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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-07-15

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00:16<debiangnome>Hello. Which IRC channel would have a lot of Germans to chat with?
00:16<twb>!de
00:16<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
00:16<debiangnome>Thanks
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00:17<twb>I'm not sure if there's a generic german language channel, like nihongo for japanese
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00:19<somiaj>freenode.net may have more social channels (including german ones) but I'm not sure where they are
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00:20<somiaj>but it looks like irc.belwue.de is a fully german irc network it might be what he wants
00:20<twb>somiaj: /msg alis help
00:20<twb>That's where I was looking (alis)
00:21<debiangnome>That would be great. Its quiet over there at debian.de
00:24<somiaj>well if you are looking for social chat over debian support you might want to try other networks/channels. The #debian.de will be a support channel and might not get the social/german language chat you want.
00:24<debiangnome>I don't speak German by the way. Just wanted to see if I could find out what the feelings are with the Germans with the latest spying developments.
00:25<debiangnome>I am not. I am new to linux, Debian I just assumed had a lot of German developers and so on
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00:26<somiaj>well you are looking for mostly offtopic chat, you could try #debian-offtopic. I think your timing is about right as the germans should be waking up soon
00:26<debiangnome>I will join over there thx
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00:27<debiangnome>...to any nsa people in case you missed it... I am going to #debian-offtopic
00:30<twb>Yeah that is a better place :-)
00:30<twb>classic XY problem
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00:50<twb>Woooo! My random guessing has borne fruit (unless my test is bad)
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00:57<debiangnome>Random guessing for what?
00:58<twb>Oh all my scrollback was eaten by the split
00:58<twb>debiangnome: I built a locked-down kernel based on 3.14bpo and it wasn't working on an H87
00:58<twb>So I tried enabling these: drm_i915_fbdev drm_i915_preliminary_hw_support
00:59<debiangnome>How did that work?
00:59<debiangnome>I mean, how did it work out?
00:59<twb>NFI
00:59<debiangnome>lol
00:59<twb>It worked in the sense of the display doesn't go black when X starts anymore
01:00<debiangnome>Good
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01:01<debiangnome>My cd rom with the old style connector (IDE I think) finally arrived. Pretty soon I will be able to run a tails live cd
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01:03<debiangnome>Are there alternatives to american made hardware? Motherboards, routers, etc?>
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01:05<jm_>none of the is made in america
01:05<debiangnome>What do you mean?
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01:08<debiangnome>I am new to Linux but as I understand it with basic hardware, you can turn it into anything, a computer, a router, a firewall etc
01:09<twb>debiangnome: hardware is mostly fabbed in ROC or PRC
01:09<debiangnome>China?
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01:10<twb>Yes.
01:10<debiangnome>Still, if China makes and owns the brand to say some motherboard, I would probably buy it as opposed to an american brand
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01:10<twb>Let's take this to #d-offtopic
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01:10<debiangnome>Ok
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01:12<somiaj>debiangnome: ther eis also #hardware or irc.freenode.net if you want to talk about hardware specifically
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01:25<sininen>hey, I've apt-get source'd a package and then I build it by executing 'debian/rules build'. then I changed something in the source files. how do I rebuild that specific part again, without rebuilding the whole project?
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01:28<jm_>try debuild -nc
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01:41<sininen>jm_: it complains something about signing, about clearsign failing and that a secret key wasn't found
01:43<jm_>sininen: that's normal if you haven't configured it for that, the package should still be built
01:43<jm_>0us can be used to skip skigning, I normally run debuild -uc -us
01:43<jm_>-us obviously
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01:54<sininen>jm_: now it's done but not changed and the date on the executable hasn't changed. the executable one in the main directory, like pkg-1.0/pkg
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01:55<coldfire>Hi, everybody
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01:56<jm_>sininen: hmm I always used full rebuilds, does it get rebuild if you call debian/rules build manually?
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02:02<twb>sininen: that's probably because debian/debhelper.log says it already did dh_auto_build
02:02<twb>(or thereabouts.)
02:03<twb>There isn't an easy, generic way to say "keep going from where you left off"
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02:04<twb>My preferred response is "just buy a great big grunty server, then rebuild from scratch each time"
02:04<twb>Which is still sucky for stuff like chromium
02:06<sininen>twb: yes! it's silly to wait half an hour after a tiny lil change. i hoped it would work like make...
02:06<twb>It's make under the hood, but it's debhelper under that and debhelper isn't geared for that
02:08<sininen>jm_: executing debian/rules depends on the page. with one it fails on chown 0:0 on a bunch of files and dirs, on other it does something and finish but then the executable doesn't change
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02:08<jm_>it would probably be eaiser to first test this outside of debian build and when you have final version do a package build
02:08<sininen>s/page/package/
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02:10<twb>yeah, just run "make" in the working tree and ignore the debian bit
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02:15<sininen>thanks, that solves it :)
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04:13<KxMP>Hi.
04:13<KxMP>I have a problem when i complie shadowsocks-libev
04:13<KxMP>It said "../libtool: line 5986: cd: yes/lib: No such file or directory
04:13<KxMP>libtool: link: cannot determine absolute directory name of `yes/lib'
04:13<KxMP>"
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04:35<twb>KxMP: what's the URL for the tarball you're using?
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04:42<KxMP>I'm using latest from git
04:42<KxMP>https://github.com/madeye/shadowsocks-libev
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04:45<KxMP>高速代理真难找
04:45<KxMP>...发错了..
04:45<twb>Sorry, I don't speak CJK
04:45<twb>I can confirm that HEAD of that repo doesn't work with a simple "autoreconf --force --install --symlink --warnings=all".
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04:46<KxMP>How can i deal with this problem....
04:46<twb>I get a lot of warnings as at v1.4.5, too, but I at least get a ./configure out of it
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04:47<twb>KxMP: complain to upstream
04:47<KxMP>Developer said he have no ploblem with that....strange...
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04:47<twb>OK, I get a ./configure file even in master. So I guess the warnings were ignorable.
04:48<KxMP>Year,it have configure file
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04:49<twb>OK it works for me. In wheezy, I installed build-essential dh-autoreconf & libssl-dev, then I did "autoreconf --force --install --symlink --warnings=all && ./configure && make" and it didn't bomb out
04:50<KxMP>Wow, let me try it.
04:50<twb>As at master, which is v1.4.5-60-gdc9f18a
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04:53<twb>The first bit just regenerates ./configure from the master files, which is something you should do if building from a git checkout
04:55<KxMP>Wow,it works. Thanks you.
04:58<twb>No problem. ./configure shouldn't be committed to the repo in the first place
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05:07<grummund>Hi, What are the options for digitally signing/verifying PDFs in debian?
05:08<grummund>(compatible with Adobe's own proprietry bloatware)
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05:32<ravi>hello
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05:35<ravi>hello
05:35<ranjha>hi
05:35<devil_>ravi: just ask
05:35<ravi>ghar 4 bje chalenge
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05:36<ranjha>we go home at 3.06pm
05:36<prem>hi all "uname -p" always returns "unknown" in my machine
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05:36<prem>wat can be the issue., how to fix it and make it show correct processor
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05:47<jm_>use uname -m?
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06:24<AndroUser>Hi
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06:25<AndroUser>I have a question. I bought a new pc (with windows) and I would like to install debian on it. Would you rather advise me a VM or a dual boot ?
06:28<jm_>perhaps start with a vm to see if you want to continue
06:30<AndroUser>Basically my problem was more with the bad points of dual boot. Like the fact that GRUB can break
06:30<jm_>that's not hard to fix with a rescue medium
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06:34<AndroUser>But does it take time ? Basically I really want my computer to be stable and soft to use
06:34<tarzanano>ciao
06:34<AndroUser>I really want your opinion about dual boot
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06:35<jm_>I would recommend VM test first if you don't know what to do
06:35<AndroUser>Ok, thanks.
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07:01<luna>anyone in here?
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07:03<mpourhadi>anybody knows how can i install tomahawk player? im getting error from cmake
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07:04<mpourhadi>i go by this page http://wiki.tomahawk-player.org/index.php/Building_Debian_package
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07:13<mpourhadi>CMake Error at CMakeModules/MacroLogFeature.cmake:152
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07:30<ThCTLo> current point release: /msg dpkg 7.6 ... not 7.5 ;-)
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07:42<xmb>whats the command to make a kernel.deb outta the tree
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07:52<valdyn>xmb: make deb-pkg I think, see "make help"
07:53<babilen>dpkg: tell xmb about kernel handbook
07:53<babilen>xmb: See "Common Tasks"
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08:10<mpourhadi>how can i install tomawhak player?
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08:18<gnugr>mpourhadi: there's an unofficial way for jessie/sid, check it there https://github.com/norrs/tomahawk-debian-build
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08:26<xmb>oic thx babilen
08:27<mpourhadi>i dont wanna ruin my stabality i did it once for gnome-boxes application and i regret it
08:27<xmb>sorry u dunno
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08:35<Q_PRS>Seems tomahawk support is still in the making. Cool program though
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08:52<me_>recently, i want to install debian-edu, so i download the cd iso. but while installing the system, the process exits for not network links (i am sure the internet is ok). And now the www.skolelinux.org is dead, i can not download the usb iso, so i wander whether it is easy to install the system from debian. if it is easy, then how? thanks
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08:55<mpourhadi>can somebody help me out here http://paste.debian.net/109845/
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08:57<gnugr>me_: for debian-edu is important to be aware for its partitions, if not let the installer to do that with auto-way
08:57<gnugr>me_: you better join #debian-edu for more infos
08:58<me_>thanks gnugr
08:58<me_>i have join #debian-edu
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09:01<me_>l prefer the auto-way, but the cd iso doesn't work now, so i have to set it up all by myself. i need more information
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10:36<link5511>any one on
10:37<Maulkin>About 657 people.
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10:38<link5511>where does irc store (if any) log data of conversation. can ftk find IRC log data and how
10:39<Maulkin>link5511: http://xchat.org/faq/#q222
10:39<Maulkin>link5511: Ubuntu may have changed that though, so you may want to ask them.
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10:43<link5511>thanks i appreciate it. im trying to scan a live computer with Forensic Tool Kit
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11:35<debianer_>I need a bash-script which checks, whether a new release is out? Any ideas?
11:36<debianer_>I know there is a watch-script in debhelper. I´ve already downloaded the sources of debhelper, but I can´t find such a script.
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11:37<dark-jedi>debianer_: Do you want the script to upgrade your system when it finds new releases?
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11:40<debianer_>dark-jedi: no.
11:40<debianer_>Or is there any dokumentation how those script works?
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11:49<Daymon>debian 7.1, gnome 3, how i can install flash player?
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11:49<igmp>Daymon: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
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11:51<retrospectacus>debianer_: new release of what?
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11:52<Daymon>it's installed. But some objects unactive, and message "install flash player"
11:52<mtn>Daymon: which browser?
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11:55<Daymon>chromium
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11:55<alexander>have you considered pepperflashplayer instead?
11:55<mtn>Daymon: you will need pepperflash-plugin
11:56<debianer_>retrospectacus: e.g. when a tool has a new release
11:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 671] by debhelper
11:57<somiaj>Daymon: chromium (and chrome) have removed the old netscape plugin api and now only use the pepper plugin api. Debian provides a pepperflash nonfree script in contrib to get flash for chromium. But most plugins (including java) will not work on a modern chormium.
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12:01<retrospectacus>debianer_: which tool
12:02<debianer_>retrospectacus: it should be universal. you give the script the url to the source package and get notified if there is any new release
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12:03<flambait>debianer_: a package or also unpackaged tools?
12:04<retrospectacus>maybe a git url, or if the availability is visible in "apt-cache policy packagename", but in general, no way
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12:05<flambait>yes i was saying the same, if it's possible you can compare the two versions in the apt-cache policy output
12:05<somiaj>debianer_: are you doing source installs, in debian stable everything is frozen. But there are vairious tools that can check if there is new packages available for you to upgrade. Some will upgrade automatically others will give you a notification that upgrades are available in your sources.
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12:05<debianer_>flambait: what doyou mean with unpackaged tools? the sources of a tool are normally in a archive
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12:09<debianer_>somiaj: yes, i want compile from source, because there is no package manager available on this server i use (no root access) Thereforce i want compile the source with toast, which is a packageless packagemanager ( http://www.toastball.net/toast/ ) , but i need to know when a new release is there
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12:12<flambait>debianer_: i meant if you need to know whether there is a new version of a package in the official debian repos or a release in that specific official project channels
12:12<somiaj>debianer_: this really isn't a debian support question. Since you are compiling from source debian tools won't know anything about this package or if there is an update. As for a script it would depend on the upstream source. Maybe see if they have a newsfeed/mailing list or some other query tool you can compare versions.
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12:12<retrospectacus>maybe "toast" can determine that
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12:12<somiaj>but I would look for support/etc at the actual upstream source you are compiling and want notification of when a new release is released. Most open source projects have a mailing list and give annoucments of new releases.
12:13<somiaj>well many
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12:13<debianer_>flambait: i want to know, if there is a new release in that specific official project channels
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12:14<flambait>oh ok... so as others said you should consider their mailing list or rss feed or other
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12:15<retrospectacus>in general, there is no way. You could write a script to determine this for a certain software (for now, until they update their website or so)
12:15<debianer_>somiaj: as i said befor there is a watch-script in the debhelper package; example: https://packages.qa.debian.org/m/midori.html - A new upstream version is available: 0.5.2, you should consider packaging it.
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12:17<debianer_>i hoped icould use that watch-script or the logic behind them
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12:18<debianer_>but i will look for a rss feed or a mailinglist or something
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12:22<somiaj>debianer_: http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=qa/distro-tracker.git -- appears to be the source for the tracker page you linked, maybe you can find the script in there. I'm not that familar with it
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13:44<Luc_>Hi !:
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13:56<lootah>Hi there, I am looking for a drawing program that can save into 24 bit BMP. Does anyone know of a good one?
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13:58<jmcnaught>lootah: Krtia maybe?
13:58<lootah>I will check it out now! Thanks. :)
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14:00<serpardum>I am not sure if I want to ask here or in #debian. I'm asking here second. I want to record and/or broadcast a java window (minecraft) in Wheezy. recordmydesktop works, but reduces me from 7fps to 0-1 fps. Is there any better recomentation for someone with a very low end pc (but memory and hd are fine)
14:01<serpardum>*recomendation
14:02<serpardum>I wonder if I can hack google spellcheck into konversation somehow.
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14:03<planetmaker>lootah, gimp?
14:04<jmcnaught>serpardum: there's also istanbul but i don't know if it would work any better for you, maybe worth a try though
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14:04<lootah>I used gimp in the past but could not get my head around the interface.
14:04<serpardum>lootah, normally for any linux graphics question is gimp.
14:04<serpardum>gimp is it for linux.
14:04<serpardum>I use it for windows too
14:04<jmcnaught>Krita is pretty good for drawing, maybe not for editing photos though
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14:05<lootah>Yeah I just want something to draw with
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14:05<serpardum>jmcnaught: I'll try instanbul.
14:05<serpardum>Just to draw? yeah, gimp is much more than that.
14:05<lootah>I'm just having a bit of a play with Krita.
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14:05<lootah>It seems to fillfull my needs so far
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14:06<serpardum>I'll have to remember to try Kritia
14:06<jmcnaught>serpardum: i don't really record my desktop ever, but if either of those programs has an option to record just a portion of the screen it might help
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14:06<serpardum>I am recording just the window area with recordmydesktop
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14:08<jmcnaught>serpardum: https://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Tips_and_Tricks#Turn_on_Auto_Spell_Check :)
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14:14<rf>someone wanna talk whit me?pm
14:15<Brigo>!tell rf about offtopic
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14:28<tinytim>It is time for conservative Republicans to stop being retards about abortion. Niggers get abortions at a rate that is many times over their share of the population. It is in our interest to not only tolerate abortion but to even promote taxpayer funded abortion on demand! Prolife = Niggerlover Stop please! http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?348710-73-of-Mississippi-abortions-are-of-useless-niglet-sprogs
14:29<planetmaker>!ops
14:29<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
14:29<jmcnaught>!ops tinytim racist spam
14:29<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: tinytim racist spam
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15:08<israel>sdough: here?
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15:10<hussein>hi
15:10<hussein>any body here
15:11<mtn>nope
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15:11<planetmaker>664 people are not here
15:11<towo`>all bots
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15:12<israel>anybody indeed
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15:19<israel>hussein hi
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15:26<oem>oiv bhcghngv
15:26<oem> njkbhkbh
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15:28<Poppins>Hi guys
15:28<Poppins>I need to know something
15:28<Poppins>I'm using MySQL Workbench and I want to know how I can update columns
15:28<Poppins>through the Workbench
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15:29<vrishab>Hi ... not sure if this is this a good place for assembly code .. but here is a quick question ..
15:29<vrishab> 0x00007f5797777155 <+117>: test %rdx,%rdx
15:29<vrishab> 0x00007f5797777158 <+120>: je 0x7f579777715f
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15:30<vrishab>I don't understand the above 64-bit assembly code .
15:30<vrishab>test followed by je ... doesn't make sense to me .. ?
15:30<mtn>vrishab: I don't either :P
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15:31<valdyn>vrishab: is je not jump on equal?
15:32<vrishab>yes ... but test command with same args doesn't make sense .. they will always be equal .. so ?
15:32<valdyn>vrishab: so it always jumps
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15:33<vrishab>I see a bunch of these format in ( test followed by je ) .. not sure why we need them ... a jmp would suffice ... maybe to clear flags
15:33<valdyn>vrishab: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEST_%28x86_instruction%29
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15:35<vrishab>valdyn, ... great thanks .... never expected JE to mean ZF == 1 !!
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16:13<zartoosh>hi I am trying to download a binary debian package (not install) and all it dependencies to a particular directory is this possible? thx
16:13<mholiv>I am having a problem setting up a Sierra Wireless Air Prime MC7750 card. I can’t get any utilities or tools to reconize it. I am not sure if it’s a driver issue. More info here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=115999 Help is much appreciated.
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16:18<valdyn>mholiv: did you load the driver manually?
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16:26<mholiv>no. How do I do that?
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16:29<valdyn>mholiv: just asking, you dont need to do that
16:29<valdyn>mholiv: which software is not working?
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16:32<mholiv>You’re not going to believe this but it just started working. wvdialconf just found it. -_-
16:33<valdyn>yes it should be working fine already
16:33<valdyn>just no network link before you dial the right code
16:34<mholiv>Now I just need to find the verizon lte settings.. :P
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16:34<valdyn>i think modemmenager ships with a big database of provider settings
16:34<valdyn>i dont know about wvdial
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16:35<mholiv>Can you use modemmenager from the cli? I am on a headless box.
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16:36<valdyn>mholiv: since its a dbus service you can, but its probably not nice to use at all
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16:37<mholiv>ohh god no. I think I might just use modemmenager’s database and plug that into wvdial
16:37<valdyn>mholiv: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4urP-GlSwg <- that might be nicer
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16:37<mholiv>perfect.
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16:40<mholiv>THank you very much.
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16:43<lootah>Rightio, I installed the gimp and I can't even get it to draw, any ideas?
16:43<valdyn>lootah: rtfm?
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16:44<lootah>rtfm?
16:44<valdyn>!rtfm
16:44<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.]
16:44<centrx>lootah, He means the program may be working fine, but it is less intuitive than say Adobe Photoshop
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16:44<valdyn>painting is really not intuitive on either
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16:45<lootah>Oh I don't doubt that I have have been reading the manual. It still dont work.
16:45<centrx>lootah, Try Ctrl-B or Tools -> New Toolbox to get the window with all the tools like pencils and buckets
16:45<centrx>lootah, What doesn't work?
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16:45<lootah>When I click on a pensil and a colour and try to draw nothing happens
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16:46<valdyn>lootah: no canvas -> gimp wont draw
16:47<lootah>I created a canvas
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16:50<lootah>Still wont work though
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16:51<centrx>lootah, Try #gimp on Freenode
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16:54<chrishell>hello out there, my wlan whimps after a new installation of my system (thinkpad x60s, i386, sid, 3.14-1-686-pae)
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16:54<chrishell>does anybody has an idea what cause this whimping?
16:55<oldlaptop>whimps?
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16:56<jmcnaught>chrishell: you should head to #debian-next for unstable support
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16:57<jmcnaught>chrishell: or use Debian Stable if you don't like surprises like this :)
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16:58<mholiv>valdyn: Hmm it appears that I am getting a no carrier error now. Oi. Better than before though!
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17:15<netwalker>hi all
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17:19<retrospectacus>hi netwalker
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17:23<q>hi
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17:23<Guest2902>can someone help me with wine
17:23<Guest2902>please ty
17:24<centrx>!ask
17:24<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:24<Guest2902>but it confudes me when i talk inhere
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17:24<abrotman>Would you prefer a web-based forum?
17:24<Guest2902>it confuses me when i talk
17:25<Guest2902>in here
17:25<Guest2902>all i wantis help with wine
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17:25<Guest2902>anyone know wine
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17:27<retrospectacus>Guest2902: lots of people here do. They are waiting for you to ask a question.
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17:27<centrx>We are all on the edge of our seats.
17:27<Guest2902>how do set it up
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17:28<centrx>apt-get install wine
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17:28<grove>Guest2902: You'll probably have to be more specific (it's been years since I cared about wine, so I don't know what tools might exist today)
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17:29<retrospectacus>what centrx said. Then run "winecfg"
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17:29<Guest2902>i downloaded ir the P P A command it gave me wine bit i dont know how to make make a game work do i need to download other software to make wine work like for example the nintendo 64 emulator
17:30<valdyn>!ubuntu
17:30<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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17:30<retrospectacus>you want to run a windows emulator so you can use a N64 emulator???
17:30<Guest2902>yes ubuntu
17:30<retrospectacus>why not just install a linux n64 emulator
17:30<retrospectacus>we don't support ubuntu
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17:31<abrotman>Guest2902: Which OS are you running?
17:31<Guest2902>i not asking that do i need extra software for wine like you do for nin 64 emulator
17:32<Guest2902>ubumtu
17:32<abrotman>Guest2902: please use #ubuntu on irc.freenode.net for support,, we do not support ubuntu here
17:32<retrospectacus>!ubuntu-irc Guest2902
17:32<dpkg>Guest2902: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
17:33<Guest2902>i tryed reading it
17:33<Guest2902>ok thank you by by all
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17:38<netwalker>I'm trying to fit a debian wheezy install on a 2gb sd card, such that it can be useful in a laptop. Any tips on keeping the OS small? I only have 30MB free right now
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17:40<Brigo>netwalker, do not use gnome not kde
17:40<flambait>netwalker: i'd say to cut on the desktop environment
17:41<flambait>yep
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17:43<netwalker>I started fresh from a netinstall and installed awesome wm, terminator and some cli programs.
17:43<netwalker>fun fact: this laptop's touchpad is broken so I must work mouseless
17:43<netwalker>--- sent from weechat ---
17:44<blast007>the laptop doesn't have a USB port to plug in a mouse? ;)
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17:45<netwalker>yeah, that was just an excuse. I like it mouseless
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18:07<netwalker>anyone else working with cli only?
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18:10<flambait>netwalker: what kind of work?
18:10<netwalker>everything, desktop usage
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18:10<alumno>holaa
18:11<netwalker>buenas
18:11<alumno>td bien
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18:11<flambait>netwalker: mostly
18:11<alumno>eeh
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18:13<netwalker>do you go gui for anything in particular, flambait?
18:14<flambait>netwalker: i think that's offtopic here anyways
18:15<alumno>Non parlo parlano italiano spagnolo
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18:16<alumno>Ciao
18:17<netwalker>flambait: so you guys don't talk about anything that's not troubleshooting something?
18:17<netwalker>aloha alumno
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18:18<flambait>netwalker: it's few time i'm here, but... yes, this seems the habit. for offtopic chat there is #debian-offtopic
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19:45<drylelite>anyone can recommend any good read on networking and/or security for linux/debian?
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19:47<koollman>drylelite: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/NET3-4-HOWTO.html
19:47<drylelite>1999 ?
19:47<drylelite>:P
19:47<koollman>err ... wrong version
19:48<koollman>I'm sure there is a more recent one
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19:50<koollman>drylelite: http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/
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19:51<koollman>although ip, and networking in general, didn't change that much since 1999 :)
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19:52<koollman>more packets per second, and more widely available bandwidth. that's about it
19:52<DarkUranium>and even more insane web part of the internet
19:52<koollman>(the linux network stack did change a lot, though)
19:52<DarkUranium>I think the W3C might have an internal contest on who can come up with the most batshit-insane idea ever
19:53<koollman>DarkUranium: right. but that's beyond the technical overview :)
19:53<drylelite>(:
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19:53<koollman>DarkUranium: easy. ask for a rfc on 4chan.
19:53<DarkUranium>(it's the only explaination I can think of)
19:53<DarkUranium>koollman: huh O_o
19:54<koollman>a simple way to win the 'most batshit-insane idea' contest. no matter what the contest subject is :)
19:54<DarkUranium>koollman: lol
19:54<DarkUranium>koollman: and post results on the IETF RFC? :P
19:55<koollman>it would make a great 1st april rfc. 'prepared for ietf by 4chan'
19:56<koollman>(damn ... now I have 'real' ideas following that one)
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19:56<koollman>anyway, back to the previous point ...
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19:57<koollman>drylelite: concerning network and protocols, you should remember that most things are 'old'. so most descriptions of protocols (but not hardware or software) are still valid today
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19:57<drylelite>okay :)
19:58<drylelite>id just like to learn shitloads of stuff and hopefully in the future be a kickass sysadmin =)
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20:00<koollman>to give some perspective, ipv6 rfc were published in 1996
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20:03<koollman>drylelite: http://serverfault.com/questions/9766/what-a-beginner-should-know-learn-for-sysadmin-job here's a decent starting point
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20:05<koollman>drylelite: and something I do not see in that list : knowing a lot about all things is less useful than being able to learn quickly about a specific thing, which is what you need to solve new problems. (but more global knowledge help and will come with experience)
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20:06<drylelite>:)
20:06<drylelite>thankyuz :)
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20:23<grummund>Hi, i'm having trouble with exim not using smarthost specified in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf
20:24<grummund>i ran update-exim4.conf; /etc/init.d/exim4 stop; /etc/init.d/exim4 start
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20:24<grummund>but the smarthost is not being used
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20:43<qwk_>Hey guys
20:43<qwk_>is there any cmd to list all installed program from apt-get
20:44<qwk_>I have tried googling for like 1 h without any results
20:44<qwk_>reading apt-get cheats etc
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20:46<oxez>qwk_: I think dpkg-query -l lists all installed packages, not just ones installed through apt-get
20:46<sney>aptitude search ~i will also show them
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20:56<grummund>Exim is using transport T=remote_smtp instead of T=remote_smtp_smarthost even though /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf contains dc_smarthost='mx2.example.com'
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21:03<anarcat>hi
21:03<anarcat>i'm having trouble making graphic acceleration work
21:03<anarcat>glxgears starts, but gives a black window
21:03<anarcat>celestia just hangs there, so do newer versions of chrome with hardware acceleration enabled
21:05<sney>what gpu
21:05<abrotman>and what OS?
21:05<anarcat>intel, hold on
21:05<anarcat>debian jessie
21:06<anarcat>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
21:06<sney>#debian-next for testing support as the topic says
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21:06<anarcat>oops, sorry
21:07<abrotman>That should just work
21:07<anarcat>yeah, i know
21:07<qwk_>oxez, sney thanks, i will try that
21:07<abrotman>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07)
21:07<anarcat>damn
21:07<abrotman>mine works just fine
21:08<anarcat>i even went back to Gnome legacy (or whatever that thing is called) to see if it was awesome playing tricks
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21:13<hasan1994>Is there a way to edit all shortcuts ?
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21:17<qwk_>oxez, sney I just get this: http://puu.sh/adcBd/b5b61b40cd.png
21:17<qwk_>I know I have alot more of stuff installed, like mysql etc etc
21:17<sney>that's just the end of the list. it's a long list. add |less onto the end
21:17<sney>that's a | character, usually located near the enter key
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21:18<qwk_>aptitude search ~i |less <- will do the trick?
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21:19<oxez>qwk_: you can also try dpkg-query -l > installed_packages, it will output in that file instead, it's easier to navigate
21:20<qwk_>ah, its debian 6, ssh only
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21:23<Guest2915>Problem to install adobe-flash, sorrow
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21:31<guilherme>Hi, I after the last update on the Debian Jessie the buttons for suspend and hibernate are missing on kde. How can I get them back?
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21:33<guilherme>Sorry, Debian Sid
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21:36<centrx>guilherme, Must be something with KDE. If people here at this time are not familiar with it, I would check bugs.debian.org/<appropriate kde package name> or find a KDE channel maybe #kde on Freenode
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21:39<guilherme>ok, thanks a lot
21:40<centrx>guilherme, Also daytime America/Europe is more active, both here and #debian on Freenode
21:40<centrx>and #kde on Freenode for that matter too, etc.
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21:43<guilherme>upower was updated, however nothing from kde was, maybe it is a confict. What do you think?
21:45<centrx>guilherme, There could be a library that doesn't look KDE but is depended on by KDE
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21:45<centrx>guilherme, I may be biased by the fact you said "_the buttons_ for suspend and hibernate", buttons usually handled totally by the environment
21:46<centrx>Although maybe it hides buttons if the functionality is not available, in which case it would be something underlying
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21:46<guilherme>ok, ok, thanks. I will wait a couple of days and wait for some updates in case of conflicts like that
21:47<guilherme>Thnx a lot, sorry for bothring
21:47<centrx>I just don't know myself :)
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21:47<guilherme>ok, no problem. Thanks a lot! really! See you :)
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21:59<pppaul>hey i have a problem with wheezy. i want to print over usb but my system dont create a /dev/usb/ device... anyone an idea? is this the right channel for this question?
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22:04<abrotman>what's in 'dmesg' when you plugin the printer?
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22:12<pppaul>sorry for the delay... :
22:12<pppaul>[ 1228.856547] usbcore: registered new interface driver usblp
22:12<pppaul>with dmesg | grep 'usblp'
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22:14<pppaul>i think the printer kind of works ... but there is no dev/usb :
22:14<pppaul>pi@raspberrypi:~$ sudo ls -al /dev/usb/
22:14<pppaul>ls: cannot access /dev/usb/: Not a directory
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22:16<pppaul>also tried to create it manually :
22:16<pppaul> mknod /dev/usb/lp0 c 180 0 but get the same error message
22:16<sney>is that raspbian?
22:16<pppaul>yes it is
22:16<sney>raspbian support is in #raspbian on irc.freenode.net, not here
22:17<pppaul>oh sorry thanks anyways
22:17<sney>they are very similar but many things are different... including how it behaves with device support
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23:31<rjsalts>What's a good alternative to diald that's actively maintained/in debian?
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23:36<centrx>rjsalts, apt-cache search dialer, apt-cache search ppp ?
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23:39<rjsalts>not specifically looking for ppp. looking to kick off vpnc, just want the detect traffic to these routes and bring up this interface
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23:40<centrx>portmap?
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23:42<one>How to input only integer?? in python
23:42<one>How to input only integer?? in python
23:43<one>How to input only integer?? in python
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23:44<jmcnaught>one: there's a #python on chat.freenode.net
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23:45<one>i went to it but no answer for i cant write question
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23:46<centrx>Well spamming an unrelated channel won't get you a better result
23:46<centrx>one, Try during the daytime for America/Europe, on #python
23:47<jmcnaught>one: well repeating the same question three times in a row is pretty annoying. Maybe you should look for a Python beginner course. http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ maybe
23:47<centrx>one, Also, see if you can clarify what you mean by your question. I can't fathom it
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