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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-07-17

---Logopened Thu Jul 17 00:00:08 2014
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00:01<sney>well again if you give some specific details. i7 doesn't tell me much and neither does "new"
00:01<sney>gotta run but someoen else may be around
00:01<newbie>I think hardware too complicated and may be spyware kind of stuff they put into processor, they claim it is anti theft to identify location..
00:01<newbie>it is dee latitude 6540 laptop
00:01<newbie>dell
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00:37<onitaL>sney, thanks
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02:06<qwk>Hi, guys I got some trouble when Im trying to install mysql_install_db and running the script /usr/bin/mysql_secure_installation
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02:09<qwk>then I get this
02:09<qwk>https://ghostbin.com/paste/bwory
02:09<qwk>and I cant login with the root password
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02:11<qwk>https://ghostbin.com/paste/h3u9p
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04:11<olasd>qwk: the password that gets asked is the MySQL root password, not the root password of the system
04:11<olasd>(it gets asked when you install the mysql server)
04:11<babilen_>dpkg: tell qwk -about ifmrp
04:12<babilen_>(in case you forgot it)
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04:55<qwk>babilen,
04:55<qwk>mysql -u root
04:55<qwk>ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)
04:55<qwk>what could be wrong?
04:57<jm_>$ errno 2
04:57<jm_>ENOENT 2 No such file or directory
04:58<babilen>It might not be running
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05:06<qwk>I followed this instructions: https://ghostbin.com/paste/4rgxe
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05:10<qwk>https://ghostbin.com/paste/ov7av
05:10<qwk>any idea?
05:10<qwk>Debian 6
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05:12<weasel>seems like you don't have a /var/lib/mysql/
05:13<qwk>weasel, thats correct
05:13<qwk>wtf, could happend to it?
05:13<weasel>somebody deleted it or it broke.
05:13<weasel>if you need it, get it from a backup.
05:13<jm_>you are asking us? it's your system, isn't it?
05:13<weasel>(or find it, if somebody moved it)
05:14<qwk>lol
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07:07<hasan1994>Detected libav. mkdir: cannot create directory `build': Permission denied
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07:10<hasan1994>ran as sudo but it says don't run this script as root this will mess up file permissions
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07:30<vrishab>Hi .. I could not find the "package-dbg" for a package .. is it not mandatory for all package to provide debug symbols ?
07:30<zumbi_>no, not mandatory
07:31<vrishab>I'm in gdb .. and I don't have the function signature ... any clues on how to proceed .. should I download the source and recompile ?
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07:35<lumiette>Hello everyone :)
07:36<lumiette>Mind if I ask you guys some questions?
07:36<jm_>what kind of questions?
07:36<planetmaker>we don't mind questions concerning debian and related stuff. Others we might mind
07:37<lumiette>Well, the thing is, I'm trying to get antiX working on a netbook and I'm running into a few relatively minor but annoying problems
07:37<jm_>!antix
07:37<dpkg>antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
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07:39<lumiette>Ah? Aw. Any idea where I could go instead? (Although it says it's based on Debian Testing)
07:40<planetmaker>read carefully what dpkg suggested
07:41<lumiette>Oh, derp! Sorry! XD Aaaand thank you ^-^
07:41<lumiette>I'll check there, then. Have a lovely day!
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08:17<athrt>in the ad wheezy reposetor section (from external repo) i found this instruction... apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-keys F5CFC95C , is their a way to wget the file instead?
08:18<prem>hi all
08:18<prem>does debian switches to xfce as the default desktop in jessie?
08:18<prem>is ti true?
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08:20<athrt>prem,, if i rememeber correctly the debate about that will start somewhere august... someone correct me if im wrong...
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08:27<petn-randall>athrt: There are probably a dozen more ways to do it, yes.
08:27<harlock>Can I use debian without tor on what desktop security in this regard?
08:27<petn-randall>prem: There is no default, you get to pick which one upon installation.
08:29<harlock>as a law-abiding citizen
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08:30<petn-randall>I don't understand why people fret about the "default" DE. It's as if you're at a car salesman, you found a car you like, and although he says you can order it with whatever colour you like, you fret over the colour of the car on display.
08:30<petn-randall>harlock: Tor is not illegal.
08:31<petn-randall>harlock: You might run into problems if you run an exit node, but you have to explicitely activate that.
08:31<athrt>well, one will suvice... the idea is that i don't what to redownload key everytime .. but downlaod once and use same till it expires...
08:32<athrt>oh, and i like to do it form bash script
08:32<jm_>athrt: you can use apt-key export/add then
08:32<jm_>or using gpg commands on its keystore
08:33<jm_>or keyring or whatver the term i s
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08:34<harlock>and without torus can I surf the Internet from Linux )
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08:34<athrt>so that means first install to keyring and then extract... i guess that would be oke, but if i could download it first, that whould be prefferd...
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08:35<jm_>yeah
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08:35<harlock>?
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08:50<grove>harlock: Yes, you can surf the net from linux without tor, that's the default in most distributions - including debian (which is what this channel is about)
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08:52<harlock>thank you
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09:48<redShadow>hi guys! I'm looking for suggestions on what to use for setting up a local debian repo
09:49<redShadow>I need to create a repository for packages generated internally, so it would be only accessible from LAN and containing a few packages
09:49<redShadow>(I don't need to create a mirror of the official repositories)
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09:50<redShadow>reading https://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository seems like debarchiver would be a good choice.. is it?
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09:53<grove>redShadow: We use reprepro at work, but I'm currently looking into replacing that with aptly (not in debian yet)
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10:14<athrt>i found script online wich i like to use, but it has the ubunto sudo, usualy i would just delete all sudo and run script as root.. but this script need te be run as local user and only elevate in halfway last line... replacing sudo with su or with fakeroot will give error. anyone know other way to get elevation on debian wheezy?
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10:14<weasel>why not use .. sudo?
10:15<athrt>gives error
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10:16<jckf_>.. what error?
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10:16<weasel>jckf_: an error. clearly there's nothing that anybody can do about an *error*.
10:17<jckf_>Silly me
10:17<athrt>something about not being in sudo file... and a thought their might be a good reason why i wasn't in their so i just ask what would be the alternative way...
10:17<jckf_>If you have access to the root account, just add yourself to sudoers then
10:18<jckf_>Or the sudoers group
10:18<circ-user-ClTQl>hello!
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10:20<athrt>oke, but just for learning, is their a specifiek reason whay during clean desktop install the main user is not added to that groep?
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10:21<athrt>what is better adding my self to sudoer or sudo group, i don't understand the diffrance jet...
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10:21<valdyn>athrt: doesnt matter
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10:22<jckf_>I usually add myself to the file, because I like the nopasswd property <:
10:22<jckf_>(read: because I'm lazy)
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10:27<musca>well, ubuntu has a ptrace protection for its sudoers. Should i care about this feature on debian systems?
10:28<valdyn>musca: we dont know
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10:31<athrt>maybe i could rephrase musca's question, is adding yourself as sudoer save? will it not compremiss or lower security/safty of system?
10:31<valdyn>it opens another attack vector, that is obvious, no?
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10:36<grove>I think most people believe that giving yourself rights to sudo is safer than logging in as root whenever you need to do stuff, it generally leads to less commands being executed as root
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10:38<grove>but as valdyn says it's another attack vector
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10:38<valdyn>su -c is just one more key to type, not more commands
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10:42<athrt>when i us su -c or just su from bash script i get following error: su: must be run from a terminal.... i have started the script from the terminal...
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10:48<athrt>is their a way to use su -c from script?
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10:59<somiaj>athrt: use sudo and set it for NOPASSWD
10:59<somiaj>athrt: but maybe we have an xy problem here, what you are needing to run a script as another user for?
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11:01<athrt>im not sure what s xy problem is but want to extrect key form my keyring (not root keyring) and write it to disk where i need root writepremission for
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11:03<somiaj>athrt: it means the question youare asking is not really the question you want solved.
11:04<athrt>ah jes, not that where i got stuck trying to solve it my self...
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11:04<somiaj>but anyways you should set the permissions correctly where you want to write the file, that seems better than setting up a nopasswd esicalation script
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11:05<athrt>the code sofar looks like gpg --export packages@opscode.com | su -c tee /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/opscode-keyring.gpg > /dev/null but gives an error...
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11:06<mestia>if I want to extend snmpd, which OID subtree should I use, is there anything like private ip networks ?
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11:07<athrt>somiaj, what did you mean with set the premission correctly?
11:08<somiaj>well in this case you might not want to change the file permissions on /etc/apt, still seems like you have come up with a strange solution why you need to get keys this way from a script
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11:16<athrt>well, actualy i don't no... just google for solution and came up with this, trying to make it work... so my orignial quest starts with when using apt-key... if is do: apt-key adv --keyserver $keyserver --recv-keys $keyhash16 it will add the key to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg but intead i like it organized as pererat file in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
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11:35<k>hey sney
11:35<valdyn>athrt: the whole command needs to be in ""
11:35<musca>athrt: i think you can specify an alternative keyring under the/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ hierarchy with the option --keyring filename
11:35<valdyn>athrt: youre just executing t as user " /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/opscode-keyring.gpg", which fails, duh
11:36<valdyn>athrt: t meant tee
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11:37<somiaj>I'd also think about filing a wishlist bug, seems apt-key should be able to have a flag to create a paticular file and not use the master file if wanted. As this is really a crude workaround for a feature that should be added to apt-key
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11:38<somiaj>maybe there is one filed.
11:40<dutchfish>somiaj, are you sure, you want that?
11:40<somiaj>nope, I see a wishlist bug for apt-key add to be able to add directly and not have to run gpg with it.
11:41<dutchfish>somiaj, think automated build envirenments and what could go wrong
11:41<somiaj>dutchfish: I don't see why additional functionality would be a bad thing, something like --save foo.gpg and it would make it an indviduial file
11:41<dutchfish>somiaj, as long as the old behavior is the default, sure
11:42<somiaj>dutchfish: well it shouldn't effect the ussage of that as it would be an additional option. apt-key already reads the files in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ when looking for keys and deleing them
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11:42<dutchfish>somiaj, true
11:42<somiaj>but when adding them it only adds to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg and I think it would be a reasonable wishlist if more than athrt want to be able to control splitting their key files up and not need some crazy workaround script.
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11:43<dutchfish>somiaj, i like the idea, np. I am just worried some evil build slips in with local trusted keys
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11:43<dutchfish>somiaj, but i too, have found it a arcane way as it is
11:43<somiaj>dutchfish: well packages can already create/put files in that directory.
11:44<somiaj>even offical debian packages already do that, just seems the functionlity isn't in apt-key directly.
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11:44<dutchfish>somiaj, ~okish
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11:45<somiaj>actually there is a --keyring filename option to tell apt-key to act on another file
11:46<somiaj>athrt: try this apt-key adv --keyserver foo --recv-keys bar --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/foo.gpg
11:46<musca>i said that 10 minutes ago
11:47<somiaj>ahh missed that. :/
11:47<dutchfish>somiaj, musca ty
11:49<dutchfish>musca, works great, thanks again
11:50<musca>yw
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11:51<athrt>i tried this: apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 83EF826A --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/foo.gpg and got this error: "--keyring" not a key ID: skipping
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11:52<musca>everything after adv seems to be passed to gpg
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11:56<athrt>i have been reading the manual again.. im not sure but im interperating it as that the filename points to a predownloaded file you wich to install instead of wich file you want to create.... does that make sence?
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11:58<musca>the synopsis of apt-key suggests: apt-key [--keyring filename] adv <your-gpg-options-go-here>
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12:03<qwk>anyone who can recommend a "program/tool" that keeps logs from ip addresses and pakets etc?
12:03<qwk>I cant find a word for it
12:03<athrt>ok, so i have to turn it around... into apt-key --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/foo.gpg adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-keys 83EF826A .. seems working but get the following error...The specified keyring »/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/foo.gpg« is missing or not readable (while i run this script as root)
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12:05<dutchfish>qwk, if it is just temporary for debugging use tcpdump with a filter to your likings
12:06<dutchfish>qwk, something like tcpdump -i eth0 -w traffic.eth0 (catches all trafic, but you prolly wont need that)
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12:09<retrospectacus>qwk: munin ? http://munin-monitoring.org/
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12:13<qwk>ah thanks guys i will check them out
12:13<qwk>Im also thinking about fail2ban
12:13<qwk>if it can do the work
12:13<qwk>with some mods
12:13<dutchfish>qwk, iptables can also log on new connections on any port
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12:14<dutchfish>qwk, something like iptables -I INPUT -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -m state --state NEW -j LOG --log-level 1 --log-prefix "New Connection "
12:14<athrt>oke, if i understand correctly,, filename must point to an existing file and not a directory where it can create new file... , right? than i can't use apt-key to copy/import keys to the/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d?
12:17<dutchfish>qwk, the nice part of iptables logging is that all the /var/log compression is already into place
12:18<dutchfish>qwk, and the outcome you could feed into actual blocking rules above a certain treshold
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12:18<dutchfish>qwk, have fun
12:18<qwk>dutchfish, will it show like if udp flood or sysflod etc etc?
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12:18<qwk>it if*
12:18<dutchfish>qwk, should be possible as well
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12:18<dutchfish>qwk, synflooding is already standard protection into debian
12:19<dutchfish>qwk, like net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_tcp_timeout_syn_recv=40 see /etc/sysctl.conf
12:20<dutchfish>qwk, no need to log that accept for *new* connectins once
12:20<dutchfish>qwk, too much logging can make your box ddos'ed
12:20<dutchfish>qwk, have fun
12:21<qwk>ah, thanks for the info
12:21<dutchfish>yw
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12:24<dutchfish>qwk, if you decide for fail2ban (which works reasenable for small setups because its slooooow), test it out first carefully
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12:25<qwk>hehe
12:25<qwk>I see
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12:33<Osmann>ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!
12:33<Osmann>I did the obligatory prayers five times a day to the nation. And I promised myself that, who (beside me) taking care not to make the five daily prayers comes ahead of time, I'll put it to heaven. Who says prayer does not show attention to me I do not have a word for it.! Prophet Muhammad (s.a.v.)
12:33<Osmann>hell if you did until the needle tip could not remove your head from prostration Prophet Muhammad pbuh
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13:25<wushin>well thats sweet.
13:26<wushin>heya
13:26<wushin>having problems finding /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_m68k.h
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13:27<wushin>apt-file search /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/ | grep qatomic doesn't show it on my wheezy (stable)
13:28<blast007>doesn't seem to exist in wheezy
13:28<musca>,file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_m68k.h --release jessie
13:28<judd>Search for /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_m68k.h in jessie/i386: libqt4-dev: usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qatomic_m68k.h
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13:29<wushin>Any idea when the nvidia 304.117 3.14-1 issue will be patched? (I saw bugs reported)
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13:31<somiaj>wushin: you should ask in #debian-next, and when it is ready, I've seen nvidia stuff sometimes a month or so for it to be packaged to work correctly in sid. It isn't an easy project. This is part of why it is called testing/unstable.
13:33<wushin>yar, I know. Been using linux so long I forgot how much fun apply patches to graphics cards are
13:33<wushin>It's MILES better support now.
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13:33<wushin>I still remember that one TI wifi chipset that Ndis would kick out that special error message that basically said "nope, not going to happen ever"
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13:37<zartoosh>hi I have a question on debian packages archived in /var/apt/cache/archives. My question is every packet that has been installed on my system a copy of that is archived in the /var/cache/apt/archive?
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13:40<somiaj>zartoosh: no, that is just where apt puts the downloaded .deb before installing it
13:40<somiaj>zartoosh: packages not installed via apt will not be there. And by default after apt downloads the .deb file to then install the package, it doens't delete them (just in case you want them)
13:41<somiaj>zartoosh: but apt-get clean (and apt-get autoclean) will both clean out the .debs put there if you don't want the backup.
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14:02<zartoosh>somiaj, thanks for your response, how about packages downloaded through aptitude, are they cached the same place? thx
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14:04<retrospectacus>yes
14:04<zartoosh>thanks
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14:06<zartoosh>One more question, let us say there is a debian packages installed on my system, named foo.deb If I want to know from which repo this packages is from, is there a command? thx
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14:07<retrospectacus>zartoosh: 'apt-cache policy foo' is a reasonably good way
14:07<zartoosh>retrospectacus, thank you
14:07<retrospectacus>but not foolproof
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14:09<zartoosh>One more question, How could I find out the entire list of the packages installed my my system? thx
14:09<retrospectacus>zartoosh: dpkg -l
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14:10<zartoosh>retrospectacus, thanks
14:10<retrospectacus>(only those with "ii" on the start of the line. "rc" means removed configured... "man dpkg-query" will tell you more about those letters)
14:11<zartoosh>thank you.
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15:04<skibur>I'm currently in Fallback Mode on Debian Wheezy 7.5. How can I change the color of the menu background?
15:05<skibur>Sorry, Debian Wheezy 7.6 - Gnome 3.4.2
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15:31<sime>Hi
15:31<sime>Just wanted to know if its ok to beleive thant a packet in unstable (testing) will ever go in a current stable release or it will be the next stable release
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15:32<sime>package*
15:33<oldlaptop>the current stable release is almost completely frozen
15:33<oldlaptop>only security fixes will make it in (and release-critical bugfixes at formal point releases)
15:34<sime>thx :(
15:34<oldlaptop>Most things in testing or sid at any given time will be in the *next* stable though
15:34<sime>i'm thinking about libimobiledevice, i need 1.1.6 in order to use an apple iOS 7 device, i guess i wont upgrade my iDevice before next stable release
15:35<oldlaptop>sometimes you can get new packages through backports
15:35<oldlaptop>dpkg: tell sime about bpo
15:35<sime>thx! i'll look for that!
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15:36<oldlaptop>Depending on the exact circumstances you can even make a backport yourself - the backports team are much better at it than any mere mortal, but they can't get everything
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15:37<oldlaptop>dpkg: tell sime about simple sid backport
15:37<oldlaptop>that kind of thing will *not* work in all cases
15:37<oldlaptop>but sometimes it will get an easy thing the backports team hasn't bothered with
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15:57<charles>Hi I'm using Debian Wheezy and I believe I'm in fallback mode
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15:57<charles>how would i get out?
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15:58<jmcnaught>charles: do you mean Gnome fallback mode? It probably depends on the graphics card that you have. what does "lspci -nn | grep VGA" tell you?
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16:00<charles>yes. 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Device [1002:9830]
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16:01<jmcnaught>,pciid 1002:9830
16:01<judd>[1002:9830] is 'Kabini [Radeon HD 8400 / R3 Series]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9830 and the out-of-tree 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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16:03<jmcnaught>charles: You could take a look here: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo . You probably need the firmware which is in the linux-fimmware-nonfree package but that wiki page has the details
16:03<jmcnaught>charles: one way to check is looking for firmware errors in the output of dmesg
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16:08<charles>im a big noob to gnu/linux so after i enter dmesg in the terminal how do i look for firmware errors?
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16:09<Brigo>charles, try dmesg | grep firmware
16:09<charles>i installed the firmware-linux-nonfree package btw
16:09<charles>but okay
16:10<towo`>you use stable?
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16:10<Brigo>charles, could you paste the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log in paste.debian.net?
16:11<towo`>then kernel and ddx is too old for radeon hd 8xxx
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16:12<charles>Brigo: nothing happens it goes back to the original terminal prompt (or whatever you call that)
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16:13<charles>when i put in dmesg | grep firmware i mean
16:13<mattrk>window list
16:13<Brigo>charles, if you had installed the firmware package then there is not firmware problems.
16:14<towo`>dmesg | grep -i firmware would be better
16:14<towo`>but again, ddx and kernel in stable is too old for propper working hd 8xxx cards
16:15<Brigo>towo`, i doubt he has firmware problems, as far as he has the correct firmware package installed.
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16:18<charles>Brigo: im going to try and paste the output of /var/log/Xorg.0.log in paste.debian.net
16:18<Brigo>charles, good luck :)
16:19<charles>thanks
16:19<charles>what language do i select?
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16:20<Brigo>charles, english if you can
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16:21<charles>and should it be public or hiiden?
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16:22<charles>no by language i mean "text" or "ada" or "abap" etc
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16:22<towo`>text
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16:22<charles>thanks
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16:24<charles>and should it be public or hiiden?
16:24<charles>*hidden
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16:25<towo`>doesn't matter
16:25<towo`>as long you give the link
16:25<charles>okay
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16:26<charles>post it here?
16:26<charles>*should i post the link here?
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16:34*charles slaps toto42 around a bit with a large fishbot
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16:37<charles>towo`: should i post the link here?
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16:37<Brigo>charles, if you like we can see the file, yes.
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16:37<charles>okay
16:38<charles>http://paste.debian.net/hidden/96f8aab0
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16:39<Brigo>charles, the radeon driver does not support your card (this version at least)
16:40<charles>the version of the card or the driver?
16:41<Brigo>the driver version does not support the card version
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16:41<charles>oh okay
16:41<towo`><towo`> then kernel and ddx is too old for radeon hd 8xxx btw
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16:42<charles>what can i do then?
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16:44<Brigo>charles, your hardware is too new for the version of the drivers and kernel in your systems.
16:44<jmcnaught>charles: you might need to use the proprietary fglrx driver from wheezy-backports to use this card in Wheezy
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16:47<charles>Brigo: is there a way i could get appropriate drivers and kernel?
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16:48<Brigo>charles, yes install them from wheezy-backports as jmcnaught has said.
16:48<Brigo>!tell charles about backports
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16:48<towo`>there is no newer ddx in backports
16:48<towo`>and kernel is not enougth
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16:49<Brigo>towo`, ddx?
16:49<towo`>the x part
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16:49<towo`>the best would be kernel 3.14 and xserver 1.16 = testing/sid
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16:51<charles>so should i try kernel 3.14 and xserver 1.16 = testing/sid?
16:52<charles>and the fglrx driver from backports?
16:52<Brigo>I can find the package of the ati driver ...
16:53<charles>what?
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16:56<charles>is there anything i can try?
16:56<Brigo>v fglrx-driver
16:56<Brigo>,v fglrx-driver
16:56<judd>Package: fglrx-driver on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 1:10-9-3squeeze1; wheezy/non-free: 1:12-6+point-3; wheezy-backports/non-free: 1:13.12-4~bpo70+1; sid/non-free: 1:14.4.2-1; experimental/non-free: 1:14.6~betav1.0-1
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16:57<Brigo>charles, those are the available versions of the fglrx driver in debian
16:58<Brigo>you are using the version 12 from wheezy, you can try easely the 13.12 from wheezy-backports or the 14.4 from sid
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17:04<rryoumaa>how come unar requires gnustep-base-runtime, which runs a daemon?
17:04<charles>Brigo: yesterday i tried installing the fglrx driver and making the appropriate config file, but upon reboot it would stay on a black screen and a blinking "_" symbol
17:04<charles>so i removed the driver
17:04<charles>and the config file
17:04<Brigo>charles, as we told you it is too old for your card
17:04<Brigo>you need to try a newer one.
17:05<Brigo>from backports or from sid
17:05<charles>okay
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17:05<Brigo>i think the best is to try backports, if it is too old too, then sid.
17:06<charles>okay thanks
17:06<Brigo>If you want backports, you have to activate them, editing the /apt/sources.list
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17:06<Brigo>and then install packages from there
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17:25<Voodoo>Anyone of you have a Mac VM or reliable link for getting it?
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17:35<rryoumaa>somehow i ended up with minissdpd on my system. if i purge it, will anything stop working?
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17:46<charles>Brigo: it appears to be in the non fallback mode now after installing the driver and rebooting thanxs
17:46<charles>*thanks
17:46<Brigo>charles, good for you :)
17:46<charles>do i have to get a new kernel as well?
17:46<charles>or ddx(whatever that is)?
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17:52<towo`>charles, since you use fglrx, you don't need a newer kernel, and fglrx has it's own ddx
17:52<charles>okay so i guess im done with that thanks
17:53<charles>how do i get wifi on debian?
17:54<SynrG>Possibly non-free firmware needed
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18:25<vrishab>Hi ... is there a command to open the GIR ( Gobject introspection ) typelib files .. ?
18:25<vrishab>/usr/lib/girepository-1.0/RB-3.0.typelib: G-IR binary database, v4.0, 417 entries/344 local
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20:11<eightyeight>how do i control the encryption cipher that stunnel uses?
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20:15<eightyeight>found it
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20:54<Jkpieka>hi.
20:54<Jkpieka>Nice to debian you.
20:54<retrospectacus>likewise
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21:30<zartoosh>hi I want to remove a debian package using apt-get remove command but I do not want the package dependencies to be removed, Is this possible? thx
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21:33<qboster>Hii all. How can I get the package's reverse build depends(with recursive) packages in debian ?
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21:42<rafinha>oi algun troxa ai
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21:43<jmcnaught>qboster: "apt-cache rdepends foo --recurse"
21:43<Explorer91>I'm glad to join #Debian channel.
21:44<qboster>jmcnaught, it will show the run time depends and build time depends
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21:44<qboster>I want to know weather have a utils like apt-rdepends...
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21:46<jmcnaught>qboster: well there is an apt-rdepends and it has a manpage, but i'm not familiar with its use really.
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21:47<qboster>jmcnaught, ok, thx
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22:47<twb>in /var/lib/dpkg/status, what does it mean when Conffiles: changes from listing "/etc/foo.conf newconffile" to "/etc/foo.conf <checksum>" ?
22:48<twb>Hm, that seems to correspond to a change from "Status: install ok unpacked" to "Status: install ok installed".
22:49<twb>So I guess the old copy I'm diffing against, was grabbed before the SOE was finished building.
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