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00:31<uso>is there any way to force an ethernet interface to reacquire it's IPv6 address?
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00:33<sney>ifupdown. or re-run the dhcp6 client if applicable.
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00:35<uso>sney: dhcp is only used for IPv4 and ifdown / ifup does not bring the IPv6 address back
00:36<sney>there is dhcp6 but it tends to be enterprise specific. with no information about your environment, just threw that in there
00:37<sney>ifdown/ifup should, though. bringing the interface up should just cause it to re-autoconfig from the router advertisements or whatever else you're doing. you can try taking it down directly with ifconfig too
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00:39<uso>sney: it seems to use auto-configuration, at least I did not have to run anything (like dhcp) to get the IPv6 address
00:39<sney>ok.
00:40<sney>http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 may have details that interest you
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01:03<uso>sadly with all the complicated auto-config mechanisms linux more and more gets like windows, you have to reboot to fix even the simplest problems :/
01:03<uso>after reboot the IP is back ...
01:03<sney>auto-config is ipv6's problem, not linux's.
01:04<sney>they wanted to make it more plug and play. that'll get easy after a decade or so of router firmware, probably. it's already ok in the enterprise space
01:04<uso>the implementation is on linux ;)
01:04<sney>ok if you wanna insist on blaming the thing that didn't cause the problem you're having then just go ahead, have fun etc
01:04*sney shrug
01:06<uso>the router still did distribute IP addresses to other computers and I had to reboot linux, not the router
01:08<uso>still curious if there is any other way between ifdown/ifup and reboot to fix such a problem
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02:10<LordBrain>I am trying to use scim to enter experimental alternative orthographies for lobjan, such as using kanji or the tamil script. or hangul, I believe I have all the packages installed, and the daemon running, but I don't see any menus pop up, ctrl-space doesnt seem to do anything.
02:10<LordBrain>Can someone help me troubleshoot?
02:11<LordBrain>I am using debian stable with backports
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02:20<babilen>LordBrain: I'd recommend using IBus based input methods, rather than scim (in particular for CJK). You will also have to set XMODIFIERS, GTK_IM_MODULE and QT_IM_MODULE for which you can use im-config for that.
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02:21<LordBrain>why IBus over scim?
02:22<LordBrain>re babilen
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02:22<LordBrain>can IBus do tamil and hangul?
02:23<babilen>LordBrain: It is actively developed and comes with good input methods.
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02:24<babilen>LordBrain: Hanglus definitely, no idea about Tamil
02:24<babilen>*Hangul
02:24<LordBrain>Okay, well, anything really, but i need a howto or something, what package do i install first off?
02:24<babilen>Either way, you'll have to set XMODIFIERS, GTK_IM_MODULE and QT_IM_MODULE regardless of ibus/scim
02:25<LordBrain>hmmmm
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02:25<babilen>And if you are running a reasonably recent Debian version you are probably using IBus already to manage your keyboard settings.
02:25<LordBrain>I am using mate, which is basically gnome 2, and there is a menu option: System -> Preferences -> Scim Input Method
02:26<LordBrain>I am a bit frustrated that that is there, and yet does not set everything up
02:26<LordBrain>its Debian Stable, with backports, and a mate repo added
02:27<babilen>We don't support those repositories, but I'd be surprised if it behaves differently (but who knows what they've done, they are essentially running of an old codebase)
02:27<LordBrain>well, i doubt the problem comes from running mate
02:28<jmcnaught>LordBrain: mate is in wheezy-backports, it's the third-party repo that's not supported
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02:29<LordBrain>they do break stuff up some, changing names of programs such as gnome-settings-daemon becoming mate-settings-daemon.. weirdness like that
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02:29<LordBrain>Well, whatever, i could run any xwindow manager, i don't think thats the issue here. So forget about it
02:30<babilen>We still don't support their third-party repositories. But I *still* don't believe that it makes a difference in regard to the input method setup. It *does* make a difference regarding my statement about IBus though.
02:30<LordBrain>what statement about IBus was that?
02:30<LordBrain>Oh about whether i have it running already
02:30<babilen>"And if you are running a reasonably recent Debian version you are probably using IBus already to manage your keyboard settings."
02:31<LordBrain>I probably don't, so what packages do i install?
02:31<babilen>I am happily using IBus for 日本語 and 中文 .. Don't speak Korean nor Tamil so I don't have a need for that.
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02:32<LordBrain>Well, i want to be able to try a lot of different things, because i am trying to invent an alternative writing system for lojban here.
02:33<babilen>You want im-config to beging with and then you install whatever input method you want to use. Set the modifiers in your bash startup and (e.g. "XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus" for ibus (I guess =scim for scim))
02:33<LordBrain>hangul seems intriguing, because it looks ideographic like hanzi but is actually phonetic, and that might be a good fit
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02:34<babilen>LordBrain: /usr/share/doc/ibus/README.Debian is a good read for IBus, I would expect scim to come with something similar, but then I haven't used scim ever since maybe 2006
02:35<LordBrain>ok, well, I guess it might just be that i need to set those environment variables, I was kind of hoping the gui config would just do the right thing.
02:35<babilen>im-config you mean?
02:35<LordBrain>no, it is some scim specfic gui
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02:36<babilen>That is for configuring scim itself, not to configure the system to use it
02:36<LordBrain>i did read docs about setting environment variables, but there were lots of different options about where to actually set them
02:36<LordBrain>as in, do i put it in ~/.profile, or .xinitrc or /etc/profile, etc etc...
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02:37<LordBrain>as well as variations depending on whether i was using gnome or some other various programs
02:37<LordBrain>Making getting up and going a bit non-trivial
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02:38<LordBrain>the docs didnt even mention the scim gui configurator thing
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02:38<babilen>LordBrain: btw, scim is considered deprecated by the scim/ibus/im-config maintainer in Debian Osamu Aoki (cf. http://paste.debian.net/110615/ from /usr/share/doc/im-config/README.Debian.gz )
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02:39<babilen>So my recommendation to not use it but IBus and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/ibus/README.Debian and using im-config still stand
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02:39<helmut_>hi
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02:45<LordBrain>Okay, well i installed IBus, using "apt-get install ibus-m17n".. Judging from the output of that command, it seems to recognize various language inputs installed as /etc/X11/xinit/xinput.d/ja_JP for example.. including ko_KR and a bunch of zh_XX
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02:47<mjt>gnome3 on wheeze on my desktop stopped running in modern mode, only gnome classic starts, no matter if I choose "Gnome" or "Gnome classic" in the gdm login screen. How to debug this?
02:48<mjt>aha. right at the beginning of .xsession-errors.
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02:48<mjt>gnome-session-is-accelerated: No hardware 3D support.
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02:49<mjt>OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Server
02:50<LordBrain>Okay, thanks babilen, I am going to restart gnome, so i have to shut down xchat.
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02:53<LordBrain>Ok, Now .. Ctrol-space was supposed to trigger scim, how do i trigger IBus?
02:58<babilen>ctrl-space
02:59<LordBrain>Tஅமில்
02:59<LordBrain>Cool. :)
03:00<LordBrain>That's Tamil script
03:00<babilen>LordBrain: I would recommend ibus-mozc for Japanese and ibus-pinyin (or ibus-cangjie if you know BoPoMoFo) for Chinese
03:00<LordBrain>I've no idea how to pronounce it yet, but its a cool looking writing system
03:00<babilen>s/BoPoMoFo/Zhuyin ;)
03:01<LordBrain>There are three options for tamil, Inscript, Remington, Phonetic
03:02<LordBrain>I notice a lot of the languages have Inscript and Phonetic as options
03:02<LordBrain>I am not sure what they do
03:02<LordBrain>Does phonetic let me type using some form of romanization, like pinyin?
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03:05<babilen>That would be my guess too, but I still don't know much about Tamil and its input methods.
03:05<LordBrain>I currently have scim and ibus both installed, and i installed that im-config tool you recommended too, which am beginning to figure out
03:06<LordBrain>i also set environment variables in my ~/.profile
03:06<LordBrain>I notice a couple of things
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03:06<LordBrain>there is now some small icon up in the taskbar, that corresponds to some input method related functionality
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03:07<babilen>Yes, that would be the ibus icon. I would personally just purge scim.
03:07<LordBrain>if i click it, i get a menu, that has only one option "No Input Method"
03:07<LordBrain>well, okay, i may do that, but for now, let me figure out what i have
03:07<babilen>Right-click → Preferences
03:08<babilen>It might be that you are using scim right now and that restarting + setting those three env vars did the trick (what did you set them to?)
03:08<LordBrain>I have that preferences dialog open
03:09<LordBrain>export GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus
03:09<LordBrain>export XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus
03:09<LordBrain>I did that, and yet, i did get some kidn of scim related menu in xchat for a bit, although it is gone now
03:09<LordBrain>and cntrl space doesnt bring it back
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03:10<afsal>how to install skype in debian 64-bit
03:10<LordBrain>It seems like i may have disabled it with that "No Input Method" menu option i clicked earlier, and i don't know how to bring it back
03:11<LordBrain>ஓஹ்இ Oh I found it.
03:11<LordBrain>somehow installing IBus facilitated me using Scim
03:11<LordBrain>i guess IBus is aware of Scim?
03:12<LordBrain>or maybe it was Im-config that did the trick
03:12<babilen>im-config most likely
03:12<babilen>dpkg: tell afsal -about skype
03:12<babilen>afsal: Follow the wiki article
03:12<LordBrain>IF i right click the input box, and choose Input Method -> Scim Input Method, I get that handy menu to the right of the input box.
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03:13<LordBrain>Jம்
03:13<babilen>"I heard you like input methods so I put a scim in your ibus so you can hangus while you tamil!" ?
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03:13<LordBrain>ஜ்ம்
03:14<LordBrain>heh, sorry... I'll experimnet with those elsewhere
03:14<babilen>LordBrain: There really is no need to dump random glyphs into this channel. Ask a question if you require Debian support or kindly take it elsewhere if you want to play with your setup.
03:14<LordBrain>So using im-config, how do i tell it to use IBus?
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03:15<babilen>LordBrain: You select ibus in the list of input methods
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03:17<LordBrain>Do i have to manually add each input method in that preferences dialog for each language?
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03:18<shtrb>Anyone here who package iceweasel (firefox) ?
03:18<LordBrain>For example, in Right click -> Preferences -> Input Method, I selected and added "Chinese - pinyin-vi (m17n)" and now the list box on that page contains that one item
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03:22<babilen>LordBrain: Yes, you do. But then again: You most likely want ibus-pinyin for Chinese (or ibus-cangjie if you know ZhuYin)
03:22<babilen>shtrb: What would you ask that person?
03:22<LordBrain>i don't see those options
03:22<babilen>LordBrain: Did you install ibus-mozc (Japanese) and ibus-pinyin ?
03:23<LordBrain>thats the issue. thanks
03:23<babilen>...
03:23<shtrb>babilen, can they add a warning in the change log for 30 that NTLMv1 is blocked (and you will not be able to login to corporate systems :-) )
03:23<shtrb>in http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_30.0-2_changelog
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03:23<babilen>shtrb: Feel free to file a bug against the package (reportbug iceweasel)
03:23<shtrb>that is upstream issue , but that affect so much that maybe it should be done
03:24<shtrb>I'm talking about https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/30/Site_Compatibility#Security
03:24<babilen>Also #debian-mozilla for the packaging team, but I'd recommend to discuss this in a proper bug report.
03:24<babilen>(so it doesn't get lost in the general noise of IRC)
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03:28<mjt>what permissions /dev/dri/card* files should have?
03:29<mjt>After recent update (which included udev among other things), 3d stopped working, and it works fine after chmod 666 /dev/dri/card0
03:30<jmcnaught>mjt: my wheezy system has: /card0 [03:29] [jmcnaught(+Ri)] [5:OFTC/#debian(+clnt)] [Act: 4,6,7,8,9,10,11
03:30<jmcnaught>bah sorry
03:30<jmcnaught>crw-rw---T+ 1 root video 226, 0 Jul 20 02:40 card0
03:30<mjt>acls
03:30<mjt>and I guess consolekit manages the ACLs in there
03:32<jmcnaught>mjt: probably consolekit. getfacl output shows my user. i could put it in a paste if you think it would help
03:33<mjt>no need for paste, I've seen these entries before. Here, I see no ACLs in entrie /dev
03:33<mjt>but acls definitely work in /dev
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03:34<mjt>so apparently, consolekit doesn't work anymore
03:34<mjt>and there was a systemd update from bpo, too
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03:39<mpourhadi>how can i install full enlightenment desktop ?
03:39<harlock>how to be without flash is there a substitute?
03:41<mpourhadi>harlock, u mean flash-player?
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03:42<harlock>yes
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03:42<mpourhadi>harlock, check this link https://packages.debian.org/flashplugin-nonfree
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03:48<harlock>Thanks, but in terms of Safety, he is as safe?
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04:25<mpourhadi>anybody knows how can i have nice xfce desktop env?
04:25<mpourhadi>for example like this one https://kororaproject.org/img/screenshots/korora-xfce-apps.jpg
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04:33<harlock>flash is okay, another question in wheezy-backports main contrib non-free, in the non-free update all nothing to worry about?
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04:33<harlock>or had only the kernel and libreoffice
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04:35<mpourhadi>harlock, when u run apt-get update it shows u wat will be updated but be carefull with ur debian versions
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04:39<harlock>renewed normally works well, but the security is not sure whether I have a little novice at random and do not know much )
04:40<mpourhadi>by default i guess linux security is so great
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04:45<harlock>in the non-free should not be holes or because I'm such a naive?))
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04:51<harlock>but as the session x1 finish?
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05:01<xmb>install-info: No dir file specified; try --help for more information.
05:01<xmb>dpkg: error processing package diff (--configure):
05:01<dpkg>xmb: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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05:39<Nickd55345353>is linux more secure than mac os x?
05:39<Nickd55345353>ty
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05:56<juzza1>what does it mean when my console (accessed by CTRL+ALT+F1) is stuck at "Waiting for /dev to be fully populated..."? I can still boot just fine
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06:10<Guest3275>Hi!
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06:13<Guest3275>Hello is there someone?
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06:14<babilen>dpkg: ask
06:14<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
06:16<Guest3275>Ok, I just wanted to say Hello. I have a problem running an application as a daemon (Node.js). I create a daemon launcher in init.d and when I try to run it it appears in my console, not as a daemon, so it stops when I logout
06:17<Guest3275>Its the same when I run directly in th shell the command in the do_start method
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06:17<Guest3275>sudo start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /home/bam/pid --exec /usr/bin/node-v0.10.28-linux-x64/bin/node -- /home/bam/www/App/server.js --background
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06:19<ompaul>run it in screen until you figure it out]
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06:20<Guest3275>This command seems good right?
06:20<Zaba>run it in screen until jessie :D
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06:43<drybjed>hello. I'm trying to build a ruby2.1 package from .dsc (from testing) on wheezy. is there a way to automatically install build dependencies of ruby2.1 package? I know about apt-get build-deps, but since I don't have testing repositories in apt sources, is there a way to parse output od dpkg-checkbuilddeps and install required packages?
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06:49<SynrG>drybjed: mixing distros is not supported. use backports
06:49<SynrG>,v ruby2.1
06:50<drybjed>SynrG: yes, i know. :) but at the moment there's no ruby2.1 in wheezy-backports
06:50<drybjed>so I want to try backporting it myself
06:50<SynrG>oh, from .dsc ... ok
06:50<SynrG>sorry, sleepy
06:50<drybjed>sure, no problem :-)
06:50<SynrG>still taking first sips of morning coffee :)
06:50<drybjed>have a good day then :)
06:51<SynrG>pbuilder can do it
06:51<drybjed>let me check...
06:51<drybjed>huh. interesting :)
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06:52<judd>Package: ruby2.1 on i386 -- jessie: 2.1.2-2; sid: 2.1.2-2
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07:21<mpourhadi>any applications substitute for proxychains?
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08:23<harlock>openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre ?
08:23<Kjetil>8
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08:25<harlock>thank you
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08:49<mjt>I'm trying to mount an android device (jmtpfs). But each time I plug it on, vlc opens saying it can't open the device, and jmtpfs complains that the device is busy, tries to reset it and looping. How to disable running vlc?
08:49<mjt>i renamed /usr/bin/vlc and now it works, but this is kinda wrong
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08:55<mjt>er no. it doesn't. after removing vlc it now tries to open nautilus and fails in a simialr way
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08:58<yakoub>hello
08:58<yakoub>for all
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09:02<mjt>ok. After renaming vlc AND nautilus, it works.
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09:58<foffa>how to check my debian version in terminal ?
09:58<Nemoder>cat /etc/debian_version
09:59<Nemoder>though if you want to be more accurate look at your /etc/apt/sources.list
09:59<foffa>Nemoder, thanks and now how to update from 7.5 to 7.6 ?
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10:00<Nemoder>!security
10:00<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>.
10:01<foffa>Nemoder, thank you very much
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10:15<foffa>how to deal with this error message : Error message:
10:15<foffa>Fetch failed: W:Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/dns/sound/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found
10:17<sney>you're trying to download a wheezy package from an ubuntu ppa? that's not going to work. ubuntu and debian are different OSes. their packages are rarely compatible.
10:17<sney>and PPAs only host ubuntu packages, besides
10:18<foffa>so.. i have to remove those sources ?
10:18<sney>yes
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10:18<sney>only madness lies that way
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10:18<foffa>:D thanks
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10:41<WildMan>hello
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10:56<mica>hi
10:57<mica>eni badi here
10:57<mica>imali nekoga iz sribije ?
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11:41<bing>hey folks. i'm running a "Five or More" gaming tournament on five-or-more.org. any feedback would be appreciated.
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11:54<dirkgent>l
11:54<dirkgent>hello
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11:55<centrx>!hi
11:55<dpkg>hello, centrx
11:55<dirkgent>hello everyone
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12:03<pi>woops
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12:03-!-pi is now known as sirius
12:03<sirius>i like my raspberry pi
12:03<sirius><3
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12:06<siriusnova>but i really dont know what to do with it
12:06<siriusnova>besides irc :(
12:08<mdik>siriusnova: run a tor hidden service with owncloud
12:08<siriusnova>im in saudi arabia
12:08<siriusnova>id go to jail
12:08<siriusnova>:(
12:08<average_guy>http://pingbin.com/2012/12/30-cool-ideas-raspberry-pi-project/
12:08<mdik>or other nice things one could host on a....
12:08<mdik>oh
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12:08<siriusnova>all of saudi arabia sits behind a proxy
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12:09<siriusnova>so no tor exit nodes
12:09<siriusnova>unless you want to browse the saudi arabian censored internet ;)
12:09<mdik>siriusnova: ok. but you could still do client side stuff, like e.g. running bots which collect RSS streams and post them to social networks like diaspora
12:09<siriusnova>herm yeah
12:10<siriusnova>im browsing that website that you posted on pingbin
12:10<siriusnova>looks enat
12:10<siriusnova>neat
12:10<mdik>siriusnova: or, if you can get an internet connection with static ip. you could also properly host stuff without hidden service
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12:11<mdik>but, we are quite offtopic. there is a #raspberrypi channel on freenode i think it was
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12:11<mdik>yes. freenode
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12:16<skibur>Morning
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12:24<eightyeight>how do you add multiple hardware random number generators to rngd(8)?
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12:26<centrx>eightyeight, I don't know, you may want to look for a Linux Security related channel rather than a Debian channel
12:26<centrx>eightyeight, At first glance, the manpage implies rngd does not support multiple devices
12:26<eightyeight>agreed
12:26<centrx>eightyeight, So if I wanted to do it in a pinch, I would set up multiple devices, that are xor'ed in succession
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12:26<eightyeight>i thought i might be able to add multiple '-r <device>' switches, but it appears that it only takes the latest
12:27<eightyeight>centrx: yeah. i'm thinking a named pipe, that might be doing something like that
12:27<centrx>eightyeight, then rngd only looks at the last one. You can look at the Linux kernel source code to see how it combines multiple sources
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12:28<centrx>eightyeight, Maybe you could run rngd multiple times
12:28<centrx>eightyeight, Then the Linux kernel will do that xor'ing thing with the multiple input sources it receives from rngd
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12:31<saleem>hi, how do i configure broadcom wireless on wheezy? i have installed firmware-b43-installer and manually configured all settings as per wiki and other readings but wireless connection is dead while same firmware and settings are working perfectly on my archlinux and ubuntu on same pc? what am i missing here? any suggestions please
12:31<centrx>saleem, Try using NetworkManager or wicd instead of manually configuring the connection settings
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12:33<saleem>centrx, i removed wicd because it also did not pick my wireless , im on kde , i will check in settings for networkmanager now
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12:34<saleem>in network settings wireless is greyed out i can`t change anything on it
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12:36<p0x>saleem, is your wireless interface up?
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12:37<saleem>p0x, how do i confirm it ?
12:37<p0x>iwconfig
12:37<saleem>i ran sudo ifconfig wlan0 up previously but got no output , i will try your command now
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12:38<Kjetil>no output is good
12:38<saleem>now its downs
12:38<p0x>no output no error :)
12:38<saleem>sudo iwconfig
12:38<saleem>lo no wireless extensions.
12:38<saleem>eth0 no wireless extensions.
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12:39<p0x>saleem, nothing about wlan0 ?
12:39<saleem>no nothing about that
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12:40<p0x>saleem, if you type sudo iwlist scan ?
12:41<saleem>it does not support scanning
12:41<saleem>sudo iwlist scan
12:41<saleem>lo Interface doesn't support scanning.
12:41<saleem>eth0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
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12:42<p0x>ok so your wifi is not configured correctly
12:42<saleem>looks like so
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12:42<p0x>saleem, can you paste the output of lspci on paste debian?
12:42<saleem>as per arch wiki and which always works i blacklisted b43 , is that right to do on debian as well?
12:42<saleem>yes i can
12:44<saleem>http://paste.debian.net/110656/
12:45<jmcnaught>"lspci -nn" is always more useful, gives the pciids
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12:45<somiaj>you can look up what debian requires for most ethernet cards as well on the wiki
12:45<saleem>http://paste.debian.net/110657
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12:47<p0x>saleem, I can't see anything about broadcom wireless
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12:49<saleem>p0x, my pc does not come with any builtin wirless device so i use an external USB TP link wireless stick and it works fine with b43 firmware on ubuntu and archlinux for me so i installed same on debian but does not work
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12:49<saleem>same firmware works fine on my laptop as well
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12:50<p0x>ok saleem :) can you give me the version of your USB TP Link?
12:50<saleem>yes
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12:50<saleem>TLWN722N
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12:51<saleem>I just read on wiki that NDISwrapper may work for usb devices with broadcom chips if kernel does not support it
12:51<saleem>i will install this package
12:51<p0x>saleem, version of your kernel?
12:52<saleem>3.2.0-4-686-pae
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12:53<p0x>saleem, have you installed firmware-atheros package
12:53<p0x>???
12:53<saleem>https://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx
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12:54<saleem>no
12:54<saleem>i am installing it now
12:54<p0x>saleem, http://cheesehead-techblog.blogspot.it/2012/01/installing-tp-link-tl-wn722n-atheros.html
12:54<p0x>try to follow this guide
12:55<saleem>thank you p0x , im reading it now and will get the packages given on this post
12:56<p0x>saleem, let me know if you solve the problem
12:56<saleem>yes sure p0x , im creating the network interface now
12:57<p0x>good :)
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12:58<p0x>saleem, if you've problem, but we can "see" wlan0 interface, is also a good step :)
12:59<saleem>p0x, what should i put here wireless-essid YourNetwork in place of YourNetwork ?
13:00<p0x>wait saleem
13:00<somiaj>saleem: is your network wep or wpa?
13:00<p0x>if you're using network manager
13:00<p0x>don't touch or modify /etc/network/interfaces file
13:00<p0x>saleem, try to type sudo iwconfig
13:01<p0x>and see if your wlan0 will appear
13:01<saleem>yes im using network manager
13:01<p0x>saleem, can you see wlan0?
13:02<saleem>same message as before no wlan0
13:02<p0x>mmm strange
13:02<saleem>here is interfaces contents
13:02<saleem>http://paste.debian.net/110659/
13:03<radioact1ve>haha ive never seen the show raw like this
13:04<babilen>saleem: You will, almost certainly, not need/want to install ndiswrapper. Which device do you have? ("lsusb" / "lspci -nn|grep -i network")
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13:05<saleem>p0x, after plugging our and replugin in usb stick now the output is different and usb stick gave typical green signal light when wirless is conntected normally
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13:06<saleem>http://paste.debian.net/110660/
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13:07<babilen>saleem: That looks fine, restart network-manager with "service network manager restart" and check if it manages your interface now and picks up wireless networks
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13:08<babilen>saleem: And, given that you claim it to work on Arch and Ubuntu, you probably just need a newer kernel if it doesn't work already now. Install a 3.14 one from backports by following <bdo kernel>. -- /msg dpkg bdo kernel
13:08<saleem>thanks babilen i will check now
13:09<saleem>http://paste.debian.net/110662/
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13:10<saleem>and wirless is working now
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13:10<babilen>yay :)
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13:11<saleem>thanks to you guys i spent two days setting up this wheezy remaster now i can proceed to set my evo 3g mobile stick settings
13:11<babilen>remaster?
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13:13<saleem>yes babilen , i am using refractasnapshot tool to make a remaster of my installed system so i can install my custom made debian wheezy on different pcs, last night i made one successful ISO but then wireless was not working so i had to fix this too
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13:13<babilen>Ah, okay
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13:14<saleem>its sort of public service , once i have a custom made system i make a snapshot and then install it for friends and colleagues , not spending time on manually setting up things from zero everytime
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13:16<saleem>this link might be of interest to someone here http://ftp.nluug.nl/ibiblio/distributions/refracta/refractasnapshot/
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13:24<saleem>time to set my 3GeVO usb stick :)
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13:39<saleem>is it normal to have an empty /etc/usb_modeswitch.d/ with no files in it ?
13:41<centrx>I don't even have that directory
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13:41<oldlaptop>saleem: I have such a directory on this testing box
13:41<saleem>it is created after installing usb-modeswitch
13:42<saleem>and then you can create file for your 3g device manually
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13:44<saleem>http://www.networktshooter.info/2014/02/configuring-usb-modem-in-linux-reliance.html
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13:46<oldlaptop>saleem: usb-modeswitch is a little more general purpose, though apparently WAN dongles do it most often
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13:51<saleem>oldlaptop, i wonder if WAN dongles are still used in west and US , but for me its a life saving device in place where there is no broadband and wireless connection
13:51<oldlaptop>Dongles are being superseded by *built-in* cellular modems I suppose
13:51<oldlaptop>but there's still a market for them
13:52<oldlaptop>although devices that create a wifi network ("mobile hotspots") seem to be more popular
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14:01<harlock>torus necessarily install?
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14:27<saleem>once again im unable to configure my WAN dongle despite following all the required steps given on this link http://www.networktshooter.info/2014/02/configuring-usb-modem-in-linux-reliance.html
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14:32<somiaj>that looks dated and you don't need that on most usb dongles
14:32<somiaj>what chipset do you have on your usb dongle?
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14:34<saleem>its a Bus 001 Device 006: ID 19d2:fff5 ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM
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14:36<xormor>if I upgrade from 7.4 straight to 7.6, does it work?
14:36<xormor>I have here 7.4 DVD's.
14:36<centrx>Yes
14:37<xormor>centrx, thank you.
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14:44<babilen>xormor: You typically don't need more than once DVD (or netinstall really) for the installation if you have internet access
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14:49<saleem>a little help here please im not sure what am i doing wrongly configuring my WAN dongle
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14:54<devil>saleem: best advice is to google with debian and the product and vendor id that lspci -nn will provide (can't be any more elaborate, am in a meeting)
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14:55<saleem>thanks devil im looking
14:56<devil>saleem: id looks like xxxx:yyyy
14:57<saleem>yes its 19d2:fff5
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14:59<saleem>devil : and i made changes as required but those seem not to work
14:59<rishub>Why have the nvidia drivers been removed from Debian Jessie repos?
15:00<centrx>rishub, To facilitate the upgrade to X 1.16. They should be back in 5 days
15:00<saleem>from this link http://www.networktshooter.info/2014/02/configuring-usb-modem-in-linux-reliance.html
15:00<devil>saleem: ZTE MG 880 + ?
15:00<rishub>Is there temp drivers I can install?
15:01<centrx>rishub, You can use the VESA driver, or you could try installing the version of nvidia-driver from unstable
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15:01<centrx>*the new version
15:01<rishub>Just download it and install with dpkg -i?
15:01<viccuad>centrx: just curious, how do you know the amount of time for the nvidia drivers to be fixed?
15:01<devil>saleem: here is one for ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1411741.html
15:02<saleem>ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM
15:02<saleem>thanks devil i will read this link as well
15:02<centrx>viccuad, packages.qa.debian.org/nvidia-driver
15:02<centrx>viccuad, A new version has been uploaded to unstable, so if all works out it would be 5 days. There could be issues that delay it
15:02<centrx>It could also be hinted in making it shorter
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15:03<viccuad>centrx: thanks!
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15:03<rishub>centrx: Thanks!
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16:57<nikos>kalispera se oloys
16:58<nikos>kalispera se oloys
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16:59<oldlaptop>nikos: this channel is English, #debian-<your language code> may exist
16:59<oldlaptop>!gr
16:59<dpkg>Γιά βοήθεια στα Ελληνικά παρακαλώ δοκιμάστε στο #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). For help in Greek please try #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org).
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18:12<Nineaua>Bonsoir
18:13<ez613>salut ;)
18:13<ez613>C'est la première fois que je me connecte a IRC ;)
18:13<ez613>Tout ca à cause de DTC ...
18:13<Nineaua>idem
18:14<ez613>Aussi a cause de DTC ?
18:14<Nineaua>?
18:14<ez613>Un site :)
18:14<ez613>danstonchat
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18:15<jmcnaught>!fr
18:15<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
18:15<Nineaua>c'est fait
18:15<Nineaua>dsl
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18:18<Nineaua>pouvez vous m'aider?
18:18<kutsder>turk varmı
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18:20<devil>!tr
18:20<dpkg>i heard tr is t�rk�e yardIm i�in #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net): -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr on irc.freenode.net.
18:21<kutsder>debian tr kanali hangisi
18:22<petn-randall>kutsder: You will have to speak english here to get support, or try #debian.tr.
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18:23<kutsder>thanks
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20:39<jay__>hello. my internet is ridiculously slow and i don't know why. nothing has changed. our other laptop upstairs works perfectly with wifi. this laptop doesn't. i tried restarting the modem and router and then the pc. i'm outta ideas
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20:43<jay__>625 people an no replies?
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20:44<Guest2910>it's a pretty unspecific question, i'm not even sure how it relates to the debian linux distribution
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20:45<jay__>what do you mean? i'm using antiX MX-14 distro
20:45<oldlaptop>!based on debian
20:45<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
20:45<Guest2910>and a lot of things i would have to look up in my crystal ball, if it weren't broken yet again
20:46<jay__>so i need to go to off-topic?
20:46<abrotman>jay__: no, you need to go to its support channel
20:46<jmcnaught>jay__: offtopic isn't for support. you need to go to the antix channel wherever it is
20:46<oldlaptop>!antix
20:46<dpkg>antiX is a live CD distribution based on <MEPIS>. It is not supported in #debian. http://antix.mepis.org/ #mepis on irc.freenode.net. See also <based on debian>.
20:46<sney>you need to find your random derivative's channel and ask them. or alternatel install debian and party with us. your choice
20:47<jay__>hmmm i need to go to mepis or change to debian then?
20:47<abrotman>yes
20:47<jay__>ok cool thanks
20:48<oldlaptop>some (almost all) derivatives unfortunately leave this channel as the default in their IRC clients
20:48<oldlaptop>that causes a lot of confusion
20:48<jay__>ya this was the default sorry. also, mepis is empty
20:48<jay__>no one is there
20:48<jay__>so this distro has no support besides forums?
20:48<oldlaptop>you can try generic linux channels
20:49<oldlaptop>I have no clue what antix support looks like
20:49<sney>jay__: note that the mepis channel is on irc.freenode.net, which is a different network from this one
20:49<jay__>oh right lol
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20:50<jay__>i checked there too. no body around
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20:50<jay__>that sucks. i liked this distro otherwise
20:50<abrotman>win 2
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20:51<jay__>oh well. i guess i'll try debian. will it work well on older laptops?
20:51<oldlaptop>It should
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20:52<oldlaptop>you may want to avoid the default GNOME3 desktop in stable, depending on how old this is
20:52<jay__>ok. my laptop has a Turion 64 x2 processor to give you an idea
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20:54<oldlaptop>Debian runs on... a lot of things
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20:54<oldlaptop>but not all software in Debian will play well on old/low-power systems
20:54<oldlaptop>e.g. GNOME3, KDE4
20:55<sney>turion should be fine, if warm. I would suggest the xfce/lxde cd1 installer to get started
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20:55<oldlaptop>if you don't want heavy desktop environments, use lightweight DEs like XFCE/LXDE :)
20:55<oldlaptop>although KDE4 probably works acceptably on that, depending on the quantity of RAM
20:55<sney>e.g. http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-cd/debian-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
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20:56<oldlaptop>for maximum control you can also install a basic commandline system and build from there
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20:56<sney>yeah, kde was still pretty good on my centrino system until it finally died. I keep forgetting you can turn off the compositing in kwin
20:57<oldlaptop>that and nepomuk indexing
20:57<oldlaptop>although kwin compositing now works quite well on certain "older" systems
20:58<oldlaptop>(probably the same ones GNOME3 will play well with, though)
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20:58<sney>right as long as dri/glx is cooperative
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20:58<jay__>thanks oldlaptop , i'll try the xfce or lxde
20:59<jay__>that command line install is way above my head oldlaptop lol
21:00<sney>(it is probably easier than you think - but anyway, the link I pasted above was for xfce)
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21:04<one>Can u speak persian?
21:05<sney>one, you've been here at least 10 times. this is a english channel. you know that already.
21:05<centrx>wak a waka waka waka wak awak
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21:05<one>what?
21:05<sney>no. I cannot speak persian.
21:06<sney>even if I knew how, it would be against the rules.
21:06<one>I want to buy headphone?
21:06<oldlaptop>we don't sell headphones
21:06<oldlaptop>we support Debian
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21:07<one>I want to buy headphone?and this headphone suport debian(linux)
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21:07<oldlaptop>Most headphones don't require any kind of software support at all
21:08<sney>unless they're usb or something and even then
21:08<oldlaptop>it simply takes an analog audio signal from your soundcard
21:08<oldlaptop>USB headphones are more complicated - those are technically USB soundcards (most of which should still be supported)
21:08<jay__>guys. i used only ubuntu and a few other linux distro's before (i've new to linux) will installing and uninstalling packages be the same with debian?
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21:08<jay__>i'm* new to linux
21:09<sney>jay__: ubuntu is based on debian so you get a similar experience there. and #debian is always open for questiosn
21:09<jmcnaught>one: there is a #persian channel on irc.freenode.net (a different network) that might be aware of a persian linux/debian support channel
21:09<Guest2910>jay__: how did you install/uninstall packages on ubuntu? if you used apt-get/aptitude it's practically the same on debian
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21:09<one>jmccrohan:it s empty
21:10<sney>_on freenode_
21:10<oldlaptop>jay__: Ubuntu is a debian derivative; package management is very similar
21:10<jmcnaught>jay__: Debian has an excellent Install Guide https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/index.html.en also the Debian Reference and Debian Administrator's Handbooks are very good
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21:10<oldlaptop>I believe the ubuntu AppStore thingamadoodle is even packaged
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21:11<jay__>oh cool. i was just starting to learn how to use apt-get autoremove because i liked installing using a software manager. it was more user friendly (i like reviews). but uninstalling was awful. so i had to learn a few terminal commands to uninstall things properly
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21:11<sney>not the weird amazon thing but we do have software-center and synaptic
21:12<oldlaptop>synaptic is probably the most-used GUI package manager
21:12<oldlaptop>personally I use aptitude for everything (both an apt-foo replacement and a nice curses interface)
21:12<jay__>ok cool. software-center would be nice if it's like ubuntu because it's nice to know if it has 1 star, not to waste my time downloading and installing something
21:12<jay__>what is aptitude?
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21:13<oldlaptop>another package management utility :)
21:13<jay__>one with a rating system?\
21:13<supaplex_>I'm using kde and I'm unable to use hdmi for a/v output. I've scoured google for a while, but I keep finding 'no audio' topics, which isn't helping me thus far. Any suggestions? I'm using a lenovo laptop. see also line 50 lspci -nn here, http://paste.debian.net/110708/
21:13<sney>aptitude is another command line/console tool. it's very clever about dependencies so if you have something weird going on, it can help you get out
21:13<oldlaptop>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/aptitude
21:13<oldlaptop>non-fattening, Y2K compliant, and housebroken
21:13<oldlaptop>what more can you want
21:14<centrx>aptitude is also Y2K-compliant, non-fattening, naturally cleansing, and housebroken.
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21:14<supaplex_>aptitude out lived my dog. :`(
21:15<sney>and it has no easter eggs.*
21:15<sney>* we sear
21:15<sney>swear, even
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21:16<oldlaptop>jay__: rating/review things are probably not present outside of software-center
21:16<jay__>so you don't have to learn another package management system with debian? you can use apt-get and the software center if you'd like?
21:16<oldlaptop>Wouldn't know if those even work, I don't use software-center
21:16<oldlaptop>apt-get originated in debian l)
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21:16<jay__>but ratings and reviews matter!
21:16<oldlaptop>*;)
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21:17<jay__>coolies
21:17<oldlaptop>the friendly, absolutely not demented people in #debian-offtopic probably are happy to recommend their favorite software ;)
21:17<jay__>hehe i'll keep that in mind
21:17<jmcnaught>i don't mind tell people what software to use in here ;) i think #debian-offtopic is mostly for talking about the weather
21:18<jay__>i don't use my pc for much. i just go on reddit, youtube, and download torrents (movies, tv shows)
21:18<sney>that is a good easy use for a linux system
21:18<jay__>hooray!
21:18<oldlaptop>seamonkey, minitube, and ktorrent! (sadly seamonkey is no longer packaged in debian)
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21:19<sney>chromium?
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21:19<jay__>oh, i need flash to work properly
21:19<jay__>i tried chromium with a pepper flash package but it sucked up resources badly
21:19<oldlaptop>Debian wiki has documentation on flash
21:19<oldlaptop>it's fairly easy
21:19<jay__>i could barely run it :/ video would get choppy at 720
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21:20<oldlaptop>of course I advise you try to do without flash, because it's horrific and evil
21:20<jay__>but then i can't play simple flash games oldlaptop
21:20<oldlaptop>biggest security disaster since activex! grumble grumble
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21:20<sney>(the adobe flash plugin is available for iceweasel, which is a rebranded firefox, in non-free. if you really want it.)
21:21<jay__>a lot of sites require flash. even something simple like speedtest.net
21:21<centrx>It's easy to avoid
21:21<sney>they should feel bad about that. but many sites are getting over their flash obsession and just using html5 features and such. especially if it's just a website and they're not all amped up about drm
21:21<jay__>easy to avoid how? like i could still play flash games without flash? lol
21:21<centrx>Use youtube-dl to get videos from various sites
21:22<centrx>flash games on your desktop play a real game
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21:22<jay__>real game? i like those silly quick games sometimes. they can be a fun way to kill 10 minutes
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21:22<centrx>There are even a set of free games in Steam, now in Debian testing/unstable
21:22<centrx>*free as in beer
21:23<centrx>Much more secure, stable, and fast than Flash
21:23<jay__>i don't really play pc games. i find it uncomfortable. i have a console for gaming
21:23<oldlaptop>minitube is good for youtube stuff
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21:23<centrx>Great no games, so no Flash games
21:23<amrx>hi
21:23<jay__>but most youtube videos need flash :(
21:23<jay__>some use html5 but a lot still need flash
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21:24<centrx>Use youtube-dl, minitube, or there are at least two more I forget their names
21:24<jay__>does minitube use it?
21:24<centrx>You can watch any video on Youtube and many other video sites
21:24<jmcnaught>https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-without-flash/ this was recommended to me but i haven't tried it yet
21:24<supaplex_>jay__: how old is your old laptop? my 4 year old laptop plays 1080p (full screen) just fine, if the network can keep up
21:25<jay__>what if i want to watch a new video on cbc.ca? everything still uses flash man! lol
21:25<jay__>this pc is about 6 years old
21:25<jay__>laptop i should say
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21:26<supaplex_>jay__: paste.debian.net the /proc/cpuinfo and lspci -nn
21:26<jmcnaught>supaplex_: just a shot in the dark with your issue, but do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed? Have you tried using the HDMI out in another desktop? Maybe you could put the output of "xrandr" in a paste?
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21:27<jay__>the processor runs between 70-90% during youtube video playback or flashgames from addictinggames.com for example
21:27<oldlaptop>jay__: get-flash-videos supports some things that aren't youtube
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21:27<oldlaptop>Don't know off the top of my head if CBC is one of them
21:27<jay__>is get-flash-videos an addon for a web browser?
21:27<supaplex_>jmcnaught: installing firmware-linux-nonfree now.
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21:28<oldlaptop>jay__: a dirty hack of a perl script :P
21:28<sney>jay__: if pepperflash in chromium doesn't float your boat, you can use either a) iceweasel (firefox) with the adobe plugin or b) chrome from google. they have debian packages which work.
21:28<jmcnaught>supaplex_: that package includes firmware for radeon cards.. hopefully it does the trick
21:28<sney>flash is available, we just don't like it
21:28<oldlaptop>it's evil
21:28<oldlaptop>eeeevil
21:28<jay__>you can just install chrome from google?!
21:29<oldlaptop>Yes
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21:29<oldlaptop>although I personally wouldn't
21:29<jay__>why not?
21:29<centrx>chromium is basically the same thing
21:29<oldlaptop>(we don't have the Chrome source, who knows what they put in there)
21:29<jmcnaught>Iceweasel is better anyways
21:29<oldlaptop>chromium is functionally the same, and we have the source
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21:29<SamB>sney: I don't think Adobe likes it either
21:29<sney>indeed
21:30<SamB>oldlaptop: of course, we don't really know what they put in Flash, either, but I guess theirs is sandboxed
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21:31<jay__>ok. how do i get guaranteed flash to work when i install this new xfce debian? what should i download?
21:32<oldlaptop>flashplugin-nonfree
21:32<oldlaptop>and iceweasel (which is Firefox, and comes by default IIRC)
21:33<supaplex_>jmcnaught: interesting. xrandr triggered a kde window asking if I'd like to reconfigure my monitors. So, I did. Now the configuration dealy has hdmi and I can tell it hdmi is to the right of my built in lcd. http://paste.debian.net/110710/ Still no a/v though. If I drag a window that direction, it does not show up on the tv.
21:33<jay__>ok i'll try that. flashplugin-nonfree is what exactly? does that mean i have to buy it?
21:34<sney>!nonfree
21:34<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
21:34<zykotick9>jay__: in this case, it means non-freedom. BTW, it's in the contrib repo and not non-free ;)
21:34<supaplex_>jay__: apt-cache show flashplugin-nonfree
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21:34<jmcnaught>flashplugin-nonfree is in contrib actually
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21:35<jay__>what does contrib mean?
21:35<supaplex_>!tell jay__ about contrib
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21:36<jay__>it says the flashplugin is downloaded from adobe
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21:36<sney>yeah. it just does it in a way that still works within apt
21:36<supaplex_>jay__: basically it's someone not associated with the nonfree (just flash in this case) adding value as a giveaway (generally, but check licensing if you are piticular). the script to download that is contrib, but it's downloading nonfree content.
21:37<jay__>nonfree means, we can't see the source code?
21:38<jmcnaught>jay__: usually it means you can't see the source code, but it could be that it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines for another reason (some documentation packages fall into this category)
21:39<sney>like you can see the source code but the license prevents you from doing anything to it
21:39<sney>free software works because of very aggressive copyright law, so by that token, we also can't just violate other licenses
21:39<jay__>ohhh i see
21:39<jay__>well i'm not a programmer anyways. so i can't modify/ understand it lol
21:40<themill>it can also mean that we can't fix bugs in it
21:40<jay__>that kinda stinks
21:40<sney>sure does
21:40<sney>one reason why video drivers and flash tend to be persona non grata around here ;)
21:40<jmcnaught>jay__: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html talks about the DFSG and the sections main, contrib, non-free
21:41<themill>when you have open source meaning "look but don't touch", you aren't really getting anywhere
21:41<jay__>true enough
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21:43<oldlaptop>themill: it does at least allow you to audit the code for backdoors and suchlike
21:43<jay__>ok thanks for all the help guys. i might be back later. if not today, another. i'm going to try and install xfce now
21:43<themill>oldlaptop: yay.
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21:54<supaplex_>jmcnaught: any thoughts? I'm about ready to reboot to see if it makes any difference. http://geekofpassage.blogspot.com/2014/07/use-hdmi-on-lenovo-ideapad-z565-in.html
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21:56<jmcnaught>supaplex_: you probably need to at least restart X after installing the firmware. You could check dmesg output (grep for firmware) to see if it is successfully loaded. You might need to reload some modules, or just reboot I guess
21:57<supaplex_>yeah, I logged out of X once. I might of before I installed firmware but I don't recall. hah. bbiam.
21:57<supaplex_>or spam my blog post if you recall (and I drop off forevar etc). TIA
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22:03<supaplex_>jmccrohan: \o/ yippie! I has video on hdmi output now.
22:03<supaplex_>dpkg: jmccrohan++
22:03<sney>you are proably meaning to jmcnaught++
22:04<supaplex_>oy. yeaw.
22:04<jmcnaught>supaplex_: i'm over here :P also i noticed in your sources.list paste that you have wheezy-updates commented out on lines 18-19
22:04<supaplex_>hai :P - yeah, was on the road with my usb stick only for a while. (no internets) I guess I'll turn that back on. ^.^
22:06<supaplex_>dpkg: jmccrohan++
22:06<supaplex_>:)
22:06<jmcnaught>supaplex_: you might want to switch it to a mirror instead of the main server, it'll probably be faster and less of a load on debian's server
22:06<jmcnaught>supaplex_: that tab completion eh?
22:06<supaplex_>ffs bad irssi!
22:06<supaplex_>dpkg: jmcnaught++
22:10<supaplex_>I have a 64gb usb stick with BD-1 already on it. I have a older (6mo or so) mirror of BD-1,BD-2 packages on another system. would be nice to re-roll one usb stick for all amd64 content including a psuedo drop to allow its public_html to be my local mirror of all my VM's (eventually I'll crack at that).
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22:15<jmcnaught>supaplex_: i only understood some of those words. what's a BD-1?
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22:16<supaplex_>blueray disc 1 - I could fit bd-2 on there too, but I'm not sure how to master my own like that.
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23:07<anomie>Is there any supported version of ffmpeg (not libav) for Debian?
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23:09<centrx>no, you have to download ffmpeg from elsewhere
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23:10<Guest3325>Do you have the announcement of it's deprecation handy? I'm curious of the rationale.
23:12<centrx>libav is a fork of ffmpeg
23:13<centrx>There was a big hoo-ha-ha about it a few years ago
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23:13<centrx>"ffmpeg" is a fake cover for libav
23:13<centrx>on Debian
23:13<Guest3325>I know.
23:13<centrx>so one of the two was chosen
23:13<Guest3325>But why are Debian and Ubuntu and who-knows-who taking sides over this, and how do they decide?
23:13<centrx>and the libav people were more involved with Debian
23:14<centrx>The people who do the work decide in the first instance
23:14<Guest3325>Okay.
23:15<centrx>I think ffmpeg is clearly a better choice
23:15<Guest3325>Still, seems kind of... childish, for lack of a better word.
23:15<centrx>At the time of the fork, it was not so clear
23:15*Guest3325 nods
23:16<centrx>It's a case of a dedicated and productive but surly BDFL who was forked
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23:17<Guest3325>Isn't hacker-politics just wonderful?
23:17<lukety>alguem la brazil aqui ?
23:19<jmcnaught>!br
23:19<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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23:53<supaplex_>jmcnaught: moo?
23:54<devogenes>Hello. I've got a question. Whenever I attempt to open the root terminal, I get a loading cursor but nothing ever happens. I don't know how to access the root terminal other than by clicking the icon. Any ideas?
23:54<devogenes>having no problem accesses regular terminal
23:54<jmcnaught>supaplex_: you mooed?
23:54<supaplex_>yeah. it's working splendid now. :) http://geekofpassage.blogspot.com/2014/07/use-hdmi-on-lenovo-ideapad-z565-in.html
23:54<sney>open a reuglar terminal and type "su", hit enter, type your root password, and hit enter again.
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23:55<sney>ALTERNATIVELY, if you have sudo set up, type "sudo -i" instead and type your own password in the appropriate spot
23:55<jmcnaught>supaplex_: nice!
23:56<devogenes>sney: thanks. That worked to give me access.
23:57<devogenes>strange that the GUI icon isn't working but I suppose I'll make do.
23:57<sney>probably gksu(do) having an issue
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