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00:00<jmcnaught>jgalt: it might be better to ask in a centrallix support forum, but it looks like it might be simple path issue. You're using --prefix=/usr/local, but also "--with-centrallix-inc=/usr/lib".. maybe that should be /usr/local or /usr/local/something?
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00:01<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell jgalt -about usrlocal
00:01<jmcnaught>jgalt: check the message from dpkg, also maybe ask it about stow
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00:05<jgalt>jmcnaught: thanks, dropped the centrallix devs a note but figured I'd take a crack at it. is there an easy way to find the location a library resides in?
00:06<jmcnaught>jgalt: one that you just installed from source with "make install" you mean?
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00:07<jmcnaught>jgalt: you could try using locate
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00:09<jgalt>jmcnaught: yes. steps were:
00:09<jgalt> $ ./configure --prefix=/usr/local
00:09<jgalt> $ make
00:09<jgalt> $ make install
00:10<jgalt> the library ought be in /usr/local/lib
00:11<jgalt>ran ldconfig as root after that and it seems to have updated and listed those libs in the output
00:11<jmcnaught>jgalt: please you instead of pasting into the channel.
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00:12<jgalt>sorry 'bout that!
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00:13<jmcnaught>jgalt: like i said earlier i suspect you need to specify something other than /usr/lib for --with-centrallix-inc. Did the software come with an INSTALL or README file? If centrallix has an IRC channel or forum they might have a better idea how to build it.
00:19<jgalt>yes, but not much help there. have a few more things to poke at though.
00:20<supaplex_>I cannot seem to move a window with keyboard shortcuts (kde4). The meta+shift+h is not doing anything (tested on kmix on display 1). I'd like to shove all dialogs from display 2 and move them to display 1.
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00:25<supaplex_>ouuu xrandr --auto fixes my issue. schweet.
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01:15<us`0gb>I don't know if this is a Debian issue, or a Tor issue, but .... I have Tor and Vidalia installed. I can shut down Tor from Vidalia, but I can't bring it back up from Vidalia. The error message tells me that it's because the user "debian-tor" owns the "/var/run/tor" directory, not "us0gb", my personal user account. I found that that directory's group owner is also debian-tor, and I am in the debian-tor group, but the group does not have write perm
01:15<us`0gb>ission. I added write permission, but that didn't fix the error.
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01:16<us`0gb>It seems to want the single owner of the directory to be the user running it, but that would make it so only one user can start Tor.
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01:20<Hellmark>are there currently any issues with the pool for Sid?
01:20<Hellmark>I was getting all sorts of errors earlier, and now I keep getting broken package issues
01:20<jm_>as the topic says: testing/unstable: #debian-next
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01:34<jmcnaught>us`0gb: did you check the README.Debian file for the vidalia package?
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01:34<us`0gb>jmcnaught: No. Where would I find that?
01:34<mpourhadi>can i add a .sh file too path?
01:34<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell us`0gb -about readme.debian
01:35<us`0gb>mpourhadi: I don't think so, only directories.
01:35<us`0gb>Thanks jmcnaught!
01:35<jmcnaught>us`0gb: check the message from the dpkg bot. it's always a good idea to check this file (if it exists) for a package.
01:36<mpourhadi>for example there and i want to run it like sqldeveloper & from terminal
01:36<jmcnaught>mpourhadi: you could put the .sh file in a directory that's in your path already (/usr/local/bin for example) or you could make a ~/bin and add that to your PATH in .bashrc
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01:37<mpourhadi>if i dont want it to be global i should put it in .bashrc right?
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01:38<jmcnaught>mpourhadi: don't put the script in .bashrc. If you don't want other users to be able to read the script, you could make a ~/bin directory and add ~/bin to PATH (which you could do in ~/.bashrc)
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01:39<jm_>you could simply say alias sqldeveloper=/foo/bar/
01:39<jmcnaught>mpourhadi: and i guess also make sure your home directory cannot be accessed by others
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01:41<mpourhadi>jm_, alias is only for session until u log out right?
01:42<jm_>mpourhadi: well yes so obviously put it in shell's startup file
01:42<jm_>most people use an editor for that, but there are other ways
01:44<mpourhadi>jm_, should i put in bachrc?
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01:45<jm_>mpourhadi: wherever it needs to be to be read by shell, I recommend to read what dpkg has to say about it -- /msg dpkg bashrc
01:45<us`0gb>Vidalia's README.debian file had nothing relevant to the situation, and Tor's had pretty much nothing at all.
01:46<mpourhadi>jm_, it says i dunno
01:47<jm_>mpourhadi: who does?
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01:47<mpourhadi>jm_, google might ;) tanx anyway
01:47<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>.
01:48<jmcnaught>us`0gb: I don't use vidalia but I looked at its README.Debian. At the top it says at install time it asks a debconf question for a list of users that can connect/configure/monitor Tor. I would try "dpkg-reconfigure vidalia"
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01:51<us`0gb>jmcnaught: It didn't list my user account, so I accidentally chose my other user account. Running it again, it did nothing at all. As far as I can tell, it only gives the option to add users to the appropriate group, but I'm already in that group.
01:52<jmcnaught>us`0gb: did you log out and log back in after doing dpkg-reconfigure? the README.Debian says you only need to do two things and that's the second thing
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01:53<us`0gb>jmcnaught: It didn't give me the option to add myself to the group, as I was already in it. I'm not sure what there is to reload. I'll try anyway though.
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01:59<us`0gb>No changes.
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02:03<jmcnaught>us`0gb: sorry like I said I don't use vidalia. I did notice that the README.Debian file as 11.5 kB and when I skimmed it it did look like there were other approaches to running Tor. Maybe take another look, or wait around to see if anyone else has a better idea. There might be a Tor/Vidalia channel you could try asking in too
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02:06<us`0gb>jmcnaught: There are other ways of starting Tor (just running "tor" on the command line seems to do it), it's just a pain to switch identities and whatnot. I read that whole file, but it was all about what to do as workarounds in cases where you were not on the default configuration. I'll try the Tor channel. Thank you for your help!
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02:08<skibur>Anybody have a Thinkpad R51 - Radeon Graphics booted on normal mode without Fallback mode in Gnome 3.4.2?
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02:08<skibur>ls -l
02:09<jm_>did you install firmware needed for radeon cards?
02:09<jmcnaught>skibur: you're probably missing the radeon firmware. It's in the firmware-linux-nonfree package. has the details
02:09<skibur>I have already installed firmware-linux-nonfree
02:09<skibur>no-go still on Fallback mode.
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02:13<jmcnaught>skibur: if you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on someone might spot an error. Are you sure you don't just have the fallback selected on the GDM greeter screen? It remembers the last session type for a user.
02:13<skibur>Am I suppose to vi a config?
02:13<skibur>will do
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02:14<jmcnaught>skibur: if you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf or any files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ put them in a paste too.
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02:23<skibur>There you go.
02:23<skibur>No directory named xorg.conf.d
02:26<jmcnaught>skibur: I don't see any errors. If you run "dmesg | grep firmware" does it show any errors related to radeon?
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02:27<skibur>no errors
02:28<skibur>I'm not sure why I'm still in Fallback mode.
02:28<jmcnaught>skibur: and you're sure you don't have "GNOME Classic" selected on the GDM login screen?
02:29<skibur>I choose "Gnome".
02:30<skibur>I even reinstall Debian as of yesterday. Still on Fallback mode.
02:31<jmcnaught>skibur: I don't know. Do you have the libgl1-mesa-dri package installed?
02:31<skibur>Let me check...
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02:32<skibur>Yes I do. :*
02:32<skibur>Where is the "xorg.conf" file in Debian Wheezy 7.6?
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02:33<babilen>dpkg: enter
02:33<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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02:34<babilen>dpkg: tell skibur -about empty xorg.conf
02:34<jmcnaught>skibur: there isn't an xorg.conf file by default. Without that file xorg will autoconfigure which usually works for most people, but you can create one to override the autoconfiguration. has an example xorg.conf, but like it says you should check the linked man pages for more info
02:35<skibur>Got it.
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02:36<babilen>skibur: You might not actually want to run a 486 kernel but a 686-pae one on that hardware.
02:37<babilen>skibur: And please paste the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l firmware-linux-nonfree libgl1-mesa-dri" to
02:38<babilen>Oh, and install mesa-utils and run "glxinfo|grep -E 'render(er|ing)'"
02:38<skibur>babilen: I don't have pae supported cpu
02:38<babilen>doesn't matter
02:38<babilen>dpkg: 686-pae
02:38<dpkg>At linux-2.6 2.6.39~rc4-1~experimental.1, the 686-<bigmem> flavour was renamed to "686-pae" with the 686 flavour removed. From the package changelog: "For 686-class systems without PAE, the '486' flavour is more efficient than the '686' flavour due to optimisation for uniprocessor systems." The change allows use of the NX (No eXecute, aka eXecute Disable) bit where available. See also <nopae>.
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02:40<babilen>And I haven't checked about 3d accel support on your graphic card, but having used a T60 before I would be surprised if it doesn't work.
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02:42<skibur>babilen: glxinfo -->
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02:45<jmcnaught>skibur: I think your card is not supported by the radeon driver. The radeon man page says the oldest GPU it supports is Radeon 7000 (and yours is a 6000). Sorry about your luck.
02:46<skibur>Foot in mouth
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02:47<skibur>As far as the 686-pae, What is need to aquire sed kernel?
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02:55<skibur>jmcnaught: lspci | grep VGA --> ATI Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000], I'm confused.
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02:56<striker>anyone use kvm here?
03:01<jmcnaught>skibur: Oh you're right, that is listed as a supported GPU in radeon(4), but I'm not sure why it isn't working for you.
03:01<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell striker -about anyone
03:01<striker>I'm having difficulty using kvm on wheezy (v1.1)
03:02<striker>basically it doesn't list domains
03:02<striker>virsh list --all
03:03<striker>or virsh --connect qemu:///system list --all
03:03<striker> Id Name State
03:04<ixi>striker use
03:04<ixi>put everything there
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03:27<skibur>About the pae kernel, how do I switch to that kernel?
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04:11<guilherme>Hi I got the following error: usb 3-7: firmware: failed to load ar3k/AthrBT_0x01020200.dfu (-2)
04:12<guilherme>How can I fix it?
04:12<dpkg>apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
04:12<jm_>guilherme ^^^^
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04:15<guilherme>Uhm, anotehr question. A couple days ago a installed the kde-full package, but I think that there is a lot of programs that I do not want. Is it possible to return to the standard?
04:15<jm_>you can uninstall packages
04:16<guilherme>ok, but are there any automatic method? because I iamgine that there is lots of packages that I do not even know
04:16<jm_>how did you install it?
04:17<guilherme>aptitude install kde-full
04:17<jm_>so aptitude remove kde-full (or purge if you prefer that)
04:18<guilherme>it only removes that package, not their dependences
04:19<guilherme>I imagine it is a virtual pacakge
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04:23<guilherme>but it is ok, thanks I have to go
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04:29<grove>After removing kde-full, I'd guess that `apt-get auto-remove` would remove a lot of packages, you might want to install another kde-meta-package (I don't use kde, so I have no idea what they might be called) before doing the auto-remove
04:30<grove>Hmm..., he had left, so that was probably pointless
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04:38<jgalt>I'm trying to setup a d-link dwa-160 a2 usb wifi adapter which uses the carl9170 drivers under wheezy. on hotplug the drivers are found and loaded. what do I need to do to complete interface setup? wicd is not seeing the interface or any networks (and there are plenty of them to choose from as I'm using one from this box....
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04:39<jm_>maybe it needs a firmware - have you checked if it complains about it?
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04:42<jgalt>where would I look?
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04:42<jgalt>complains how?
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04:45<jgalt>where would I find firmware - I do see a firmware not found message in dmesg
04:46<jm_>what exactly does it say?
04:49<dpkg>The D-Link DWA-160 "Xtreme N Dual Band USB Adapter" is an 802.11n device. For revision A1 (USB ID 07d1:3c10) and A2 (USB ID 07d1:3a09) support, ask me about <ar9170>. For revision B1 (USB ID 07d1:3c11) support, ask about <rt2800usb>. Revision B2 (USB ID 2001:3c1a, Ralink RT5572 chip) is supported by <rt2800usb> since Linux 3.10; Debian 7 "Wheezy" users, ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-ralink from <wheezy-backports>.
04:50<nevyn>jgalt: ^^
04:50<nevyn>which one is it?
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04:53<linux_lv>wo qu
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04:53<Guest3464>dou bi
04:54<Guest3464>mei you shu ru fa
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04:55<linux_lv>zhe dou ke yi
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04:55<jm_>jgalt: I wanted to know the firmware related error
04:55<linux_>ni mei
04:55<liuliu>ni men dou shui
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05:01<jgalt>jm: "firmware not found"
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05:02<jm_>jgalt: uhm it gives a bit more details than that, but perhaps reading what dpkg the bot said above will be enough
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05:03<jm_>jgalt: so I was wrong and it gives no more details, how useless, just try to follow dpkg's advice
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05:06<jm_>as an example, here's how it usually looks -- usb 3-7: firmware: failed to load ar3k/AthrBT_0x01020200.dfu (-2)
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05:07<klem>hi there
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05:07<Crusher>yes gay :v
05:07<jgalt>well asking dpkg about carl9170 did it and referenced the needed package
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05:10<jgalt>nevyn: how does dpkg's responses get updated to reflect currency?
05:11<nevyn>jgalt: many many monkeys at typewriters
05:11<jgalt>carl9170 has superceeded ar9170 and only uses current firmware.
05:11<nevyn>like this
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05:13<jgalt>nevyn: I am one of those monkeys (and I don't know... shakesphere may yet pop out...) can I help update that?
05:13<nevyn>so ar9170 factoid says this already
05:13<dpkg>carl9170 is a Linux kernel driver, introduced in Linux 2.6.37, supporting draft 802.11n USB wireless LAN devices based on the Atheros AR9170 chipset. It replaces <ar9170usb>, provides improved functionality (e.g. 802.11n support) and only uses open firmware. Firmware from userspace is required (carl9170-1.fw), install the firmware-linux-free package to provide.
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05:14<nevyn>so they're linked
05:14<nevyn>you could update the reference in dwl160 by repasting it like so
05:15<jgalt>ok, they give the same factoid for either...... pasting into the channel?
05:15<nevyn>you could just do this
05:16<klem>i need a confirmation: i have a raid5 array, made of 5 disks of 1TB and 1 disk of 2TB, my end goal is to replace every 1TB by 2TB, but right now i lack the money. So, here is the idea: i have several spare 1TB around, if i create a raid0 from two of them, and use that to replace one of the 1TB in the raid5 array; then repeat this step until the raid5 is made of only 2TB (some of them being underlying raid0), that should work right? or
05:16<klem>do i miss something important?
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05:17<nevyn>!dwl160 =~ s/arl9170/carl9170/
05:17<dpkg>i didn't have anything called 'dwl160' to modify, nevyn
05:17<nevyn>!dwa160 =~ s/arl9170/carl9170/
05:17<dpkg>nevyn: that doesn't contain 'arl9170'
05:18<nevyn>!dwa160 =~ s/<arl9170>/<carl9170>/
05:18<dpkg>nevyn: that doesn't contain '<arl9170>'
05:19<jgalt> !dwa160 =~ s/<ar9170>/<carl9170>/
05:19<dpkg>jgalt: that doesn't contain '<ar9170>'
05:19<nevyn>yeah I fixed it in private with the bot. :)
05:20<jgalt>good enough, just nice to see references current when they can be.... gotta go install some firmware...
05:21<nevyn>now it's right ;)
05:21<nevyn>it said carl9160 for a while ;)
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05:45<jgalt>nevyn: ok interface is there, network shows up as unencrypted (as it should) dhcp fails on connect - fails to get an ip address.... ideas?
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05:55<nevyn>jgalt: you restarted?
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05:57<jgalt>close, real close.... but not yet!
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05:57<nevyn>have you got supplicant installed?
05:58<nevyn>also check rfkill
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05:58<nevyn>it looks like it's disabled in firmware
05:58<jgalt>interface is there and is properly scans for networks and finds the unsecured one I'm using - but won't connect.
05:58<nevyn>Jul 22 09:51:48 arm NetworkManager[671]: <warn> Unknown supplicant state 'interface_disabled'
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05:59<jgalt>what's disabled in firmware?
05:59<nevyn>or in networkmanager.
05:59<jgalt>what the interface?
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06:05<nevyn>jgalt: is this a add on card or inside a laptop?
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06:06<jm_>it's USB :)
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06:06<jgalt>this is a usb stick actually plugged into a beagle bone.
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06:08<nevyn>jgalt: what's iwconfig have to say?
06:08<jgalt>thought running network manager as root may help but it does not
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06:23<nos09>one of my package requriest mediawiki to be intalled and its intalled using apt-get but i still get error that it a mssing depeandancy !!
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06:24<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
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06:42<BluesKaj>'Morning folks
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06:50<fr33domlover>Hello. Is there any significant difference between using the mail provider's SMTP server and using my own local exim server?
06:51<fr33domlover>I'm considering to instruct people to install exim-light for a certain usage, but I want to be sure it's a reasonable request
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06:51<fr33domlover>(e.g. I have it installed because of the debian bug report app, and seems to work)
06:52<nevyn>fr33domlover: lots of sites use stupid block lists like DUL
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06:52<themill>you don't need a local MTA to use reportbug -- it can send the mail directly to debian
06:52<nevyn>that too.
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06:52<harlock>where Russian support for debian?
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06:53<fr33domlover>themill, I know, I'm just saying I had exim-light installed already as a dependency :)
06:53<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
06:53<fr33domlover>nevyn, you mean they block mail from non-popular providers?
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06:53<nevyn>they block mail from dialup users
06:53<nevyn>so ip's that are assigned to domestic users
06:54<themill>(which the ISP probably should do already)
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06:54<fr33domlover>nevyn, I think that's ok because I intend the receiving server to be my own
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06:54<fr33domlover>although in general I despise this blocking
06:54<nevyn>I dislike isp's that you can't unblock 25 incomming
06:55<themill>nevyn: as someone who dislikes spam, I quite like them
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06:55<fr33domlover>themill, there are other ways to block spam
06:55<fr33domlover>that don't hurt your freedoms
06:55<fr33domlover>like the basic freedom to run your own MTA :-)
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06:56<nevyn>so this is gonna get all vi vs emacs
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06:58<fr33domlover>I have a mail server with its own CA, so the only way to send there something via SSL is to have an MTA you control...
06:59<fr33domlover>I can't e.g. ask gmail to import my root CA certificate
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06:59<fr33domlover>unfortunately most people seem to use this gmail thing :-(
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07:04*nevyn stores his email on nsa^H^H^Hgoogle's servers
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07:06*fr33domlover uses A/I and Riseup, who care about privacy
07:07*fr33domlover unfortouantely gets mail from gmail users and send them as well, which makes their use of gmail take a way his own privacy
07:08<fr33domlover>a year after the snowden revelations, people still don't care
07:08<nevyn>it's not that I don't care.
07:08<nevyn>it's a cost benefit thing.
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07:09<fr33domlover>nevyn, which benefit is it
07:10<fr33domlover>riseup is excellent :-)
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07:14<nevyn>fr33domlover: convienience
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07:17<fr33domlover>nevyn, that's what I meant when I said people don't care - convenience comes before basic rights. It's the same reason people use proprietary software so much. I suggest you give a try if you want to protect the privacy of your friends/family and yourself. It's as good as any other mail provider, has a web UI and you can use a desktop client, etc.
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07:17<fr33domlover>any phone mail client should work, there are even some in F-Droid
07:18<fr33domlover>maybe their UI works with mobile mode, I never checked
07:18<fr33domlover>they use roundcube, iirc
07:18<SynrG>all very interesting, but OT ...
07:19<fr33domlover>ok moving this to #offtopic
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07:48<jinppk>On jessie. i recently upgraded and now suspend is broken on my laptop, its a sony vaio pro 3, gnome 3, syslog says "Exception was: TypeError: this._upClient.get_can_suspend is not a function"
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07:49<jm_>jinppk: topic says testing/unstable: #debian-next
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07:50<jinppk>jm_: ta
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09:10<James>why is the debian netcat ipv4-only :|
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09:11<Maulkin>James: because the architecture means it won't work with ipv6. Look at netcat6 instead.
09:11<themill>netcat-openbsd does ipv6
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09:14<James>Maulkin: just used to others having a swithc
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09:15<James>netcat6 worked
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09:20<oufo>sorry, focus mishap
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09:27<timmc>Well, that was disappointing. I tried to do an encrypted LVM setup of Wheezy from the Live USB graphical installer and the new system won't boot.
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09:27<timmc>I've gone through this process a number of times; I don't know what's different now. Maybe I should have used the non-live installer?
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09:29<timmc>It just dumps me to a GRUB command line, something about initramfs.
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09:31<devil>timmc: something?
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09:34<timmc>I didn't look too closely; I didn't want to futz around with GRUB at the moment -- it should have just worked, and I'd rather just use whatever installation method will work than try to fix the system.
09:34<timmc>I've done this before with Wheezy, same method.
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09:35<timmc>I can go back and try booting again if it will help debug.
09:39<timmc>It loads Linux, loads initial ramdisk, hangs on "loading, please wait" for half a minute, then fails with "gave up waiting for root device" and yells about not having been able to find the /dev/mapper/foo that it needs for that. I'm guessing that means it didn't try to unlock the LUKS partition?
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09:40<petn-randall>timmc: Try the stable, "non-live" installer. Debian Live is pretty much still in development.
09:40<timmc>Ah. :-(
09:41<timmc>So this is probably a known bug?
09:41<themill>well that depends what the bug is... you've not given us much to go on
09:41<petn-randall>timmc: Maybe, I honestly don't know. But Debian Live isn't the recommended way to install Debian.
09:42<timmc>themill: I just found which appears to describe my bug.
09:42<themill>I've seen that problem with the live installer forgetting to install the lvm2 package
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09:43<themill>You should be able to boot off the live image, mount your installation, chroot into it and check that package is installed. If it isn't, install it and rebuild the initramfs
09:43<timmc>Hmm, OK. I'll give that a try, thanks.
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09:47<timmc>themill: Wiat, that doesn't make sense. It shouldn't be looking for that device until LUKS is unlocked, right? And it never prompts me for my passphrase.
09:48<themill>so perhaps the problem is s/lvm2/cryptsetup/
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09:52<zuse>I'd also recommend to chroot and check packages + try update-initramfs
09:52<zuse>had that kind of trouble too with luks + lvm
09:53<petn-randall>Installing wheezy with LUKS+LVM worked fine for me with the plain installer, use that if you install a new system :)
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09:59<timmc>It might be faster for me to just download the regular installer and run through that again.
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10:02<timmc>Ugh, can't chroot and I don't feel like messing with linkers. Doing the install again.
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10:03<timmc>petn-randall: I just wish the website made it clear that the Live installer isn't ready.
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10:12<Honeyman>Hello. Seems I missed the moment, when apt-cache policy suddenly started to show priority 0 for every configured repository:
10:12<Honeyman>Anyone knows what could be the reason?
10:14<Honeyman>That happened even though the repositories are thoroughly configured:
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10:17<sork>hello, i am getting an IRQ 44 from my nvidia driver out of fromer testing and now sid repo. my distro is an testing/sid with systemd enabled on it :(
10:17<sork>different nvidia versions didnt help
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10:18<grove>sork: topic says: testing/unstable: #debian-next
10:18<sork>ops, sorry
10:19<sork>by the way, why isnt nvidia-glx in testing repo anymore?
10:20<grove>Honeyman: Why do you think it shows priority 0? The package from testing has priority 480, the one from stable/security has 500, the one from stable (which is also the installed one) has 990
10:20<Honeyman>Oh, disregard my question.
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10:21<Honeyman>grove: thanks, I've realized my lack of attention just at the moment.
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10:22<grove>Honeyman: I guessed that, as you couldn't possibly have typed your "disregard" in the fraction of a second it appear after I had pressed enter
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10:28<petn-randall>timmc: Indeed, that's something to be improved. As a rule of thumb: If it's on, it's "official" and production-ready unless noted. Everything on are projects that don't necessarily have official or ready status. Someone else correct if I'm wrong :)
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10:29<petn-randall>s/correct/correct me/
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10:29<sork>#debian-next seems to be dead at the moment
10:29<sork>anyone ever heard on IRQ 44 caused by nvidia drivers?
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10:30<TobiX>sork: It's not dead, but probably nobody answered because nobody knows. Maybe ask in a Nvidia forum/channel?
10:30<mjt>it picks an IRQ at random, fwiw
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10:31<sork>irq code is always 44
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10:33<TobiX>mjt: "at random" == "probably fixed for a specific hardware setup"
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10:42<lipizzan>is there an environment variable that could be used in a script to specify the ip-address of eth0?
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10:47<uso>lipizzan: depends on the context, when the script is started by e.g. the dhcp client or the network manager probably yes, otherwise probably no
10:47<flats>Running wheezy with KDE, Can I install compiz easily?
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10:48<TobiX>flats: No, compiz is dead
10:48<uso>but you always can parse the IP address from the output of ifconfig or ip address
10:48<TobiX>dpkg: tell flats about compiz
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10:48<flats>really? whats the "in" manager
10:49<mtn>flats: kde has compiz features already
10:49<flats>thats even better
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11:03<lipizzan>I borked my interface, so I missed whether anyone responded to my question about an environment variable for the IP address of the eth0 interface. Is there one?
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11:05<uso>lipizzan: depends on the context, when the script is started by e.g. the dhcp client or the network manager probably yes, otherwise probably no
11:05<uso>but you always can parse the IP address from the output of ifconfig or ip address
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11:06<TobiX>lipizzan: ip addr show dev eth0 | awk '$1 == "inet" { print $2 }'
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11:07<TobiX>lipizzan: That should be the basic idea how to get the IP address from a shell script...
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11:07<mjt>you can have as many ip addresses on eth0 as you wish, including 0
11:08<mjt>and your interfaces can be named any way too, for example mine are named eth-lan and eth-isp
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11:09<mjt>("as many as you wish" -- after about 10000 of them on one iface, adding/removing addresses becomes noticeable slow...)
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11:10<TobiX>mjt: Interesting benchmark :)
11:10<uso>mjt: you actually tried that? :)
11:10<mjt>yes i did
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11:11<TobiX>Or you can be "modern" and ask NM via DBus: "qdbus --system org.freedesktop.NetworkManager /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/1 org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.Device.Ip4Address" /s
11:11<mjt>was trying to simulate high network load from many different clients to our services. Later switched to libnet and raw network socket access.
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11:12<mjt>heh. And I for one have no NM running anywhere :)
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11:13<mjt>even on my desktop - NM does not understand network bridges which I use on the desktop to run virtual machines, so when I install it, it always reports that the network is down to all applications, and not even browser works
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11:16<lipizzan>hmm, so I need to rethink what I'm doing. My ISP gives a dynamic address to eth0. I'm trying to use sslh to have all my needed services supported over port 443. If I can know the dynamic addr, I can call services @<port>.
11:16<lipizzan>but what to do if my address changes...?
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11:17<lipizzan>I wish I could specify the iface to sslh instead of the ip.
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11:17<uso>lipizzan: add a hook to the dhcp client
11:18<uso>isc-dhcp-client e.g. has enter and exit hooks
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11:21<BluesKaj>lipizzan, you can set up a static internal IP in /etc/network/interfaces or even NM if you must. This tut is old but it should still work, but you have to disable NM or the settings in the interfaces will be over written.
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11:25<uso>lipizzan: you also may use a VPN and access your services through the VPN, so you have not to expose them to the internet at all
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11:28<lipizzan>uso: that's the idea. I have VPN, but if I multiplex it onto port 443, I'll likely be able to traverse firewalls that block access to everything but http(s) ports.
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11:34<bakednotfried>When I do apt-get purge package, how come it doesn't remove the binaries and other files associated with package?
11:34<uso>lipizzan: good point, I fortunately have not to fiddle around with such restrictive firewalls
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11:57<TobiX>lipizzan: ifupdown (the network config tool of Debian) supports hook scripts that are executed whenever an interface goes up or down. Just drop a script into /etc/network/if-up.d/ and do your stuff in there
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12:06<uso>TobiX: I'm not sure if these hooks are called when an interface gets a new IP address from dhcp. I would rather doubt that the interface temporarily goes down in that case, but I have never tested it.
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12:22<harlock_>directly with Linux can sit on the Internet?
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12:23<Brigo>harlock_, can undestand your question
12:24<harlock_>without a proxy and etc.
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12:25<harlock_>and security is normal?
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12:27<centrx>harlock_, Debian security is excellent
12:27<centrx>harlock_, You should minimize running services however, and install "fail2ban"
12:27<centrx>harlock_, And ensure you always have the latest updates from
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12:30<centrx>harlock_, That is for servers. If you are running a desktop, you are less exposed
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12:33<harlock_>Well, I set as a desktop instead of Windows
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12:33<centrx>harlock_, Yes, you just want to make sure you keep the packages up to date with security updates, and not randomly install server software you're not going to use
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12:34<centrx>Browser security is usually the main issue with desktops
12:34<uso>harlock_: debian has a rather secure default configuration, but it depends on what packages you install, if you want to read more may be a good start
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12:41<harlock_>the server does not use, no Fail2ban worth installing?
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12:42<uso>harlock_: if you don't have any services running on the system there's no need for fail2ban
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12:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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12:54<ViiCky>hola buenas tardes.. que se supone que es esto????
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12:55<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:04<harlock_>and how to get out of x1 only restart?
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13:09<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on or #defocus on
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13:13<retrospectacus>!es-social alumno
13:13<dpkg>alumno: Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
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13:14<jmcnaught>alumno: If you use Debian you can get support here in English. Are you using a different distro?
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13:20<asa1>I have an init script that isn't getting enough to shut down it's daemon on runlevel 0 or 6. Is there a way to make the system wait until it has fniished before running the rest of the scripts?
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13:24<jmcnaught>asa1: has information about Run-time dependencies. Is this a custom init script or one from a Debian package?
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13:48<uso>harlock_: No, there should be a menu item in your desktop environment to log out. But I'm not using gnome so maybe someone else may help you to find it. Or if you use not the standard desktop you at least have to tell us what desktop you use to get help.
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13:54<harlock_>and sid is already possible to use?
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13:55<jmcnaught>harlock_: some people use sid, but it breaks sometimes and you should know how to fix stuff if you're going to use it. Are you on Wheezy or Jessie?
13:55<centrx>harlock_, testing and unstable/sid are always possible to use except in emergency events where something essential breaks
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13:58<uso>harlock_: if you are new to debian and to linux in general you should stay on wheezy, you always can switch later when you are more experienced
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14:01<harlock_>Well, yes I do green while you're at sid'e?
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14:04<uso>harlock_: sorry, I'm not sure if I understand your question correctly, but this channel is for wheezy support, so the people here also use wheezy like you
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14:08<harlock_>it's all google translate)) new update? acpi-support-base 0.140-5 + deb7u1
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14:09<uso>harlock_: what's your native language? maybe it's easier to get help in your language
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14:10<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian ( (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
14:12<mjt>and debian-russian does not support utf8 :)
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14:12<harlock_>so that the update? acpi-support-base
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14:15<uso>harlock_: yes, if you have added to your sources list that's a security update for this package
14:16<harlock_>thank you
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14:46<jandr>Hello, I'm having a little issue with bind suddenly, and thought that maybe someone could lend me a hand
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14:47<jandr>When I restarted the service, it does simply not start, and does not give any errors in the logs. If I remove the "-u bind" option from /etc/default/bind9, it starts without problems. If leave the "-u", but add "-g", so logging is done on standard output, it starts normally
14:48<jandr>I just don't seem to get what might be wrong, and searching in Google or in DTS did not find anything similar
14:48<koollman>jandr: bind could be trying to open a log file and cannot do it because only root can
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14:48<koollman>(works when using root, works when not logging to a file)
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14:49<jandr>koollman, I though of that, but logging is set to use local*
14:49<jandr>anyway, I'll double check
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14:52<jandr>koollman, thanks a lot... I feel very stupid :P it was just that. All my logging is through rsyslog but just a tiny entry at the end. File permissions were right until I tried to manage that file just today with logrotate, which changed the rotated file to be owned by root
14:53<jandr>I even run strace, but missed the file access error (grepping now for it, there it is, in strace output)
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14:53<koollman>it is hard to take a step back and reconsider everything when you are 'in the middle' of a problem
14:53<jandr>specially when you've stopped serving your DNS :D
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15:06<txt-file>I have a problem with my sound input. When I enable the mic output I hear myself but when using a problem I do not get any input.
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15:18<rytra>What is the best way to allow users to automount and write to removable drives? I have automount working with pmount, but still have to be root to write any files.
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15:42<skibur>Anybody wanna take another crack on troubleshooting my Radeon Graphics from a Thinkpad R51 laptop (Debian 7.6 - Gnome 3.4.2)? I'm not sure why I'm still in Fallback Mode instead of normal mode.
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15:46<blast007>skibur: which driver are you using? and which Radeon is in there?
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15:49<towo`>possible missing firmware
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15:52<blast007>yep. skibur, if you're trying to use the open source drivers, see here:
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16:14<captainfreeky>how can i run an app under a user which has only privilage to run that app i heard chroot but i never done it if i can see an example would be better
16:14<weasel>you basically can't
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16:17<lipizzan>can I generate a ssl certificate for an apache2 webserver from openvpn's easy-rsa tools? I've already started using openvpn's PKI.
16:18<Brigo>captainfreeky, may be if you explain what you want to achieve we could help you.
16:21<captainfreeky>Well like i want to run an app differently from server under a user
16:22<captainfreeky>basicaly reading few docks where i can find better doc so i can learn and secure my server
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16:25<Brigo>captainfreeky, a regular user can modify the system, so any regular user should be ok. Just do not let him use sudo.
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16:27<captainfreeky>so you mean i need to install the application with sudo but make it run by him withour sudo
16:29<blast007>Brigo: did you mean to say "a regular user can *not* modify the sytem" ?
16:29<Brigo>blast007, of course, i am sorry :)
16:30<blast007>captainfreeky: but yes, most software can run as a regular user
16:30<Brigo>captainfreeky, yuo said running, not intalled before :)
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16:35<captainfreeky>alright so make in liek install and then running with a user who do not have sudoers right
16:36<blast007>captainfreeky: is it a specific program we are talking about?
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16:48<TobiX>lipizzan: easy-rsa is not openvpn specific. But why would you run a web server with a self-signed certificate?
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16:58<oldlaptop>if the only one who needs to trust it is yourself...
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16:59<lipizzan>TobiX: I'm cheap and it's not really hosting generally public stuff.
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17:07<jmcnaught>lipizzan: The ssl-cert also generates an SSL certificate at /etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem, but it sounds like you're also signing them with your custom CA certificate.
17:08<jmcnaught>ssl-cert package that is
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18:06<asa1>I have a Debian VM, and I'm trying to customize what happens when it receives a shutdown signal from the VM host - can anyone point me in the right direction for figuring this out?
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18:08<blast007>what is it doing, and what are you wanting it to do?
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18:09<asa1>blast007: I need to set a long delay between the SIGTERM signal and the SIGKILL signal sent to processes on shutdown, to allow a daemon more time to clean up
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18:10<asa1>from what I can tell, the default is 5 seconds between the two signals - I'm having trouble figuring out how to change that
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18:17<asa1>can anyone recommend any other places to get debian help?
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18:18<uso>asa1: I'm not sure if this is the best approach. As far as I know your daemon should have been shut down before the system starts to send SIGTERM signals to all remaining processes. Do you have a start script which shuts down the daemon? Does this script wait until the daemon is terminated properly?
18:18<blast007>I think you need to provide some more information, like perhaps part of your init script (at least the header area)
18:20<asa1>the init script is here:
18:20<asa1>as a test, if I remove all other linked scripts from /etc/rc6.d, then tell it to reboot, the init script does shut down successfully eventually
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18:21<asa1>and there's a good chance I'm correctly understanding how the shutdown sequence works in Debian (or any sysv Linux)
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18:24<asa1>I mean there's a good chance I'm **not** understanding it . . . but you guys probably knew what I meant :)
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18:27<uso>asa1: I'm not sure how start-stop-daemon behaves when a daemon needs a long(er) time to shut down. When you shut down your daemon manually whith the init script does the script return immediately before the daemon process is terminated or does it wait until the daemon has stopped?
18:27<asa1>if I run it manually, it waits on the "mosctl shutdown" line, which is what it's supposed to do
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18:29<uso>asa1: ok, that looks good then
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18:30<uso>asa1: then there is probably the header which needs some tuning, especially Required-Stop and Should-Stop
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18:31<uso>you can try "Required-Stop: $network", but you probably should read about what targets are there available to make the proper dependencies
18:32<uso>I'm not an expert for init scripts, I only can point you at this
18:32<asa1>uso: thanks, I'll read up on those
18:32<blast007>there's some info about it here:
18:33<asa1>uso: I've also been in touch with the developer that wrote the script, but he didn't have any suggestions
18:33<blast007>asa1: and if you run the init script manually with the 'stop' action, does it successfully bring down your daemon?
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21:32-!-us`0gb is "" on #debian-security #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-mirrors #debian #
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21:34<striker>is there a particular grsec kernel that works well on debian stable?
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21:35<somiaj>striker:, looks like it isn't offically in debian
21:36<striker>yeah, I tried mempo, sound doesn't even work
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21:36<striker>which is an unofficial one
21:36<somiaj>yea I saw that as one of the unoffical ones. It seems like it is only recent it works, sure they are buidling kernels against wheezy?
21:37<somiaj>acording to teh wiki seems the Corsac repos might be a bit better built
21:37<striker>yeah but the link is broken :(
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21:40<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.15-trunk-686-pae (3.15.5-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); jessie: 3.14-1-686-pae (3.14.12-1); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.1-686-pae (3.14.12-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u1); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
21:41<somiaj>striker: looks like the offical gsecurity patches are bulit for the 3.2.X kernel tree so maybe you'll just have to compile a custom kernel with the patches
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21:46<striker>not sure how to do that
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21:54<striker>will it be easier in debian testing?
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21:55<jmcnaught>striker: it's probably the same process in wheezy as it would be in testing, with the downside that testing changes more often and you wouldn't want to use it on a server
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21:56<striker>oh ok
21:57<jmcnaught>striker: there's a kernel handbook: you might be interested in
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22:44<ftc->I did a "apt-get upgrade" from 7.3 to 7.6. Now my system won't boot when the esata HDD is plugged in (secondary HDD). Boot fine if its unplugged. It gets stuck right at "Loading, please wait..." Anyone got any ideas where to look? Something to do with grub?
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22:45<ftc->Hmm, after a while it says: task busybox: 202 blocked for more than 120 seconds
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22:46<jmcnaught>ftc-: you should pick one network and not ask in both of them
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22:47<ftc->how come?
22:50<jmcnaught>ftc-: because mostly the same people are on both networks, and it leads to two separate discussions of the same issue which is confusing. Cross-posting like that is also considered to be rude.
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22:53<jmcnaught>ftc-: is GRUB installed on the external drive perhaps?
22:54<uso>ftc-: just to be sure, check if you have UUIDs for the disks in your grub.cfg and fstab and not device names
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22:55<ftc->jmcnaught: grub isn't on the external drive, i wonder if the upgrade might have put it there?
22:55<ftc->uso: yeah i'm using UUIDs
22:56<ftc->if i boot up then plug the drive in, lsblk doesn't see it as esata, but does using usb
22:56<ftc->so maybe a driver issue i guess?
22:57<ftc->also when i plug it in using esata the kernel msgs refer to it as a usb device for some reason
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23:01<grummund>Hi, in xfce power manager, When power button is pressed: the only options are "Nothing" and "Ask".
23:01<grummund>how can i set this to hibernate, or is that not possible?
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23:07<jmcnaught>ftc-: do you have MODULES set to "most" or "dep" in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ?
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23:12<ftc->jmcnaught: most. i'm starting to wonder if its a 3tb GPT issue or something, i can't read the partition table when plugged in with usb.
23:12<ftc->seems like too much of a coincidence that the hdd would get corrupted exactly when i reboot after upgrade
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