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00:30<LordBrain>Hello. I am looking at installing an input method for writing ancient languages, like runes and heiroglyphs. --> https://github.com/emk/ibus-ancient/blob/master/install.sh
00:31<LordBrain>But I notice that they place files directly in /usr/share/ibus-tables, and it seems more debian like to put this in /usr/local/share/ibus-tables.
00:31<LordBrain>The issue is, if i do this, does ibus know to look in /usr/local/share ?
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02:20<l5>finally, man that was a battle getting here
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02:24<somiaj>LordBrain: yes /usr/local/foo and /usr/foo should both be honored. I am unsure if that paticular software would know, but my guess is it does. Have you tried it?
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02:25<LordBrain>I did not try it
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02:33<LordBrain>what about /usr/share/m17n
02:33<LordBrain>if i put stuff in /usr/local/share/m17n, you think that will just work?
02:33<LordBrain>I'm going to try it...
02:35<LordBrain>I couldn't, the installer doesnt work, it failed with a python error on File "/usr/share/ibus-table/engine/tabcreatedb.py", line 331
02:36<LordBrain>sigh
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02:36<LordBrain>sqlite3.OperationalError: unable to open database file
02:36<LordBrain>perhaps i need a python sqlite package
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02:44<Lain>apt-g*cache search python-sqlite
02:44<Lain>apt-cache search python-sqlite
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02:46<LordBrain>i needed to install sqlite3 and some python packages apparently, but it's still giving me an error
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02:49<LordBrain>the program ibus-table-createdb is undocumented, it is just a wrapper on /usr/share/ibus-table/engine/tabcreatedb.py
02:49<LordBrain>which is also undocumented
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02:50<LordBrain>installing ibus-doc package
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02:52<LordBrain>still no docs on that
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02:53<john>Hello
02:54<LordBrain>ibus-doc just describes the OO class hierarchy for ibus
02:54<john>???
02:54<LordBrain>you use ibus john?
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02:55<john>Sure, where do I begin?
02:55<LordBrain>do you know how to use /usr/share/ibus-table/engine/tabcreatedb.py ?
02:55<LordBrain>I'm trying to debug an installer for an input method, i got from github: https://github.com/emk/ibus-ancient
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02:57<LordBrain>At first, i was just modifying it to install to /usr/local/ instead of /usr, but i discovered the install.sh script doesn't actually work, in particular i get errors whenever i try to use tabcreatedb.py. Different errors depending on what i do with it.
02:58<LordBrain>Actually, i ran it unaltered, and it gave no errors
02:58<john_>Do you have access to the source file?
02:59<LordBrain>seems to work as intended, as long as i run it unaltered
02:59<LordBrain>hmm?
02:59<LordBrain>yeah
02:59<LordBrain>see the link above, that is the github
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02:59<LordBrain>oh do you mean the source to tabcreatedb.py? that is a python file, it is the source for itself.
03:00<john_>Yeah, the file that "powers" the program
03:01<LordBrain>The only alteration i made was to create the appropriate directories in /usr/local/ and use change the /usr paths to /usr/local ones in the install.sh
03:01<LordBrain>which specific program are you asking about? I have the source to everything really
03:02<john_>Nevermind, sorry just trying to be helpful.
03:02<LordBrain>look
03:02<LordBrain>i'll paste bin the alteration
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03:05<LordBrain>http://pastebin.com/aUi7GHuW
03:05<LordBrain>There
03:05<LordBrain>now you have both the github, and my modification....
03:05<LordBrain>the problem is things go wrong on the step where it calls ibus-table-createdb
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03:05<LordBrain>if you want, try it, and see what i mean
03:06<LordBrain>if I leave everything in /usr, and just run the program, it apparently installs fine
03:06<LordBrain> /usr and /usr/share
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03:34<maher77>hi
03:34<maher77>how unmont external driver
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03:36<maher77>please, how unmount external driver ?
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03:37<maher77>please, how unmount external driver ?
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03:41<maher77>please, how unmount external driver ?
03:42<bhuddah>maher77: don't spam... please.
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03:42<bhuddah>damn...
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04:14<palermo991>Can I have some suggestions on methods of sniffing serial and usb traffic on GNU/Linux? A windows virtual machine will be using this port so I can reverse engineer a device driver.
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04:20<jm_>palermo991: look at usbmon
04:21<palermo991>jm_, thankyou, i'll have a look.
04:21<jm_>palermo991: http://wiki.wireshark.org/CaptureSetup/USB also has useful info (including windows specific tools)
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04:31<palermo991>Hello
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05:36<nano>I'm the author of a packaged software that's scheduled for removal. I've updated my application accordingly and I'm just waiting for the maintainer to pick up on the changes. He has however not answered yet and I fear that my application will be removed even if it has been modified to meet the requirements. What to do?
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05:38<petn-randall>nano: Which software is that?
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05:41<nano>petn-randall: https://packages.qa.debian.org/a/abraca.html
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05:43<nano>I'm still polishing on the last pieces. With much luck a release today, less luck, release wednesday 30:th next week or thursday 31:st next week.
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05:46<petn-randall>nano: If you have fixed the RC bug, you can e-mail to that bug that you're the upstream author and that it's fixed in the new release.
05:46<petn-randall>nano: Even if the maintainer is gone for some reason, someone will be able to see that and do a NMU (non-maintainer update).
05:49<babilen>nano: And it is simply being scheduled for removal from testing. New versions can still be uploaded to unstable and will then transition when ready. I second petn-randall's suggestion to write a mail to the bug report in question though (#709710 I guess)
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06:08<nano>babilen, petn-randall: Thanks for the good answers. I feel relieved :)
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06:10<babilen>nano: No worries -- All Debian cares about is that maintained software makes it into the next stable release so that we don't get stuck with packages that we cannot fix in case there are bugs.
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07:00<BluesKaj>'Morning folks
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07:03<lalit>hello
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07:26<sreyan32>can someone tell me the difference between "echo *" and "ls" ????
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07:27<sreyan32>both these commands give exactly the same output ?? is there any difference between them ?
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07:28<Zaba>well, yes, there is difference
07:28<sreyan32>Zaba, what is it ???
07:28<Zaba>ls accepts flags, for example
07:29<sreyan32>Zaba, the only difference i get is that ls produces a colored output and echo * does not give any colored output
07:29<Zaba>try ls -l, for example
07:30<sreyan32>Zaba, ls -l gives the entire information about files and folders present but cant you do that with echo somehow ?
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07:30<planetmaker>echo "`ls -l`"
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07:32<sreyan32>planetmaker, the command that you gave me works just as "ls -l"
07:33<sreyan32>planetmaker, when I type "echo *" and when I type ls do they work in the same way ? because they certainly give the same output
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07:34<planetmaker>sreyan32, echo just outputs to screen whatever arguments you provide. And * expands to a list of all files in the current dir
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07:35<planetmaker>* expanding to a list of files a feature of the shell you use - and unrelated to what echo does
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07:35<sreyan32>planetmaker, then if it is a feature of the shell how come echo is able to do it ???
07:36<sreyan32>planetmaker, or rather why should echo be able to do it ???
07:36<planetmaker>your shell does it in which you type the commands...
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07:39<sreyan32>planetmaker, btw how do you add newline characters in echo strings ? I have tried the following and it does not work "echo-e hello \n world"
07:39<jm_>echo -e 'hello\nworld'
07:40<sreyan32>jm_, why doesnt it work with spaces ???
07:41<sreyan32>jm_, sorry it works with spaces
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07:41<jm_>sreyan32: it's got nothing to do with spaces and everything to do with quotes, try reading some document(s) about unix shells
07:42<jm_>!abs
07:42<dpkg>[abs] The Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide, an in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting, can be found at http://tldp.org/guides.html#abs . Packaged for Debian as abs-guide in non-free, ask me about <non-free sources>. See also <bash faq>, <bash pitfalls> or ask in #bash on irc.oftc.net and irc.freenode.net.
07:42<hblack>hi if you please help me my wine does not work
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07:44<sreyan32>jm_, it works without quotes but then the escape character \n is not recognized. Why does that happen ??
07:44<hblack>hi if you please help me my wine does not work
07:44<hblack>hi if you please help me my wine does not work
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07:45<jm_>sreyan32: please read ABS guide (see above)
07:46<hblack>ok
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07:52<sreyan32>jm_, can you please tell me why echo `ls -l` produces the output of echo "`ls -l`" BUT only without any new lines characters ???
07:52<sreyan32>jm_, Whats the difference between them ???
07:53<sreyan32>does double quotes mean add single line characters ???
07:53<sreyan32>sorry i meant new line characters
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07:56<sreyan32> can you please tell me why echo `ls -l` produces the output of echo "`ls -l`" BUT only without any new lines characters ???
07:57<planetmaker>hblack, your error description is *way* too vague to even start thinking about an answer
07:58<planetmaker>!ask
07:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:58<sreyan32>can you please tell me why echo `ls -l` produces the output of echo "`ls -l`" BUT only without any new lines characters
07:59<hblack>Fin de la conversation
07:59<sreyan32>does double quotes mean add new line characters ???
07:59<hblack>hi if you please help me my wine does not work
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08:01<TobiX>sreyan32: Please, read the shell guide jm_ linked you, this isn't something that can be explained in 2-3 lines in IRC
08:02<TobiX>hblack: "does not work" is not an error description. Please tell us what you want to do, what you think the expected output should be, link us to error messages pasted to paste.debian.net, etc.
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08:03<hblack>me my wine does not work
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08:03<jm_>sreyan32: word splitting etc
08:04<planetmaker>... hblack this won't get you anywhere, if you can't describe your problem
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08:06<grove>hblack: It doesn't become any more of an error description from repeating. But your "Fin de la conversation" makes me believe english is not your first language (it ain't mine either), if you tell us what your first language is, maybe we can direct you to a place where you can get help in that language?
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08:27<spifff>I just tried doing an aptitude update on a wheezy armel install, and am now getting intermittent SIGILL during configuration of various packages. The first package to fail was libc6-2.13-38+deb7u3. How do I go about rolling this back to 2.13-38+deb7u1? apt-get install libc6=2.13-38+deb7u1 complains that there are half-configured packages
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08:33<TobiX>spifff: Probably best to get the libc6 package and extract libc-2.19.so manually, then finish the "upgrade" and roll back properly...
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08:34<spifff>hm, dpkg -i on the previous .debs from /var/cache seems to have worked…
08:38<spifff>would it be fair to assume that this is some sort of bug in the updated libc6 package?
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09:00<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to install pepperflashplugin-nonfree on my laptop (wheezy) - I've added backports as per my desktop machine but the package isn't showing.
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09:00<petn-randall>,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
09:00<judd>Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.5; sid/contrib: 1.5
09:01<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Have you enabled the 'contrib' section?
09:01<EmleyMoor>Ah, it's just shown
09:01<petn-randall>Ah, my favourite type of bug: those that fix themselves ;)
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09:01<EmleyMoor>Seems I needed to "Reload" twice
09:05*EmleyMoor is now REALLY impressed with chromium
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09:10<EmleyMoor>Dogs going mad outside again
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09:29<canaima>hola a todos soy nuevo en esto tengo la canaima de liceo y le descargue esta aplicacíon por gestor de paquetes synaptic
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09:37<devil>!es
09:37<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:29<king>any debian experts here i need one help
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11:32<retrospectacus>!ask
11:32<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:34<SrK>I'm trying to get a wifi antenna working on debian stable, it requires firmware. When running lsmod I get the following line: [11880.227549] usb 3-3: firmware: agent aborted loading htc_9271.fw (not found?). Where should I put the .fw?
11:35<retrospectacus>SrK: apt-get install firmware-atheros
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11:36<retrospectacus>SrK: it is available in non-free:
11:36<SrK>requires non-free repo?
11:36<retrospectacus>!non-free sources
11:36<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
11:36<SrK>But the firmware I downloaded is open
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11:37<gsimmons>SrK: The open firmware for ath9k_htc currently isn't packaged. You can move that to /lib/firmware for use by the driver.
11:38<retrospectacus>hm, well try putting it in /lib/firmware/
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11:38<SrK>ok, I also was unable to compile the driver
11:39<SrK>what pastebin can I use?
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11:39<musca>SrK: http://paste.debian.net
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11:39<gsimmons>SrK: You shouldn't need to compile the driver, as it's part of the Linux kernel. Have you seen https://wiki.debian.org/ath9k_htc/open_firmware ?
11:40<SrK>http://paste.debian.net/111442/http://paste.debian.net/111442/
11:40<SrK>Ok, that's what I thought because of the output from lsmod
11:41<gsimmons>SrK: Linux 3.1.7? Which version of Debian are you using?
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11:43<SrK>wheezy
11:43<gsimmons>SrK: It looks like you're attempting to install a vendor-supplied driver. Assuming you're using Debian, the ath9k_htc driver is already present and supports Atheros AR9721-based wireless LAN devices. There isn't any need to compile/supply a driver.
11:43<SrK>thanks
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11:45<somiaj>and the kernel in wheezy is 3.2.x, you have a strange kernel you are running if it is really 3.1.7. Does uname -a really say you are running a 3.1.7 kernel?
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11:45<SrK>Linux debian 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u1 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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11:45<gsimmons>somiaj: Looks like it was an example (static) version stated in the Makefile.
11:45<SrK>copying the firmware to /lib/firmware was all I needed to do, thank you all.
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12:19<fransis>hola
12:20<somiaj>!es
12:20<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:21<Brigo>fransis, there is a #debian-es channel too if you prefer it
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12:32<SrK>someone on the #tor room pmed me this: "?OTRv23?", looks like that version of pidgin-otr has a vulnerability that allows remote execution of arbitrary code. Should I report this?
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12:33<centrx>SrK, #oftc
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13:06<retrospectacus>sergio_: hi
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13:07<whathafack>whats up
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13:08<retrospectacus>whathafack: welcome to #debian. If you have a debian support question, just ask! If you just want to chat, please go to #moocows.
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13:55<abhinesh>hi
13:55<abhinesh>any lady to chat
13:55<abhinesh>pls reply
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13:55<abhinesh>hello
13:55<abhinesh>any one there
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13:56<jimpop>lol
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14:04<str1ker>Default apparmor profiles on 13.1 block the conf file used by dnsmasq for default KVM networking
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14:05<jmcnaught>str1ker: 13.1?
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14:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 676] by debhelper
14:07<str1ker>I mean
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14:07<str1ker>2.7
14:07<sudo>what's the best linux version?
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14:08<towo`>sudo, linux 3.16-rc6
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14:08<str1ker>im on debian stable
14:08<sudo>what about ubuntu?
14:09<str1ker>ubuntu solves this problem I suggested
14:09<str1ker>saw a bug report
14:09<sudo>which one?
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14:09<str1ker>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apparmor/+bug/697239
14:09<centrx>Fabulous, go try it. As long as you use linux version 3.16-rc6
14:09<jmcnaught>str1ker: i've only dabbled with apparmor, but you can edit the profile no?
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14:10<sudo>i dont know actually
14:10<sudo>:P
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14:10<str1ker>complain mode doesn't seem to do the trick
14:10<str1ker>at least
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14:11<sudo>how do you edit it?
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14:13<sudo>str1ker how to edit it and make it right?
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14:13<str1ker>im on debian
14:13<str1ker>your using ubuntu?
14:13<sudo>yeah
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14:13<str1ker>update it
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14:14<sudo>then that must have been taken care of already
14:14<jmcnaught>sudo: this channel only supports Debian. For Ubuntu support you should go to #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net
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14:17<Anonymous>Join 456
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14:27<str1ker>wow ok complain mode may have worked
14:27<str1ker>I am not sure exactly what I did though
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14:27<Danny>hey
14:28<Danny>any body home
14:28<str1ker>sorta
14:28<Danny>?
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14:28<Danny>guys???
14:28<centrx>nope
14:28<str1ker>nah
14:28<Danny>hahaha
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14:29<Danny>centrx u from>
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14:29<Danny>strlker u from>
14:29<Danny>?
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14:29<str1ker>the land of narnia
14:29<Danny> lolx im from hell xD
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14:30<jmcnaught>Danny: this is a support channel, not a social one. If you need help with Debian feel free to ask (detailed) questions. Otherwise you might look for a different channel if you just want to chat
14:30<sudo>jmcnaught said it right...
14:30<sudo>(Y)
14:32<sudo>can anybody suggest me some good channels where i can get help and befriend amateur programmers and algorithmists?
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14:36<centrx>sudo, #programming on Freenode
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14:40<sudo>centrx it's empty
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14:40<sudo>there is no one
14:40<Danny>o i c
14:40<Danny>sorry
14:40<Danny>i m new here
14:40<sudo>i am new to irc
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14:40<Danny>so i dont know
14:40<sudo>"/join #programming"
14:41<Danny>jmcnaught????????//
14:41<jmcnaught>sudo: freenode is a different network. You're on OFTC right now
14:41<retrospectacus>it is on Freenode, not here.
14:41<Danny>jmcnaught????????????????????????
14:41<retrospectacus>" /server +chat.freenode.net "
14:41<jmcnaught>Danny: yes? there are lots of other IRC networks and channels, use a search engine if you need help finding one.
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14:42<Danny>suggest me a good compiler for c
14:43<Danny>and a ide for sql
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14:44<sudo>jmcnaught how do you change that?
14:44<Danny>???????????????
14:44<Danny>?
14:44<Danny>???
14:44<Danny>man answer me
14:45<Danny>please
14:45<retrospectacus>!irc tutorial
14:45<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html . See also "The IRC Prelude": http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/new2irc.html
14:45<sudo>Danny use gcc compiler
14:46<sudo>comes with codeblocks ide
14:46<Danny>ty and for sql???
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14:46<sudo>mysql server
14:47<sudo>if you are an aspiring programmer
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14:47<sudo>I suggest you use linux
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14:47<sudo>all the compilers,most of them, come packaged with it
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14:47<Danny>yes thats why i switched linux
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14:48<Danny>oo i c
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14:48<Danny>thanku sir
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14:49<Danny>is the c programing of linux and window is same ??? i mean i cant find any header files for linux
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14:50<jmcnaught>Danny: you can search for packages available in Debian here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages You might also try using a regular search engine to look for an SQL ide or front end, and then try to find a package for it in Debian. Please read up on IRC etiquette though, and recognize that everyone here is a volunteer. There's lots of great documentation for Debian that you could also read.
14:50<grummund>Hi, would there be a way to print succesive web pages to a single pdf file? for example to keep a record when completing a multi-page web form.
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14:51<grummund>(in Windoze i used pdfcreator for this, which allows to stack up successive prints to a single file)
14:51<Danny>thanks man
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14:52<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell Danny -about grounding
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14:52<Danny>are u admin or some person like that???
14:52<Danny>sudo and dpkg arent you comands????
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14:53<Danny>jmcnaught are u a human or a software that reply???
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14:55<jmcnaught>Danny: I'm just a regular user. dpkg here is a bot. You're starting to bother me so unless you have some specific questions I'm going to start ignoring you. I suggest you read the Debian Reference and/or Debian Administrator's Handbook (both are available online or as packages).
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14:55<sudo>yeah i am
14:55<sudo>i just came out of the machine :D
14:55<retrospectacus>grummund: pdftk will concatenate PDF files
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14:57<sudo>jmcnaught how do i join channels in other networks?
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14:57<sudo>what's the command for that?
14:57<Danny>jmcnaught sorry man for that and thanks for your help now ill not distrub u unless it is nessesory
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14:57<blast007>sudo: read the documentation for your IRC client, but generally it is /server or there may be a GUI option.
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14:58<Danny>sudo :D man xD
14:58<Danny>sudo
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14:58<Danny>gogt server > list of channels and join
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14:58<sudo>server>
14:58<sudo>gogt server >
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14:58<Danny>>list of channels then
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14:58<Danny>>search
14:58<Danny>i mean goto
14:59<retrospectacus>it depends what IRC client you're using. Read the manual
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14:59<Danny>>server>list of channel>search
14:59<retrospectacus>that is *not* how to connect to a different server
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14:59<retrospectacus>regardless of IRC client
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15:02<robin>hello
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15:03<robin>I need some heavy support if possible. I get no sound from my computer. I deleted the alsa configuration file and restarted and I still have no sound. Audio levels are up.
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15:05<blast007>!alsa checklist
15:05<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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15:06<robin>kk, trying now.
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15:06<blast007>robin: and did sound ever work? and what version of Debian?
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15:06<robin>Yes. Jessie.
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15:07<blast007>Jessie support would be handled in #debian-next
15:07<robin>Okay.
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15:17<grummund>retrospectacus: thanks. i thnk maybe i should be looking for a mozilla plugin
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15:18<retrospectacus>that seems unlikely to exist. Printing each page to pdf and concatenating them is simple
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15:20<grummund>how would you automate it?
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15:22<retrospectacus>I wouldn't
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15:36<skibur>Hi
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15:41-!-mode/#debian [+o babilen] by ChanServ
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15:41-!-mode/#debian [-o babilen] by ChanServ
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15:44<canaima>hola
15:44<retrospectacus>!es canaima
15:44<dpkg>canaima: Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat
15:44<canaima>si
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15:59<Dinosaurio>Hi there.
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16:00<Dinosaurio>(j #oftc
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16:05<ik>hi
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16:42<spippi>hi
16:42<retrospectacus>hi spippi. Do you have a debian support question?
16:42<spippi>yes
16:43<spippi>but i have good italian chat comunity
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16:43<spippi>and very good teacher
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16:43<spippi>the better
16:43<spippi>thank you
16:43<spippi>where are you from
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16:46<retrospectacus>hi spippi. Do you have a debian support question?
16:46<spippi>no thanks
16:46<spippi>ahahaaha
16:47<retrospectacus>then please be quiet.
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16:48<spippi>ok
16:49<spippi>ihiihihihihihihih
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20:08<semente>how could I install latest Python in Debian Wheezy?
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20:11<AlexLikeRock>yes
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20:11<AlexLikeRock>edit your file /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:12<AlexLikeRock>coment "#" line stable OR testing line , and add " SID " line of sources semente
20:12<AlexLikeRock>apt-get update
20:12<AlexLikeRock>and
20:12<AlexLikeRock> apt-get install <pakage>
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20:12<AlexLikeRock>thent edit again
20:13<AlexLikeRock>coment "SID " line and
20:13<AlexLikeRock>uncoment ESTABLE
20:13<AlexLikeRock>sear in youtube or google
20:13<AlexLikeRock>"how to change repositories insdebian"
20:13<AlexLikeRock>good luck semente ;-)
20:14<AlexLikeRock>by the way ....
20:14<AlexLikeRock>do a apt-get update again , whe you get STABLE againg :D
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20:21<semente>thanks a lot AlexLikeRock, but I won't use a package from sid :)
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20:22<uso>AlexLikeRock, semente: I don't think this is a good advice, you may screw up your system that way
20:22<semente>I can't be sure it will always work in wheezy
20:22<semente>exactly
20:22<Brigo>semente, installing new python version could break your system
20:23<Brigo>semente, are you from Spain?
20:23<semente>Brigo, Brazil
20:23<AlexLikeRock>uso, yes, but its for a one pakage
20:23<uso>semente: you can try to backport it, but I would assume you will backport some dependencies
20:23<Brigo>semente, semente = seed?
20:23<semente>Brigo, exactly! :)
20:23<Brigo>semente, i am from Galicia ;)
20:23<AlexLikeRock>uso, i crew all my sistem , because i upgrade "all my OS "
20:24<Brigo>checkbackports python3
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20:24<semente>there is no backport for python 3 :/
20:24<uso>AlexLikeRock: no, on a short look I think it would upgrade libc6 as a dependency, not thinking about what that would mean for a wheezy installation ;)
20:24<AlexLikeRock>im from méxico ;-)
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20:24<AlexLikeRock>uso, :-S
20:25<AlexLikeRock>you now a other way ?
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20:25<semente>I once installed python from pip or easy_install in a virtualenv.. but it was a version 2. now I'm getting a error
20:25<uso>semente: I assume you talk about python3?
20:26<Brigo>semente, what do you need python for?
20:26<semente>yes!
20:26<semente>Brigo, work, web dev.. :)
20:26<semente>Brigo, our platform runs on python3
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20:27<Brigo>did you try a container?
20:27<themill>semente: python3 is in wheezy already
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20:27<semente>themill, but it is python 3.2. I need >=3.3
20:27<themill>semente: can you help us understand why?
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20:28<themill>(there's no easy solution to this, so it would help us help you if we could know some more)
20:28<semente>themill, we get some issues in our platform if using python <3.3. and also some packages don't work in 3.2, only in 3.3+
20:28<themill>Looks like you're headed towards making a virtualenv with your own python in it. Remember to keep track of security updates in it...
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20:29<Brigo>semente, did you try a container?
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20:30<semente>Brigo, I could use one, but was looking for a simple solution for the developers that work on debian wheezy (me including). currently the system is running on ubuntu 14.04 LTS in production
20:31<Brigo>you have developers with wheezy and server with ubuntu? weird :)
20:31<semente>Brigo, btw, I would visit Galicia some day! :)
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20:32<Brigo>semente, you will love it! :)
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20:33<Brigo>semente, i think you can try to install it in /usr/local/bin, and rename it as python3-dev or so.
20:33<semente>Brigo, it is because we use virtualenv.. we have all packages in same version but python (some use 3.2 and some 3.3+). it is not a big problem, better for the dev because they can choose their distro
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20:36<semente>Brigo, I tried things like that but with no success..
20:37<semente>well, I think I can deal with 3.2 until Jessie get frozen. it is just some minor issues we have during development like the dev server being restarted but that is ok :)
20:37<semente>thanks everyone!
20:37<Brigo>did you say you need python 3.3? in testing and sid is 3.4
20:37<uso>semente: I would install jessie in a chroot, shouldn't be much work, but then there's the question if you want to keep that up-to-date :)
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20:38<uso>3.4 == 3.3+ :P
20:38<Brigo>uso, ah :)
20:39<Brigo>semente, here you have what to compile it: http://www.extellisys.com/articles/python-on-debian-wheezy
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20:42<Brigo>semente, better solution using checkinstall in the second answer: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110014/how-to-install-the-latest-python-version-on-debian-separately-or-upgrade
20:43<uso>Brigo: nice finding, sounds like you could just compile it on wheezy without needing newer versions of other packages or additional dependencies
20:43<themill>for python, you're probably better off with a virtualenv than something in /usr/local
20:43<semente>Brigo, thanks brigo! I will give it a try!
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20:44<hunter>hiu
20:44<Brigo>and it looks like python3 can be backported to wheezy.
20:44<Brigo>semente, if you want to try sid simple backport:
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20:44<Brigo>!tell semente about ssb
20:45<hunter>h
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20:51<semente>tks ;)
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20:54<uso>semente: I wouldn't mess with the python version in the system, even when python3 probably has less impact on it than python2, I would install it outside of the system tree
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20:56<semente>uso, yeah, I see. I will try first install it in some virtualenv or in my ~/.local
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20:59<themill>While you can backport the "python3" and "python3.4" packages, you can't easily deal with the breakage of other packages that use python3. Moving to newer versions of python3 is less painful than it was for python2, but there is still pain involved
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21:04<SamB>uso: isn't it lovely that python2 is never bumping again?
21:05<uso>SamB: you never can be sure :)
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21:08*SamB wonders what's going on with libc on s390[x] and their setjmp()/longjmp() stuff ...
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21:09<pen>can anyone help with a failed live DVD of 7.6 gnome amd64?
21:09<pen>failed install I meant to say
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21:14<uso>pen: try to install debian from a normal installation CD, not from a live version, the installation from the live version isn't as mature and are more likely to fail
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21:25<pen>I am just trying to bring up a live version to test it out, but it won't work.
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21:25<pen>I tried 7.5 on 64 bit machine and video did not work properly.
21:26<pen>7.6 the video seems to work, but no menus for gnome
21:26<pen>7.5 works fine on an old 32 bit machine I have
21:26<pen>both live dvd and install
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21:27<negativezero>So I just did a ~4-month dist-upgrade (on testing), and the results were pretty deep in "superficially catastrophic" territory.
21:27<pen>I am using a gigabyte ga85m-d3h mother board, which is not on the list
21:28<pen>Could that be the problem? Should I give up?
21:29<pen>web has very little information on this, mostly old stuff, so I am here hoping someone can give me a tip
21:29<negativezero>For one, the boot progress framebuffer console stopped rendering anything visible (although, curiously, it still echoed *s for cryptsetup password entry).
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21:30<negativezero>More dramatically, systemd seems to be configured in a way that makes it refuse to boot if any device mentioned in fstab is not present. This is divergent from the previous behaviour
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21:31<negativezero>on top of that, single-user mode broke (it allows you to "log in", but spawns new prompts for the root password any time I tried to type anything)
21:33<pen>BTW, both latest Mint and Xubuntu and Fedora 20 and Windows 7 pro work fine on that machine
21:33<pen>Only Debian fails to start
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21:39<negativezero>Is there any way to make systemd not abort on failure of an fstab entry?
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21:45<wakd>negativezero, the topic of this channel is debian-stable, the irc channel you want is #debian-next
21:46<negativezero>wakd: Ah, sorry.
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22:01<montero>help me !!no sound debian
22:01<montero>please
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22:12<DrZaius>is there a debian equivalent to this? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Privileges ?
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22:13<DrZaius>basically i was looking what the groups meant... looking at the ubuntu one, i can more or less figure it out... but wondered if there was a debian version
22:13<abrotman>DrZaius: ISTR there's a README in /usr/share/doc/
22:14<themill>!groups
22:14<dpkg>somebody said groups was file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html . Ask me about <group> and <desktop groups>. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2
22:14<abrotman>see!
22:15<DrZaius>oh thanks!
22:15<DrZaius>exactly what i was looking for
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23:44<jgalt>how can I verify that the json-c library is installed and find it's location?
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23:51<jordanm>jgalt: there are multiple json libraries written in c
23:51<jordanm>jgalt: depends on which one you want
23:52<jgalt>joy! can I install multiple ones or will they conflict?
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23:54<jordanm>jgalt: you can install multiple ones
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23:56<jordanm>jgalt: ah, json-c is specific. you can see the binary packages produced from that source with apt-cache showsrc json-c
23:56<jordanm>jgalt: to see if one is installed: apt-cache policy libjson-c2; to view files in the pkg: dpkg -L libjson-c2
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