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---Logopened Fri Jul 25 00:00:18 2014
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00:01<jgalt>jordanm: it's reminding me that I need to add source URI's to my sources list..... and it's unable to find the package libjson-c2
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00:01<jordanm>jgalt: what version of debian are you running?
00:01<jgalt>wheezy armhf
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00:03<jordanm>jgalt: looks like libjson-c2 is only available in backports
00:03<jordanm>jgalt: but you may just want libjson0 anyways
00:03<jordanm>!tell jgalt about bpo
00:04<jordanm>!tell jgalt about deb-src
00:04<jgalt>why would I want one or the other? i.e. libjson0 vs libjson-c2?
00:05<jordanm>jgalt: pretty sure libjson-c2 is newer
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00:06<jordanm>looks like I have it on my system for the backported version of pulseaudio
00:06<rryoumaa>i get these pulseaudio errors in my logs: http://sprunge.us/QdXH -- what should i do about them?
00:08<jgalt>ugh, pulseaudio..... I installed that on this box and sound quit working... but I'll deal with that later...
00:08<jordanm>jgalt: probably best to reboot or relog from the gui after installing it
00:09<jordanm>can run into issues if something already had the sound card open when pulse started
00:09<jordanm>usually not an issue since it starts when you login, but I can see it being a problem if you installed on an already running system
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00:12<jgalt>:done that many times no help, something screwy somewhere but I'm unable to attack it now as the system borders on being embedded (it's a beagle bone black) and it's miles away from me at the moment despite being accessable over the lan.
00:14<jmcnaught>rryoumaa: do you also have no sound? have you checked pavucontrol? that error message looks to me like pulseaudio is trying to run a second time for some reason.
00:15<rryoumaa>jmcnaught: i sometimes have no sound
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00:15<rryoumaa>pavucontrol and alsamixer and stuff have muting off and everything else normal as it normally works
00:16<rryoumaa>i find a very strange thing happens. to make sound work when it does not work, i try a whole bunch of htings. nothing works. except running pulse /as normal user/.
00:17<jordanm>rryoumaa: I am pretty sure it's supossed to run as a normal user
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00:17<jordanm>it always has for me
00:17<jmcnaught>rryoumaa: do these sometimes without sound coincide with the error messages in your paste? The default on Debian is for pulseaudio to run as a regular user, but that can be changed in /etc/default/pulseaudio
00:17<rryoumaa>this is the thing that works /as user/: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
00:18<jordanm>rryoumaa: do you use steam?
00:18<rryoumaa>jordanm: no
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00:19<rryoumaa>i have PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START=0 in /etc/default/pulseaudio
00:19<rryoumaa>is that the default? i don't recall changing any defaults
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00:19<rryoumaa>also DISALLOW_MODULE_LOADING=1
00:20<rryoumaa>jmcnaught: i think this time sound worked despite the messages
00:20<jmcnaught>rryoumaa: looks like the default to me. Do you have the same problem if you test another another user account? What desktop or window manager are you using?
00:22<rryoumaa>haven't tried from another user. id says groups include 29(audio),114(pulse),115(pulse-access) (i had to enable those to get sound to work). i am running fluxbox and a pretty barebones installation.
00:22<rryoumaa>(that is, i did not install with gnome)
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00:26<rryoumaa>(obviously i misspoke, it is not pulseaudio but alsa-utils that gets restarted to make it work)
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00:30<jmcnaught>rryoumaa: i use pulse in gnome but am not a member of the pulse and pulse-access groups (only audio) so that could be related to why you're able to run the pulseaudio init script as a regular user. I would consider testing it under a different user, maybe copying your ~/.pulse directory to somewhere else to see if that fixes is, or check .xinitrc and/or however fluxbox is launching its sessions to see if pulse is being loaded twice. Good luck, I'l
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00:42<jgalt>trying to get this app compiled. got most everything working and have hunted up most of the libraries for stuff but json-c working seems to be the lone holdout. since it has in the past not been a really common library the app source includes it under ./thirdparty but also tests to see if it's installed on your system and tries to use the best one. pretty sure json-c is installed on my...
00:42<jgalt>...system but as shown at http://pastebin.com/McR6hLs7 the build is still not picking this up. thus it's failing compilation. any ideas?
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00:45<uso>jgalt: do you have the development library installed (*-dev)? it's needed to link applications against a lib
00:46<jgalt>uso: I believe so.
00:46<jgalt>uso: how can I check?
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00:48<uso>jgalt: dpkg -l libjson-c-dev
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00:49<uso>if your original library is libjson-c (sorry, haven't followed your previous communication)
00:49<rryoumaa>jmcnaught: thanks. .xinit is not loading anything related to sound, just iceweasel, unclutter, redshift
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00:53<jgalt>http://pastebin.com/e3RbZQkJ, seems not to be there but I'm not sure I see that specific lib name as available, just that there aparently many json-c libraries available. think I've got one of them. also the source aparently compiles without any issues on centos
00:54<uso>jgalt: I also don't see where your configure script is checking for it
00:55<jgalt>checking for what exactly?
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00:55<uso>jgalt: the json library on your system, it tries to use the included lib ... and fails
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00:57<uso>jgalt: try to install libtool if it's not installed on your system
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00:59<jgalt>uso: libtool was suggested earlier and it made no difference after installing it.
01:01<uso>jgalt: as far as I can see the build is missing depcomp in /home/debian/centrallix/centrallix/thirdparty/json-c-0.12, I don't know why that is missing and what should have created it when it's missing
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01:06<jgalt>uso: is that http://pastebin.com/McR6hLs7 line 203?
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01:06<uso>jgalt: yes, around that line
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01:22<jgalt>uso: thanks for taking a crack at it. I'll see what the devs have to say about it in my morning email. (just sent a query and made it a bit more useful with the help and pointers here.
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01:27<uso>jgalt: did you check if that file exist? you also can get this error message when the script exists, but the interpreter is missing
01:32<uso>ok, I need some sleep, good luck with your application
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01:44<jgalt>uso: thanks, I'll be back at it tomorrow. I need some sleep too. gn
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02:02<us`0gb>Does anyone know of a browser that allows you do disable JavaScript redirects? This Web page is being *very* annoying.
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02:03<jmcnaught>us`0gb: I use NoScript with Iceweasel. It's in the package xul-ext-noscript
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02:04<us`0gb>jmcnaught: Won't NoScript disable the rest of the JavaScript on the page too? Without JavaScript, the page doesn#'t work at all. It was poorly written.
02:05<jmcnaught>us`0gb: with NoScript you whitelist any javascript you want to work, by domain name.
02:06<us`0gb>jmcnaught: Drats. Both All the JavaScript it embedded in the page, so it's all on the same domain.
02:06<jmcnaught>so it may work for you if the script in question is being loaded from a third party. You might also check out greasemonkey
02:06<us`0gb>Alright, I'll see if I can find something in GreaseMonkey.
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03:35<mehdi_>hey guys how can i get some icons for my theme?
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03:54<backbox>slt
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03:56<grummund>hi all, i deleted panel 2 in xfce to create more screen estate. how can i add Terminal Emulator and Web Browser buttons to panel 1??
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04:21<becoco>hi!
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04:21<becoco>I do not understand why if I want to make a snapshot of LVM I need to specify the size? this should always be 100% of the original right?
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04:24<jmcnaught>becoco: not necessarily, if you specify a size smaller than the origin then LVM gives the snapshot that much space for keeping track of the changes
04:26<becoco>jmcnaught, if I have a 100GB LVM is an ext4 filesystem 100GB, I must necessarily make a snapspot of 100GB, if not I'll have a non-corrupted archive? (my goal is to make hot snapshot to make backup later)
04:27<jmcnaught>becoco: you really only need to make the snapshot large enough for the amount of changes that will happen to the origin before the backup is finished. If that 100GB is mostly static data that never changes, the snapshot doesn't need to be 100GB
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04:30<jmcnaught>becoco: also if you notice in the "lvs" output that the snapshot is running out of space, you can use "lvresize" to make it larger
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04:33<becoco>jmcnaught, this is a server, it changes a lot .. :s
04:33<jmcnaught>becoco: for example a while back I did an upgrade from squeeze->wheezy on an virtual machine that's stored in an LV. The origin LV is 8GB, I made a snapshot that was only 5GB before doing the upgrade. After the upgrade the snapshot was still only 50% full.
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04:34<anastasia>ciao
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04:36<becoco>jmcnaught, but, if my goal is to make backup to be able to return when I made the backup (in case of failure) I can do 0%?
04:36<jm_>I suspect there won't be a need to restore to that snapshot if you use 0% :)
04:37<becoco>I have trouble understanding the concept of LVM.
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04:38<becoco>for me a 80GB logical volume is 80GB on HDD , right ??
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04:39<jmcnaught>becoco: if you have the room and are concerned about a lot of changes happening go ahead and create the snapshot at 100% (assuming 0% was typo). How far in the future will you be creating the backup off the snapshot? Do you expect all of the 100 GB to change? Normally you would create the snapshot, make the backup, discard the snapshot (or at least replace it next time the backup cron job happens)
04:40<jmcnaught>becoco: creating a snapshot and leaving it lying around for an eventual backup is probably not the greatest idea
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04:42<becoco>if the server is under water / caught fire / broken, I prefer to have a backup of LVM that ... nothing? unless you have something better solution? ...
04:42<jmcnaught>becoco: snapshot volumes only contain the changes. When you access a file from a snapshot, if that file hasn't changed from the origin, LVM just fetches the file from the origin. If the file has changed from the origin, the differences are stored in the snapshot. Well actually it's blocks not files.
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04:44<jmcnaught>becoco: The point of backing up from a snapshot is so that you get a backup of an exact moment in time. If the backup process takes 2 hours, there's a possibility that something at the end of the volume references something at the beginning that's no longer there.
04:45<becoco>I lost everything so there :)
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04:47<jmcnaught>becoco: you lost what? If server is underwater, any form of "backups" using disks in that server are lost too.
04:47<becoco>in fact, it is not really a snapshot that I need, but to have a "strict copy" of an logical volume
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04:49<jmcnaught>becoco: snapshots might still be part of the workflow. If you backup from the snapshot, you know that everything is in a consistent state and don't have to worry about files changing while the backup tool is still working. But yes, LVM snapshots alone are not a reliable form of backups.
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04:52<becoco>resume from the beginning. I have a LVM is "/dev/xen/my_vm1", how can I export the LVM identical to another server?
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04:54<becoco>I thought (I read the tutorial in this direction) had to do a hot snapshot of LVM (/dev/xen/my_vm1) to / dev/xen/snapshot_lvm1) and then do a "dd" to a file export with rsync.
04:55<rahamabrahma>Hi ...how i can open in new install in console /etc/network/interfaces ?
04:56<rahamabrahma>auto wlan0
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04:57<jmcnaught>becoco: yeah, running dd on the snapshot
04:57<jmcnaught>rahamabrahma: as root open the file with a text editor like vi or nano
04:58<babilen>rahamabrahma: And then edit it as detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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04:58<becoco>jmcnaught, ok but to create the snapshot, I must say how many percent? big unknown ...
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05:00<jmcnaught>becoco: if you're unsure, make it the same size as the origin. do you really expect all 100GB to change before dd completes? It depends on what's going on on that server. If you make it the same size as the origin, you could check the usage with "lvs" and then next time you have a better idea how large the snapshot needs to be
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05:03<rahamabrahma>:)
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05:03<rahamabrahma>merrsy
05:04<rahamabrahma>sorry for my engles
05:04<rahamabrahma>buth
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05:05<jmcnaught>becoco: I hope you figure it out. I've got to go, best of luck :)
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05:06<becoco>thanks jmcnaught
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05:51<mehdi_>what is the diffrence between cp -r and cp -R?
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05:52<jm_>none?
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06:11<backbox>HI all
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06:33<michael_>Hallo. Ich habe gerade von Ubuntu 10.04 auf 12.04 geupdatet. Wenn ich den Rechner hochfahre, habe ich Probleme mit der Grafikdarstellung. Alles flackert und ich habe 4 Mauszeiger. Unmöglich etwas zu lesen. Irgendeine Idee
06:34<towo^work>elang + echan
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06:35<planetmaker>!de
06:35<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
06:35<planetmaker>!ubuntu
06:35<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
06:35<michael_>Oh, sorry.
06:36<planetmaker>!ubuntuirc
06:36<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
06:37<michael_>Thank you very much.
06:37<planetmaker>gern geschehen :P
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07:53<zsero>i’m writing a script which should detect the success of “apt-get -d dist-upgrade”. can you tell me that is 100 the only error code which happens when there is a problem with connection?
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07:57<Brigo>zsero, if no errors the output should be 0, so non 0 if a non-success
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07:58<zsero>ok, so non-0 is it! thanks!
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08:33<ik>hi ¡
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08:44<grove>Is there somewhere where I can easily see what version of a given package was in all historical debian versions?
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08:50<OdyX>grove: http://snapshot.debian.org/package/lsb/ e.g.
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08:57<grove>OdyX: Not quite what I was looking for. I just wanted a list saying "Buzz had 1.2, Rex had 1.3, Bo had 3.0, ...". But it's probably faster to find from the list of packages of snapshot.debian.org, than from checking archive.debian.org which was my plan
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09:02<BluesKaj>'Morning folks
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09:05<gsimmons>grove: There is archive.debian.net, but only as far back as Bo.
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09:10<ioerror>hi
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09:10<ioerror>I'm working on some packages in Debian related to Tails and looking for a porterbox where I can have a chroot with virtualbox installed
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09:11<ioerror>this outlines what I'm trying to build: https://tails.boum.org/contribute/build/
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09:11<ioerror>I noticed that on barriere, I can't do this with schroot
09:11<ioerror>(dd-schroot-cmd -c $mysid apt-get install virtualbox rake vagrant/unstable results in E: Package 'virtualbox' has no installation candidate)
09:12<ioerror>Is there a debian porterbox where I can do these kinds of builds?
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09:14<abrotman>Tails isn't Debian ?
09:14<grove>gsimmons: I can live with that, it's worse that it only goes to lenny. But checking there and going to www.debian.org to search in the main repo is quite fast
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09:15<ioerror>abrotman: I am packaging software for Debian - that is the way to get stuff into Tails
09:15<grove>ioerror: As far as I can gather from https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/virtualbox virtualbox is quite broken right now
09:15<abrotman>ioerror: you can maybe ask #debian-mentors how that might work
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09:16<abrotman>judd: versions virtualbox
09:16<judd>Package: virtualbox on i386 -- squeeze-backports: 4.0.10-dfsg-1~bpo60+2; wheezy: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 4.1.18-dfsg-2+deb7u3; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.12-dfsg-1~bpo70+1; sid/contrib: 4.3.12-dfsg-1
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09:16<ioerror>grove: yes, it seems like it is something special
09:17<ioerror>mostly, it seems like using porter boxes, the schroots can't mix say, wheezy + unstable easily
09:17<ioerror>I may just be missing something obvious here but I can't install say, virtualbox from wheezy and vagrant/unstable
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09:17<ioerror>wheezy-backports works fine for virtualbox with schroot
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09:32<Lain>omg un sysadmin day O_o
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09:55<DNS>can somebody please help me with exim/spamassassin how to automove spammails to a spamfolder and autodelete "high-grade"-spam? i could find any proper help so far in the net
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09:56<DNS>*could not
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09:56<DNS>the spammails are tagged correctly in header but still goin normally into the inboxes
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09:59<centrx>DNS, Maybe try to find the SpamAssassin IRC channel, I bet it's on Freenode
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09:59<centrx>There's on there at least
09:59<centrx>*one
09:59<DNS>i am already there and asked the question
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10:00<DNS>but in the channel all seems to idle and only 34 are there
10:01<DNS>so i thought here maybe is somebody online with a good answer
10:01<DNS>:D
10:01<centrx>It's possible, not very active right now
10:01<centrx>DNS, You could try ##linux on Freenode as well
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10:01<centrx>DNS, Or, these channels are probably more active at other times
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10:02<DNS>hm k, well i can wait too
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10:04<centrx>Sure
10:04<centrx>Welcome
10:04<computernaam> /join #guidion monteursguidion
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10:06<computernaam>#guidion monteursguidion
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10:39<lord>hey
10:39<lord>Anyone here use pianobar?
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10:42<txt-file>!tell lord about ask
10:43<txt-file>and the answer to your question is "maybe"
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10:47<lord>If you do, is your's working? Mine gets a network error on all my linux devices now
10:49<Nikno>Is it possible that a few days old usb drive dies in car heat?
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10:49<Nikno>I plugged it in my radio and today it broke
10:49<Nikno>Or is that just random?
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10:51<trico>quite possible. cds and cassettes got destroyed like that all the time. if its directly in sunlight, temps can be hundreds of degrees
10:52<Nikno>ugh
10:52<Nikno>And I thought that is a good solution.
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12:15<skibur>I'm using Debian 7.6 - Wheezy - Gnome 3.4.2, At the top panel, the battery, sound, and wifi icons have a white background. How can I change the background color to match the black panel?
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12:50<skibur>How can I make the best of Fallback Mode?
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13:09<skibur>Nevermind, Got it.
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13:16<pankaj>hi
13:16<pankaj>h r y?
13:17<jmcnaught>pankaj: hi, this is a tech support channel for Debian. Do you need some assistance?
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13:18<Mack98290>anyone available to help with Debian and Virtualbox?
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13:19<mtn>!ask
13:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:20<Mack98290>thx dpkg. I'm running Wheezy XFCE. When I try to start a Windows VM in Virtual box, I get error "kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)".
13:21<Mack98290>The page at https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/virtualbox says that libc6 (on which VirtualBox depends) needs to be v2.3.6-6 or greater, but Synaptic says I have libc6 v2.13-38+deb7u3 and Gnome update manager says I'm up to date.
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13:21<jmcnaught>Mack98290: did you install virtualbox using the Debian packages, or from a third party source?
13:21<Mack98290>debian packages
13:21<Mack98290>via Synaptic
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13:23<jmcnaught>Mack98290: I don't use VirtualBox myself, but the wiki has this in the troubleshooting section: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Kernel_driver_not_installed_.28rc.3D-1908.29
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13:24<Mack98290>I tried the advice from that page. I have a directory vboxdrv, but no executable called vboxdrv, and no directory where that page suggests.
13:25<Mack98290>virtual box runs, no error messages, until I try to launch the windows vm.
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13:26<mtn>Mack98290: uninstall virtual box and then reinstall it. if it came from the debian repos, it should just work.
13:26<Mack98290>I already uninstalled and reinstalled twice. Same result. I assume "repos" means repository.
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13:28<mtn>Mack98290: indeed. maybe that is a windows error?
13:28<Mack98290>No, the virtual machine drive is the same as worked fine on another distro. The error message is generated by vbox not windows.
13:29<Mack98290>THe error message occurs before the VM is launched. Unable to launch the VM.
13:29<mtn>Mack98290: what happens if you try to install a linux distro in vbox?
13:29<mtn>Mack98290: ok. that helps.
13:29<planetmaker>virtualbox works fine for me with 3.12.9 backports kernel for wheezy
13:29<mtn>Mack98290: is the vboxdrv module loaded?
13:29<Mack98290>I ran across that term "backport" but am baffled. Only been using Linux three weeks. Don't know how to install a backport.
13:30<Mack98290>How can I tell if vboxdrv module is loaded?
13:30<mtn>Mack98290: lsmod | grep vboxdrv
13:30<ncl>lsmod | grep vboxdrv
13:31<Mack98290>command not found
13:31<mtn>Mack98290: by the way, it is polite to include the nick of whoever you are talking to in your message.
13:31<Mack98290>oic, thanks will do
13:31<mtn>Mack98290: copy and paste the command and it will work ;)
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13:32<ncl>Mack98290: install the kmod package
13:32<Mack98290>mtn: the command did work. It returned "command not found"
13:32<Mack98290>ncl: I'll try that. thanks
13:32<mtn>Mack98290: so you aren't on linux now?
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13:33<Mack98290>mtn: yes I am
13:33<mtn>Mack98290: if you are on linux, the lsmod command will surely work
13:33<Mack98290>mtn: It did work. It returned a response "command not found" referring to vboxdrv
13:33<blast007>note that it is a lower L, not an I
13:33<Mack98290>mtn: I'll brb, trying ncl's advice.
13:34<mtn>Mack98290: vboxdrv is not a command and that would not be what it was talking about.
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13:35<jmcnaught>Mack98290: did you forget the word "grep" from the command "lsmod | grep vboxdrv" ?
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13:35<Mack98290>ncl: kmod already installed
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13:35<Mack98290>jmcnaught: I'll try again...
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13:36<jmcnaught>Mack98290: if you continue to have trouble, please put the command and entire output on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can get a better idea of what's happening
13:37<Mack98290>I tried the command again. "lsmod | grep vboxdrv". There was no response. Just another command prompt.
13:37<mtn>Mack98290: so vboxdrv is not loaded and vbox will not work
13:37<Mack98290>mtn: sorry for the stupid questions. How do I load vboxdrv?
13:38<ncl>sudo modprobe vboxdrv
13:38<mtn>Mack98290: https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox
13:38<Mack98290>Usually synaptic handles dependencies for me.
13:38<Mack98290>ncl: I'll try that...
13:38<mtn>Mack98290: not with vbox, you will have to take care of it
13:38<ncl>the "virtualbox" service should also build and load the kernel modules
13:38<jmcnaught>Mack98290: on http://paste.debian.net can you put the output of this command: "apt-cache policy linux-headers-$(uname -r) dkms build-essentials virtualbox-dkms"
13:39<Mack98290>ncl: sudo disabled on my distro. su instead. response "FATAL: Module vboxdrv not found"
13:39<Mack98290>jmcnaught: will do...
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13:39<mtn>Mack98290: look to see if the virtualbox modules are installed. they should be.
13:41<Mack98290>jmcnaught: pasted as you asked.
13:41<jmcnaught>Mack98290: and the link? ;)
13:42<Mack98290>jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/111666/
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13:42<Mack98290>jmcnaught: I'm not a dumb guy, really. It's just that every answer raises three more questions, and I can only learn so much so fast...thanks for understanding...
13:43<Mack98290>mtn: checking modules...
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13:43<Jose>Hola
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13:43<Mack98290>mtn: searched Synaptic with keyword "virtualbox", results are...
13:44<jmcnaught>Mack98290: no worries.. sorry i put an extra "s" on the end of build-essential in the above command. the virtualbox-dkms package should build the vboxdrv module automatically for your kernel though
13:44<blast007>no kernel headers though
13:44<Mack98290>mtn: four packages are already installed.
13:44<mtn>Mack98290: is the modules package one of them?
13:44<jmcnaught>Mack98290: also you're using a 32-bit kernel. does your CPU even support virtualization?
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13:45<Mack98290>jmcnaught: misspellings happen. DO I need to redo anything?
13:45<Mack98290>mtn: checking...
13:45<GracielaGarcia>Hola
13:46<Mack98290>mtn: nothing has the word "modules" in it from the synaptic search results, installed or otherwise
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13:46<Mack98290>jmcnaught: Yes, 32 bit hdwe. Virtualbox with Windows virtual machine worked great on another distro.
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13:47<Mack98290>You folks are trying. I do appreciate it!
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13:48<blast007>Mack98290: check if trying to install linux-headers will pull in linux-headers-3.2.0-4-486
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13:48<mtn>Mack98290: how about virtualbox-dkms, is it installed?
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13:49<blast007>mtn: check the pastebin he posted - it is, but no linux headers
13:49<mtn>blast007: ok, thanks.
13:49<blast007>without the linux headers, I don't think the DKMS modules will build
13:49<mtn>Mack98290: generally, the wiki is all you need.
13:49<flambait>Mack98290: blast007 is right, most of the fails i experienced in the past were due to missing linux-headers
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13:51<Mack98290>jmcnaught: I redid the command with the corrected spelling. link is http://paste.debian.net/111669/
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13:51<Mack98290>blast007: thanks but that's greek to me
13:51<Mack98290>mtn: checking...
13:52<blast007>Mack98290: try to install linux-headers and see what it tells you it is going to do
13:52<Mack98290>mtn: virtualbox-dkms is installed as per Synaptic
13:52<flambait>Mack98290: sudo aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and reinstall virtualbox
13:52<jmcnaught>Mack98290: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') build-essential <-- this will get you the headers and compilers you need
13:53<Mack98290>mtn: I've been reading wiki's for three weeks, every answer raises three more questions. I realize I'm a newbie. Maybe it's impossible to help me.
13:53<flambait>i guess you can even do a sudo dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox once you have installed headers
13:53<Mack98290>flambait: will do...
13:53<blast007>I think after you have the headers you can just do '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' (as mentioned on the wiki page)
13:53<jmcnaught>Mack98290: it probably all would have worked if you used the command suggestion for installation on Wheezy in the wiki.
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13:54<flambait>blast007: thanks
13:56<Mack98290>flambait: Installing now. And I should uninstall/reinstall virtualbox after?
13:56<flambait>read the last message by blast007
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13:58<Mack98290>jmcnaught: I just used a similar command from flambait.
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13:58<Mack98290>flambait: will do, thanks much.
13:58<Mack98290>blast007: will do, thanks much.
13:59<Mack98290>jmcnaught: appreciate the help.
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13:59<Mack98290>mtn: thank you
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14:00<jmcnaught>Mack98290: the difference is one command installs headers specific to current kernel version, the other installs a meta package that will make sure if you upgrade your kernel you'll still have the correct headers for the new kernel version.
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14:01<Mack98290>jmcnaught: greek greek greek, but thanks for trying.
14:02<jmcnaught>Mack98290: i would still do "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')" to make sure you don't run into problems when you upgrade
14:02<Mack98290>jmcnaught: Been a Windows user for decades. Gradually learning Linux for a few years casually. FInally took the plunge three weeks ago. Too much to learn all at once to make it usable.
14:02<flambait>Mack98290: jmcnaught's is definitely the best solution (i use that too)
14:02<Mack98290>jmcnaught: will do. thank you.
14:02<Mack98290>flambait: thank you
14:04<jmcnaught>Mack98290: compare the output of "echo linux-headers-$(uname -r)" and "echo linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')" to see what I mean
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14:04<BluesKaj>Mack98290, learn linux by dual booting with windows if you want, but full linux immersion makes for a shallower learning curve in the long run
14:05<jmcnaught>Mack98290: "uname" tells you about the current kernel. "sed" is taking just the architecure partof the uname output (amd64, i486 or whatever you have)
14:06<Mack98290>BluesKaj: I dual booted in the past, done with WIndows. Too sick of WIndows to dual boot anymore. Thanks tho.
14:06<Mack98290>Full immersion is my path. A nightmare, but one I've chosen at least.
14:07<BluesKaj>Mack98290, well welcome to the wonderful world of Linux , you won't regret it :)
14:07<Mack98290>jmcnaught: I can't process that, but thank you. I've done the two header install commands recommended, one by flambait and another by you. I'll try reinstalling virtualbox next. Appreciate the help much.
14:07<Mack98290>Bye for now.
14:07<blast007>you don't need to reinstall virtualbox...
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14:07<Mack98290>BluesKaj: :)
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14:08<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell Mack98290 -about grounding
14:08<Mack98290>blast007: OK, I'll try running it again first.
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14:08<blast007>Mack98290: like I had mentioned, you should just be able to run this to build the modules: /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
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14:08<jmcnaught>Mack98290: consider reading some of the books that dpkg bot just messaged you about. Debian Reference and Debian Handbook are both great, and available online or as packages :)
14:09<Mack98290>blast007: tried that, didn't work
14:09<blast007>after you installed the headers?
14:09<Mack98290>blast007: yes after
14:10<blast007>then we'd need to see the output, as "didn't work" isn't descriptive enough ;)
14:10<Mack98290>jmcnaught: nothing personal, but read a book in order to install an app? that's lame by any standard.
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14:10<Mack98290>blast007: no such file or directory
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14:11<jmcnaught>Mack98290: you said you're trying to learn. Refusing to read manuals is what's lame.
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14:11<Mack98290>jmcnaught: Or if you mean as a primer, then thx for the referral.
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14:11<blast007>guess the wiki is wrong then :)
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14:12<Mack98290>wiki's are often applicable to only one configuration, but there are many...
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14:12<blast007>or maybe that was a reference to an issue in Squeeze..
14:12<jmcnaught>Mack98290: "apt-get install virtualbox-dkms --reinstall" will probably do the trick.
14:13<Mack98290>jmcnaught: trying that now....
14:14<jmcnaught>Mack98290: also pay attention to the output of that command, look for errors. put it on paste.debian.net if you're unsure
14:14<Mack98290>You all have been very helpful. I appreciate your efforts!
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14:14<Mack98290>jmcnaught: so far no apparent errors. the dkms reinstall seems to be going through....
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14:18<Mack98290>jmcnaught: reinstalled dkms, etc...setup command still returns "no such..." Maybe time to uninst and reinst virtualbox via synaptic? http://paste.debian.net/111671/
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14:22<jmcnaught>Mack98290: the output there looks to me like it installed the vbox module this time. I'm not sure about that "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv" script... what does "lsmod | grep vbox" say now?
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14:23<skibur>ls -l
14:23<Mack98290>jmcnaught: http://paste.debian.net/111674/
14:24<jmcnaught>Mack98290: looks like a success. can you run the VM in virtualbox now?
14:24<skibur>hehe
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14:26<Mack98290>jmcnaught: will try, stand by...
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14:28<jmcnaught>Mack98290: in addition to the books that dpkg bot suggested, any command you're not sure about you can read the man page for it with "man". "man apt-get" for example shows you the manual page for apt-get which describes all of its options and behaviour
14:28<Mack98290>jmcnaught: absolute magic. I don't have a clue what you did. I will read books, but so fried after 3 weeks of research and trial/error that I have to get some work done before I can afford the time to study more. You've been a hero. Appreciate it much.
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14:29<Mack98290>jmcnaught: I've been using man almost constantly for weeks. It's of limited benefit, because it assumes the user knows much, and so many options, with so little focus on RELEVANT BASIC options.
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14:29<Mack98290>I CAN WORK NOW! Thanks everybody.
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14:30<jmcnaught>Mack98290: keep on trucking :) It'll get easier with time. The Debian Handbook is pretty good for beginners. I also recommend trusting Debian sources like the wiki before following advice from blogs and forums. Have a good one :)
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14:31<sney>!next
14:31<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
14:32<Mack98290>jmcnaught: help me focus in. By "the wiki" are you referring to ask.debian.net?
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14:33<sney>wiki.debian.org probably - though anything on an official debian fqdn will be pretty reliable. just remember to check dates
14:33<Mack98290>sney: xlnt. thank you.
14:33<jmcnaught>Mack98290: https://wiki.debian.org/ this wiki, and this is the http://debian-handbook.info/
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14:34<BluesKaj>what has always bothered me about manpages is the lack of command examples. I don't understand geek mentality that thinks man pages give clear expressions of what the commands can do
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14:53<zuse>you speak my heart
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14:53<sney>there are often some examples down at the bottom
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14:59<somiaj>learning how to read man pages takes a bit but it is well worth it. It is less they give examples and more understanding how basic comandline args work so you can understand the formating from the top string.
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15:01<jmcnaught>sometimes for commands from GNU packages the bottom of the man page directs you to use "info" which sometimes has more useful information. cut and sort didn't make much sense to me until i read the info pages
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15:08<rryoumaa>i am getting general protection errors. what does do_general_protection and kernel pool segfault mean? http://sprunge.us/dNNL
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15:09<petn-randall>rryoumaa: 'pool' is segfaulting in the libgobject-2.0.so.0
15:10<rryoumaa>what is pool?
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15:19<petn-randall>rryoumaa: Apparently some process running on your machine. Don't know what it is.
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15:36<iksembi>how to make my system clean away from i386 to 64b only, since i added i386 it fucked up
15:37<iksembi> package gcc-4.9-base:amd64 4.9.1-2 cannot be configured because gcc-4.9-base:i386 is at a different version (4.9.1-1)
15:38<iksembi>such
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15:38<ompaul>iksembi: just for interest before we cry with you pastebin in http://paste.debian.net /etc/sources.list and if you have other .list files
15:39<ompaul>,v gcc
15:39<judd>Package: gcc on i386 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.1-1; sid: 4:4.9.1-1
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15:41<ompaul>and still we wait
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15:43<petn-randall>iksembi: It looks like it has nothing to do with multiarch, but you either a) mixing distros or b) not running Debian.
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15:48<blast007>4.9.1-2 is actually in unstable as of today (so perhaps judd isn't yet up to date)
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15:51<xmb>how to fix my system to have 64b only again
15:52<mtn>xmb: you didn't answer questions or provide data that was asked for the last time you asked
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15:54<mtn>xmb: which version of debian are you running?
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15:55<xmb>sorry my terminal fucked up
15:55<xmb>i installed debian normal and updated to testing unstable and experimental
15:55<xmb>on the way i did i386 but it fucked up, i wanna rm the i386 software away but i dunno how
15:55<mtn>xmb: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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15:57<xmb>hmm what i can do is download debbootstrap and install a new debian over ?
15:57<jmcnaught>xmb: maybe you should stick to Wheezy while you're learning Debian. installing from experimental is kinda nuts.. did you mix stable/testing/unstable/experimental all on one system? Also if you're using Jessie you need to go to #debian-next. That wiki article is a good read :)
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15:57<xmb>i dont like old software thats why i updated yeah all together
15:57<xmb>soryr
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16:00<xmb>does anyone have instructions to make a fresh system only from sources ?
16:00<xmb>like from scratch
16:00<jmcnaught>xmb: that's an excellent way to break things. Debian Stable (currently Wheezy) has software that isn't *that* old with the added benefit that everything works. If you use testing or unstable, except stuff to break from time to time (most recently people have had broken proprietary video drivers and problems with network-manager)
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16:00<xmb>sorry myself i just saw kernel 3.2 when 3.16 is now
16:01<xmb>sorry i cant help myself
16:01<jmcnaught>xmb: was the 3.2 kernel not working for you? it's a long term support kernel, which is why it's included in wheezy. There's a newer kernel in wheezy-backports
16:02<xmb>sorry
16:02<jmcnaught>xmb: if you like installing stuff from source and having the latest versions of everything whether it works or not, Debian might not be the best choice for you. You can cure yourself of SNS syndrome though :)
16:03<xmb>im too misunderstood
16:05<xmb>what to happen if findutils:i386 says same files installed as coreutils
16:05<jmcnaught>xmb: no need to apologize, you only broke your own system :) My advice is use Debian Stable (aka Wheezy or 7) for now while you're learning. Read that https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian page, as well as the Debian Reference and/or Debian Handbook. Look to wheezy-backports if you want newer versions of a few things
16:06<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell xmb -about grounding
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16:07<xmb>hm
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16:08<xmb>i added i386 again and apt finished well
16:08<petn-randall>xmb: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_suffer_from_Shiny_New_Stuff_Syndrome
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16:11<xmb>sorry cant stand my problems, bye
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16:23<oaks>Good Evening, got a Problem with my SetUP for my dualscreens on Debian. GC: AMD 6870 x 2. Any Ideas?
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16:23<oaks>http://pastie.org/9420926
16:24<oaks>btw. here is my xorg.conf file
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16:30<babilen>dpkg: tell oaks about empty xorg.conf
16:30<babilen>oaks: What does "xrandr -q" give you?
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16:30<babilen>And why are you using the vesa driver?
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16:32<babilen>oaks: I'd recommend to completely remove your xorg.conf, install firmware-linux-nonfree and libgl1-mesa-dri and try it again. Use xrandr or one of the frontends (arandr, gnome monitor settings, ...) to configure dual screen.
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16:33<oaks>@babilen i just testet few things with a frind, and he told me to try "vesa"
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16:34<babilen>Well, vesa is sort of a fallback driver. For radeon to work well you need the firmware and libgl1-mesa-dri. I'd remove your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and install both of those packages and reboot. Paste your /var/log/Xorg.0.log if you have problems
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16:34<babilen>dpkg: tell oaks -about radeon
16:34<babilen>dpkg: tell oaks -about pastebinit
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16:34<oaks>xrandr -q gives me http://nopaste.info/9ac4381845.html
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16:37<babilen>So it sees both of your displays, reboot and then do it again. Something like: "xrandr --output DFP10 --auto --output DFP11 --auto --right-of DFP10" should enable both next to each other. (assuming the names stay the same)
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16:37<babilen>But I would use the proper radeon driver
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16:40<oaks>@babilen xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 3840x1080)
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16:41<babilen>With xorg.conf removed, firmware + libgl1-mesa-dri installed and after a reboot?
16:41<oaks>nope, i try reboot now if u want me to
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16:44<oaks>btw. got a Warning when i install firmware-linux-nonefree "Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169"
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16:47<oaks>going for reboot now
16:47<babilen>oaks: You could install firmware-realtek, but that might be a false positive
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16:48<oaks>i gona try it
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16:49<flambait>what does a "|" to the left of a package name mean in the output of apt-cache depends?
16:49<babilen>example?
16:50<babilen>I guess you are referring to something like: Depends: a | b ?
16:50<flambait>example: "apt-cache depends sysvinit" gives "|Pre-depends: sysvinit-core"
16:51<flambait>and other dependencies
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16:51<flambait>is it an or?
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16:51<babilen>Yes, it means or
16:52<babilen>Oh, those are PreDepends .. not sure why the | is in there
16:52<oaks>babilen: it still dont work
16:52<flambait>babilen: and how one of these dependencies is chosen during an installation?
16:53<oaks>App::Nopaste::Service::Pastie: Could not construct paste link.
16:53<oaks>App::Nopaste::Service::ssh: No NOPASTE_SSH_SERVER set
16:53<oaks>http://paste.ubuntu.com/7859046/
16:53<babilen>oaks: What doesn't work? What does "xrandr -q" give you now and what is in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
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16:53<babilen>flambait: What are you trying to do?
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16:55<flambait>babilen: nothing, i'd like to know the criteria apt uses to satisfy a dependency with one ore more "or"
16:55<lostson>this http://paste.debian.net/111693/ does not look good any ideas on how to repair ?
16:55<oaks>babilen: http://nopaste.info/54520750a2.html
16:55<babilen>flambait: For "or" it uses the first one that is listed by default
16:56<flambait>babilen: mhh ok thanks
16:56<babilen>oaks: Where does the fglrx come from? You must have installed that as that is *not* available by default.
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16:58<babilen>dpkg: tell lostson -about status recovery
16:58<oaks>babilen: im new in things with linux, a frind of mine just told me to do few thing on the phone, so i dont even know what i done few times.. so im not sure where it comes from =/
16:58<babilen>lostson: You might also want to take a look at that file and run fsck on your filesystem.
16:58<babilen>heh, okay :)
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17:00<babilen>oaks: There are two drivers for AMD graphic cards on Linux, namely radeon and fglrx. You can, at any given time, only use one of them. Your system seems to have fglrx installed, which is the proprietary driver offered from AMD while I recommended to use the open radeon driver (which requires firmware and the libgl1-mesa-dri package)
17:00<lostson>babilen: thanks that worked perfectly and will run fsck now as well
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17:01<babilen>The fglrx installation is detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary, but I have no idea how *you* installed it. Do you have files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ ? (i.e. does "head -v -n -0 /etc/X11/xorg.conf{,.d/*}" return anything?
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17:08<oaks>babilen: http://nopaste.info/50f358feee.html
17:10<babilen>Thank you
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17:10<babilen>oaks: Is that *everything* if you run "cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf" does it really show only those three lines?
17:11<babilen>(i.e. no "EndSection" ?)
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17:13<oaks>babilen: yea thats all. It contains a "EndSection" i just didnt mark it up when i copy it, sry
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17:13<babilen>oaks: But that being said, your Xorg.0.log looks alright. And you get the same error when running the xrandr command I mentioned earlier? Does "xrandr -q" still give the same output?
17:13<babilen>oaks: It's okay .. just wanted to make sure.
17:14<babilen>without "EndSection" I would have asked you to repair that and had wondered how on earth Xorg started with a syntax error in its configuration file
17:14<babilen>:)
17:15<oaks>babilen: ok :), "xrandr -q" gives me still the same output
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17:18<babilen>And if you run "xrandr --output DFP10 --auto --output DFP11 --auto --right-of DFP10" you still get the same error? Could you paste the output of that, "xrandr -q" and "lspci -nn" to http://paste.debian.net please?
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17:22<oaks>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/111701/
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17:24<babilen>oaks: And only one screen is working?
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17:25<oaks>babilen: no, bouth screens are working. Just got the Problem that i cant use bouth as seperate screens.. ist just mirrors
17:25<babilen>Okay, just checking.
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17:26<babilen>I am not entirely sure why that happens and I would try the newer fglrx version that is in wheezy-backports if I were you right now. It's a bit of a pity that we cannot try the radeon setup (as you installed fglrx already).
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17:27<oaks>ouhh, cant i uninstall it?
17:28<babilen>You would, essentially, use a /etc/apt/sources.list such as http://paste.debian.net/111705/ and run "apt-get update" and then run "aptitude -r -t wheezy-backports install fglrx-driver". I would hope that it works with the kernel you have right now, but you can also upgrade that while you are at it and run "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64"
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17:29<babilen>oaks: You can, naturally, uninstall it, but fglrx could work and you might want to use it anyway. It's just a bit of a pity that we cannot gather data for that case in the current situation.
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17:29<Jamie96> I am planning on setting up a simple kitchen computer that
17:29<Jamie96> will provide quick and simple access to such as finding
17:29<Jamie96> recipes on the internet and displaying a web calendar. Is
17:29<Jamie96> there a way I can set a website as my background so that I can
17:29<Jamie96> for example display my hotmail calendar?
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17:29<babilen>*sigh*
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17:29<babilen>Jamie96: Please don't paste into the channel
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17:30<Jamie96>Didn't go well did it? Copied it from a different tab, was supposed to be a single line...
17:30<Jamie96>Anyway, in one line, (hopefully):
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17:30<Jamie96> I am planning on setting up a simple kitchen computer that will provide quick and simple access to such as finding recipes on the internet and displaying a web calendar. Is there a way I can set a website as my background so that I can for example display my hotmail calendar?
17:30<oaks>babilen: ah ok, then i follow ur introction and going for wheezy-backports
17:31<jmcnaught>Jamie96: the easiest way would be to simply use Iceweasel in fullscreen mode (F11)
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17:32<babilen>oaks: I am not sure that it will help, but it is worth trying. I also have to apologise as I am growing tired by now. If that doesn't work out for you you might want to seek support in #debian on irc.freenode.net which is a bit more active right now (not that there is anything wrong with this channel)
17:32<Jamie96>jmcnaught: And is there a not easy more seamless way?
17:32<babilen>oaks: tired as in sleepy, not tired of you :)
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17:34<jmcnaught>Jamie96: you could try using KDE for something like that. It has a bunch of "plasmoids" that are basically widgets you can arrange on the desktop, including on that can display a website if I recall correctly. I don't know why running a browser in fullscreen would be so bad. You might find a "kiosk mode" add-on for Iceweasel that does something like what you want.
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17:34<oaks>babilen: hihi, no worrys :D
17:34<Mono>Does the check integrity function work when the Debian livecd is written to a USB?
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17:35<babilen>Jamie96, jmcnaught: Gnome has "screenlets", but nothing that would turn the background into an active webpage (but I have no interest and it might very well be possible)
17:35<babilen>There's also conky and all sorts of other tools
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17:36<Jamie96>I'm not really interested in interacting with the calendar...it just needs to be visible and sit in the back denying input.
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17:40<Jamie96>Any ideas for that? Non-interactive background calendar?
17:41<jmcnaught>Jamie96: KDE plasmoids or Gnome screenlets, or maybe conky. I don't really use anything like that myself, I like an empty desktop.
17:41<gr8ron>Jamie96: as suggested by babilen, i'd look into conky. google for "conky calendar" for some examples
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17:44<Jamie96>Just as a potential alternative, can an application be run(e.g., iceweasal in fullscreen), and forced to stay behind all other applications and ignoring input?
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17:45<oaks>shit i killed my GUI
17:45<centrx>good riddance
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18:19<GinoMan>Hey, I'm having trouble upgrading my debian install; it wants to remove a whole bunch of stuff. this is what my sources.list and sources.list.d files say, can you help me? http://pastebin.com/2azdHMYA
18:20<valdyn>GinoMan: its not debian
18:21<abrotman>or it's not anymore, whatever it started as
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18:22<GinoMan>it was installed from a net-install disk for debian from debian.org...
18:22<mtn>GinoMan: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
18:23<valdyn>GinoMan: everything after line 16 except probably the google chrome stuff needs to go away
18:23<valdyn>GinoMan: why do you think its "ok" the use packages from 3 distros in one?
18:24<abrotman>it's not Debian, either install Debian, or whatever distro you want, it's not Debian
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18:28<GinoMan>is this line ok?
18:28<GinoMan>deb file:/var/cache/apt-build/repository apt-build main
18:28<GinoMan>it's in a file that ends in ".save"
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18:29<valdyn>GinoMan: thats for packages you build yourself, we cannot support that
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18:30<GinoMan>ok. so i should probably remove that because I don't think I have any packages I'm building
18:30*mtn raises an eyebrow
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18:31<jmcnaught>GinoMan: in all honestly you probably need to do a fresh install to recover from mix-and-matched sources like you pasted above
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18:33<Mono>That's one thing I don't like about Linux in general, that there's so many distributions and usually I need several programs that aren't intended for what I happen to be using.
18:33<GinoMan>let me try it without such drastic measures first.
18:33<Mono>Why can't developers make programs that aren't so reliant on the distribution?
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18:34<GinoMan>this is what I have left: http://pastebin.com/WjPW6HVQ
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18:35<AlexLikeRock>no good web pastebin.com
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18:36<AlexLikeRock>use plrease paste.debian.net
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18:37<Antrax>sad
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18:37<Antrax>wassup guys
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18:38<Antrax>no one here ?as
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18:38<mtn>Antrax: hi, do you have a debian support question?
18:38<Antrax>Nope
18:39<jmcnaught>GinoMan: that might not be enough if you have a bunch of non-Debian packages left over on your system. 'aptitude search "?installed?not(?origin(debian))"' should show you a list of non-debian packages. Also Jessie is supported in #debian-next, but really you probably need to start with a fresh install after FrankenDebianing your system like that.
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18:40<GinoMan>could I just reinstall those packages now that I've unfrankendebianed my system?
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18:41<jmcnaught>GinoMan: your system isn't magically unbroken after removing the foreign apt sources.. also that's probably going to be more work than a fresh install that you don't break this time :)
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18:44<Mono>I have a problem installing Debian. The installer fails halfway through, and none of the logging options work so I can't get the installer logs.
18:44<mtn>Mono: what install medium and how did you make the installer?
18:45<Mono>I used the USB image on a USB drive.
18:45<mtn>Mono: maybe make it again using dd
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18:45<mtn>Mono: or even the cp commane, it is even easier.
18:45<Mono>Where is that documented?
18:46<mtn>Mono: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
18:46<Mono>I used the cp /dev/sdX method
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18:46<mtn>Mono: what do you mean by usb image?
18:46<Mono>The .iso file
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18:47<mtn>Mono: what iso file?
18:47<Mono>https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
18:47<GinoMan>what kind of wireless driver support can I expect in the Netinstall disk?
18:48<mtn>Mono: I would recommend using the netinstall iso
18:48<mtn>GinoMan: this covers more wireless devices: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/
18:49<Mono>The ISO I downloaded from the link was Debian 7.5
18:49<Mono>Did they update the ISO very recently?
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18:51<Mono>Yep, the new 7.6 files were added on the 23rd.
18:51<Mono>I guess I will try again.
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18:52<Mono>Does the media integrity check normally work on the USB image?
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18:52<Mono>RE netinstall. That sounds complicated and I'm no network wiz
18:53<kingsley>How would you try to restore a missing mouse pointer and gnome task bar after upgrading from stable (wheezy) to testing (jessie)?
18:53<mtn>Mono: netinstall is very small and simple. same installer as all the other ways you install debian
18:53<jmcnaught>Mono: it's easy, and probably less problematic than using a live iso
18:53<jmcnaught>kingsley: jessie support is in #debian-next :)
18:53<Mono>I don't need any network fiddling to use the netinstall?
18:54<kingsley>jmcnaught: I'll try it.
18:54<jmcnaught>Mono: it's all menu driven. If the live cd was able to connect to your network, the firmware iso ^^^ should have no problems either
18:55<mtn>Mono: if you think you will have wireless driver issues, use this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/
18:56<Mono>No, I keep wireless out of my house for health reasons.
18:57<mtn>Mono: then no worries
18:57<jmcnaught>Mono: you're unlikely to have any problems with the netinst if you're using ethernet
18:57<Mono>Thanks for the help.
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19:04<Mono>How often should you update Debian?
19:05<GinoMan>thank you mtn
19:05<mtn>GinoMan: yw
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19:08<zenlunatic>Mono: when a security advisory is released
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19:09<Mono>What if I update too often?
19:10<devil>kittens die
19:10<mtn>Mono: not possible
19:10<jmcnaught>Mono: it will just tell you there's no updates to apply
19:10<zenlunatic>too often? then you're findnig your own zero-days and writing your own patches i guess
19:10<zenlunatic>Mono: listen to jmcnaught
19:10<Mono>Why is there no automatic update feature in Debian that I could find thn?
19:11<zenlunatic>Mono: there is. thats how do it
19:11<jmcnaught>Mono: wheezy still has update-manager-gnome, and you can always use apt-get or aptitude on the command line
19:11<zenlunatic>its in the documentation. just google it; first hit
19:11<Mono>I couldn't find it, and I was running Debian for more than a year.
19:11<zenlunatic>literally google 'debian automatic update'
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19:14<zenlunatic>i set mine up forever ago i dont' even remember
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19:15<zenlunatic>Mono: okay i found it. the package you want is unattended-upgrades
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19:15<zenlunatic>theres also apticron but i dont use this
19:16<Mono>Can I set critical system packages not to update?
19:16<devil>forget automatic upgrades, control what you do
19:16<zenlunatic>devil: he asked for auto updates
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19:17<zenlunatic>Mono: not advised on Debian
19:17<devil>I know
19:17<Mono>I don't have time to read the changelogs of everything, much less to actually find them.
19:18<zenlunatic>Mono: if youre running stable critical system components are usually only pushed because of security updates
19:18<devil>Mono: apt-grt changelog foo
19:18<jmcnaught>Mono: i agree, don't do updates without looking to see what's happening. You should make note of the packages that have been upgraded in case something goes wrong, that way you have some clues to start troubleshooting with.
19:18<zenlunatic>Mono: stable is called such because policy is leave things alone/unchanged... just push security updates
19:18<zenlunatic>Mono: they backport the code so your system will run the same, but you'll have the security update
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19:22<jmcnaught>Mono: there's also a Debian Security Announcements mailing list you can subscribe to
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19:25<mtn>Mono: I trust debian and update when it tells me to ;)
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19:25<zenlunatic>me too (stable)
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19:27<Mono>Debian never told me when to update. Do you have to set that option manually?
19:27<zenlunatic>usually if you install with a DE it will add the kde/gnome notifier
19:27<mtn>Mono: the update manager alerts me when there are upgrades available.
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19:29<Mono>Okay, now I remember. I had dependency problems preventing me from getting that running.
19:30<Mono>Hopefully I'm better at not breaking Debian this time around.
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19:51<AlexLikeRock>K3B:
19:51<AlexLikeRock>No optical drive found.
19:51<AlexLikeRock>K3b did not find any optical device in your system.
19:51<AlexLikeRock>i can in the CD-room 1 y 2
19:52<AlexLikeRock>how to add cd-room to k3b?
19:54<Solo456>AlexLikeRock: are you running debian in a vm?
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19:57<AlexLikeRock>no
19:57<AlexLikeRock>HARDWARE
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19:58<AlexLikeRock>i can see inside of CD-room bye nautilus and dolphin
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19:58<musca>please check if your user is member of the cdrom group.
20:00<AlexLikeRock>how to check ?
20:00<AlexLikeRock>cat /etc/shadow ?
20:02<Marillion>AlexLikeRock: id - tell you that
20:02<AlexLikeRock>tanks
20:02<AlexLikeRock> id
20:02<AlexLikeRock>uid=1000(usuario) gid=1000(usuario) groups=1000(usuario),27(sudo),29(audio),120(vboxusers)
20:03<Marillion>dumb
20:03<AlexLikeRock>what ?
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20:05<Marillion>AlexLikeRock: what did you think?
20:05<AlexLikeRock>they no are CDROM :-D
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20:11<jgalt>how does one find the maintainer of a package?
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20:16<Marillion>jgalt: dpkg -s bar
20:16<Marillion>or the qa site of debian
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20:18<jgalt>qa site?
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20:19<Marillion>The Debian Quality Assurance (QA)
20:20<jgalt>also how does one find if a library is packaged by debian and what debian calls the package?
20:20<themill>apt-cache search
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20:33<lasagn42>hi
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20:33<jaccob>I plugged in D-Link Corp. AirPlus G DWL-G122 Wireless Adapter and install firmware-ralink but the light didn't turn on and I don't see wifi in my gnome-network-manager or wifi-radar
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20:34<jaccob>also dmesg says: Loading kernel module for a network device with CAP_SYS_MODULE (deprecated). Use CAP_NET_ADMIN and alias netdev- instead
20:34<valdyn>jaccob: thats ok, deprecated means just what it sais, its not an error
20:34<lasagn42>when a insert a ntfs formated usb drive, i get "error opening /dev/sdb1" permission denied and then it goes from there, my /bin/ntfs-3g is 777 , my /dev/sdb1 shows root:floppy and /etc/group has my username included in group floppy, my mountpoint of /media/* is 777 , i did everything and i don't get it working, i don't understand
20:35<jaccob>valdyn, thx
20:35<Brigo>jaccob, what kernel?
20:35<valdyn>lasagn42: none of what you listed affects permissions to access files on that disk
20:35<valdyn>lasagn42: how did you mount?
20:36<jaccob>Brigo 3.2.0-4-686-pae
20:36<lasagn42>valdyn, fstab says this: /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,users,noauto 0 0
20:36<valdyn>lasagn42: what the hell are you ruining your system by randomly changing permissions?
20:36<lasagn42>so i rely on fstab to do it
20:36<lasagn42>valdyn, it is just to test what is wrong, i can change it back later
20:37<valdyn>lasagn42: you get "permission denied" when doing what?
20:37<lasagn42>just inserting the usb flash drive and i cannot access on it
20:37<valdyn>lasagn42: no it didnt, what are you doing to produce that error message?
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20:38<Brigo>jaccob, can you paste the id from the lsusb output?
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20:38<lasagn42>"error mounting: mount exited with exit code 1: helper failed with " error opening /dev/sdb1: permission denied, failed to mount /dev/sdb1 please check /dev/sdb1 and the ntfs-3g binary permissions and the mounting user ID
20:38-!-trendynick [~trendynic@188.26.254.160] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
20:38<lasagn42>valdyn, i am just trying to have it auto mount rather than mount it as root manually
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20:39<Brigo>lasagn42, are you using wheezy?
20:39<valdyn>lasagn42: your ntfs binary needs to be suid root, not 777
20:39<jaccob>Brigo, ID 2001:3704
20:39<lasagn42>i don't know how to check what version i am using , but i am using the latest
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20:39<valdyn>lasagn42: see: -rwsr-xr-x
20:39<sleser>do uname -a
20:39<sleser>i think
20:40<lasagn42>how do i do suid as root?
20:40<gsimmons>jaccob: Your device revision uses a Prism chipset, not Ralink.
20:40<gsimmons>dpkg: tell jaccob -about p54usb
20:40<Marillion>lasagn42: and /bin/ntfs-3g is 777 is NOT depending of your write permissions on disk, your fstab call is defining
20:40<lasagn42>well my fstab says rw,users,noauto
20:40<Brigo>jaccob, in this web there are a card like yours, but usb id does not match:https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73
20:41<valdyn>lasagn42: your broke ntfs-3g, restore the old permissions
20:41<lasagn42>how do i set it to suid root?
20:41<valdyn>lasagn42: how did you break it?
20:41<valdyn>lasagn42: just reinstall the package
20:41<Marillion>lasagn42: /bin/ntfs-3g is 777 is a really stupid changing
20:41<lasagn42>i still would like to know how to do suid
20:42<Brigo>jaccob, look at this one: https://wiki.debian.org/prism54
20:42<valdyn>lasagn42: read the manpage(s) or
20:42<valdyn>!wikifaq lasagn42 Permissions
20:42<dpkg>lasagn42: check out http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions or if that doesn't work, try http://wiki.debian.org/
20:42<Brigo>jaccob, so your driver should be p54usb
20:42<valdyn>lasagn42: ...or read what dpkg said
20:43<lasagn42>i did suid and it still doesn't work
20:43<valdyn>lasagn42: youre still not being clear to what does not work
20:43<Marillion>lasagn42: read the manual of CHMOD
20:44<sleser>lasagn my fstab . shows UUID=76FE3C437ADB6C66 /media/76FE3C437ADB6C66 ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 under ntfs and things working
20:45<lasagn42>valdyn, auto mount under user login doesn't work for usb flash drives
20:45<jaccob>Brigo, tx
20:45<valdyn>sleser: and you arent clear as to what is working. Surely a user cant directly mount it with your fstab line
20:45<Brigo>jaccob, did it works?
20:45<jaccob>gsimmons, thx
20:45<valdyn>lasagn42: theres a gazillion automount mechanisms
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20:46<sleser>a user dosnt mount it it just automounts
20:46<sleser>i think thats what he was asking for
20:47<valdyn>lasagn42: when you plug the disk in, then udev creates the device file sdb1 and sets whatever permissions it is configured to set. I dont think it matters that you changed it in between
20:47<valdyn>sleser: yea, if youre in the plugdev group probably
20:47<jaccob>Brigo, didn't finish yet, 5mins
20:48<valdyn>sleser: im not sure how *that* permission is handled, though its probably that plugdev group...
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20:48<valdyn>!plugdev
20:48<dpkg>[plugdev] From 'Users and Groups in the Debian System': "Members of this group can access removable devices in limited ways without explicit configuration in /etc/fstab. This is useful for local users who expect to be able to insert and use CDs, USB drives, and so on." See also <groups>, <pmount>.
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20:48<valdyn>lasagn42: ^^
20:49<jaccob>Brigo, I copied it
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20:50<valdyn>sleser: did you create that fstab entry?
20:50<sleser>lasagn42 and if its a usb stick or device you wanto to auto everything . for exemple mine s hows . /dev/sdc /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 the usb devices work with this string on my fstab
20:50<jaccob>Brigo, It didn't turn on, I am going to try a reboot
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20:50<sleser>yeh i created that . that wasnt there on new install
20:50<Brigo>jaccob, thi is not windows, reboot will not help :)
20:51<sleser>guys here helped to do it . i didnt just on my own.
20:51<Brigo>usually :)
20:51<valdyn>sleser: not very useful if you have to create an fstab entry for every special case
20:51<sleser>you just do it one time
20:51<valdyn>sleser: this can work without
20:51<sleser>yes every case has to be there. if you want to automount . just one time thing . for life
20:51<valdyn>sleser: till you plug in two sticks at a time
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20:52<sleser>find 2 . info from your sticks . in terminal
20:52<valdyn>sleser: nah, you dont have to add fstab entries
20:52<sleser>add both
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20:52<valdyn>lasagn42: have you tried the plugdev group?
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20:54<jaccob>Brigo, no it didn't work
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20:54<jaccob>dpkg: tell jaccob -about p54usb
20:55<ioaksz>hey, im new in things with linux. I want to install a GC-driver to use my dualScreens, which driver i have to use? Last time i had few problems to set it up, cause of mine GC: "AMD Radeon HD 6870 x 2"
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20:56<Brigo>jaccob, you have to download the firmware for yourself
20:56<Brigo>from https://daemonizer.de/prism54/prism54-fw/fw-usb/2.13.1.0.lm86.arm
20:56<jaccob>I did, I downloaded it and then copied to /lib/firmware/isl3886usb
20:57<jaccob>oh supposed to be 7 not 6
20:57<gsimmons>Brigo, jaccob: No, that's the wrong one. As it's a ISL3887-based device, 2.13.25.0.lm87.arm / isl3887usb is required.
20:57<Brigo>sorry, then :)
20:57<jmcnaught>ioaksz: the open source radeon driver in Wheezy should support that GPU. That's the driver that's installed by default, but you might need to install "firmware-linux-nonfree" from the non-free section. Are you trying to do this right now and having some difficulty?
20:58<lasagn42>i can do "mount /media/usb0" just as a regular user without any problems, but it is just that the automount of inserting the usb flash drive and it mounting itself doesn't work
20:58<jaccob>gsimmons, thx, I just looked up the table, I got the wrong one
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21:00<jaccob>gsimmons, Brigo I saw the light, thx so much!
21:01<Brigo>jaccob, good for you.
21:01<Brigo>i go now, bye.
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21:02<ioaksz>jmcnaught: i would like to install the nonfree but i guess i dont got the right reference in my sources.list
21:03<jmcnaught>ioaksz: https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo this page has instructions for the radeon driver, including how to install the firmware.
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21:04<ioaksz>jmcnaught: oh thanks im going for it then :)
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21:10<valdyn>lasagn42: have you added yourself to the plugdev group, logged out and back in and tried again?
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21:12<lasagn42>apparently i was already in plugdev:x:46:user1
21:12<lasagn42>valdyn, "mount /media/usb0" works fine and without sudo , but just inserting and auto mount is what doesn't work
21:12<valdyn>lasagn42: of course it works when you have the users option turned on
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21:14<lasagn42>valdyn, everything with automount was working fine out of the box until i installed ntfsprogs , except when it auto mounted , i wasn't able to have write access, so i installed ntfsprogs and now auotmount doesn't wokr at all
21:15<lasagn42>i tried uninstalling ntfsprogs but it didn't change it back
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21:17<lasagn42>apparently i built a 2012 version of ntfs-3g , which is released every year, so let me try the 2014 version
21:18<valdyn>lasagn42: ntfs-3g is in debian...
21:18<lasagn42>but without internal fuse support
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21:19<lasagn42>okay
21:19<lasagn42>so i did a sudo apt-get remove ntfs-3g and now everythign works fine again
21:19<lasagn42>so, nothing makes sense as usual
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21:22<lasagn42>uninstall makes, then i rely on debian mount system, and i don't have write access when it automounts, then i did a apt-get install ntfs-3g , once again, and now i have rw access and everything is fixed, i am all confused, but whatever
21:23<valdyn>lasagn42: so youre mixing and mismatching different ntfs-3g versions
21:23<valdyn>lasagn42: no surprise things break
21:23<lasagn42>i see
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21:27<ioaksz>hey i just followed the instruction "wiki howtoati" and installed firmware nonfree, and cant login now on the gui... It says "There is a Problem which cant repaired from the system. Please contact the Systemadmin" -.-
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21:30<jmcnaught>ioaksz: Does it have you in a text-mode console? Can you log in and check the logs?
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21:32<ioaksz>jmcnaught: im actl. in the console... using irssi..
21:33<ioaksz>/bin/sh: 1: noprint: not found
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21:34<jmcnaught>ioaksz: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file on http://paste.debian.net?
21:34<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell ioaksz about pastebinit
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21:36<ioaksz>/bin/sh: 1: noprint: not found
21:38<ioaksz>/bin/sh: 1: noprint: not found
21:38<ioaksz>/bin/sh: 1: nopaste: not found
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21:39<ioaksz>http://paste.debian.net/111723/
21:39<ioaksz>jmcnaught: does it work?
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21:41<jmcnaught>ioaksz: I don't see any errors in that. What told you "There is a Problem ..."? Did you get the graphical login greeter at all, and you couldn't log into your desktop session? Try to include as many details as you can.
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21:43<DyNaMiTe>hola
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21:48<ioaksz>jmcnaught: its a German Error Message... My Englisch is so bad -.- .. after Loading the Kernel and other Stuff it trys to start the GUI, the point where i normaly should login is a graphical Error, which says somthing like: "Ther is a Problem, which cant get repairt by system, pls contact the Systemadmin"
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21:48<Mono>Hey, is there a good live distribution based on Debian that runs from a USB drive?
21:48<Mono>That I can update and install programs to?
21:49<jmcnaught>dpkg: tell ioaksz about de
21:50<ioaksz>jmcnaught: http://www.pic-upload.de/view-24028241/image.jpg.html
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21:51<jmcnaught>ioaksz: you might try a German language channel if that's easier for you :) Or if you want to continue in English, do you use Gnome? Did you install "libgl1-mesa-dri" package like the AtiHowto suggested?
21:52<ioaksz>jmcnaught: i use gnome yes, but i didnt install libgl1-mesa-dri. u want me to install it?
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21:52<jmcnaught>ioaksz: Yes, it's in the AtiHowto instructions :) Also did you reboot after installing the firmware?
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21:53<ioaksz>jmcnaught: y i rebooted after the installing
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21:54<ioaksz>jmcnaught: my fault btw. i installed the libgl1-mesa-dri
21:54<ioaksz>jmcnaught: allready
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21:56<jmcnaught>ioaksz: can you pastebinit this command: dmesg | grep -E 'drm|radeon' | grep -iE 'firmware|microcode'
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21:59<abrotman>Mono: yes, Debian
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21:59<Mono>So I can update the live image I'm running right now?
21:59<ioaksz>jmcnaught: i would like to but i have to change my keyboardlayout from german to us... cause im using a US keyboard and while my system uses the german layout i cant paste the symbol after "dmesg"
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22:01<abrotman>update from what to what?
22:01<jmcnaught>ioaksz: it's a pipe symbol, but I have no idea where it would be on a german keyboard. Maybe try a german debian channel? Or maybe someone here will have some better ideas.
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22:05<ioaksz>jmcnaught: need to restart give me a sec
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22:13<oldlaptop>Mono: consult the documentation at live.debian.net; in particular see the information about persistence
22:13<jmcnaught>I just realized that gdm3 has its only logs in /var/log/gdm3 (duh) so when ioaksz gets back maybe someone could suggest he pastebin /var/log/gdm3/:0-greeter.log in case I'm no longer around. He might also try a different DM I suppose.
22:14<oldlaptop>it is also possible to do a regular install to some kind of removable media
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22:20<kamil>hello
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22:38<GustavoNP>hey
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22:39<GustavoNP>someone has already saw an error like that? XXXX kernel: [ 505.206855] bash[3934]: segfault at 7fff49c7ae64 ip 000000000042a88a sp 00007fff49c7ae30 error 6 in bash[400000+e5000]
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22:46<zack6849>Hey guys, i'm running into something incredibly strange, my OS is telling me my hard disk is 100% full, when it's a 230gb partition and on top of that, i JUST installed this today, df -h shows 100% usage, and the largest folder on the entire system is /home/, and my home folder has next to nothing in it
22:46<zack6849>any ideas what the hell could be causing that?
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22:48<zack6849>i take that back, my stuff is saying i have 211 gb in my home folder
22:48<zack6849>but i dont see it, or can't find where all this data is..
22:48<GinoMan>Ok... I'm back. I finally got it all reinstalled for the most par
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22:48<GinoMan>part*
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22:48<sney>du -hs directoryname will tell you how big a dir is
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22:51<jmcnaught>zack6849: can you put the output of "df -h" on http://paste.debian.net/ so we can see too?
22:51<zack6849>yeah, one moment
22:51<GinoMan>Ok. someone here gave me the "don't break debian" article and so I wanted to know, if you wanted to install the cutting edge version of a particular package because you're studying the new features of it, what is the debian way of doing that?
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22:52<zack6849>http://paste.debian.net/111726/
22:52<zack6849>it's all in my home folder
22:52<zack6849>but ive downloading nothing but teamspeak and intellij idea
22:52<zack6849>there's no way this is stuff I did
22:52<jmcnaught>GinoMan: there are a few ways. You could run jessie or unstable in a virtual machine, an LXC container, a chroot. There's also wheezy-backports for safely installing newer versions to Wheezy.
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22:52<GinoMan>It's not in backports
22:53<jmcnaught>GinoMan: what is the software in question? Have you considered running VMs? libvirt/KVM with virt-manager as a GUI is pretty easy to get started with
22:54<GinoMan>clang 3.3
22:55<jmcnaught>zack6849: I thought at first that maybe you had separate / and /home partitions but that isn't the case. You could keep drilling down with "du -h" to find out where all the enormous files are. If you can start X "baobab" is a pretty nice visualizer of disk usage.
22:55<zack6849>it's xsession-errors
22:55<zack6849>no fucking clue how it generated 211 gb of errors...
22:55<zack6849>i dont even want to know
22:56<GustavoNP>zack6849: find . -type f -size +1G 2>/dev/null | xargs ls -lah
22:56<GustavoNP>ftw
22:56<zack6849>like i said, it's my .xsession-errors file, should i even TRY to open it?
22:56<sney>zack6849: well, 'tail'
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22:57<zack6849>yeah, i tried tailing, but as you can imagine
22:57<sney>GinoMan: backporting compilers can be a weird experience. it might be possible though
22:57<zack6849>that's taking quite a while to process
22:57<GinoMan>Well the primary reason: clang has full C++11 support in 3.3, Debian includes 3.0
22:57<jmcnaught>GinoMan: or try making a Jessie chroot with https://wiki.debian.org/Schroot
22:58<sney>regardless, .xsession-errors can be safely deleted (rm -f && touch so that X doesn't scream if it's running) though you'll still want to know why
22:58<GustavoNP>someone has already saw an error like that? XXXX kernel: [ 505.206855] bash[3934]: segfault at 7fff49c7ae64 ip 000000000042a88a sp 00007fff49c7ae30 error 6 in bash[400000+e5000]
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22:58<sney>GustavoNP: most people have seen segfaults before, yes. is that your only question? :P
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22:59<GustavoNP>sney lol, no actually I'm getting this whenever I try to execute a remote command using ssh
22:59<GustavoNP>or even a simple scp
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22:59<zack6849>if its spewing that much stuff, it's sagfe to assume killing the file would be okay and it would fill again, right?
22:59<sney>zack6849: if the file is still growing, yes
22:59<zack6849>well it can't anymore
22:59<sney>though if it's smaller you'll have an easier time knowing what the error is
22:59<zack6849>it used up everything it could
22:59<zack6849>lol
23:00<sney>that's pretty impressive either way. how long was the system running? you said it's a new install?
23:00<zack6849>indeed
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23:00<zack6849>i installed xorg's driver for radeon, changed it to jessie and upgraded
23:01<sney>might be worth checking the bts for similar reports
23:01<zack6849>bts?
23:01<GinoMan>Is the bad-stuff that could happen if I install it from source just that you can't interact with it through the package manager?
23:01<GinoMan>or is there other bad scary things that could happen
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23:02<jaccob>I have a debian squeeze install cd from 2010 back when it was testing, will it install squeeze stable of today?
23:02<pen>having video problem with an installed 7.5 32 bit system after I moved disk to a 64 bit system
23:03<pen>video is scrambled
23:03<pen>If I connect my tv monito via hdmi, it works fine
23:03<sney>GinoMan: well, you'll need to install the support libs as well, and for compilers there are usually several, and you do run the risk of interfering with some important libc thing that the system relies on. I don't know how much that applies to clang as it does to gcc, but I'd still be wary
23:03<sney>pen: try a 64-bit kernel? you can just install the package from your 32-bit system without reinstalling
23:03<sney>jaccob: if it's a netinstall, yes.
23:04<pen>how do I do that?
23:04<sney>jaccob: though squeeze is now oldstable. current stable is wheezy
23:04<sney>pen: apt-get install linux-image-amd64 should do
23:04<sney>(and then reboot once it's done)
23:04<jaccob>sney actual I have squeeze stable, will it install wheezy stable?
23:04<GustavoNP>zack6849: split the file and check what king of error is happening there
23:04<jmcnaught>GinoMan: try doing a Jessie chroot with schroot, it doesn't take long and it works pretty well. you can even run X applications and still access /home from inside the chroot
23:04<sney>jaccob: no, they are separate releases.
23:04<pen>let me try that
23:05<jaccob>oh darn, upgrades take forever
23:05<zack6849>GustavoNP, too late, i removed it because i needed space
23:05<zack6849>lol
23:05<GustavoNP>sney any idea about the segfault on my case: ssh?
23:05<GustavoNP>lol
23:05<jmcnaught>zack6849: also Jessie is supported in #debian-next :)
23:05<sney>jaccob: you can upgrade to wheezy from squeeze, but you'll use at least as much bandwidth as if you just downloaded the wheezy netinstaller instead. couple hundred megabytes
23:05<jaccob>I just burnt a net install cd but it won't boot for some reason, but my old cd's are working fine
23:06<zack6849>ah
23:06<zack6849>it wasnt really a jesse specific issue though
23:06<zack6849>in fact, i think the issue may have been related to wheezy
23:06<somiaj>jaccob: how did you burn the cd? Assuming this is an actual cd and you put the image file on just fine? Can you run an md5sum on the file you downloaded to ensure it wasn't corrupted.
23:06<jaccob>or do the new cd's take a while to start?
23:06<sney>jaccob: you can also use the current iso on usb media instead of an actual CD, tends to be a little more reliable for some reason. they are hybrid images and can be written directly
23:06<jaccob>somiaj, burn iso image using brazzero
23:06<zack6849>i updated things, left my pc for a while, it rebooted, i assume into the one with the old kernel, and stufck at a black screen when i was gone, i presume it spewed all that stuff when it was stuck at the black screen.
23:07<jaccob>sney, this laptop is really old, it doesn' have usb or wifi
23:07<jmcnaught>zack6849: if it's still happening in jessie it's now a jessie issue. You should try and get something from .xsession-errors to put on http://paste.debian.net and ask in #debian-next
23:07<sney>no usb at all? wow. even the first laptop I owned back in 1999 had a couple usb ports
23:07<pen>Unpacking linux-image-amd64 (from .../linux-image-amd64_3.2+46_i386.deb) ...
23:07<pen>Errors were encountered while processing:
23:07<pen> /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64_3.2.60-1+deb7u1_i386.deb
23:07<pen>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
23:07-!-pen was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
23:07<jaccob>the cursor is blinking, for at least two mins now, how long should a wait, I can give up alreay eh. anyone did a recent install? do they take longer?
23:07<zack6849>that's the thing, i'm not sure if it is still happening
23:08<zack6849>i deleted the file and it hasnt been written to
23:08<zack6849>i assume it isn't, in which case i'm all good
23:08<sney>jaccob: I've done a couple installs pretty recently and it only takes a second or two to boot. though on your old crusty system it might take longer and other things could be broken as well
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23:08<GustavoNP>cat /var/log/syslog | grep segfault | wc -l
23:08<GustavoNP>573
23:08<sney>GustavoNP: frequent predictable segfaults are often an indicator of ram problems
23:09<jaccob>sney, the old cd's start up right away, I guess my burner is no good or the dvdrom on this old laptop can't read em
23:09<sney>could be either. oh... at that age - try burning the cd slower, like at 4x
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23:10<GustavoNP>sney: its odd, everything was fine with this wheezy fresh install
23:10<jaccob>When I pop the cd, it show edd Error 3100 reading sector, and then vesamenu.c32: not a com32R image /n boot:
23:10<sney>well, that's the last thing that happens before you have a hardware problem
23:10<zack6849>anyways, i'm gonna go ahead and part
23:10<sney>you don't. :)
23:10<zack6849>thanks for the help guys :D
23:11<sney>jaccob: not a familiar error. try burning the iso slower if you have another blank
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23:12<GustavoNP>sney I tried something here.. instead of using: ssh root@server "cmd"
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23:12<GustavoNP>I've used echo "cmd" | ssh root@server
23:12<jaccob>there's only two option, maximum and 24x, so I chose the 24x this time, so we'll see
23:13<GustavoNP>using on that way the segfault doesn't happen
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23:13<pen>I ran apt-get install linux-image-amd64
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23:14<GustavoNP>I imagine that it might be something related with my private key, libssl, openssh version
23:14<GustavoNP>i don't know
23:14<sney>pen: if you have error output to show us, use http://paste.debian.net/ or similar
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23:15<pen>I get error message: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned error code 1
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23:15<Guest3860>没人么
23:15<Guest3860>怎么用的
23:15<Guest3860>。。。
23:15<pen>I am new to irc, I got kicked off when I tried to paste, not sure how to do it nicely
23:16<Guest3860>what ???
23:16<jmcnaught>pen: paste it to http://paste.debian.net/ and give us the link
23:16<pen>debhelper kicked me off when I copied and pasted
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23:17<jmcnaught>pen: paste.debian.net is a website you can paste as much as you want there. it will give you a link that you can report back to us with that will fit on a single line
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23:19<pen>http://paste.debian.net/plain/111727
23:20<pen>it ran for a while but died with that message
23:23<pen>sney, did you get my pasted text?
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23:30<jaccob>sney, yeah a slow burn did it, it works now
23:31<penagn>sney, for some reason pen had trouble connecting, so I changed my handle to penagn
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23:32<somiaj>penagn: I'm unsure why the postinst script is having trouble processing that script.
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23:33<somiaj>usually it gives more errors than that, what command did you run to install this new kernel, need to figure out what the actuall error is.
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23:34<penagn>apt-get install linux-image-amd64
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23:36<penagn>it ran for a while but died at some point. My sources.list say contrib non-free at end of every entry that starts with deb
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23:44<penagn>http://paste.debian.net/111728 is the whole process, any idea what is wrong?
23:48<somiaj>line 31 is your actual error, see? It says it can't copy a file due to either bad permissions or something to that.
23:48<somiaj>you can start by looking at the permissions of the char directory
23:48<somiaj>ls -ld /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/
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23:49<jgalt>how can I find the maintainer and other package info about libjson-c2 on debian wheezy. it seems it's only in backports and at present running dpkg -s libjson-c2 yields http://pastebin.com/C2ssVnnR
23:50<stderr>penagn / somiaj: line 31 says "No space left on device".
23:51<somiaj>oh I didn't see it go outside the box, it wwas cut off on my screen
23:51<gh0st>how do I install a graphics driver to a specified kernel that is not default?
23:51<somiaj>penagn: yes listen to stderr I didn't read the whole line as I didn't notice it didn't wrap. :/
23:51<penagn>do I need to expand root partition?
23:52<stderr>Or delete/move some stuff.
23:52<somiaj>penagn: or clean it up, figure out what is using your space and decide what to do. But yes you need moe space
23:52<somiaj>gh0st: what do you mean not default?
23:52<gh0st>I mean, not latest
23:53<somiaj>what graphics driver, the dkms packages will built kernels for any kernel that has the headers isntalled
23:53<stderr>penagn: Try apt-get autoclean
23:53<gh0st>bumblebee optimus
23:53<gh0st>nvidia
23:53<stderr>penagn: Or just apt-get clean
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23:54<penagn>E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
23:54<penagn>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
23:55<abrotman>have to be root?
23:56<penagn>I am root when I did apt-get
23:57<somiaj>then you may have another process running
23:58<somiaj>penagn: du -h /var/cache/apt/archives (how much space is used there)?
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23:58<gh0st>FATAL: Module bbswitch not found.
23:59<penagn>4.0K /var/cache/apt/archives/partial
23:59<penagn>8.0K /var/cache/apt/archives
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