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---Logopened Sat Jul 26 00:00:21 2014
00:01<gh0st>im trying to install the mumblebee optmius nvidia package from wheezy backport, but run into this message when installing the bbswitch-dkms
00:01<gh0st>Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
00:01<gh0st>kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
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00:05<penagn>according to gparted, I have 90mib unused on /, 5.87GiB on /usr, 2.38gib on /var, 357mib on /tmp, and 96gib /home
00:06<penagn>not sure what to clean up
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00:08<stderr>penagn: /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/char/tlclk.ko.dpkg-new is located on /, so that's where you need to clean up. How big is that partition?
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01:30<gh0st>im trying to install the mumblebee-nvidia optmius package from wheezy backport, but run into this message when installing the bbswitch-dkms
01:30<gh0st>Module build for the currently running kernel was skipped since the
01:30<gh0st>kernel source for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
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01:31<gh0st>ah, I realized you have to use generic linux headers
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05:05<nem0x>I have a problem Lemp works ok, but not in /home/xxx/public_html
05:05<nem0x>What is the problem? How check ?
05:05<nem0x>root /usr/share/nginx/html; <- ok
05:06<nem0x>root /home/xxx/public_html; <- not working
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06:15<lord_rob>Hi! How long is oldstable supported on average?
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06:26<grove>For the last couple of releases, oldstable has received security updates for a year after a new stable was released. For squeeze LTS has been announced, meaning that on i386 and amd64 will be supported for 5 years in total.
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06:35<lord_rob>thanks grove and gnugr
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08:41<thesecret>hello anybody help me
08:41<thesecret>i cant install adobe on my lucid
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08:43<flambait>thesecret: i don't remember of a debian called lucid
08:45<thesecret>i have ubuntu 10.04,, and i need to install flash plugin
08:45<thesecret>can u tell me how to install it via command?
08:45<piper>thesecret: please don't message me without my permission
08:46<piper>and this is a debian channel, not ubuntu
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08:46<flambait>thesecret: ask on ubuntu channel then
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09:01<pen>Debian 7.5 successfully installed on 32 bit Dell. Moved disk drive to 64 bit Gigabyte motherboard
09:01<pen>and monitor video is scrambled, but works at 1080p on TV. However, shutdown does not work, can't
09:01<pen>apt-get install linux-image-amd64, it says device is out of space. apt-get autoclean not helping.
09:01<pen>Any suggestions?
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09:05<pen> any help would be appreciated
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09:08<oldlaptop>is the disk actually full? what does df -h say?
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09:08<oldlaptop>You should not need to change architectures moving from an i386 machine to an amd64 machine
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09:09<oldlaptop>(i.e. it is unlikely installing an amd64 kernel will solve your problem?)
09:10<pen>75M free on /
09:11<pen>live images don't work on this machine, even though xubuntu, mint, fedora work fine as does win 7
09:11<pen>something about debian does not like this machine
09:11<pen>gigabyte mobo ga-b85m-d3h
09:12<oldlaptop>perhaps you need firmware-linux-nonfree or similar
09:13<oldlaptop>kernel images are *big* these days, that's probably not enough room
09:14<pen>I updated sources.list with contrib non-free
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09:15<oldlaptop>you need to explicitly install firmware-linux-nonfree
09:15<oldlaptop>(wouldn't even need to add nonfree to sources, it has no dependencies to speak of)
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09:19<pen>can't do any installs because it keeps complaining no space on device
09:19<oldlaptop>You certainly need to free some disk
09:20<oldlaptop>if /var is not a separate partition, look in there
09:20<oldlaptop>'du -hs /var' or so (may take a while)
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09:23<pen>I am typing on xchat but nothing comes out, any ideas?
09:23<pen>now working
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09:44<BluesKaj>Hiyas all
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09:47<penagn> can anyone help?
09:48<centrx>penagn, It's installing on the / partition. 90MIB is probably not enough space to do it properly
09:49<penagn>how do I fix that?
09:49<centrx>penagn, You should also always have 5% of your disk free
09:49<centrx>penagn, Free more space or fix your partitions
09:49<babilen>penagn: Install again and choose sensible sizes for your partitions. You might also want to reconsider your choice to split / into multiple partitions (but *please* use more space for most of them so that you don't run into this all the time)
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09:50<devil>penagn: parted shows 90Mib unused on / <=== not enough for a kernel
09:50<penagn>problem is I can't reinstall on this 64 bit machine, I'd need to use my old 32 bit to get started
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09:50<penagn>live won't work on this machine
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09:51<babilen>Well, then boot *something* that lets you resize those disks.
09:51<BluesKaj>and use autoremove periodically
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09:52<penagn>I can do that, but I don't have contiguous space for /
09:52<penagn>any suggestions?
09:52<babilen>Use whatever procedure you use to install Debian in the first place and just do it again
09:53<penagn>the next partition is /usr
09:53<centrx>and this time set up one partition to keep it simple
09:53<babilen>Or shrink whatever partition you made largest (/home probably), move partitions and then enlarge them.
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09:54<babilen>If you managed to install Debian once I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to do it a second time.
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09:55<penagn>I can do it on 32 bit machine by taking disk out, that just seems clumsy, live does not work on this machine
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09:56<babilen>And you can't use a normal Debian installer?
09:56<babilen>Download the image, burn it (or write it to USB), boot from it and off you go!
09:56<penagn>I have 7.5 and 7.6 live, neither work, video is scrambled
09:56<penagn>on this machine
09:56<babilen>I am not talking about live
09:57<babilen>dpkg: tell penagn -about firmware image
09:57<babilen>That would be an option
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09:58<penagn>here is a plan, what do you think: erase image and combine all partitions together (100G), but what do I use to install?
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10:00<babilen>What prevents you from simply booting the normal Debian installer?
10:00<penagn>how do I do that?
10:00<babilen>dpkg: tell penagn -about install debian
10:01<penagn>not sure what that means
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10:01<babilen>penagn: Well, as I said before: Download the image (or any other linked on, write them to a blank disk or to a USB stick, boot from it and install.
10:02<babilen>dpkg: tell penagn -about usb install
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10:03<penagn>tried that but when I went to the help menu, machine died
10:04<penagn>not sure I trust it unless I see it working live, don't want to get deeper into a wormhole
10:05<penagn>I burned the netinstall cd, but when I tried it, it hung on the help menu, not a good sign
10:06<babilen>Help menu? And you used the one with firmware? What kind of GPU do you have?
10:07<penagn>I have standard intel video on the motherboard, no extra video card
10:07<babilen>How old is that box?
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10:08<babilen>(do you know which intel gpu it is?)
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10:09<babilen>Well, try the install with firmware. Then try the testing installer or a current Ubuntu. It might very well be that you require a newer Xorg/kernel version.
10:09<penagn>ga-b85m-d3h is the gigabyte motherboard bought about 4 months ago. GPU is whatever comes on mobo, not sure how to look it up
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10:10<penagn>Xubuntu, mint and Fedora (latest versions) work fine
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10:12<babilen>There you go then, might be that all you need is a backports kernel, but I would guess that a newer Xorg (or, well, xserver-xorg-video-intel) is required too. You can't grab that from backports which leaves you with testing (+ unstable in <tum>), but I am not sure if running a development release of Debian is such a splendid idea for you.
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10:16<penagn> has more detail
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10:22<dennisg>@penagn: you installed debian to your hd, while it was attached to a 32-bit machine, connected that hd to a 64-bit-machine and now try to install a 64-bit-kernel? Is that correct?
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10:24<dennisg>and you did the same with the other distros you mentioned?
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10:25<penagn>that is correct, other distros work fine, debian does not
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10:27<dennisg>first of all, as one can see in the po(a)sted log, the 64-bit kernel tries to use 105 MB of disk space on a hd, that has 90 MiB free space left.
10:29<penagn>I realize that, I am trying to figure out my next step
10:30<dennisg>so repartitioning your drive is highly recommended, e.g. /var doesn't need 2,33 GiB free space imho
10:31<dennisg>how big is /home?
10:31<penagn>I did not select those partition sizes, the install did it
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10:32<dennisg>I suppose you did the same with your other distros? take the default partitioning?
10:32<penagn>home is 100g
10:33<dennisg>btw, what's the size of / in total?
10:33<penagn>gparted says 333mib
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10:35<penagn>the install created root, usr, var, tmp and home, unlike the other distros where there are 1 or 2 partitions
10:35<dennisg>could you please give the sizes of all debian-related partitions? 333 MiB seems a bit small
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10:35<babilen>penagn: As I told you: You probably need a new version of xserver-xorg-video-xorg and with those partitions sizes you won't get far. I woudl *strongly* recommend a new install and it seems as if you either have to track testing in Debian (not sure if a good idea) or use a different distribution (e.g. latest Ubuntu release)
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10:36<babilen>333M is way too small
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10:36<penagn>usr is 8.3g, var is 2.8g, swap is 4g, tmp is 380m, home is 100g
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10:37<dennisg>what i don't understand is that tiny / ,compared to the other partitions.
10:38<BluesKaj>penwhay all the partitions , i don't see any advantage to them except a / and /home
10:38<penagn>seems like my best bet is to repartition and start from scratch
10:38<BluesKaj>err penagn why
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10:38<penagn>as I said, I did not set partition, installer did it
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10:39<BluesKaj>installer doesn't create those kind of parttions
10:40<penagn>this disk has debian as first set of partitions, then I have mint, xubuntu and fedora and some ntfs space
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10:41<penagn>If I eliminate first partition on this disk, does that mean I am losing grub also?
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10:41<penagn>the grub boots all the other linux distros
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10:47<dennisg>afaik, the grub is placed in a small partition right at the beginning of the disk, so by removing the debian-related partitions the other distros shouldn't be affected, but i'm looking that up to confirm it
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10:48<towo`>grub is placed in mbr or pbr, not in a partition
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10:51<dennisg>@towo: correct. as i wrote, i have to look that up.
10:52<dennisg>@towo: but it is correct, that th grub itself shouldn't be affected by removing7repartitioning the debian
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10:52<towo`>dennisg, only a little part of grub is placed in mbr
10:53<dennisg>*-related partitions?
10:53<towo`>if the removed partition contents the config of that grub, grub will not boot anymore
10:55<dennisg>so you will have to use a live-distro to restore it, right?
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10:57<dennisg>but if you repartition and install a system that uses grub, it should work as before?
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10:57<Kureyslii>Kovulmuþ Þeytandan Allaha sýðýnýrým. - Allahtan baþka ilah yoktur Hz muhammed s.a.v. onun kulu ve elçisidir.!
10:57<Kureyslii>Allahü teâlâya yemin ederim ki, ölüm meleðini görmek, bin kýlýç darbesinden daha þiddetlidir. Yine Allahü teâlâya yemin ederim ki, mümin bir kulun her damarý ölüm acýsýný duymadýkça, caný çýkmaz.! Hz muhammed (s.a.v.)
10:57<Kureyslii> Fakat salih mümin, kurþun yaðmuruna tutulsa, bu acýyý duymaz.! Namaz’ýn önemi büyük.!
10:57<Kureyslii>I did the obligatory prayers five times a day to the nation. And I promised myself that, who (beside me) taking care not to make the five daily prayers comes ahead of time, I'll put it to heaven. Who says prayer does not show attention to me I do not have a word for it.! Prophet Muhammad (s.a.v.)
10:57<Kureyslii>hell if you did until the needle tip could not remove your head from prostration Prophet Muhammad pbuh
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10:57<BluesKaj>the installer will install grub to the mbr
10:58<penagn>since there is a risk of removing first partition, I will only remove and hopefully merge usr, var, tmp, home into one partition, sound OK?
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10:59<penagn>I have linux-swap partition, which was created by debian install, any way to check whether the other distros rely on it?
11:00<penagn>my concern is I'll break everything on that disk and have to start fresh, big job
11:00<BluesKaj>no need to check, they all use the linux swap
11:01<dennisg>home should be seperate;on many distros you only have / and /home, with / containing /usr,/var,/tmp as a folder rather than a seperate partition.
11:04<dennisg>actually, i think, a complete repartitioning shouldn't be necessary, a resizing of especially / and /home would be sufficient.
11:06<penagn>how do I resize / since /usr is right after it
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11:07<penagn>root is first, then I have extended where usr is first in extended followed by var, swap, tmp, home
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11:08<penagn>to increase size of /, I'd go into extended boundary
11:08<dennisg>oh, so root is placed in a primary partition, while the rest is contained within an extended one.
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11:10<dennisg>don't resize the extended partition without resizing the logical volumes inside it!
11:10<dennisg>this way you w i l l have to reinstall.
11:11<penagn>I have one logical volume for fedora inside, rest are standard partititions
11:11<babilen>penagn: Once you done all this *you will still have an old Xorg*
11:13<penagn>I am still trying to figure out how best to proceed
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11:18<dennisg>is there any relevant data placed on /home
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11:19<babilen>penagn: I told you?
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11:20<penagn>I don't need to save home
11:21<penagn>got 100g there
11:22<penagn>I could abandon all the partitions and just reuse home, I guess
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11:23<penagn>only lose about 10g by abandoning those other partitions
11:24<dennisg>but that's where your system is
11:24<penagn>I could abandon that system and simply start from scratch on /home, leaving all the other distros on that disk intact
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11:26<penagn>However, I still don't know how to get debian to work on this machine without taking out the disk and putting it into an old dell 32 bit machine, which is where I started from
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11:30<babilen>And why is that?
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11:34<penagn>what's the chance of getting a live image to work on this machine? I just don't trust the install images since the netinstall cd does not seem to work properly when I go to help
11:34<penagn>I am concerned I'll wipe out the whole disk with one of these images
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11:39<dennisg>an installable live-distro won't harm your hd unless you start the installation and confirm any changes to your partitions within the process. that's part of the purpose of a live-system: give that system a try without harming the installed system.
11:41<penagn>problem is 7.5 and 7.6 live images scramble my video
11:41<penagn>so there seems to be a problem
11:42<penagn>If they worked, I would trust them to reinstall on top of what I have there
11:42<dennisg>i recall growing a dedicated win7-system-partition with a linux-live-system
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11:43<dennisg>actually, i don't recall it, i just know that i did that, but i can't recall the entire process.ö
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11:51<valvalion>plop, want resize / is iit realistically feasible with a chance of success !=0 ?
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11:52<valvalion>I mean, clone the SSD on an another volume for backup, and then GpartedLive, resize and displace /home, /swap et resize /
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12:50<hmmok>Hello. Could somebody help me make sure my linux machine has already the graphic's card's drivers installed? Thanks.
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12:53<Brigo>hmmok, you can find it in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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12:54<valvalion>resize / easy as fuck ! displace all the shit to the right, resize / ... make the backup image took more time to the all gparted stuff :D
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12:55<hmmok>Brigo: what was the command that prints the graphic card a machine is running?
12:56<hmmok>i mean its name
12:56<mtn>hmmok: do you mean lspci?
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12:57<Brigo>hmmok, if such command exist i do not know. I use to check logs directly
12:57<k>try debian wiki nvidia or debian wiki ati on google.
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12:58<k>there's a wiki about bumblebee as well
12:58<hmmok>mtn, correct. Brigo, don't worry, mtn is right :D
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12:58<phoenixbyrd>trying to repartition my drive but it has a keypad icon and won't let me resize, how can I fix this?
12:59<k>hmmok, lspci, or install kinfocenter for a gui app that shows allhardware
12:59<phoenixbyrd>googled it and it's saying something about lvm
12:59<Apollo>phoenixbyrd: keypad icon usually indicates insuficient permissions
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13:00<mtn>phoenixbyrd: are you trying to partition a mounted drive? if so, you can't do that. use gparted from a live disk.
13:00<phoenixbyrd>was trying from a live cd
13:01<mtn>phoenixbyrd: is the drive mounted?
13:01<k>phoenixbyrd, were you root when you tried to repartition?
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13:02<k>mtn if phoenixbyrd was using a live cd, sda for example shouldn't been mounted
13:02<phoenixbyrd>it wasn't showing as mounted, wouldn't give me an option to mount/unmount. Not sure how to get root through the live cd. I'm still fairly new to linux
13:02<mtn>k: it would be if he mounted it ;)
13:02<k>mtn, yep
13:03<phoenixbyrd>it mounted the boot partition, I unmounted that but still couldn't resize the lv partition
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13:23<Guest3912>on ubuntu 14.04 live cd, I can resize the partition now, but it's only letting me do 44MB but I have a 1.5TB drive
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13:28<Brigo>!tell Guest3912 about ubuntu
13:28<sney>Brigo: context. :P
13:29<Guest3912>I'm not asking for ubuntu support, I'm asking for gparted support
13:29<Brigo>sney, sorry, i think do not understand :)
13:30<Guest3912>I'm just trying to resize a partition, but it's not letting me do so more than 44MB
13:30<sney>Brigo: this guy has been trying to get help with a partition resize for a debian system, the livecd is just a troubleshooting step
13:30<Brigo>Guest3912, are you using debian, then?
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13:31<Guest3912>not at the moment, but it doesn't matter what distro it is, gparted is the tool being used, it works the same across all distro's. If you don't know or don't want to help, fine, but quit being a dick about it
13:32<Guest3912>I'm trying to resize a partition, doesn't matter what is on it
13:32<mtn>Guest3912: nice attitude when asking for help with ubuntu on a debian channel ;)
13:32<Guest3912>I did ask nice
13:32<Brigo>guest3912 what about " about ubuntu (Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on instead." you did not understand?
13:33<mtn>Guest3912: calling someone a dick is NOT nice
13:33<Guest3912>Not asking anything about ubuntu, do you understand?
13:33<Brigo>the message is a bit bad: only debian stable is supported here.
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13:34<Brigo>Guest3912, i am just courious: why don't you ask in #ubuntu channel or #parted channel?
13:34<Guest3912>Not asking anything about OS/Distro specifics, asking about how to get gparted to resize more than 44MB
13:35<BluesKaj>Guest3912, then ask in ##linux om freenode
13:35<sney>parted channel does sound like a good idea
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13:35<Brigo>and linux's one too
13:36<TobiX>Aaaand, he's gone...
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13:38<Brigo>i would help him if only i see a please.
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13:39<Brigo>s/see/saw, i think :m
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13:40<jmcnaught>Brigo: even if he had been polite, if we keep helping users of Ubuntu and other derivatives then they keep coming back which could crowd out the actual Debian users who need help. It's not that hard to find an approriate channel, and there's nothing stopping them from using Debian :)
13:41<Brigo>jmcnaught, of course i agree.
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14:03<BluesKaj>jmcnaught, some ppl have a sense of entitlement that goes beyond courtesy...I've it a lot over the yrs
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14:04<BluesKaj>seen it
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14:11<daly0>hello, can i run a browser installed on my drive during a live-cd session ? I want to save my browsers bookmarks file from an instable system but can`t find the bookmarks.html anywhere in the config files.
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14:15<somiaj>daly0: if the only thing you can't do is boot your system you can run it from a working kernel (chroot) and then run X from within that, but running an Xorg app from within a chroot takes a little bit of work. Any reason you can't just copy the bookmark folder?
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14:20<somiaj>daly0: sorry I meant you can do that from a chroot. If you boot into a rescue kernel (don't load xorg) you might be able to load xorg from within your system. You can also use find to try to find the bookmark file
14:20<somiaj>daly0: also what webrowser, that can help you locate the file
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14:25<dennisg>checked this with iceweasel and opera: you can save or export the bookmarks file of a running session to any location you have write access to from within the browser. have a look at bookmarks--> manage bookmarks.
14:25<daly0>somiaj: Thanks. I can access all my files i just can`t find the Chromium bookmarks file, I've been searching for it for the last 8 hours. I tried to get xorg running again on my system, won`t work.
14:26<dennisg>ok, with a defunct xorg that won't work
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14:28<BluesKaj>daly0, sisn in to google and you'll see the option to append your boomarks from previous chrome browser versions if you used any
14:28<BluesKaj>err sign in
14:29<jmcnaught>daly0: I don't know where Chromium keeps its bookmarks but it's probably something like ~/.chromium. It sounds like you have Debian installed already but Xorg is broken and you're trying to rescue files from a live disk? If the broken Debian you have installed is Jessie or Unstable (which has had Xorg related trouble recently) you could try asking in #debian-next for help fixing your system.
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14:33<daly0>jmcnaught: "you have Debian installed already but Xorg is broken and you're trying to rescue files from a live disk?" yes exactly. The system was Debian Testing.
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14:34<jmcnaught>daly0: Debian Jessie (Testing) is supported in #debian-next :)
14:34<somiaj>looks like chromium likes to keep its bookmarks in a database file and yoiu have to export them to html
14:34<somiaj>but yes you should try to fix your xorg (:
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14:35<somiaj>seems chrome upts it in ~/.config/google-chrome/Default, that might stillb e similar
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14:36<somiaj>yea that is where it is ~/.config/chromium/Default/Bookmarks -- the files is in json format but it is text so you can get bookmarks from it
14:40<daly0>Ok, I'll try this, thanks
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15:11<Plasmatic>I'm trying to modify the python Web Snippet widget in KDE to ignore input. Any ideas?
15:12<daly0>ok i`ve found a strange text file with my cached bookmarks, i guess that will have to do. Thanks everyone.
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15:13<jmcnaught>daly0: have you considered trying to fix X on the installed system? The folks in #debian-next could probably help you with that. Might be a lot less work than reinstalling from scratch if that's what you're planning on doing.
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15:15<abrac>Hi everyone
15:15<lord_rob>old habit I lost when I stopped using windows jmcnaught :)
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15:16<abrac>Has someone tried to use optimus without bumblebee?
15:16<abrac>With a recent nvidia driver?
15:16<SeanChiarot>Wondering if someone could help me get my wireless working on a Aspire One netbook, I just installed debian on... I found someone with the EXACT same issue ( ) so I went to ( I type in what it tells me to and it states command not found :(
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15:17<debianer_>I need help for a bash script: It should give me the file name, when i give him the url like:
15:18<jmcnaught>abrac: if you're talking about using nvidia installer from their website that's a bad idea, you should use the Debian packages
15:18<jmcnaught>Plasmatic: maybe a KDE channel might have people more experienced with this sort of thing?
15:18<abrac>well not really the driver from the packages on jessie is recent enough
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15:19<jmcnaught>abrac: Jessie support is in #debian-next :)
15:19<debianer_>I have played a litte bit with awk, but this doesn´t work: awk -F "/" '{print $2}' The string should be cut always on the last "/".
15:19<daly0>jmcnaught: well if i boot into my system via command line i can`t access the internet anymore & i'll be stuck again...
15:20<abrac>oh okay
15:21<abrac>thanks I'm gonna try there then
15:21<jmcnaught>daly0: if you use network manager you can probably use "nmcli" to connect, but the folks in #debian-next might also be able to help you fix it from the live disk session. worth a shot you know, it could be fairly simple relative to a reinstall from scratch
15:22<debianer_>Anonyone who knows, how can work?
15:24<jmcnaught>SeanChiarot: what is the output of "lspci -nn | grep Network" ?
15:24<jmcnaught>SeanChiarot: also you need to be more specific about what command was not found :)
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15:27<SeanChiarot>deb was not found.
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15:28<jmcnaught>SeanChiarot: the output of that command please? "deb" is not a command, most likely it's a repository line that you would enter in /etc/apt/sources.list. But if you give us the output of that command I suggested we can make sure this is the correct driver for your card
15:29<SeanChiarot>gimme a sec, just rebooting laptop :)
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15:33<jmcnaught>debianer_: how about: "debzip_url='' ; echo ${debzip_url##*/}" ?
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15:38<SeanChiarot>jmccrohan I think I figure'd it out... :D, I believe I fat fingured a key... the same damn key multiple times -_- LOL
15:39<jmcnaught>SeanChiarot: I assume you meant me.. I don't know what you're talking about now, but if you got it working then hurray! :)
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15:41<SeanChiarot>lol Woops XD I just hit jm and then tab, LOL
15:42<SeanChiarot>and yeah, the reason it was saying not found was when I edited the repo list I fatfinger'd a semi colon and not a colon =P
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15:46<captainfreeky>I am trying to backup my database which is arround 14 mb but when i back it up it becomes liek 8 mb
15:46<Moopie>hi ! somebody know where is the fglrx-driver in jessie's repo ?
15:46<captainfreeky>restoring it several times i still i have no database
15:47<captainfreeky>i have xvz database which backed up transfered to another machine imported with mysqlimport but yet cant see any difference
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15:48<jmcnaught>Moopie: Jessie support is in #debian-next :)
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15:49<Moopie>oops, sorry :)
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15:50<SeanChiarot>Hmmm, last question for you guys... lol, the laptop I'm setting up is for my mom, she wants a shortcut on her desktop for google chrome... I'm sadly not seeing an easy way to do this :(, lol
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15:53<jmcnaught>SeanChiarot: what desktop environment are you using?
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15:55<debianer_>jmcnaught: thank you. works wonderful :)
15:55<jmcnaught>SeanChiarot: Gnome, KDE, LXDE, xfce?
15:55<SeanChiarot>Oh, Uhhh no idea XD, lol
15:56<SeanChiarot>rather new to Linux, was informed by a co-worker that Debian was super easy =P
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15:57<jmcnaught>SeanChiarot: it is, but some reading of documentation may be required :) After the computer boots up, on the log-in greeter screen it should say somewhere what type of session you're loading. Probably Gnome
15:59<SeanChiarot>gnome :)
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16:00<SeanChiarot>3.4.2 if it matters :P
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16:03<jmcnaught>SeanChiarot: to enable icons on the desktop, install the package "gnome-tweak-tool". After it's installed (it might be called Advanced Settings in the menu) look in the Desktop section, enable "Have file manager handle the desktop". Then open "Files" (aka Nautilus") and go to /usr/share/applications. Look for the Chrome icon, right click on it and choose "copy to desktop"
16:04<SeanChiarot>Ahhhh, Nautilus now thats something I'm firmilar with from Ubuntu :) lol
16:04<captainfreeky>done anyway
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16:10<SeanChiarot>Got it, thanks a tonn jmcnaught :)
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16:17<eefi>Does anyone have experience recovering from a bad hdparm --security-set-pass? My BIOS isn't recognizing the password I set.
16:17<eefi>I don't mind losing the data on the disk; I just need to be able to drop the password.
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16:17<eefi>The BIOS won't let me boot even to USB without providing a password for the hard disk with the password.
16:18<babilen>eefi: "Use the special password NULL to set an empty password." -- also note the (DANGEROUS) in there
16:19<babilen>You would obviously have to do that from a different box if you can't even boot a live CD anymore
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16:19<eefi>Yeah, I know I really screwed myself here. The challenge is that I can't boot with the hard drive plugged in because it demands the HD password.
16:19<eefi>I can boot with the hard drive unplugged, but then when I plug it in after boot, I can't see it.
16:20<eefi>Any tips for how to make it visible after I plug it in after boot?
16:20<babilen>You can't see it when you plug it in after you booted? (i.e. you cannot run hdparm again)
16:21<eefi>Well, a node does not show up in /dev/ after booting.
16:21<babilen>Nothing in dmesg / udevadm monitor
16:21<eefi>This is an mSATA-like interface (I think) inside my ThinkPad X1 Carbon, 1st gen.
16:21<eefi>Ah, let me look.
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16:23<babilen>Sorry, i've never tried to do anything that damaging. It might very well be that you'll have to sent it for repairs, but it is typically hard to completely brick hardware. (note that programs with DANGEROUS in their manpage are prime suspects for succeeding in that)
16:23<eefi>Yeah, I know. I'm really hoping I can figure out how to hotplug this dumb SSD, because I think I'll be in much better shape if I can make that happen.
16:24<eefi>Currently downloading SysRescCD to see if that's better than the Wheezy installer kernel that I was trying to use.
16:24<ompaul>eefi: the bios depends on the hardware in question
16:24<ompaul>eefi: what hardware is it?
16:25<ompaul>sorry didn't see the full statment - hdparm and --security-set-pass
16:25<babilen>It's a Thinkpad X1
16:25<ompaul>igore that question
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16:26<ompaul>hang on - it's a bios password
16:26<ompaul>eefi: ^^ it is a thinkpad bad password ignoring the disk that you can't get past?
16:26<ompaul>or a password you put on the disk
16:26<ompaul>or both
16:26<babilen>eefi: I would also recommend to download the hardware maintenance manual for that box, the once I've seen for thinkpads are very complete and if a procedure exist to reset it then I would expect to find it in there.
16:26<ompaul>or some combination not mentioned?
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16:27<ompaul>babilen: the procedure for the thinkpad is return to vendor
16:27<babilen>ompaul: It completely locks the disk. As in: Enables disk internal encryption/lock-down.
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16:27<eefi>ompaul: Yes, I want to try to boot to a USB with the hard drive plugged in, but as long as the hard drive is plugged in, the BIOS will refuse to boot to anything unless I supply the hard drive password.
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16:28<babilen>ompaul: Well, *they* also have to do something. Procedures like those are typically found in the hardware maintenance manuals .. Not saying that it is definitely in there, but it is worth a look.
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16:28<ompaul>there is that
16:28<eefi>I was doing a SATA secure erase, and it's possible that the first step (setting the password) took, but the second step (actually doing the erase) did not.
16:28<ompaul>but I know of someone who lost the bios password return to vendor
16:28<babilen>eefi: There is also ##ibmthinkpad on freenode that might have some ideas (this is hardly a Debian related problem)
16:28<eefi>But I would expect to still be able to access the disk with the password I set, but the BIOS is not happy with that password.
16:29<babilen>But back to: What do you get in dmesg/udevadm monitor?
16:29<eefi>Yeah, I may try over there. I knew I'd find some helpful people in here, though. :-)
16:29<ompaul>eefi: in that case you might consider a cheap and useful usb caddy, a usbstick with linux on it, and the following process, cat /dev/zero > disk
16:29<ompaul>if there is valuable data as far as I know you will need to talk to lenovo
16:30<ompaul>that has been the process for a few people over the last $years I know of
16:30<babilen>ompaul: That won't work if the *hardware controller itself* prevents you from accessing *anything* on the data.
16:30<ompaul>so therefore usbcaddy
16:30<ompaul>it is not in that position any more
16:31<ompaul>it will not identify at boot because you plug it in afterward with a live cd
16:31<eefi>babilen: I didn't see anything in dmesg. However, I want to try with a more full-featured live CD.
16:31<ompaul>and maybe just maybe you get to fire some tools at it
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16:32<ompaul>if you have broken the password - because something in the disk is now not sane and things can't be read ... you are going to have to have fun ... you could try plugging it into some pal's dell and see if you can get into it with a live cd
16:32<eefi>ompaul: No valuable data. I just need to completely erase the drive.
16:32<ompaul>but you were doing data destruction
16:32<ompaul>so if it works in a dell cat /dev/zero > /dev/sdwhatever
16:33<ompaul>then you might just might get something useful back
16:33<ompaul>ssd how to kill it ;-)
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16:35<babilen>That still assumes that the firmware lets you write data to the drive. We are talking about hardware level lock-out not some software layer that can be nuked by overwriting it.
16:35<ompaul>babilen: by sticking it in a caddy you might get around it
16:36<ompaul>but basically if you locked yourself out and lenovo can't get you back in
16:36<ompaul>maybe the data destruction is as good as done
16:36<ompaul>get a hammer and centre punch for extra vicious hardware messing
16:36<ompaul>of course one could replace the firmware if one felt like it
16:37<babilen>Anwyay, lets move on. This is getting way too off-topic
16:37<zack6849>hey guys, i'm running into some strange issues with x recently after updating my kernel, it's doing some strange stuff where when i log in, it falls back to a headless tty for a moment, then loads up x again and prompts me for my login, then it works, but my second monitor isnt recognized
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16:37<zack6849>i can paste the contents of my xsession errors file if it would be of any help
16:37<eefi>ompaul, babilen: Thanks for your ideas. :-)
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16:38<babilen>eefi: Good luck! Let us know (in #debian-offtopic) if you find something.
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16:39<john_>everytime i reinstall, or help others install, i have a hole list of changes that im making to the default wheezy.... for a lot i alreay have scrpits but still..... i would like to create my own iso with my additional changes... however, its not only intended for me but also friends and familie ... i did some reading on line and found multiple tools, like MkliveCD and remastersys... but those seem to grab everything (including my home folder) and
16:39<john_>making a liveCD from it.... i also foud the debain live-build, it looks "above my skill set" and also make live CDs.... i never use live CD and have no intrest in them, i always use the install DVDs and just like to create a costum version that allows me to make fresh install to other computers creating new user accounts and not copying any harware spesicif things like mac adresses, computer name, user acount my quetion is what would be
16:39<john_>considderd the best and what the easyest ways to accomplish this???
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16:41<babilen>john_: Use configuration management systems such as salt (or ansible, puppet, ...) for the procedure and preseed the debian installer
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16:44<john_>thank, did not came across any of those before, will search and try....
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16:53<averytho_>My server got DDoSed a few hours ago where do I check the network logs?
16:53<averytho_>it's running debian 7
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16:55<Brigo>average_guy, logs are in /var/logs
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16:56<ncl>I doubt there's a "network log" but the kernel tends to log "weird" traffic to dmesg
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17:00<fektom>hi all
17:00<mentor>averytho_: Have you got any log rules in your firewall?
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17:27<david>Recently i installed debian in my laptop but when i search the partitions i found a problem.
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17:32<jmcnaught>david: hello. If you provide more details someone will probably be able to help. In particular tell us which release of Debian, how you found the problem etc. You can also put commands and output on to show us the exact errors you're getting. Welcome to Debian :)
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17:42<david>Ok, keep me a moment.
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17:51<maldridge>I'm trying to get a grub install working in debian wheezy on an adaptec raid controller, is this the right channel for such a question?
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17:54<jmcnaught>maldridge: yes. give as many details as you can and if someone can help they will :)
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17:55<maldridge>basically I have my rootfs on /dev/i2o/hda and the autoinstaller won't install to it, so I chroot into /target on tty2 and install grub-legacy. When I run grub-install /dev/i2o/hda I get an error that /boot/grub/stage1 couldn't be read correctly and the installer exits.
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18:02<peterS>maldridge: hmmph. first of all, does /boot/grub/stage1 exist at this point?
18:03<peterS>maldridge: second, does your chosen device show up in /boot/grub/
18:03<maldridge>1: no, 2: yes
18:03<peterS>well, if the file doesn't exist ... that would explain the error message
18:03<peterS>I don't use grub-legacy anymore so I can't immediately look into why the file wouldn't exist
18:04<maldridge>I am trying grub-pc at the moment, it seems to be working
18:04<maldridge>I am not sure of the differences though
18:04<peterS>is there a reason you went with grub-legacy in the first place? like, is there a reason to believe newer grub won't work with your hardware?
18:05<maldridge>when I consulted google I found others with similar hardware having success with grub-legacy
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18:05<peterS>anyway yeah, the normal grub-pc is the first thing to try
18:05<maldridge>ok, it seems to have completed successfully and is rebooting now
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18:06<maldridge>interestingly though, it couldn't find how big or how much space was in use on the drive
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18:06<peterS>grub couldn't? or something else couldn't? I didn't think grub really needed to know that sort of information anyway
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18:07<maldridge>the grub-pc installer couldn't, it just gave me ??? of ??? as the listed parameters for the drive
18:07<peterS>ah, fun
18:07<maldridge>it worked though and that unit correctly rebooted
18:07<peterS>good, good
18:08<maldridge>now on to the next 29
18:08<maldridge>thanks for the help!
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18:35<john>babilen; i found lots of info about Puppet, Chef, Salt, Ansible .... how the compair and their diffrent technieks on how to manage high volume clients from on host, but couldn't find anything on creating a customize debian iso with any of those... could you point me in the right direction? and what did you mean with "the procedure"?
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18:38<jmcnaught>john: tools like Puppet and Ansible are for managing the configuration of systems that are already installed. For preseeding you could look here:
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18:48<john>jmcnaught; thank for that link, will read it... my original question was how to go about creating a costum debian installation dvd (not liveCD) with all my changes that i normaly make (these include manual installing of some gnome theme packeges and including files, running some scripts, etc... im trying to figure out how to acomplishe that... could i do al that with preseed? im not sure how the reccomanded salt plays a part in this...
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18:49<jmcnaught>john: a configuration management tool like salt, ansible etc could be used for configuring the system after installation. Maybe you're looking for (note the easier alternative in the ToC too)
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19:10<john>jmcnaught; i have read the info on preseed, it seems to be all about automating the debian installer questions... and had already read the debianCustomCD, but it seem to focus on how to costumize the packege content in /pool ... but what im looking for is, how to get my my gnome theme window border installed correctly, and install fsprotect and then add a kernel parameter to grub, etc and have them all in my custom DVD.... oke, so those post install
19:10<john> tool might be good backup if i can't figure it out ... however getting everything installed automaticly would be preverd...
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19:15<jmcnaught>john: <--- did you see this in "an easier alternative" ?
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19:19<jmcnaught>john: also see the "d-i preseed/late_command" in the example
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19:32<john>jmcnaught; well it mentiont something about being more limited .. so i didn't really look at (mostly because when i open the links i was getting access denied, wich happens from time to time on debian website when using tor).. but its working now...i will read it.... thanks...
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19:37<PedroLucas>hey, guys
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19:37<PedroLucas>i am having some troubles with xorg and ffglrx
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19:38<jmcnaught>PedroLucas: are you using Jessie?
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19:39<jmcnaught>PedroLucas: okay. What's the trouble?
19:40<PedroLucas>I set it to my second monitor to display at 1366x768 and it keeps outputing 1280x768
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19:40<PedroLucas>I first tried to set it by amdcccle, and the creating a xorg.conf by aticonfig. i wrote my own xorg.conf. dunno what to do
19:41<PedroLucas>its a syncmaster b1930. it is 1366x768 '-'
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19:42<jmcnaught>PedroLucas: i'm not that familiar with fglrx myself. I recommend you put your xorg.conf file on along with the output of "xrandr" and any other relevant files you have tried changing and if someone can help they will :)
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19:46<PedroLucas>well, i did not have xrandr here
19:46<PedroLucas>gnome 3 installed after fglrx. fresh install
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19:47<PedroLucas>i set the stuff by amdcccle
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19:48<jmcnaught>PedroLucas: did you try simply using the "Displays" panel in Gnome's System Settings? Also I realize it's not busy right now, but I recommend getting in the habit of finishing a thought before pressing <enter>. If you split what you're saying into multiple message it can be difficult to follow you :)
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19:51<PedroLucas>Oh, ok then. I dont have the "Displays" panel available here. xrandr is the name of the package?
19:52<jmcnaught>PedroLucas: there's nothing like "displays" (not sure what language your computer is using) if you go to the menu in top-right and click System Settings?
19:53<PedroLucas>nope. portuguese-brazil is the language, it should appeared like "Monitores" like in squeeze. Xrandr output is "RandR extension missing"
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19:56<jmcnaught>PedroLucas: maybe someone with a better grasp on xrandr will help you if you stick around for a bit. On my computer (Intel graphics) multiple displays "just works", but I also have "Displays" under System Settings to customize it if I want to.
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19:58<PedroLucas>jmcnaught: well, ok then. xinerama is pretty much working now except for that 86 pixels of width that is killing me
20:00<jmcnaught>PedroLucas: 86 pixels is a non-lethal dose. But like I said, if you stick around and/or come back later, someone might be able to help.
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21:18<Kyron>Hey, am I allowed to ask for help with Port Routing on this channel?..
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21:20<Kyron>Policy Based Routing*
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21:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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21:24<wolf>when jessie wait nvidia-settings?
21:25<Kyron>Alright, so, I'm trying to set up some routing for multiple OpenVPN clients/TUN adapters. I would like to be able to route my traffic from a local port, to a each adapter. For example, any traffic sent through would go through tun0, any traffic sent through would go through tun1 etc.
21:26<Kyron>Also, OpenVPN seems to set itself as my default gateway, which I do not want.
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21:28-!-wolf [~wolf@] has left #debian [Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше)]
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21:30<Kyron>(also, the reason I asked if I could ask about it was because I wasn't sure if this channel was Debian development/news or something.)
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21:32<jmcnaught>Kyron: this is the Debian Stable support channel, and if someone knows how to help you they will. It's pretty quiet today though. I think there's a ##networking channel on Freenode that might people who could answer, but it is the weekend :)
21:33<Kyron>I see, thank you. Actually, I'm already connected to the ##networking channel on Freenode. Ha, ha.
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21:48<nick>I'm a newbie.
21:51<Nemoder>do you need help?
21:51<nick>Nemoder,are you speaking to me ?
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21:52<nick>I can' t see why almost of other people's comments appear on my XChat.
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21:54<Nemoder>!irc tutorial
21:54<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
21:54<nick>!irc tutorial
21:55<dpkg>"A Short IRC Primer": . See also "The IRC Prelude":
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21:57<nick>Thank you,Nemoder and dpkg. I'll consult that site.
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23:28<yoshi>need help i got the recent updates and now my desktop wont load
23:28<yoshi>uit is stuck on the splash screen
23:28<yoshi>with the HDD icon showing but not progressing further
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23:32<jmcnaught>yoshi: are you able to select a recovery option from the boot menu?
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23:32<yoshi>havent tried that
23:33<yoshi>you mean from rebooting entirely?
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23:33<jmcnaught>now i'm confused
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23:37<yoshi>jmcnaught: yes i can but i had to reboot because a) that doesnt get me X and b) i cant come to this room cause that signs in as root
23:37<yoshi>and i need more help then recovery mode to try and fix this
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23:39<yoshi>jmcnaught: any ideas as to how to even diagnose this problem?
23:39<jmcnaught>yoshi: maybe I misunderstood you, I thought the boot process wasn't completing. Are you in X right now?
23:40<yoshi>jmcnaught: no f7 is stuck on the kde loading splash screen
23:40<yoshi>jmcnaught: everything else is booted
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23:41<yoshi>jmcnaught: i am using irssi
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23:42<jmcnaught>yoshi: oh. do you recall what got upgraded? Are you in Wheezy?
23:42<yoshi>my update list draws directly drom testing and among other things that got updated was the nvidia drivers
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23:44<sleser>i think at the end of tha nvidia instalation . near the end you have to create something befor you reboot. i already forgot what its called
23:44<sleser>did you do that ?
23:44<yoshi>no i didnt know i had to
23:45<jmcnaught>yoshi: Jessie is supported in #debian-next
23:45<sleser>yes the instructions in the install screen says it
23:45<sleser>try to reinstall it . if your in the kde and if you can read it all while at it
23:45<jmcnaught>sleser: are you talking about the installer from nvidia's website, or the debian packages?
23:45<sleser>i got mine from nonfree
23:46<sleser>from pakage rite ?
23:46<jmcnaught>sleser: okay just checking :)
23:46<yoshi>sleser: do you remem,ber the command you had to run?
23:46<sleser>helper helped from here
23:46<sleser>jm can guide you if he wants to continue
23:46<sleser>its just that i remember i also use nvidia it was one of the hardest for me to install sins im new to linux
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23:47<jmcnaught>yoshi: I'll try to help you some more in #debian-next, but this channel is for Debian Stable
23:49<yoshi>jmcnaught: i am there now
23:49<yoshi>sleser: do you remember what you asked debhelper?
23:49<sleser>i asked if i had the rite virsion of driver debian instaled on new install on my new video card of i had to install it
23:50<sleser>they asked me few comands to . chek in terminal for the specs model what ever... driver card itll s how and they talled me if the driver i using is rite for it
23:50<sleser>and from there
23:50<sleser>they helped me guided me with the rite install
23:51<sleser>things were runing slow with the wrong driver. i noticed rite a way . of performence . and is what made me ask this . to begin with
23:53<sleser>yoshi the old video card i used. parts melted out of the board. and was laying at the bace of the . box . not sure if any1 ever saw something like that before.
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