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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-07-31

---Logopened Thu Jul 31 00:00:52 2014
00:01<zorrot>dvs -- this is much less stupid, and working perfectly. thank you!
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00:05<dvs>no prob
00:05<zorrot>dvs -- except, the installer keeps locking up. c'est la vie.
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00:10<jmcnaught>zorrot: what part of the installer are you at when it locks up? can you get to tty4 (with Alt-F4) to see if there are any error messages?
00:10<zorrot>it gets to grub, the screen starts to flood, wants to do a mode change and the freezes.
00:11<zorrot>same deb (this is netinst image on a thumbdrive) under unetbootin worked, except it kept writing grub conf to the thumbdrive, leaving an unbootable system.
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00:14<jmcnaught>zorrot: when you did the "cp" command from the Install Guide, what was the target device you used. It should be the drive itself not a partition (so no number on the end)
00:15<zorrot>that may well be it
00:16<jmcnaught>zorrot: also i've had problems with booting the installer that turned out to be a flakey USB stick. But if the stick had previously been prepared with unetbootin and then you used the "cp" command targetting a partition instead of the drive it might do something like that
00:18<zorrot>"cannot create regular file, no medium found"
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00:18<jmcnaught>zorrot: what's the context, what are you doing when it says that?
00:19<zorrot>cp debian[etc] /dev/sdb
00:19<zorrot>cp debian[etc] /dev/sdb1 had created a mountable, bootable thumbdrive.
00:19<zorrot>in recovery mode, it was able to mount laptop drives, etc.
00:19<zorrot>just froze when booting for installation.
00:20<zorrot>brand new sticks, as in, today -- no guarantee of good media, of course, but i bought them (3 pack) with the primary intention of making a "deb stick"
00:21<zorrot>2 hours later, i have a bricked laptop. :-)
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00:22<jmcnaught>zorrot: bricked?!? I don't know what's going on with your stick, but the reason the instructions in the install guide say to target the USB device and not a partition on it is because the hybrid iso image you're copying contains two partitions (the second one is for copying firmwares if you need to)
00:23<zorrot>the /dev/sdb device certainly seems to be there
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01:32<zorrot>jmcnaught: it finally let me write to the device, but now when i attempt to boot it, it says "no boot record."
01:33<zorrot>that was copying the install dvd to /dev/sdb
01:33<zorrot>the files, however are certainly on the device.
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01:36<gh0st_>how can I disable wireless networking by default, so that when the system reboots, there is absolutely no wireless loaded?
01:37<gh0st_>that way to enable wireless, I can just enable manually
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01:44<jm_>zorrot: how did you copy it to sdb?
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02:52<helmut_>hi
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03:06<mpourhadi>how can i install prozilla ?
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03:08<mpourhadi>well i found a source here http://archive.debian.net/woody/prozilla but becuz is old apt-get ignore it what sould i do?
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03:10<zorrot>mpourhadi: look for an updated copy in another repository, or compile from source?
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03:13<mpourhadi>zorrot, i compile it from the source once but it just didnt download anything
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03:15<zorrot>mpourhadi: you would have had to download the source in order to compile it :-)
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03:16<zorrot>mpourhadi: it seems that there's a github host for it: https://github.com/totosugito/prozilla-2.0.4
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03:55<mpourhadi>zorrot, i have installed the build-essential just want to make sure will there gonna be a problem if i dont have these stuff ?http://paste.debian.net/112866/
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04:02<Maniusia>cześć
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04:02<Maniusia>Poland?
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04:03<Maniusia><.>
04:03<Maniusia>-.-
04:03<jmcnaught>!pl
04:03<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
04:03<Maniusia>PL?
04:04<Maniusia>spk?
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04:42<skylineblc>hello all
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04:45<edwardliu>helleo
04:46<edwardliu>is there some/
04:46<edwardliu>?
04:46<look300>no all 646 people here are waiting for EU licence to discuss debian before we can speak legally
04:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 661] by debhelper
04:47<look300>I applied for mine 6 months ago so should arrive any day now. edwardliu but if ou fell lucky take the chances and just ask your question
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04:48<edwardliu>i can't install the game
04:48<babilen>"the game" ?
04:48<babilen>dpkg: smart questions
04:48<dpkg>Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>.
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04:48<edwardliu>MountBladeWarband.tar
04:49<look300>edwardliu: in 2014 there exists more then 1 game you need to narrow it down for us
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04:49<babilen>Okay, what does that have to do with Debian? What have you tried, what did you expect to happen and what did happen?
04:50<gh0st>how can I disable wireless by default, so that when I reboot it will be completely off and have to enable manually?
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04:50<babilen>gh0st: How do you configure your wifi?
04:50<edwardliu>my system is xubuntu
04:51<gh0st>using network manager
04:51<gh0st>why..
04:51<look300>edwardliu: ubuntu help is in channel #ubuntu , I think mostly on other irc server irc.freenode.org
04:51<babilen>edwardliu: This is #debian not #ubuntu or #xubuntu (which are both on irc.freenode.net)
04:51<look300>edwardliu: they also have a good web forums
04:51<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc edwardliu
04:51<dpkg>edwardliu: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
04:51<gh0st>EDWARD
04:51<gh0st>lol
04:51<edwardliu>yes
04:51<gh0st>Gtfo
04:51<babilen>gh0st: Please don't
04:52<gh0st>ok
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04:52<babilen>gh0st: Seriously, that was completely inappropriate. Treat everyone in here with decency and respect and feel free to remain silent if an issue has been dealt with already.
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04:53<edwardliu>after extra i don't know what to do next
04:53<zorrot>can anyone think of a situation on a core 2 duo (2007-ish) laptop that would cause grub installation to fail, but allow lilo to succeed?
04:53<babilen>gh0st: You can disable the NetworkManager service (cf. <disable service> -- /msg dpkg disable service) or convince NM to not activate that interface when it comes up. Not sure how to do the latter.
04:53<zorrot>during a fresh install of current deb?
04:54<edwardliu>not deb
04:54<zorrot>debian
04:54<jm_>zorrot: tried installing it manually?
04:54<zorrot>define manually
04:54<jm_>by not relying on d-i to do it for you
04:55<zorrot>d-i ?
04:55<babilen>zorrot: What do you install from?
04:55<zorrot>mini.iso
04:55<babilen>d-i == debian-installer
04:55<zorrot>it was the only thing i could get to work.
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04:55<babilen>Why do you use the mini.iso and not a normal image? Are you trying to install from usb?
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04:55<zorrot>i did install from usb
04:56<zorrot>optical drive burns and reads cds and dvds just fine, until it comes time to install software.
04:56<zorrot>so, i tried unetbootin -- bad move.
04:56<babilen>Okay, you should use the normal images and not necessarily mini.iso for that. What did you do with them that they "didn't work" -- What happened when you tried it?
04:56<babilen>Yeah, unetbootin breaks our installers and is just crapola
04:56<babilen>dpkg: tell zorrot -about usb install
04:56<zorrot>7.6 ia64 would get to the point of changing screenmodes and then freeze.
04:56<babilen>dpkg: tell zorrot -about win32diskimager
04:57<zorrot>no win32 here.
04:57<zorrot>i've already successfully installed
04:57<babilen>zorrot: It is very unlikely that you have an ia64 system and you probably want amd64 images ("normal" 64bit processors)
04:57<zorrot>the problem was that grub woudl fail installation -- i couldn't figure out how to get at the logs from the installer to see why.
04:58<zorrot>so i just tried lilo, and it installed. machine is booting
04:58<zorrot>my question was: why would this be the case? does anyone have a hypothesis?
04:58<Brigo>zorrot, a photogaph may be?
04:58<zorrot>it's a vostro 1500
04:58<zorrot>it's run 64 bit arch and debian
04:58<zorrot>this is not my first rodeo.
04:58<babilen>Probably because you used mini.iso and it grub couldn't figure out where/how to install itself. Frankly: I haven't touched mini.iso in ages and would have to dig into documentation to be able to debug this.
04:58<zorrot>this particular install has been outrageously troublesome and i'm trying to figure out why.
04:59<babilen>Well, you *cannot* run ia64 on that but you need amd64 to begin with
04:59<zorrot>grub was targeted at the same place as the paritioning tool, which correctly partitioned the drive...
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04:59<jm_>you don't want grub installed on sdXY, you want it on MBR
04:59<babilen>dpkg: fixmbr
04:59<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
05:00<babilen>zorrot: I simply believe that you ran into a variation of the problem people encounter when they use unetbootin when you tried mini.iso
05:00<babilen>dpkg: ia64
05:00<dpkg>Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers. http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ . Debian 8 ("Jessie") drops official support for Intel Itanium Architecture. It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. See also <qotd279>.
05:00<babilen>dpkg: why amd64
05:00<dpkg>The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/x86-64
05:00<zorrot>babilen - i think you are correct, misread ia64 for amd64.
05:01<zumbi_>dpkg: gpt
05:01<dpkg>GPT (GUID Partition Table) is a disk partition format frequently used by firmware compliant with the Extensible Firmware Interface (<EFI>). util-linux's <fdisk> does not support GPT, ask me about <parted>. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-gpt/
05:01<babilen>zumbi_: How is that related?
05:02<zorrot>can one install grub in-place over lilo ?
05:02<zumbi_>babilen: no, it isnt.. I was wondering if there was gpt entry (after reading your fixmbr one)
05:02<jm_>yes, just install grub and it will overwrite it
05:02<babilen>zumbi_: "/msg dpkg FOO" should be used in cases like that :)
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05:02<zumbi_>babilen: yeah.. I know.. apologies
05:02<babilen>dpkg: tell zumbi_ -about dpkgbot
05:03<zorrot>that's just? just apt-get install grub2 and she's happy?
05:03<babilen>No problem - could have been that you had something specific in mind :)
05:03<jm_>it's grub-pc
05:03<babilen>zorrot: You want grub-pb -- grub2 is merely a transitional package
05:03<babilen>*grub-pc
05:03<toco>what are u mean?
05:04<babilen>toco: Do you have a Debian related question?
05:04<zorrot>hrm. still comes up lilo.
05:05<toco>no for this moment, thanks babilen.
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05:05<babilen>zorrot: Did you run "update-grub2" followed by "grub-install /dev/sdX" (with /dev/sdX being something like /dev/sda and the disk you boot from)
05:06<babilen>?
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05:06<zorrot>is bablien a reference to the pelevin book ?
05:07<babilen>It is
05:07<zorrot>awesome :-)
05:07<babilen>And I liked "babilen" more than "vavilen" :) -- Anyway → "/join #debian-offtopic" for that
05:08<zorrot>it was my sole ot question, noted though. :-)
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05:13<zorrot>HA. dragon slain. machine booting with grub. danke babilen, jm_
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05:13<babilen>dpkg: next
05:13<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
05:14<zorrot>leaving?
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05:15<zorrot>now that everything appears to be working smoothly, i'm most paranoid. not rushing out just yet :-)
05:15<babilen>heh
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05:22<angelo>et
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05:23<mpourhadi>can anybody help me out with prozilla compiling i got this error at make stage http://paste.debian.net/112878/
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05:25<planetmaker>line 34 has a hint, mpourhadi
05:27<mpourhadi>how can i define it?
05:29<planetmaker>well, you want to compile it. Check the source. Also: do you have all required dependencies installed?
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05:38<BluesKaj>'Morning folks
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05:44<cinghialetto>Hello, I installled pulseaudio, it had dependeencies issues, aptitude said it could solve things and I stupidly said ok. Now even reinstalling I can't get it to show again the dependency problem again and, obviously, pulse doesn't work. Anything I can do?
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05:47<jm_>!bat
05:47<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
05:48<zorrot>goodnight everyone. thanks again!
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05:48<cinghialetto>jm_ I can't access that log, I did that yesterday before I went to sleep and thought I'd fix it today after a good sleep. So it's not on my shell anymore.
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05:49<jm_>cinghialetto: which log are you talking about?
05:50<cinghialetto>jm_ the aptitude one from when I installed pulse, wasn't the dpkg message you called with bat for me?
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05:51<jm_>cinghialetto: no, the idea was to run it again and paste the output (this is assuming it's still happening - that's how I understood your post)
05:51<jm_>and yes, the message was for you
05:51<cinghialetto>Yes the problem is it doesn't show the message again, it doesn't give the same output anymore.
05:51<jm_>but is the package now installed or not?
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05:52<cinghialetto>jm_ pulseaudio was installed, but wouldn't start at all. I tried to remove and reinstall to see the aptitude output about the dependencies conflict but it wouldn't give it again.
05:53<jm_>cinghialetto: so there's no point in chasing that down then
05:53<jm_>you can see which versions got replaced etc. in aptitude/dpkg logs
05:53<jm_>if they got replaced at all
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05:55<cinghialetto>jm_ Is there anything I could try to make pulse work?
05:56<jm_>cinghialetto: try starting it and see what happens?
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05:59<cinghialetto>Well yeah I tried that, it said daemon failed starting, poorly translated from my language, I should set debian to english.
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06:00<jm_>you could try starting it manually directly to see what you get that way
06:00<cinghialetto>Yes, I tried starting it manyally via pulseaudio --start, that's the output I get.
06:01<jm_>anything in logs?
06:01<cinghialetto>The pulseaudio logs? I don't know how to find those, hang on I'll google it.
06:02<jm_>also note that by default it will only run as part of user session, see PULSEAUDIO_SYSTEM_START in /etc/default/pulseaudio
06:02<jm_>it logs using syslog so check files in /var/log
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06:02<jm_>so by default it should start with out X session
06:03<cinghialetto>Ah, /var/log has nothing about pulseaudio in it.
06:03<cinghialetto>ls /etc/default/pulseaudio
06:03<cinghialetto>vim /etc/default/pulseaudio
06:03<cinghialetto>ops
06:04<cinghialetto>I didn't realize I was typing here sorry
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06:05<jm_>how did you check in /var/log?
06:06<cinghialetto>Via ls to see if there was files with the word pulseaudio in it, I assumed those would be pulseaudio logs.
06:06<cinghialetto>Also pulseaudio_system_start=0 I assume means is not set to start at boot, I'll set it to 1.
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06:07<jm_>naah, cd /var/log && grep -i pulse *
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06:07<jm_>it really should be started as part of your session as that file states
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06:10<cinghialetto>Running that grep command now, waiting for output, while waiting I'll take the chance to thank you for your time.
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06:10<jm_>make sure your command line includes "*" and no problem
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06:11<maxiBest0f>quit
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06:12<cinghialetto>I missed the *. I'll copypaste it.
06:13<cinghialetto>Oh, there is a problem, the output is mostly not in english.
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06:13<cinghialetto>Well partially not in english
06:15<cinghialetto>paste.debian.net/112884
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06:16<jm_>you're using testing, right?
06:17<cinghialetto>Yes, sorry for not mentioning that.
06:17<jm_>testing support is handled in #debian-next
06:17<cinghialetto>Oh! Sorry! I went to the irc page on the website and it said #debian was for any question debian related
06:18<cinghialetto>I didn't think it would be different
06:19<cinghialetto>I'm going that way then, sorry for wasting your time :)
06:19<jm_>I don't see anything other than package installation related entries there
06:20<cinghialetto>Uhm... So there shouldn't be errors you mean?
06:21<jm_>well it's best if you continue in #debian-next, but if I were you, I would set that variable back to 0 and check what happens when you start X (it might also depend on how you start X)
06:22<cinghialetto>I'll restart x and head to #debian-next then
06:22<cinghialetto>thank youjm_
06:22<jm_>cinghialetto: no problem
06:22<cinghialetto>See you around when jessie become stable :)
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07:14<erik_>.topic
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07:18<erik_>Is this an appropriate place for Debian tech support questions?
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07:19<babilen>It is
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07:19<erik_>OK. :) I tried to install KDE alongside my existing Gnome install in Wheezy on my netbook, but KDE isn't listed in KDM
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07:20<erik_>I tried to follow the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/KDE
07:20<erik_>I am writing this from my desktop, but the netbook is in front of me
07:20<babilen>KDM is still being maintained?
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07:20<erik_>I don't know, but KDM did install for me
07:20<erik_>It doesn't list KDE though
07:21<erik_>I initially installed kde-standard, which didn't install KDM
07:21<erik_>GDM also didn't list KDE
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07:23<mpourhadi>hey guys i installed viber but it does not run
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07:29<TobiX>erik_: Is kde-workspace-data installed?
07:30<BluesKaj>erik_, lightdm is the default with gnome and look for kde-workspace
07:30<TobiX>erik_: (That's the package that contains /usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop)
07:30<TobiX>babilen: KDM is still the default in wheezy, right? It has only be deprecated recently IIRC
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07:32<BluesKaj>unless de
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07:33<BluesKaj>debian wheezy still uses gdm...guess i should check that
07:34<erik_>sorry so slow... had jumped from irssi to web browser
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07:35<erik_>If you say lightdm is the default, then I guess it's the default :) So yeah, I initially had lightdm remain then, but then KDM replaced it
07:35<erik_>looking for workspace pkg now
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07:37<BluesKaj>erik_, it's somewhat confusing. my asumption about lightdm could be wrong, seems gdm3 is listed in the forums as the DM for wheezy-gnome
07:37<erik_>sudo apt-get install kde-workspace-data gives "kde-workspace-data is already the newest version"
07:38<erik_>/usr/share/xsessions/kde-plasma.desktop exists and looks from a naive standpoint valid
07:38<babilen>TobiX: True
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07:41<erik_>cd /usr/bin \ ls star* \ startfluxbox start-pulseaudio-kde start-pulseaudio-xll startx startxfce4
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07:41<erik_>no startkde... I don't get it
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07:44<jm_>!find bin/startkde
07:44<BluesKaj>erik_, install kde-workspce-bin
07:44<BluesKaj>err kde-workspace-bin
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07:46<dpkg>Debian Search of 'bin/startkde' (1): (/usr/bin/startkde) in kde/kde-workspace-bin.
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07:48<jm_>so yeah do you have that installed?
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07:49<erik_>asking it to install that made it list a decidedly nonzero number of new packages
07:49<erik_>to be installed
07:50<jm_>yet you still have no /usr/bin/startkde?
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07:50<erik_>don't know, not done with the new install run yet
07:50<erik_>it's on wifi :)
07:50<jm_>ahh I misread it, so it's installing new stuff
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07:51<erik_>all my previous attempts have included a failed-to-fetch complaint, but it's always been something about mysql, which i didn't ask for and don't care about
07:51<erik_>still, it's disconcerting
07:51<jm_>!bat
07:51<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
07:52<erik_>Well I'll be darned with a needle
07:52<erik_>KDE is now listed in KDM
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07:53<erik_>why on earth would kde-plasma-workspace not have installed automatically when installing kde-full, at the very least?
07:54<jm_>there's no such package
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07:55<erik_>no such package as kde-full?
07:55<jm_>no, kde-plasma-workspace
07:55<erik_>https://wiki.debian.org/KDE mentions it, and trying to install it seemed to do something :)
07:55<erik_>ah
07:55<erik_>gotcha
07:56<erik_>ok, ok, kde-workspace-bin
07:56<erik_>I wonder why kde-workspace-bin didn't get installed earlier
07:56<jm_>so kde-full depends on kde-plasma-desktop which depends on kde-workspace which depends on kde-workspace-bin, are you using wheezy?
07:57<erik_>yes
07:57<jm_>what do you use to install packages?
07:57<erik_>sudo apt-get install mostly
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07:58<jm_>so maybe check if apt lists details of what got installed in /var/log/apt somewhere
07:58<erik_>At one point in my frustration I tried Software Sources in gnome, to no visible effect
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08:01<BluesKaj>it's odd that kde-workspace-bin didn't install tho, maybe aptitude would have included it, who knows
08:02<erik_>yeah, i tend to reflexively use apt-get because i started with ubuntu
08:02<erik_>also, i don't really understand the difference between aptitude and apt-get... i read about it once in a while and then forget it
08:03<planetmaker>two tools, for the same task. You can use whichever you like more
08:03<TobiX>erik_: Did you set APT::Install-Recommends to false by any chance?
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08:04<TobiX>I think there is a recommends somewhere in that dependency chain...
08:04<BluesKaj>erik_, it's a confusing situation , some argue that aptitude works better on debian, and apt-get does on ubuntu flavours
08:05<erik_>I have a /var/log/apt/history.log log in front of me
08:05<erik_>I can pastebin it if it's of interest
08:05<erik_>I've copied just the entry that seems to be from the original kde installation attempt
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08:08<cargill>hi, with systemd, the mount.ext* and fsck.ext* binaries have disappeared from the initrd, is there still a way to mount/fsck volumes from a break=premount environment, when things have gone horribly wrong?
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08:08<erik_>the pastebin is at pastebin.com/E98evz05 FWIW... it's a very sloppy multiple-run paste from less, because I'm dumb
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08:08<danou_>my girlfriend : http://70.81.112.235:81/C%3A/Dan/photos/m/mylene2.jpg
08:08<jm_>cargill: are you using testing?
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08:08<cargill>jm_: yes
08:08<jm_>cargill: then continue in #debian-next
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08:09<cargill>jm_: thanks
08:09<cargill>will do
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08:09<jm_>no problem
08:09<jm_>erik_: it doesn't even mention kde-full
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08:20<BluesKaj>kde-full brings a whole slew of metapackages/apps that some will never use and they really clutter the kicker
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08:48<danou_>my girlfriend : http://70.81.112.235:81/C%3A/Dan/photos/m/mylene3.jpg
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08:50<Maulkin>danou_: Could you use #debian-offtopic for things like that?
08:50<Maulkin>Oh well, never mind
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10:02<Vik1ng>sinon t'a des outils qui vont chercher avec snmp les bandes passantes de chaque port de tes switchs/routeurs... mais ca fait pas des schémas...
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10:06<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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10:17<gfedel>someone have problems with hplip on wheezy? i'm trying to install the last version but i can't
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10:32<uso>dpkg: tell gfedel -about bat
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10:52<bugtraq>hello...someone can help here ?
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10:52<centrx>!ask
10:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:54<bugtraq>i have a problem in gufw "firewall" because he dont show me the reports when i press listening report
10:54<bugtraq>i use bugtraq
10:55<bugtraq>and this problem came after reinstall it because he was work good before that
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11:00<bugtraq>i'm wait
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11:02<uso>bugtraq: bugtraq is an own distribution and not debian, isn't it? (and therefore not supported here)
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11:03<bugtraq>i use ubuntu bugtraq but really i need help ...please
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11:05<Maulkin>bugtraq: If you had a problem with your Ford car, you woudn't go to Renault for help - they would be unable to help you. You need to speak to whoever made your syste,
11:05<arod>I'm going to install debian sid on a brand new desktop (i5, SSD). Shuld I use UEFI or not?
11:05<BluesKaj>bugtraq, then join #ubuntu
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11:06<bugtraq>i will do and thank you the Ford car
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11:11<maxy>arod: I wouldn't
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11:17<debidebz>I recently upgraded wheezy to testing and now my apt sources lines have "testing main" and "testing/updates main" repos. What happens once Jessie becomes stable? Will I have to rename them? What If I forget to rename?
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11:18<mtn>debidebz: you will stay on testing and experience a very bumpy ride ;)
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11:19<debidebz>mtn, can I replace "testing" wit "jessie" today and avoid issues down the road?
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11:19<mtn>debidebz: if you want to stay with jessie, change "testing" to "jessie"
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11:19<debidebz>mtn, can I change that today? or does that only become available once jessie is released?
11:19<debidebz>or should I say stable not released
11:20<mtn>debidebz: sure, you can do it right away and it is a good idea, too
11:20<debidebz>sounds good. thanks
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11:22<BluesKaj>mtn, how is jessie stablilty-wise? Is it a numby ride as you say or is worth testing for the fun of it?
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11:23<BluesKaj>err bumpy ride :)
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11:23<mtn>BluesKaj: not too bad, but some folks lost their graphics for awhile. for testing purposes, it is fine, of course
11:24<BluesKaj>ok mtn any idea which gpus were affected?
11:24<mtn>BluesKaj: if I recall, both nvidia and ati
11:24<mtn>BluesKaj: not with the kernel drivers, though
11:25<BluesKaj>right, thanks ...might give it a shot then ...intel here
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12:19<alunado>gran lio gran tengo hoy!! buen dia
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13:02<aexl>hi. why is there a dfsg in the file names of some pkgs even when in main? like pool/main/s/slv2/libslv2-9_0.6.6+dfsg1-2_amd64.deb
13:04<somiaj>aexl: they are just versions debian appends. I'm unsure what it means there, but maybe it means there was a patch added to make it dfsg complient.
13:05<somiaj>you can look at the source/change log to see what was added/changed with that debian revsion
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13:06<Brigo>aef, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DFSG
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13:18<trico>im getting permission denied trying to copy files from a dvd (not movie) to my computer. is it a bad disc, drive, or some weird copy protection?
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13:20<BluesKaj>is it a data dvd or does it have media of some sort on it ?
13:20<BluesKaj>trico,^
13:20<aexl>actually this is about boinc. changelog.Debian says 6.4.5+dfsg-2 was the first version with comment: "set orig +dfsg since we remove non-dfsg software when we pull the tag from upstream"
13:20<aexl>maybe i should ask #debian-legal
13:21<trico>BluesKaj: just data, its an install disc for a scanner i want to make a backup of
13:21<aexl>Brigo: that link doesn't help a bit ...
13:21<Brigo>aexl, sorry, then :)
13:22<aexl>thanks anyway
13:22<noadobeflash>hi, whenever i insert a music CD (not a burned one but original audio CDs people still buy) i choose open with audacious, i get the error : Invalid URI cdda://sr0/
13:22<BluesKaj>trico, try a different disk to make sure the cdrom isn't faulty
13:24<aexl>noadobeflash: what is ls /dev/sr0 saying?
13:25<noadobeflash>brw-rw---T+ 1 root cdrom 11, 0 jul 31 12:21 /dev/sr0
13:25<trico>BluesKaj: the last disk i tried copied fine. another data disc with some printer documentation
13:26<aexl>noadobeflash: the line should be cdda:///dev/sr0
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13:27<aexl>look in options or try on command line audacious cdda:///dev/sr0
13:27<BluesKaj>trico, maybe this scanner disk contains some copyrighted material so it's write prtected, try installing libdvdcss2 from the videolan/vlc site
13:29<trico>i think i already have it, but i dont have a movie handy to test it. im copying the files as root and it seems to be moving though
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13:31<noadobeflash>aexl, audacious cdda:///dev/sr0 starts up audacious but i gives the error: Invalid URI cdda:///dev/sr0
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13:32<aexl>sorry i don't have audacious but vlc starts the cd that way. best would be to look in audacious' options.
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13:33<noadobeflash>aexl, vlc works ok but i want to se audacious because i can see the CD listing and for audio CDs, audacious is the right app
13:36<aexl>just installed audacious=3.2.4-1 from cd and it works fine. i just hit Services->Play CD. do you have the appropriate plugin activated?
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13:40<BluesKaj>hmm, this upgrade to jessie sure is taking a while, over 2 hrs so far.
13:42<aexl>BluesKaj: upgrade from where?
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13:43<BluesKaj>this is on a pretty std dsl connection, from the u of waterloo debian archive , which is the closest mirror to me, aexl
13:44<noadobeflash>aexl, i also have audacious 3.2.4-1 and i can play audio CDs just fine if I just hit Services->Play CD, the problem is that is done after the aforementioned error is displayed. that is simply annoying
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13:45<aexl>BluesKaj: no i mean from which version?^^
13:45<BluesKaj>aexl, from wheezy
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13:46<aexl>noadobeflash: that's strange. so Preferences->Plugins->Input->Audio CD support is set correctly? if nothing helps re-install.
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13:47<aexl>BluesKaj: okay. so you're still downloading?
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13:49<BluesKaj>aexl, yup, seems so
13:49<aexl>noadobeflash: i mean apt-get purge audacious && apt-get install audacious
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13:55<uso>aexl: the comment in the changelog did say it, dfsg is appended to the version when the upstream software contains parts which debian considers non-free and these parts will be excluded from the debian package
13:56<aexl>uso: thanks! i did not get the comment.^^ now i do.
13:56<aexl>it's freed.^^
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13:57<uso>aexl: yes, that's the short form :)
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13:57<aexl_befreit>oh is the debian kernel freed?
13:59<uso>aexl_befreit: when you mean that it does not include non-free firmware, then yes
14:02<uso>but for detailed information about legal stuff you indeed better ask in #debian-legal
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14:03<aexl_befreit>^^ no that's enough.
14:03<aexl_befreit>thx
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14:05<uso>aexl_befreit: I think when you use debian and don't add "non-free" to your sources list you are quite safe to only use free software
14:06<aexl_befreit>uso: since there a different definitions of "free software" you can't be too sure.^^
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14:11<aexl_befreit>i only recently deleted contrib from sources.list. synaptic says origins are only main. how can i be sure? something like dpkg -l ...?
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14:14<babilen>aexl_befreit: Be sure of what exactly?
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14:15<uso>aexl_befreit: not sure how to exactly search for that, but "aptitude search ~o" will list you every packacke which is not included in you current source list
14:15<aexl_befreit>babilen: that i don't have any contrib pkgs installed.
14:15<aexl_befreit>uso: nice.
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14:16<babilen>aexl_befreit: "aptitude search '~o'" would list all packages for which there is no source and "vrms" would list all installed non-free packages.
14:16<uso>aexl_befreit: you need to update your package list with "apt-get update" after changing the source list though
14:16<uso>ah right, forgot about that virtual rms :)
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14:20<aexl_befreit>thanks both of you!
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14:26<foffa>how to install java tun time ?
14:27<babilen>tun time?
14:27<aexl_befreit>bye
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14:28<babilen>o/
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14:28<babilen>foffa: Do you mean "runtime" or is that a Java game called "fun time" or is there really such a thing called "tun time" ?
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14:29<foffa>babilen, runtime :D
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14:30<babilen>dpkg: tell foffa about install java
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14:31<foffa>O_o
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14:32<foffa>babilen, okay thank but can you just gimme the command line
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14:34<babilen>foffa: You just install the openjdk-7-jre package (or -jdk if you want that)
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14:44<pangaea>anyone have any ideas how to get Linux to read MOBO temp diodes, tried lm-sensors just picking up my Radeon card??
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14:45<spippi>ciao
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14:46<somiaj>pangaea: depends on your mobo and sensor chipsets. There is an lm-sensords-detect or something like that script you can run and try to detect what sensors you mobo has
14:46<somiaj>sometimes lm-sensors needs a custom config file to correctly read/adjust sensor readins from certain mobos/chipsets, that you may have to look up in google (though its been a while since I had to do anything fance to get it to work besides detect my sensors)
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14:47<uso>it's sensors-detect (without lm prefix)
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14:49<somiaj>ahh that is the name, I was gonna suggest dpkg -L lm-sensors package (:
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14:51<mpp>sup. anyone down for helping a super useless amateur try to upgrade a server running lenny
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14:52<danijoo>lets say I have 2 rented root-servers and want to load balance between those two (mainly to keep my service up if one of those two go down). What would be a good way to do that?
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14:52<BluesKaj>still resolving dependencies, it's been 3 hrs now, upgrade from wheezy to jessie ...this is becoming very annoying
14:52<danijoo>Running a third small server with nginx as load balancer?
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14:53<somiaj>mpp: make sure you read all the release notes and upgrade one release at a time. Also is this a vm that uses a host kernel (make sure it is possible to upgrade)
14:53<babilen>BluesKaj: You don't have to resolve the dependencies yourself, but you can let a package manager do that ;)
14:53<somiaj>!tell mpp about lenny->squeeze
14:53<somiaj>!tell mpp about squeeze->wheezy
14:53<babilen>BluesKaj: Which command are you running that takes that long?
14:54<BluesKaj>aptitude upgrade
14:54<uso>BluesKaj: do you use apt-get or aptitude?
14:54<uso>BluesKaj: use apt-get
14:54<mpp>right on, somiaj.. thanks. digging through this informaton
14:54<mpp>information
14:54<BluesKaj>too late
14:54<babilen>BluesKaj: You cannot use "upgrade" as packages will have to be removed .. Try a "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade"
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14:54<babilen>(and you can just ctrl-c the computation, it is useless anyway)
14:55<BluesKaj>babilen, uhm don't think it's a good idea to break off in the middle of this , do you ?
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14:56<somiaj>is apt-get or aptitude suggested for upgrading to jessie, or is it still not decided which is better. I usually like apt-get myself.
14:56<somiaj>and shouldn't this conversation move to #debian-next
14:56<babilen>BluesKaj: Unless you started installing packages you can stop it.
14:57<babilen>And yes, we should have this conversation in #debian-next
14:57<babilen>BluesKaj: I can assure you that it will just give up finding a solution at one point. In fact I am surprised that it is still resolving.
14:57<babilen>(or continue forever)
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14:58<BluesKaj>babilen, yeah, did the ctrl+c , dist-upgrade now, thnks for the tip
14:58<somiaj>BluesKaj: just a second voice saying as long as it is not unpacking/configurating/installing the debs but either figuring out dependencies or downloading, killing the process will have no ill effect on the system.
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14:59<BluesKaj>it was just doing the computation, babilen ...seems ok
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15:00<babilen>Great, now come and "/join #debian-next"
15:00<uso>somiaj: aptitude did already fail to resolve the upgrade from squeeze to wheezy on my desktop systems, so I guess it will also fail for wheezy to jessie on more complex installations
15:01<BluesKaj>dist-upgrading s we speak ... i'm used to the 'buntu flavours and apt-get too , but I was advised to use aptitude for package aupgrades and apt-get for dist-upgrades
15:01<BluesKaj>in debian
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15:01<somiaj>uso: each release has a suggested one to use, the release notes state which is more likely to do the upgrade correct. I belive most upgrades have prefered apt-get but there have been a few where aptitudes logic worked better.
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15:02<somiaj>BluesKaj: with testing it is not really known which will work. Once an offical release happens there is usually one that is suggested to use over the other.
15:02<uso>BluesKaj: aptitude is file for incremental upgrades within a distribution as it gives more options and control
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15:03<somiaj>BluesKaj: but I would usually suggest apt-get
15:03<babilen>BluesKaj: I use apt-get (and now apt) for daily things and aptitude only if I need one of its special features (e.g. interactive resolver, search terms, ...)
15:03<uso>somiaj: as far as I remember there were only one release upgrade which recommended aptitude, I think it was lenny->squeeze, anything else recommended apt-get
15:03<BluesKaj>babilen, ahh
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15:03<babilen>aptitude just tends to "think" too long :)
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15:04<somiaj>lenny->squeeze seemed to require a special step of upgrading the kernel first to add udev if I recall.
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15:23<buckstabu>Hi, guys. I'm using ranger as file manager in wheezy and i'm trying to set up uzbl-browser as an image previewer via scope sh. But when file is highlighted first time, ranger invokes scope.sh twice a time. When i next time higlight the same file, ranger does not invoke scope.sh at all. Could anyone explain me what's going on? Related video -> http://dump.bitcheese.net/files/otyrycu/ranger.webm
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15:52<gh0st>is an acpi interrupt ok if the value is around 600?
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15:58<gh0st>for gpe
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16:02<watashi>moved today to debian testing... I'm dissapointed: kmail is not working correctly, does not send out emails they stay in outbox, and fails to decrypt pgp emails that are in outbox
16:03<somiaj>watashi: you should join #debian-next and look at bugreports
16:03<prometoys>hi, i have the problem, that my system with a 2-disk raid1 didn't boot, when a 3rd harddisk from an older raid1-setup is present. I can boot both, the new and the old raid1 systems separately with no problem
16:03<prometoys>any idea, do i need to set or remove the boot flag?
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16:07<watashi>somiaj: ok any thoughts on the problem here? I'm waiting for exempt on tor ban on that channel
16:08<watashi>prometoys: boot flag is not needed, how ever check what disk is bios booting from
16:09<mtn>watashi: how did you install testing? testing installer or upgrade from stable?
16:10<watashi>mtn: upgrade
16:10<mtn>watashi: ok. just checking as the testing intaller can cause problems
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16:17<yoda>stupid question but I am curious of a current list of available debian packages so I can compare with how many are available for different debian distro's. Is it that all the debian based distro's get the debian packages and add on to them.
16:17<yoda>in there repo's
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16:20<prometoys>watashi, in the bios i can see all disks, i tried to choose each disk manually from the dell boot menu, but always the "error: no such disk", then droppin to grub rescue shell
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16:20<watashi>prometoys: strange. In bios I usually change bios order to make sure the working one is 1st
16:21<yoda>for example looking at the distro chart off of the many debian branch of distro's is it more like an inhertances of packages . How platform independent do they get. I would imagine it is inhertances like but not forward compatible . like a ubuntu has packages that a straight debian machines cann't uses because it depends on dependences specific to ubuntu
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16:22<prometoys>watashi, i tried to put the disk in another computer, there grub started, but always from this one system (aka old raid), no matter which disk i chose to boot
16:22<prometoys>maybe, the dell bios isn't picking correctly the disk, i try to change that, thx
16:23<uso>yoda: I don't think they take all packages from debian, but rather a subset of them, but better ask in the relevant distribution channel, for debian you can get a statistics with "apt-cache stats" and a package list with "apt-cache pkgnames"
16:25<yoda>is there a site that list all the debian package available in each debian repo. I am think debian.org or something but a link would be great
16:26<yoda>not currently on a straight debian system or remember the repo location
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16:28<yoda>pkgnames only list currently whats on the system. I need a web page currently with this stuff
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16:30<uso>yoda: you can get a list of all files and packages for the current release from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/Debian7.6/Contents-amd64.gz
16:30<yoda>thanks thats what I need
16:32<prometoys>watashi: i changed the dell bios, remove boot from 2 of 3 disk, tried this for each disk once enabled, didn't helped. maybe a bios/dell problem. system rescue cd recognize all disks and volume groups correctly, i give up, and copy the data from the live system...
16:32<prometoys>thanks for your help
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16:36<watashi>prometoys: no problem, yeah maybe it's bios problem
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16:42<firstnerd>hello people
16:42<BluesKaj>prometoys, no bootloader ?
16:43<yoda>so are most of the packages for debian independent of the arch version like amd , i386 , x64 , powerpc,...etc are is there some package not in one because of the arch. I would imagine all of them would for the most part
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16:43<BluesKaj>yoda, the short answer is yes
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16:44<yoda>also how different is the different debian distro's kernels are they all basically pretty much the same as the ones on kernal.org or do they have completely different code bases
16:44<yoda>for the most part
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16:45<uso>yoda: and you can check it yourself, just replace the architecture part of the URL I gave you above ;)
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16:47<prometoys>watashi, BluesKaj: mhh, i run grub-install from systemrescuecd (with chroot, bind etc pp). i gut no error. but when i run update-grub (still inside chroot) i got the error "no such disk" 4 times, then it find the old system on the old disk
16:47<yoda>yes I get it but what about the kernels for debian based os's how much modification is done from the ones on kernal.org?
16:49<BluesKaj>prometoys, probly the mbr on /dev/sda
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16:50<planetmaker>well, yoda, you know their revision and their patch level. Go and look at debian's kernel source repo and checkout as to what the debian patches are
16:51<yoda>ok but correct me if I am wrong the kernal.org is the generic versions that debian based os's are patched with so it would just be a compare of the kernel.org branches with the debian branches
16:53<dondelelcaro>yoda: all of the patches that Debian applies are separated out, so you can just look at them.
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16:54<yoda>can I eleborate even more and say that kernel.org is what normally the distro's of debian , or slackware or redhat bases there codebases on when designing a new os
16:56<yoda>basically 99% of linux distro's start off with a kernel.org codebases when developing a new operating system... even mobile linux android based it on kernel.org. So would it be safe to say most linux based os's are designed starting from a code bases on kernel.org of the generic linux
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16:58<yoda>anyone know
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16:59<babilen>yoda: Linux *is* the kernel so you can, naturally, say that
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17:00<dondelelcaro>yoda: that's what the kernel is; the kernel is an important part, but it's not the entirity of an OS.
17:00<yoda>I mean the kernel starting from the codebases of a version of kernel.org
17:00<yoda>understand
17:00<yoda>that
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17:01<yoda>would that be correct for most linux based os's
17:02<yoda>kernel being based on kernel.org codebases and patch with modification
17:02<dondelelcaro>yoda: yes.
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17:08<yoda>ok going a few steps further BSD operating systems that are free like freebsd,openbsd ,...etc how different is there code bases from the 386BSD or system at&t unix operating systems that where mostly close sources
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17:09<yoda>basically is the source code much different then the closed sources old BSD , unix at&t os's
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17:10<yoda>I would imagine very much so because the unix at&t I have fewed for some pdp computers it is very primitive by todays standards but impressive
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17:12<yoda>development of BSD is alot larger / for alot broader archs so the low kernel code seems to be more of a rewrite then simple couple patches. Though patches alot of them give the same affect as a complete rewrite some times
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17:46<arod>any good reason to install using UEFI instead of legacy/BIOS/CSM?
17:47<arod>(new desktop, SSD, dual boot needed for work)
17:48<petn-randall>arod: I'd go with the one with which the other OS is installed in. If the machine is still empty, go with UEFI.
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17:49<arod>petn-randall, empty. New install for both debian (sid) and windows 8.1
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17:50<petn-randall>arod: You can trigger booting the "other OS" from within Linux upon the next reboot. The kernel can use efivars to save debug info on a kernel crash. Secure boot will probably also work some time in the future.
17:50<arod>petn-randall, is it supported by the debian-installer?
17:50<petn-randall>arod: Yes, since wheezy.
17:50<petn-randall>(except for secure boot, but sid doesn't even support that yet)
17:50<arod>petn-randall, I don't care about sercure boot.
17:51<petn-randall>arod: It's a feature I'd like to have. Especially since malware could otherwise simply but your whole OS into a VM and make itself invisible.
17:51<arod>isn't UEFI more complicated? I mean should I expect trouble or unnecessary hassles going with UEFI?
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17:54<arod>petn-randall, I'm quite a long time linux user but UEFI is new to me. Do live cd work? Can I use grub as usual? Will I encounter unexpected bugs?
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18:14<petn-randall>arod: As I said, it's already supported in stable, which is a sign that it's already mature enough for everyday usage. I'm using UEFI on my laptop and several servers.
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18:16<arod>petn-randall, thanks. I'll give it a try. Is grub still needed in this setup? What's the common choice for an UEFI bootloader?
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18:17<petn-randall>arod: Yes, grub is still needed, and is installed unless you override that choice.
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18:18<arod>ok
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18:18<petn-randall>arod: The only caveat is that secure boot isn't supported, so you have to make sure that it's not active.
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18:41<arod>petn-randall, thanks
18:41<petn-randall>arod: You're welcome!
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18:55<gh0st>how does one disable an acpi interrupt?
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19:41<AlexLikeRock>gh0st, do you mean POWER button ?
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19:45<AlexLikeRock>KDE ---> system setings ---> energy manager ---> "Button events handling " ---> un-Marck
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20:00<gh0st>I mean I need to disable /sys/firmware/acpi/interrupts/gpe17
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20:36<Romboo>Hello, I have a little problem with debian. It would be great if someone can give me a hand
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20:38<gsimmons>Romboo: Just go ahead and describe your problem.
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20:42<Romboo>Okay
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20:44<Romboo>I've just installed software center. When i want to download some specific applications like Compiz, it says "Avalailable from the main source". If I put "use this sources" the software center tries to update caché and says "Querying software sources" but nothing happens
20:44<Romboo>Any idea?
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21:23<dsfargeg>Hello there. May I ask some questions about installing Debian in an USB? I am having some troubles related to booting.
21:23<dsfargeg>I heard it's possible to install Debian on a stick without using it in LiveUSB mode, is it true?
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21:25<dsfargeg>Like, installing / there then GRUB or another bootloader to allow quick boot of Debian in any computer.
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21:30<somiaj>dsfargeg: there are various ways to deal with USB. Since the usb interface is kinda slow (though maybe usb3 is fast enough for decent speeds) many prefer the live option and then include presitance.
21:31<somiaj>dsfargeg: the debian live images are set up for preseistance already, and you just need to include some additional paritions to store the presistance. The advantage to this is after you boot up things you aren't really running off the usb and get quicker speeds.
21:31<somiaj>but live + persistance, or even better a custom live image + presistance would give you the best result for isntalling debian on a usb stick
21:31<dsfargeg>somiaj: How could I make a custom live image?
21:32<dsfargeg>I would like to have something like netinstall to add the stuff I want on top of it and then install it.
21:32<somiaj>live.debian.net is a set of tools to make your own live image from a package list. The documenation is tehre. They also provide premade ones as you probabaly know.
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21:33<somiaj>I have never done it myself, but skimmed though the docs, seems to be fairly straight forward to say take a image like standard and build it (test the processes) then add the packages you want to the list
21:33<dsfargeg>Wow, nice! I will check it out now.
21:34<dsfargeg>Then performing a dd from the iso to my sdb should be enough, right?
21:34<dsfargeg>Or is it recommended to use some other tool?
21:35<somiaj>I belive the process creates a debian hybrid iso just like the ones you can download (with your own custom package list/configs)
21:35<somiaj>but as I said I have only skimmed the docs
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21:35<dsfargeg>Hmmm...
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21:35<dsfargeg>Will I get persistence using dd or do I need to use that Casper Persistence feature some installers have?
21:36<somiaj>dsfargeg: do any of the current live images almost meet what tools you want? That + peristance would be easier than creating your own. But the option is there
21:36<somiaj>you will have to manually add the additional partitions after you dd the image
21:37<dsfargeg>Well, if I am able to install some programs andchange configurations after I install it then I think live + persistence will do.
21:37<dsfargeg>It's probably going to be run on toasters so I wanted to use some light WM like Openbox or i3, a DE could be too heavy.
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21:38<somiaj>yes, I think you just get slightly better preforamnce if you make your own, http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html
21:38<somiaj>there is full persistance and home persistance, you will want to configure both unless you make a custom image that you won't need full for.
21:39<dsfargeg>Will read that link now.
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21:39<debian-sucks>i do believe that debian sucks
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21:40<dsfargeg>By the way, is there any way I can set a FAT32 partition in my USB to be accessed from both Debian and Windows?
21:40<debian-sucks>debian still sucks
21:40<debian-sucks>debian sucks
21:40<debian-sucks>debian sucks
21:40<dsfargeg>I tried to do so but GRUB went crazy, so I am not sure if a dd'd image will also do the same.
21:41<debian-sucks>debian sucks
21:41<debian-sucks>debian sucks
21:41<debian-sucks>debian sucks
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21:43<dsfargeg>I guess I just accidentally the whole installation because it seems weird that GRUB gives warnings about multiple partitions not supported, but I prefer to be sure.
21:45<somiaj>dsfargeg: some thumbdrives have a portable drive bit set that windows reads. If windows sees that it will not allow you to access any partition beyond the first. Thus with the current setup this may not be possible.
21:45<somiaj>I have seen articles on how to turn that portable bit off on your hardware, and then windows will see it as a normal drive and would give you access to additional paritons
21:46<dsfargeg>Alright. I was more scared about not being able to install GRUB than not being able to access it from Windows, to be honest.
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21:46<dsfargeg>I will try to make an image and then I will look how to make it accessible.
21:47<somiaj>the live image will be set up to boot already, just dd the iso to the usb stick, then make the persistance parititons in the remaining space afterwards
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21:48<dsfargeg>Yes, I am reading about that right now. It seems it's just as easy as setting up some tags and flags, but it also requires mounting them on boot.
21:48<somiaj>the live image looks for filesystems by the names given, and should automatically mount them. You may have to send it the persistance flag at the start, but that should be enough.
21:49<dsfargeg>Alright, then it might be a piece of cake.
21:49<dsfargeg>By the way, debian.net and live-systems.org are trustworthy sites, right?
21:50<somiaj>I don't know what live-systems.org is, but live.debian.net I would trust
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21:51<dsfargeg>live-systems.org seems to be a page where you can create .iso, it is linked from debian.net so I guess it's from them.
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21:51<dsfargeg>There are probably other methods, though I will keep reading.
21:51<dsfargeg>Thanks for your help.
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21:52<uso>dsfargeg: if you only want to read the USB stick on your own windows systems there is an ext4 driver available for windows which can at least read ext4 filesystms, I do not remember if it also can write to ext4
21:53<somiaj>uso: the first partition will be the static live image so even if he could read it, it woudlnt' have any data he would need.
21:54<dsfargeg>I am not sure if I would trust Windows to touch my ext4 paritions lol.
21:54<somiaj>You would have to get tricky to make the first parition the one that is shared, and then have the live image boot up off the second.
21:54<dsfargeg>But if nothing else works I will have to consider it.
21:55<dsfargeg>Hope we don't reach that point.
21:55<uso>somiaj: ah, sorry, thought that was an ext4 partition, I don't know the structure of the installer image
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22:04<dsfargeg>Ah, I forgot to ask, which packages should I install to run USB mobile Internet dongles?
22:04<dsfargeg>I was able to use that same dongle in a regular Ubuntu installation long ago, so I am sure it has to be possible, but I have no idea what packages I require.
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22:12<uso>dsfargeg: modemmanager may be helpful
22:13<dsfargeg>I found a guide on it. It seems it needs a few packages more in case it somehow is unable to detect the dongle as a modem.
22:16<uso>dsfargeg: sorry, can't help you there as I don't own such a dongle, I only remembered the modemmanager package from removing it from my instalations on a clean-up :)
22:19<somiaj>it might depnd on the actual device, but I'm sure once you find the chipset you can look it up. (:
22:19<dsfargeg>Don't worry, it is true it requires modemmanager. XD
22:19<dsfargeg>Yeah, the guide looks pretty simple.
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22:20<dsfargeg>If it doesn't work I can always use my phone directly to access the Internet and download what I need, lol.
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