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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-08-01

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01:02<supaplex1>I need a 802.11gn usb adapter that can use master (AP) mode (eg, hostapd) for more than 7 clients. Firmware/SoC ram limitations on the ath9k_htc (AR9271) cannot run more than 7 associated clients at once. TIA.
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01:45<yoda>I was just curious on the usernet where this part of the internet is located?
01:45<yoda>or is it much to big to classify as the internet is
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01:47<SamB>!usenet
01:47<dpkg>Usenet is a distributed Internet discussion system. Ask me about <newsgroups>, <nntp>, <godwin's law> and <sdate>.
01:48<SamB>yoda: it's called usenet
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01:48<yoda>yes is this mostly located at some college or is it all over the place basically is there a defined location for the majority of it or is it to difficult to classify location wise this way
01:49<SamB>yoda: it's quite murky
01:49<dcraig>most of the internet is in a box under my desk
01:49<yoda>also similar question but fidonet for the BBS systems locations "majority"
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01:50<yoda>and I doubt that dcraig
01:50<SamB>yoda: their are servers all over that feed off one another, but they don't all cary all groups
01:50<SamB>*carry
01:50<SamB>yoda: and retention policies differ
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01:51<yoda>ok then where did fidonet and usenet begin from?
01:51<SamB>that was about usenet, sorry
01:51<SamB>I dunno fidonet
01:51<SamB>is that even still alive?
01:51<SamB>!fidonet
01:51<dpkg>methinks fidonet is an old BBS message network. Thousands of nodes (BBSs) are (or used to be) connected to the net. Messages are posted and passed upstream, new messages are downloaded in the ungodly hours of the night. http://www.fidonet.org/ is *not* very helpful. Ask about a nodelist.
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01:52<gh0st>I keep getting this shit message and pretty sure its causing my system to crash every DAY..... drm:intel_dsm_platform_mux_info
01:52<gh0st>can smoeone help?
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01:54<jm_>try a newer kernel
02:00<gh0st>im using 3.2.6
02:01<gh0st>I forgot to add this part "*ERROR* MUX INFO call failed"
02:01<weasel>where does your kernel come from?
02:02<gh0st>well the debian wheezy
02:03<gh0st>I tried on mempo grsecurity patched 3.2
02:03<gh0st>as well
02:04<supaplex_>looks audio related
02:04<gh0st>oh. really?
02:04<gh0st>I saw also something said warning with "pulsaudio" or something during start but it loaded too fast
02:04<gh0st>additionally I mean
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02:06<gh0st>not sure if its related
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02:06<jm_>you can find 3.14 in bpo
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02:07<gh0st>you think this will fix it?
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02:11<jm_>no, but it's worth trying
02:11<jm_>or rather, I don't know
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02:12<gh0st>I don't even know if this is the cause of the crashes either :(
02:12<gh0st>randomly I will get a complete freeze
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02:14<gh0st>I noticed that I get high cpu usage due to kworker I think
02:14<gh0st>so I disabled a high value gpe acpi interrupt
02:14<gh0st>didn't do anything, the value still stays high
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02:59<gh0st>for the love of god, how do I disable wireless networking on boot?
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03:02<jm_>gh0st: you've been told yesterday
03:03<gh0st>I disconnected :(:(
03:04<gh0st>jm_, can you please repeat
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03:11<look300>gh0st: about wireless networking
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03:12<gh0st>oh yeah, how can I disable on boot
03:12<gh0st>completely
03:12<ncl>remove the module from /etc/modules
03:12<look300>#debian should kno
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03:13<jm_><babilen> gh0st: You can disable the NetworkManager service (cf. <disable service> -- /msg dpkg disable service) or convince NM to not activate that interface when it comes up. Not sure how to do the latter.
03:14<gh0st>the latter is the whole point of my qustion.......
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03:15<supaplex_>!don't know
03:15<babilen>gh0st: What does the NM documentation say about defining managed/unmanaged interfaces?
03:16<gh0st>reading now
03:16<supaplex_>gh0st: I don't use NM or related (imo crap) for that reason. I purged those kinds of things long time ago. all my interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces are not auto as well.
03:17<gh0st>alright
03:17<gh0st>how come its crap btw, curious
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03:18<supaplex_>my setup is too complex for NM. Using virtuilzation and bridging etc. just easier for me to stick to regular config files.
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03:23<gh0st>can't I just do (interface) down in the interfaces file..?
03:24<jm_>debian's NM wiki page says something about NM and interfaces managed via the interfaces file, see https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager
03:26<themill>gh0st: what are you really trying to achieve here?
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03:27<gh0st>disable wireless interface on boot
03:27<gh0st>rather straightforward
03:27<themill>what do you mean by disable?
03:28<gh0st>so that I have to enable it manually..
03:28<themill>To what end? What are you really trying to achieve?
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03:29<gh0st>lol what?
03:29<gh0st>what is that question trying to achieve
03:29<themill>Well if I tell you to blacklist your wireless driver from the kernel, are you going to accept that as an answer?
03:29<themill>!support jeopardy
03:29<dpkg>jeopardy is the BEST
03:29<gh0st>no :)
03:29<themill>!support-jeopardy
03:29<dpkg>support jeopardy means: first you get to guess at the question ... and then you're STILL supposed to answer it. Commonly played on #debian on a daily basis and specially weekends, although only few people realize it. Just guessing at the answer without figuring out and naming the question is considered cheating
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03:30<gh0st>lol
03:30<themill>To me "disable wireless" would mean "blacklist the driver". To you it doesn't. Perhaps you could explain what your actual use case is.
03:31<supaplex_>he wants it inactive/not auto, but still capable
03:31<gh0st>yeah
03:31<gh0st>thx
03:31<themill>Just mark the connections as being not-automatic in n-m?
03:32<gh0st>its not even marked as auto
03:32<gh0st>not even listed at all
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03:32<themill>n-m has a per-wireless-network setting for "connect automatically". Don't tick that and it will only connect to that network when you ask it to. Job done.
03:32<gh0st>I know
03:32<gh0st>but on restart
03:32<gh0st>it still connects
03:33<themill>not if you've marked the connection as not to be used automatically.
03:33<themill>(which is autoconnect=false in the appropriate file in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/)
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03:58<hari>holaaaaaaa
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03:59<hari>anybody there
03:59<supaplex_>depends
03:59<supaplex_>!ask
03:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:59<hari>ok then boooks and movies
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04:00<gh0st>dpkg is a boss
04:00<dpkg>wish i knew, gh0st
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04:00<gh0st>dpkg you know everything
04:00<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
04:00<hari>shinydog u there
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04:52<JeroenSack>I have a question about setting up the cross compiler in sbuild, am I in the right channel?
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05:25<captnfab>JeroenSack: you may have more luck on #debian-mentors since your problem concerns debian binary packages building.
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05:29<JeroenSack>thanks
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05:40<brutus>Hello guys, I'm having a little issue on Synaptic: on Settings->Repositories I'm unable to tick "Officially supported (main)". How can I solve this?
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05:49<OERIAS>Riley Price is hooooooootttt
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05:50<look300>brutus: strange. what if you edit /etc/apt/sources.list and restart synaptic
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05:54<brutus>look300: ok, should I use these entries? http://pastebin.com/Hk2rjVtS
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05:58<jm_>looks ok if you want those
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05:58<brutus>i just want the default ones! :D
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06:04<jm_>that's ok
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06:08<brutus>well, after sources.list editing synaptic is working, thanks! I ask you another question: my pc is behind a proxy, I configured Iceweasel and it's correctly browsing, for all the other applications I was trying to export "http_proxy" but it seems to not be read... can I use Proxychains for the same purpose?
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06:10<look300>brutus: eg for apt, you should set a proxy option, like 00proxy in apt conf.d duckduckgo it
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06:12<brutus>ok, but this way i need to configure every single application... is there a fast way of configuring the proxy for everything in my system?
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09:01<frimen>все привет!
09:01<frimen>подскажите пожалуйста
09:01<frimen>проводил установку Atom
09:01<frimen>sudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/atom
09:01<frimen>sudo apt-get update
09:01<frimen>sudo apt-get install atom
09:02<frimen>все установилось а вот значка в списке программ не появилось
09:02<petn-randall>!ru
09:02<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
09:02<supaplex_>!ru
09:02<Maulkin>!ru
09:02<supaplex_>lol.
09:02<petn-randall>:)
09:02<Maulkin>Bah
09:02<petn-randall>first!
09:02<frimen>подскажите какой командой можно его вывести в список программ?
09:02*supaplex_ ^5's petn-randall
09:02<frimen>=)
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09:03<petn-randall>frimen: You can get english-only support here, sorry. Head over to #debian-russian if you want/need support in russian.
09:03<Maulkin>Plus looks like an Ubuntu user
09:03<frimen>ok
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09:03*petn-randall ^5's supaplex_ back.
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09:13<THEJelly>hi
09:13<DEFCON_102_DEBIAN_KALI_LINUX>RTHGRTH
09:13<Maulkin>!ask
09:13<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:18<cyralm>If I try to download "debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop.iso.torrent" with Transmission, then it gives me the following error: "Tracker gave an error: torrent not found".
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09:18<cyralm>It was exactly like this a week ago. But it's slowly downloading through DHT, though.
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09:20<cyralm>Someone please fix the tracker. kthxbye
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09:22<Apollo>lol
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09:28<BluesKaj>Hiyas all
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10:05<austria>hi
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10:12<ahmett>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
10:12<ahmett>ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!
10:12<ahmett>Repent, has not sinned
10:12<ahmett>In the desert, the camel lost then found a person who is very, very worrying, Allahu ta'ala, and the repentance of his servant, and continue to rejoice. The prophet Muhammad pbuh
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10:12<austria>allahu
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11:26<maite>olhola
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11:26<centrx>!es
11:26<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:27<aite>hola
11:27<aite>hay alguien
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11:30<aite>jaja nadie me escribe la
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11:32<cimmm>Hi, having trouble getting boot for Dell Dimension4700. BIOS reads all drives but boot sequence only gives me "Onboard SATA Hard Drive" option (I have 2 SATA HDD on onboard controller, drive with deb installed on SATA0). Boot attempts always return "0 active partitions" been looking around online but dont see related. Anyone know of a way around this?
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11:42<Brigo>cimmm, can you install grub in the onboard disk?
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11:51<cimmm>Brigo, sry had window down - yeah grub installed also
11:51<Brigo>cimmm, and the system do no find it?
11:52<cimmm>would pull the other SATA onboard if that solves bios conflict, but have to reduce LV first
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11:52<cimmm>No, have 2x onboard SATA and only gives 1 selection for boot - sys install on SATA0, part of LV on SATA1
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11:55<cimmm>Problem is even if I pull SATA1-pv for initial boot, I never get to use it unless hotplug or external
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16:15<Guest4561>где я ???
16:15<Guest4561>lol )))
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16:15<zuse>problem: rsync copies at high rate until >90%, then hangs
16:15<zuse>completes silently, then the same happens for the next file
16:16<weasel>do you already have 90% of the file here?
16:16<zuse>it seems to me the rate displayed is wrhong
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16:16<zuse>good idea weasel
16:16<weasel>so rsync would go through the file, see all is the same, and only then realize that
16:16<zuse>ah ok
16:16<weasel>a) it needs to copy all that stuff it just verified to a new file
16:16<zuse>no
16:16<weasel>then
16:16<weasel>b) needs to sync the rest
16:16<zuse>the file is created new on the target
16:17<zuse>rsync to smb mount
16:17<zuse>good idea though
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16:18<zuse>I could check if 90% (or 9?%) are present on the target, thereby identifying if it is related to any buffers or the like
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19:11<duglas>Anyone know how to get Skype running again after an upgrade? I went to Skype.com, and in the support section I was told to install Pulse Audio. I had to remove Pulse from Squeeze to get my sound running, I would rather not install it again.
19:12<retrospectacus>pulse good. skype bad. squeeze old.
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19:13<duglas>I now got wheeze. Skype only way to see my grandkids. What does Pulse do?
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19:16<retrospectacus>lets Skype have sound, apparently.
19:17<retrospectacus>https://wiki.debian.org/skype - see "Sound problem" about 2/3 down
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19:24<duglas>Should I remove ALSA before installing PulseAudio?
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19:25<retrospectacus>no
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19:39<duglas>retrospectacus, tks for the help
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20:42<InevBetrayal>Hi everyone. I'm making a home server (mostly media) and initially was going to use unRaid. I've since found http://snapraid.sourceforge.net/ . I thought of using a bootable USB (8GB) for Debian and having all the data on the raid array. Would this setup cause me problems that wouldnt happen if i just had debian on an HDD?
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20:44<organic>InevBetrayal: what do you mean by "problems"?
20:45<InevBetrayal>organic: mostly worried about the USB drive dying
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20:48<oldlaptop>InevBetrayal: USB drives (and flash-based storage generally) will die if you write too much to it
20:48<oldlaptop>in theory, at least
20:48<oldlaptop>Whether using it as / will cause that to happen depends heavily on how you use the system
20:49<oldlaptop>you certainly want to mount anything on there noatime
20:49<oldlaptop>other than that, you will probably have no issues
20:50<InevBetrayal>oldlaptop: in theory i could just have everything being written to the raid array to minimize the ammount of writes right? And maybe even do some backups of configs just in case?
20:52<InevBetrayal>minimize the ammount of writes to the usb*
20:53<oldlaptop>Sure
20:53<oldlaptop>it's probably convenient to have everything but /home on the USB stick though
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20:54<oldlaptop>that and /home (depending on what you do in there)
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21:02<InevBetrayal>my idea is to have plex media server, sickbeard, couchpotato, maybe some backup solution as well. since most (i think even all) would read/write from the disk array i should probably set /home on the array. thank you so much for the input!
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22:01<psychokinesis>so
22:01<psychokinesis>I got tired of people on rizon downloading avatars to my kvirc directory
22:02<psychokinesis>I thought i'd be smart and #chmod a-rx the avatars directory as root
22:02<psychokinesis>chmod a-wx*
22:02<psychokinesis>anyway, even though the read permissions are correct, I cant cd into the directory -- for some reason
22:02<psychokinesis>can someone help?
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22:09<somiaj>psychokinesis: in order to cd into a directory, the directory has to have the execute bit
22:09<somiaj>the actual files in the directory don't need it
22:10<psychokinesis>oh!
22:10<psychokinesis>thank you!
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22:40<euphoria>hi
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22:40<User85>hi
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23:04<aidalgol>How do I find out which version of OpenGL my installed version of Mesa implements?
23:05<aidalgol>oh, right: look up the version I have installed on the mesa website.
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23:10<somiaj>aidalgol: glxinfo
23:11<SamB>aidalgol: hopefully it implements more than one version ;-)
23:11<aidalgol>SamB: Er, yes, latest is what I'm after. :P
23:11<aidalgol>somiaj: Thanks!
23:12<SamB>aidalgol: I believe the most recent are stripped-down, though
23:14<SamB>hmm, looks like my mesa decided to use llvmpipe rather than the GL implementation on the X server ...
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23:16<aidalgol>What's llvmpipe?
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23:17<SamB>aidalgol: I assume it uses the CPU
23:17<aidalgol>bleh!
23:18<euphoria>^_^
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23:39<InevBetrayal>i'm trying to make a debian-live USB. i've read that i need to have a partition in the usb named "persistence" (and edit the live.cfg accordingly) so that any changes that i make will still remain (say, making a blank file).
23:39<InevBetrayal>Is there a way to set the "persistence" to an HDD on the computer?
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23:41<SamB>!debian-live
23:41<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org.
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23:42<SamB>InevBetrayal: the #debian-live channel might be more helpful for that?
23:42<SamB>it'll likely take a while to get an answer, but I doubt if anyone here who knows will see the question
23:43<InevBetrayal>SamB: thanks, ill ask there!
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23:48<somiaj>InevBetrayal: you shouldn't have to modify the live usb images to add a persistance partition (by default they should support it)
23:49<somiaj>http://live.debian.net/manual/1.x/html/persistence.html -- make a partition with a file system on it labeled 'live-rw', and then boot with the persistent option
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23:50<aidalgol>Is there some way to adjust the sensitivity of the X cursor hiding in xterm? It blinks when I'm typing because it reappears very quickly after a keystroke in an xterm.
23:50<InevBetrayal>somiaj: but that would involve writing on the USB drive, which im trying to avoid to prolong the healthspan
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23:51<InevBetrayal>somiaj: nevermind, just read that a partition on the HDD is possible, thank you for the link!
23:51<somiaj>yes you just need a file system with that name, that file system can be anywhere
23:52<somiaj>aidalgol: look at man xterm, sure you can configure that using .XDefaults
23:53<aidalgol>somiaj: What else is the X cursor called? xterm(1) uses "cursor" to refer to the tty cursor, and I'm not sure what else to search for.
23:54<jmcnaught>aidalgol: "pointer for mouse, "cursor" for text input
23:54<aidalgol>ah, thanks!
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23:56<aidalgol>OK, I'm not finding anything related to hiding the pointer.
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23:58<InevBetrayal>somiaj: the partition doesn't have to be very big if i store all the files on the other (bigger) partition right? I only need to have the filesystem exist to be able to make permanent changes on the system
23:59<somiaj>aidalgol: maybe look at xset and it could be set by mouse sensitivity and the amount of movement there
23:59<somiaj>InevBetrayal: I have never used it so I don't know what exactally is put on that partition
23:59<somiaj>might depend on how much changes you do
23:59<InevBetrayal>alright, thanks for the info though!
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