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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-08-02

---Logopened Sat Aug 02 00:00:56 2014
00:01<aidalgol>somiaj: The mouse isn't juttering while I'm typing, and I'm also not having this problem in any other program.
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00:03<somiaj>That is my best guess, xterm hides the mouse as soon as you type until it detects the mouse 'moves', as I said it might be using xset to do that
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00:04<somiaj>so maybe increasing the mouse threashold with xset would stop that
00:04<aidalgol>Er, yes... that did it.
00:05<aidalgol>Wait, now it's not doing it even after setting it back to what I had it on before...
00:05<somiaj>maybe clean the laswer area on your mouse or what not, sometimes that can cause a jitter
00:05<aidalgol>yeah, I'll do that
00:05*aidalgol mutters something about cat hair.
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00:31<blacktay>Hello. I am having some trouble setting up i3 as the default window manager, could anyone help me?
00:31<blacktay>I am running update-alternatives but even with i3 selected LXDE still starts.
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00:38<InevBetrayal>somiaj: made the partition and its now working properly! thanks a bunch for the info on the filesystem!
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02:09<sveta>(already asked at the other network's #debian channel, they don't know) how can I view (and navigate) dependency graph WITH aggregated sizes of each graph node?
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02:11<babilen>What is the "aggregated size of a graph node" (not that I think that you can)
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02:29<rryoumaa>sveta: how about finding a generic graph navigator, and manually creating the data for it from the debian dependencies using apt-cache?
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02:50<helmut_>hi
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03:09<Simgate>Hello ! I'm using debootstrap to bootstrap a Debian system and I'm wondering if there are non-essential files (or packages) that I can remove to reduce the size of my system ?
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03:11<sveta>babilen: size of a package + its all dependencies
03:11<sveta>eg if foo depends on bar, then for 'foo' node it should say total size of both
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03:37<r3sh0ck>hello it works?
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03:41<devil>r3sh0ck: it?
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03:41<devil>it usualy does if you do it right :)
03:41<devil>whatever it is
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04:53<thieh>Question: is there a way to manually configure repos during install, such as using a wheezy install cd to install jessie?
04:55<thieh>(reason to do that includes some hiccups when upgrading to systemd-sysv that I might want to see if it goes away by doing that)
04:55<somiaj>thieh: only if you use the pxe netboot image. Most installs are not that.
04:55<somiaj>thieh: you could also try the 'testing' installer, though that may or may not work depending on the day
04:56<thieh>somiaj: did you mean the netinst image?
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04:59<somiaj>thieh: no I meant the netboot pxe installer
04:59<somiaj>it is not standard I'd have to look for it
05:00<somiaj>http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
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05:01<thieh>the netboot installer? ok I'll see what it can do
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05:15<peterpacz1>Help, I'm stuck in a minimal debian installation without a desktop environment.
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05:15<somiaj>peterpacz1: do you have the internet configured?
05:16<peterpacz1>I seem to have most of the important command line tools available
05:16<somiaj>if so just install the one you want, if not first configure the network, then set up internet sources, then isntall the de you want
05:16<peterpacz1>I have internet access configured
05:16<peterpacz1>I'm currently talking to you though the debian machine, using a command line IRC client.
05:16<peterpacz1>So far, I've set up lynx, irssi, and sudo.
05:16<peterpacz1>How can I install the desktop environment?
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05:18<peterpacz1>I'm sorry for these silly questions - I'm new to linux in general.
05:18<peterpacz1>I barely know how to operate apt-get.
05:19<peterpacz1>How can I install the desktop environment?
05:19<somiaj>peterpacz1: what desktop do you want?
05:19<peterpacz1>Er...
05:19<peterpacz1>Sorry, I don't know
05:19<peterpacz1>This is a very old machine
05:19<somiaj>the main ones are gnome, kde, xfce and lxde
05:19<peterpacz1>Prefarably something lightweight
05:20<somiaj>you probabaly want xfce or lxde or even just a simple window manager, first you need to figure out what you want.
05:20<peterpacz1>I've heard about Gnome and Unity, but I think those are too resource extensive.
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05:20<peterpacz1>Alright.
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05:20<Zomb>peterbeck: how much RAM is the question
05:20<peterpacz1>How about I come back after doing a bit of research?
05:20<somiaj>xfce has a bit nicer look (by most peoles idea) but lxde is the lighter, it is simple
05:20<peterpacz1>Um.
05:20<peterpacz1>I think it's half a GB.
05:21<somiaj>peterpacz1: you can actually install any of them, but if you just want say lxde, 'apt-get install lxde'
05:21<peterpacz1>512 MB of RAM, actually.
05:21<peterpacz1>Oh
05:21<peterpacz1>Alright, I can handle that.
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05:21<peterpacz1>Would lxde handle 512 MB's worth of ram?
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05:22<Zomb>it should work. But you also need to consider other memory consumers, like Iceweasel (Firefox).
05:22<somiaj>it should be okay. It is the lightest desktop enviorment solution. You would have to go start searching though window mangers you may like other wise
05:22<somiaj>I would say it is a good place to start
05:23<Zomb>maybe try more simple ones, like icewm, wmaker, ion?
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05:23<peterpacz1>icewm?
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05:24<peterpacz1>I'm going to search a bit about minimalistic desktop environments.
05:24<peterpacz1>Say, what's the difference between desktop environments and window managers?
05:24<somiaj>debian probabaly has 10 different wms you can choose from, but lxde is a good starting point. If you find it is a bit to heavy you can try other options. But most likely your webbrowers will be the problem and not lxde
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05:25<peterpacz1>Alright.
05:25<somiaj>well many, 10 isn't the correc tnumber
05:25<somiaj>de's will contain tools, office programs, web browers, etc.
05:25<somiaj>and wm is only the tool that manage windows on top of xorgs it won't include additional software
05:25<Zomb>peterbeck: WMs only manage windows. No file manager inside of your desk, no fancy session saving and restoring, etc.
05:25<peterpacz1>I see.
05:26<peterpacz1>Well, I think I'm going to get LXDE
05:26<peterpacz1>Before I leave, just to make it clear
05:26<peterpacz1>I run "apt-get lxde", right?
05:26<Zomb>however, some WMs include a lot of applets (builtin or via plugins) which makes them quite usable
05:26<somiaj>peterpacz1: apt-get install lxde
05:27<somiaj>Zomb: most are nicely configurable to use what ever applications you want. (:
05:27<somiaj>though in peterpacz1 case I would get a default set since he doesn't seem to have an idea of what tools he may want/need. Good starting point, explore other options later
05:28<peterpacz1>Thank you
05:28<peterpacz1>Cya!
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06:38<hela>Hola!
06:39<Brigo>!es
06:39<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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06:42<hela>Vaya!no sé inglés y aquí no puedo copiar y pegar en el traductor.
06:43<hela>De todos modos no he instalado Debian sino Guadalinex...
06:43<hela>Estaba probando. Un saludo.
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07:42<paco>I'm trying to backport qt5 on wheezy, but it requires a newer version of glib. Would I screw up things very much if I backported it too?
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14:33<DEFCON_102_DEBIAN_KALI_LINUX>Don't run Bundler as root. Bundler can ask for sudo if it is needed, and installing your bundle as root will break this application for all non-root users on this
14:33<DEFCON_102_DEBIAN_KALI_LINUX>machine.
14:33<DEFCON_102_DEBIAN_KALI_LINUX>Could not locate Gemfile
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14:35<DEFCON_102_DEBIAN_KALI_LINUX>********************************************************************************
14:35<DEFCON_102_DEBIAN_KALI_LINUX>_______ _____ ______ _______ _______ ______ __ _ _______******************
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14:35<DEFCON_102_DEBIAN_KALI_LINUX> ***by Defcon102***
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14:36<ncl>lol
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14:36<supaplex_>what a n00b.ru lol.
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15:02<SSLClient>Anyone experienced in Webmin since they don't have a channel?
15:03<centrx>Isn't Webmin considered a mess you should never use and was removed from Debian for security reasons?
15:04<SSLClient>Webmin is a separate project but I figured people here might use it?
15:04*weasel muses about the meaning of that subordinate clause
15:05<Ganneff>!webmin
15:05<dpkg>Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Removed from Debian post-Sarge, see http://bugs.debian.org/343897 . The Debian package from webmin.com is of poor quality. See <free whcp> for alternatives.
15:07*SSLClient facepalms.
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15:08<SSLClient>So I can expect no help here then.
15:08<Ganneff>correct
15:08<Ganneff>not for webmin
15:08<Ganneff>(or any other stuff not in Debian)
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15:09<jmcnaught>SSLClient: my advice would be instead of using a web control panel, start using software configuration management like Puppet, Chef, Ansible etc, and keep your playbook/recipies/whatevers in a Git repository
15:09<SSLClient>Since I broke mine though, how would I "See <free whcp>"?
15:10<Ganneff>oh yes, from a "simple to use even for beginners" interface to puppet, thats a step...
15:10<Ganneff>SSLClient: /msg dpkg $TEXT
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15:26<ahmett>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
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15:27<SSLClient>So from what I can tell these whcp's don't do all that webmin does. So while I'm sure that makes them more "secure", webmin is still all that meets my needs. And I do recognize that webmin can be dangerous...but since I use it tunneled, it is no more dangerous than SSH.
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15:52<thieh>I need some help regarding problems of grub-mkconfig on debian kfreebsd: It gives me "error: not a correct XFS inode" when I have no XFS filesystems on any of the Drives.
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16:01<crimsoncrow>hello?
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16:01<miller>whazzup
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16:06<thieh>Question: Is there a way to alter the repo list during install? If so, how?
16:06<centrx>thieh, Switch to console with Alt-F2 and edit /etc/apt/sources.list
16:07<centrx>thieh, Also I think there are some questions as part of the install process to choose a mirror, you should probably stick with that
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16:09<thieh>centrx: I am using a fixed mirror, but I would like to install testing with a stable install cd (upgrade from stable is rather painful as the grub is having hiccups with my kfreebsd install)
16:09<thieh>so I was wondering whether I can change it somewhere
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16:10<centrx>thieh, Why can't you finish a minimal base install of stable and upgrade after that?
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16:11<thieh>centrx: grub-mkconfig is giving me hiccups ("error: not a correct XFS inode" even I have no XFS devices)
16:11<thieh>centrx: I am trying to avoid stuffs that require me to do grub-mkconfig
16:12<centrx>thieh, Normally the upgrade from stable to testing is fairly seamless and does not have a problem with grub-mkconfig
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16:12<centrx>thieh, If there is a bug in testing at the moment with grub-mkconfig, it will not make a difference whether you upgrade to testing during the install or after
16:12<centrx>thieh, The approved method that works well is to finish a minimal base install of stable first, before upgrading to testing
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16:13<thieh>centrx: somehow the mkconfig during the install works, I am trying to see if it works around the problem. I think this is a problem specific to debian-kfreebsd at least for me
16:14<centrx>thieh, Right, but it may work because it is the version in stable, not because it is done at that particular time
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16:15<thieh>centrx: true, but the box is at grub prompt in either case so may as well try to see if something else would work
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17:49<fantasma>hello peoples
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17:50<rryoumaa>is there any reason to have "deb-src http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main" in /etc/apt/source.list? i'm unlikely to compile. does removing that line speed up aptitude?
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17:50<abrotman>rryoumaa: you can comment it out for now .. yes
17:50<abrotman>.wun 9
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17:51<rryoumaa>the only reason i would compile is if it is not available as binary, i think
17:51<rryoumaa>but i presume that never happens for that repo
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19:32<duglas>Yesterday I installed PulseAudio, but PulseAudio didnt find my microphone, its in the webcam. How do I tell Pulse where my mic is?
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20:52<YourAnonymousFriend>anyone online?
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20:52<euphoria>yep
20:52<euphoria>whoops, too late lol
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21:41<Phyxius>I just updated to the latest zfsonlinux packages (did dist-upgrade). It clobbered my /boot, so I chrooted in and reinstalled the kernel and GRUB, but my ZFS mirror pool wont auto mount. Every time the computer boots I have to zpool import. Can anyone recommend how to fix this?
21:42<Phyxius>Clarification - not blaming zfsonlinux for clobbering the /boot, it wasn't the only upgrade
21:42<rryoumaa>can you reinstall it?
21:42<Phyxius>reinstall zfs? or the OS?
21:43<Phyxius>already reinstalled zfs
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21:52<Phyxius>fixed it: told zfs (via /etc/defaults/zfs) to use the zpool cache file instead of mounting by disk id
21:52<Phyxius>was a guess; don't know why it owrks
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21:57<keep>eai
21:57<keep>alguem online
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22:32<brian>good evening all
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22:33<brian>Is anyone currently present that can help with a stupid question revolving around xstart/xinit?
22:34<abrotman>just ask
22:34<SamB>wow, I didn't know there was anyone else left who preferred that over *dm
22:35<brian>I thought I could alt+cntl+F6, login, type xinit openbox-session to start a new session but I'm getting display in use...but when just typing xstart kde will start (or whatever last dm was)
22:35<brian>My foo is not good enough at this point
22:35<brian>I'm sure it's a ID-10-T user error, but I'm just not googling the right thing.
22:36<brian>SamB: it may be ignorance on my part - still a linux newb overall
22:36<abrotman>you mean 'startx' ?
22:36<brian>yes
22:37<brian>short story is when kid is on playing games (via KDE) I want to open a session on another tty (usually openbox), and if my last session was openbox great, but if it was kde then I'm in it.
22:37<brian>I don't know enough about the session start-up stuff to know how to do it manually (yet)
22:37<brian>I know I can use KDE 'switch session' but I want to know how to do it without KDE help
22:38<brian>get 'a *little* closer to the metal'
22:38<brian>and be less of a newb
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22:38<SamB>brian: I think you have to supply a display number if you call xinit yourself
22:39<brian>Let me try, betting it will still say 'display:0 in use' - standby
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22:39<SamB>like, "xinit openbox-session -- :1" might work?
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22:43<brian>get "ERROR: openbox-xdg-autostart requires PyXDG to be installed" - same error I've been getting so far with other guesses
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22:45<SamB>sounds like someone left out some Depends: somehow ...
22:46<SamB>brian: "apt-get install python-xdg" might help with that
22:46<brian>I would suspect that would cause a problem though with a normal openbox session though right?
22:47<brian>You get the WM open with this and a right-click menu, but trying to execute anything just generates another message.
22:47<brian>I feel like I just need to figure out how KDE starts a new session. I research that magic cookie stuff a bit but that was a rabbit hole
22:48<brian>researched that is...late sorry
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22:49<brian>And I never noticed this before, but something do seem to work from the right-click openbox menu, just not 'terminal which I was trying'
22:50<brian>xclock, Konquer (bleh), a few others. Many things just flash a window and then close.
22:50<brian>Thinking maybe I need to hop over to the KDE forum and ask what that session manager is doing under the covers when it starts a new session
22:50<brian>Appreciate your help SamB
22:51<SamB>no problem
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