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---Logopened Mon Aug 04 00:00:59 2014
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00:38<BlackBird3733>any idea why in virtual box my mouse and keyboard wont work in my working vm?
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00:47<rryoumaa>BlackBird3733: i found that too, but it improved upon a recent update. there is a backport btw.
00:47<rryoumaa>(but i don't know how secure the backport is)
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00:50<supaplex_>dpkg: printk
00:50<dpkg>well, printk is see docs for <sysctl> and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel)
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01:26<mattcen>3.14 from wheezy-backports seems to have an undeclared dependency on perl-modules for File/stat.pm. Anybody have any idea why? Error here: http://paste.debian.net/113501/
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01:31<jm_>what happens if you run /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64.postinst --configure
01:32<jm_>also, why is it saying this? Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)
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01:36<uso>mattcen: also your system seems not to be up-to-date when a kernel installation triggers a linux-base update (not sure if that would help for this problem)
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01:38<mattcen>jm_: It's a clean debootsrap
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01:40<jm_>mattcen: didn't you run "chroot desktop apt-get install linux-image-amd64 -t wheezy-backports"?
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01:43<mattcen>Yes. I've a script that performs the debootstrap and then installs some extra stuff, including that apt-get install.
01:45<jm_>yeah and when doing that make sure environment for apt-get is sane
01:45<jm_>!fixmbr
01:45<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
01:45<jm_>look at that for hints
01:45<mattcen>jm_: This exact same script worked fine last week.
01:45<mattcen>*Today* with a newer kernel, it's broken.
01:46<jm_>mattcen: yeah like I said, try fixing the above and then run it manually
01:46<twb>The same script worked two weeks ago when linux-image-amd64 in wheezy-backports was installing linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 Version: 3.14.12-1~bpo70+1
01:46<jm_>twb: do you still have it so we could compare postinst scripts?
01:46<twb>Yes
01:46*twb digs it out
01:47<twb>jm_: at first glance it feels like linux-image-3.14 has added an undeclared dependency on perl-modules (which is Priority: standard, so could have happened without many people noticing)
01:47<twb>(For File/stat.pm, if that wasn't obvious already)
01:48*jm_ slaps himself. i looked at the old postinst :)
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01:48<jm_>yeah they added File::stat dependency
01:49<twb>http://sprunge.us/MHgF is the postinst from a working one built on 2014-07-17
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01:49<twb>OK so I can fix the immediate issue by explicitly installing perl-modules when I install the kernel (rather than later -- other stuff would surely pull it in).
01:50<jm_>yeah and in new one they added use File::stat; as mattcen said
01:50<twb>But against which package do I report a bug to add Depends: perl-modules
01:50<jm_>this exactl kernel package?
01:51<twb>OK. Wasn't sure if it was a bit weird for kernels, because they have changing names and stuff
01:51<jm_>the backports page says to use the debian-backports mailing list
01:52<jm_>quick look at archives on the web suggests no-one reported it yet
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01:53<twb>Can I use reportbug as well, or will that make the kernel/bpo people grumpy? I guess best would be to just use reportbug and CC the bpo ML
01:53*twb looks up backports page on wiki.d.o
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01:53<twb>https://wiki.debian.org/Backports#Reporting_bugs
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02:03<zarchne_>this (0.11 does seem better)
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02:06<twb>jm_: oh, er, PS: thanks
02:07<jm_>twb: heh no problem
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04:36<Guest4765>anyone here?
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04:37<pabs>--- anyone :No such nick/channel
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04:37<us`0gb>Yay, I'm back! The network has been keeping me out. Too many connections coming from my Tor exit node, it said.
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04:38<Guest4765>..
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04:38<Guest4765>exit
04:39<LocutusOfBorg1>Guest4765, do you want to quit from the chan?
04:39<LocutusOfBorg1>you need to type /part
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04:39<Guest4765> I don't know how to use it
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04:43<_hoho>hi
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05:13<us`0gb>Does anyone know any good free RPGs or platformers for Debian that they would recommend?
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05:16<mpourhadi>us`0gb, https://appdb.winehq.org/ check this out
05:16<twb>aptitude search '?tag(RPG)'
05:16<twb>crawl is good, but it's roguelike which I wouldn't call an RPG
05:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 642] by debhelper
05:17<us`0gb>I didn't realize Aptitude had tags. Sweet! As for Wine, that's usually for nonfree games, right? If it's free, there's usually a port.
05:17<twb>The free RPGs I've seen tend to be pretty low quality. There are lots of kinda-not-really legal abandonware RPGs from old consoles.
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05:17<twb>e.g. SNES ROMs for Mother 2, Seiken Densetsu, Crono Trigger
05:18<twb>it has tags iff you apt-get install debtags
05:18<us`0gb>I feel kind of dirty when I play old console games though.
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05:19<twb>There's also lots of gratis interactive fiction on ifarchive.org, and I guess there are those MUD things
05:20<us`0gb>Gratis and free? Or just gratis?
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05:20<us`0gb>Oh, wait. It's in-browser. I thought it was downloads.
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05:22<us`0gb>Okay, I'm confused. The wording makes this seem like it is the game itself, but I think I'm just fumbling around the site, and that it was dressed up to be "more fun".
05:24<twb>Er, no, ifarchive mostly hosts story files, which you play with a VM runtime
05:24<twb>Just gratis
05:25<twb>http://ifarchive.org/misc/license.html
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05:26<pabs3>us`0gb: http://blends.debian.org/games/tasks/rpg
05:26<pabs3>http://blends.debian.org/games/tasks/platform
05:27<pabs3>there are more though, these are curated lists
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05:43<mpourhadi>us`0gb, what is tags?
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05:51<pabs3>!debtags
05:51<dpkg>i heard debtags is a way of categorising packages with tags (facets) that describe how a package can be used, what data it can read/write, what interfaces it has etc. This adds another dimension to package searching. Install the debtags package, then search either using "debtags" or "aptitude". Search (or add new tags) at http://debtags.debian.net/ . See also http://wiki.debian.org/Debtags or ask me about <aptitude search>.
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05:51<pabs3>mpourhadi: ^
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05:54<mpourhadi>pabs, i thought it was a game
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05:57<pabs>nope
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05:59<babilen>That would be "debtag" (or "werewolf") and is being played at DC
06:01*pabs never heard "werewolf" referred to as "debtag"...
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06:03<babilen>pabs: I just made that up ...
06:03<pabs>oh :)
06:04<babilen>pabs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(game)
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06:07<themill>it's called tip, not tag. Silly americans.
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06:07<babilen>themill: I know, but that ruins my (sad attempt at a) joke
06:07<themill>;)
06:08<themill>ITP: debtip -- next gen tagging with correct spelling
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07:09<BluesKaj>Howdy all
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09:08<gappuser>hi, im trying to check whether the tomcat6 user can write a file to a directory
09:09<gappuser>i try the following: sudo -u tomcat6 vi /home/somedir/blabla.txt
09:10<gappuser>i put user tomcat6 in a group and gave this group permission on "somedir"
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09:11<gappuser>now I get the message: "sorry, user gappuser is not allowed to execute /usr/bin/vi as tomcat6 on apache-system
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09:11<gappuser>how would I be able to test whether some user (in this case tomcat6) can create a file?
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09:12<alumno>cejas mercedes ximena
09:12<SynrGy>become root first. the message is quite specific. you, gappuser, don't have permission to become tomcat6
09:13<SynrGy>you may have permission to become root, but that's something else :)
09:13<gappuser>ok.. so I need to do it in some other way
09:14<SynrGy>why? you're testing if tomcat6 can write ...
09:14<foffa>what is that for unavailable icon from user menu
09:14<gappuser>ideally I would like to change to user tomcat6
09:14<SynrGy>so, logically, you first become root *so that* you can become tomcat6
09:14<SynrGy>it's still testing what you wanted to test.
09:15<gappuser>ok, so as root, I should be able to change to tomcat6?
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09:15<SynrGy>yes. that sudo command should work as you typed it above
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09:17<gappuser>ok, so I will first change to root, and then try to run the command to check it
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09:17<gappuser>thank you
09:18<SynrGy>np
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09:26<gappuser>i tried it now, it works, thanks again.
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10:39<thieh>Question: is netboot (~40MB cd) for the stable/wheezy version of debian suppose to exist, or is that just for testing/jessie?
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10:41<magnetophon>thieh: I'm pretty sure I've used that in the past.
10:42<magnetophon>thieh: can't you find it, or waht?
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10:42<dvs>thieh: I think that's called the business card ISO and I don't see it for Debian 7.
10:43<dvs>The netinst iso is about 222MB
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10:46<garbage1>hello everyone ...i am a new linux user migrating from windows me...ok do i need drivers on linux like in windows?ty
10:46<garbage1>on*
10:47<magnetophon>garbage1: normally you don't
10:47<magnetophon>garbage1: unless you have too new HW or are just unlucky
10:47<garbage1>i saw that linux uses its own drivers
10:48<garbage1>well
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10:48<magnetophon>garbage1: it does, but they are usually included and you don't need to hunt for them
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10:48<garbage1>i kinda see that my only problem so far is my wifi
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10:48<garbage1>i mean the signal isnt too strong
10:49<garbage1>like it used to be in win
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10:50<magnetophon>garbage1: so you have a working system already?
10:50<garbage1>yes
10:50<garbage1>i saw tutorials and i learned some stuff before i installed
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10:50<magnetophon>garbage1: and the wifi is slower, or are you just looking at the number of bars in the visual indicator?
10:50<garbage1>the number of bars
10:50<foffa>where to get a software center ?
10:52<garbage1>its not slower at all
10:53<garbage1>i just noticed that the number of bars are not full even when i am close to the router.
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10:54<magnetophon>garbage1: I guess that answers your question, right? Maybe a more honest or at least more humble indication of the signal strenght...
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10:54<garbage1>so this has nothing to do with my speed
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10:56<magnetophon>foffa: you might want to look at Synaptic, though if you are lookingfor an alternative to that: thay are available too
10:56<garbage1>he left
10:57<garbage1>i kinda like this os anyway
10:57<magnetophon>garbage1: we do too :)
10:57<garbage1>i choosed that cause i saw it has no errors
10:57<garbage1>like crashing
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10:58<garbage1>i saw other linux distros like ubuntu but i didnt like unity it is too bad..and i heard that it hogs up your cpu ..not for me....
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10:59<magnetophon>garbage1: yup, that's the compromise of debian stable: mega reliable, but a bit older SW. Also by default not a lot of BS running
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10:59<garbage1>i dont do a lot of stuff with the pc only photo and video editing and some browsing.. i just wanted an os that is fast and secure..i found it
11:00<garbage1>what is bs?
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11:05<garbage1>i will go and learn some stuff about this os ... i dont want to be an expert but to have some knowledges..anyway bb
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11:07<diega>hi ppl, I'm on Testing and with the recent bluez5 upgrade I lose the option for changing my BT headset mode from A2DP to HSP/HFP so I can use the microphone. Reading the changelog for Bluez 5.x I figure out that this is a feature (?) http://www.bluez.org/release-of-bluez-5-0/ Does anybody know how can I use my bt headset for calls again?
11:07<Maulkin>diega: try #debian-next
11:07<diega>Maulkin, tnx I'll
11:08<Maulkin>But probably in ~10 days or so?
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12:04<root>hi
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12:22<unclescratchie>install ubuntu on a laptop but failed to install GRUB and will not boot from hard drive, please help
12:23<oldlaptop>!ubuntuirc
12:23<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
12:23<oldlaptop>we cannot help you here
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12:33<KickDown>Hello. Can somebody help me howto encrypt one file in debian! I need to encrypt my bookmarks in Iceweasel! I don't know how to write right path in crypsetup! Thanks!!
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12:37<ompaul> KickDown gpg --symmetric my-file.txt
12:38<ompaul>KickDown: later gpg --decrypt my-file.gpg
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12:38<ompaul>KickDown: noted problem is forgetting the pass phrase
12:39<ompaul>KickDown: at that point you lose it, also know that any router on a network that you traverse might hang onto the list
12:39<ompaul>so it depends on who, what, where you are defending
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12:41<KickDown>If somebody gets my PC I want he saw blank bookmarks in browser!
12:42<ompaul>that does not defend against your history
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12:43<KickDown>history can be off!
12:43<ompaul>can ... for your case must be
12:44<ompaul>KickDown: learn about in private browsing and hang onto a list of links in an encrypted list if you think it is valuable. I would point out that anyone can get the data out of you. The percussive persuasion of a lump of lead in a sock.
12:46<trico>try setting up cryptsetup or ecryptfs if you need to defend against offline attacks
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12:47<KickDown>i am trying crypsetup. got manuals. but there desribes how to encrypt volume, not file! I can't write the right path to my file!
12:48<KickDown># cryptsetup create sda2_crypt /dev/sda2
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12:48<oldlaptop>You've already been told how to encrypt one file
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12:50<oldlaptop>note however that iceweasel isn't going to be able to read those bookmarks anymore
12:51<oldlaptop>(i.e. it doesn't have some nice user-friendly dialog box to decrypt them with)
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12:51*ompaul feels that the threat is not understood
12:51<ompaul>dns logging would suffice
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12:52<ompaul>ahh what a trail we start to leave when first we practice to deceive
12:53<oldlaptop>KickDown: what exactly are you trying to do? Through various and devious means people can find out what websites you visit
12:53<oldlaptop>if you're hiding bookmarks from your little sister, on the other hand, you don't have to worry about that
12:54<oldlaptop>rot13 would suffice for that
12:54<oldlaptop>(depending on the little sister anyway)
12:55<aspis_>is there a lounge group for Debian?
12:55<Maulkin>A lounge group?
12:56<ompaul>aspis_: there is a #debian-offtopic
12:56<aspis_>just a OffTopic group?
12:56<aspis_>right
12:56<ompaul>Maulkin: I'm almost afraid to address you ;-)
12:56*ompaul hides
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12:57<KickDown>I windows I used program TrueCrypt with portable browser. In startup I just load encrypted container with browser. And now I just want to encrypt my bookmarks. Encrypt when befor halt and decrypt with start!
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12:58<ggonga>oompaul: what are you and kickdown talking about? missed the beginning
12:59<ompaul>ggonga: we defeated the problem but he (I assume) is making more of it
12:59<ggonga>just encrypting bookmarks?
12:59<ompaul>basically but we don't actually know the real problem / objective so we can't really help
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13:00<oldlaptop>KickDown: What is your broader objectice? *Why* do you want to encrypt your bookmarks?
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13:02<KickDown>if somebody gets PC he couldn't even suggest about my hobbies etc.. Sorry for my english
13:02<KickDown>I have a lot of bookmarks!
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13:03<ompaul>so make an encypted file which is your container for a VM and encrypt that
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13:03<ompaul>you obviously perceive a higher threat today than a week ago
13:04<trico>luks isnt used to encrypt files one by one, that's what gpg is for. luks is for entire drives. however, gpg isnt the best solution for encrypting bookmarks. you would have to decrypt it everytime you want to browse the web and reencrypt when you are done. the best thing to do is to set up ecryptfs
13:05<oldlaptop>KickDown: You probably are better off encrypting your whole disk, if that's how you feel
13:06<trico>or luks if you need to encrypt the full drive. safer, but best done during install
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13:07<KickDown>Is full encryption affects HDD or somethink else?
13:08<oldlaptop>KickDown: Full encryption covers *everything* in a block device; hard drives and partitions are both represented as block devices
13:08<oldlaptop>you most probably just want to encrypt the partition containing /home
13:09<jmcnaught>and swap
13:09<oldlaptop>Oh yes
13:09<oldlaptop>and swap
13:09<oldlaptop>You *cannot* encrypt an entire debian system though, to my knowledge
13:10<jmcnaught>on my laptop everything is encrypted except for /boot
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13:14<ggonga>jmcnaught: how did you do this? one partition for boot and the rest is encryptef?
13:14<KickDown>I mean can HDD be deteriorate by frequently used encrypted volumes. I mean On-the-fly encryption! Or LUKS dosn't refer it?
13:15<jmcnaught>ggonga: i did it with the debian-installer. /boot is a primary partition, everything else is in an LVM volume group. The VG is on a partition that is encrypted with dm-crypt
13:16<oldlaptop>KickDown: HDDs deteriorate no matter what you do ;)
13:16<oldlaptop>encryption shouldn't significantly accelerate that process
13:17<ggonga>jmcnaught: cool, i should try this on my next installation
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13:23<KickDown>Thanks for help! It was my first IRC! I'll be back..
13:23<trico>encryption wont shorten your drives lifespan, though ssd performance may be affected if you disable trim
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13:32<oldlaptop>KickDown: incidentally, on the topic of deteriorating HDDs: back up anything you care about.
13:32<oldlaptop>never trust an HDD, ever
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13:57<trico>does anyone know what mdev in the output of ping means? is that mean deviation?
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13:59<gsb>trico: mean deviation?
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14:00<uso>trico: yes (at least a kind of, not sure about the exact calculation)
14:01<alessandro_>\server irc.oltreirc.org
14:02<trico>just guessing, i dont know what else it could stand for
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14:10<sime>Hi, My laptop is connected to my Lan via ethernet and internet via wifi, how can i specify rdesktop to use ethernet and other to use wifi?
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14:16<uso>sime: normally you don't need to, your system should do the routing automatically, if it does not your network is not set up properly, but without more information about your network we can't help you there
14:18<uso>sime: (I assume you want to access a host on your LAN with rdesktop)
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14:18<sime>yes, rdesktop via eth0, the rest via wlan0
14:19<sime>eth0 is my entreprise Lan, wich give a very slow internet connection, wlan0 i my shared LTE from my ipad
14:20<sime>it seems that the system wants to use the first interface that i put up
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14:21<uso>sime: do you have a fixed IP address on your LAN?
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14:21<sime>yes
14:22<uso>sime: what route do you set on your LAN interface? a network route or a default route?
14:23<sime>seems to be default
14:23<sime>http://paste.debian.net/113649/
14:23<uso>sime: that's the problem, you shouldn't set a default route there, set a route for the LAN addresses only
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14:25<uso>sime: and then a default route for the wlan interface, so all addresses on the LAN will be routed to the LAN (via the network route on eth0) and anything else will be routed via the default route (on wlan0)
14:26<sime>ok, i'll try to open wifi first, (then it should be default) then add a route as this route add -net 192.168.1.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev eth0
14:26<sime>i'll be back in a few lol
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14:30<ThePerfectionist>It's over 9000!!! I think that I lost my Ipod!!!
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14:38<sime_>uso, thanks!
14:38<sime_>i had to : route add default gw 172.20.10.1 wlan0
14:38<sime_>the : route del default gw 192.168.1.1 eth0
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14:40<uso>sime_: yes, maybe the 172.. route is needed for the intermediate network, but you should also set a default route somewhere to the wlan0 interface, or do you access the internet only through a proxy?
14:41<uso>but when it work (also the internet access) don't touch it :P
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14:42<uso>sime_: oops, nevermind, I cannot read :)
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14:46<sime_>fisrt time i use the route commande since 2.2 ipchains lol
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14:46<closingin>Hi all. Could someone help on getting the installer work when i'm using live debian ?
14:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 654] by debhelper
14:47<closingin>It shows up with "starting installer" on the task bar, then it goes away, and nothing.
14:47<closingin>By the way, i'm booting with a multiboot system created with syslinux, so files aren't at root. Maybe i miss a kernel parameter ?
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16:16<patzak>hi all, i'm experiencing a huge delay when shutting down with systemd. after some tests i can say almost for sure that it's happening only when the systems shuts down with one or more filesystems still mounted. if anyone could point me in the right direction to see what's going on it's really appreciated.
16:18<patzak>what i see on the tty while waiting is "a stop job is running for session 1 of user $USER"
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16:19<ox4h4x>ls
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17:11<Tekuru>Hi
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17:12<Tekuru>There is an italian IRC for debian support?
17:12<oldlaptop>do you have a question?
17:12<oldlaptop>!it
17:12<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
17:12<Tekuru>Thanks
17:13<oldlaptop>You can ask here as well, but naturally the language barrier may be a problem
17:13<oldlaptop>still going to be more people
17:13<Tekuru>yes, i speak english but i'm not so good
17:13<Tekuru>well i prefer to talk in italian IRC
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17:16<Tekuru>uhm
17:16<Tekuru>what build do you recommend?
17:16<Tekuru>i will use debian on PC
17:16<Tekuru>sorry for the noob question but i never used debian
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17:19<oldlaptop>If you have a good Internet connection, you should probably get the netinst ISO image for your architecture
17:19<oldlaptop>on a commodity PC these days, you probably want the amd64 architecture
17:20<Tekuru>ehm, i'm from italy
17:20<oldlaptop>on an older machine you will want the i386 architecture
17:20<Tekuru>connection are shit
17:20<Tekuru>yes i have amd64
17:20<Tekuru>the version 7.6 are good?
17:21<oldlaptop>if your connection is *really* poor you may consider ordering a full DVD set
17:21<oldlaptop>7.6 is the latest stable release, so yes :)
17:21<oldlaptop>7.x are all very similar; the only differences between 7.0 and 7.6 are security and release-critical bug fixes
17:21<Tekuru>my internet connection is 10 megabit
17:22<oldlaptop>Netinst will be fine then
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17:22<oldlaptop>unless that connection goes down every ten minutes or something like that
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17:23<oldlaptop>if you happen to have a 7.0 disk, for instance, you don't need to bother downloading/ordering a new one
17:23<Tekuru>for the iso download
17:23<Tekuru>complete iso
17:23<Tekuru>i found this link:
17:23<oldlaptop>The complete Debian DVD set is something like 30 DVDs
17:23<Tekuru>wait
17:23<oldlaptop>you do *not* need to download all that!
17:23<Tekuru>oh crap
17:24<oldlaptop>The netinst disc is a 200MB or so CD image
17:24<oldlaptop>it contains enough for a basic command-line system, and downloads other stuff at install time
17:24<oldlaptop>This will obviously save you from downloading a lot of stuff you won't use!
17:25<Tekuru>okok thanks
17:25<Tekuru>i go now, bye bye! thanks
17:25<oldlaptop>the image linked on the debian.org front page is a reasonable choice
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17:25<oldlaptop>Netinst image for both i386 and amd64
17:25<oldlaptop>drat
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17:37<rryoumaa>i tried a few games on debian, but many of them come up as a small window. how do i make them full screen? examples are adonthell-data and ardentryst. there is nothing in the docs or man pages.
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17:41<oldlaptop>you'll have better luck asking the developer and/or maintainer of the individual game
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18:06<rryoumaa>hmm. i hardly want to spam somebody's email with a support question. did not find any support forums, channels, or email lists. thought there might be a generic way to make a window fullscreen or something. thanks.
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18:09<oldlaptop>some WMs will make a windows fullscreen for you, see your WM's documentation
18:09<oldlaptop>won't raise the games resolution or anything
18:10<rryoumaa>oldlaptop: they would do this with those games? currently fluxbox.
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18:12<abrotman>rryoumaa: read the man page to start .. some have a --fullscreen
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18:19<rryoumaa>oldlaptop: well, nothing i try works there, either in fluxbox or using the game's controls. they both have fullscreen options but ignore them. that's as far as i will go on this. thanks.
18:19<olivier>Hi all
18:19<olivier>I just entered here to know if I can get assistance in a apt-get issue. Is this the right place to ask for suppo
18:20<olivier>support?
18:20<mtn>olivier: if you are using debian, yes it is
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18:21<olivier>mtn: thanks... well does it work for kubuntu? My issue is with apt-get and dpkg..
18:21<mtn>!ubuntu
18:21<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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18:22<olivier>but can someone tell me how to fix a broken apt database? I have a borked package that impeach me of using any dpkg or apt command.
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18:23<mtn>olivier: as I have said, go to the correct channel for support with your os
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18:25<oldlaptop>olivier: we don't know what foul things ubuntu/kubuntu/whatever did to APT
18:25<oldlaptop>if we did we'd be in those channels
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18:29<olivier>well, I certailny would have appreciated to get help from you guys on how to get free from a deadlock in apt, but thanks anyway..
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18:31<Guest4827>ola k asen+
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18:32<oldlaptop>!next
18:32<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
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18:32<abrotman>olivier: ask #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net .. I'm not sure why you'd ask here
18:32<Guest4827>estoy provando esto
18:34<Brigo>!es
18:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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18:37<olivier>abrotman: because it is an apt-get issue in a deadlock situation: no way to repair/install a borked package and no way to remove the borked package. I thought apt was a debian tool, supposedly robust.
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18:40<pedrucho>hello fellows form #debian , can you help me with something? i need a repo with flashplayer, so i can watch videos on you tube
18:40<mtn>pedrucho: did you look in synaptic, your package manager?
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18:41<pedrucho>tn, yes, but i need to add a repo
18:42<mtn>pedrucho: no you don't
18:42<pedrucho>ive dont apt-cache search flash plugin, and nothing show up
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18:43<mtn>pedrucho: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/web/flashplugin-nonfree
18:43<mtn>pedrucho: https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
18:44<pedrucho>ty
18:44<pedrucho>should i type "deb" at the beggining?
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18:45<SynrGy>pedrucho: neither of those are repo addresses.
18:45<pedrucho>well... then?
18:45<mtn>sigh
18:46*mtn thinks reading is a lost art
18:46<igmp>let's try the hard method
18:46<mtn>pedrucho: like I said, you do not need to add a repo
18:46<abrotman>olivier: Ask #kubuntu on irc.freenode.net .. This channel only supports Debian
18:46<pedrucho>can you guide me a little bit on instructions, ill install it your way
18:47<pedrucho>mtnÇ
18:47<igmp>pedrucho: can you paste the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list on http://paste.debian.net/
18:47<pedrucho>ofcourse
18:51<pedrucho>igmp http://paste.debian.net/113698/
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18:52<mtn>pedrucho: should have read the wiki link I sent you. you would have it installed by now ;)
18:52<igmp>line 5 should be like this: deb http://ftp.pt.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib
18:53<abrotman>ugh, what?
18:53<SynrGy>except not like that
18:53<pedrucho>mtn, let me check on that
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18:54<igmp>this is just to add the contrib section
18:54<pedrucho>https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
18:54<igmp>then you need to do an apt-get update
18:54<mtn>pedrucho: we don't need the link
18:55<igmp>and finally: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
18:56<igmp>and I hope this still works because you're on squeeze and I don't know this repository
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18:56<SynrGy>indeed
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18:57<SynrGy>no guarantee the downloader will work at all
18:57<pedrucho>E: Package 'flashplugin-nonfree' has no installation candidate
18:57<abrotman>thought it was in non-free in squeeze/
18:57<abrotman>?
18:57<SynrGy>,v flashplugin-nonfree
18:57<judd>Package: flashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2; jessie/contrib: 1:3.5; sid/contrib: 1:3.5
18:57<abrotman>no squeeze there
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18:58<pedrucho>im using an old version of debian
18:58<abrotman>we can see that
18:58<SynrGy>we know
18:58<abrotman>heh, apparently removed from squeeze
18:58<SynrGy>yep
18:58<SynrGy>pedrucho: you are unsupported for flash player. sorry
18:58<abrotman>https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=flashplugin-nonfree
18:59<SynrGy>upgrade to wheezy, or learn to do without flashplayer
18:59<abrotman>or try gnash
18:59<SynrGy>or that
18:59<abrotman>depends what you need flash for
18:59<pedrucho>SynrG, you liyng
18:59<pedrucho>your
18:59<mtn>pedrucho: sorry about that, I thought it was still in squeeze
18:59<igmp>me too
18:59<SynrGy>pedrucho: oh, am i? evidence of my deceit?
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19:00<pedrucho>how can i check wich version of debian m using
19:00<pedrucho>im am using
19:00<SynrGy>pedrucho: you're on squeeze. we've established that.
19:00<SynrGy>pedrucho: cat /etc/debian_version
19:01<pedrucho>let me do a web search
19:01<SynrGy>or execute 'lsb_release -a'
19:01<SynrGy>pedrucho: flashplayer *was* formerly supported on squeeze ...
19:02<SynrGy>pedrucho: pulling up out-of-date evidence on the web isn't going to help your case. :p
19:02<mtn>pedrucho: you really should update to wheezy
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19:03<igmp>unlike ubuntu updating your system from oldstable to stable doesn't break, so it's quite safe
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19:07<SynrGy>pedrucho: if you had heard squeeze has LTS now and therefore you don't need to upgrade, I'm afraid you've misunderstood what LTS is really for.
19:08<SynrGy>it's unlikely you'll have a good desktop experience on squeeze, as the web increasingly moves off of older technologies and onto new, leaving you behind.
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19:33<InevBetrayal>Hello, i've asked in #debian-live but got no answer so i thought of asking here. Is there a way to change a debian-live boot options while the system is running?
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19:34<Brigo>InevBetrayal, for example?
19:34<canaima>hola
19:34<Brigo>!es
19:34<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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19:34<InevBetrayal>Brigo: I want to configure a static IP for the machine
19:36<Brigo>InevBetrayal, you can use ifconfig command: ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.1 up, for example
19:37<InevBetrayal>Brigo, and that will persist through rebooting? i have it running with DHCP so i can connect to it, but i read that for the static ip to work it has to be done at boot option
19:39<Brigo>InevBetrayal, no,it will not persist and no, you do not need to select the static ip on boot, you can change it when you want.
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19:40<InevBetrayal>Brigo, my goal is to have the same IP even in the event of a reboot though
19:40<Brigo>But a live system is not intended to work with static ips, it was made to fit in many networks as possible.
19:40<Brigo>InevBetrayal, are you using network-manager ?
19:41<InevBetrayal>I am not
19:41<InevBetrayal>I tried changing the /etc/network/interfaces file, but it stayed the same
19:42<jmcnaught>InevBetrayal: Debian Live images have a persistence feature: http://live.debian.net/manual/stable/html/live-manual/customizing-run-time-behaviours.en.html#529 but you could also maybe configure your router to always give that MAC address the same IP address (which is outside the scope of this channel)
19:43<InevBetrayal>jmcnaught: i am running the live image with persistence though. i'll look into the router way, thanks for the suggestion
19:44<jmcnaught>InevBetrayal: you can also install Debian to a USB stick or external hard drive the same way you'd install it normally, as an alternative to using the Live image all the time
19:44<manuel>Installed debian yesterday. After what seems like X minutes, my desktop goes into sleep mode or hibernate or something where the screens shut off and I lose connection although I'm active on the desktop up until that point
19:45<manuel>Any tips? T_T
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19:52<manuel>-gellegbs-, was that to me?
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19:52<manuel>-gellegbs-, was that to me?
19:53<gellegbs>yes
19:55<manuel>gellegbs, It's just an hp desktop
19:55<manuel>nothing too special
19:55<gellegbs>oh ok, nvm then ^^
19:56<manuel>I have it connected to a TS server to see if it drops the connection and it does. The weird thing is I can still ssh into it after and shut it down
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19:58<dpasqualin>Hello guys. I'm facing a weird problem with a package here. Every time I run apt-get dist-upgrade it asks to upgrade the package again.. to the same version. Has anyone ever seen this?
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19:58<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell dpasqualin about basic apt troubleshooting
19:59<dpasqualin>That would be nice, thank you :)
20:00<retrospectacus>the robot sent you a private message
20:00<dpasqualin>Got it.
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21:05<us`0gb>My sister is on Windows, but she's switching to Debian. Does anyone know how to tell from Windows if the machine is 32 bit or 64 bit so we can download the correct Debian ISO?
21:06<themill>Is it an ancient machine?
21:06<us`0gb>Never mind. They seem to be on the same ISO.
21:06<us`0gb>I don't know how old the machine is.
21:06<us`0gb>It's probably newer than mine, but mine is 32 bit.
21:06<dvs>us`0gb: Yeah, you can use the multiarch iso
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21:08<us`0gb>Oh, wait. I forgot the main installer installed GNOME, so we need the live Xfce one, which isn't multiarch.
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21:10<dvs>us`0gb: It's best to find out what CPU it has then
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21:11<zarchne>Isn't there a system info panel in the control panel, us`0gb ?
21:11<us`0gb>zarchne: The system info only states the OS architecture, but not the CPU architecture.
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21:12<ecc>us`0gb: you can use whatever the current equivalent of the "device manager" is to navigate to the CPU and get its properties
21:13<dvs>us`0gb: the computer info panel should tell you what CPU it is.
21:13<us`0gb>dvs: It tells me the speed of the processor, but not its architecture.
21:13<us`0gb>ecc: Alright, I'll look for the device manager.
21:15<abrotman>!lm
21:15<dpkg>lm is, like, "long mode" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_mode): grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo
21:15<dvs>from Windows
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21:15<oldlaptop>[21:08:20] <us`0gb> Oh, wait. I forgot the main installer installed GNOME, so we need the live Xfce one, which isn't multiarch.
21:15<oldlaptop>You don't need that
21:16<oldlaptop>under "Advanced options" in the normal netinst boot menu you can find alternate DEs
21:16<oldlaptop>yes, that's stupid
21:17<us`0gb>When I installed it on my laptop, it didn't have that option. Then again, I had to boot it abnormally due to my nonstandard BIOS. I'll try it on hers, as she has a normal BIOS.
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21:18<oldlaptop>It's an option in the syslinux menu, under 'advanced' or similar
21:20<us`0gb>Yeah, I didn't even have that menu.
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21:21<us`0gb>It skipped right to localization selection.
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21:24<oldlaptop>then you booted without syslinux (you said you pulled some shenanigans...)
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21:26<wijnen>I build a package with a pure Python module and I need it to work on a system that has Python2.6 installed. This is fine for the module, but when using Build-Depends: python-all and XS-Python-Version: all, the resulting dependency is python (>> 2.7). This is the case even when I say XS-Python-Version: >> 2.5. What am I doing wrong?
21:27<wijnen>I mean >= 2.7 and << 2.8
21:27<wijnen>But I need >= 2.6 (or lower).
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21:40<twb>http://sprunge.us/JFbM why is debmirror trying to use rsync when I have explicitly told it --method http?
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21:42<twb>oh, "Warning: failed to use rsync to download extra files."
21:42<twb>It must always use rsync for the --getcontents or something
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21:50<kg>Hello guys, may I ask for your advice on gridengine? Or could you perhaps direct me to the right irc channel? Really need some help
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22:00<twb>kg: I've never heard of it
22:00<twb>There is a #gridengine on Freenode with five people in it.
22:00<kg>Darn. I guess I'll try my luck, thank you
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22:05<zarchne>Gridengine is packaged for wheezy, though.
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22:09<kg>zarchne: Is that bad? Doesn't this channel support wheezy?
22:09<twb>zarchne is saying you can ask here
22:10<kg>Oh, well any kind of help is welcome, my problem is that I cannot start sge_execd, because I keep getting a critical error stating: abort qmaster registration due to communication errors
22:11<twb>What have you already done to debug this?
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22:17<kg>read logs (though there aren't really any), checked whether the port that gridengine uses is already in use, edited the /etc/hosts file because apparently gridengine is pretty finicky about the hostname of the master, played around with some of some environment variables it requires
22:18<kg>I'm not really proficient with it, our main admin left for his vacation just a few days ago and I'm just the student assistant hah
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22:31<abrotman>kg: firewall to the master?
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22:36<kg>abrotman: Doesn't look like it.
22:36<kg>I noticed one thing though, when I check ports using netstat I see LISTEN 4597/sge_execd
22:36<kg>but I can't actually find the process for it
22:36<kg>that shouldn't be there
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22:38<abrotman>kg: fuser -n tcp 4597
22:38<abrotman>uh, or udp if it's udp I guess
22:38<kg>nothing for both
22:38<abrotman>neat
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22:40<kg>I managed to get a different error message now, not sure if I am any closer to a solution: Restarting Sun Grid Engine Execution Daemon: sge_execderror: communication error for "master/execd/1" running on port 6445: "can't bind socket"
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22:46<uso>kg: did you use netstat -p? isn't that number then already the PID of the process?
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22:46<uso>(I mean the number in "4597/sge_execd" above)
22:47<kg>uso: true, it's not a port duh, thanks
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22:48<twb>Also the cool kids use ss(8) now
22:48<SamB>twb: what's ss(8)
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22:49<twb>ss replaces netstat, as ip replaced ifconfig and route.
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22:49<SamB>I sure HOPE not
22:49<SamB>I can't *use* ip
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22:49<twb>You ought to learn then
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22:49<uso>SamB: welcome in the new (network) world :P
22:49<SamB>it's like it was designed by microsoft, except IIRC their help output is easier to follow
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22:50<twb>ifconfig doesn't handle multiple addresses properly
22:50<uso>SamB: there are already infos which you don't see with ifconfig and route
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22:50<twb>Yeah policy routing
22:50<SamB>anyway, what I'm saying is that ip's manpage, at least, could use work :-(
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22:51<SamB>and that it seems to have a bewildering array of subcommands of subcommands of subcommands of ...
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22:51<twb>SamB: http://sprunge.us/hdNP?ini here's one I prepared earlier
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22:52<uso>SamB: fortunately you don't need it often as ip has quite a usable built-in help, but I agree, the subcommand tree is scary :)
22:52<SamB>twb: FWIW I use curl(1) to see sprunges
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22:52<laura__>\list
22:53<SamB>uso: I don't remember the built-in help being quite as easy to follow as I'd hope
22:53<SamB>either
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22:53<SamB>possibly because it's hard to say which subtree to look at
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22:55<SamB>uso: I'm particularly thinking of how to get it to show routing tables, I guess
22:55<twb>"ip r"
22:55<twb>That shows the default route table, which is all you care about if you are not using policy routing
22:55<SamB>that was short
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22:56<twb>Long hand is "ip route show table default" or something
22:56<SamB>twb: what if I have more than one IP to look at
22:56<twb>how d'you mean?
22:56<uso>ip a ?
22:56<SamB>well, you know, that covers v4
22:56<twb>ip -6 r ?
22:56<SamB>but what about v6
22:56<SamB>oh yeah, that's right on the screen
22:57<twb>I assumed it showed both by default -- I didn't know because I turn off ipv6 at boot time
22:57<twb>But note that e.g. "ip -4 a" will hide ifaces that have no IPv4 address
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22:58<SamB>anyway, when I said "more than one ip" I had clearly forgotten that "IP" is often used as an abbreviation for "IP address"
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22:59<SamB>oh, also, what if I wanted nice tables?
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23:00<twb>Define "nice"
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23:00<SamB>well, you know, tabular for starters
23:00<uso>SamB: you mean formatted? I don't know, use your sh/awk/swd/wahtever foo :P
23:00<twb>| column -t doesn't work very well
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23:00<twb>http://sprunge.us/LGMg
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23:01<twb>http://sprunge.us/JCCR
23:01<twb>I guess it could be worse
23:01<uso>not bad for the start :)
23:02<twb>I cheated a bit with -o -4
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23:05<uso>SamB: the real beauty of network tables is gone soon anyway when you have gotten IPv6 and kernel/udev generated interface names :S
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23:06<SamB>uso: why would the interface names be kernel-generated?
23:06<SamB>I think only my *actual* devices have udev-generated names ;-P
23:07<uso>SamB: hardware related, like from onboard PCI bus, add-on cards, ... it's already default in RHEL7 I think
23:07<twb>SamB: he means like klibc and kdbus
23:07<uso>no more eth0 by default
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23:08<twb>uso: so what do you have instead. I presume not just "en0"
23:08<SamB>uso: also, udev seems to persist the names
23:08<SamB>so I think you can rename them to whatever you want actually
23:08<twb>SamB: that is best practice around here
23:08<twb>obs. my pastes :P
23:09<uso>twb: yes, remembered that as I saw your paste
23:10<SamB>uso: anyway back when it locked in the names it was still using the old style naming here
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23:10<SamB>no idea what it uses now
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23:20<jege00>Någon som är duktig på databaser och webbrelaterad hämtning av info på sidor?
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23:25<kg>What reason could there be for a program to not start? Could a full hard drive prevent a process from starting?
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23:27*twb grumbles about ISO 8859
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23:35<SamB>hmm, I wonder why I have non-"local" routes in my local table ...
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23:45<twb>SamB: they're link local, not loopback local
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23:46<twb>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address
23:46<SamB>that would explain why all 4 lines have the same PREFIX, certainly
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23:48<uso>kg: it could, it could also make processes crash
23:48*SamB wonders what's going on here:
23:49<SamB>2001:4830:16c0::/64 dev br0 proto kernel metric 256
23:49<SamB>unreachable 2001:4830:16c0::/48 dev lo metric 1024 error -101
23:49<kg>uso: Alrights, thanks. Though, doesn't look like a full hard disk is the culprit
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