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00:50<sven__>Hi all
00:52<sven__>I have debian wheezy (stable) installed. I got two questions: is there any benefit installing a latest kernel (3.16.?) as it uses the old 3.2. I use an older laptop so iam wondering about it.
00:53<sven__>it would therefore not be about supporting an unsupported hardware, due to driver missing in the 3.2 kernel. Instead i wonder about memory management technics or such things, that improved the kernel itself
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01:29<GreatiSlam>how install folders home?
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01:33<GreatiSlam>Videos , Downloads , Music ...... ?
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01:33<GreatiSlam>how install folders home .. Videos , Downloads , Music ...... ........ ?
01:35<LtL>GreatiSlam: read/ use 'man adduser'
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01:37<LtL>GreatiSlam: in other words from a console or shell use the adduser command.
01:39<GreatiSlam>ok I try now
01:41<themill>there's also the xdg-user-dirs package
01:44<GreatiSlam>Not out to solve
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01:45<GreatiSlam>xdg-user-dirs .. installed
01:46<GreatiSlam>But Not out to solve
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01:54<GreatiSlam>how install folders home .. Videos , Downloads , Music ...... ........ ?
01:54<retrospectacus>mkdir
01:59<GreatiSlam>retrospectacus, ??
01:59<znalo>GreatiSlam: did you try adduser ?
02:00<GreatiSlam>No
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02:00<GreatiSlam>I installed Debian without interface
02:01<GreatiSlam>After the installation of Xfce didn't find home folders
02:01<GreatiSlam>debian jusse
02:02<znalo>did the installer prompt you to create a user?
02:02<znalo>oh, jessie?
02:02<GreatiSlam>yes
02:03<znalo>try #debian-next for jessie support.
02:03<themill>here's fine for this question though
02:04<themill>The difficulty is not working out how to answer it in the context of jessie, the difficulty is working out what the question actually is.
02:04<znalo>true
02:05<znalo>GreatiSlam: did Xfce give you an error message / complain?
02:06<GreatiSlam>no
02:08<GreatiSlam>http://im65.gulfup.com/W5dBt8.png
02:09<GreatiSlam>I think that my son deleted the folders :(
02:09<znalo>ah ok
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02:11<GreatiSlam>Children cause problems :)
02:11<znalo>yes, I certainly did when I was a child
02:12<GreatiSlam>How to restore the folders again ?
02:13<znalo>if you're lucky they might be in the Trash
02:14<GreatiSlam>Not sorry
02:15<GreatiSlam>ملاحظة : أنا أستخدم موقع مايكروسوفت للترجمة
02:15<GreatiSlam>Note: I used Microsoft site for translation
02:17<znalo>I don't know how to restore the old contents of the folders. someone else might.
02:18<znalo>making new empty folders is probably simple enough (right click maybe?)
02:18<LtL>GreatiSlam: did you have files in the folders or do you just want to create them?
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02:19<GreatiSlam>no i do not have files
02:20<GreatiSlam> just want to create them
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02:20<LtL>GreatiSlam: can you open a shell
02:21<GreatiSlam>termenal?
02:21<znalo>yes
02:21<GreatiSlam>ok
02:22<GreatiSlam>And then what?
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02:23<znalo>GreatiSlam: 'mkdir Videos' for example
02:23<LtL>GreatiSlam: /home/greatislam:$ at this prompt copy paste this: mkdir Documents ; mkdir Pictures ; mkdir Videos ; mkdir Downloads ; mkdir Pictures ; mkdir Music
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02:24<GreatiSlam>Ok
02:24<themill>or you can give more than one argument to mkdir
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02:25*znalo learns a new thing
02:25<napo>good nite to everybody.. watch you tomorrow...
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02:25<LtL>GreatiSlam: cotrrection, copy paste mkdir Documents Pictures Videos Downloads Music
02:25<LtL>*correction
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02:27<LtL>GreatiSlam: also mkdir Desktop
02:28<GreatiSlam>http://im73.gulfup.com/nS9vyx.png
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02:29<GreatiSlam>Does not appear as above
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02:31*znalo wonders about that microsoft translator
02:32<LtL>GreatiSlam: logout then login
02:32<GreatiSlam>Ok
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02:33<GreatiSlam>Thanks to everyone
02:33<znalo>:-)
02:33<GreatiSlam>:)
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02:33<znalo>does Xfce use nautilus?
02:34*znalo can look that up, don't worry
02:35<LtL>znalo: i dont think so, its been awhile since i used xfce
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02:38<LtL>the clamshell icon makes me think it does tho'
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02:39<themill>xfce4 depends on thunar. Plenty of people seem to use nautilus though
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03:11<NANOVOLT>That's wrong a XWorld IRC server
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03:13<NANOVOLT>when his start up?
03:14<NANOVOLT>^(
03:14<NANOVOLT>:(
03:15<NANOVOLT>Live there?
03:17<themill>NANOVOLT: this is #debian. Do you have a Debian user-support question we can help you with?
03:17<NANOVOLT>abaut Debian I not have question...
03:18<NANOVOLT>sorry
03:19<NANOVOLT>pnx
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03:47<shyam>hi!
03:47<shyam>Anyone awake here ??
03:48<babilen>dpkg: ask
03:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:48<shyam>ok
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03:51<grandie>so do you have a question!
03:53<GreatiSlam>LtL, znalo .. The problem was solved very easily :)
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03:54<GreatiSlam>I returned to tell you this
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03:54<GreatiSlam>Solving this problem is
03:56<GreatiSlam>install ... $ xdg-user-dirs xdg-user-dirs-gtk
03:56<GreatiSlam>Then
03:57<GreatiSlam>greatislam@Debian:~$ xdg-user-dirs-update ; xdg-user-dirs-gtk-update
03:57<GreatiSlam>greatislam@Debian:~$ mousepad ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
03:58<GreatiSlam>That's all
03:58<babilen>Yeah, xdg-user-dirs is nice :)
03:59<GreatiSlam>:)
03:59<babilen>GreatiSlam: You might want to hit the enter key a little less often though as transmitting as many lines as you did just a little bit faster might get you kicked.
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04:01<GreatiSlam>babilen, I use a translation website. Sorry:)
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04:02<GreatiSlam>Bye \o/
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04:21<helmut_>hi
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04:23<andreas>how do i close port 631? netstat says init is behind it. i tried 'systemctl disable cups.socket, still open. also, since when are ports open by default?
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04:27<themill>andreas: if you install cups it is supposed to be running. It's always been like that.
04:29<andreas>themill: no, iirc cups used to only listen for localhost. anyway, all i can come up googling is that 'systemctl disable cups.socket' should fix the problem, and i remember that having worked at some point, but no more it seems.
04:30<andreas>to clarify, i don't want to uninstall cups, i want it to stop listening for outside connections
04:30<andreas>or, rather, i want init to stop doing that
04:32<themill>Oh, you're right, in wheezy it does indeed only listen on localhost. I've modified this config file too long ago to remember
04:33<andreas>oh forgot to say i'm on jessie, so there's systemd
04:33<themill>I gathered that much :)
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04:39<andreas>oh, got it. i still need to do 'systemctl stop service' to stop it right now and not only disable it.
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04:45<babilen>Sure, disabling doesn't stop it. It just prevents it from being brought up.
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05:05<foffa>How to create a bootable USB stick on debian
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05:07<blumoon|2>foffa: try unetbootin ?
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05:07<foffa>blumoon|2, i did but wont insert my ISO file
05:08<blumoon|2>foffa: what iso did you verify the hash?
05:08<babilen>foffa: You normally just write whatever image you want to use directly to the stick. The most appropriate procedure is typically documented by the project whose images you are using
05:08<foffa>blumoon|2, Hiren’s BootCD ISO
05:09<babilen>Just copy it to the stick. "cp foo.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (replace /dev/sdX with the device node of your usb stick, see "dmesg|tail -n42" after pluggin it in)
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05:10<babilen>But then: Ask *them* how to use their images.
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05:10<foffa>babilen, thats why i asked how to create a bootable stik on debian
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05:11<foffa>babilen, how to use their image is not my problem
05:12<babilen>Well, it will be if they are not providing hybrid images that can be written directly.
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05:14<foffa>ok
05:14<foffa>another question
05:14<foffa>how do i change the looks of the login screen I mean the background
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05:17<babilen>tricky IIRC
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07:00<qwk>Hi guys, I tried to edit my ssh-hostkey but something must have gone wrong because when I nmap its only found the DSA key and not the RSA
07:00<qwk>http://puu.sh/aMlCh/c768b89c37.png
07:01<qwk>notice I tried to replace the 2 k RSA key with a 16 k
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07:27<Obituaryy>hi
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07:27<Obituaryy>is it lxle debian?
07:27<devil>what is lxle?
07:28<Obituaryy>a new so based in lubuntu
07:28<Obituaryy>i have just installed
07:28<devil>what is a so?
07:29<Obituaryy>os sorry
07:29<devil>and there is no package in debian called lxle
07:29<Obituaryy>operating system
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07:29<elichai2>hey
07:29<devil>so you installed an operating system in a operating system?
07:29<elichai2>there is no sid-updates repo?
07:29<elichai2>(like wheezy-updates and jessie-updates)
07:29<devil>elichai2: sure
07:30<Obituaryy>no
07:30<elichai2>devil, sure yes or no?
07:30<devil>its just unstsable ,sain (contrib nonfree(
07:30<devil>elichai2: yes, been using it for over a decade.
07:30<elichai2>devil, not working for me...
07:30<devil>not working is no error description
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07:30<elichai2>and not seem to be exist in ftp.debian.org
07:31<elichai2>ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/
07:31<devil>show your line in sources
07:31<Obituaryy>look in distrowatch
07:31<elichai2>i don't see any sid-updates/unstable-updates there
07:31<devil>Obituaryy: not unless you give me a link
07:31<devil>elichai2: show your line in sources
07:32<elichai2>http://paste.debian.net/114639/
07:32<devil>I told you it's n ot called updates
07:33<devil>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
07:33<elichai2>so what is it called?
07:33<Obituaryy>http://distrowatch.com/
07:33<elichai2>Obituaryy, what to look there?!
07:33<elichai2>devil, that's it?
07:33<devil>yes
07:33<elichai2>no security or updates?
07:33<devil>Obituaryy: I know where distrowatch is
07:33<Obituaryy>http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lxle
07:33<elichai2>so jessie-updates and security.jessie-updates are all in that repo?
07:33<elichai2>(i mean the packages)
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07:34<devil>Obituaryy: ok, no support for that here. this is plain debian support
07:34<abrotman>Obituaryy: Do you need help with Debian?
07:34<devil>elichai2: sid does not need security updates
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07:34<abrotman>devil: it needs them, it doesn't explicitly get them
07:34<elichai2>what about this: http://paste.debian.net/114640/
07:35<elichai2>it's a good idea?
07:35<devil>abrotman: well, yeah
07:35<elichai2>or it's worthless
07:37<elichai2>devil, ...
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07:38<marinuta>please, help me, how to unistall skype from debian?
07:38<elichai2>marinuta, 'sudo apt-get purge skype'
07:39<marinuta>thx
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07:41<elichai2>devil,
07:41<devil>what?
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07:42<abrotman>elichai2: no, that's not the correct command
07:43<abrotman>and he left .. good job ..
07:43<elichai2>[14:34] <elichai2> what about this: http://paste.debian.net/114640/
07:43<elichai2>lol thx...
07:43<elichai2>abrotman, the jessie lines are worthless?
07:43<devil>elichai2: I know nothing about testing or stable, never used it, sorry
07:43<elichai2>devil, ok, thx
07:44<elichai2>abrotman, and it's weird, when i upgraded to sid(from jessie) it's upgraded only 10-15 packages
07:46<tommie-lie>elichai2: the packages from sid will almost always be newer than those from jessie/updates or jessie-backports, so yeah, that's pretty worthless
07:46<tommie-lie>in the general case
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07:49<devil>elichai2: what command?
07:50<elichai2>tommie-lie, thx
07:50<devil>elichai2: and btw, this channel is for debian stable, #debian-next is for testing and sid
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07:51<devil>elichai2: my guess is, you used upgrade, sid wants dist-upgrade only
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07:56<elichai2>devil, yeah, i already there lol
07:56<elichai2>but i did used dist-upgrade
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07:56<devil>elichai2: then you should see a lot more updates
07:57<sasha>Добрый день
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07:57<elichai2>devil, nope
07:58<ixi>!ru sasha
07:58<ixi>!ru
07:58<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
07:59<sasha>ok
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08:01<ompaul>elichai2: perhaps you will leave it all to #debian-next
08:01<qwk><qwk> Hi guys, I tried to edit my ssh-hostkey but something must have gone wrong because when I nmap its only found the DSA key and not the RSA
08:01<qwk><qwk> http://puu.sh/aMlCh/c768b89c37.png
08:01<qwk><qwk> notice I tried to replace the 2 k RSA key with a 16 k
08:01<qwk>OpenSSH, debian 6
08:03<elichai2>ompaul, that what i did....
08:03<elichai2>ok... i'll leave the channel at all if you want
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08:03<ompaul>qwk: are you aware that the current stable is not 6 but 7?
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08:06<qwk>ompaul, yes, but I have to use debian 6 for now
08:06<ompaul>ssh-keygen -t rsa and you set the value in that
08:07<qwk>I did that
08:07<qwk>as you can see in the pic
08:07<qwk>but while I nmap my server it just find the DSA key and not the RSA
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08:10<ompaul>qwk: the standard key generation is this The host public-key pair (1536-bit RSA)
08:10<ompaul>then you start your ssh
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08:10<ompaul>qwk: however I'm not overly happy helping with a squeeze box we will forget stuff more than remember it about that box
08:12<qwk>My host provider is to retard to give the access to the webpanel so I cant upgrade it from there, and their response time isnt the best either
08:13<babilen>qwk: fwiw, it makes *much* more sense to use 521 bit ECDSA keys than 16k RSA ones
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08:15<qwk>I dont trust ECDSA
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09:34<closingin>Could someone help me getting live install working ?
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09:37<fr33domlover>Hello! Package question: Why is gtkmm API reference installed in /usr/share/doc/libgtkmm-3.0-doc and not in e.g. /usr/share/doc/libgtkmm-3.0? I mean, isn't it a bit confusing that /usr/share/doc/gtkmm-3.0 exists but contains only README etc.?
09:38<fr33domlover>hmmm there's a symlink, I suppose it solves the problem :-)
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09:39<dpkg>/quit you fool!
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10:45<averytho_>In SHH i'm trying to download a whole directory using the
10:45<averytho_>mget ./*
10:45<abrotman>you mean scp ?
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10:45<averytho_>but it doesn't allow me to download the folders too
10:46<abrotman>man scp
10:46<averytho_>should I use scp?
10:46<LtL>averytho_: yes, recursively
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10:51<averytho_>wish they made scp as easy as ftp on ssh :P
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10:53<abrotman>it is ..
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10:59<averytho_>well not the login part xD
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11:00<abrotman>wtf ..
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11:01<averytho_>I think i'm spoiled because scp takes an extra step
11:02<valdyn>averytho_: why dont you use sftp ?
11:02<averytho_>I did
11:02<averytho_>when I try
11:02<averytho_>mget ./*
11:03<averytho_>I can't download folders in the directory
11:03<averytho_>only flat files
11:03<averytho_>error "Cannot download non-regular file:"
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11:05<valdyn>averytho_: i just tried, sftp does this properly
11:05<valdyn>averytho_: oh, nvm
11:05<averytho_>yea it's weird
11:06<valdyn>averytho_: use mget -r or get -r
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11:06<averytho_>gah i'm stupid
11:07<averytho_>I ALWAYS forgot that xD
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11:21<averytho_>what even is the difference between mget and get anyways?
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11:22<alexnder>guys hi
11:22<alexnder>how to install heimdall-frontend_1.3.2_i386.deb
11:22<alexnder> ????//
11:22<ompaul>averytho_: multiget and get multiple files and single file
11:23<ompaul>,v heimdall
11:23<judd>No package named 'heimdall' was found in i386.
11:23<alif>hy gays..am sory im a new for this forum..
11:23<alexnder>no i download it from google
11:23<alexnder>it is look like odin
11:23<alexnder>app
11:24<petn-randall>alexnder: Which release are you running?
11:24<ompaul>alexnder: you don't just download random debs and install them
11:24<ompaul>alexnder: apt-cache search heimdall
11:25<alexnder>i will try
11:25<ompaul>alif this is not a forum, you should do your research, and you should communicate using full words and sentences in order to allow us parse what it is you are asking.
11:25<petn-randall>alexnder: Which release are you running?
11:25<ompaul>alexnder: what does lsb_release -a |grep Descri say
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11:26<ompaul>!ask
11:26<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:26<alexnder>Debian GNU/Linux
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11:26<ompaul>alexnder: something else in there?
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11:26<ompaul>what is the release?
11:27<alexnder>n/a
11:27<abrotman>alexnder: pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:27<abrotman>paste.debian.net please
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11:27<alexnder> /etc/apt/sources.list
11:28<Nikno>o.O
11:28<abrotman>....
11:28<Nikno>Genius
11:28<alexnder>bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
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11:28<abrotman>alexnder: put the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list in a paste at http://paste.debian.net/
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11:28<abrotman>alexnder: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
11:28<alexnder>bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
11:29<abrotman>then do it as root
11:29<alexnder>it is not work
11:29<abrotman>or using sudo
11:29<abrotman>whatever your distro recommends
11:29<alexnder>root@Aleaxnder:~# /etc/apt/sources.list
11:29<alexnder>bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied
11:29<Nikno>o.O
11:29<abrotman>alexnder: ls -l /etc/apt/sources.list
11:29<blast007>it's not a script, it's a text file... get the *contents* of the file
11:29<abrotman>alexnder: CAT the damn file
11:29<abrotman>11:28 < abrotman > alexnder: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
11:30<alexnder>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 302 Aug 5 00:21 /etc/apt/sources.list
11:30<ompaul>alexnder: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
11:30<ompaul>alexnder: one more fail like that and we'll think you are a troll
11:30<ompaul>cat is not ls -al
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11:30<blast007>ompaul: he was told to run ls -l
11:31<ompaul>lovely
11:31<blast007>(because we thought there was some weird permissions issue, but he was just trying to run the file)
11:31<ompaul>argh
11:31*ompaul head desks
11:31<alexnder>guys i just want to install file:///tmp/heimdall-frontend_1.3.2_i386.deb
11:31<alexnder>and gdebia not open it
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11:32<alexnder>i want root my cell phone with the app
11:32<alexnder>.
11:32<blast007>alexnder: run 'cat /etc/apt/sources.list', and copy the resulting output and post it on http://paste.debian.net and then give us the link
11:33<alexnder>ok
11:34<alexnder>this I used a very complex system
11:34<alexnder><blast007>
11:35<blast007>are you having trouble with any of the steps I provided?
11:35<alexnder>no
11:35<abrotman>We need the paste URL
11:35<alexnder>the with trouble
11:35<alexnder>sorry
11:36<alexnder>ok what URL you want
11:36<alexnder>?
11:36<blast007>did you post the output on http://paste.debian.net ?
11:36<alexnder>no
11:36<blast007>then please read the steps I gave you again
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11:37<alexnder>i have nother trouble wine not open windows app
11:37<alexnder>?
11:37<abrotman>wtf does Wine have to do with anything ?
11:37<alexnder>do you know how to fix it
11:37<abrotman>alexnder: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
11:37<blast007>please provided us the information we have requested. we cannot help you further until you get us this information.
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11:38<alexnder>the wrong in the app not in my sistem
11:38<alexnder>i know this
11:39<alexnder>there is no wrong with cat /etc/apt/sources.list
11:39<abrotman>alexnder: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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11:39<abrotman>alexnder: we want to see the contents of that file.
11:39<alexnder>ok
11:39<alexnder>there is link
11:39<abrotman>where?
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11:40<alexnder>in cat /etc/apt/sources.list
11:40<alexnder>there is link
11:40<abrotman>alexnder: cat /etc/apt/sources.list .. show us the contents of that file
11:40<alexnder>no
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11:41<abrotman>alexnder: when you're willing to give us the answers to our questions, perhaps we can help you further.
11:41<abrotman>alexnder: feel free to msg me the URL for paste.debian.net that includes the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list
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12:06<alif>hii..
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12:06<babilen>alif: Hello. Can we help you?
12:07<alif>im sory..i dont now what this chat..
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12:08<alif>but aim new
12:08-!-Nikno [~Nikno@p5B300031.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: See ya]
12:08<alif>im from indonesia
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12:10<supaman>alif: this is a technical support chat channel for the Debian GNU/Linux operating system, if you just want to generally chat then try for instance the debian-offtopic channel
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12:11<alif>ok..sory im not good language english
12:11<Nikno>Is there any possibility of a mysql 5.6 server fullfilling dependencies for packages that need "mysql-common"?
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12:12<abrotman>Nikno: you mean you compiled it ?
12:13<Nikno>I used a pre compiled version, but it's quite the same
12:13<Nikno>A generic archive
12:13<supaman>alif: there is an indonesian channel called debian-id, dont know if there are any people there though
12:14<abrotman>Nikno: huh? what mysql packages do you have installed?
12:14<Nikno>No apt mysql package.
12:14<averytho_>I just did mget -r *
12:14<averytho_>and it's not getting the folders
12:14<averytho_>hm
12:14<Nikno>Just the server from mysql.com
12:14<abrotman>Nikno: right, you compiled it
12:14<Nikno>That's why I'm asking.
12:14<Nikno>Let's say that, yea
12:14<abrotman>dpkg: tell Nikno about equivs
12:15<Nikno>Okay, thanks
12:15<Nikno>And this works? Because mysql-common is 5.5
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12:19<alif>supaman:...im followthis chat
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12:29<averytho_>Is it possible to mget all the files in a directory + the directories below it?
12:30<averytho_>I tried mget -r
12:30<averytho_>which only gets all the files in that directory
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12:31<abrotman>have you tried scp yet?
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12:31<averytho_>can you give me an example of a scp command to get all of the directories?
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12:34<supaman>averytho_: http://superuser.com/questions/40281/how-do-i-get-an-entire-directory-in-sftp many suggestions there
12:34<averytho_>ty
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12:47<blazed>booooooooooooring ;x
12:47<babilen>blazed: Play elsewhere please
12:48<blazed>didn't expect that to be global ;\
12:49<averytho_>abrotman: the server i'm getting the files from only has FTP no secure modules :/
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12:56<abrotman>averytho_: probably fire the admin
12:56<averytho_>well it's not my server it's a company I need to get the files from xD
12:57*abrotman isn't sure that changes the suggestion
12:57<averytho_>I'm guessing there's no way to do it without secure modules :P
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12:57<valdyn>what secure modules are you talking about?
12:57<averytho_>they don't have sftp or any secure way of me connection
12:57<valdyn>averytho_: so you have to use actual ft?
12:58<valdyn>averytho_: so you have to use actual ftP?
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12:58<valdyn>averytho_: ncftp is an ftp client that can copy recursively
12:58<averytho_>yes i've tried get -r but it only gets the files in the one directory not the siblings
12:58<averytho_>i'll try ncftp
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13:06<averytho_>ok I got ncftp working valdyn
13:06<averytho_>which arguments do I use?
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13:12<averytho_>ty valdyn that works <3
13:13<gordon24186>Hello?
13:13<qwk>I just find out OpenSSH 5.5p1 is vuln for exploits. It is possible to update OpenSSH direct from their homepage? Cuzz the package manager apt-get in debian 6 doesnt seem to do the work.
13:13<averytho_>I kinda fucked up thought putting 100+ files in my root by doing /* xD
13:13<qwk>;/
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13:16<abrotman>qwk: Why are you still using Squeeze?
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13:17<gordon24>Does anyone know if there is a 3.16 grub release for debian?
13:17<abrotman>judd: versions grub2
13:17<judd>Package: grub2 on i386 -- squeeze: 1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u2; jessie: 2.00-22; sid: 2.02~beta2-11
13:17<jmcnaught>qwk: don't install SSH from source. If you're using Squeeze you should add the LTS ("/msg dpkg LTS") but you really should just upgrade to Wheezy
13:18<gordon24>Am I here?
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13:18<gordon24_>Am I here?
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13:19<towo`>no, you are there
13:19<gordon24_>ah. lmao
13:19<SynrG>You're here, but asking questions trivial to look up
13:19<gordon24_>Does anyone know if Grub updated to 3.16?
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13:19<towo`>and there is no grub version 3.16
13:19<gordon24_>Oh, I saw something bout a linux image being released on facebook for debian to 3.16
13:19<gordon24_>Trying to figure that one out.
13:19<SynrG>itym kernel
13:20<towo`>kernel != grub
13:20<SynrG>That's not a grub version
13:20<gordon24_>Right the kernel.
13:20<SynrG>Not yet
13:20<SynrG>,kernels
13:20<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-rc6-686-pae (3.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.13-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.13-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
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13:21<gordon24_>So the Kernel's aren't updated yet? wonder where they heard that.
13:21<qwk>jmcnaught, and the rest in here, okay Im going to do the "/msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy" upgrade but will it be any problem with OpenVZ VPS?
13:21<SynrG>In some months there will probably be a backport
13:21<SynrG>gordon24: it was announced it would be in the next release
13:21<qwk>Someone has told me it could be a problem
13:21<SynrG>That is all
13:22<jmcnaught>qwk: you'll need to ask your hosting provider if the version of OpenVZ they use will let you run Wheezy
13:23<SynrG>See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce
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13:23<SynrG>Last month i think
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13:25<gordon24_>Ok. ty synrg
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13:28<gordon24_>So, does anyone know how to make it where soon as you log in, it makes a login kinda noise? They did it in ubuntu in like 10.04 but after that, never had login noises. lol
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13:28<qwk>jmcnaught, alright, I will do that. But what could happend if I do it right know? Would it mess up the whole server?
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13:29<jmcnaught>qwk: if you do what right now?
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13:30<qwk>update from sqz to whz
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13:31<jmcnaught>qwk: if your hosting provider is using an older version of openvz that doesn't support Wheezy, it's quite possible that you will not be able to start the VPS after upgrading so you should definitely ask first.
13:32<qwk>Oh, thanks
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13:33<qwk>Made a ticket, will probably get an answer in 1-3 days if im lucky, what a customer services!
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14:21<yoelis>hola por aca
14:21<yoelis><yoelis> perdonen pero llevo tiempo luchando con algo que no he podido solucionar es que en varias distros y ahora en antix he instalado el driver nvidia-96 que es el que usa mi laptop y solo se queda en 800x600 y ni en el xorg deja cambiarsela ayuda y se me queda un lado de la pantalla negra.
14:21<yoelis>alguien me pudiera ayudar
14:22<yoelis>hi please help whit this problem
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14:23<sney>!es
14:23<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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14:41<skibur>How do I increase the font size in xterm? I used xterm -fs 12, but nothing. Any takers?
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14:47<babilen>skibur: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/x_resources#Xterm_resources + https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/x_resources#Xterm_resources + "man xterm" should help. My personal recommendation would be to rather use urxvt-unicode{,-256color} or something like gnome-terminal though. Suitable entries for the former would look like: http://paste.debian.net/114693/
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14:48<skibur>Thanks babilen: I switching to xterm because I believe my Radeon drivers are not completely support. Hence gnome-terminal lags a lot.
14:49<skibur>*I'm
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14:50<centrx>skibur, rxvt is even faster than xterm
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14:51<skibur>checking...
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15:11<ompaul>!es
15:11<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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15:29<Xaphan>hello
15:30<Xaphan>anyone know how to use daemontools package to monitor and restart processes if they fail?
15:33<centrx>Xaphan, It sounds like the info must be in man supervise
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15:41<Xaphan>i have heard of supervise from searches
15:41<centrx>Xaphan, apt-cache show daemontools
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15:41<Xaphan>i tried daemontools, i read about it sounded perfect, cant get it working.
15:42<Xaphan>i did apt-get daemontools and apt-get daemontools-run
15:42<Xaphan>made the sh script
15:42<Xaphan>which i need to run a game server with wine.
15:43<Xaphan>and if it crashes i need to to rerun the sh script
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15:46<centrx>Xaphan, The man page makes it look really simple
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15:48<Xaphan>man page?
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15:50<jimmyjhn>in console type $man daemontools
15:50<centrx>Xaphan, ^ Most all Unix documentation is available in man pages. These are usually the best reference for how to use a certain program.
15:51<dvs>that and the /usr/share/doc/<package>/README.Debian file
15:51<Xaphan>ok
15:52<Xaphan>thanks
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15:55<Xaphan>No manual entry for daemontools
15:55<Xaphan>:/
15:56<dvs>XaF
15:56<dvs>Xaphan: dpkg -L daemontools
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15:57<Xaphan>./usr/share/man/man8/supervise.8.gz
15:58<Xaphan>that what you guys are talking about?
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16:02<Xaphan>ok so pretty much supervise is what i am looking for? to run a sh script if the process crashes to recover it?
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16:04<dvs>Xaphan: "man supervise" might tell you
16:04<Xaphan>:P
16:05<Xaphan>you guys are really into men here.
16:05<supaman>http://untroubled.org/daemontools-encore/supervise.8.html
16:06<retrospectacus>!man
16:06<dpkg>i guess man is a little guy that knows everything about Linux... just do "man commandname" and he will teach you all about commandname. You can search for the appropriate man page with "apropos term". Enable <tab completion> in your shell to fill in the man page names. Man pages are available online too, ask me about <dmp>. See also <docs> <grounding>.
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16:09<Xaphan>what i don't understand, is where do i put my run script.
16:09*dvs enters "man kill" into his console
16:09<Xaphan>a directory called s?
16:10<Xaphan>than i use a run.sh?
16:10<retrospectacus>anywhere you want. Possibly the same place as your game server executable, or /home/xaphan/
16:11<Xaphan>oh thanks
16:11<Xaphan>now i am just looking for the specific command used to start
16:11<Xaphan>"continues reading"
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16:14<Xaphan>ok well you guys have been a huge help.
16:14<Xaphan>Go Debian!
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16:42<Xaphan>hmmm
16:43<Xaphan>supervise not working
16:43<Xaphan>svc: warning: unable to chdir to /pw/run.sh: file does not exist
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17:02<Zxcvb>I have been trying to get my i945gm based laptop to work in X for a while and if KMS is enabled then opengl stuff is extremely slow but if I turn it off then I am stuck at 800x600 (instead of 1024x600 like it should be)
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17:06<sup>how to install potato ( 2.2 )
17:07<sup>via debootstrap
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18:01<Beren>Hello
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18:02<Beren>Anyone here?
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18:02<bdog7>!ask Beren
18:03<Beren>!ask
18:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:05<Beren>I installed wheezy 7.6 a few days ago. I'm trying to customize it in lots of ways, and am pretty new to linux. I want to update my kernel from 3.2 to 3.14 for my 64bit system. I tried to install with apt-get, but got multiple errors and now I cannot even remove the newer kernel package to try to get a fresh start
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18:06<sney>where did you get the newer kernel
18:06<Beren>Through aptitude
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18:07<sney>yes but which repository? wheezy-backports?
18:07<Beren>Main, I think. I tried to install both linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64 and then linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-amd64, hoping to get better results with the second one
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18:08<sney>,kernels
18:08<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.16-rc6-686-pae (3.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.15-2); jessie: 3.14-2-686-pae (3.14.13-2); wheezy-backports: 3.14-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.14.13-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.60-1+deb7u3); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
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18:09<sney>ok, so bpo.2 is the current 3.14 for wheezy. that should have worked fine. can you pastebin the error you got?
18:09<Beren>Should I apt-get install it again to give you that error message?
18:10<sney>yeah, in order to help we do need to know what the error was.
18:11<Beren>http://pastebin.com/wm6kdraD
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18:14<sney>Beren: did you follow the recommendation and make sure initramfs-tools is installed?
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18:16<Beren>I tried. It seems to get messed up by the kernel I just tried to install. I'll show you the output when I try to install initramfs
18:16<Beren>http://pastebin.com/kzyp3VnF
18:17<sney>hmm
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18:18<sney>what's the output of 'apt-cache policy initramfs-tools
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18:19<Beren>Should I paste that here since it's shorter, or pastebin?
18:19<abrotman>paste.debian.net
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18:20<sney>yeah, don't paste anything to the channel unless it's max 2 lines
18:20<nicholas1969>whats this channel about?
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18:20<sney>nicholas1969: debian support.
18:20<nicholas1969>whats debian?
18:21<sney>www.debian.org
18:21<nicholas1969>ok
18:21<Beren>http://paste.debian.net/114720/
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18:21<nicholas1969>is that like a linux distro?
18:21<dvs>!tell Beren about ftp.debian.org
18:21<zarchne>nicholas1969: kind of.
18:21<fantasma>nicholas1969: jey
18:22<sney>Beren: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install initramfs-tools
18:22<fantasma>nicholas1969: jes.
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18:22<zarchne>More like THE linux distro.
18:22<nicholas1969>ok
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18:22<zarchne>The Linux of Linux distributions.
18:22<sney>one of the first ones to exist
18:23<nicholas1969>I might have even installed it at some point
18:23<nicholas1969>my memory is vague
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18:23<nicholas1969>well...goodbye and have a nice evening
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18:24<Beren>This is the output from that, sney: http://pastebin.com/2QD1CntY
18:24<Beren>Wait spam detection, I'll rectify
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18:25<sney>ok, so apt is going to keep going in that circle until initramfs-tools gets installed. annoying. can you go to /var/cache/apt/archives and install that initramfs-tools deb manually with dpkg -i
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18:27<zarchne>did you try apt-get -f ... ?
18:27<sney>-f is usually good for getting out of dependency problems, but this is something else
18:28<Beren>There are two .deb in there, sney, which one do I pick to install?
18:28<Beren>One is initramfs-tools_0.109.1_all.deb
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18:28<sney>Beren: the later version
18:28<Beren>The other is initramfs-tools_0.115~bpo70+1_all.deb
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18:29<Beren>zarchne, yes, I have tried that and gotten similar errors
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18:29<zarchne>okay.
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18:31<Beren>sney, it said that initramfs-tools conflicted with dracut so it did not install
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18:33<sney>huh well, maybe remove dracut and try again. if that doesn't work your best bet may be to reinstall, since otherwise you'll be getting into territory that is pretty hard to recover from with little experience
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18:35<Beren>I believe I already tried to remove dracut and got similar errors. I'll try again though. If I do need to reinstall, I might need a little help with that to handle grub with uefi
18:35<sney>yeah grub-efi can be pretty janky with some motherboards. not much you can do about that (except switch to legacy mode if it's a single boot system)
18:36<Beren>Yes, same general errors with trying to purge dracut :( it failed because of the kernels that I'm trying to uninstall
18:36<Beren>I'm dual-booting with windows 8, and got it to work a few days ago, but want to make sure I don't mess things up if I reinstall
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18:40<sney>well, try dpkg -r dracut
18:41<fantasma>beren: do you have a android or ios? you could reach this channel even via app.
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18:41<Beren>fantasma, I have an android tablet, but have not tried accessing irc from it before
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18:43<Beren>dracut was not removed because kernel 3.2 depends on it or initramfs-tools, which is not installed
18:43<fantasma>beren, i thought that would be a help if there would be need to complete reinstall wheezy. there are irc apps also for android. for example atomic - it works.
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18:44<Beren>fantasma, yes, that's a good idea so that I don't have to boot into windows to get help here. I'm going to install an app now
18:45<sney>dpkg has a force option, it's usually a bad idea but I would say to force remove dracut, then install initramfs-tools, then apt-get -f install and if that doesn't fix the problem then reinstall
18:45<dpkg>sney: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
18:45*sney hushes the bot
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18:48<Beren>sney, I will do that after transferring my downloads/etc to my portable hd, since that sounds like it could cause problems. I'm not too opposed to reinstalling, as it could allow me to get a better DE/WM situation and get my nvidia card to work
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18:48<sney>reinstalling to get a different de/wm is like knocking your house down to repaint it. it's only a good idea because of the mess you made with apt
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18:50<Beren>It's not reinstalling because of those things, I just thought it would be a convenient and easy opportunity to do so
18:50<Beren>You make a good point, though
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18:51<sney>I'm going to be gone for a while, probably back in an hour or two, and there are other people who can help with installing issues
18:52<Beren>Okay, thank you very much for all the help you have given (:
18:52<fantasma>sney: one moment please....
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18:53<fantasma>beren wrote that the system worked some days ago... so why not parse the /var/log/apt/history.log ... and *force* the remove of all the stuff beren installed today or yesterday?
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18:54<Beren>The main issue (the kernel stuff), I just caused in the past few hours
18:54<fantasma>all the packages that aren't suiteable for the moment AND their dependencies? maybe this could work?!?
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18:54<Guest140>HI I AM A BITCOIN DONATION BOT PLEASE DONATE BTC TO 1337rD387Bzo9kuRVPfYQmtYDVDfNT2Jwk (EVEN SMALL AMOUNTS HELP)
18:55<fantasma>beren, would you pastebin your /var/log/apt/history.log file?
18:55<Beren>Yes, in just a moment
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18:56<fantasma>ok
18:56<Beren>I was going on the trail of trying to fix things after forcing dracut to be removed
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18:58<Beren>fantasma, http://pastebin.com/xdJmpu4T
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19:03<fantasma>you got errors since 4.00 pm, right?
19:04<Beren>Well everything still works fine, but that's about when I started trying to update my kernel and failed at it
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19:06<Beren>But yeah, you've got the idea
19:07<abrotman>cute ...
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19:08<fantasma>ok, i'll take some parts of the file and modify it a little bit... this may take some. but i hope that i could give you then the right string ;)
19:09<Beren>Okay (:
19:09<Beren>I've got a couple hours before I have to go to sleep
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19:13<Beren>Oh look that's me on my table that managed to join
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19:17<fantasma>here its 1.19 am. irc works also on your android?
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19:18<Beren>Yes, I was able to connect with ease
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19:22<fantasma>cool :)
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19:33<fantasma>ok. i got a long string -with redundances- but just one string.
19:34<Beren>And you'll have me run it through my terminal?
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19:35<fantasma>yes of course :) but BEFORE you can do that, we have to avoid problems.Beren, i saw that you had a lot of errors. so, can you say WHAT kernel is now really running on your system?
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19:36<Beren>Kernel: x86_64 Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64
19:36<fantasma>you can look in the /boot/ directory.
19:36<Beren>According to the screenfetch script
19:36<zarchne>uname -a
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19:37<Beren>Linux liv 3.2.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 x86_64 GNU/Linux
19:37<Beren>According to uname -a
19:37<Beren>Thanks, zarchne
19:37<Beren>This is the kernel that came from the CD image I installed from, I believe
19:37<fantasma>ok, i'll have a look. (we don't want to remove also this kernen, eh?) :)
19:37<zarchne>That's the wheezy default, BTW, not a backport.
19:39<Beren>Can you explain, simply, what the backports are? It sounds to me like 'back'ports would be older, but that seems to have newer kernels available?
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19:40<zarchne>Beren: everything in wheezy is 2 year old (or whatever) except for security patches.
19:41<zarchne>Beren: newer software has to be backported to work on wheezy.
19:41<Beren>So backports are "back" from the perspective of jessie and sid?
19:41<abrotman>jessie
19:42<zarchne>As in "come back here!"
19:42<Beren>I see. Would that make jessie backports originating from sid?
19:42<zarchne>Well, no.
19:42<zarchne>jessie gets everything from sid.
19:42<zarchne>If it survives a two-week vetting period.
19:42<zarchne>(right?)
19:43<Beren>I see
19:43<Beren>Thanks for clearing that up for me!
19:43<zarchne>When jessie is released as the new stable,
19:43<zarchne>then it will get backports from jessie+1, the new testing.
19:44<fantasma>maaaaaaaannnn, paste.debian.net do not let me post the command :/
19:44<Beren>Which will be sid? Or will that be renamed?
19:44<Beren>fantasma, can you pm it to me?
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19:45<zarchne>Beren: unstable is always sid, named after the neighbor kid who breaks toys.
19:45<fantasma>Beren, i would do it. but i would have a better feeling if also others would look at it... i'm sure with the command, but i can make errors :/
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19:46<Beren>zarchne, that's clever :p
19:46<Beren>fantasma, I see. Pastebin?
19:47<fantasma>beren: ok, is it pastebin.com?
19:47<Beren>Yes
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19:49<fantasma>ok. can anybody have a look on this UNususal command before Beren will copy it into a terminal? http://pastebin.com/ZVxLsy1P
19:49<Beren>I'll do my best to proofread it, for what that's worth :p
19:50<abrotman>wtf, why would you do that ?
19:50<Beren>I believe dracut has already been uninstalled
19:50<fantasma>who should answer, abrotman?
19:50<abrotman>I wouldn't run that command
19:51<fantasma>ok, tell us why, please
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19:51<abrotman>look at the package list again
19:51<fantasma>i wrote this 'string'
19:52<fantasma>my idea was: beren had a working system, until the try to alter the kernel. in the /var/log/apt/history.log file are a lot of errors...
19:53<Beren>It still works, though
19:53<fantasma>so what i would do is: force to remove all the stuff that got installed when and after the problems started.
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19:53<Beren>I have not had any runtime errors, I just cannot continue in the process of upgrading my kernel, which is what I wanted to do and still want to do
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19:54<fantasma>THEN do a ordinary apt-get update. if the system would run again normally... belen could start to alter the kernel WITOUT reinstall the whole system.
19:55<sleser>a quik quastion . when new virsion comes out . does the update service upgrade me to a new virsion of debian . or thats a manual install ?
19:55<fantasma>yeah, but after you started to install dracut, the kernel headers and so nearly EVERY install/remove/update operation throw an error, right?
19:56<SamB>sleser: normally, yes, but I wouldn't swear it won't make a feeble attempt if you have "stable" lines in sources.list
19:56<Beren>I have not tried to do a "regular" package installation in the past few hours, so I don't know. I've only been messing with packages that seem directly related to the issue
19:57<sleser>yeh i have the stable one
19:57<Beren>If I understand what you mean, that is, fantasma. I'll try installing an unrelated package and see how that goes
19:57<SamB>as opposed to, say, "wheezy"
19:57<sleser>yeh wheezy
19:57<sleser>how about . when another stable comes out will the old stable upgrade to a new stable ?
19:58<fantasma>sure beren
19:58<SamB>sleser: well, like I said, if you have "stable" in there rather than something more specific like "wheezy", it might make some feeble attempt in that direction
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19:59<sleser>i see
19:59<sleser>np
19:59<Beren>Yes, trying to install ipython complained about missing dependencies, specifically to do with initramfs-tools, which supports what you were trying to do
20:00<fantasma>could you paste the error?
20:00<Beren>Of course
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20:01<Beren>Pastebin is under heavy load, so that might take a minute
20:01<fantasma>ok ok
20:01<Beren>http://pastebin.com/ekE5jPWX
20:01<fantasma>i looked at the ipython dependencies... but i saw just python
20:02<Beren>The klibc thing is what I was working on before you said that you were working on a command for me
20:02<Beren>I was trying to install the dependencies for initramfs-tools from the apt archives packages
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20:03<fantasma>ok, why didn't the string remove the initramfs-tools?
20:03<fantasma>they should be gone.
20:04<Beren>The string you gave me? I have not run that yet, and I don't believe I have initramfs-tools installed, and haven't for a while now
20:04<themill>you probably don't want to remove that package...
20:04<fantasma>beren: where ther any error message during running the remove process?
20:04<fantasma>ok ok
20:04<fantasma>than the initramfs-tools can*t be away.
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20:05<Beren>Wait, what should I do now? Try to get initramfs installed from the apt archives?
20:06<fantasma>but when you look at the error message.... the sytem prays for the deps of the ramfs-tools but won*t install the ipython dependencies.
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20:07<Beren>Right
20:07<fantasma>i'm not sure if installing the deps for initramfs would help... you could install them... but what if your box
20:07<fantasma>start to scream for all the other deps?
20:08<Beren>Then I reinstall?
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20:08<sney>still trying to make this work?
20:08<Beren>Yes
20:08<fantasma>yep sney
20:08<fantasma>i had an idea but we are not sure what do to
20:08<Beren>I'm even learning, to boot
20:08<sney>breaking things is usually a good way to learn haha
20:09<fantasma>right. i told beren to do that: http://pastebin.com/ZVxLsy1P
20:09<sney>I mean, ultimately, it's complaining that it can't find a particular update-initramfs executable to update the kernel in the initrd as part of the kernel installation or removal
20:09<dvs>so reinstall the package?
20:09<SamB>sney: kernel in the initrd?
20:10<SamB>sney: the initrd needs its own kernel now?
20:10<fantasma>five minutes...i need a sigg.
20:10<sney>SamB: well, modules
20:10<SamB>what is this, inception?
20:10<Beren>dvs, when I try to reinstall initramfs-tools, it then complains about the kernels that I need initramfs for removing
20:10<SamB>sney: ah, those are, of course, needed
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20:10<sney>dvs: yeah every run of apt triggers it trying to run update-initramfs, and it can't, so every run of apt fails.
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20:11<dvs>doh
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20:11<sney>if you were to manually put the files in place it might work. it'd be hacky, but every possible solution is at this point
20:11<Beren>sney, do you think I should use the apt archives to try to piece together initramfs?
20:11<Beren>That's what I was going to do a while ago
20:12<sney>apt archives?
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20:12<Beren>Since I have forcefully removed dracut
20:12<sney>oh, you mean in /var/cache
20:12<Beren>Yeah those
20:12<dvs>update-initramfs doesn't work?
20:12<SamB>... force-install initramfs-tools?
20:12<sney>yeah after forcefully removing dracut you would forcefully install initramfs-tools.
20:12<sney>with dpkg so it doesn't run apt and fail again.
20:13<Beren>Okay, so: sudo dpkg --force-depends -i initramfs-tools
20:13<Beren>?
20:13<sney>sounds right to me
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20:14<Beren>I'll try that
20:14<SamB>Beren: Hmm, dunno which force-flag you'd need
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20:14<SamB>I'd try with none and then see what it has to say
20:14<Beren>None what?
20:14<sney>just dpkg -i
20:14<Beren>Okay
20:14<sney>if you don't currently have dracut installed it may just go willingly
20:15<Beren>cannot access archive: No such file or directory
20:15<SamB>oh, you need to pass a path to the .deb
20:15<Beren>Did I enter the wrong command? "sudo dpkg -i initramfs-tools
20:15<Beren>"
20:15<sney>you have to specify the location of the .deb
20:16<SamB>probably in /var/cache/apt somewhere?
20:16<sney>/var/cache/apt/archives
20:16<fantasma>back
20:16<Beren>Okay, didn't know we were doing that this time haha
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20:17<sney>!refcard
20:17<dpkg>A short reference of Debian commands - quite useful for someone new to Debian - can be found at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/refcard/refcard.en.pdf and packaged for Debian as debian-refcard. See also <grounding>, <vim refcard>.
20:17<Beren> initramfs-tools depends on klibc-utils (>= 2.0-1~); however:
20:17<Beren> Package klibc-utils is not installed.
20:18<Beren>Should I do the same method to install that one?
20:18<sney>try that yeah
20:18<dvs>first
20:19<Beren>Okay
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20:20<Beren>Okay so
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20:20<Beren>That complained about something like libkc or whatever, so I did that one and then did klibc which is good now
20:21<Beren>Now I will try initramfs
20:21<Beren>Success, I think
20:21<sney>run 'update-initramfs -u'
20:22<Beren>command not found
20:22<themill>as root
20:23<Beren>update-initramfs: /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-amd64 has been altered.
20:23<Beren>update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option.
20:25<sney>well, it ran and tried to do stuff and didn't freak out about missing symbols. so, try apt-get -f install, and see if apt resolves itself
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20:25<Beren>Okay
20:26<Beren>Okay I tentatively think that was a success
20:26<sney>a reboot would be your moment of truth
20:26<Beren>It did not throw any errors (apart from the one that's just above in my last messages), and said it was doing a lot of stuff
20:26<Beren>Should I pastebin the output before a reboot?
20:26<sney>you can pastebin the log if you want
20:27<Beren>I believe it all went okay, but since it mentioned grub stuff, I want to be careful. Pastebin link in a moment
20:27<themill>I don't like the look of that update-initramfs message
20:27<Beren>http://pastebin.com/ML1kM3AM
20:28<Beren>And thank you all very very much, this is preferable to doing a reinstall
20:28<Beren>Also I'm learning a bit and that's always good
20:28<sney>yeah I agree with themill, it sounds like your initrd is corrupted somehow.
20:29<sney>at this point I would say just install linux-image-amd64 from wheezy-backports, let it pull in 3.14 and set it up, and boot to that
20:29<themill>Also, are you sure you don't need crytpsetup and lvm2? (And were you intending to remove the backports kernel?)
20:29<Beren>Okay, I clearly will need assistance in installing a new kernel so that I don't start this whole mess over :p
20:30<Beren>themill, I don't know what those packages are
20:30<Beren>So I don't know if I need them or not
20:30<sney>'apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64' should be sufficient. I don't know how you broke it in the first place, though.
20:30<themill>Beren: perhaps you can pastebin the output of "mount"
20:31<Beren>sney, I believe I went through aptitude and installed one of the two that we just got rid of
20:31<Beren>themill, you mean run "sudo mount" and pastebin results?
20:32<themill>yeah
20:32<Beren>Will do
20:32<themill>sney: not sure what to make of that complaint about "-t" -- that means the initramfs was "customised" outside of update-initramfs .. but perhaps that's a false positive. (update-initramfs -t -k all -c)
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20:32<Beren>http://pastebin.com/qWLqhSZD
20:32<sney>the 'linux-image-amd64' package is a metapackage that will automatically download and install the latest backport kernel, and give you newer backport kernels along with your regular updates when they are uploaded
20:33<sney>also, you don't have to type the full version string which is nice
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20:33<themill>Beren: so no lvm or crypt volumes there so don't worry about lvm2 and cryptsetup
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20:34<Beren>Okay, so, the next thing I need to do right now is run "sudo apt-get install linux-image-amd64"? How do I ensure it comes from backports?
20:34<Beren>My apt's sources.list file does have wheezy backports in it, for reference
20:34<sney>Beren: by including '-t wheezy-backports' between 'apt-get' and 'install'
20:35<Beren>Okay, so to be totally unambiguous: "sudo apt-get -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64" ?
20:35<sney>also, you don't need to say sudo. in #debian we are pretty familiar with privilege separation in linux and you should be too. if you're doing something with the package manager or changing system or daemon settings etc. it is understood that you are doing those things as root somehow.
20:35<sney>yes.
20:36<Beren>Okay and okay
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20:37<Beren>It is asking me to confirm installing one new package and upgrading linux-image-amd64
20:38<Beren>I'm assuming I should confirm
20:38<sney>it's what we're trying to accomplish
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20:38<sney>generally, you shouldn't worry *too* much about extra packages being installed; it's the ones that are being removed that can get you in trouble
20:39<themill>(you may also need the linux-headers-amd64 depending on what out-of-kernel drivers you're using)
20:39<Beren>I'm just a little slow and don't want to mess things up again by trying to be independent again (:
20:40<Beren>No errors were thrown
20:40<Beren>Most concerning things to my eyes were that it updated the grub.cfg (probably okay, but I could see how that could go badly), and it said there was possible missing firmware
20:40<Beren>Time to reboot, yes?
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20:41<sney>probably
20:41<dvs>perhaps ;-)
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20:42<Beren>As long as it didn't wreck my windows partition, I think I feel good rebooting no
20:42<Beren>*now
20:42<Beren>So I'll do that momentarily!
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20:43<Beren>I'll hopefully be back soon
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20:44<skibur>So, I justed remove a Kernel image via apt-get remove and added another Kernel image, but Grub didn't update? How can I update grub?
20:44<dvs>heh
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20:44<dvs>how do I UPDATE GRUB?
20:45<fantasma>update-grub?
20:45<dvs>!prize fantasma
20:45*dpkg gives fantasma a beer.
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20:46<fantasma>thank you dvs. :)
20:46<skibur>When I rebooted, the Kernel that I removed was still being displayed as an option.
20:46<dvs>fantasma: dpkg paid for it
20:46<fantasma>really? then also thank you dpkg (:
20:47<zarchne>skibur: does the boot fail if you select it?
20:47<skibur>I didn't try it.
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20:53<skibur>zarchne: My mistake, I remove the Kernel Headers instead of the Image.
20:53<skibur>*removed
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20:54<Beren>You guys are great
20:54<centrx>Thanks
20:55<Beren>Hopefully last kernel question for a while: how do I get rid of the now "obsolete" 3.2 from my system in a safe manner?
20:55<dvs>Beren: Why? It's a good idea to have a backup kernel just in case.
20:56<fantasma>when it works i can go to bed :)
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20:57<Beren>dvs, oh. Does it just take up hard drive space?
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20:57<dvs>Beren: It does, until something goes wrong with the running kernel, then you can use it again.
20:57<centrx>Beren, Usually keep around the last kernel for a while to make sure the new kernel works in all circumstances
20:58<centrx>Beren, After that, it's just disk space and easily removable with dpkg/apt-get
20:58<Beren>So it doesn't bloat anything while I'm not using it? Like, no processes running or anything like that? Just takes up disk space and counts as a package?
20:59<dvs>yup
20:59<Beren>I see. I'll keep it around, then
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21:00<Beren>Which means I don't have to bother you all anymore today! I'll just come back some other day to maybe get assistance with my Nvidia drivers if I can't figure them out myself
21:01<dvs>Beren: https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
21:01<Beren>I've looked there
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21:14<skibur>Very interesting... So I apt-get install linux-image-486, but no images was downloaded? Did I do something wrong?
21:14<d3c0>!hi
21:14<dpkg>hello, d3c0
21:15<d3c0>how install firefox version 30 ? thank u
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21:18<themill>dpkg: tell d3c0 about mozilla.debian.net
21:20<rjsalts>how do I escape a : in a filename for scp?
21:21-!-SamB [~SamB@2001:470:1f07:57:49b6:eef4:57d1:1816] has joined #debian
21:22<themill>often by using sftp
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21:25<zarchne>rjsalts: backslash (\) doesn't work?
21:26<zarchne>I would say probably rsync rather than scp, if scp is recalcitrant.
21:26<zarchne>s/scp/sftp/
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21:28<d3c0>thank you
21:29<rjsalts>zarchne: I tried \ " and '
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21:30<themill>rjsalts: give it some path info to make it look like a file: scp ./foo:bar box:
21:30<zarchne>themill: good job.
21:33<zarchne>(Yeah, and rsync doesn't help in this case.)
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21:37<zarchne>skibur: linux-image-486 is a metapackage that depends on (in wheezy) linux-image-3.2.0-4-486 . If the latter is already installed, there's nothing more to do.
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21:41<skibur>zarchne: Thanks
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21:51<marchall>hi
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21:54<marchall>gu
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22:02<dotut>hello, on debian jessie, are scripts in /etc/profile.d executed?
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22:03<themill>for a login shell, files ending in .sh in that directory are sourced.
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22:04<zoio>could i use gnome without systemd on jessie?
22:04<themill>dpkg: tell zoio about cross-post
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22:09<dotut>themill: thanks..right now can't seem to get em to work..any ideas on how to troubleshoot
22:10<themill>how are you testing this?
22:11<dotut>themill: basically, trying to launch gpg-agent based on recommendation on archlinux wiki for gpg..also tried placing logger statements in there
22:11<themill>but how are you actually testing it?
22:11<themill>how not what
22:11<dotut>logging out logging in
22:12<themill>ssh?
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22:12<dotut>no...killing X..logout, then log in
22:13<themill>I don't know whether the X session starts with a login shell anywhere. That one gets argued about a lot.
22:13<dotut>ok let me try rebooting
22:13<themill>that won't make any difference
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22:14<dotut>themill: hmmm ok so i guess i'll move it to .bashrc? how do u launch your gpg-agent
22:16<themill>x-session-manager runs it for me at login time (that's a standard configuration -- there's nothing to do there)
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22:17<dotut>themill: ok..makes sense..using a setup without x-session-manager..running enlightenment
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22:17<themill>!xsession
22:17<dpkg>xsession is probably ~/.xsession is used for both XDM and 'startx', when there's no ~/.xinitrc. [See: startx(1)], or best initialized as `echo -e "#! /bin/sh\nsource $HOME/.bash_profile\nsource $HOME/.xinitrc" >$HOME/.xsession'
22:18<themill>(assuming that there's no way to tell enlightenment what to run for you at startup)
22:19<dotut>themill: ok thanks will try that
22:19<dotut>appreciate the advice
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22:44<gordon24186>I dont' know if this is the right channel for this, but I want to connect to a computer that's 400 miles away from me via a terminal window. The computer I want to connect to is behind a router, so anyway to connect to the said computer behind the router?
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22:45<zarchne>gordon24186: well, are you running debian stable.
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22:46<zarchne>gordon24186: if you're running wheezy on the router, I can help.
22:47<SamB>gordon24186: does the machine have a public IP?
22:47<LtL>gordon24186: you would use ssh, and perhaps contact the admin of said computer for credentials, password etc. :)
22:49<gordon24186>Yea, I have debian 7.5
22:50<zarchne>That's a start.
22:50<gordon24186>Yea, machine has pub IP Its the IP that the ISP give them and then the computer I want is connected via a router.
22:51<abrotman>reverse tunnel?
22:51<zarchne>But probably the machine you actually want to connect to does not have a public IP.
22:51<gordon24186>Ah. So the router is a private IP besides the public IP that the ISP gives them.
22:52<zarchne>So normally you would set the router to forward one of its ports to port 22 on the machine on the inside.
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22:52<gordon24186>Right.
22:52<gordon24186>I got d/c via wireless so hopefully I didn't miss much. lol
22:53<zarchne>The guy who owns the router has to forward the port.
22:53<gordon24186>On the router?
22:53<zarchne>yes, usually a consumer router will provide a web-based interface that will do this.
22:55<gordon24186>Right. I wish I was there physically lol cause that's another Story in itself lol damn it jim..
22:57<zarchne>The computer you're trying to connect to, what OS is it?
22:57<gordon24186>Debian 7.5 also
22:58<zarchne>Can it connect to you?
22:59<gordon24186>I don't know. The issue I would have is getting into the modem we have and that's not possible cause we'd have to call the cable company. THey gave us a router with wifi and 4 eth lines.
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23:01<zarchne>because, like abrotman suggested, ssh has tunneling options so that if he can connect to you, he can forward a port on your machine back to his machine, as long as that connection is up.
23:02<SamB>thank God I have a mere cable modem
23:02<gordon24186>Not me, I use xfinty..
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23:03<zarchne>might look for "DMZ" option.
23:03<SamB>so even though the stupid thing is configured by the cable company to turn off the Web UI, it isn't a problem unless they also try to make it do something stupid like filter ICMP ...
23:03<gordon24186>Sounds like my debian is using IPV6
23:03<gordon24186>Ah.
23:03<SamB>... since my router is actually a Debian box
23:06<gordon24186>Ah. So, how could someone connect to me via the public n private ip?
23:06<gordon24186>I wouldn't know how to get into my cable modems interface.
23:08<SamB>gordon24186: well, it's the destination machine that needs to a routable address, or at least a public IP/port combo
23:08<gordon24186>Ah. That can be easy said than done.
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