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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-08-14

---Logopened Thu Aug 14 00:00:19 2014
---Daychanged Thu Aug 14 2014
00:00<mullein>you think that there are no security updates?
00:00<SamB>!freeze
00:00<dpkg>The 'freeze' is when large changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months. During this period, no new package uploads are made except to fix critical bugs or to provide documentation updates. During the freeze, bugs are squashed to 'stabilize' the release to make the new 'stable'. Wheezy was frozen on June 30, 2012. Also ask me about <slushy>, <jessie freeze>.
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00:00<SamB>serpardum: hmm, that was mere months before wheezy froze
00:00<serpardum>I meant ot say " not security fix, update. I typed "no ," instead of "not"
00:01<serpardum>Umm.. samb: "stopped for *few months*"
00:01<serpardum>>2 years is not "few months"
00:01<SamB>serpardum: do you know what happens when MS release a new C library?
00:01<SamB>serpardum: do you know what a "freeze" is?
00:01<serpardum>Of course, like any new software there are bugs
00:01<SamB>serpardum: that's not what I'm talking about
00:01<serpardum>from your defini9tion you quoted SamB, it is for "a few months" how is 2 years "a few months"/
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00:02<SamB>they all break ABI with the preceding version
00:02<serpardum>True, which is why you usually have more than one C library in windows.
00:02<SamB>serpardum: releases are not thawed after the freeze, they are RELEASED after the freeze
00:03<serpardum>!jessie freeze
00:03<dpkg>Remember, remember, the fifth of November, gunpowder treason and plot! Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will be frozen on 2014-11-05 after which no new versions of packages will enter the release and a period of intense bug fixing begins. See http://release.debian.org/jessie/freeze_policy.html or ask me about <slushy>. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunpowder_Plot
00:03<serpardum>So I guess i"ll go back til my PS3 and coding a LUA tutorial for 5 months since debian is worthless for anything else til then
00:04<serpardum>Yeah, basically, as a community? You guys suck.
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00:08<serpardum>turns out I was wrong. Wheezy is not 100% obsolete. It is only 81.81% obsolete: http://oswatershed.org/
00:08<SamB>serpardum: heh
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00:09<serpardum>looks like arch is the way to go.
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00:09<mullein>serpardum: jessie has glibc 2.19, is that non-obsolete enough?
00:11<mullein>poor kid, seems quite angry
00:12<ncl>lol
00:13<centrx>Arch has a really great wiki
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00:36<vsalles>alow
00:37<vsalles>mullein, FACA ALUMA COISA MUTLEY
00:37<vsalles>AAHAHAHAHAHAHA
00:37<ncl>are you sure
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00:49<mullein>vsalles, oh that muttley, but what about Dick Detestável?
00:50<vsalles>o q
00:50<vsalles>mullein where u freom
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00:50<vsalles>mullein, boot or human or 5d
00:51<mullein>united states, but i know how to search and get translations
00:52<vsalles>ok
00:53<mullein>are you in brasil?
00:54<mullein>how is portuguese debian?
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01:47<teslasmhd>^.^
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02:15<teslasmhd>o.O
02:18<enyc>Hrrm ... Alioth won't accept my registration as a guest... confirmatino email resent, tried password reset, all sorts... tends to redirect to saying i have been redirected as I do not have access to some page as an anonymous user ...!
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02:22<enyc>resetting password takes me to "Invalid Password Or User Name" when, then, logging-in!
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02:28<SamB>enyc: alioth has a channel called #alioth
02:28<SamB>you might get better answers there
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02:37<enyc>aha
02:37<enyc>SamB: thankyou
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03:23<CQ>hello, I need some help. My computer froze 4-5 times in teh last week, an no error messages in dmesg, syslog, messages or Xlog... any ideas where else to look?
03:23<CQ>before that it was running for months without problems.
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03:29<aa>wololo
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03:32<aa>?
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03:37<babilen>CQ: Run memtest and check the smartctl status of your harddrives (cf. http://www.thomas-krenn.com/en/wiki/Analyzing_a_Faulty_Hard_Disk_using_Smartctl). It might also be interesting to check if you've installed specific software prior to the start of your problems and you would either remember doing so or find evidence in /var/log/apt/history.log*
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03:41<CQ>babilen: thanks... smartctl doesn't show anything wrong on the system drive
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03:45<babilen>Sure, just general checking. You have to start somewhere .. You could also run a stresstest and put the system under load, but these things are typically hardware related. Do you have microcode packages installed or did you upgrade your firmware recently?
03:45<babilen>dpkg: microcode
03:45<dpkg>Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode
03:46<babilen>CQ: Also paste your history as it might be related to some software you installed. Generally speaking try to narrow down the "list of things that changed between good (past) and bad (now)"
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03:47<CQ>babilen: I haven't really installed anything lately... my guess is HW as well.
03:47<CQ>I'm thinking about reinstalling the system (had been planning to go to pure 64 bit anyway, currently 32 bit system with 64 bit kernel)
03:48<CQ>that way I get a clean install
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03:49<babilen>I'd still run some hardware tests. The last thing you want is a newly installed system that exhibits the same defect :)
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03:52<CQ>problem is, teh mainboard etc. are at least 5 years old... I upgraded CPU and mem last year, my guess is mainboard...
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03:54<CQ>run something like this http://www.stresslinux.org/sl/ ?
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04:04<babilen>CQ: Yeah, I was thinking of those utilities (but not necessarily of that live cd)
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04:26<teslasmhd>^.^
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04:36<prometoys>hi, udevd run amok on my system. i had a rule to load the elo module and run inputattach, now I have 15gb log files (5g for kern.log, messages and syslog each)
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04:42<babilen>prometoys: I take it that you removed that rule for now. Did you write it?
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04:44<prometoys>babilen, here is my rule: http://paste.debian.net/115534/
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04:44<prometoys>it is inspired by http://who-t.blogspot.de/2012/07/elographics-touchscreen-setup.html
04:45<babilen>So you want help with that rule?
04:45*babilen still waits for a question
04:45<babilen>brb
04:45<prometoys>babilen, yes, maybe
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04:46<prometoys>i must add, that the touchscreen was not attached, at the time, where the system runs crazy
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04:46<prometoys>this is the message from the logs "3290:Aug 13 13:10:45 wesley kernel: [ 413.265676] serio: Serial port ttyS0"
04:48<grove>prometoys: maybe? If you don't even know what you want why are you asking for help? - I'm not good with udev, so I probably can't help anyway if that's what you need help with, but it's quite unclear what you actually want
04:49<prometoys>grove: maybe someone could review the rule, if it's ok
04:50<prometoys>unfortunetaly I don't know what went wrong exactly,
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04:52<prometoys>grove, oh, sorry, i have an idea
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04:57<prometoys>the touchscreen wasn't attached, when the system booted. and because it's serial there is no way, how the system could check, if the touchscreen panel is attached.
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04:59<prometoys>ok, i found the problem, if the touchscreen isn't attached, i got this error.
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05:00<prometoys>so my question: can I check, if the touchscreen is attached to /dev/ttyS0 ?
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05:29<prometoys>another question: how can I disable notification in gnome for available updates for a certain user
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05:36<SynrGy>re touchscreen, no idea. re disable notification ... probably
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05:36<SynrGy>just a matter of not starting the update notifier
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05:38<prometoys>SynrGy, i like the other notifications :) thx
05:38<SynrGy>i'm not talking about completely turning off notifications
05:39<SynrGy>for one user, adjust the programs that are autostarted
05:39<SynrGy>don't start the update-notifier
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05:40<SynrGy>prometoys: i don't run update-notifier on any accounts on any systems where i have gnome in use. however, autostarted programs can be configured per user.
05:41<prometoys>ok, i will check and probably disable update-notifier for that user
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06:08<flips^>if I add wheezy-backports to sources.list, will I need to pin it to avoid accidently installing packages from backports? (I'd like only run one or two packages from there and not by accident lots of backports)
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06:09<themill>You are right that you don't want to install everything from backports and that is the default configuration. The backports.debian.org website discusses this
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06:13<flips^>themill: Yes, the write: "All backports are deactivated by default (i.e. the packages are pinned to 100" ...
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06:14<peter1138>Damn, can't use fail2ban, and can't use pam_tally2 with ssh pubkey auth :(
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06:22<babilen>flips^: You might also want to read apt_preferences(5)
06:23<peter1138>Urgh, even passwd -l doesn't stop pubkey auth working :(
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06:25<flips^>babilen: Yep, it's also quite comprehensive. :) I was reading a discussion on pinning on (https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences) I'm wondering if it's going to be maintainable running wheezy with jessie-kernel and xen ...
06:25<babilen>You should install the kernel from backports not from jessie
06:26<flips^>exactly
06:26<babilen>That wouldn't be the kernel from jessie, but I guess you meant "the kernel backported from jessie" :)
06:27<babilen>And I don't see a problem with that at all.
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06:27<flips^>some guy told me running jessie kernel worked nicely, but I was thinking backports is safer, and I just want to make sure I don't make a mess of many backports
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06:28<flips^>(he just installed it from jessie)
06:28<foffa>how to login as root ?
06:28<foffa>:D
06:29<babilen>foffa: enter "root" on the login prompt and then give the root password
06:29<babilen>(at the console naturally)
06:29<foffa>babilen, i did but wont works
06:30<babilen>Is it watching telly while drinking beer again?
06:30<foffa>cmon
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06:30<babilen>foffa: IOW: What happens if you try?
06:31<foffa>wrong password
06:31<foffa>i want to login from login menu not from terminal
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06:35<foffa>Hello
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06:41<babilen>Hmm, pity foffa left. Should have told him/her not to do that.
06:42<peter1138>I bet that would've gone down well.
06:42<Nemoder>With jessie I can no longer start pulseaudio as a user or it just hangs. it seems to run ok as root though so maybe I have some permission changed but I can't figure out what
06:44<babilen>Nemoder: #debian-next please
06:44<jm_>Nemoder: isn't it supposed to start with the session only, not manually?
06:44<babilen>(also provide relevant errors, settings and logs)
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06:45<babilen>And yeah, it is typically started by the session. Running it as system service has been removed IIRC (there even was a NEWS entry for that)
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06:55<djlocus>Do yall think anonymous os is a good platform and ios? or is kali linux best?
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07:04<SynrGy>sunday?
07:04<nadersith>I prefer kali linux
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07:05<SynrGy>offtopic, and he's not here anymore.
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07:24<peter1138>Hmm, can I enable ssh public key auth only for certain users...
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07:26<zsero>hi I’d like to ask if there is a way to set keyboard layout user specific. Using /etc/default/keyboard is system wide, isn’t it?
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07:27<jm_>zsero: for X?
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07:27<zsero>yes, only for x
07:27<jm_>yeah you can configure it for user as you wish
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07:28<jm_>peter1138: should be possible using Match conditional block in sshd_conf I guess
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07:29<zsero>jm_: can you tell me how? I’d like to use it using config files and command line tools, not in GUI settings
07:29<zsero>is it possible with xbindkeys?
07:29<jm_>zsero: which DE are you using?
07:29<zsero>LXDE
07:29<jm_>ahh ok you want to do it with a command
07:31<jm_>look at setxkbmap and related tools
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07:31<zsero>but what is the difference between /etc/defaults and setxkbmap?
07:32<teslasmhd>o.O
07:33<zsero>i mean the way /etc/default/keyboard and setxkbmap works
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07:35<jm_>no idea which tools uses /etc/default/keyboard - i don't seem to have it installed
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07:40<jm_>ahh thanks, I was only looking in /etc/init.d, but setupcon man page correctly mentions the file
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08:12<nano->I'm trying to use reportbug application but it doesn't result in a mail being sent. Is there any other way of sending a bug for a package via a regular mail client such as gmail instead?
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08:14<nano->ah found the example report mail in the wiki.
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09:09<flips^>hm, setting up a wlan interface on a server, use nm/nmcli or just /etc/network/interfaces with some wpasupplicant stuff?
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09:17<sney>flips^: usually the latter unless the connection is unstable
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09:18<babilen>"wlan interface on a server" ? no, that's not how it works :)
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09:20<sney>unless it's hosting services for wireless-only clients
09:20<sney>but even then you should probably use a discrete AP
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09:20<babilen>flips^: The general heuristic is: Will this change regularly or is it quite stable? And I'd use NM if you have to *adapt* to changing networking situations frequently. This is, more or less, the opposite of what you want for a "server", but then I wouldn't use wlan on a server anyway.
09:21<SynrGy>unless your 'server' is a warkitteh ;)
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09:21<babilen>You and your kompjutarised warkittehs!
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09:26<flips^>lol
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09:59<lavamind>hello, I'd like to install Debian on a iMac (intel), but without dual-boot, is this possible? all the tutorials I've found imply that you somehow want to keep osx
10:00<lavamind>I'm familiar with installing Debian on PCs, just wondering what's different
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10:01<midsandhighs>lavamind create a partition in disk utility and install there
10:02<lavamind>midsandhighs, can I delete everything that,s already on the disk?
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10:02<lavamind>I'm starting off pretty much from scratch here
10:02<lavamind>new hdd
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10:03<midsandhighs>lavamind yes I believe that you can. OSX will not let you destroy the partition that the system is on while in use, so either boot from an external disk or play with partitions that way
10:04<midsandhighs>lavamind does the disk have a recovery partition?
10:05<lavamind>midsandhighs, it's a used machine I was given, I want to put in a brand new unformatted disk in it
10:05<lavamind>can I boot the debian installer from USB and partition the disk as with a normal PC ?
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10:07<midsandhighs>lavamind that shouldn't be an issue
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10:08<midsandhighs>just make sure you know which hardware is in the machine, ie network cards and the like
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10:08<midsandhighs> typically uses broadcom for network stuff, and there may be 2 different GPUs in the iMac depending on model year
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10:11<planetmaker>lavamind, sure, if you don't want to keep anything on the HDD, just have fun installing and use the HDD completely :)
10:11<planetmaker>and yes, you can boot the installer from, e.g. USB
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10:15<lavamind>alright I'll give it a try
10:15<lavamind>so I don't need refit or bootcampor anything like this?
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10:18<musca>lavamind: be careful, don't loose the ability to run the OSX EFI configuration tool
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10:18<lavamind>musca, does that live on the hdd?
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10:19<Asuran>hi, i tried to compile a source packages with custom cflags at dpkg-buildflags.conf but it wont take any effect, other packages does. how to fix this?
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10:21<musca>lavamind: Intel Macs do not provide a command line to work with the EFI boot system.
10:21<teslasmhd>^.^
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10:23<lavamind>musca, I'm sorry but I don't understand, why would I need to run the EFI configuration tool?
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10:23<lavamind>does that tool run only in OSX?
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10:24<Asuran>man thats weird, i wanted mac os x more then linux you seem to want for some reason linux on mac
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10:27<musca>lavamind: i think iMacs only boot with EFI methods, so you need to configure it *after* installing debian.
10:27<lavamind>Asuran, Debian is superior to OSX in many ways, I have no interest at all in running OSX
10:28<Asuran>superior? i guess the only thing which could be better is linux (the kernel) itself
10:28<lavamind>musca, I read that you can configure them with BIOS emulation, and I think that's what is avctivated on mine because it used to run refit with Win/OSX dual boot
10:28<Asuran>there nice editors out there, the best os gui avaible (or i know of)
10:29<centrx>openbox is the best GUI available
10:29<themill>Asuran: many would disagree with you -- this isn't a productive conversation
10:29<lavamind>Asuran, there is no good package manager for OSX, and please don't mention the app store
10:29<Asuran>packagemanger yea thats maybe plus but theres good editor on os x
10:29<lavamind>themill, aye, (remembers not to feed the trolls)
10:29<Asuran>even a "real" photoshop alternative
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10:30<lavamind>well I'm not here to debate OSX vs Debian
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10:30<mullein>the best editor is available on most platforms, vim!
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10:31<Asuran>well best i know is VS but it only support few languages which is terrible
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10:31<Asuran>and yea only windows
10:31<lavamind>mullein, aye, plus it looks great with Powerline so I packaged it ;)
10:32<Asuran>intellij idea is not bad but the java gui is bit laggy
10:32<mullein>lavamind: nice i'll check it out some time
10:33<Asuran>i thought myself about switching to debian at my desktop
10:33*mullein could never get the hang of languages where people, when presented with complaints about overly long method names, say to use autocompletion
10:33<Asuran>but i gnome 3 i found only 1 accetable theme
10:34<Asuran>and kde is not my favor and fluxbox, idk is that still realiable?
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10:34<Asuran>isn't openbox the box thingy of your choice or whatever?
10:34*themill points towards #debian-offtopic
10:34<sally>what topic are we on
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10:35<musca>sally: debian linux
10:35<sally>what about it lol
10:35<centrx>system...
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10:35<sally>ive had a few small issues here and there when i first started with it, but it seems like an okay system
10:36<sally>except my laptop mouse has to be inverted to work
10:37<themill>dead mouse? legs in the air?
10:37<sally>it worked fine before i added debian to the laptop
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10:39<sally>and when i left click( normally right clicking) it scrolls down automatically
10:39<sally>i havent found any forums with the same issue
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10:41<mullein>what model laptop?
10:42<sally>gateway nv series
10:43<sally>nv5738u
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10:45<mullein>impressive, i see absolutely nothing about that laptop with linux
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10:45<sally>i know
10:46<sally>thats why i inverted it, it atleast minimizes the frustration
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10:54<mullein>sally, wish i could help more, but the only thing that looks promising to me is to check out the debugging instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingTouchpadDetection in the section "at least one of the touchpad features work, but does not work correctly and as expected"
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11:29<uso>I have a process (apt-cacher-ng) which has consumed a lot of CPU time, shows permanently with about 10% CPU usage in top, interrupt count is at 17k/s, context switching at 35k/s and when I look with strace at the process it just hangs in a select call, doing nothing, any idea what's going on with that process and what to look at?
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11:31<Welite>Hello, could somebody help me please ? I have a problem with setting open files limit. In limits.conf I have set nofile limit for my user (mc207) to 65 000 when I login in ssh and type:
11:31<Welite>su - mc207 -c 'ulimit -n' -s '/bin/bash' it shows 65 000 but when I get this limit by java code (its java app) it is still showing 1024, what I am doing badly ?
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11:35<sven>Welite: is the java stuff started via a login shell (which would call pam, which would call the pam limits stuff, reading limits.conf)?
11:35<sven>Welite: if not, then you have to set the limits otherwise
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11:36<sven>uso: do you have debug symbols for it? you could try 'perf' (or gprof)
11:37<sven>uso: i've seen mysterious behaviour with apt-cacher-ng too, mostly related to it just freezing up, not being able to serve requests.
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11:37<sven>sometimes the process dies unexpectedly
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11:38<Welite>sven sorry I am a bit new to linux by login shell you mean init script or ?
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11:39<sven>Welite: no, init scripts typically won't call any login/pam procedures.. so processes started that way will not read limits.conf
11:39<Welite>This is my output:
11:39<Welite>root@gama:~# su - mc207 -c 'ulimit -n' -s '/bin/bash'
11:39<Welite>su: Module is unknown
11:39<Welite>(Ignored)
11:39<Welite>65535
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11:41<uso>sven: no, the binary is stripped and there seems to be no -dbg package available for apt-cacher-ng
11:41<uso>doesn't sound good, I've just switched from apt-cacher to apt-cacher-ng, because apt-cacher slowed down my connection ...
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11:41<Welite>So please can you explain me how to start java program with that increased limit ?
11:42<sven>Welite: but how is your 'java app' started?
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11:42<sven>uso: you could rebuild apt-cacher-ng with debug symbols and go at it with a debugger and/or profiler... if you can reproduce the high cpu use.. :)
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11:43<uso>sven: yes, I'm afraid it won't show it just after a restart :)
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11:43<uso>what I don't understand is why strace doesn't show anything
11:44<sven>uso: it doesn't necessarily need to do any syscalls to use cpu
11:44<uso>oh, right :D
11:44<sven>uso: you could check if it's spending systime or usertime.
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11:44<sven>uso: and check its open files using lsof -p pid
11:45<sven>Welite: if it's started via an init script, you can basically just call ulimit with the appropriate params in the init script itself.
11:45<uso>haha, gone ... I tried ltrace (which I in fact wanted before) and the process died
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11:46<sven>afaik, debian doesn't have any framework for manipulating ulimit values for init scripts (like /etc/default/ or similar)
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11:47<Welite>sven I am starting the app with "{JAVA}" -Xmx4096M -Xms512M -Djline.terminal=jline.UnsupportedTerminal -jar Server.jar nogui (bash script)
11:47<Welite>java param means the path where java is installed
11:47<sven>Welite: do you start it manually?
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11:48<Welite>its a bit difficult it is starting by Multicraft control panel, multicraft is started automaticaly and then multicraft starts the "app"
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11:49<sven>Welite: so it doesn't inherit your login shell's ulimit settings.
11:49<Welite>probably not
11:49<sven>Welite: find a way to have either multicraft or any of its parent processes invoke the ulimit settings
11:50<sven>i mean.. simply put it in your bash script if you want to try it out
11:50<Welite>you mean to put this: ulimit -n 65000
11:50<Welite>?
11:50<sven>yes
11:51<sven>it depends on which user runs the script. you need root or special capabilities to up ulimit values
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11:52<Welite>So ulimit -n 65000 must be executed before the app starts from the user which is starting it ?
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11:52<sven>Welite: yes, and no. so it must be executed before the app starts..
11:52<sven>Welite: ..but the ulimit must be set by root (or someone with that capability).
11:53<sven>Welite: so the question is whether multicraft runs as root or not. if not, does its parent?
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11:53<Welite>multicraft has the root rights
11:54<sven>Welite: then, assuming it calls the bash script as root too, just throw in the ulimit line before the java thing starts.
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11:54<sven>Welite: you can inspect its limits afterwards, by cat /proc/<pid>/limits
11:54<Welite>I did that but it said that its unknown parameter
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11:55<Welite>So would it be better if I try to run the app outside the multicraft ?
11:55<sven>unknown parameter, really?
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11:57<Welite>Yes I think its because it is "special" script for multicraft only so thats why it accepts only some params but can you look at this http://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/bungeecord-installation/#installing-bungeecord-on-linux and there is the example of the start script so when I add here ulimit -n 65000 will it work ?
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11:58<Welite>It does not mind I can run the app without multicraft
11:58<Welite>I just need working way how to increase that limit
11:59<sven>Welite: i don't see where 'unknown parameter' should come from.
11:59<sven>Welite: ulimit with an invalid parameter will say "invalid option"
11:59<sven>or "cannot modify limit"
12:00<sven>Welite: how does your script look?
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12:01<Welite>it probably does not work because of multicraft it is really complicated worth it, it would be better to try to run it without multicraft roght ?
12:01<Welite>right *
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12:04<sven>if it really calls your script, then it should be easy
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12:06<Welite>yes but it probably does not ... ahh forget multicraft lets say I would like to start it directly without multicraft with this startup script will it work ? http://hastebin.com/huxaziwuwo.bash
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12:49<sven>Welite: yeah, should work. use the trick with inspecting limits in /proc/<pid>/limits. find the pid in the process list, ps auxf
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12:52<Welite>lol it says Permission denied :D
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12:54<Welite>sven I have one more question if I edit profile so that everytime when some user logs in it will execute command ulimit -n 65000 will it have the same effect ?
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12:54<silver>does .DS_store do anything critical for a debian box? or is it ok to delete all contents?
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12:57<mju>silver: I think, .DS_Store is a file OS X creates when accessing the folder. I suspect it stores information about how it displays the folder in there. Where did you find that file?
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12:58<sven>Welite: then you can rather use the limits.conf, as that applies to logins
12:58<mju>silver: I don't think a program in debian uses .DS_Store.
12:59<silver>mju, i have bleachbit installed and one of the delete options is .DS_store, thumbs.db is in there as well, i wanted to know if they were important for any reason on a debian box. otherwise i was going to delete them, yeah, it seems that they only serve a purpose on a mac
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12:59<Welite>sven: I have set limits in limits.conf but it seems like it is ignoring them
12:59<sven>boo osx for polluting filesystems :(
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12:59<sven>Welite: where is it ignoring them, you say? you clearly demonstrated earlier how the limits were set properly for your shell :)
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13:01<petn-randall>silver: As mju said, they're only used on Mac, and only for caching AFAIR.
13:01<silver>is thumbs.db necessary for any reason?
13:01<Welite>Yes in shell it seems like it works but when I get the limit by java (this code http://hastebin.com/ejisunihah.coffee) it gives me the default 1024
13:01<petn-randall>silver: ditto for thumbs.db
13:01<silver>k, thx
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13:02<sven>Welite: then the limits were not applied. i'm guessing it's due to the invocation script not running as root. which is fine; just find the parent process or invocation to set it in. or modify capabilities
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13:03<Welite>I know the parent process but I dont know how to aply the limits
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13:04<silver>now that truecrypt is down, what is another good alternative for linux?
13:04<sven>Welite: you might try out setcap to enable the CAP_SYS_RESOURCE capability on the script. i have not tried this myself
13:04<sven>silver: i've happily used cryptsetup (with LUKS formatting) for years. it's not really portable, though
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13:05<Welite>hmm hey man sorry I am really newbie in linux I totally do not understand about what you are talking about :D
13:05<Welite>I am just Java programmer :D
13:05<Welite>not linux master
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13:05<silver>sven, anything that could be used in conjunction with an external hd?
13:05<sven>silver: certainly. but will you plug it into non-linux systems?
13:06<silver>sven, hmmmm, maybe, but ill try and refrain from that
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13:06<petn-randall>silver: He's referring to "portable" as in "can be used with other operating systems". It works fine with external HDDs.
13:06<sven>silver: if you go with cryptsetup, you won't be able to read the LUKS volumes on windows, say
13:06<silver>petn-randall, ah, ok, got it
13:07<silver>so then is there any good choice for multi-OS encryption?
13:08<silver>or 'portable' i guess is the term i need to learn
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13:08<sven>Welite: as root, try this: setcap CAP_SYS_RESOURCE yourscript.sh
13:08<sven>Welite: that's the script that runs ulimit and java.
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13:13<Welite>sven, it should work anyway if I have set session required pam_limits.so in etc/pam.d/login no ?
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13:14<sven>Welite: yes, but only if java ends up being called through it.. which appears to not be the case
13:14<silver>and when i installed debian i opted for the encrypted LVM, was that encryption done using the cryptsetup program?
13:14<sven>silver: yes
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13:16<Ragabash>alguém ai anima em blender?
13:17<zumbi>!pt
13:17<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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13:24<Welite>sven, I have started it now like this: cd /media/sda1/multicraft/servers/server189 and java -Xms512M -Xmx512M -jar Bungee.jar ulimit -n 65000 nogui under root if I run this under some user which will have set limits in limit.conf will the limits apply ?
13:26<sven>Welite: you just put the 'ulimit' thing in the middle of the java parameters?
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13:26<Welite>yes like this: java -Xms512M -Xmx512M -jar Bungee.jar ulimit -n 65000 nogui
13:26<sven>how'd you figure that would work? :)
13:26<sven>ulimit is a separate command, not a java parameter
13:27<Welite>so where to put it ?
13:27<sven>before the java command. on a separate line, like you had before
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13:30<Welite>ah ok so when I make startup script like that: http://paste.debian.net/115618/ is that alright ?
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13:30<sven>Welite: yeah
13:31<sven>Welite: can you tell me what will call that script? how is it invoked?
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13:32<Welite>I dont know :D I just figured out the script I dont even know how to start it :D
13:32<Welite>Sorry I am really noob
13:32<sven>Welite: that's ok. how did you plan on starting it?
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13:33<Welite>I would like to start it on system startup
13:33<sven>okay
13:33<sven>you can make your own init script, or find an existing one if there is one
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13:35<Welite>I have there some init.d scripts already which are starting services like multicraft :D
13:35<sven>right, ok
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13:36<Welite>But can I put this http://paste.debian.net/115618/ directly to the init script ?
13:37<sven>Welite: yeah, you can. it's not going to be a very nice init script (supporting start|stop params, etc), but it should work. and there will be complaints about missing headers.
13:37<sven>but still, it should work
13:38<flips^>anyone know how to quote/type SSID's with single quote and space as part of the SSID (in /etc/network/interfaces)? (F.ex.: Foo's TestNet, I tried Foo\'s\ TestNet)
13:39<Welite>ok thanks
13:39<Welite>I will try it
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13:41<sven>Welite: do you want this to work on boot, for example?
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13:42<Knusper>Hello World !!!
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13:42<Welite>if you mean that boot = system start than yes I want
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13:42<sven>Welite: ok. you know how init scripts work, and how you ensure they start with insserv/update-rc.d and all that?
13:44<Welite>no sorry, I dont know anything I had a "friend" that helped us to setup all the linux things but he left us and we are now a bit "fucked up" sorry for that word
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13:45<sven>missing out on all that mining
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13:46<sven>people have been trying to get out of mining work for centuries, and here we spend all our effort trying to mine more :(
13:46<mullein>flips, according to http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/102530/escape-characters-in-etc-network-interfaces you just put it normally, no escaping, if i am reading correctly
13:47<silver>does anything important live in /var/lib/apt/lists?
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13:54<sven>Welite: i guess you've seen stuff like http://www.spigotmc.org/threads/mark2-start-up-script.3752/
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13:55<azyr>i'm trying to debug python program using gdb (i need to debug some wrappers over c-libraries). i am using python3 from the apt repository. gdb cannot find python's source code (like python.c)... i was thinking that i can obtain it using "apt-get source python3" but it gives me some really weird looking stuff
13:55<azyr>there is no c-code in that package
13:56<azyr>how do i get the real python3 source code from apt-get ?
13:56<Welite>sven, I think all this was useless because I have exactly the same problem as before now my java code shows really 65 000 files as maximum of "open files" but I still have the error "Too many open files"
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13:57<Welite>and the error happens exactly in the same time on the test bungee as on the original bungee
13:57<Welite>bungee - "the app"
13:58<sven>Welite: are they maybe two different processes?
13:58<Welite>Yes they are
13:58<Welite>but it seems like they have 1 limit
13:59<Welite>I really do not understand this limit settings I would like to completely disable limits for all users everytime
13:59<sven>Welite: did you inspect the /proc/pid/limits files for each? (do it as root)
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14:00<Welite>I am looged as root and I still dont have permission
14:00<Welite>root@gama:~# /proc/3534/limits -bash: /proc/3534/limits: Permission denied
14:00<sven>cat /proc/3534/limits
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14:00<sven>(it's a file, it's not a program)
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14:03<Welite>The original bungee says the limit is 1024 and the test really says 65 000 - here is the output: http://paste.debian.net/115627/
14:03<sven>right
14:03<sven>how does the process tree look?
14:03<sven>ps auxf
14:04<Welite>process tree ? you mean /htop or /top or ?
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14:05<mullein>also, pstree
14:05<sven>Welite: well, yeah. but i'm more interested in the parent of the java process
14:05<sven>Welite: type simply: ps auxf
14:06<Welite>Here: http://paste.debian.net/115630/
14:06<sven>hm, it was cut off, but seems it's readable
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14:07<sven>Welite: you see your pid 3534 is under another process, right. 1001 1806 1.9 0.0 189452 18792 ? Sl 12:52 8:18 /media/sdc1/mul
14:07<sven>is that multicraft?
14:08<Welite>3534 is under multicraft yes
14:08<sven>Welite: right.
14:08<Welite>but the test bungee is not
14:08<flips^>and the answer was: wpa-ssid "Foo's TestNet" (I asked about how to quote/escape) :)
14:08<Welite>and it is having the same issue like the 3534
14:08<sven>Welite: the test bungee thing is under your shell.
14:08<Welite>yes
14:08<sven>Welite: and what do you mean it has the same issue? it clearly shows a higher ulimit
14:09<mullein>flips, glad you figured it out. that would have been my next guess, except that stackoverflow link i pasted steered me wrong
14:09<sven>Welite: could it be that your test bungee spawns another process or something?
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14:09<Welite>Yes it shows but the console of the bungee is full of "Too many files open" exceptions
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14:10<flips^>mullein: To get it right I did a: var="Foo's TestNet' && wpa_passphrase $var <passphrase>
14:10<sven>Welite: is there some inter-process communication going on, perhaps? you can see how many files are open like this: lsof -n -p 18528
14:10<Welite>sven: like this http://paste.debian.net/115633/
14:11<Welite>lsof -n -p 18528 shows 100 open files
14:11<sven>Welite: right, so far from 1024
14:11<sven>Welite: would you agree that the bungee process itself is then fine, when it comes to open files?
14:12<Welite>and my java bungee plugin shows the same 100/65000 open files
14:12<sven>Welite: unless it fills up in a burst
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14:13<Welite>Yes it is right because bungee opens 2 "files" per connected player and we have 460 players online
14:14<Welite>Everything is alright until we have less than 460 players connected
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14:15<Welite>on the original bungee there are 1010 - 1024 open files
14:16<sven>Welite: oh, hang on. try this
14:16<sven>echo -n "Max open files=soft:hard" > /proc/pid/limits
14:16<sven>with appropriate soft and hard values
14:16<sven>into whichever process is having issues
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14:17<djinn>oi
14:17<Welite>so like this echo -n "Max open files=65534:65534" > /proc/18528/limits ?
14:17<sven>Welite: yeah. although that pid already had ok limits, didn't it?
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14:18<sven>Welite: rather put it into the PIDs of all the java and minecraft/multicraft-related processes you can find :)
14:18<djinn>how to check inbuild laptop cam?
14:18<Welite>root@gama:~# echo -n "Max open files=65534:65534" > /proc/18528/limits - bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument
14:19<Brigo>djinn, lcpci or lcusb should show it
14:19<sven>Welite: aw, sucks.
14:19<Brigo>lspci or lsusb*
14:19<djinn>Thx Brigo (assuming Terminal)
14:20<Welite>sven isnt that just "open files" ?
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14:32<sammy>I'm trying to use debuild, and it's hanging up when dpkg-buildpackage is running `dpkg-source -b` - it complains that a file in the current directory is different than that of the original tarball, but I just build the tarball two seconds ago from this copy of the source using debian/rules build-orig which spat out a .orig.tar.xz from the git tree in the parent directory.
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14:35<william1>Does a script in rc?.d HAVE to be a symlink?
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14:38<sven>william1: i'd be surprised if it *had* to, but someone's doing something wrong if it is *not* a symlink :)
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14:39<william1>it is for a startup script that deletes itself. I see no reason to complicate it. See I mount the LVM, create the script, unmount it, and then startup the virtual machine but it just won't kick off the script.
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14:40<william1>Also another related question, when it is set to be at runlevel 3, it runs rc1.d and rc2.d as well, right?
14:41<sven>william1: debian runs in level 2
14:41<mju>william1: No.
14:41<william1>oh so I tested in rc1.d and rc3.d. Does it not go through rc1 to get to rc2?
14:41<sven>https://wiki.debian.org/RunLevel
14:41<william1>ok maybe that is it!
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14:43<william1>What about rc.local it reads like it runs each time it goes through a runlevel. I had understood that meant if it booted to runlevel 2 it would run twice.
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14:44<Exhale>hello
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14:53<dimitry7>Hey guys. I want to create a image of a debian 7 to be running as a VM on Xen. I have done these steps to create it. http://pastebin.com/bngzub6u
14:54<dimitry7>what am I missing? why it does not boot? I updated the UUID on fstab and grub.cfg
14:54<sven>dimitry7: so you didn't install grub into the virtual disk's mbr, i take it?
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14:55<dimitry7>ooh, that's what I am trying to do... but where should I execute grub-install ?
14:56<Welite>sven sorry I had disconnect
14:56<dimitry7>sven, ooh, that's what I am trying to do... but where should I execute grub-install ?
14:57<sven>dimitry7: i never wrapped my head around exactly how that needs to be set up, actually. i'd probably try something with losetup and chroot. let's see
14:58<sven>dimitry7: right. https://superuser.com/questions/130955/how-to-install-grub-into-an-img-file / http://ebroder.net/2009/08/04/installing-grub-onto-a-disk-image/
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15:02<dimitry7>sven, oohh thank you very much man!!
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15:06<sammy>anyone have any experience with building packages from git? I'm trying not to reinvent the wheel, and this git already has a debian/ in its tree
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15:07<ompaul>!mentor
15:07<dpkg>[mentors] the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (irc.oftc.net).
15:07<sven>sammy: the mentor channel is a bit slow, but they should be able to help
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15:09<sammy>sven: thanks, sorry. I know irc support can be a bit slow. I should probably be bugging the git author who set up the debian/ in the tree, too, on how it should be properly built
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15:10<sammy>I didnt know if I would be igored cause I'm not building a package for the archives. good to know that's where to go for package building help; I always try to build packages rather than doing a plain 'make install'
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15:12<sven>i wish there was more hands-on practical package building examples
15:13<sven>like a cookbook on how to do it exactly right in various instances
15:13<sven>the whole orig.tar.x difference business confuses me every time :)
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15:16<xiqual_>is that book any good: http://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf ?
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15:16<xiqual_>page 415 onwards is on building packages
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15:19<dimitry7>sven, I had to do recovery
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15:23<dimitry7>guys ....I usually image with DD or Gnome Disks utility... but those DO image the UNALLOCATED space in my disk. So instead of imaging 50G, it images the entire 900G... is there a tool to image only the formated space???
15:24<sven>dimitry7: why not just make a sparse image first (or use cow2 or anything supported by your hypervisor), and rather install them using debootstrap?
15:25<sven>dimitry7: alternatively, make a sparse image, format it, and copy into it by using tar from the original. (you'd have to mount both)
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15:26<dimitry7>sven. Yes I used a sparse image. And did rsync
15:26<dimitry7>but guess what?
15:26<sven>dimitry7: and success?
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15:26<dimitry7>it does not recognize / or /boot
15:26<dimitry7>it says it has a ext3 fs and data
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15:26<sven>dimitry7: i'd probably avoid rsync, btw. i'm not sure how well it deals with special files
15:26<dimitry7>and when I try to rescue and install grub... it gets me down to full recovery
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15:27<dimitry7>sven, exactly, i didn't want to use it. But a guy suggested me that so I tried since I cant mirror the entire 900 G
15:27<sven>dimitry7: did you check if you can mount the filesystems, if you set them up with losetup and kpartx, for example?
15:28<dimitry7>sven, I can mount them and see the files, yes
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15:28<dimitry7>set them up with losetup mmm nop
15:28<sven>dimitry7: well, as long as you can mount them, it's fine
15:28<sven>dimitry7: so what is saying that it cannot recognize the filesystems, then?
15:29<dimitry7>sven, i did full recovery, but it will move all my config
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15:29<sven>recovery? what initialized the recovery?
15:29<sven>dimitry7: did grub install successfully, then?
15:29<dimitry7>yes
15:29<dimitry7>but my config is all scraped
15:29<sven>which config?
15:29<sven>grub.cfg?
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15:30<dimitry7>no, the config of my sources.list for example
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15:30<dimitry7>the hostname
15:30<sven>dimitry7: but.. you haven't booted yet :) isn't booting the first priority?
15:31<dimitry7>I have booted
15:31<dimitry7>im in
15:31<sven>oh, so it worked
15:31<dimitry7>but the hostname changed
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15:31<sven>changed from what, to what?
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15:31<dimitry7>from louis to pc234 :S
15:32<sven>hmm. that sounds dhcp-assigned
15:32<dimitry7>yes
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15:32<dimitry7>it gets errors
15:32<sven>dimitry7: do you maybe have some hypervisor wrapper or any additional scripts that will go in and modify hostnames etc?
15:32<dimitry7>on starting dhcp by the way
15:32<dimitry7>no no
15:32<dimitry7>nothing
15:32<sven>so pure qemu?
15:33<dimitry7>ID co respawning too fast disabled for 5 minutes
15:33<dimitry7>xen server
15:33<dimitry7>trial
15:33<sven>ok
15:33<dimitry7>if I mount them with
15:33<dimitry7>losetup
15:33<dimitry7>would it be possible to make it recognize /boot and / ?
15:34<dimitry7>doing grub-install
15:34<sven>as separate partitions? use kpartx, possibly
15:34<sven>i'm not really sure what you're asking
15:35<dimitry7>sven, when I boot from the debian CD in rescue mode
15:35<dimitry7>I go to the partitioning scheme
15:35<dimitry7>it says it has data and that the fs is ext3
15:36<dimitry7>but cant tell what moint points are there
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15:36<sven>right, but can't you just mount them where you want them?
15:36<dimitry7>I have teamviewer
15:36<dimitry7>hehe
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15:36<dimitry7>may I show you?
15:36<sven>i don't have it
15:36<dimitry7>hehe
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15:37<sven>also, why do you use the live CD at all?
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15:37<dimitry7>the live cd was to format the VM virtual disk
15:38<dimitry7>with ext3
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15:38<sven>you can just format the images directly via losetup
15:38<sven>partitioning too
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15:38<sven>although it seems most people use a single partition, or no partition at all
15:38<sven>..for virtual nodes
15:39<dimitry7>sven, okay perfect but before that
15:39<dimitry7>how do I image only my 50G ?
15:40<dimitry7>sven, really?
15:40<sven>dimitry7: you want to copy only the used 50G instead of the full 900G image?
15:40<dimitry7>no partition at all for virtual VMs??
15:40<sven>in my experience, no. just a flat device mounted on /
15:40<sven>but of course you can use partitions
15:40<dimitry7>sven, yes my disk is 900G, but 850G are unallocated, no FS on them
15:40<dimitry7>now I don't know whats better lol
15:40<dimitry7>dndt know that
15:40<sven>dimitry7: do you mean there's two partitions, two small ones?
15:41<dimitry7>yes :)
15:41<dimitry7>for boot and for /
15:41<sven>ok, like this? |<boot> </> <unallocated space, 850G>|
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15:42<sven>dimitry7: basically just mount up the source and destination, and use tar.
15:42<dimitry7>yes like that
15:42<sven>make your VM image as big as you would foreseeable need
15:42<dimitry7>sven, yes I will.... tar... :S
15:42<dimitry7>I prefer dd lol, but it copies all....
15:43<sven>right :)
15:43<sven>so tar it is
15:43<sven>or rsync for that matter. i guess it should work ok. i'd use tar myself, though.
15:43<dimitry7>sven, which syntax? because there seems to be plenty of ways...
15:43<dimitry7>which worsk better for u?
15:44<sven>dimitry7: you'd want options for either stripping a given prefix, or unpacking to a specific directory
15:44<dimitry7>ok ok
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15:44<sven>dimitry7: anyway, if you really need partitions in your image, you'd want to make those first.
15:44<dimitry7>well
15:44<dimitry7>what tar will do
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15:45<dimitry7>is to copy the *files*
15:45<sven>dimitry7: make your image. make it sparse, if you want (use the dd seek= param)
15:45<sven>use losetup on it, to make a device. partition that device as you want.
15:46<sven>use kpartx to make device nodes for the partitions in /dev/mapper/ or something
15:46<sven>mount them
15:46<sven>copy files as you see fit
15:46<sven>get grub working, umount, boot
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15:46<dimitry7>sven, okay let me try
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15:48<dimitry7>sven, the spase image is done automatically in xen server
15:48<dimitry7>it is the virtual disk
15:49<sven>well, ok
15:49<dimitry7>ok 1 step forward hehe
15:49<sven>it doesn't make it a weirdo format, then?
15:49<dimitry7>no, its like a new drive, no partition table on it
15:49<sven>ok. as long as it's a plain raw image, then you should be good
15:49<flips^>lvcreate -T fails, unknown segment type thin (lvm2 ver 2.02.95-8)
15:50<dimitry7>sven, yes
15:51<sven>flips^: which kernel?
15:51<sven>flips^: # find /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/ -name \*thin\*
15:51<sven>/lib/modules/3.2.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/md/dm-thin-pool.ko
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15:53<flips^>sven: 3.14.0.bpo.2, will try to load the module, might help ;)
15:54<sven>flips^: yeah, give it a shot
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15:55<flips^>does the vg need to be create with some option, too? (for thin prov)
15:55<sven>no idea
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16:32<inevbetrayal>hi everyone. i'm trying to mount a drive on linux but i'm having some trouble. fdisk recognizes the partition, and it says the type is GPT. when i try to use parted to give me more info (parted /dev/sdc -> print all) it outputs "unreconziged disk label". I also tried using gdisk and i get the output that the partiton table has a MBR: protective and no other type is present
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16:39<mullein>inevbetrayal: might the entire disk be used? what happens if you mount /dev/sdc /mnt ?
16:40<mullein>are you sure there is a filesystem on the disk?
16:41<inevbetrayal>mullein: FAT-fs (sdc): bogus number of reserved sectors SQUASHFS error: can't find a SQUASHFS superblock on sdc EXT4-fs (sdc): VFS: can't find ext4 filesystem
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16:42<inevbetrayal>the drive was pulled from an external HDD that was working until yesterday, i'm trying to see if its totally dead or if i can still recover data :/
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16:43<mullein>ok, and if you mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt, assuming that fdisk reported sdc1 as a partition?
16:44<mullein>sorry if my questions duplicate what you've done
16:44<inevbetrayal>mnt: special device /dev/sdc1 does not exist . and fdisk does identify the /sdc1 partition
16:44<inevbetrayal>no worries
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16:46<inevbetrayal>the drive should be HFS+ formatted, so i also tried mounting with mount -t hfsplus /dev/sdc /mnt/drive3 and i get - mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
16:47<inevbetrayal>dmesg | tail outputs "hfs: unable to find HFS+ superblock"
16:47<mullein>sounds to me like the partition table may be corrupt
16:48<mullein>you don't happen to recall what the partition table looked like previously?
16:48<william1>Hey sven thanks for the help earlier, it all works in rc2.d.
16:48<sven>inevbetrayal: should there be partitions on the disk, you say?
16:48<sven>william1: cool :)
16:49<inevbetrayal>mullein: this is my sister's external HDD, i'm trying to see if i can salvage some of her data, so i have no idea what it looked like before.
16:49<inevbetrayal>sven: there should definitely be a partition there, she had at most 2TB of space free (its a 3TB drive)
16:49<sven>inevbetrayal: hm, try cat /proc/partitions
16:50<sven>inevbetrayal: does the kernel identify any partitions? sdc1, sdc2, etc
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16:50<inevbetrayal>sven: it only identifies sdc
16:50<sven>inevbetrayal: hm, odd. try kpartx -l /dev/sdc
16:51<sven>does it list anything?
16:51<mullein>could you put the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdc into a pastebin?
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16:51<mullein>i wonder if you need to fsck.hfsplus the partition; i guess you have hfsprogs installed?
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16:52<sven>i would also take a backup of the entire disk, if you have space available for it.
16:52<inevbetrayal>sven: kpartx doesnt list anything
16:52<sven>inevbetrayal: ok
16:52<sven>it sounds to me that the disk never had any partitions
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16:57<inevbetrayal>mullein: fsck.hfsplus doesnt identify the /dev/sdc1 and here's a picture of the fdisk output: http://i58.tinypic.com/2edussz.jpg
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16:58<inevbetrayal>sven: there was data in the disk though, it should at least have one partiton
16:59<sven>inevbetrayal: it doesn't need to, it could have put the filesystem directly on the device
16:59<sven>i'm not sure how osx does it by default
17:00<sven>hm, gpt indeed
17:00<sven>strange how the kernel doesn't recognize it
17:01<mullein>what did dmesg say when you connected the disk?
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17:07<inevbetrayal>mullein: [sdc] write protect is off [sdc] mode sense: 00 3a 00 00 [sdc] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA sdc: unknown partition table [sdc] attached SCSI disk
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17:09<sven>inevbetrayal: try: grep CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION /boot/config-`uname -r`
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17:11<inevbetrayal>sven: CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y
17:11<sven>hm, so the kernel has support for gpt
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17:12<sven>you could start digging into the gpt data structures manually..
17:12<inevbetrayal>im not sure if i mentioned this, but running gdisk /dev/sdc outputs: MBR: protective BSD/APM/GPT: not present creating new GPT entries
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17:13<sven>so.. it might have written something to the disk, then
17:13<sven>that's sort of not very great
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17:17<inevbetrayal>sven: i ran gdisk verify option on the drive, and it says "no problems found 2.7TiB available in 1 segment. although the drive is functioning it seems that the data may be bust...
17:18<inevbetrayal>(the gdisk output ends in "segment")
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17:19<sven>inevbetrayal: there's something called gptsync in apt.. i'm not sure i would run it unless you have a backup, though
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17:22<dimitry7>sven,
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17:22<dimitry7>hold on.
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17:22<inevbetrayal>sven: i dont really have a way to backup the drive though, it wasn't spinning up on its enclosure, but ill try to plug it in on a windows machine (just in case) and if it doesnt work ill run gptsync... thank you so much for the time you spent, i'll be back in a bit to say what i managed to do
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17:23<sven>inevbetrayal: there are ways to use copy-on-write overlays, but.. complex
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17:26<inevbetrayal>sven: i'm not really sure what that is, could it allow some data to be recovered?
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17:27<sven>inevbetrayal: copy-on-write? no, it's just to ensure you don't write anything to the disk, by accident. you would write to RAM or some other image of your choice
17:27<sven>inevbetrayal: you can set it up using dmsetup with the 'snapshot' feature, if you're interested.
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17:28<inevbetrayal>sven: ah, so it would work as some sort of safeguard to not lose any data that might be available if i run gptsync?
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17:29<sven>inevbetrayal: exactly. and without having to back up all 3 TB
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17:31<inevbetrayal>and i wouldn't need the amount of used space some place else? you mentioned i could write to RAM, does it work by "saving" a certain amount of data while its being accessed and then moving on?
17:32<sven>inevbetrayal: yeah. all writes will be diverted to another place (ram, or image file or whatever)
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17:33<sven>..but you are still able to work with one coherent device, typically /dev/dm-0 or something
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17:34<sven>inevbetrayal: so if your fiddling with the gpt only writes 2 megabytes of data, you would only need to divert 2 megabytes of data
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17:34<inevbetrayal>sven: i see... it acts as a sort of shield. instead of writing to /dev/sdc1 it will write in some other place i tell it to
17:35<sven>yes. i don't have a recipe at hand, though. you'd have to check the man page and google
17:35<sven>but it's basically just about constructing the right 'snapshot' command.
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17:37<inevbetrayal>sven: i'll look into it, thanks! hopefully i won't have to send the drive to a data recovery center and fork out hundreds of dollars...
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17:37<Roci>Hola
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17:37<Roci>Como estas?
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17:39<sven>inevbetrayal: good luck :)
17:39<sven>dimitry7: i'll sleep. will read irc in the morning
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18:15<Jamie96>Basically I've got a windows 2003 DNS/AD server, resolving the "home.net" zone. On my windows machines this works fine. I've recently setup a small debian box for a sort of kitchen digital recipe book. However, when I try to go to my "recipes.home.net" webserver it goes the the official iBroadcast page. I believe this to be tied to my alternate DNS configuration, I have my router set to give my DNS server as prefered, ...
18:15<Jamie96>... 8.8.8.8 as alternate(in case of failure it seems) If I remove 8.8.8.8 from /etc/resolv.conf it works as expected. So why is debian preferring the backup server?
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18:29<uso>Jamie96: as far as I know it uses the one which answers first, using 2 different name servers which deliver different results is not a good idea
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18:39<uso>Jamie96: strange that that local windows server seems to be slower than the google server over the internet, maybe set up a DNS server on your linux box and use that
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19:39<dimitry7>hellllllllp
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19:39<dimitry7>I cant migrate my debian server to a VM
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19:39<dimitry7>tried all.... rsync, tar, dd, gnome disk manager
19:39<dimitry7>still cant BOOT, im really desperate
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20:02<skyel>ola povo
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20:23<uso>dimitry7: I don't know how you exactly have copied your installation, but did you reinstall grub after the copy?
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20:31<sleser>guys how do i chek if the 7.5 is updated to 7.6 ?
20:31<sleser>i update usualy when new update shows up .
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20:32<centrx>sleser, Make sure you have a security entry in /etc/apt/sources.list and do apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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20:33<centrx>sleser, You can check if you have the latest version of a recent security update as well
20:33<sleser>how
20:33<centrx>dpkg -l <package name>
20:33<dpkg>ii <package name> 1.5-5 centrx's private porn collection
20:33<centrx>or dpkg -l |grep <package name>
20:34<sleser>do i need to root to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ?
20:35<sleser>will a sudo do it ?
20:35<centrx>yes sudo is fine
20:35<centrx>dpkg, tell sleser about sources.list
20:35<sleser>sudo isnt doing it
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20:36<sleser>im geting an Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
20:36<sleser>it wants me to root
20:36<mtn>sleser: if sudo is not setup, you need to be root
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20:39<sleser>is there a command that shows. debian virsion ?
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20:39<netinvman>more /etc/debian-version
20:39<netinvman>more /etc/debian_version
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20:39<sleser>no sutch file or directory
20:40<valdyn>sleser: so youre not running debian
20:40<sleser>yes i am
20:41<centrx>/etc/debian_version
20:41<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/115673/
20:42<centrx>- is different from _
20:42<sleser>works
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20:42<sleser>showd 7.6
20:42<sleser>thank you guys
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22:24<pabs>I'd like rsyslog to not send user.* to /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages, does anyone know how to do that?
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22:34<Riviera>son
22:34<Riviera>err.
22:34<Riviera>:)
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22:34<mullein>pabs, edit /etc/rsyslog.conf, have a line like:
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22:35<mullein>user.* /var/log/user.log
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22:39<zartoosh>hi how would I know a specfic file belong to what packages? thx
22:40<mullein>dpg -S /path/to/file
22:40<zartoosh>mullein, thank you
22:40<mullein>np
22:42<zartoosh>mullein, I tried it for : dpkg -S /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/ and responds: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /boot/grub/x86_64-efi
22:42<mullein>i don't think it works for directories
22:43<zartoosh>same result for :dpkg -S /boot/grub/x86_64-efi/cpio_be.mod
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22:44<uso>dpkg only knows about files which are included in packages, but not about files which were created by pre- or postinstall scripts or by applications, and it works the same for files and directories
22:44<dpkg>uso: what are you talking about?
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22:46<pabs>mullein: I already have that (it is the default) but rsyslog still sends user.* stuff to syslog and messages
22:46<zartoosh>uso: so that file is created from another package. Now questions is How I can find which package has created that file? thanks
22:47<uso>pabs: that line only adds an additional file for user messages, you have to exclude user.* from the files where you don't want to have the messages
22:49<uso>zartoosh: there's no common mechanism for generated files, maybe start to check grub
22:49<pabs>uso: how do I exclude user.* messages? currently have I have this: *.*;auth,authpriv.none -/var/log/syslog
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22:49<uso>pabs: try to add user.none to that line
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22:50<mullein>uso +1
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22:52<mullein>zartoosh: it would be one of the grub packages, i don't know further how to find out without looking at the postinst scripts in the grub packages.
22:53<mullein>based on what i see online it's probably from invoking grub-mkstandalone
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22:54<pabs>that seems to work, thanks
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22:59<uso>pabs: glad it works :)
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23:06<pabs>me too :)
23:06<pabs>I didn't even know syslog had a user option tbh :)
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