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01:11<innmalint>i'm trying to understand why my screen brightness toggles to maximum when i unplug my charger; any ideas where i should look?
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01:13<space_putin>or try editing /etc/pm/power.d/
01:13<space_putin>google what to add to it
01:15<innmalint>thanks; just found out i had a systemd-backlight package too
01:16<innmalint>nothing in /etc/pm/power.d/ though i'm guessing i can add a script
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02:07<ac_hk>hi - guys, do you know if/how I can recover data written to a LVM snapshot that has become full?
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02:44<nonedead>I am having no luck with this install I am trying to complete, grub fails to install. I try to manually install grub and no luck, Any suggestions
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02:59<peter1138>What does "grub fails to install" mean?
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03:02<nonedead>Using the installer the install grub it tells me that installation failed
03:03<nonedead>I have tried installing with and without lvm and I get the same result
03:04<nonedead>I have booted into recovery mode and the filesystem is there
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03:14<EmleyMoor>nonedead: What, just a blunt "installation failed" with nothing more to explain it?
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03:15<nonedead>That is what the installer and the Graphic installer said
03:16<EmleyMoor>Query about chromium on wheezy: I recently stopped using LastPass, and, on opening chromium on my laptop, it appears to have put the icons for the other three extensions I am still using into a submenu, rather than displaying them at the end of the address/search bar. How do I change this back?
03:17<EmleyMoor>Ah, got it...
03:18<EmleyMoor>Anyway, nonedead, does it not say anything more?
03:18<nonedead>Not unless the installer leaves a log of the install process
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03:27<nonedead>I'm running the installer once again and will post the output log
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03:59<CCoder>Hi, sven are you there ? I have tried that what we figured out yesterday - when I execute ulimit -n 65000 before java command it works perfectly! Thank you very much!
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03:59<Welite>Sorry wrong nick :D
04:00<yto>how to move files to ftp server with anonymous athentication in one line shell command? test mv test but doesnt work
04:01<themill>yto: you'd need to use something like ncftp or lftp
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04:02<yto>themill: syntax?
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04:05<nonedead>main-menu[227]: WARNING **: Configuring 'grub-installer' failed with error code 1
04:05<nonedead>That is the error message I get
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04:08<EmleyMoor>nonedead: Can you, using, say, a recovery disk, get into the installed system as it stands?
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04:09<nonedead>Via the recovery console
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04:10<EmleyMoor>OK - do so, then apt-get install grub ; grub-install /dev/sdx (where x is probably a) ; update-grub then try rebooting.
04:10<EmleyMoor>It does sound like your installer may have an error
04:11<nonedead>This is the 5th disk and download I have confirmed the images and the disks are intact
04:11<EmleyMoor>nonedead: If the log has any messages from grub-installer shortly before the one you posted, that may be helpful, but in any case, try my suggestion
04:12<EmleyMoor>nonedead: I didn't say it wasn't intact...
04:12<nonedead>in-target: grub-common is already the newest version.
04:13<nonedead>If it matters I am installing on a IDE Raid
04:13<EmleyMoor>nonedead: don't morry about that.
04:13<EmleyMoor>IDE RAID?
04:14<EmleyMoor>Is this on the motherboard, a card or using Linux md...?
04:14<nonedead>The system is using a Intel 440BX chipset
04:14<nonedead>Using a hardware raid card
04:15<EmleyMoor>nonedead: Well, it may be that the card is not fully supported by the installer - but it will probably work OK in the system proper.
04:15<EmleyMoor>As for the drive name(s) you need, they may vary.
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04:17<nonedead>The installer sees it and is able to install to it
04:17<EmleyMoor>That i- n
04:17<EmleyMoor>That is not necessarily "full" support
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04:18<EmleyMoor>Perhaps the installer should do it better than it currently does
04:19<peter1138>Hmm, is there a proper Debian that'll run on a raspberry pi? Not a based-on version.
04:20<xiqy>No, the RPi's cpu is too old.
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04:20<peter1138>Figures :)
04:21<xiqy>It's ARMv6, Debian only supports v7.
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04:21<peter1138>Any similar devices that are supported?
04:21<xiqy>Beagle Bone
04:21<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to remove iceweasel without installing icedove? Not necessarily serious about doing so, but want to know...
04:21<peter1138>Thanks, I'll look it up.
04:22<birch>EmleyMoor, you mean without uninstalling* icedove?
04:22<EmleyMoor>birch: No, I mean without installing icedove.
04:23<EmleyMoor>If I mark iceweasel to be removed, icedove is marked "to be installed" and won't unmark.
04:23<birch>EmleyMoor, are you using apt-get or synaptic?
04:24<birch>try apt-get or aptitude and see if you get the same prompt
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04:26<EmleyMoor>I think I can see what's doing it now
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04:28<nonedead>Should I boot into recovery mode and see if I can access the filesystem?
04:29<EmleyMoor>nonedead: You should try to boot the system "whole" using a boot loader on a floppy
04:29<nonedead>How would I prep a floppy for the bootloader?
04:30<EmleyMoor>(not necessarily on a floppy, actually - the Ultimate Boot CD contains one)
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04:31<EmleyMoor>It may be possible to use the bootloader from a recovery image to boot your system
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04:31<nonedead>Ok, use the Ultimate Boot CD to boot into the system, correct?
04:32<EmleyMoor>nonedead: That's one way... TMTOWTDI
04:33<EmleyMoor>UBCD does contain grub, which has got me into systems with broken bootloaders before.
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04:44<nonedead>It just causes the system to reboot
04:46<nonedead>When I select the the partition
04:46<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... that's odd...
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04:48*EmleyMoor is just revising his boot stick
04:48<nonedead>The system has no usb
04:49<EmleyMoor>nonedead: That's not an issue
04:49<nonedead>All I have on the system is floppy and cd
04:49*EmleyMoor deals more with systems with no optical drives than systems with no USB
04:50<nonedead>besides the hd
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04:55*EmleyMoor has a boot stick containing UBCD, grml, the BIOS for his ThinkPad and the wheezy installers...
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04:55<EmleyMoor>However, it's getting a bit out of date...
04:57<EmleyMoor>(nearly 2 years!)
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04:58<spippi>buongiorno world
04:59<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... mixed language
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05:04<spippi>good morning em
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05:08<EmleyMoor>When was wheezy made stable?
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05:11<EmleyMoor>(I think my boot stick dates from the testing days)
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05:13<xiqy>May of 2013
05:13<EmleyMoor>Indeed - my boot stick's installers dated from October 2012
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05:16<EmleyMoor>Just hope I can remember the technique to get them to work on the stick
05:17<xiqy>Basically, just copy the image straight onto the stick's device file using dd or cp or cat or whatever.
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05:20<EmleyMoor>xiqy: That's "Basically". I'm being rather more advanced.
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05:22<nonedead>Well shit, it dropped me into initramfs
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05:27<EmleyMoor>Just remembered you can't do the BIOS that way anyway
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05:32<EmleyMoor>nonedead: BIOS updates for my ThinkPad have to be done from CD - USB stick always fails.
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05:32<EmleyMoor>Not your problem, of course
05:33<nonedead>I use a T61 as my business laptop, I know the feeling
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05:55<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... my bootstick seems fine but for one very useful part of UBCD...
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05:58<EmleyMoor>Might be possible to split that off to go alone though...
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06:13<nonedead>Any suggestions?
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06:20<nonedead>I did some digging and found a couple suggestions from Fedora about I2O adapters
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06:24<nonedead>It gave me a couple commands to run after installation skipping grub
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06:37<EmleyMoor>nonedead: Would LILO be an alternative to get you going? The installer's menu may offer you that
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06:37<nonedead>It dropped me into initramfs
06:37<nonedead>all 3 times
06:37<nonedead>with and without lvm on the system
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08:01<tamara>hi, i saw a guide and it suggested me to create a systemd unit file, but sysvinit is the default on debian wheezy
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08:02<tamara>does it work the same way?
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08:04<Brigo>tamara, no i do not.
08:05<Brigo>You could install systemd in wheezy -it is packaged- but it is not recomended. Wheezy is too old for systemd.
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08:09<grove>tamara: Try tellilng us what you want to achieve
08:11<tamara>i want mac address spoofing automatically at boot and i saw this
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08:53<AIIen>HellO am I in this room ?
08:54<AIIen>or all U ZZZZzzzing ?
08:55<valdyn>AIIen: we hear you
08:55<bhuddah_>all of the above.
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08:56<AIIen>:D OK this program loaded last session ... So I was just wondering !=0)
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10:16<arunjoseph>i want to enable tapping in debian. synaptics touchpad. the drivers are updated
10:17<arunjoseph>i chk online and got a page abt using sudo apt-get install kde-config-touchpad, but its 400mb + download
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10:19<xiqy>arunjoseph: That's probably because it needs to pull in a bunch of kde libraries.
10:19<xiqy>There should be a similar tool for whichever desktop environment you are using.
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10:19<arunjoseph>ok. any other option other than this large download. im on slow internet
10:19<xiqy>In any case, drivers are not installed via package manager, they are compiled into the kernel itself.
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10:20<arunjoseph>any settings in synaptics.conf
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10:21<xiqy>What exactly do you want to be able to do? "Tapping" is a bit general.
10:21<xiqy>Also, did you get your updating problem sorted?
10:21<arunjoseph>single tap to click instead of using the click buttons at the bottom
10:22<SynrGy>addressed in the README of the package
10:22<arunjoseph>yes, updates are all installed. i just restarted it
10:22<arunjoseph>no more updates now
10:22<SynrGy>also there's a wiki page about it,
10:22<SynrGy>tap-to-click is disabled by default upstream by xorg
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10:22<xiqy>I think there is a setting for that in the gnome settings tool.
10:23<napo>how to include new wallpapers on opt backgrounds.. i got errors cnat install them
10:23<SynrGy>and desktops don't always have fine controls over synaptics features
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10:23<arunjoseph>i had checked the wiki page. could not understand which optin is for tapping
10:23<SynrGy>for the ones that do have controls, the DE might actively fight you to override your xorg settings though :(
10:23<SynrGy>TapButton1 etc.
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10:24<SynrGy>see the synaptics man page
10:24<SynrGy> Which mouse button is reported on a non-corner one-finger tap. Set to 0 to disable. Property: "Synaptics Tap Action"
10:25<SynrGy>and later, it explains the numbering
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10:26<SynrGy>e.g. synclient TapButton1=2
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10:27<SynrG> 8 bit, up to MAX_TAP values (see synaptics.h), 0 disables an element. order: RT, RB, LT, LB, F1, F2, F3.
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10:28<SynrGy>oops, that's the wrong one. sec
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10:34<arunjoseph>unable to find etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
10:34<SynrGy>arunjoseph: you don't have one. that's normal
10:35<horuxan>what ?
10:35<horuxan>problem ..
10:35<dpkg>xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
10:35<SynrGy>arunjoseph: ^^
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10:35<arunjoseph>ok, how to open the etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/synaptics.conf file
10:35<SynrGy>just create one with whatever options you want in it.
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10:36<SynrGy>pretty sure the wiki page gives an example
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10:39<elichai2>need help:
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10:40<xiqy>elichai2: apt-cache policy libwebkitgtk-3.0-0
10:42<xiqy>elichai2: sid is supported in #debian-next
10:43<elichai2>yeah, i moved there
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10:58<Crowe167>I'm using Debian 7.6.0 amd64 in VirtualBox. I have a Friz Box 7360 with IPv6 and IPv4 in DS-Lite
10:58<Crowe167>I get 2 IP addresses via DHCPv4 and DHCPv6
10:59<Crowe167>But I can't reach any IPv6 address in the internet like
10:59<Crowe167>In my Host it works fine, and the Debian IPv6 config are correct
10:59<Crowe167>How can i fix it?
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11:00<sney>check your ipv6 routing table, make sure it has a gateway
11:00<Crowe167>I can reach my Debian with my Host with IPv6, and my Debian can reach my Host with IPv6, but not any IPv6 address in the internet
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11:01<Crowe167>sney: like "route"?
11:01<mullein>i don't see any ipv6 addrs for
11:01<sney>'ip -6 route' would do it
11:01<mullein>though maybe it's my machine
11:01<Crowe167>mullein: ping6 / ping -6
11:04<mullein>Crowe167: not sure if it's something on my side, but dig -6 shows only ipv4 addrs returned.
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11:04<mullein>sney has good advice anyway
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11:05<Crowe167>mullein: "Ping wird ausgeführt für [2a00:1450:4005:808::101f] mit 32 Bytes Daten" (If you cna ttranslate it from german to english :P
11:06<sney>!localized errors
11:06<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
11:06<Crowe167>sney: I don't was a error message ;)
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11:06<Crowe167>sney: I only have a fe80::/64 route in "ip -6 route"
11:06<sney>it's a message and it's a good thing to remember rather than just saying "oh I hope you read german lol"
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11:07<Crowe167>I will now reboot my machine and check it again
11:07<sney>fe80, that's link local isn't it? yeah, you need a default route. read 'man ip' for how to set it - your gateway address will be the address of your router.
11:07<mullein>fe80::/64 is link local, yes
11:08<Crowe167>I didn't used dhclient after a reboot, so i have nly a fe80 :D
11:08<Crowe167>Now, i have 2 routes: 2a02:something/64 and my fe80::/64
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11:09<Crowe167>default via the fe80
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11:11<Crowe167>What now?
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11:17<Crowe167>sney: Hmm, with a static IP the ping6 work
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11:32<feisar_>hi, when looking at top and RES why do some processes have 'm' after the number and don't? for example I have two Apache processes one says 21m the other 9452, what are the units?
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11:33<feisar_>but wouldn't 9452k be about 8meg, why is that displayed as k and the other dispayed as m?
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11:35<blast007>feisar_: it might wait to switch units until the number would have 5 digits
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11:35<feisar_>ah ok, that makes sense, thanks : )
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11:42<koen>someone here who wants to help me with a broken laptop? :)
11:43<koen>the screen is broken and im looking for ways to let it boot my usb stick.
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11:43<mullein>koen, can you plug a monitor into the laptop?
11:43<koen>i did , with hdmi
11:43<koen>and with vga
11:44<mullein>what model laptop?
11:44<koen>cannot acces the bios screen, i tryed PLOP bootmanager, a manager which can run usb.. but i cant see a thing.. i can boot in a live cd.. now i was wondering for a right command to boot into usb
11:44<koen>sony vaio
11:45<mullein>vaio is a line of laptops for 15+ years, if you can give me the specific model i'll try to look up the manual and see if there's anything helpful
11:46<valdyn>koen: what does google say about this?
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11:47<koen>its the pcg 71811M
11:48<koen>i tryed googling it.. some people with the same problem. no solution. So i rather ask u guys :) because u all like to have some fun with it otherwise you wouldnt be here i think ^^
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11:50<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh ( 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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11:52<valdyn>looking for a program to bind any program to a specific ip or interface
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11:55<SynrG>valdyn: like pipe to netcat? i'm not sure whta you mean ...
11:55<mullein>koen, i can't find the manual, but there are apparently display switching hotkeys
11:55<valdyn>SynrG: like a random program that uses network, but cant be configured to bind to a specific ip
11:56<mullein>valdyn, here's some discussion with ideas about using LD_PRELOAD, also using iptables:
11:57<valdyn>SynrG: its my way to let some programs use a vpn, and some go directly to the internet
11:58<mullein>valdyn, here's a more detailed approach with some code and LD_PRELOAD:
11:59<mullein>you could also look at network namespaces (man ip-netns)
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12:05<koen>mullein, yes i tryed FN+ Fx
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12:05<koen>mullein, isnt there something a live cd can do.. to reboot and boot from usb? :)
12:05<valdyn>mullein: nice, seems to work, but so far ive only broken the program, not set up the proper routing (yet)
12:06<mullein>koen, setting the boot order is something that has to be done in bios to the best of my knowledge
12:06<mullein>i kind of wonder if attaching a keyboard and monitor, then shutting the laptop lid, would get external display to work
12:07<koen>mullein, sadly i know so to :) i was trying to work around it :) i also tryed closing the lid.. now i found a guy on youtube saying " you should disconnect the display.."
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12:16<mullein>koen: maybe this?
12:16<mullein>If you disconnect a display cable (not supplied) from your VAIO computer while an external display is selected as the display output, the computer screen goes blank. In such a case, press the Fn+F7 keys twice, and then press the Enter key to switch the display output to the computer screen.
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12:16<mullein>probably not though
12:16<mullein>koen: you tried the LD_PRELOAD way?
12:16<dimitry7>Hey Guys, by GRUB y debian 6 can't show my kernel list. I boot it and instead of showing me the list where we usualy choose which kernel to boot with, it just shows a black screen with no text at all. I booted with a live CD image, did grub rescue, reinstall grub, updated inittramfs, updated grub, etc, but it still shows me the black screen...
12:17<koen>whats that?
12:17<mullein>meant that last msg for valdyn
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12:17<dimitry7>by the way the UUID entries in the grub.cfg file are all correct
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12:20<mullein>koen: another discussion suggested that if fn_f7 doesn't work, try WinKey + P a number of times.
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12:24<koen>mullein, i got my external screen working in boot fase :-) disconnected the screen.
12:24<koen>now i cant find how to get in bios -_-" dont really like sony its not straight forward
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12:26<mullein>koen, glad to hear that you got it working, claims hit f1 or f2 or f3
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12:31<koen>just gonna burn it on a cd :) problem solved
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12:39<koen>mullein, thanks a lot :) putting this laptop up as a new media center/ medium gaming platform for my tv ^^
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12:40<sven__>hi all
12:40<sven__>on a debian wheezy, does it from the bootup performance and for the overall system performance (desktop usage) still make sense to compile my own kernel?
12:41<sney>the stock debian kernel is very modular, so you'
12:41<sney>you're not using memory for (many) drivers you don't need, etc.
12:42<sven__>i know this but i have seen some comments saying that there are some parts where the standard debian kernel was mentioned being build for servers
12:42<sney>the only reason to compile your own kernel would be to enable some feature that's turned off in the build or so
12:42<sven__>and therefore not using some desktop specific ones
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12:42<sney>those comments are by people who don't know what they're talking about. the debian kernel is intended to fit the majority of use cases, server and desktop alike
12:43<sven__>thanks for your time btw. ;)
12:43<sney>np, glad to clear that up
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12:43<sven__>how come you know those things by heart?
12:44<sney>I've been here a long time
12:44<sven__>aha xD
12:44<sven__>and never tried another distribution?
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12:44<sven__>i went through several, but debian was usually the best stable
12:44<sney>your question is similar to one we get a lot, too. debian is popular for servers so people tend to think that it's a "server OS" but that's not the case
12:44<sven__>which one do you use?
12:44<sven__>well i do not
12:45<sney>which what do I use?
12:45<sven__>but i know that there are some desktop related possibilities in the linux kernel
12:45<sven__>well now debian
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12:45<sven__>all the time build my own machines looking out of windows
12:45<sven__>then one day i was sick of it
12:45<sney>I have some stable servers and some testing/unstable machines as well if that's what you're asking
12:45<sven__>and discovered linux, that time without automount daemons and such things
12:46<sven__>well the only thing sad on the stable is the packages are outdated
12:46<sven__>for example the libre office ;)
12:46<sven__>i know about backports btw.
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12:47<sney>that's the trade-off. when you spend time testing things and making sure they're integrated, the release ends up behind the upstream releases.
12:47<sven__>started wit the so called nürnberger windows (SuSE)
12:47<sney>so you get stable, but not super new. not that it actually matters 99% of the tiem
12:47<sven__>yeah but i prefer stable over fency stuff
12:48<sney>a sane approach
12:48<sven__>yes it just is sometimes nicer to have one or two things on the latest version if you miss a nice feauture else i completely agree
12:48<sven__>would you recommend trying the testing?
12:49<sven__>i did not yet
12:49<sney>we're in a perl transition right now so it's a little crazy
12:49<sven__>aha that means?
12:49<sven__>many stuff broken currently?
12:49<sney>switching from perl 5.18 to 5.20 and making sure that everything that requires perl still builds and/or works
12:50<sney>there's a lot of stuff missing from testing, some things broken, etc
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12:50<sven__>are you usually here you seem to know a lot about debian xD
12:51<sven__>maybe i will join here from time to time asking dumb questions after reading the ... manual and still dont getting it
12:51<sney>I am often here. there are a lot of people who know more than me, too
12:52<sven__>how come iam the only one asking questions all others know all of this already is this no newbie channel?
12:52<sven__>i dont wanna bother the developers and just have to wait longer for 8.0 :)
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12:52<sney>this is a support channel, sometimes it's crazy busy and sometimes it's not.
12:52<mullein>the developers are in #debian-devel mostly, i think
12:52<sney>and #debian-offtopic is where the silly chat happens
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12:54<sven__>well looks like iam right here then
12:54<sven__>some advanced users chat xD
12:54<sven__>i really appreciate your help 'sney' ;)
12:55<sven__>do you also use debian as a desktop os?
12:55<sven__>which window manager do you use?
12:56<sven__>iam none of the guys saying kde is best neither gnome
12:56<sven__>so no worries xD
12:57<sven__>i just would like to know your opinion on this
12:57<sven__>in case you use it often as a desktop
12:57<sven__>xfce seems to be nice also
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12:57<sney>I like kde.
12:58<sven__>well in the past i liked the gnome more, kde was slow and ugly and actually buggy i think end of 3 and beginning of 4
12:58<sven__>but now i was surprised
12:58<sven__>kde is better and better
12:58<sven__>gnome is strange now
12:59<sven__>iam looking forward to the next kde version
12:59<sven__>with the new plasma
12:59<sney>yeah if you want a familiar desktop layout with pretty solid integration etc. kde is the best choice. xfce isn't really there yet. cinnamon is nice but it leaks memory
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12:59<sven__>hopefully not so buggy as 4 was in the beginning
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12:59<fantasma>you can switch gnome to 'classic' if you dont like the new look and feel.
13:00<sven__>i know this (now) @fantasma but thanks xD
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13:00<sven__>in the beginning, when i started using linux again i did not
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13:01<sven__>my desktop is a mac / darwin / bsd but now i got hands on my girlfriends "old" notebook and set it free from windows
13:01<sven__>thanks for me buying her a new one god i like windows 8 hell...
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13:04<sven__>we will see us soon again have a wonderfull day then ;-)
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13:27<dimitry7>hi man
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14:42<azyr>can i somehow see the version history of a given package, say python3?
14:42<azyr>i would like to see what was the last version before it was updated to 3.4 in "testing"
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14:48<mullein>you could look at , i think; i got that from the changelog link on the package page
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15:01<azyr>thank you!
15:03<Samouy>Hi ! i'm looking for help with bluetooth and AD2P . i followed the instructions in debian doc but i can't stream music . My device is paired and connected succesfully
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15:04<Samouy>but i can't play audio on my headset
15:04<nonedead>I'm back with same problem on installation I can not get grub to install on system installation
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15:51<bitcrunsher>good evening
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15:56<AIIen>thanks 4 letting me hang... L8R !=0)
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16:12<bitcrunsher>is it possible to run a debian system on a smartbook s7 (android std.) system ?
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17:23<zartoosh>HI When I type apt-get upgrade it tries to install newer kernel version. I do not want to get the newer kernel, is there a way I can automate this please? Thanks
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17:25<ectospasm>zartoosh: are you using stable/wheezy?
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17:26<lavamind>for the record, after trying hard to install Debian via USB thumb drive on an old aluminum intel iMac, it worked just dandy using an install CD
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17:27<zartoosh>ectospasm, hi I am using a derivative of debian
17:27<ectospasm>!based on debian
17:27<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
17:27<ectospasm>zartoosh: ^
17:28<msmith129>random question
17:28<msmith129>how do i cange browser display colors
17:28<peter1138>zartoosh, keyeords to search for, package hold
17:30<zartoosh>peter1138, thanks
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17:31<ompaul>zartoosh: how your derivative deals with everything from hardware to drivers may be different all the way to setting services etc - you are better off in their channel - which derivative is it?
17:31<weasel>horrible idea
17:32<ompaul>weasel: well one knows that they would be better dealing with debian then they could get the best help going here
17:32<zartoosh>ompaul, I understand and respect it. I actually work all the time with debian which I love.
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17:33<ompaul>weasel: I know now I mismatched your answer but it seemed like a good idea until I hit enter
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17:34<ompaul>since then the delta between good idea and action have grown quite a lot
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17:36<voxadam>What do I need to watch out for when installing Wheezy on a UEFI based amd64 machine that is currently running Windows 8? I need to allow this machine to dual boot for the time being.
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17:38<voxadam>The Wheezy install guide includes instructions for installing over PLIP but doesn't seem to mention EFI.
17:38<centrx>voxadam, Personally I disabled UEFI in the BIOS
17:38<centrx>but I wasn't dual booting
17:39<voxadam>centrx: Unfortunately I have to keep this system running W8 as well for now so I need to deal with EFI
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17:41<ompaul>voxadam: did you try dropping back to bios and seeing if windows still booted?
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17:45<hu>hello, I had debian jessie with gm3 and everything worked ok. Today I installed it with Xfce and lost the sound. even aplay cannot play anything but the devices are listed
17:45<hu>any idea what can be the problem?
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17:46<hu>i checked the gui and alsamixer
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17:46<hu>also tried alsactl init
17:46<dwk>hu: I had a similar problem, it turned out to be pulseaudio and/or roaraudio upgrades. I uninstalled (purged) both and sound came back
17:47<hu>thanks dwk, purged alsa or roar and pulse
17:48<dwk>hu: alsa should be fine, it's just pulseaudio + roaraudio and others that try to mix sound
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17:49<hu>I will reboot to see if it helps
17:49<hu>thanks dwk
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17:52<hu>dwk thank you it worked
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18:03<dwk>hu: no worries.
18:03<dwk>hu: actually, maybe we should submit a bug report. If I opened one, would you add to it?
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18:04<hu>in my case pulseaudio was not installed, despite I chose desktop environment in the installation
18:04<hu>if you think its the same case, I am happy to add to it
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18:05<dwk>was roaraudio installed?
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18:09<magyar>hi, is there a replacement for gallery2 in debian wheezy?
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18:10<hu>dwk no it wasnt
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18:11<hu>dwk, roaraudio is not even installed now
18:12<dwk>so what worked? :)
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18:18<hu>dwk installing pulseaudio made the sound work
18:18<hu>I don't know why I need pulseaudio to play sounds tho
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18:21<dwk>hu: okay definitely different from my problem then (which was an xfce-related config issue for pulseaudio)
18:22<dwk>hu: pulseaudio is a sort of sink that can synthesize sounds from multiple programs at once
18:22<dwk>hu: it's pretty common so programs know how to talk to it. Without pulseaudio, they'd probably have to talk directly to alsa
18:22<hu>yes, but I don't know why alsa alone was not working
18:22<dwk>hu: and I guess maybe there's an issue with ALSA configuration and xfce. Xfce always seems to be one of the last desktop environments to get updated sound config
18:23<Vyrus001>question... why can I not apt-get install ruby1.9 on jessie?
18:24<hu>dwk I even tried to do services lightdm stop, and from shell without x perform a aplay, no luck
18:24<hu>so not 100% sure if it was related to xfce
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18:24<dwk>hu: I tried exactly the same thing :) I even booted into recovery mode and dumped stuff right into the sound device
18:25<dwk>hu: but for me the *problem* was pulseaudio, and removing it fixed things. hmm...
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18:25<mariano>que onda
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18:27<blast007>Vyrus001: testing/unstable support is at #debian-next
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18:31<lasagn4>how do i make it so a init.d kernal drive loads at boot?
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18:32<dwk>lasagn4: are you referring to a kernel's initrd (which contains initial setup code), or /etc/init.d (which contains scripts to run at boot time)?
18:33<lasagn4>it is /etc/init.d/vboxdrv
18:33<lasagn4>i have to do /etc/init.d/vboxdrv start , manually, and i am seeking to load it automically at start
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18:35<dwk>basically, you need to put symlinks in /etc/rc*.d. You can do it manually but if you don't know much about it, updaterc.d is the easier way. Let me look up the exact command
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18:35<hu>lasagna4 update-rc.d
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18:35<dwk>I think: update-rc.d vboxdrv enable
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18:36<hu>update-rc.d scriptname defaults
18:36<hu>will create symlinks for default runlevel
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18:51<debonaire>i just installed a 64 bit version of debian on this hp 2000-2b09wm laptop. i preserved the recovery partitions for windows 8 incase my friend decided that they wanted to go back to windows. when i boot though it says attempting automatic repair???? wth? should i just trash the windows partitions and reinstall?
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18:53<debonaire>the automatic repair fails anyway... so should i just trash the other partitions and reinstall debian?
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18:55<lasagn4>i try update.rcd vbox drv start and gives error: no runlevel symlinks to modify, i try update-rc.d and i get insserv rejected the script header
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18:59<debonaire>lasagn4, you freenode? try asking in #debian on freenode
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19:27<tnnn>debonaire: That machine is most likely using EFI boot. I'd check if it is not configured to boot from that recovery first and then double-check if grub was set up correctly (efi can be somewhat tricky). You can get some pinters here:
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19:30<cahewson>debootstrap can't retrive diffutils? want to move to wheezy. suggestions.
19:30<debonaire>tnnn, thanks. i trashed the windows partitions though and am reinstalling debian for a second time now. will see how it goes
19:30<debonaire>i disabled the efi stuff in the bios though and am doing legacy boot
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19:31<tnnn>debonaire: Ok, good luck then :)
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20:04<debonaire>tnnn, is that the correct thing to do? disable efi and use legacy?
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20:45<CyberBob>i've got nodm working in xfce4 but it broke mounting removable drives, any ideas?
20:46<CyberBob>well it broke mounting removable devices from the desktop, not CLI. so i'm guessing it's something lightdm did that nodm can't do but i have no idea
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21:07<aklix-dev>Hello! I am trying to prevent java from stealing my real IP. But I have no sucess so far. Anyone?
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21:14<aklix-dev>Is it possible for squid to prevent java from getting real IP? Or is it possible for iptables to do so? How?
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21:53<debonaire>aklix-dev, maybe the guys from freenet can help you figure that as i think freenet runs off of java anyway
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21:55<Colloguy>is there a package that shows changelogs corresponding to apt-get upgrade?
21:55<uso>Colloguy: apt-listchanges ?
21:56<uso>aklix-dev: what do you mean by "prevent java from getting real IP"?
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21:57<aklix-dev>Thanks, debonaire.
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21:58<Colloguy>uso: thanks. now I just need to wait for a package to get stale
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21:58<aklix-dev>uso, javascripts are able to bypass proxy server and get real ip address. That is why.
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22:01<uso>aklix-dev: java and javascript are different things, do you mean reading your client IP where you run your browser and send that to the webserver?
22:02<debonaire>java script is a client side scripting language used in web development. java is an object oriented programming language
22:03<debonaire>just use noscript to block scripts
22:03<oldlaptop>aklix-dev: The only way to make sure embedded javascript doesn't do anything nefarious is simply not run it
22:03<aklix-dev>Does squid can prevent this kind of javascript requests?
22:04<debonaire>o0o read wrong. i dont know much about how squid works
22:04<ixi>squid can be configured to publish X-Forwarded-For header
22:04<ixi>or not publish
22:04<aklix-dev>I would like to enable scripts but to prevent the leakage of ip.
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22:04<oldlaptop>I would like to have a cake and eat it too
22:05<aklix-dev>For me a pale ale.
22:05<oldlaptop>Any measure you take like that will have holes
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22:05<oldlaptop>you might be able to remove all JS from a page with squid... then you might as well turn it off in the browser
22:06<oldlaptop>IP leakage really is the least of your privacy/security worries with javascript
22:06<ixi>if you don't trust someone's javascript then don't run it
22:06<uso>aklix-dev: the best way I know is not to allow javascript :)
22:06<aklix-dev>It seens that vpn is the only solution.
22:06<ixi>solution to what?
22:06<oldlaptop>if you care about security that much, you have *no* business running random untrusted code
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22:07<aklix-dev>you are right. but i am not that paranoic.
22:07<oldlaptop>Read the JS to make sure you can trust it, decide you trust some given party not to be evil
22:07<ixi> > < aklix-dev> uso, javascripts are able to bypass proxy server and get real ip address. That is why.
22:07<oldlaptop>or don't run the JS
22:07<ixi>got proof ?
22:07<oldlaptop>ixi: arbitrary code on the client, I buy that it's possible to determine the machine's IP
22:08<oldlaptop>Meaningless in a NAT, perhaps
22:08<ixi>sandboxed javascript in browser...
22:08<ixi>is not arbitrary code.
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22:08<oldlaptop>hole in a sandbox is
22:08<oldlaptop>you honestly believe those sandboxes are airtight?
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22:08<ixi>aklix-dev do you have a hole in your sandbox?
22:09<ixi>oldlaptop please quote me as to where I stated such belief
22:09<oldlaptop>[22:08:14] <ixi> sandboxed javascript in browser...
22:09<oldlaptop>[22:08:18] <ixi> is not arbitrary code.
22:09<ixi>it is not.
22:09<oldlaptop>total sandboxing is a fantasy
22:09<oldlaptop>full VMs have containment vulnerabilities
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22:10<ixi>we can discuss your fantasies in #d-o if you want
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22:10<ixi>right now I still have the legitimate question to aklix-dev: do you have a hole in your sandbox
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22:13<ixi>well, unless aklix-dev provides more info -- and especially a sample of mentioned javascript that is "able to bypass proxy server and get real ip address"
22:13<ixi>then I think we're done here
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22:15<aklix-dev>no, i do not have that script.
22:15<aklix-dev>but it is possible to run tests.
22:15<ixi>what tests?
22:15<aklix-dev>for example:
22:17<aklix-dev>It shows the 'hole'.
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22:18<ixi>so that attempts to uhh
22:18<ixi>load some adobe flash applet
22:18<ixi>and use it in someway
22:18<ixi>it's not pure javascript
22:18<ixi>it loads flash.
22:18<ixi>don't load flash?
22:19<aklix-dev>yes, it does.
22:19<ixi>so what you are looking at has nothing to do with javascript or sandboxing javascript
22:20<ixi>you're loading someone's flash which is free to do as it pleases on your system
22:20<ixi>since it's a proprietary blob
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22:22<aklix-dev>I thought that iptables could deny a kind of request by javascript.
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22:22<ixi>your problem lies with flash
22:22<ixi>not with javascript
22:22<ixi>want me to repeat that?
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22:23<aklix-dev>so, disabling flash closes the 'hole'?
22:23<oldlaptop>This particular one, perhaps
22:23<ixi>one of them
22:23<oldlaptop>if you're this paranoid, *don't run javascript*
22:23<ixi>you might have others.
22:24<oldlaptop>don't even have flash installed
22:24<aklix-dev>i am not that paranoid.
22:24<oldlaptop>there is no magic 'make JS safe' or 'make flash save' iptables or squid rule
22:24<aklix-dev>perhaps vpn is the only solution.
22:24<oldlaptop>VPNs aren't magic make-everything-private-and-safe sauce either
22:24<ixi>if you are running untrusted code on your system you're screwed anyway
22:24<aklix-dev>that's right.
22:25<ixi>vpn or not
22:26<aklix-dev>but i still belive that iptables could deny flash or jvscp from getting more user's informations.
22:26<SamB>how so?
22:26<ixi>flash is unauditable black hole
22:27<SamB>how is the kernel supposed to know which packets come from flash?
22:27<aklix-dev>iptables to prevent that kind of information to leave the machine.
22:27<ixi>I'm done here
22:27<ixi>have fun guys
22:28<aklix-dev>that's all for me too. i have a long day tomorrow.
22:28<oldlaptop>aklix-dev: iptables is not magic
22:28<oldlaptop>It can't do that.
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22:29<aklix-dev>it would demand a search with a sniffer to see what kind of packages comes from flash and stuffs.
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22:30<oldlaptop>and if your brittle application-level firewall screws up just once...
22:30<oldlaptop>(not even considering the use of SSL and similar things)
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22:30<oldlaptop>don't run untrusted code.
22:30<oldlaptop>plain and simple
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22:31<uso>aklix-dev: flash can use the same connection you use with your browser to access the web, when you block that connection to prevent flash from sending your IP address your browser would not be able to get any web page to display for you, though you would be quite safe by blocking any web connections :P
22:31<aklix-dev>oldlaptop, you are right. but a lot of websites requires jvscpts.
22:32<Riviera>yeah and most require html
22:32<oldlaptop>I know, those web designers shoud be banned
22:32<Riviera>maybe don't process untrusted html as well
22:32<oldlaptop>javascript was the stupidest idea since activex
22:32<oldlaptop>WebGL has now taken that crown though
22:32<aklix-dev>uso, nice . . .
22:32<ixi>text/plain is where it's at
22:32<oldlaptop>amazingly they still have not quite surpassed activex
22:32<Riviera>debian sounds like a pretty insecure system, somehow, oldlaptop?
22:33<oldlaptop>the only secure system is the one that doesn't exist
22:33*ixi mutters something inaudible about intel's encrypted CPU firmware
22:33<Riviera>oh i was using "pretty," you know, to put things into relation to others, because most people do use javascript etc.
22:33<oldlaptop>it's also the case that no system can protect you from yourself
22:33<Riviera>but moot, i shut up.
22:34<oldlaptop>ixi: yes, insidious stuff
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22:34<oldlaptop>Riviera: doesn't matter how secure a system is if you simply MUST have your flashplayer
22:35<oldlaptop>javascript and the various "HTML5" messes requiring it are at least better than flashplayer
22:35<oldlaptop>but not by a whole lot (and webgl may well be worse)
22:36<ixi>there is a lot of funny new stuff in DOM
22:36<ixi>webgl is only one of them
22:36<oldlaptop>pure HTML is relatively safe; you'd have to exploit the HTML parser
22:36<oldlaptop>much like crafted images exploit image loading libraries
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22:37<ixi>webrtc I think will be even more fun
22:37<ixi>when they start to ship it
22:39<oldlaptop>depends on just how exploitable video drivers are
22:40<aklix-dev>wow! that is heavy stuff...
22:40<uso>the problem is not the technology but the people using it thoughtless, when nobody would have installed a flash plugin no web developer would have made flash sites, when nobody would play browser games webgl would be dead, ...
22:40<oldlaptop>dancing pigs
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22:50<MichaelPaoli>pm-hibernate on Debian GNU/Linux 7.6 (wheezy) ... if I'm adding swap after the initial install, what/where do I need to configure pm-utils config file(s) to know about what swap to save to? Just (re)run #dpkg-reconfigure pm-utils, or ??? And should I explicitly set the swapiness to 1 or 0?
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23:34<MichaelPaoli>Well, regarding "pm-hibernate on Debian GNU/Linux 7.6 (wheezy) ... if I'm adding swap after the initial install, what/where do I need to configure pm-utils config file(s) to know about what swap to save to? Just (re)run #dpkg-reconfigure pm-utils, or ??? And should I explicitly set the swapiness to 1 or 0?" ...
23:36<MichaelPaoli>... I think I more-or-less figured it out, ... seems to mostly just automagically work :-) ... even with swap being on encrypted LVM. I did set swappiness to 0, in case that's neeed, tweaked grub configuration and new initrd image, tried it out - and seems to just simply work. :-)
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23:48<CyberBob>i was going the wrong way on that one with nodm instead of just editing the auto login feature of lightdm
23:49<CyberBob>so nevermind me
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