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00:01<somiaj>yea seems my xterms are printing the pound symbol in place of the hash symbol, not sure why
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00:02<themill>yes that's a pound (as in currency) not a hash
00:02<themill>Is your keyboard layout wrong?
00:03<helium>how would i make an icon that when clicked would run the commands 'sudo aptitude update' and 'sudo aptitude upgrade'?
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00:04<somiaj>themill: it shouldn't be I checked my locales, they are all en_US.UTF-8, and the hash symbol shows up fine on a console and in gvim
00:04<somiaj>also when I cat a file with hashes in it, I see the pound symbols, but konw they are hashes
00:04<somiaj>so it is a visual thing (also I don't have that visual problem when I ssh into my irc box)
00:05<themill>keyboard layout not locales -- UK layout has £ on Shift+3 where as US layout has #
00:05<themill>oh. that's very weird
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00:08<themill>helium: create a .desktop file that as Terminal=true and the command is gksu apt-get update etc
00:09<themill>helium: copying an existing .desktop file is probably a good start.. but http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s05.html is helpful. I'm assuming that whatever window manager you're using implements the xdg .desktop spec...
00:10<themill>and the desktop-file-validate utility from desktop-file-utils can be helpful for sanity checking
00:11<somiaj>yes looks like a display issue with xterm, any idea on how to better debug it, but gvim and chromium input boxes all show the correct symbol.
00:12<helium>themill would you happen to know where i could find a .desktop file to model what i am trying to do after?
00:15<themill>locate -0 .desktop | xargs -0 grep su-to-root (su-to-root is normally used in packages to be desktop-agnostic)
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00:21<helium>themill ok i tried to find something from there but was unsuccessful, ive read through the webpage you directed me to but i dont understand how to use the information to make it do what i want, do you know what i would search for on the web to find an example that could give me kind of a line-by-line breakdown of what must be done?
00:21<themill>somiaj: is it a font selection issue? there were (are?) fonts around that would have different glyphs in different places to match a specific character encoding (and yes, there are character encodings where # £ are the same code point)
00:22<somiaj>themill: it could be, I didn't think of that.
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00:24<Psil0Cybin>hey guys i am using an acer aspire one, d270 everything works fine with debian wheezy 7 except i cannot get my screen to dim using the function keys, syslog records the keys being hit and says it does not recognize acer_wmi, i have changed grub to acpi_backlight=vendor and acpi_os=Linux
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00:29<somiaj>themill: correct, it was a fonts issue.
00:30<themill>helium: something like http://paste.debian.net/115854/
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00:30<themill>somiaj: yay!
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00:34<helium>themill, wow, i was totally going in the wrong direction, never would have come up with something like that, thx much
00:35<helium>themill what extension does the filename need to be executable?
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00:36<AtomicSpark>Was SSL Forward Secrecy backported to/patched into Apache 2.2? Or is my SSL test lying to me?
00:37<themill>helium: executability isn't related to extensions but a fdo-xdg compliant environment would normally hide the .desktop extension and show just the "Name" as the icon label. (with that #! line it can also just be called anything you like and marked as executable but your DE might not show it to you nicely)
00:37<gsimmons>AtomicSpark: It was ; /msg dpkg apache2 ecc
00:37<uso>somiaj: was it an iso8859 or an utf-8 font which caused that problem?
00:38<AtomicSpark>gsimmons: Awesome, thanks.
00:38<somiaj>uso: not really sure, copied over my .Xdefaults from another install and it was using a font I didn't have installed. I changed it to a valid font and it seemed to fix the issue
00:39<uso>ah ok
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00:40<somiaj>It was sed to Lucida Console which makes me think it was an msttf font, but I didn't want to try to track it down.
00:41<uso>somiaj: doesn't matter, was just for curiosity
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02:21<Psil0Cybin>is this a debian support question
02:21<Psil0Cybin>hey guys i am using an acer aspire one, d270 everything works fine with debian wheezy 7 except i cannot get my screen to dim using the function keys, syslog records the keys being hit and says it does not recognize acer_wmi, i have changed grub to acpi_backlight=vendor and acpi_os=Linux everything else in debian works perfectly so i am confused
02:21<Psil0Cybin>i just found out that running this command actually works (setpci -s 00:02.0 F4.B=)
02:22<Psil0Cybin>but i cannot figure out how to impliment a script that would replace the default acer_wms or what ever that program is specifically called that originally handles the function keys dimming requests, i can see the GUI with the sun and sliders but it wont actually dim anything
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02:35<birch>Psil0Cybin, i had a similar problem with my acer aspire one. but i'm too tired to remember what my fix was.
02:35<birch>ok, i'm too drunk to remember.
02:36*birch lowers his head in shame
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02:37<Psil0Cybin>birch, you know what, no shame here! I will wait till you sober up just remember my nickname and that i asked you LOL!
02:37<Psil0Cybin>but your help would actually make my day, and no joke ill buy you a round :D
02:38<birch>lol, k. i just checked my su history and my fix was before i cleared it at some point. i'll do some searching my bookmarks tomorrow to see if i saved it there.
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02:38<Psil0Cybin>okay thank you so much honestly..could not ask for anything more!
02:38<birch>i remember it was using nano to edit a settings file but i can't remember the file. if i can i'll spot the change.
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02:39<Psil0Cybin>dont worry dont try and rmemeber it now, keep ur buzz haha just help me when you can :D actually
02:39<Psil0Cybin>would be soo appreciated.
02:39<birch>if not, i'll ping the top 5 people most likely to have helped me with it, then you can buy them the round instead lol
02:39<Psil0Cybin>wow you actually rock man...ty
02:39<birch>yup
02:39<birch>night
02:39<Psil0Cybin>gnite man
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03:16<helmut_>hi
03:17<DrunkWithPower>HI
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03:50<debi1>hi! can i ask for help here?
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03:51<ixi>!ask
03:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
03:52<debi1>ok wait a sec i try something else again and ask
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04:06<debi1>i can't compile acpi_call module to disable discrete graphics
04:07<debi1>i cloned https://github.com/mkottman/acpi_call.git
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04:07<debi1>and after that entered the dir. after that i used "make" command
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04:08<debi1>it says me "there is no rule to compile target 'modules'"
04:08<debi1>could you help me?
04:10<debi1>i also installed linux-headers or necessary dependencies
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04:12<debi1>anyone ever compiled acpi_call module here?
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04:14<debi1>or let me ask my question in another way http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=75996
04:15<debi1>in that thread, what does "I created a symlink to /lib/src/linux-headers and now make compiled the module." mean? how can i create symlink stuff?
04:15<CyberBob>i've got the right xrandr line to configure my dual displays but xfce tends to want to ignore everything i've tried so far. is there a way to set the xrandr line before lightdm?
04:16<ceipha>Hey! I run Wheezy with Gnome, and recently it started to shutdown straight after going out of suspend. I've figured out that it only happens when I suspend the computer with the power button. If I choose "Suspend" from the top meny, it will go out of suspend normally afterwards. I fail to find out what's happening, and I can't find anything on the Internet. Any ideas?
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04:21<debi1>:(
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04:24<CyberBob>holy holy
04:24<babilen>debi1: Just run "make -j $(nproc)" (or leave out the "-j $(nproc)" to not compile in parallel)
04:24<CyberBob>i got it to work
04:24<babilen>Ah, lovely
04:24<xiqy>everytime
04:25<CyberBob>that only took me 3 or 4 hours
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04:27<babilen>CyberBob: fwiw, the way to go about this is to enter the respective settings into a file in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ (say 25-display.conf) with the right settings (e.g. a Display section)
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04:29<babilen>Depending on what you want to configure you end up with something along the lines of http://paste.debian.net/115862/
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04:37<kitto>hey guys I'm trying to install debian from my USB flashdrive. when I try it says it cannot find CD/DVD.
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04:38<babilen>kitto: How did you write the image (which image?) to your USB ?
04:38<kitto>from LMDE disk image writer
04:38<kitto>well USB image writer
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04:39<kitto>babilen: it loads up to the install part but that's about it.
04:39<kitto>and it was a mirror from the USA
04:40<babilen>So, what's the name of you image and would you mind writing it in the way discussed in the install guide?
04:40<babilen>dpkg: tell kitto -about usb install
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04:41<CyberBob>babilen i thought xorg.conf was deprecated for xrandr
04:41<CyberBob>which is the only reason i'm using it
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04:41<babilen>dpkg: You would, essentially, just run "dmesg|tail -n23" directly after plugging in the stick and then find the device node for it. That should be something like /dev/sdb and you would then write it with "cp /path/to/the/image.iso /dev/sdb ; sync"
04:41<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
04:41<babilen>kitto: ^^^
04:42<kitto>ah ok thanks
04:42<babilen>CyberBob: It is not and the right place for "permanent" changes. Please note that I am also not referring to /etc/X11/xorg.conf but to the approach of using specific/minimal files in /etc/X11/xorg conf.d/
04:43<babilen>kitto: But which image did you use?
04:44<kitto>babilen: hold on I'll find it
04:44<CyberBob>anyhoo if my primary display is not on when it boots (kvm is mostly somewhere else) it only shows up on the (smaller, secondary) screen despite my changes
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04:45<CyberBob>ah i'll try that babilen
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04:46<babilen>dpkg: tell CyberBob -about empty xorg.conf
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04:46<babilen>dpkg: tell CyberBob -about xorg.conf.d
04:47<babilen>That's the background to "Do not use /etc/X11/xorg.conf" -- The motivation is simply to only configure what has to be configured and leave the rest to Xorg's autoconfiguration.
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05:19<thautane>Anyone who could help with wheezy? AMD driver installation wants headers to be installed, but can't seem to get the package installed even by forcing.
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05:21<kitto>babilen: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/jigdo-dvd/
05:22<kitto>I got it to work by the way but can't get the network to work.
05:22<kitto>it says it needs non-free software
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05:32<CyberBob>looks like not much can be done with xfce about not having your intended primary monitor connected throughout boot
05:32<CyberBob>so i just threw the xrandr line in a panel icon
05:34<CyberBob>which would only be used when working on my deb desktop after booting without a monitor or when ac power recovery does it's thing
05:35<musca>CyberBob: you can use monitor sections in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
05:35<CyberBob>i've been fussing over this too much. time for a break. ty babilen
05:36<musca>oh, you mean your system is litterally not connected.
05:36<CyberBob>musca tried that has the exact same issue
05:36<CyberBob>yup kvm
05:37<musca>well ... use remote sessions. Headless systems are normal today.
05:38<CyberBob>i do a lot
05:38<nonedead>Jesus, I2O and Debian do not like each other...
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05:38<CyberBob>it's my main ssh server as well
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05:48<kitto>wow I just wiped out my entire laptop I think
05:48<musca>CyberBob: i just disabled my primary monitor. All applications were moved to the second monitor including the panel. Also reversing the action was possible. On the downside: i'm not using xfce but KDE.
05:48<kitto>I need help
05:48<babilen>dpkg: tell kitto -about firmware image
05:49<kitto>I was in the middle of installing debian and I had it encrypt the disk and after I encrypted it I didn't pick a partitian.
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05:49<kitto>I restarted the laptop and now nothing loads on my laptop other than a black screen with a blinking cursor
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05:51<CyberBob>yeah musca conservation of resources is a must for running 2/3 of my ram 24/7
05:51<CyberBob>thus xfce
05:53<musca>well, it's a bit strange to talk about 24/7 requirements and not being able to let the display stay connected.
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05:57<kitto>my flashdrive is locked now because of the unfinished installation
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05:58<kitto>I was in the middle of partitianing but instead I wanted to go back and just install it on the entire system but it wouldn't let me so I aborted the installation thinking I can start all over again. but when I rebooted my laptop it couldn't load anything.
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05:59<CyberBob>musca i don't have enough monitors to dedicate one to each box, i use a kvm. so do most racks. i don't see anything strange with that...but we're off-topic. let's let the channel for helping others :]
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06:01<CyberBob>kitto try again from reimaged stick?
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06:27<Guest716>hey guys I'm having problems trying to install debian. I'm on the live cd and when I click on install Debian it buffers then nothing happens.
06:28<Guest716>and up top it says "Debian Live user" and for that it says "unavailable"
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06:29<kb51>Lookinf for a channel dedicated to bodhi Linux
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06:33<kb51>Am looking for way to fix Chromium does not want to install pepper-flash-plugin-nonfree or any other extensions for that matter. I keep getting a yellow bar with ERROR messages.
06:33<gnugr>kb51: #bodhilinux on freenode.net
06:34<kb51>Ok thanks.
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06:37<Guest716>can anyone help? I'm trying to install debian from the live CD if it's possible
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06:56<rustyraptor>hi
06:57<rustyraptor>why is this happening when I run python and other programs
06:57<rustyraptor>http://pastebin.com/9fZ7iYsA
06:57<rustyraptor>it also pops up in apt http://pastebin.com/v2weyQ06
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06:57<rustyraptor>it's an error I had with a python script previously
06:58<rustyraptor>but now it is showing up with no relevance to the program
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07:01<mpourhadi>hey guys i really have problem with my sound card, sometimes its works like a charm sometimes it mix with skype and now its now working at all what should i do ?
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07:03<devil>mpourhadi: ŵhy double post?
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07:05<mpourhadi>devil, wat?
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07:05<devil>you post in #debian and #debian-next
07:06<rustyraptor>lol
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07:07<mpourhadi>becuz sometimes i get answer from #debian and sometimes from #debian-next
07:08<devil>mpourhadi: well, now noone knows if you use stable or testing/unstable. so please post only where appropriate. thank you
07:09<mpourhadi>devil, i user testing
07:09<devil>so post only in #debian-next in the future
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07:12<mpourhadi>ok how can i fix the issue :D?
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07:14<devil>mpourhadi: you do not even check for answers
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07:21<lau>trying to create an apt repository (see http://dpaste.com/359AERA) , I get the following "dpkg-scanpackages warning packages in override file but not in archive" any idea to fix this warning ?
07:21<valdyn>lau: why fix it?
07:21<valdyn>lau: its a warning and its describing a fact, why fix it?
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07:23<lau>if I remove the mhonarc part in pool/main/ en use the same genmirror.sh script I get no warning at all
07:25<lau>it looks like this warning is related to spurious packages but what does this mean exactly ?
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07:28<valdyn>lau: does your line 44 really do what you think it does?
07:30<lau>I am going to check. The override file generated is http://dpaste.com/1EHVQ46
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07:35<valdyn>lau: im lazy to debug this, i thought the ~ is producing the error
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07:45<lau>good catch valdyn, it looks like the tilde is producing the error
07:47<lau>I use this --local version with tilde as explained https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
07:48<lau>dch --local ~bpo70+ --distribution wheezy-backports "Rebuild for wheezy-backports."
07:48<lau>I am reading the Debian policy but does not see anything against using ~
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08:03<foffa>I need to log in as root .. how ?
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08:09<CyberBob>foffa are you using debian stable?
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08:25<hu>Hello, my sound stop working yesterday, apparently for no reason. I have pusleaudio and alsa installed any idea what the problem could be?
08:27<TeAr>brouwser dont open
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08:38<mpourhadi>how can i install latest libreoffice is there a repo? i use 3.5
08:38<Brigo>mpourhadi, check backports
08:38<Brigo>hu, my first guess will be the wires :)
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10:45<Hubro>Anybody here who can help me? I'm running Debian testing (lenny/sid) and trying to install cryptkeeper, but it doesn't appear to be in the PPAs
10:45<Hubro>Although it appears to me that it should be there: https://packages.debian.org/source/sid/cryptkeeper
10:45<f-a>Hubro: I guess you should ask in #debian-next
10:46<Hubro>alright
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10:52<gregor2>ihi
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10:56<debleo>hi guys i am setting up a active directory with samba on debian and have some errors only administrator login on windows boxes any other user receive a messas about trust for machine any help about
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13:17<kitto>I tried to install debian from my USB drive 3 times said no files were found tried from debian 7.0 I couldn't install it now it won't recognize the USB flashdrive. I tried installing fedora it came up with an error duing the installation process nothing's working.
13:17<kitto>I'm stuck on gnewsense on my old laptop.
13:19<kitto>the USB debian flashdrive says "no default or UI configuration directive found"
13:19<kitto>worked fine before I was on the live CD now it's not working
13:20<birch>kitto, maybe the usb drive is defective. some older ones aren't good for installing with.
13:20<kitto>I'm using a 64 bit laptop it should work. I have debian 7.0 on both flashdrive and CD. I don't have any other well I have the same flashdrive type.
13:21<birch>try another usb drive. or try that one on a different computer. try a different port, etc. rule out hardware problems. it could also have been the way you put debian on the usb drive. which instructions did you follow?
13:21<kitto>the debian 7.6 flashdrive came up with errors saying could not find. I installed it through unetbootin
13:21<kitto>and I took the DVD iso from a mirror
13:22<kitto>I can't remember which mirror but it was from the US
13:22<flips^>just dd the image to the usb drive should work?
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13:23<birch>did you install it onto the usb drive to be bootable from the usb drive, or just as an install disk? you should have done the latter.
13:23<jmcnaught>kitto: unetbootin often breaks the debian installer images. The installation guide says to use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX ; sync" (cp is easier than dd). I had a similar error message once that turned out to simply be a bad stick, but try with cp instead of unetbootin
13:23<kitto>ah
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13:24<flips^>cp if probably much faster too
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13:36<kitto>what mirror should I use?
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13:37<sney>http.debian.net
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13:38<babilen>flips^: It is (as it adjusts the blocksize on the fly)
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13:49<nono>Hey there o/
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13:50<kitto>jmcnaught: do I first install a debian mirror and then perform the cp and in place of "debian.iso" I replace it with the iso version right?
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13:51<nono>Xen issue : I've a little issue with a migrating. I can correctly (live) migrate my vm on another server (with a different storage also !), it running well, but once I restared it, it crash
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13:52<jmcnaught>kitto: first you download an appropriate installer iso image, then you use the cp command to copy it to the USB stick, substituting "debian.iso" with the full file name. The relevant chapter of the install guide is here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en but you should consider reading the rest of the install guide, especially if you're having trouble figuring it out :)
13:53<kitto>ah ok thanks for the help
13:53<kitto>sorry I've been really frustrated with all of this. I just wanted to replace LMDE with debian for security reasons
13:54<jmcnaught>kitto: no worries. that's why there's an install manual, so people will know how to use the installer :)
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14:00<kitto>jmcnaught: for the sdX section would it be something like sda or sda1?
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14:01<sney>kitto: sda.
14:01<sney>write to the whole device, not a partition. if you write to a partition it won't boot
14:01<kitto>sney: k thanks
14:02<kitto>k
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14:17<sdaugherty>Ok. Having trouble with a laptop that worked fine back in squeeze. Updating to wheezy or sid it hangs during boot, even in single user mode, and will not even respond to magic SysRq keystrokes, but it will boot fine with init=/bin/sh
14:18<sney>sid is a bit of a mess right now but wheezy should be ok. how old is the laptop?
14:18<sney>and if you boot without the 'quiet' option does it give any possibly relevant warnings/errors?
14:20<sdaugherty>it's a gateway ml3109
14:20<sney>pretend that I don't have every laptop model from the past ~15 years memorized
14:20<sdaugherty>and I'm not seeing anything unusual - the hang is about 2-3 seconds after being presented with the login.
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14:21<sdaugherty>if I'm really fast, I can log in but can't get any further.
14:21<sdaugherty>hold on, lemme google, I don't remember how old this thing is.
14:22<sney>what cpu does it have / is there a "designed for windows $version" sticker on it
14:22<sdaugherty>stickers have been removed
14:22<sney>and is there anything if you boot without quiet?
14:22<sney>and is this a fresh wheezy install or an upgrade from squeeze?
14:22<sdaugherty>celeron m520
14:23<sdaugherty>and it was an upgrade, tried the wheezy upgrade first, then went forward to sid to see if there had been anything fixed that would affect it.
14:23<sney>ok, 7-8 years old, sufficiently modern for linux's purposes
14:24<sdaugherty>booting without quiet gave, basically same noise I got before.
14:24<sney>same noise ?
14:25<sdaugherty>ie, nothing that stands out, the usual device probing and module loading messages
14:25<sdaugherty>and services starting.
14:26<sney>hmm
14:26<sney>try a wheezy live image from live.debian.net, see if that boots properly
14:26<sdaugherty>ok, will have to burn one.
14:26<sdaugherty>thanks.
14:27<sney>works as a usb image too
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14:29<ompaul>has memtest been run?
14:30<sdaugherty>memtest has been run overnight with no issues found :/
14:32<sdaugherty>http://pastebin.com/m6PA3njz
14:32<sdaugherty>dmesg ^
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14:33<ompaul>why use pastebin with it's spammy output rather than http://paste.debian.etn
14:33<ompaul>maybe even
14:33<sney>nice typo
14:33<ompaul>http://paste.debian.net
14:33<babilen>s/etn/net
14:33<sdaugherty>does pastebinit work with that?
14:33<sney>sdaugherty: anyway that looks fine so it's likely some service
14:33<ompaul>sney: maybe
14:33<sney>pastebinit defaults to paste.debian.net in wheezy and up, last I checked. (or you can -b paste.debian.net)
14:34<ompaul>ssh in from outside
14:36<ompaul>vista box with 1/2 a gig or ram and 80 gig pata the celery was running at 1.6ghz pretty slow box from 2007 which is beyond mtbf ime by two years
14:37<ompaul>sdaugherty: can you ssh in?
14:37<sdaugherty>I can if I start sshd
14:38<ompaul>it should be running if you have it on the box
14:38<sdaugherty>I started it with a shell as my init
14:38<ompaul>apt-get update
14:38<sdaugherty>that's the only way it doesn't hang
14:38<ompaul>is it still up?
14:38<ompaul>so it's not likely to be hardware
14:39<oldlaptop>sdaugherty: at what point does it hang?
14:39<sdaugherty>yeah, I'm on it right now.
14:39<ompaul>so you had / have a strange configuration
14:39<oldlaptop>What service is it trying to start?
14:39<sdaugherty>2-3 seconds after the login prompt.
14:39<sdaugherty>and it doesn't show what it's trying to start :(
14:39<oldlaptop>ah
14:40<oldlaptop>well, it will have started everything by then
14:40<sdaugherty>it's happening in single user mode and in normal graphical boot to xdm
14:41<ompaul>it is working in single user mode?
14:41<oldlaptop>he's said it isn't
14:41<oldlaptop>multiple times
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14:42<sdaugherty>single user mode hangs too. I can get through the login prompt if I'm fast, but still hangs.
14:42<ompaul>oldlaptop: we got a dmesg
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14:42<ompaul>is that as the user root?
14:42<oldlaptop>he's said he booted with init=/bin/sh
14:42<oldlaptop>several times
14:43<sdaugherty>that dmesg was taken via root, I ran screen and su'd to another user because irc as root=bad :P
14:43<ompaul>oldlaptop: he also said [16/08/14 19:38:29] <sdaugherty> I started it with a shell as my init [16/08/14 19:38:45] <sdaugherty> that's the only way it doesn't hang [16/08/14 19:39:08] <sdaugherty> yeah, I'm on it right now.
14:43<oldlaptop>yes...
14:43<ompaul>so therefore it is not hanging right now
14:44<ompaul>we got dmseg - what is running now not later
14:44<sdaugherty>correct, I'm able to get into it, but something some service is doing has to be hanging it.
14:45<ompaul>not if X is starting that is the last part of anything
14:45<ompaul>unless the graphic card is failing now
14:45<ompaul>and you are not challenging it right now
14:46<sdaugherty>but X doesn't start in single user mode, and it still hangs there.
14:46<ompaul>which X are you trying to run
14:46<ompaul>as in which DE
14:46<sdaugherty>there's lxde on here.
14:47<ompaul>please tell us the answer to the line apt-cache policy lxde | grep installed
14:47<sdaugherty>also, ram's been upgraded to 1.5G, so not an out of memory problem
14:47<ompaul>please tell us the answer to the line apt-cache policy lxde | grep Installed
14:48<ompaul>sorry needs a capital I
14:48<sdaugherty>4+nmu1
14:48<oldlaptop>have you looked at system logs? /var/log/messages, /var/log/daemon.log, etc
14:48<ompaul>that's right
14:48*ompaul suspects something in the h/w is too old and wants to die quitely
14:48<ompaul>quietly
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14:56<sdaugherty>paste.debian.net/115925 /var/log/messages , appears to be useless
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14:57<sdaugherty>ompaul: I'm starting to suspect you are right, whatever this is is doing it very quietly :/
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14:59<ompaul>sdaugherty: three things I'd do, 1) remove the ram a stick at a time - just in case when it tries doing it while running hot it does it wrong (memtest is not the only test) 2) stick the disk in a friends laptop 3) get the data off the disk anyway as a backup
15:00<babilen>sdaugherty: Do you have a suitable microcode package installed and when did you last upgrade the firmware?
15:01<sdaugherty>no clue when FW was last updated, i'll check that.
15:01<sdaugherty>data's already backed up to a network hard drive
15:03<sdaugherty>thanks
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15:08<FlickaBic>Hey everyone, Having a couple issues here. I just switched to debian from windows. I have used GNU/linux before on servers and laptops but never on my desktop. The first and most frustrating issue is my mouse pointer. The focus seems to get stuck within a window, I can only escape by right clicking before I left click, and sometimes that's iffy. I read a couple forums where they blamed the xserver-xorg synaptics pointer dr
15:08<FlickaBic>iver. I removed that and it seems to fix the issue. After a reboot my computer would not startx. Now on top of the pointer issue I am having video driver issues / confusion. Any help is appreciated.
15:09<FlickaBic>I followed multiple forums to remove fglrx (2 ati radeon 6870s)
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15:13<FlickaBic>help
15:13<FlickaBic>Sorry, that wasn't meant for this chat
15:14<FlickaBic> help
15:14<FlickaBic>Damnit
15:15<sney>what debian version? when you removed xserver-xorg-input-synaptics did it autoremove other stuff too?
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15:16<babilen>And how did you install/remove "fglrx" ?
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15:19<FlickaBic>Stable 7, and no I did not remove other stuff too. But I have reinstalled and uninstalled x since. I did go through all the steps as listed here http://askubuntu.com/questions/78675/how-do-i-remove-the-fglrx-drivers-after-ive-installed-them-by-hand to remove fglrx, although when I try to reinstall the driver package the installer says I already have the drivers installed.
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15:19<FlickaBic>the fglrx driver package*
15:19<FlickaBic>but the pointer issue was that way out of the box
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15:21<sney>askubuntu? this is #debian
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15:21<FlickaBic> debian
15:22<sney>so why would you follow ubuntu documentation
15:22<babilen>Also, fglrx is packaged in Debian. Its installation is detailed on https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
15:22<FlickaBic>Sorry, im trying to google as much as I can, and the pointer is getting stuck in the chat box...
15:22<FlickaBic>thats what I followd to install the fglrx driver
15:22<FlickaBic>the debian link
15:22<babilen>So the instructions you followed there are unfortunately completely inappropriate
15:23<babilen>(as you didn't use the .run either)
15:23<FlickaBic>Thats also what I read, and to instead install from the the package the ati site proived
15:25<babilen>No, doing that is a horrible idea
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15:26<babilen>Their installer breaks the setup in subtle ways (they replace libraries, remove symlinks, ...)
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15:26<FlickaBic>Alright, I feel like I'm doing everything wrong here. Do you think I've already gone too far down the rabbit hole. should I just start over?
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15:28<FlickaBic>Or is there a better set of instructions. Or even a guide to help me understand why or what I should do different
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15:31<FlickaBic>And from everything I've read the mouse pointer getting stuck in a window thing got fixed back in oh-10
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15:36<babilen>FlickaBic: I'm not sure what you have done and what the implications of that are. It sounds as if you kept following random instructions on the interweb for quite some time and your system might therefore be in an equally random state. Solving this might just be very easy, but we typically start from a well defined state and then try to understand what's going on.
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15:38<kitto>for the "mount /dev/sdX2 /mnt" would that be sda2?
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15:40<sney>a or b or whatever your disk is designated as, yes
15:41<FlickaBic>http://pastebin.com/Bq5b0HSR this is my xorg log, it looks like I have the fglrx driver installed. The 2 pages linked are the only instructions I followed. besides removing the one synaptic driver, of which is still removed. Lets pretend for a second I had a fresh install. What would cause the mouse thing, because thats the first issue I'm gonna run into
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15:44<babilen>mmh, backtrace
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15:49<kitto>Ok I'm having problems. when I executed mount /dev/sda2 /mnt it gave me a list of commands
15:51<kitto>"you must specify the file type"
15:51<FlickaBic>linux
15:51<FlickaBic>ignore (sorry)
15:51<sney>kitto: so specify the file type. -t type
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15:51<sney>fat32 is vfat, linux partitions are usually ext3 or ext4, etc
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15:54<FlickaBic>http://www.backtrack-linux.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54657&s=aca6869123e8ac3e9ac9cc63fd9e8d30 this is my problem with the mouse. I have to right click then left click to escape
15:54<nono>someone's familiar with xen ?
15:55<devil>metaquestion
15:55<oldlaptop>there exist in this universe people familiar with xen, yes
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15:56<planetmaker>:)
15:56<planetmaker>!ask
15:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:58<rhollencamp>having an odd issue with sudo; I created a new user (adduser rhollencamp), added them to sudo group (gpasswd -a rhollencamp sudo), log in as new user but can't use sudo (user not in sudoers file)
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15:58<nono>Xen issue : I've a little issue with a migrating. I can correctly (live) migrate my vm on another server (with a different storage also !), it running well, but once I restared it, it crash
15:58<babilen>rhollencamp: fwiw, "adderuser USER sudo" can be used
15:59<kitto>sney: "unknown file system type 'type'" I did and nothing happened
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15:59<babilen>rhollencamp: Err, "adduser USER sudo" naturally. Is that user a member of that group? (run "id" as user) and paste your sudoers to http://paste.debian.net
15:59<nono>oldlaptop, planetmaker already explained/asked 2h ago, that's why ;-)
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16:02<rhollencamp>babilen: http://paste.debian.net/115935/
16:04<babilen>rhollencamp: You want that to be "%sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL" if you want to grant that to members of the group "sudo" rather than the user "sudo"
16:05<rhollencamp>babilen: thanks, that does it
16:05<babilen>rhollencamp: Unfortunately I cannot be sure that that entry isn't in there as your "grep ^sudo" wouldn't have matched it.
16:05<babilen>np
16:06<kitto>http://dpaste.com/1R4HG99
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16:08<mvdwege_>hmm
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16:11<planetmaker>nono, that must be something special I think. We did the same for a server two months ago and it works fine. Though I'm honestly not sure whether we restarted it since
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16:14<nono>the other thing is that my vm is on state "b"
16:14<nono>and, in my old server it was on state "r"
16:14<FlickaBic>Would this be an acceptable guide to follow to install the ATI drivers. http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-ati-fglrx-driver-in-debian.html If not what steps should I take
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16:19<kitto>do I need to format my USB flashdrive? it already has gnewsense on it
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16:23<kitto>my pannel just dissappeared
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16:23<kitto>I was clicking to edit it because I went to click on the menu and it vanished
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16:27<kitto>can someone help?
16:27<kitto>I'm stuck
16:27<kitto>http://dpaste.com/1R4HG99 this is my problem selecting the file type
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16:28<kitto>and my control pannel is gone it just dissappeared
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16:29<devil>well, your filesystem is b0rked. control panel is another issue
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16:36<kitto>that sucks
16:37<kitto>devil: I can't even start up debian on my other laptop. I can startup fedora fine but I can't install it
16:37<kitto>it gives me an error
16:38<kitto>today is just getting worse and worse for me..
16:38<kitto>all because I tried to replace LMDE with debian
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16:48<kitto>I ruined my flashdrive
16:48<kitto>it says debian 7.6.0 M-A.1 but it's encrypted so I can't access it or format it
16:49<oldlaptop>...encrypted?
16:50<kitto>oldlaptop: yea I was in the middle of installing debian and I had problems so I cancled the install but that was after I selected it to be encrypted I thought it would undo all that and I could start from scratch
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16:50<oldlaptop>you need to undo that yourself then
16:50<kitto>but it didn't work out that way so now when I try to load from my flashdrive it just says files can't be found
16:50<kitto>how?
16:51<oldlaptop>You are trying to install to a flash drive?
16:51<kitto>it was already on a flashdrive
16:51<kitto>I was installing it from the flashdrive
16:51<kitto>and got to the encrypt the entire disk part and then aborted
16:52<kitto>and it wiped out my LMDE distro
16:52<kitto>also I almost had fedora installed up to creating a pw and username but gave me an error so it forced me out
16:53<kitto>right now I'm stuck on gnewsense linux on my 10 year old laptop
16:53<oldlaptop>the machine won't boot from the thumbdrive now?
16:53<kitto>nope
16:53<oldlaptop>write the ISO image to it again, and start over
16:54<oldlaptop>your hard disk is most probably trashed already
16:54<kitto>eh I can't
16:54<kitto>http://dpaste.com/1R4HG99
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16:54<kitto>I'm stuck
16:55<oldlaptop>you do know you don't have to mount the thing to write an ISO image to it, right?
16:55<oldlaptop>how did you set it up last time?
16:56<kitto>unetbootin and image writer
16:56<kitto>unetbootin broke the flashdrive
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16:57<flips^>then just cp debian.iso /dev/sdX (where sdX is the device name of your broken flash)
16:58<kitto>I tried that I got stuck
16:58<kitto>it said wrong file type
16:58<oldlaptop>never use unetbootin
16:58<kitto>I tried mount -t ext4 and vfat
16:59<flips^>don't mount
16:59<flips^>just cp
16:59<oldlaptop>unetbootin and Debian's hybrid ISO images do *not* get along
16:59<kitto>ok x.x thanks for the heads up
16:59<towo`>isohybrid images never play nice with unetbootin
16:59<kitto>LMDE is letting me format the usb flashdrive do I format it as FAT32?
16:59<oldlaptop>dpkg: tell kitto about unetbootin
16:59<oldlaptop>don't format it
17:00<kitto>k just write over it then?
17:00<oldlaptop>Yes
17:00<oldlaptop>an ISO image is essentially a ready-made filesystem (so "preformatted" in that way)
17:01<oldlaptop>Hybrid ISO images (like debian now distributes) are special; through a variety of dirty tricks they are ready to simply write directly to a USB stick without any fooling around
17:01<oldlaptop>(stuff like unetbootin only screws things up)
17:02<kitto>ok
17:03<flips^>if the laptop is too old to boot off usb drives made with the cp method, there is a way described in the documentation on how you zcat boot.img.gz to the device and then copy the iso over ...
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17:04<kitto>oldlaptop: so question. what do I do after executing the command "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX"?
17:04<oldlaptop>you boot from the thumbdrive
17:04<oldlaptop>(meaning you're done already :))
17:04<kitto>ah ok
17:04<oldlaptop>You could mount it now and look around if you want
17:04<kitto>I was told to mount and that's what got me stuck
17:05<kitto>I'm just waiting for the iso imgge to be done downloading.
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17:10<dvs>kitto: Try "sync"
17:10<dvs>because all the data may not have been written
17:11<dvs>kitto: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
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17:12<kitto>dvs: ok thanks
17:15<kitto>how do I get my control pannel back? It vanished when I touched the menu
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17:17<devil>what is 'my control panel'?
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17:18<kitto>I mean the tool bar the main pannel with the start menu
17:19<kitto>I can't see the tool bar at the bottom of the screen to access anything
17:19<kitto>all I can see is docky
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17:21<kitto>also I have 2 flashdrives in right now one is keeping LMDE up and the other has the flashdrive I want to use for the iso image how would I determine which the sda is pointing towards?
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17:23<devil>kitto: we need to know what DE you use to know what you are talking about
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17:24<devil>kitto: ....how would I determine which the sda is pointing towards? <== can you explain what you mean by this?
17:25<kitto>devil: nevermind. and it's gnewsense xfce desktop
17:25<devil>kitto: to put the image on your stick, you use: dd if=/location/of/ISO of=/dev/sdX
17:25<devil>kitto: i thought you were using debian?
17:25<devil>find out with fdisk -l what the X is
17:25<kitto>no debian is what I want to install on my other laptop
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17:26<kitto>ah ok
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17:26<devil>and you need to use the raw device address, likie sde, not a partition. like sde1
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17:29<kitto>devil: ok that much I understand about not being the partition
17:30<kitto>devil: ok it's identified more than 2 devices strangely
17:30<devil>what has? fdisk -l?
17:31<kitto>2 of them say "empty" though out of 4
17:31<kitto>yes
17:31<devil>well, it shows all your disks
17:31<devil>look at the sizes to identify the right one
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17:35<kitto>devil: 3 slots say debian 7.6
17:35<kitto>2 are empty
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17:35<devil>slots?
17:35<kitto>and they're encrypted
17:35<devil>plesase pastebin the output
17:35<kitto>ok
17:36<kitto>I'll show you the screen shot of the thing I'm refering to also
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17:39<skibur>In reference to debugfs, the "link" section when using "mi inode", what does that mean? What does 0 and 1 mean? And I have a file with link[0] without being deleted?
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17:41<kitto>devil: dpaste.com/1NG15Q4
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17:42<devil>why do your usb-sticks have efi boot partitions?
17:43<kitto>devil: no idea.
17:43<kitto>I must of messed up when I first tried cp
17:44<kitto>well one of them has LMDE not sure which one though.
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17:44<devil>which one do you want to use?
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17:45<kitto>devil: the one that is multiplied by 3 the defective debian 7.6
17:45<kitto>that's locked by encryption
17:45<kitto>and won't mount or open because of it being encrypted
17:46<devil>kitto: you messed up a lot of stuff :)
17:46<kitto>lol yeah well =x thing is I wanted to dual boot LMDE with debian but then half way through I changed my mind and just wanted to replace LMDE entirely
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17:47<kitto>the mentality I had to dual boot is if debian installs with flaws I could have a fall back with LMDE
17:47<kitto>because I couldn't get wifi to be recognized on debian
17:47<kitto>I didn't think I went to the point of no return at the time
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17:48<kitto>and I forgot how to partition to dual boot with debian
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17:48<kitto>the only turtorials I seen are debian dual booting with windows
17:48<devil>wifi needs firmware from non-free mostly
17:49<devil>not included
17:49<kitto>yeah I figured
17:49<kitto>I had debian once. installed it from my preordered CD which won't start up anymore
17:49<kitto>for what reason I have no idea just the screen stays black with a constant blinking cursor for hours
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17:50<kitto>it's 64 -bit too and my laptop is 64-bit compatiable because I used LMDE on 64-bit rate
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17:51<kitto>I guess I don't have a problem with installing debian over my LMDE flashdrive if that's what I have to do since the other one is so damaged
17:53<devil>kitto: dd will kill anything on there real good
17:53<kitto>I don't really trust mint anymore for it's holes and security issues specially the preparatory software. ok
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17:54<kitto>but question is what do I target with it?
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17:56<devil>don't understand
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17:57<kitto>devil: how should I use dd to get rid of the 3 extensions to the faulty debian 7?
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17:57<skibur>nevermind, I got it.
17:57<devil>I have no idea how that happened anyways
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17:57<kitto>devil lol
17:57<kitto>devil:*
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17:58<devil>kitto: but like I said, dd will overwrite erverything on a given device
17:58<devil>be it harddisk or usb-stick, so one has to be VERY careful with the device name
17:58<kitto>devil: I don't know which slot the faulty one is in though.
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17:59<devil>it does not matter, as you use sdX and not a partition
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18:00<kitto>well it matters if the flashdrives are on the other laptop both of them
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18:00<kitto>I already have the iso on that laptop
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18:01<devil>I do not understand your setup or your problem, sorry
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18:01<kitto>devil: well I might accidentally overwrite LMDE while I'm on LMDE
18:02<kitto>that's the only thing that my other laptop is running off a USB flashdrive live CD
18:02<devil>are they the same size?
18:02<devil>the sticks?
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18:02<kitto>same type same size 4GB
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18:02<kitto>:/
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18:03<kitto>unless I can scavenge around for a 3rd USB device
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18:03<kitto>I mize as well
18:03<kitto>brb ._.
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18:10<kitto>devil: by any chance are they listed in order as they're displayed in file manager?
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18:10<devil>rather in the order they are plugged in
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18:11<devil>dunno about file manager, too manxy of those around
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18:12<kitto>devil: ah so if I just put a flashdrive in would it be listed as last in the terminal?
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18:13<kitto>devil: ok it picked up 2 now that I put another flashdrive in
18:13<devil>normaly yes
18:14<kitto>system: Linux and the other is W95 FAT32
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18:16<kitto>so should I use dd or cp?
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18:17<devil>dd
18:17<kitto>ok
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18:18<hwgasdfasdf>trying to pxe boot a netinstall, and it won't detect the disk (which shows up in the bios, and in dmesg if I switch to another console besides the installer, but no device seems to be assigned to it) - it's an old IDE disk - anyone know how to fix that?
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18:23<kitto>devil: so just to verify the command is "dd if=/location/of/ISO of=/dev/sdX" meaning dd if=/home/downloads/debian.iso of=/dev/sdX ?
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18:24<devil>kitto: first part right, second part you need to substitusdte the X
18:24<devil>substitute
18:24<kitto>yep I know just giving you an example
18:25<devil>yep, then that's correct
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18:26<ingram>hello any one
18:26<devil>hi ingram
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18:27<kitto>devil: and so once it's done just restart and boot from the device to start the install?
18:27<devil>yes
18:28<kitto>ok
18:28<devil>remove the other one(s)
18:28<kitto>of course
18:28<ingram> i just wanted to no if this thing works right
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18:29<kitto>too bad there's no progress bar to see if it's synced or not. the cursor was solid now it's blinking again.
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19:55<cronic>hello, i have a problem with the auth connection on hostapd.. can someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/Sj9iZEp0 ? pls :(
19:56<cronic>wrong chan :x sry
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20:07<hwgasdfasdf>i fixed my problem by the way
20:07<hwgasdfasdf>needed new pxelinux.0 and newer debian net install pxe stuff
20:07<hwgasdfasdf>guess my pxelinux was way out of date
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21:26<FlickaBic>What is the proper way to install fglrx on a debian system?
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21:31<FlickaBic>I just got a fresh install, made a mess trying to do this way https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary
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22:28<Beren>Is this a functional /etc/apt/sources.list file if I'm currently in wheezy and about to upgrade to jessie? http://pastebin.com/uUuLpPBE
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22:31<gsimmons>Beren: Jessie has no security support at this time (also, use #debian-next for testing/unstable support).
22:32<Beren>Thanks
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23:00<netinvman>hi, all
23:02<netinvman>i want to use irc on the cmd mode , please tell me a irc client.
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23:06<FlickaBic>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irssi
23:06<FlickaBic>https://wiki.debian.org/IrcClients
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23:06<gnew>like Irssi
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23:19<netinvman>FlickaBic, thank you
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