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01:47<mpourhadi>i used to have my sound working im not sure wether its related to kernel update or not i have no sound at all
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02:24<helmut_>hi
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02:36<cofirazak1>is there any way to install skype from repositories?
02:37<cofirazak>Note that there are currently no repositories which hold the latest version (4.x). You will have to re-download the package from the website each time there is an update. - Why so?) Couse its not open source?
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02:38<xiaoming>hello!!
02:38<jm_>cofirazak: you'll have to ask people who provide skype, debian doesn't
02:39<xiaoming>who are you ?
02:39<jm_>cofirazak: see http://wiki.debian.org/skype
02:39<cofirazak>jm_: ok, thank you
02:39<xiaoming>ok
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02:40<jm_>cofirazak: no problem
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02:44<cofirazak>please tell me how can i register a nick here? /msg NickServ REGISTER password youremail@example.com = don't work here
02:46<jm_>cofirazak: it's off topic for #debian, have you tried /msg nickserv help?
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02:47<jm_>or help register
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02:49<cofirazak>jm_: thanks!
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03:22<twb>OK so when you have a laptop with HDMI, and the default ALSA audio card is the HDMI port, you put "options snd_hda_intel index=1" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf.
03:22<twb>My problem is I'm making a netboot image for a bunch of desktops -- half have that, and half don't.
03:23<jm_>have HDMI?
03:23<twb>yeah
03:23<twb>The old ones only have one sound card, the new ones have HDMI on card0 and PCH on card1
03:25<twb>I'm about to test index=1 on the old ones to see if they just ignore it and everything Just Works
03:26<petn-randall>twb: That's likely the case, but try it and see.
03:26<jm_>which driver is needed for HDMI ones then?
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03:26<twb>jm_: AFAIK it's the same snd_hda_intel driver for both.
03:27<twb>Yep.
03:30<jm_>twb: so you shouldn't need the index stuff
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03:33<twb>jm_: er, I don't understand.
03:34<jm_>twb: index is needed when you have one module for say regular card and one for the other one (say HDMI via radeon/nvidia or usb)
03:34<twb>On the system with two sound cards, the GUI defaults to the former. I could go into each app and systray applet and tell them to use card 1, but that's tedious (and also the users aren't allowed to change that)
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03:34<jm_>it shows as two cards? i thought it shows as one
03:35<twb>Well amixer -c0 shows no knobs, and and amixer -c1 shows lots.
03:35<twb>There are two kinds of hardware, you understand. Two generations of kiosks
03:35<jm_>and cat /proc/asound/cards ?
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03:37<twb>http://sprunge.us/TXLB
03:38<twb>I see the same behaviour as the first one (two cards) on my Acer C720 chromebook, and that's where I cargo-culted the "index=1" hack to swap the order of the cards around, so PCH is the default.
03:38<jm_>so I was wrong but I don't know how index will help you here, index is really about which cards becomes card 0 with two different modules, regardless of which loads first
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03:38<twb>Well it works on the c720
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03:39<jm_>is hdmi a different module?
03:39<twb>http://sprunge.us/LVQM which is that
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03:39<twb>I don't know how I'd tell if they're different modules other than by seeing another one in lsmod output.
03:39<babilen>twb: You probably want to write an actuel asoundrc and configure the output you want rather than rely on the default being the one you want
03:39<babilen>*actual
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03:39<jm_>yeah I was thinking about lsmod
03:40<twb>Oh though my C720 is running jessie, if that matters.
03:40<babilen>twb: http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards
03:41<twb>babilen: how does that cope when I have the same live CD (essentially) that I want to Just Work on both kinds of kiosk? Can I say something like "Ignore any cards called HDMI"?
03:41<babilen>twb: My idea was rather that you say something like "Always use FOO" rather than "Never use BAR"
03:42<twb>Hm, that will work for now, since they're all called "Intel PCH"
03:43<jm_>so based on that wiki it's index that's used ro same driver type setups and slots for what I was thnking, good stuff
03:43<jm_>ro=for
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03:46<twb>jm_: if I read that correctly, the assumption is you have different drivers for different cards, and that you use slots unless you're cargo-culting.
03:46<jm_>twb: yeah, but so far I thought index is for that, so that's why your setup works
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03:47<twb>For "ICE1724" the author says "this can't be done with alsa, make udev do it"
03:47<twb>So what I've been doing isn't actually supposed to work
03:47<twb>>joy<
03:47<babilen>heh
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03:59<twb>Apparently I have permission to just give the customer two almost-identical images and tell them to deal with mapping the kiosks to the right one.
04:00<twb>So yay.
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04:00<twb>(Fortunately live-boot allows you to have errata on top of a base filesystem.squashfs, so that I can hard link those together.)
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04:39<[Steven_M]>Hi all :)
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04:41<[Steven_M]>Is debian's "unstable branch" for stable than Arch Linux?
04:42<jm_>"for stable"?
04:42<[Steven_M]>typo
04:42<[Steven_M]>for=more
04:42<twb>For haskell packages, at least, Debian unstable requires a human to look at the package -- AUR just slurps packages directly from hackage with zero Q/A
04:43<jm_>no idea, never used arch, but in general I doubt it's more stable when massive updates occur
04:43<twb>[Steven_M]: why do you ask?
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04:47<[Steven_M]>twb: I'm sick Arch Linux updating their kernel version every week, but I still want up-to-date applications, so I'm wondering whether switching to debian unstable will strike the right balance.
04:47<babilen>[Steven_M]: "stable" and "unstable" in Debian simply mean "not changing" and "changing" and have *nothing* to do with "bug free" or "working"
04:48<twb>FTR, using index=1 on the older kiosk doesn't work -- I end up with no card0 and a card1
04:48<twb>And amixer &c don't just pick card1 automagically.
04:49<cofirazak>[Steven_M]: pacman -Syu
04:49<babilen>[Steven_M]: I've been tracking unstable for quite a while now and haven't grown tired of it, but a high number of ongoing transitions at the moment mean that the ride might be a little bumpy and that you cannot "dist-upgrade" right now. That isn't a problem, but it is something to keep in mind when setting up the system.
04:49<babilen>[Steven_M]: I'd be happy to discuss further details of how I'd go about setting it up in #debian-next which is our channel for testing/unstable support.
04:51<[Steven_M]>babilen: maybe "testing branch" would be the way to go.
04:51*babilen casually mentions #debian-next again
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04:53*[Steven_M] complies
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05:50<mpourhadi>when i run pauvcontrol i get this error Failed to create secure directory (/run/user/1000/pulse): Permission denied
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05:56<devil>mpourhadi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1197395
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06:16<mpourhadi>devil, when i play song i see the indicator moving with pavucontroler but got no sound stil
06:16<mpourhadi>u did killall -9 pulseaudio && pulseadio --start
06:17<SynrG>did you check to see if /run/user/1000/pulse is owned by root as per the bug devil linked?
06:18<mpourhadi>i change it to my user
06:18<SynrG>the rest is ubuntu-specific, so ...
06:18<SynrG>that probably doesn't give you a solution. just a description of your symptoms.
06:19<SynrG>and a probably immediate cause
06:19<SynrG>as for root cause & how to fix permanently, dunno.
06:19<mpourhadi>i want listen to music :(
06:19<SynrG>was it owned by root?
06:19<mpourhadi>yea
06:20<mpourhadi>and i change it to my own user
06:20<mpourhadi>my jackports not working
06:21<SynrG>is this a debian wheezy system?
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06:24<mpourhadi>i did dist-upgrade
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06:24<SynrG>answer the question.
06:25<SynrG>dist-upgrade to what? testing?
06:25<SynrG>support for testing/unstable is at #debian-next
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09:08<wick>messages that come up during upgrade (or dist-upgrade) are piped to less and wait for me to hit q for apt to continue.. is there something in the config that can bypass *just* those messages on the console and only send via email?
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09:11<themill>wick: sure, dpkg-reconfigure apt-listchanges
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09:15<wick>right.. not even apt-get it is.. but apt-listchanges. thanks!
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10:19<melissa>ya ki
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10:21<melissa>bienvenidos
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10:21<klaasM68k>Hallo allemaal :)
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11:10*wick herkent de nederlandse taal
11:11<Apollo>Proficiat!
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11:34<Fenhl>Hello. I have a system which on every boot displays the warning message “Not starting fancontrol; run pwmconfig first”. running `pwmconfig` gives the error message “There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed”. What do I do now?
11:35<Fenhl>the fan seems to not be running at all, except for a second or two immediately upon power on
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11:40<trico>install and configure lm-sensors
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11:50<Fenhl>trico: seems to already be installed. what's the executable called?
11:50<Fenhl>or is there a config file I have to edit
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11:51<trico>Fenhl: see here: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/327/Monitoring_your_hardware%27s_temperature
11:52<trico>i think amd cpus have a different module
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11:55<stevenm_>hey is linux kernel 3.10 available somehow for debian 7?
11:55<towo`>3.14 is available
11:55<txt-file>stevenm_: nope …
11:56<stevenm_>ooh 3.12 seems to be in wheezy backports
11:57<somiaj>stevenm_: newer kernels are put in wheezy backports (with no security support though). Usually the older ones are removed as newer ones are put in. So 3.14 is about what you get from backports and the one I would suggest using unless you know there are issues with that kernel on your system
11:58<stevenm_>somiaj, why 3.14? is that an LTR?
11:58<stevenm_>i guess I'd need the lvm utils backported too
11:58<stevenm_>Sorry I forgot to say - i'm looking to do lvm thin provisioning on debian 7 - tried doing it on centos but its making me cry
11:58<somiaj>stevenm_: no that is just the most current kernel that was provided by backports. Usually they are close to the upstream version
11:59<somiaj>I'd assume that 3.16 will be added to backports (This would happen usually after the kernel makes it into jessie)
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12:01<stevenm_>ok talk tomorrow - i gotta go, thanks, bye :)
12:01<somiaj>stevenm_: you can get the old 3.10 from snapshot, there is a bpo kernel there. http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/ but I would suggest running the current one from wheezy-backports as you should just need newer than a certain version
12:01<somiaj>that 3.10 kernel probabaly has security holes and they won't be fixed as that is just a snapshot from when that kernel was the one in backports
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12:03<aNt1v1rUs>Hello there. my desktop on debian keep freeze. any help? i am new
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12:04<petn-randall>aNt1v1rUs: Which version of Debian are you running?
12:05<aNt1v1rUs>petn-randall, i guess that command is uname -a? 3.12-0.bpo.1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.12.9-1~bpo70+1 (2014-02-07) i686 GNU/Linux
12:07<petn-randall>aNt1v1rUs: That doesn't fully cover it. Can you paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net?
12:07<aNt1v1rUs>yes
12:08<grove>aNt1v1rUs: I guess petn-randall Guess wanted to know if you were running wheezy/jessie/unstable - the kernel version gives a hint - you're running wheezy with a backport kernel that hasn't been updated, what else might not be updated
12:09<aNt1v1rUs>grove, i update my system radomly, every 2 days, running antix whitch is deb based distro
12:09<grove>And then you could have upgraded without rebooting so you're effectively not on wheezy anymore. So please tell us what version of Debian you're running
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12:09<grove>!tell aNt1v1rUs about antix
12:10<aNt1v1rUs>antix is speed like a hell
12:10<aNt1v1rUs>i use wheezy debian
12:11<grove>perhaps, but it's not supported here
12:11<grove>and wheezy backports have had 3.14 for more than two days, so antix is clearly affecting something
12:12<aNt1v1rUs>grove, my sistem freeze because is not update to latest debian stable or what?
12:13<somiaj>if he didn't install the meta package it won't automatically upgrade the kernel, but are you running debian wheezy or antix?
12:13<somiaj>bet give us the paste of the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net
12:13<petn-randall>aNt1v1rUs: No, he's saying you need to go to #mepis on irc.freenode.net to get support, since Antix isn't supported in #debian. Only Debian is.
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12:14<aNt1v1rUs>somiaj, i running AntiX but have Debian Stable wheezy
12:14<aNt1v1rUs>Ok, thanks peoples :)
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12:17<theclockknowsall>Hi there!
12:17<theclockknowsall>Can
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12:17<theclockknowsall>I have made a debian distribution from Debian From Scratch..
12:17<theclockknowsall>But I forgot what is the page to go to do it again.
12:18<theclockknowsall>I have searched every google but still
12:18<theclockknowsall>I don't see any exact results the last time I did.
12:19<somiaj>sounds like you are using outdated info
12:19<somiaj>!debian from scratch
12:19<dpkg>"Debian From Scratch" was a live CD image providing a full-featured kernel and rescue environment, with tools to build a custom live CD. Obsolete and unmaintained, dfsbuild was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #570272. Ask me about <debian live>.
12:19<somiaj>if you are just wanting to make a custom live cd based off of debian packages, look at the build tools/instructions at live.debian.net
12:19<theclockknowsall>Oh..
12:19<somiaj>also for the most part debian derivatives and things based on debian are not supported here. though live.debian.net gives you some nice tools to make custom live images.
12:20<theclockknowsall>It is not a cd though.. it is based of on a tutorial that i forgot..
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12:22<somiaj>theclockknowsall: I'm unsure if there is any debian support for making your own debian distro. But as I said most here (including myself) are here to support debian, not custom distros based on debian. Why not just install debian and customize it to what you need? What are you wanting your own distro for?
12:22-!-zerick [~eocrospom@190.187.21.53] has joined #debian
12:22<somiaj>or in other words, what is your end goal?
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12:23<theclockknowsall>just make debian easy to use for my grandma.
12:23<somiaj>why do you need a custom distro for that? Why not just install/configure/ets up debian to do what your grandma needs?
12:24<somiaj>(in which case if you had a specific need in debian, this is a good place to ask questions)
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12:24<theclockknowsall>oh ok..
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12:25<theclockknowsall>somiaj: I will just send what I did.
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12:27<theclockknowsall>http://i.imgur.com/uGljmAe.png
12:27<theclockknowsall>it is go something like this.
12:28<spippi>ciao
12:29<petn-randall>theclockknowsall: This looks like a standard Ubuntu installation to me.
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12:30<somiaj>theclockknowsall: well what you show there seems to support my original factoid I sent. You are/did use the old debian from scratch to make a liveCD, in which case live.debian.net is what you will want (note live images can be installed on the hd as well)
12:31<theclockknowsall>Oh ok..
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12:34<theclockknowsall>it's ok now.. thank you!
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12:36<theclockknowsall>By the way.. It is based on Debian From Scratch v7 stable
12:36<theclockknowsall>It is up-to-date
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12:38<theclockknowsall>., This is the tutorial I was going to say.. http://willhaley.com/blog/create-a-custom-debian-live-environment/
12:39<wyre>hi guys ... some spanish people? :(
12:39<wyre>that can help me? :(
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12:40<wyre>i tried to install any package updates
12:40<wyre>and my wheezy has crashed
12:40<wyre>can i use nautilus
12:40<wyre>cant*
12:40<petn-randall>!es
12:40<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
12:41<petn-randall>wyre: Which updates did you apply?
12:41<wyre>and ... can't i reinstall that, because he have dependencies
12:41<wyre>that i havent
12:41<wyre>installated
12:41<wyre>pff
12:41<wyre>i don't know... many, ...
12:42<petn-randall>!enter
12:42<dpkg>The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
12:42<wyre>i have some bad repositorys in sources.list
12:42<wyre>and i dont remember that :(
12:43<petn-randall>wyre: Can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to http://paste.debian.net? And any other contents you have below /etc/apt/sources.list.d/.
12:43<wyre>i modified now
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12:43<wyre>helped by an operator at #debian-es, and ... i supouse that this surces.list is more clean
12:45<wyre>petn-randall, http://paste.debian.net/116210/
12:45<petn-randall>wyre: If you're getting help in #debian-es, all is fine then. Better not confuse you with two separate people helping you. Good luck :)
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12:46<wyre>no no
12:46<wyre>but my operator can't countinue that :(
12:46<petn-randall>wyre: What do you mean?
12:46<wyre>he should go :(
12:46<wyre>and i'm alone now :(
12:46<wyre>xD
12:47<petn-randall>!tell wyre about -bat
12:47-!-mode/#debian [+l 692] by debhelper
12:47<petn-randall>!tell wyre -about bat
12:47<wyre>http://paste.debian.net/116211/
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12:47<petn-randall>wyre: Check what the bot sent you, we'll need that info to debug it further.
12:49<wyre>i dont undestand petn-randall...
12:50<wyre>that comand i used ?
12:50<wyre>and when? , when i want aply my update packagnes? before?
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12:51<wyre>or... what u mean with "including the command you used"? petn-randall
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12:53<petn-randall>wyre: You tried to install some packages, right? Which command did you use? If you're using something like synaptic, there's the possibility to show the terminal window, you can copy the contents from there.
12:54<wyre>no no ... i dont use terminal
12:54<wyre>i tried with gui gestor
12:54<wyre>the software updates in my Debian app menu
12:54<wyre>in "system tools"
12:55<wyre>i had some errors
12:55<petn-randall>wyre: Please try to not use enter for punctuation, it makes it more difficult to follow.
12:55<wyre>then i desactivate the packages that give me errors
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12:56<wyre>ok, but... i had Ubuntu repos in my sources.list, and ... this crased my debian system ...
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12:56<sysvalve>wyre: bad, bad BAD IDEA
12:56<wyre>now i have sources.list clean and ... there isn't any way to restore Debian system? (because i cant install nautilus :( )
12:56<wyre>yes... bad idea ... :( i learnt :(
12:57<petn-randall>wyre: Restore from backups?
12:57<wyre>... i havent backup :(
12:57<sysvalve>you may try to aptitude reinstall everything, but maybe your configurations are broken
12:58<sysvalve>you can look at the aptitude logs
12:58<wyre>(if Debian do it automatically ... but... i dont think xD)
12:58<sysvalve>and see what packages it did install, and reinstall them again
12:58<wyre>and... how can i use the reinstall everthing comand? xD
12:59<wyre>or.. where are the aptitude logs?
12:59<wyre>and ... there isnt any way to do this automatically ? with a command and a sources.list clean ?
12:59<wyre>(sorry for the enter key ... isnt my intention :( )
12:59<petn-randall>wyre: Can you paste the output of "aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'"?
12:59<sysvalve> /var/log/aptitude.log or something like that
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13:00<sysvalve>or use wise aptitude-fu as petn-randall suggests :)
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13:00<wyre>http://paste.debian.net/116216/
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13:04<petn-randall>wyre: Make backups, and reinstall. You have many core libraries upgraded to the version of Ubuntu. You could try to downgrade, but you'll likely break your system, so it might be wise to make backups now.
13:05<wyre>ok
13:05<wyre>thanks petn-randall for ur atention :D
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13:23<ale>hola
13:23<ale>spanish?
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13:24<planetmaker>!es
13:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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13:49<acasanova>Hello, I downgraded from Jessie to Wheezy. I think that broke my python install. What should $PYTHONHOME and $PYTHONPATH be?
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13:50<peter1138>Blank.
13:50<peter1138>Or rather, unset.
13:50<mtn>acasanova: downgrading is not supported in debian. you may have to reinstall properly.
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13:51<acasanova>when its unset i got ImportError: No module named site
13:52<acasanova>I had set it to /usr/lib/puthon3.2 then got file=sys.stderr invalid syntax
13:52<acasanova>python3.2*
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15:11<Zer0Sec>Hey Anyone want to talk to a stranger ?
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15:34<uso>petn-randall: Does "^[^n][^o].*$" in your aptitude search pattern stand for "anything but now"? And "now" stands for the list of currently installed packages when used in "?archive()"? Is this documented somewhere? (I could not find it in the aptitude search term reference, e.g. in http://aptitude.alioth.debian.org/doc/en/ch02s04s05.html)
15:34<kg>Hey guys, am using NIS on Debian stable but can't seem to add a user. If I add one using 'adduser' and call make inside of /var/yp/ , it doesn't seem to work
15:35<kg>Is it possible to add a user to a certain domain without actually adding them to the /etc/passwd of the NIS master?
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15:41<uso>kg: can't you set the directory for the user file to e.g. some directory under /var/yp? but my memory may be wrong, it has been long long ago that I have used NIS the last time
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15:42<uso>what systems still use NIS these days?
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16:07<averytho_>Is there anything better than using the "screen" command
16:08<averytho_>for me it just seems glitchy when I try and reattach a screen
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16:10<kg>averytho_: tmux?
16:11<kg>uso: Ah yes, you are right, there are some files. But how do I add a user to those?
16:13<kg>adduser doesn't seem to have a file parameter
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16:17<uso>kg: sorry, I don't remember the details anymore, I think these were simple text files which you could edit with a text editor, maybe try a file with the format of the passwd file (with passwords included like the passwd file was before the introduction of shadow passwords)
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16:21<uso>kg: unfortunately the old sun sites are gone, but I found that, maybe it helps (looks like my guess about the format was wrong ;): http://archive09.linux.com/articles/58897
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16:23<kg>uso: Thanks a lot. What alternatives are there to NIS?
16:23<uso>kg: LDAP
16:24<uso>(theoretically NIS+, but that's probably even less supported than NIS)
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19:40<rostam>hi I observe strange behavior it seems update-initramfs changes my network configuration, How could I disable update-initramfs to NOT touch networking configuration? thanks
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20:18<rostam>hi could someone tell me how eth0 & eth1 bind to phyiscall network interfaces please...
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20:40<twb>Sigh. So $boss comes in this morning and tells me that I *do* need both one-card and two-card kiosks to work with a single live image. (re snd_hda_intel HDMI port, yesterday)
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20:41*abrotman doesn't see the problem
20:42<twb>abrotman: I have two generations of hardware; the first has a snd-hda-intel with a PCH "card", the second has a snd-hda-intel with a PCH "card" and an HDMI "card" and by default the HDMI card wins and is the default, though it's not connected to anything (not even an HDMI port).
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20:43<twb>I can tell the snd-hda-intel driver "you are card 1", which makes PCH the default (card 0) on the new kiosks, but it breaks the old kiosks by making their PCH card 1.
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20:43<twb>http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards basically says "you can't solve this without udev" and that is making my head hurt.
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20:44<twb>Ideally I want a way to say "if you ever see a snd_hda_intel instance calling itself 'HDMI', just throw it away" but that's too much udev for me.
20:48<twb>Hm, on rereading http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc maybe I can say pcm.!default { card "HDMI" } if I can guess it's "name" -- and I can have an /etc/asoundrc. (I don't want to have to populate ~/.asoundrc for every inmate.)
20:50<dvs>twb: I guess you need to make a .conf file in the /etc/modprobe.d directory and have two entries like: options snd-hda-intel index=0 model=auto vid=1002 pid=780d
20:50<twb>dvs: how do I know what those vid/pid values should be? Oh are they the PCI ID?
20:50<dvs>yes
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20:52<twb>Hm, it looks like there are two PCI IDs after all
20:52<twb>That makes things easier
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20:55<abrotman>init script that sets it magically?
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20:55<twb>it'd have to be an init script that ran before udev
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20:55<twb>my plan B was to do <bad magic> in the ramdisk rather than try to understand udev
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20:57<[Steven_M]>Hi all. Is there a normal download for the stable DVD ISO, or do you have to use torrents?
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21:00<dvs>[Steven_M]: you can download it directly from mirrors
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21:01<[Steven_M]>dvs: I haven't been able to find it, have you got a link?
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21:03<dvs>[Steven_M]: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/multi-arch/iso-dvd/
21:03<dvs>oops. sorry
21:03<dvs>that's the source
21:03<dvs>[Steven_M]: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/7.6.0/amd64/iso-dvd/
21:04<dvs>(for the amd64 version)
21:04<twb>dvs: http://sprunge.us/GSVL so my thinking is index=1 model=auto vid=8086 pid=8c20 (assuming that's the HDMI line) -- and then if I get another generation with a different HDMI card, I add another index=2 for that and so on, and the arbitrary "good" cards will get index=0
21:04*twb tests
21:04<dvs>twb: I was thinking the opposite but that'll hopefully work.
21:04<[Steven_M]>dvs: thank you. :)
21:04<dvs>[Steven_M]: no prob
21:05<twb>dvs: well my theory is the blacklist will be shorter
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21:07<dvs>twb: I think index=-2 will really blacklist the driver.
21:07<twb>strictly speaking I don't need to blacklist it, I just need it to not "win" and become the default card
21:07<twb>but thanks
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21:45<theclockknowsall>where can I discuss my new debian distribution.
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21:46<abrotman>discuss in what way?
21:46<theclockknowsall>in irc channel
21:46<abrotman>do you need help with it?
21:46<theclockknowsall>yes.
21:47<theclockknowsall>I am going to make an installer in dialog.
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21:49<Anonymous>IDENTIFY
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21:50<abrotman>theclockknowsall: no need to msg me
21:50<abrotman>theclockknowsall: you haven't asked an actual question yet
21:51<Anonymous>No need to message whom
21:53<theclockknowsall>Oh ok.. sorry abrotman
21:53<theclockknowsall>I think it's #debian-derriative.
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21:53<Anonymous>How do I get my built in webcam to work It says there Is no webcam
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21:57<bruswane>hey everyone. is anyone here knowledgeable in tor?
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21:59<Anonymous>onion tor vrowser
21:59<Anonymous>vrowser*
21:59<Anonymous>browser*
21:59<bruswane>yep, i've got it up and running in ubuntu, but i have a couple questions about the install
21:59<Anonymous>O
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