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00:27<matipc>Hola
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01:01<[Steven_M]>Hi all
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01:02-!-Cylus is "cyl.us" on #oftc #debian-offtopic #debian #
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01:07<[Steven_M]>The Debian 7.6 installer thinks my 2.73 T harddrive is only around 670 G. :( Any idea why?
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01:09<jm_>what does kernel think about it?
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01:11<[Steven_M]>not sure, I'm by what the partitioner said about it.
01:11<[Steven_M]>*going by
01:14<jm_>so check what the kernel thinks first
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01:14<[Steven_M]>jm_: how do I find out what the kernel says?
01:15<jm_>[Steven_M]: dmesg ; cat /proc/partitions
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01:19<[Steven_M]>jm_: Okay, I'll reboot, run that command, and get back to you. I'm using Windows for IRC right now
01:19<jm_>[Steven_M]: you can get a shell on tty2, so alt-f2
01:19<jm_>alt-f1 to get back (might be ctrl-alt-f1 etc.)
01:20<jm_>dmesg will show a lot of stuff, look for drives related things
01:20<jm_>perhaps dmesg | egrep -i 'ahci|ata|sd|scsi'
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01:30<theclockknowsall>hey guys! how to make my own debian repository?
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02:39<Fenhl>I have a system where I replaced the main hdd with a different one, and now it can't connect to the internet (or the LAN for that matter). I'm assuming that it's missing Ethernet drivers, how can I find out which ones I need?
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02:40<themill>did you copy the old installation onto the new hdd? what's actually on the new hdd?
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02:40<[Steven_M]>jm_: the kernel sees the correct size for my HD, how do I get the installer to see the proper size?
02:41<Fenhl>themill: the new hdd has a Debian stable install from a different system on it
02:41<jm_>[Steven_M]: and /proc/partitions also shows it that way?
02:41<Fenhl>same architecture (both amd64)
02:41<themill>Fenhl: ahh... so your ethernet device is probably called eth1 not eth0 and so is not configured
02:41<themill>!70
02:41<dpkg>udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules, edit this file to change the mappings. To apply changes: «udevadm trigger» or reload the relevant driver module. See also <udev>.
02:43<Fenhl>themill: so it should work if I swap the names for eth0 and eth1 in that file and `udevadmin trigger`?
02:44<Fenhl>*udevadm
02:44<themill>Fenhl: if that's all that's wrong, yes
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02:45<Fenhl>anything else I need to do after that? reboot or something?
02:45<Fenhl>because I still can't ping anything
02:46<themill>that should be enough
02:46<jm_>you'll probably want to ifdown and ifup too
02:46<Fenhl>error message is “connect: Network is unreachable”, if that helps
02:46<themill>well depending on your network config, you may need to reload that
02:46<jm_>assuming you're using that to manage configuration
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02:47<Fenhl>jm_: I hadn't messed with this sort of thing on the other system. it says interface eth0 not configured
02:48<jm_>Fenhl: "it" being?
02:48<Fenhl>`sudo ifdown eth0`
02:49<jm_>that's expected since there was no eth0 to configure at boot, no?
02:49<Fenhl>okay so I do need to reboot?
02:49<themill>(and this is why ifupdown is annoying... it pretends to be stateful will not actually being so)
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02:51<jm_>if you don't want to manually do this then reboot is the easiest method
02:51<Fenhl>I'll try that
02:52<Fenhl>seems to work, thanks
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02:54<Fenhl>another thing, I would like this system to be named as it was before the hdd swap, is that doable?
02:54<themill>!hostname
02:54<dpkg>Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname
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02:55<themill>be aware that the hostname can also appear inside plenty of other config files in /etc and in users' home directories.
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02:57<Fenhl>I'll probably leave it then
02:58<themill>it's not that hard to do -- a bit of grepping through /etc is normally enough
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03:11<Fenhl>you're right, that's less entries than I imagined
03:12<Fenhl>configs that aren't in plain text are very uncommon, right?
03:12<Fenhl>because grep obviously wouldn't find those
03:12<stevenm_>is there a channel for jessie/testing?
03:13<Fenhl>stevenm_: #debian-next
03:13<stevenm_>ah :)
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03:16<[Steven_M]>jm_: any ideas?
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03:17<Riplay>il y a des francais (FRench on this place)
03:18<jm_>[Steven_M]: <jm_> [Steven_M]: and /proc/partitions also shows it that way?
03:18<jm_>!fr
03:18<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
03:19<Riplay>Thanks
03:20<[Steven_M]>jm_: there's no partitions on it yet, it has a fresh GPT table.
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03:20<jm_>[Steven_M]: empty gpt table or what?
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03:23<[Steven_M]>jm_ empty, I tried to create the first partition and that's when I noticed the size problem.
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03:27<jm_>[Steven_M]: hmm I only tested it with drives <= 2T so far where gpt is not needed - have you tried creating partitions manually in advance?
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03:31<[Steven_M]>jm:_ No, I'll give that a go.
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03:35<helmut_>hi
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04:15<peter1138>Urgh, any way to stop pidgin calling out to gsettings every 2 seconds?
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05:00<JetpackJohn>Greetings. I'm running on Debian/testing and trying to repair an SD card with two partitions and some apparent corruption. Part 1 is ~20GB vfat and part 2 is ~12GB ext4. Neither will mount and fsck fails to run on part 1 and shows an okay file system on part 2. The partition table looks okay with fdisk with proper sizes. The only irregularity was that the partitions did not start on cylinder boundaries, but only original fdisk compl
05:01<planetmaker>JetpackJohn, message truncated: "only original fdisk compl..."
05:02<JetpackJohn>Oops. -> but only original fdisk complains about that. cfdisk and GNU parted were happy. When trying to mount, the vfat part complains that the count of clusters is too big and the ext4 part comlpains that the FS is too large to safely mount on this system. I'd be very surprised if the corruption hit the beginning of both partitions. What additional tools or packages should I try? I'd really like to get my old data off the card befor
05:05<jm_>JetpackJohn: #debian-next for testing
05:05<jm_>and 2nd message was cut off too -- old data off the card befor
05:07<JetpackJohn>Double oops. -> I'd really like to get my old data off the card before I nuke it. :(
05:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 662] by debhelper
05:07<JetpackJohn>Note sure why irssi isn't segmenting the message itself...
05:08<JetpackJohn>jm_: Thanks for the channel pointer. I'll ask there.
05:08<jm_>can dd read it?
05:08<jm_>or cat or ...
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05:11<JetpackJohn>jm_: dd was fine with reading the first 512 bytes of the whole card when I backed up the partition table. And dd is happy to read the first 5MB of the partitions. I'll have to put the card in another machine with sufficient space to copy the entire partition.
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05:16<JetpackJohn>...I seem to recall a package for a tool that would specifically search a partition/disk for media files by looking for, among other things, file type magic numbers and JPEG headers. But, I have no clue what it was named. :(
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05:20<planetmaker>https://www.google.com/search?q=debian+magic+number+jpeg+header+disk+search suggests a few tools...
05:20<planetmaker>testdisk, magicrescue...
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05:26<JetpackJohn>planetmaker: magicrescue... I think that's the name. Many thanks.
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05:52<[Steven_M]>Does the wheezy installer's partitioner use gparted as a backend?
05:55<jm_>[Steven_M]: this feller simply used debootstrap -- $http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-debian-testing-on-gpt-hdds-from-a-grml-live-linux
05:56<txt-file>[Steven_M]: nope … imho it is using parted
05:56<txt-file>not gparted
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06:00<[Steven_M]>txt-file: if it's using parted, I wonder why it's having trouble with drives greater than 2T
06:01<txt-file>even with gpt?
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06:02<[Steven_M]>yep
06:03<txt-file>that's wierd
06:03<somiaj>I know it uses gpt partitions if it detects efi, but forget if it asks if you want mbr or gpt if you are using legacy boot mode
06:04<somiaj>so are you positive it is using gpt partitions? Also there is an option early on that allows you to load parted (or even gparted I think) and you could manually partition your drive in a console on alt-f2
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06:08<[Steven_M]>somiaj: yep I'm positive, I'll dounle-check those load options tomorrow though.
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06:27<[Steven_M]>night all. :)
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06:29<Sevet>hi, can anyone tell me what the sideaffects (if any) of --no-cowdancer-update for cowbuilder are?
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06:30<teslasmhd>^.^
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06:44<rostam>HI I would like to test udev creation of 70-persistent-net.rules. I know the file can be created during reboot, but I like to test it without reboot. Is this possible? Thanks
06:45<babilen>rostam: Read udevadm(8) and pay attention to trigger
06:46<jm_>also /msg dpkg 70
06:47<rostam>babilen, thanks
06:47<rostam>jm_, sorry I did not understoold /msg dpkg 70 ??
06:48<jm_>!tell rostam -about 70
06:48<rostam>jm_ thanks
06:48<jm_>rostam: no problem
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07:31<pujan14>!tell pujan14 -about 70
07:31<jm_>you can also msg the bot as noted above -- /msg dpkg 70
07:32<pujan14>should I type -- / msg here or where bot replied me?
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07:34<jm_>/msg is a command for your irc client, you type it without the space
07:35<pujan14>got it new to irc so...
07:35<jm_>where bot replied you you normally don't have to use /msg dpkg, just the text for bot (try typing just hello)
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07:36<pujan14>this bot is awesome... :)
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07:41<babilen>dpkg: tell pujan14 -about dpkgbot
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07:53<grove>Is it just me or isn't it possible to put an option in your dput configuration to make -U default?
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07:53<grove>(is that better suited for #debian-mentors or another channel?)
07:53<rostam>hi how would I know the network interface eth0 is binded to which driver? thanks
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07:54<dino_>ciao
07:54<jm_>rostam: ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver
07:54<rostam>jm_ thank you
07:54<jm_>rostam: no worries
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07:58<rostam>jm_, the content of that directory is: "0000:13:00.0 bind module new_id remove_id uevent unbind" I am looking for a name for eth0 driver that I can use for "modprobe <eth0 network driver>" ?
07:58<jm_>rostam: do you have eth0 interface or not?
07:58<rostam>jm_, yes eth0 and eth1
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07:59<jm_>rostam: then put the output of the above command to a pastebin - /msg dpkg paste
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08:01<jm_>you could also paste it here since it should be one line only (only if it's one line!)
08:01<rostam>jm_, sorry I am lost, by command you mean: modprobe ? if so I still do not the driver name
08:01<jm_>rostam: no, run this command: ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver
08:01<jm_>and paste the resulting line here
08:01<rostam>jm_, one moment please ...
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08:03<rostam>jm_, I got it eth0 is igb and eth1 is e1000. Thank you so much.
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08:03<jm_>rostam: right, just look at what that symlink points at
08:03<rostam>jm_, yes great thanks again.
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08:17<jaccob>what's the difference between ~/.profile vs ~/.bashrc ?
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08:19<jm_>the difference lies in when one of those is read, i don't think bash read ~/.profile
08:19<jm_>reads too
08:19<jm_>!bashrc
08:19<dpkg>~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. Ask me about <bash eternal history>.
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08:25<jaccob>jm_thx
08:25<jaccob>jm_ thx
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08:26<jm_>jaccob: no problem
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08:27<jaccob>Cause I put at the end of my ~/.profile export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/go/bin and at the end of my export GOPATH=/home/j/Hm/Go, export GOBIN=/home/j/Hm/Go/bin, export PATH=$PATH:/home/j/Hm/Go/bin but I could just put all 4 of those line in either one or the other I guess
08:29<jaccob>And at the end of my ~/.bashrc export GOPATH=/home/j/Hm/Go, export GOBIN=/home/j/Hm/Go/bin, export PATH=$PATH:/home/j/Hm/Go/bin but I could just put all 4 of those line in either one or the other I guess
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08:36<jaccob>Ok, instead of all that I am just gonna put in my .bashrc two line: export GOPATH=/home/j/Hm/Go and xport PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/go/bin:/home/j/Hm/Go/bin
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09:20<jspiros>does anyone have a hint for how I can change GRUB's resolution or font to make it easier to read, without changing the linux console or X server resolutions?
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09:21<jspiros>this is for a machine that's connected to a 1080p television, and is fairly far away, so it's hard to read the grub messages and interact with the grub menus
09:21<jspiros>I've already fixed this problem in linux land via console-setup and the selection of a very large console font
09:21<jspiros>(I prefer that to a lower resolution, since the fonts are nice and crispy)
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09:23<jspiros>I am seeing grub2-mkfont, just making sure there isn't a Debian-specific way to solve this problem
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09:26<petn-randall>jspiros: Check out /etc/default/grub, there is GRUB_GFXMODE commented out.
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09:28<devil>jspiros: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1296225 <== this might explain further
09:28<devil>another method is installing systemd, then boot is so fast, there is nothing to read :)
09:29<jspiros>devil: heh, I am battling problems with systemd unrelatedly :)
09:30<jspiros>petn-randall, devil: I'll give that a shot; I saw that, I was worried that it might affect the resolution of the linux console as well (does the linux console inherit resolution from grub?)
09:30<devil>jspiros: if you can't master them, try #debian-systemd
09:30<jspiros>devil: good to know, thanks :)
09:30<devil>jspiros: no, it does not
09:30<jspiros>oh, okay, great
09:30<jspiros>that fixes that, then
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09:38<jspiros>aha, all problems solved!
09:38<jspiros>thanks for your help :)
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09:47<jonas_>Hello, does it makes a differnce if I buy a handbook of Debian 6 or 7?
09:48<Brigo>jonas_, yes it does.
09:48<petn-randall>devil, jspiros, I don't recommend using systemd in wheezy, the version that's shipped there is quite old.
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09:49<petn-randall>jonas_: Well, they're written for different versions.
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09:50<Brigo>there is systemd 204 in wheezy-backports
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09:50<jonas_>Okay, so you would recommend to buy the newer one? It is for learning the basics.
09:51<jonas_>And reference book.
09:51<Brigo>jonas_, no, i will use internet, but if you want to buy one, but of 7.
09:51<petn-randall>jonas_: Yes, I'd buy the current one. If you can't afford it, you can still just download the libre PDF and read it on your screen.
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09:52<jonas_>Okay, thank you.
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09:57<jspiros>petn-randall: I track testing/unstable
09:57<jspiros>petn-randall: various pinning things
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10:26<petn-randall>jspiros: Ah, then you're in the "wrong" channel :). Join #debian-next, where jessie/sid are supported.
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10:26<petn-randall>(and also all the other people using jessie/sid hang out)
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10:35<EmleyMoor>I'm having trouble getting permissions set up by udev so that a VM can access one of my USB devices... I've set up what I think is a valid rule file and restarted udev, but it seems that it's not setting the group to the one I specified when I connect the device.
10:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 680] by debhelper
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10:38<EmleyMoor>Hmmm...
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10:40<EmleyMoor>Ah, fine now
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10:49<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Glad we could help. ;)
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10:50*EmleyMoor had been tinkering with it for ages and seemed to be getting nowhere
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11:15<igmp>How do I change symbolic link in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu properly ?
11:15<centrx>igmp, What are you really trying to do?
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11:16<igmp>get bumblebee to work after an update
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11:18<igmp>I have a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: _glapi_Dispatch whenever I try to start a graphical application (including terminal)
11:19<igmp>I have find that libGL.so.1 is just a symbolic link of libGL.so.1.2.0 which is a binary file
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11:22<igmp>but if you look at the 32bit version in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu you find that libGL.so.1 is a symbolic link to /etc/alternatives/glx--libGL.so.1-i386-linux-gnu which is correct
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11:23<centrx>igmp, Maybe both archs are not completely updated?
11:24<igmp>I don't know but they should be
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11:27<igmp>I checked I have the same version for the libgl1-mesa-glx package in both arch
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11:29<igmp>so what could rewrite the symbolic link constantly ?
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12:20<rostam>Hi I have two network interface on my system eth0 & eth1. I need eth0 to bind to igb driver not e1000e. So I black list the igb and e1000 then I added those drivers in /etc/modules so the kernel tries to load igb first then e1000e. It does not work, any help greatlly appreciate. Thanks
12:21<grove>!tell rostam about 70
12:22<rostam>grove, thanks for hint my for whatever reason that file: 70-persist... does not get created on my system. I have no clue why...
12:22<peter1138>no idea what i was doing then
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12:27<petn-randall>rostam: You're either running a VM or not Debian stable then ;)
12:27<rostam>petn-randall, running vm
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12:29<peter1138>Hmm, I would be using virtio-net in that case...
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13:41<newUser>hello
13:42<newUser>you think it's possible to pre-configure a live distro (usb) to automatically connect to the wifi network, i just need to ssh in and take on from there but i have no output deviece
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13:49<newUser>no one? :<
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13:50<Maulkin>Hrm.
13:50<Maulkin>newUser: Which install media are you using, and what's the device? You may be able to use preseeding...
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15:36<fabiozolio>hi guys
15:36<fabiozolio>i'd like to take some doubts
15:36<fabiozolio>is it possible use this channel for it ?
15:36<mullein>doubts?
15:37<fabiozolio>yes
15:37<fabiozolio>every day when my ubuntu try to upload some files and softwares, the follow message appear to:
15:37-!-Volley [~worf@chello080109200187.3.sc-graz.chello.at] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
15:38<fabiozolio>"There is not enought space in your disc"
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15:38<fabiozolio>do you know how can i fix it ?
15:39<mullein>i would guess that you need to delete some stuff or add storage
15:39<planetmaker>fabiozolio, this is not ubuntu
15:39<planetmaker>!ubuntu
15:39<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
15:39<planetmaker>!ubuntuirc
15:39<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
15:40<fabiozolio>ok ... let me try...
15:40<fabiozolio>thanks for now
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15:41*rryoumaa wonders if these problems would be slightly, even if only so, ameliorated by changing the channel name to debian-and-not-its-derivatives
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17:49<Batasas>Hello everyone
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17:53<cahewson>how to get grub in squeeze to add wheezy partition to boot menue?
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18:02<CyberBob>i just wanted to say thank you to the community here for support i've asked for in the past week
18:02<CyberBob>one way or another i breathed some life into some pretty ancient systems
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18:04<chaos>how do i get a list of all installed packages?
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18:06<chaos>i'm upgrading my linux box but in the process i'm moving to fully encrypted system so i concluded that simply "dd if=<old> of=<new>" won't work
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18:07<valdyn>chaos: why not?
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18:07<valdyn>chaos: of course that is not enough, but it nearly is...
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18:08<valdyn>!clone debian
18:08<valdyn>!debian clone
18:08<dpkg>One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
18:08<chaos>but old system had a single not-encrypted partition ... new one has a separate /boot for things that need to be loaded b4 decrypt
18:08<valdyn>chaos: you could use dd and the move /boot over
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18:09<valdyn>chaos: you could use dd and *then* move /boot over
18:09<oldlaptop>you could also set up your partition structure, then use tar or cp or some such thing
18:09<oldlaptop>(should work? fstab will need work at the least)
18:09<chaos>old system is a athlon xp new one is core 2 duo i'm not even sure it would boot
18:09<oldlaptop>Athlon XP... those are amd64?
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18:10<chaos>i think so, yes
18:10<oldlaptop>in any case it certainly should boot
18:10<chaos>not sure
18:10<chaos>definitely need amd64 tho since i put 8gb ram in it
18:10<oldlaptop>uname -a on the running system will tell you what arch you have *installed*
18:10<oldlaptop>or at least what kernel is running
18:11<oldlaptop>you'd know if you set up i386 userland and amd64 kernel though :)
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18:13<Marillion>looks like 32 bit
18:14<chaos>but i can use that dpkg --get-selections switch :)
18:14<chaos>thx
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18:19<oldlaptop>chaos: yep, that's the sane way
18:19<oldlaptop>especially if the new system is a different arch...
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19:10<ecla>hello, i am new to linux.. but i have one concern
19:10<ecla>i think that my machine got hacked
19:11<ecla>how can i find that out ?
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19:11<petn-randall>ecla: What makes you think that?
19:11<ecla>well
19:11<ecla>i was on an irc channel and someone send me a ctcp
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19:11<weekro>Hi everyone
19:11<ecla>i know its client to client protocol
19:11<ecla>but it sends back information
19:12<weekro>First of all...Debian is AWESOME
19:12<weekro>Now for my question
19:12<weekro>I have a problem with my network manager app
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19:13<weekro>the "options" tab in network manager is greyed out so I can't edit any of my connectionc(running 32bit debian wheezy gnome 3)
19:13<petn-randall>ecla: And did anything else happen? Does your IRC client even respond to CTCP?
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19:15<ecla>yes it did
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19:15<abhi>hi
19:15<weekro>surprisingly, when i tether my phone, the option under the tethered connections in the nm applet isnt greyed out but the rest remains greyed out. I usually dont need to change any options but I need to change options for my CDMA modem in that i need to input a network username and password but it has been greyed out
19:15<petn-randall>weekro: Can you run 'id' on the command line and check if you're part of the netdev group?
19:15<weekro>please help
19:16<abhi>verizon sucks
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19:16<fantasma>weekro: did you install all the needed packages?
19:16<fantasma>what network do you want to configure?
19:17<weekro>'sudo id' prints out 'uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root)
19:17<weekro>'
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19:17<weekro>I need to configure my CDMA modem to work on debian...all that i need to input is a network provided username and password
19:18<petn-randall>weekro: no, don't use sudo, just plain 'id'.
19:18<weekro>I installed debian wheezy using the netinstall option
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19:18<ecla>so should i reinstall the os now or not ?
19:19<weekro>@petn-randall, 'id' printsout uid=1000(weekro) gid=1000(weekro) groups=1000(weekro),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),105(scanner),110(bluetooth),112(netdev)
19:19<fantasma>weekro: use it without sudo
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19:20<ecla>ok i made my decision i will reinstall
19:20<ecla>thanks
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19:21<petn-randall>WTF? Why someone would install his OS because of an attempted CTCP is beyond my understanding.
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19:22<weekro>by the way, ck-list-session (root) prints out that my user 'active=TRUE is-local=TRUE' but for root 'active=FALSE is-local=TRUE'
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19:23<petn-randall>weekro: Since you're not logged in as root I assume.
19:24<weekro>@petn...thats the beauty of opensource...he/she did it just coz he/she can B-)
19:24<weekro>I gave my user priviledges equal to root coz i dont like logging into root (in terminal) whenever i want to install a small app
19:25<weekro>I just need to get network manager to allow me to input the username and password for my modem
19:26<weekro>@fantasma...are there any other packages needed for tnetwork manager to work fully>
19:26<weekro>?
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19:28<weekro>i can't believe this
19:28<weekro>I think i have a temporary fix for this
19:30<weekro>it requires me to tether my phone. Then a second wired connections icon appears and on clicking it, the options but wont be grayed out and that gives me to the edit connections window
19:30<weekro>this means i need to carry a usb cable around with me together with my laptop (my machine)...
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19:31<weekro>isn't there anything else i could try to fix this permanently?
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19:39<fantasma>weekro: there is always the possibility that you need two packages for the same kind of connection
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19:40<fantasma>weekro: for openvpn for example, network-manager-openvpn AND network-manager-openvpn-gnome.
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19:45<sleser>tryed installing debian on a slow laptop didnt work
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19:54<Zedoki>thierry
19:54<Zedoki>oups :$
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20:02<WangDang>Hi, I'm putting back into production a server that hasn't been used in a couple of years. I've update to the latest lenny, and am now reading the release notes for squeeze. updatint to squeeze is just a stepping stone to wheezy, so should I use the archive of squeeze or the new squeeze-lts?
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20:05<SynrG>WangDang: i would say just squeeze
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20:06<SynrG>Really, i see why there would be any difference, though.
20:06<SynrG>Don't* see
20:07<WangDang>the only things I can think of is some things aren't supported by lts but it will be more up-to-date that the latest point release in the archive
20:07<fantasma>the LongTimeSupport doesn't make a difference
20:07<fantasma>?
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20:08<SynrG>That's not what i said
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20:09<SynrG>I simply would not expect any significant difference in the upgrade path through either. They are both equally likely to succeed as an intermediary for this upgrade imho.
20:10<fantasma>it's just a question... i thought that, in general, the lts would make sense for servers only. but i don't know. am just interested
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20:10<SynrG>fantasma: that wasn't the question
20:10<SynrG>Read closely
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20:10<WangDang>SynrG: thanks
20:13<fantasma>SynrG: am reading closely. [should i use the archieve of squeeze or the new squeeze-lts]
20:13<SynrG>Nope. That's only half.
20:14<fantasma>whatever
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20:14<SynrG>For what purpose? "just a stepping stone for wheezy"
20:15<SynrG>Upgrade lenny -> squeeze -> wheezy
20:15<SynrG>and i don't think it matters what the middle upgrade is. It will last only briefly.
20:16<fantasma>yes, but then the question would be: why not NOW wheezy, no? wheezy will be freezed in november, right? so i think jessy will arrive in the second quarter of '15.
20:17<SynrG>What? He is upgrading to wheezy
20:17<fantasma>i read it (even if english isn't my language)
20:17<SynrG>You can't ship releases when you upgrade
20:18<SynrG>Skip *
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20:18<fantasma>yeah, we'll upgrage after squeeze.
20:18<fantasma>really?
20:18<fantasma>i didn't knew that.
20:19<SynrG>Read tree installation guide
20:19<SynrG>The*
20:20<fantasma>i will do it but not this night. it's after 2 am.
20:20<SynrG>It's pretty clear on this point anyway
20:21<fantasma>yup
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20:23<sleser>can i get help . with grub
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20:23<sleser>im stuck at a black screen , grub rescue it says
20:24<sleser>it wont even read from cd . when trying g-parted of a cd
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20:26<sleser>is there a way to reformat a hd from grub rescue
20:26<sleser>or a way to remoove grub
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20:44<sleser>trying gparted im geting a fatal server error . no screens found , \
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20:44<sleser>is there another way to be able to reformat the hd
20:46<sney>your livecd should have a mode that doesn't try to start X
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20:46<sleser>i downloaded a cd it isnt live
20:46<sleser>its goes to grub and gives me an option to install
20:47<sleser>is that the rite cd ?
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20:48<sleser>that cant install in the laptop n ot sure why the laptop is old
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20:48<sleser>256 mb ram only
20:49<SamB>well, you could always try starting with an older release ;-P
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20:49<sleser>like wich one
20:50<SamB>dunno, maybe first look for a console option on the boot menu or whatever ...
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20:52<sleser>im trying a tool called super grub . now in there it says no creation date in filesystem to generate uuid
20:53<sleser>any idia what it means ?
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22:12<DebDubDup>I've installed Debian on my sister's machine, but now she has no wifi. How do I figure out which firmware to install to restore conectivity?
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22:14<LtL>DebDubDup: identify the device chipset you have.
22:14<DebDubDup>LtL: How do I do that?
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22:15<LtL>DebDubDup: lspci from a shell
22:15<dualbus>DebDubDup: lspci| grep -i wireless
22:15<dualbus>if that doesn't work, remove the grep :) maybe I'm wrong about the output of lspci, in my case it works
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22:17<DebDubDup>It pulls up nothing with the grep. Without it, might is be "Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802.11a/b/g (rev 01)", or would that be the wired connector?
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22:20<LtL>DebDubDup: apt-get install firmware-b43-installer .. should do the trick
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22:21<DebDubDup>Thanks LtL! I'm going to reboot and see if that did it.
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22:28<DebDubDupe>Thanks for the help! Wifi seems to be working now.
22:28<LtL>DebDubDupe: nice :) you're welcome
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22:32<dvs>!prize LtL
22:32*dpkg gives LtL a yogi pin.
22:33<LtL>whee !
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