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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-08-21

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00:11<ginko>How risky is it to install something from testing? In my case 'apt-get install -t testing wine winetricks' has following output http://paste.debian.net/116631 Seems like a risky and heavy intervention in the system that might brake something? Tons of xserver stuff, libraries, even programs like deluge (torrent client)
00:12<ginko>Problem is: wine-version coming with wheezy is old
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00:36<jmcnaught>ginko: it's not a good idea to install packages from testing or unstable on wheezy. you can look for the packages in wheezy-backports, or you can backport the packages yourself ("/msg dpkg ssb")
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00:37<ginko>jmcnaught is generally more stable to run testing altogether than to create a hybrid monster with installing packages from testing from time to time?
00:37<ginko>jmcnaught because I have been considering switching to Testing altogether for a long time now. Think I could handle it (would even like to handle it)
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00:38<jmcnaught>ginko: running Jessie is better than running a mix of Jessie and Wheezy. But Jessie is not really finished yet or intended for mainstream use, it's a development branch for finding and fixing bugs
00:39<jmcnaught>ginko: so you give up some of the advantages to Debian Stable, like knowing that updates won't break or change behaviours. Testing also doesn't get security updates as quickly as Stable.
00:39<ginko>jmcnaught I know, don't worry. I won't cry if something brakes, and I would use some backup solution to be safe. But tbh: For experienced users it seems to be a pretty stable ride with minor bugs (most of the time) :)
00:41<jmcnaught>ginko: if you're considering it you should read up on it first, starting with http://deb.li/sidfaq (applies to testing too). After reading that you could also ask in #debian-next which is the channel for Jessie and unstable
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00:42<ginko>jmcnaught Since I have you here and nobody in #debian-next currently responds: I guess a fresh install of Stable with the immediate switch to Testing is the preferred way of doing things (not switch my current stable installed since march to testing now)?
00:44<jmcnaught>ginko: you don't need to upgrade from a fresh install. if you wait i'm sure someone in #debian-next will get back to you
00:45<ginko>jmcnaught I am sure somebody will; thanks for everything so far :) Something to digest and read about for now :))
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01:20<jzc>not have any one?
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01:28<arunjoseph>im going through linux foundation course on edx.
01:28<arunjoseph>just tried the tree command. got comamnd not found
01:28<arunjoseph>should it be run as root?
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01:30<dualbus>arunjoseph: no, install it.
01:30<dualbus>sudo apt-get install tree
01:32<arunjoseph>user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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01:33<arunjoseph>used the root terminal to run the cmd. fixed now
01:33<arunjoseph>how to stop this tree cmd. its running too long?
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01:42<TJ>ctrl+c or ctrl+x are yoru friend
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01:47<arunjoseph>anyone using synergy?
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01:48<TJ>all the time
01:48<TJ>whats up?
01:49<arunjoseph>i wanted to test it.
01:49<TJ>if it's about autostart, I am afraid I can't help much there. I don't actually turn off my linux machine very often and I have found their instructions just get me stuck in a loop so I avoid them
01:49<TJ>oh. well testing is simple
01:49<TJ>and will take you like 3 minutes
01:49<TJ>seriously, easiest thing I have ever done
01:49<TJ>Synergy just works
01:50<arunjoseph>ok, thanks
01:50<TJ>install on both and make sure you have the client name correct on your server
01:50<TJ>I would also suggest you implement encryption
01:50<TJ>just an option in the settings menu
01:50<TJ>and a passphrase
01:51<arunjoseph> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } ERROR: server refused client with name "debian" WARNING: failed to connect to server: server refused client with our name NOTE: stopping synergy desktop process
01:52<arunjoseph>i used the same password and encrypeted on both
01:52<TJ>I've had it running with 4 or 5 computers with little to no problems. Sometimes the clipboard has some trouble moving contents from one to another but you just need to give it a chance and keep an eye on it's console outputs
01:52<TJ>check that you don't have any name missmatches on the server
01:52<TJ>and that you are using the actual name of your linux box
01:53<TJ>not your username
01:53<TJ>if you're not sure, run 'hostname' on your debian terminal
01:54<TJ>I assume you are working with gui's
01:54<arunjoseph>yes. im using gui
01:54<TJ>check out terminator as a good terminal client
01:54<arunjoseph>its only asking for the ip and it is correct on both systems
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01:55<TJ>it only asks for ip on the client.
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01:55<TJ>on the server you have to configure the server and add the screen to the screen grid
01:55<arunjoseph>yes, i entered the server ip on this computer
01:55<TJ>screen's name should be that of the client's hostname
01:56<TJ>in the client you can also see your screen name under the client check box
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01:56<arunjoseph>screen name shows as debian here
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01:57<TJ>have you added a screen to the server?
01:57<arunjoseph>yes
01:57<arunjoseph>ok, it is now worked
01:57<TJ>k
01:57<arunjoseph>added a new screen with the client name and it worked
01:58<TJ>that's what I was saying
01:58<TJ>cool. glad to hear it
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01:59<arunjoseph>now, is there a way to get this display on my main computer?
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01:59<TJ>you mean you want to remote in?
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01:59<TJ>if so check out joinme, teamviewer, etc
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02:00<arunjoseph>i want to view both the windows and linux display on my monitor at the same time.
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02:00<TJ>yeah that's remote access. I assume they are both running on separate machines?
02:01<arunjoseph>yes. windows is a desktop and debian in laptop.
02:01<TJ>It's slow as balls so I suggest you either get multiple monitors, use a kvm, or just switch between inputs on you monitors.
02:01<TJ>get used to multi monitors
02:01<arunjoseph>this laptop screen is small. deskotp ha a new large monitor
02:02<arunjoseph>and not enough space on table for both.
02:02<arunjoseph>it gives me pain in neck which turning it all the time while leaning the linux course on edx.
02:02<TJ>Well try the two I suggested.
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02:03<TJ>there are several ways to remote in and I am sure something out there is faster than those two, but I hate it so I am afraid I can't help much in that regard
02:03<arunjoseph>ok
02:03<arunjoseph>thank u for the help u have provided me.
02:04<TJ>I couldn't live without my multi monitors. Use a windows laptop for some of my functions that are windows only and do most of my work off of my two linux monitors.
02:04<TJ>not a problem.
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02:10<TJ>good luck with your course and welcom to linux
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02:12<arunjoseph>few things to know is: how to show desktop and create desktop shortcuts? crtl + alt +d and ctrl + start + d does not work
02:13<TJ>That's going to be dependent on what you are using
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02:13<TJ>gnome, kde, etc
02:13<arunjoseph>i did default debian install. so it should be gnome3
02:13<TJ>just search for whatever you're using online and go through the docs.
02:13<Orphey>mate, xfce...
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02:14<TJ>Not sure what the shortcuts are since I barely ever use them
02:15<TJ>yeah xfce is light, but I like the add on system for gnome
02:15<arunjoseph>ok. im so used to windows 7 life. is there something like the win 7 taskbar where i can pin programs?
02:15<TJ>Also for just getting started (not much more than a noob myself) there are honestly better things for us to spend our time on right now than switching DE's
02:16<TJ>hit the win key.
02:16<TJ>in the top left you should see 'Activities'
02:16<TJ>there is a task bar like that in osx on the left and if you click on 'applications' you should have a list of all recognized installed applications
02:17<TJ>also make up my own shortcuts for most things soon as I learn how to these days
02:17<TJ>part of what's great about linux
02:18<TJ>(keyboard shortcuts)
02:18<arunjoseph>ok, will work on keyboard shortcuts.
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02:28<arunjoseph>on my user name, there is an x, and it says unavailable when clicking on it. google search does not bring any relevant detaails. what is that for?
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02:29<TJ>not sure what you mean. But it's common that you have to spend a little longer than normal digging into the nuts and bolts of things on google to find info specific to your issue in linux
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02:29<TJ>It's the nature of a largely open community constructed project.
02:30<TJ>where do you see this, what are you running, what are it's dependencies
02:30<arunjoseph>on the upper right corner, to the left of the user name
02:30<TJ>oh that has to do with the chat client or some such.
02:30<TJ>::shrugs:: not important
02:30<arunjoseph>ok
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05:28<rfreeman-w>oh man why the hell does network disconnect when I close laptop lid (deb testing)
05:29<rfreeman-w>is it interaction between some power saving crap and net applet not restarting properly
05:30<babilen>What a friendly and productive way to ask for help
05:30<babilen>It should immediately attempt to reconnect (NM that is) once you wake the laptop again.
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06:06<nicolas>hi how format a usb key in fat 32 please ?
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06:07<ixi>you need mkfs.vfat
06:07<jm_>mkfs.vfat
06:07<ixi>it's in package dosfstools
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06:07<jm_>sorry wrong window
06:08<nicolas>ok I try this way ;-))
06:08<nicolas>thank yu
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06:19<nicolas_>Hi guys: m not able to format my usb key in fat 32. Could anybody help me please ?
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06:19<xiqy>nicolas_: What tool are you using and what error are you getting?
06:20<nicolas_>I have used terminal
06:20<nicolas_>I don t remember a guys have tried to help but no way
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06:20<xiqy>Which command?
06:20<nicolas_>I think it s not a very hard thing to do ;-)
06:20<nicolas_>I dont remember
06:20<nicolas_>lsb_release -d
06:20<nicolas_>this one
06:21<nicolas_>the answer in terminal is: nicolas@nicolas-AO722:~$ lsb_release -d
06:21<nicolas_>Description: Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
06:21<babilen>That isn't Debian
06:21<babilen>dpkg: ubuntuirc nicolas_
06:21<dpkg>nicolas_: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
06:21<xiqy>Yeah... That wouldn't help you to format a usb drive.
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06:22<babilen>nicolas_: And mkfs.vfat has already been pointed out to you *twice*. But please seek further support in the Ubuntu channel.
06:22<nicolas_>loll oups. With windows it s just a right clic and format it ...
06:23<nicolas_>yes but I don t know why but guy s in ubuntu seems to be hungry... pfff and on mint there are nobody
06:23<nicolas_>ok m gonna check tuto on youtube
06:23<nicolas_>thank yu
06:24<nicolas_>that s just amazing to find help for this little problem
06:24<nicolas_>ok thank yu bye
06:24<babilen>That is not our problem. This channel only supports pure Debian and its users for a number of technical and social reasons. If you want support in here feel free to install Debian.
06:24<babilen>bye and good luck
06:24<nicolas_>yes m gonna install debian
06:24<babilen>dpkg: tell nicolas_ -about install debian
06:24<nicolas_>ok no prob I don t search bullshit
06:25<nicolas_>just a little way to format a key lol
06:25<babilen>yes, please ask about this in #ubuntu or install Debian. All the best!
06:25<nicolas_>I was on mint. I heve gone on ubuntu. Now m gonna test elementary os
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06:26<babilen>It doesn't matter. It is not Debian. So *please* drop it. You are wrong in this channel.
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07:32<rfreeman-w>babilen, that is a really nice version compared to what I thought =) Well it does not reconnect
07:32<rfreeman-w>meh I guess a bugreport then
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07:38<nadersith>lol, poor ubuntu nicolas
07:38<nadersith>haha
07:39<nadersith>mkfs.vfat /dev/sd(Whatever)
07:39<nadersith>as root
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07:48<Vikinger>my audio is distorted
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07:48<Vikinger>like is to loud, but lowering it doesnt do a thing
07:48<Vikinger>and i get the same distortion on either with headphone or loudspeakers
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07:50<Vikinger>can anyone help me ?
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07:52<Vikinger>my audio is distorted like is to loud, but lowering it doesnt do a thing and i get the same distortion on either with headphone or loudspeakers, can anyone help me ?
07:52<rfreeman-w>Vikinger, fire up some mixer
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07:52<rfreeman-w>Vikinger, try regulation other volumes besides the main one, sometimes it could help afair
07:53<Vikinger>where can i do that ?
07:53<jm_>and don't repeat
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07:55<Vikinger>jm_ if someone helps me i wont have any need to repeat myself
07:55<Vikinger>rfreeman-w on my mixer i have no other volumes to play with
07:55<mowdy>how can i permantly add more repository to ubuntu
07:55<jm_>!ubuntuirc mowdy
07:55<dpkg>mowdy: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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07:57<teslasmhd>Vikinger: You can try pavucontrol or veromix.
07:57<Vikinger>ok
07:57<rrt>hey guys I saw that "Release file for http://mirror.csclub.uwaterloo.ca/debian/dists/wheezy-updates/Release is expired" when I ran "apt-get udpate". I found a solution to run the "apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update" but is there any ways to correct it permanently like removing this repository?
07:57<Vikinger>teslasmhd i dont have those
07:58<teslasmhd>Vikinger: "apt-get install" them.
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07:58<jm_>'amixer scontents' will show available mixer controls and their values
08:00<Vikinger>ok
08:01<Vikinger>amixer scontents
08:01<Vikinger>Simple mixer control 'Master',0
08:01<Vikinger> Capabilities: pvolume pswitch pswitch-joined penum
08:01<Vikinger> Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right
08:01<Vikinger> Limits: Playback 0 - 65536
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08:01<Vikinger> Capture channels: Mono
08:01<Vikinger> Limits: Capture 0 - 65536
08:01<Vikinger> Mono: Capture 38295 [58%] [on]
08:01<Vikinger>sorry about that
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08:01<jm_>do not paste here
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08:02<rrt>anyone?
08:02<Vikinger>jm_ http://paste.debian.net/116677/
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08:06<Guest1528>Bom dia
08:06<Vikinger>boas
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08:06<Apollo>!br
08:06<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
08:06<Claudiomf>ok
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08:10<Claudiomf>Good Morning!
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08:12<Claudiomf>Someone knows how to solve this ? 'E:Linha mal formada 62 na lista de fontes /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)'
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08:12<Apollo>Claudiomf: we don't speak portuguese here
08:12<jm_>try providing us with an english error message
08:12<Apollo>so no
08:12<jm_>!localized errors
08:12<dpkg>Rather than hoping that we recognise what has gone wrong from the error messages in your native language, please provide any error messages in English. You can do this by setting your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. «LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install»
08:13<Claudiomf>someone knows how to solve this?
08:13<Claudiomf>'E: Malformed line 62 in source list sources.list (dist parse)'
08:13<Apollo>You tried to change your sources.list, and you did it wrong
08:14<Apollo>please use paste.debian.net to paste your sources.list
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08:17<babilen>dpkg: tell Claudiomf -about show sources.list
08:19<bobacus>Hi, I have upgraded an old box from lenny to squeeze, and in the process installed a new kernel (2.6.32.63) - the old kernel was 2.6.25.9. As part of this, I accepted the changes to fstab to use UUIDs to identify partitions (on internal drives). Unfortunately while booting these are not found. It seems that udev is not creating /dev nodes for my IDE drives & partitions.
08:19<devil>62 lines? monsterlist
08:20<jm_>bobacus: was boot loader also changed to use UUID-s?
08:20<bobacus>At the emergency shell prompt, if I echo "add" to the uevent nodes in /sys for the drives, then udev creates the /dev nodes as expected
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08:20<bobacus>I'm using syslinux, and an initrd image
08:20<jm_>oh boy
08:21<devil>lenny? /me faintly remembers...
08:21<bobacus>cat /proc/cmdline gives:
08:21<bobacus>initrd=cf-ext2.gz root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk_size=65536 vga=791 BOOT_IMAGE=26_32_63.vmz
08:21<bobacus>old school ;)
08:22<devil>very
08:23<bobacus>The script that fails is S30checkfs.sh
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08:24<jm_>wait, are you saying kernel mounts / but then S30checkfs.sh fails?
08:25<bobacus>I think (bloody hope) / is the ram disk populated by cf-ext2.gz (a gzipped EXT2 image)
08:26<bobacus>Let me just grab the error from S30checkfs
08:26<jm_>at the end of initrd pivot_root is called
08:27<jm_>after it's mounted obviously
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08:30<bobacus>BTW There's lots of noisy warnings about z60_xserver-xorg-input-wacom.rules (SYSFS will be removed in a future udev version)
08:31<bobacus>ok, swapon fails first - cannot find the device for UUID=a5395490-etc...
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08:34<jm_>you can check if udev creates them in /dev/disk/*, but I have to run now
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08:35<bobacus>"/dev/disk" doesn't exist (though other dev nodes do)
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08:38<babilen>Claudiomf: ping?
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09:15<rostam>hi
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09:17<rostam>hi I am trying to suppress the output of the "apt-get install" I have used "-q" and still prints too much stuff, what should I do ? thanks
09:17<babilen>What are you really trying to do?
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09:20<rostam>babilen, I am sinstalling a set of packages on my system using apt-get install.
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09:21<babilen>Okay, why is it problematic to see some output. Which output do you get with "-q" and what would you prefer?
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09:27<rostam>babilen, I am trying to debug a script which apt-get is called from it. I am trying to get less output from the script so I can debug better. The apt-get prints information about packages which at this time they are fine and not sure of the script bug.
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11:43<tidal>hey guys
11:44<Maulkin>!ask
11:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
11:44<tidal>i'm running wheezy and i'm trying to update to the 3.2.0-4-amd64 kernel
11:44<tidal>but update-grub isn't found
11:44<tidal>how do i tell grub to add a new kernel?
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11:47<mtn>tidal: update-grub does not update the kernel ;) you can get a much newer kernel from backports if that is what you want.
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11:48<tidal>well i have linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 installed but it boots to the old kernel (2.6.32-5-amd64) on reboot
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11:49<mtn>tidal: you should have kernel options in the grub menu during boot
11:49<mtn>tidal: wheezy came with 3.2 anyway
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11:50<tidal>hmm the boot options should show automatically?
11:50<tidal>ok
11:51<tidal>i think i updated to wheezy from squeeze that's why it's still runing 2.6.32-5-amd64
11:52<tidal>because i'm running debian 7.6 now
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11:52<mtn>tidal: doesn't really matter, you should see the kernel options in the grub menu at boot. give it a try.
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11:52<grandie>tidal: it would be better if you only press "enter/return" once you have written your reply, doing it to often may get you kicked off for flooding ;)
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12:07<sevenzero>I get kernel panic with debian stable + grsecurity kernel everyday almost, can someone help me diagnose?
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12:22<DrZaius>to start another session in tty8 i usually login in tty1 and type startx... does anybody know how could I do this with another desktop enviroment instead of the default one?
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12:58<valdyn>DrZaius: as the manpage sais, the first argument given is a client
12:58<valdyn>DrZaius: "startx -- /usr/bin/startkde" maybe
12:59<valdyn>DrZaius: err, first..
12:59<valdyn>DrZaius: "startx /usr/bin/startkde" maybe
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13:11<DrZaius>valdyn: thanks!
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13:16<pos>How can I choose a specific dependency to install with apt-get when there is more than one possibility? What I would like to do is install owncloud with nginx as httpd instead of the default apache2.
13:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 702] by debhelper
13:17<DrZaius>pos, install the dependency in the apt line
13:17<pos>Ok, I will try that
13:17<DrZaius>apt install nginx owncloud && apt-mark auto nginx
13:18<pos>Thanks, will try
13:18<DrZaius>i mean, that will work... not sure if is the proper way
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13:19<DrZaius>pos no, that will not work, because owncloud does not list nginx as acceptable dependence
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13:20<DrZaius>maybe is a bug or maybe it does not work with it
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13:20<DrZaius>Depends: apache2 | httpd
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13:20<pos>It still shows apache2 in the dependencies
13:21<pos>But httpd is a virtual package which includes nginx and others web server
13:21<Zaba>DrZaius, the various nginx packages provide httpd
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13:21<DrZaius>oh... ^^
13:22<Vikinger>my wireless logitech headphones dont work properly
13:22<DrZaius>it shows i dont know about nginx ^^
13:22<Vikinger>anyone knows about it ?
13:22<DrZaius>pos: anyway, install it _before_
13:22<rfreeman-w>I lament state of Debian... it's so terribly full of bugs
13:22<DrZaius>and it should not try to install apache then
13:22<pos>I tried installing nginx before, however apache2 is still shown in apt-get output of dependencies
13:23<rfreeman-w>lol like now... when you delete a file in gui manager, then sound volume of music playing in background jumps up. network disconnects on lid close... audio stops working on headphones plug-in
13:23<Apollo>rfreeman-w: good on you, now do you have an actual question?
13:23<DrZaius>pos: maybe some other dependence depends on apache :S
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13:23<rfreeman-w>Apollo, why, and is anything new done to change this situation that persists for at least 5 years
13:24<rfreeman-w>3rd question is why we took in systemd and can we remove it yet
13:24<Apollo>So you're trolling. got it
13:24<DrZaius>rfreeman-w: the answer to most of you questions is because nobody has stepped in to fix it yet
13:24<rfreeman-w>nope, this are actual questions that need a solution
13:25<mullein>rfreeman-w: have you filed good bug reports?
13:25<DrZaius>would you kindly step up?
13:25<rfreeman-w>DrZaius, maybe, but other option is distro switch. Question is could a large number of people, and will power be gathered
13:25<rfreeman-w>about will, it seems it was technical commitet decission to activly take in systemd
13:26<DrZaius>rfreeman-w: other distros lack even more man power... but be my guess if you want to switch
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13:26<rfreeman-w>DrZaius, I mean, is there enough people who want to have debian as a good usable desktop, to polish and debug it, instead going to mint or arch for example
13:26<alrai>hello what i do wrong on this line aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports)) ???
13:26<rfreeman-w>enough new people... I guess twice more is needed
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13:27<DrZaius>rfreeman-w: i followed the whole systemd debate... basically debian is eager to take people fixing and maintaining other solutions from systemd
13:27<DrZaius>would you step up? we need the work
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13:29<DrZaius>rfreeman-w: yeah, downstream from debian is basically 95% debian
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13:30<DrZaius>we do prefer ppl doing the polish in debian...
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13:30<valdyn>it would be a very challanging task to maintain alternatives. That just wont work.
13:31<alrai>what i need to do to work"
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13:31<alrai>?
13:31<pos>Just a quick update on my situation: I installed nginx + php5-fpm and now when installing owncloud, apache2 is not shown in the dependency list. Thank you for your help!
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13:32<rfreeman-w>DrZaius, I can do some work - e.g. I developed SameKernel (which is not best debian practice, though something usable related to debian)
13:32<SynrG>rfreeman-w: i'll repeat what your doctor has posted in the waiting room: please don't show up with a long list of complaints. stick to your most pressing concern and schedule another visit for the rest.
13:32<DrZaius>pos: did you check the dependences of the dependences manually? i always wondered how to do that
13:32<SynrG>so now i'm waiting for an actual support question.
13:32<rfreeman-w>DrZaius, but 1 person is nothing, we need imo 50% to +100% of current manpower, would be the rough estimate
13:32<SynrG>the rest is OT. please no more of it here.
13:32<valdyn>DrZaius: there is apt-rdepends
13:33<pos>DrZaius: no, I don't know either
13:33<rfreeman-w>SynrG, problem with say 10 bugs, seen as general problem is not topic of #debian ?
13:33<alrai>!dpkg
13:33<dpkg>rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
13:34<SynrG>rfreeman-w: we're a support channel. we're not the "unproductively whine about Debian" channel
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13:34<SynrG>give us a problem to work on
13:34<valdyn>rfreeman-w: if you have an idea to improve something, you best write a proposal on a mailing list, dont do that in this channel
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13:34<DrZaius>pos: how did you find out that you had to install php5-fpm?
13:34<DrZaius>just trial and error?
13:35<rfreeman-w>SynrG, my question was also, is there anything big planned in area of code quality, like some big bug hunting, or crowd funding or something
13:36<pos>DrZaius: Yes, mostly it
13:36<SynrGy>i refer you to the debian-announce and debian-devel-announce mailing lists where you can learn about what is planned.
13:36<SynrGy>go through the archives and see announcements of recent plans.
13:36<SynrGy>(the former for general project announcements, the latter for development announcements)
13:37<DrZaius>rfreeman-w: code quality is a very large topic... yes, theres few ppl working on different areas on that
13:37<DrZaius>rfreeman-w: #debian is a support channel... join us in #debian-offtopic to digress about debian
13:38<DrZaius>we love to digress there tood ^^
13:38<DrZaius>too*
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13:41<alrai>Guys to upgrade my kernel i just need change one line on source.list and use apt-get???
13:41<rryoumaa>if the one line is backports, i think yes
13:41<mtn>alrai: not likely. which version of debian and which kernel do you want?
13:41<alrai>yes =)
13:41<alrai>the most recent =)
13:42<alrai>the newest
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13:44<babilen>alrai: Well, the most recent where? Stable has 3.2. Is that recent enough for you?
13:45<babilen>dpkg: tell alrai -about bdo kernel
13:45<babilen>alrai: Or do you want the 3.14 in wheezy-backports? Or an even newer kernel? Why do you want that kernel?
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13:53<alrai>what is the diference with bpo 1 and bpo 2 on the linuximages?
13:54<valdyn>alrai: its just a new version number
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13:54<valdyn>alrai: err , hold
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13:54<valdyn>alrai: its a new package name, not a new version of the same package
13:55<valdyn>alrai: this means that certain breaking changes happened. You need to recompile 3rd party modules for example
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14:11<alrai>valdyn: i`m getting error
14:11<alrai>requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
14:11<alrai>distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
14:11<alrai>or been moved out of Incoming.
14:11<alrai>The following information may help to resolve the situation:
14:11-!-alrai was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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14:13<alrai>sorry
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14:14<alrai>i`m geting error when i try do apt- get install linux-image
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14:16<babilen>alrai: What exactly are you doing?
14:16<babilen>dpkg: bdo kernel
14:16<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
14:16<babilen>alrai: Do you follow ^^^
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14:16<babilen>dpkg: tell alrai -about bat
14:17<babilen>alrai: Please paste the requested information along with your sources.list, your command and its output to http://paste.debian.net
14:17<alrai>ok
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14:40<babilen>alrai: ping?
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14:56<alrai>babilen: i can`t sorry i`m using text mode
14:56<alrai>=(
14:59<babilen>dpkg: tell alrai -about pastebinit
14:59<babilen>alrai: But why are you not using a graphical interface?
15:00<alrai>to learn =)
15:00<alrai>text mode is more hard =)
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15:02<babilen>I fail to see how that is good, but okay. (fwiw, you can easily use terminals in Xorg too and a simple window manager such as openbox, fluxbox or i3 might be to your liking)
15:03<babilen>And there is still enough to learn, believe me. :)
15:03<mullein>alrai, if you want to be able to cut+paste without a graphical interface, look at the gpm package
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15:03<uhgk>yo
15:03<uhgk> where i can download only compiled programs?
15:03<mullein>and lynx, links2, w3m are text-mode web browsers
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15:07<alrai>ok =)
15:07<alrai>i will install it
15:07<alrai>tks
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15:08<SynrGy>or in screen meta-[, arrow keys to mark, press enter, and meta-] to paste
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15:08<ekodauhm>hi, anyone know if this command is correctly executed on debian jessie:
15:09<babilen>→ #debian-next
15:09<ekodauhm>sudo update-rc.d iptablesfile defaults
15:09<mullein>uhgk: there is a wealth of compiled programs in various debian packages
15:09<babilen>ekodauhm: What is that supposed to accomplish
15:09<ekodauhm>ok thank you babilen :)
15:09<ekodauhm>ah,
15:10<ekodauhm>so start with operating system
15:10<uhgk>mullein, not via apt, v
15:10<babilen>uhgk: Why not?
15:10<uhgk>but on a zip
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15:11<babilen>uhgk: Why? What are you trying to achieve? How does that relate to Debian?
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15:12<uhgk>a compied program that i put it on a pendrive,,
15:12<ekodauhm>babilen: <ekodauhm> so start with operating system > the command on the specified name file
15:13<VastOne>Does anyone know the status of kernel 3.15? It seems to have disappeared from all debian sources, though 3.16 testing is available in sid, 3.15 has moved out of all sources, or so it seems
15:13<babilen>uhgk: Download .deb files, unpack them with ar and off you go
15:13<uhgk>hours and hours for to compiling a packeg source
15:14<uhgk>babilen, that all?
15:14<babilen>VastOne: Why would you require that kernel? (you typically want even numbered ones)
15:14<babilen>uhgk: Are you using Debian?
15:15<uhgk>yes..
15:15<VastOne>Why would I want even numbers? sid is what I use and want the latest kernels that are not in RC mode
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15:15<VastOne>3.15 went all through RC in SID but then disappeared
15:16<Marillion>3.15 is EOL
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15:16<VastOne>so it never released and it is EOL?
15:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 702] by debhelper
15:17<joeyo>is there a way generate a deb from an installed package?
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15:17<VastOne>Yes there is
15:17<Marillion>VastOne: is EOL from mainline kernel.org
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15:17<joeyo>do you have pointers? i've been unable to google it
15:17<VastOne>Yes one sec joeyo
15:17<joeyo>thanks
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15:19<VastOne>dpkg-repack is the tool I use
15:19<VastOne>looking for a how to for you
15:19<VastOne>that is very useful
15:19<babilen>VastOne: Because even numbered kernels are for production use and off numbered ones for development
15:19<babilen>*odd
15:19<VastOne>I work in development
15:20<koollman>babilen: not the case anymore
15:20<joeyo>VastOne: thanks i think i found one
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15:20<VastOne>http://www.debian-administration.org/article/499/Re-creating_Debian_binary_packages_with_dpkg-repack
15:20<babilen>koollman: Yeah, right I just realised that
15:20<VastOne>thanks
15:21<babilen>dpkg: tell VastOne -about snapshot
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15:22<VastOne>Thanks babilen ... a very strange path but a path it is
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15:22<babilen>What's wrong with 3.14 or 3.16 ?
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16:15<alrai>now i`m on gnome =)
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16:17<devil>condolences ;)
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16:19<alrai>why: devil? what is better?
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16:19<alrai>devil: have another better?
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16:20<babilen>From "console only" to "Gnome" :)
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16:20<devil>there is no objective better, there is likes & dislikes. I prefer KDE for over a decade now
16:20<alrai>from console only to gnome is a another world =) lol
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16:21<babilen>alrai: I like minimal tiling window managers like i3, awesome or xmonad. It's all up to your personal preferences and there really is no "bad" to "good". All of them are good and you just have to figure out what you like.
16:21<Marillion>alrai: maybe you will like awesome or wmii
16:22<Marillion>alrai: that is what babilen means with tiling window managers
16:22<Marillion>babilen: to slow, sorry :)
16:24<babilen>np
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16:25<alrai>ok i will taste them =)
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16:26*Marillion has a lot of experience with wmii
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16:31<alrai>guys i get go thanks for help!
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17:33<sakax>how do I wget a flash video stream when the cache shows a variable link?
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17:36<SamB>sakax: variable link?
17:37<sakax>SamB: yes, it's a 1 hour video stream (not copyrighted) which apparently is streamed as a bunch of small files
17:38<sakax>when i look in about:cache i find a lot of
17:38<sakax>http://vod.stream.vrt.be/mp_vod_be/_definst_/smil:belgium/2014/8/vod_282848/PC.smil/media-b983040_46.ts?wowzasessionid=1567382695
17:38<sakax>http://vod.stream.vrt.be/mp_vod_be/_definst_/smil:belgium/2014/8/vod_282848/PC.smil/media-b983040_47.ts?wowzasessionid=1567382695
17:38<SamB>sakax: how is it not copyrighted? is it made by monkeys or something?
17:38<sakax>it's from national state television
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17:39<sakax>i just mentioned non-copyrighted as I copy-pasted the hyperlink to avoid discussions
17:39<sakax>:)
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17:39<sakax>these links all allow me wget a very short part of the video
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17:51<pythmano>salut blue
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18:43<Stephany21> Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/sexxxvideohot
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18:49<rostam>HI is there a IPad simulator running on Debian? thanks
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19:01<Guest1603>hello
19:01<Guest1603>hello
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19:04<thanatos>IDENTIFY
19:04<Guest1603>thanatos: hello can you see this
19:04<thanatos>I can see that
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19:05<ncl>good talk
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19:09<Jeanette21> Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://bit.do/sexxxvideohot
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19:17<SamB>hmm, I want to install Debian on a system that's already got Windows 7 installed. I wonder if I should use LVM ...
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19:23<Brigo>SamB, what is the realion between windows and you need for lvm?
19:23<Brigo>relation*
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19:29<petn-randall>SamB: What Brigo said, choosing LVM (or not) is irrelevant if there is an other OS. I'd do it, it's a more complicated setup (one more layer of abstraction), but snapshots and online resizing are just two perks I don't want to miss anymore.
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19:34<SamB>petn-randall: well, if I didn't want to leave Windows around, perhaps I could just, you know, fill the disk with / or something
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19:36<MY123>Good, now in OFTC. ( I am also in Freenode)
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19:37<SamB>petn-randall: and not need to worry much about resizing
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19:47<Crowe167>Hi
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19:48<christian_>hey all, anyone around to give a quick hand with mysql
19:48<Crowe167>I'm using Debian Wheezy and I have native IPv6. I enabled "privext 2" after the "iface eth0 inet6 auto" line in my /etc/network/interfaces
19:49<Crowe167>My Debian is running in VirtualBox. I get a privacy IPv6 address, but I can't reach any IPv6-enabled server or website.
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19:49<Crowe167>How can I fix it?
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19:51<Crowe167>christian_, tell us your problem
19:52<christian_>hi sorry
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19:52<christian_>I’ve just got a fresh install of headless Debian, moved over from Ubuntu
19:52<christian_>I’ve install mysql
19:52<christian_>all I want is to be able to login from a client on another computer with a username
19:52<christian_>I’ve created the user
19:53<christian_>both localhost and 192.168.0.*
19:53<christian_>can’t connect though
19:53<Crowe167>Did you ran "mysql_secure_installation" and changed anything like remote logins?
19:53<christian_>or actually even log in with that user in the shell
19:53<christian_>I didn’t run that
19:53<christian_>haven’t changed anything
19:53<christian_>this is the first thing I’ve gone to install
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19:53<christian_>just created the user so far
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19:53<Crowe167>christian_, you have to to change the listen address of your mysql my.cnf from 127.0.0.1 to 0.0.0.0
19:54<christian_>nope
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19:54<christian_>I’ve done this before on ubuntu but a long time ago
19:54<christian_>first things first
19:54<christian_>I can’t log in with that user
19:54<christian_>ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'xbmc'@'localhost' (using password: YES)
19:55<christian_>on the actual computer
19:55<Crowe167>If I understand this: You've installed a fresh mysql server using apt and now you want to connect remotely to this server?
19:55<christian_>yes but I want to create a user first and foremost
19:55<christian_>which I have
19:55<christian_>SELECT User,Host FROM mysql.user;
19:55<christian_>that shows my user
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19:56<Crowe167>Is the entered password in the creatin process and the entered password in the remote login correct and the same?
19:56<christian_>yes
19:56<Crowe167>*creation
19:56<christian_>no remote login at the minute
19:56<christian_>I’m just in the shell
19:56<christian_>that the mysql server is on
19:56<christian_>mysql -u xbmc -p
19:57<christian_>I can login as root obviously
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19:57<Crowe167>Try to change the password again with this method and try again: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/set-password.html
19:58<Crowe167>SET PASSWORD FOR 'jeffrey'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('cleartext password');
19:58<christian_>does the password have to be in ‘’
19:59<christian_>so if it was guest
19:59<Crowe167>Yes, the cleartext password ... the entered value (example: myg00dp4ssw0rd) will me encrypted when you press enter
19:59<christian_>SET PASSWORD FOR ‘guest’@‘localhost’ = PASSWORD(‘guest’);
19:59-!-ginko [~ginko@0001b68f.user.oftc.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
19:59<Crowe167>Now, can you login now as "guest"?
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20:00<christian_>but should it be that or
20:00<christian_>SET PASSWORD FOR ‘guest’@‘localhost’ = ‘guest’;
20:01<Crowe167>"= 'guest'" is the already encrypted key, you have to type PASSWORD('guest') and mysql will encrypt it autimatically for you
20:01<christian_>wayyy I’m in
20:01<Crowe167>When you logjn the entered password will be encrypted before it send it to the server
20:02<christian_>sorry
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20:02<christian_>it’s 1am here and the missus is getting annoyed that I’m staying up playing with computers
20:02<Crowe167>It's 2am here ;)
20:02<christian_>doh!
20:02<christian_>well thanks for the help then, super late!
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20:02<christian_>right so that’s cracked
20:02<Crowe167>no problem, yoou're welcome
20:03<christian_>do I need a user @ipaddress?
20:03<Crowe167>*you're
20:03<christian_>or is that not needed?
20:03<Crowe167>only if you have multiple servers as a cluster
20:03<Crowe167>bot not needed for a single server
20:03<christian_>nope
20:03<christian_>ok let me remove them
20:03<dimitry7>Hello Guys. I have a debian 6 server which I migrated to a virtual machine to run in Xen using TAR and NetCat. The thing is that at first it does not boot. It doesnt even go to the grub rescue mode. In fact it does not show everything. Searching... I have done this http://pastebin.com/gNJMxWeq
20:03<christian_>in fact I’ll do that in a bit
20:03<dimitry7>but it still can't boot.
20:03<christian_>I’ll hunt down the my.cnf
20:04<Crowe167>christian_, the bind address change is only needed if you want to enable remote logins ;)
20:04<christian_>well from another local machine yes
20:04<Crowe167>But beware, it's not secure to allow all IP adresses/ranges in the public internet
20:04<dimitry7>I think that is the way to repair GRUB, isn't it?
20:05<christian_>only 192.168.0.*
20:05<christian_>is that unsafe?
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20:05<Crowe167>christian_, no, 192.168.0.0/16 and only "local" and should not be routable through the internet
20:05<Crowe167>*are
20:06<Crowe167>it's safe
20:06<uniqdom>do you know a channel to talk about gtk programming?
20:06<christian_>ohh wait I’ve changed it to 0.0.0.0
20:06<Crowe167>damnit! :D
20:06<christian_>:)
20:06<christian_>so whats 0/16
20:06<christian_>is that 0 > 16
20:06<christian_>or 16bits or something
20:06<Crowe167>let me google that for you, moment
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20:07<Crowe167>the /16 is the subnet size, but i think you can't set a subnet in the my.cnf
20:07<Crowe167>one moment
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20:07<christian_>I’ll just do 192.168.0.*
20:07<christian_>that’ll work won’t it?
20:07<Crowe167>christian_, http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-do-i-enable-remote-access-to-mysql-database-server.html - section 2 and/or 3
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20:08<Crowe167>You can only allow ONE address :(
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20:08<uniqdom>do you know a channel to talk about gtk programming?
20:09<Crowe167>But you can comment the bind-address line and use the firewall ... blocking all onnection to port 3306 and allowing 192.168.0.0/16 to connect to 3306
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20:09<Crowe167>iptables / ip6tables is recommended ;)
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20:09<erebus>hello
20:09<Crowe167>hi
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20:10<erebus>hello
20:10<christian_>hmmm don’t know which router is controlling that at the minute
20:10<christian_>I’ve had to have two setup
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20:10<christian_>thing the rubbish one is in control
20:10<Crowe167>christian_, in most cases the iptables are enough
20:10<Crowe167>But if you have a datacenter i would using more than 2 firewalls :P
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20:12<christian_>this is just local home stuff
20:12<christian_>nothing special
20:12<Crowe167>then, the iptables is enough
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20:12<christian_>setting it up for python development etc
20:12<christian_>cool
20:13<christian_>is there an allow hosts bit?
20:13<christian_>even with 0.0.0.0
20:13<Crowe167>where?
20:13<christian_>host ‘myhost’ is not allowed to connect to this mysql server
20:13<christian_>in the my.cnf
20:14<Crowe167>No, i recommend to comment the bind-address line, restarting the mysql server and configuring iptables to block all incoming connections to the port 3306 and allowing all incoming connection from 192.168.0.0/16 or whatever your subnet is
20:15<christian_>ok cool trying that now
20:15<Crowe167>I think #bind-address and bind-address 0.0.0.0 are the same
20:15<Crowe167>But i'm not sure
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20:16<Crowe167>You can try it out if you want ;)
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20:17<Crowe167>christian_, if you're new to iptables: https://wiki.debian.org/iptables
20:18<christian_>thanks saved it for tomorrow
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20:18<christian_>ok I’m going to have to leave it
20:18<christian_>20mins past what I said I’d give it
20:19<christian_>thank you so much for your help
20:19<Crowe167>no problem
20:19<christian_>I’m going to have to admit defeat and stick the old os card back in (all run off microsd card on CuBox). That has everything all setup already
20:19<christian_>in fact, I’ll probably just nick the conf filre from that latesr
20:20<christian_>good night
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20:20<christian_>and thanks again
20:20<Crowe167>good night
20:20<Crowe167>you're welcome
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20:24<Crowe167>I'm going to bed, good night all, see you soon
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21:43<peter1138>hmm, how can i make /dev/sg2 & /dev/sg3 be chgrp disk?
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21:43<peter1138>some udev incantation i guess?
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23:00<canaima>yetgr
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23:51<pred>alguien¿¿¿???
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