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00:58<viper>Hello all. I was told by someone that use's debian linux that he set up a land line phone service for free on his debian computer. is that really possible or is that person just blowing smoke with me
00:59<viper>if it helps any the person said that he found the software to do the set up in the debian repository.
00:59<jm_>probably talking about asterix
01:00<viper>asterix ?
01:01<jm_>ahh right spelling ...
01:01<jm_>thanks for correcting me
01:01<mullein>asterix is a french comic character :)
01:01<viper>so what all would someone need to set up there own free home phone service on the linux computer system like that
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01:02<mullein>viper, i'd take a look at the supported hardware mentioned on the page i just linked to, then let the google go wild
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01:03<viper>mullein ok thank you all so much. i didnt think that the person that told me that was telling the truth. normaly he dont. but thank you all for all of you time and help i am going to read up on the information that you all have given me.
01:03<viper>thanks agen
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01:09<beagleburt>G'day from New Zealand everyone. How do I get rid of XChat: Channel List (Debian Servers) dialogue box? The is no "Cancel" button & I tried "Esc" but it is still in the way?
01:10<jm_>why are you asking this in #debian?
01:11<beagleburt><jm_> because I called up the channel list to find #Debian
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01:11<jm_>yes but how is this related to debian?
01:11<jm_>try #xchat on
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01:12<beagleburt><jm_> thank you
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03:22<txt-file>greetings helmut_
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05:06<duclicsic>can anyone suggest to me what the best way to configure additional addresses on the loopback interface might be? simply putting them in the interfaces config doesn't seem to work
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05:06<duclicsic>currently I'm having to call a script in if-pre-up.d
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05:07<koollman>duclicsic: mostly like a regular other address you add to an existing interface. add a number
05:08<sven>i use that approach too, but it feels very 90s
05:08<sven>as it creates virtual interface instances and everything
05:08<jm_>or simply use post-up ip addr add ...
05:10<agdhun>I'm a freshman
05:10<agdhun>This is my first
05:10<agdhun>to chat with you
05:10<duclicsic>this approach doesn't play too well with iproute2
05:10<duclicsic>for example doing "ip link set dev lo:0 up" doesn't return an error, but the interface doesn't come up
05:11<duclicsic>ifup works
05:11<peter1138>hmm, lsof getting pulled in by php update :S
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05:12<sven>lsof <3
05:12<duclicsic>and annoyingly, ifconfig shows the virtual interfaces on their own, but "ip addr" shows the addresses as belonging to lo
05:13<duclicsic>i get why, but it's an annoying inconsistency
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05:15<peter1138>annoying the php script that needs lsof checks for lsof's presence before calling it, so it seems not entirely necessary
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06:10<chris_>hi leute ich hoffe ich bin mit meiner frage hier richtig. ich nutze debian testing und habe den nvidia treiber installiert. nun habe ich gehört, dass es dann probleme geben kann, wenn per dist-upgrade ein neuer kernel installiert wird. stimmt das so?
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06:10<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in (auf, oder - German speaking users please go to (on, or
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07:35<beagleburt>G'day from New Zealand everyone. I downloaded java today (# ls => -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 48426207 Aug 22 16:54 jre-7u67-linux-i586.tar.gz but when I unpacked it, # ls ....uucp 143..... were reported as the owner & group? Why not ...root root ... or ...user user...????
07:35<beagleburt>What are ...uucp 143... anyway?
07:36<markvandenborre>beagleburt: why not use Debian packaged Java?
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07:37<jm_>you can also unpack with --no-same-owner
07:38<beagleburt>markvandenborre, I did try but I got a "no such package" type of answer...I did not know what to use in apt-get?
07:38<jm_>so try apt-cache search java
07:38<jm_>add more keywords depending on what exactly you are looking for
07:38<babilen>dpkg: install java
07:38<dpkg>For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>.
07:39<beagleburt>jm_, ok thank you - (again!) - jm_ & babilen !!
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07:40<jm_>beagleburt: did you solve the kernel issue?
07:40<jm_>or udev or whatever it was
07:42<beagleburt>jm_, previous problem solved tku
07:42<jm_>beagleburt: what was it if you don't mind?
07:44<beagleburt>jm_, xchat dialogue window ...needed "Alt+F4" to get rid of it - not very intuitive!
07:44<jm_>beagleburt: ahh sorry I confused you with another user :)
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07:46<beagleburt>jm_, that's quite ok...i have trouble remembering "."!
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07:54<ikki>hi guys I got a problem to activate compiz 3d... compiz setting manager windows appear but it doen t do anything like the cube or anything... any suggest ? thanks
07:54<SynrGy>,v compiz
07:54<judd>Package: compiz on i386 -- squeeze: 0.8.4-4
07:54<SynrGy>ikki: so are you really on squeeze? or something else?
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07:57<ikki>oups SynrGy I didn t saw you was talking to me
07:58<SynrGy>ikki: the current stable debian does not include compiz. so you would need to seek support elsewhere.
07:58<ikki>I got compiz setting manager windows but no 3d effetc works
07:58<ikki>ouch ! lol so that s dead ?
07:58<SynrGy>what release of debian are you on?
07:58<SynrGy>it might be revived ...
07:58<SynrGy>but if so, then not until the next release.
07:58<ikki>today I have just installed elementary os to try it
07:58<dpkg>elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. #elementary on
07:59<SynrGy>so you're in the wrong place (wrong network, too)
07:59<ikki>ok I go on ubuntu sorry dude
07:59<SynrGy>what? they won't help either ...
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07:59<devil>ikki: compiz is not generaly dead, but in debian it is atm. ubuntu packages it still, knoppix used it in it's latest release
08:00<SynrGy>yeesh. i pointed him exactly where to go and he read the first 9 words of that factoid and ignored the rest
08:00<SynrGy>ubuntu and derivs are for people with tiny attention spans? :)
08:01<SynrGy>(no offense intended for intelligent ubuntu-users present :)
08:01<devil>well, basing your coice of OS on the availability of compiz....
08:02<SynrGy>if you're addicted to spinning desktop cubes, is a reasonable thing? :)
08:02<devil>SynrGy: uuh, just barely got out of that one ;)
08:02<SynrGy>(everyone needs a hobby)
08:02<SynrGy>sorry for the OT. we return now to regularly scheduled programming ...
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10:27<beagleburt>Downloaded java from debian repo with apt-get install but when i test it with it fails. I have checked FAQ's & Help but nothing I do seems to work?
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10:29<kxkanon>install java 7 with apt: sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jre
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10:29<beagleburt>kxkanon, I have done that?
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10:30<babilen>beagleburt: Did you also install the icedtea plugin? What do you want to use Java for?
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10:30<beagleburt>babilen, I have installed icedtea also
10:31<babilen>There were some problems with that website and Icedtea. What do you actually want to use it for? Does *that* work?
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10:33<kxkanon>ping crystal
10:33<beagleburt>babilen, java is for online chess playing @ freechessinternetserver...YES! *that* popped up - will see if it werks tku!
10:34<beagleburt>babilen, What did you do???
10:35<babilen>beagleburt: The java detection website is broken and quite often the plugin works even though it claims not to.
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10:36<beagleburt>babilen, Do Oracle know?
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10:36<babilen>Oracle don't care about OpenJDK
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10:37<beagleburt>babilen, OK IC - (but WHAT did you do? plz!)?
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10:39<babilen>I didn't do anything.
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11:21<prometheus_>Hi, sorry for bumping in, I'm new in debian community. I'm using jessie on my edge e440 laptop, and I'm testing that verision. I found some with irregularities with GUI. where can I send printscreen of this problem?
11:22<prometheus_>p.s. it is not an error or something that is crashed, but some letters on apps are missing
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11:23<petn-randall>hi prometheus_, jessie/sid are supported on #debian-next, you can describe your problem there and ask for directions.
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11:24<prometheus_>thank you very much.. I wish to contribute so I would rather contact someone to give him all feedbacks and problems that I have encountered.
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11:31<petn-randall>prometheus_: Btw, it's not unusual to wait for an hour for an answer if the channel is slow, that's how IRC sometimes is. Be assured that the channel members will read the backlog and respond to your question if they know the answer. :)
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11:56<Messi>How can I harden my Debian system?
11:56<Messi>It is extremely vulnerable, like a bird on a tree without a feather.
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11:56<Messi>I'd like to install PAX and other hardening utilities.
11:56<petn-randall>!tell Messi about hardening
11:56<Messi>but, how?
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11:56<Messi>yes, I want to install grsecurity aswell.
11:56<Messi>Is it possible to do that?
11:57<Messi>Some say it is not?
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11:57<petn-randall>Messi: Check what dpkg sent you, you can enter any keywords in <...> and it will respond with another factoid.
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11:58<Messi><Messi> what the fuck
11:58<Messi><dpkg> This!
11:58<Messi><Messi> fuck off
11:58<Messi><dpkg> you too, you cunt
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11:58<Messi>Not very nice.
11:59<Messi>This bot is a vile, vindictive and an ruthless AI.
11:59<lostatwork>now that is hilarious
12:00<petn-randall>Messi: Well, don't abuse the bot then. If you send it sensible keywords, it will also respond with sensible answers.
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12:14<anonymous_>Any 1 here
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12:14<petn-randall>anonymous_: yes, we can read you.
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12:34<beagleburt>Synaptic has no verification of packages since I re-installed...How do I restore verification in Synaptic?
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12:35<petn-randall>beagleburt: How do you know it doesn't verify packages?
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12:44<beagleburt>petn-randall, sorry I meant apt-get: WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! libsexy2 tcl8.5 xchat-common xchat ///Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
12:44<petn-randall>beagleburt: I'm assuming you must have removed the debian archive key. What were the steps that led to this situation?
12:45<beagleburt>petn-randall, But also I noticed in Synaptic that there were missing entries : the keys!...
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12:45<beagleburt>DNS: tku
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12:47<beagleburt>petn-randall, I had been messing around with /etc/apt/sources.list & synaptic repo urls...
12:47<ratcheer>beagleburt: You can try fixing it by installing package debian-archive-keyring. I cannot guarantee that it will fix it, but it shouldn't hurt anything.
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12:59<beagleburt>ratcheer, "debian-archive-keyring is already the newest version."
13:00<ratcheer>beagleburt: Ok. It was worth a shot.
13:00<beagleburt>ratcheer, tku anyway
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13:08<Eremiell>is there some package (or otherwise available software) allowing for direct markdown visualisation?
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13:28<babilen>Eremiell: "markdown foo.mdwn > foo.html ; xdg-open foo.html" ?
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13:39<Eremiell>babilen: I was hoping for something file "showmd &", but I guess I can script that in bash... I wanted to skip the md2html conversion, but I guess nevermind.
13:40<Eremiell>*something like
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13:42<mekaj>i stupidly deleted my /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen file thinking it would come back when I reinstalled Xen. now i'm stuck figuring out how to get it back.
13:43<mekaj>i've downloaded the sources for grub2, configured and compiled it, but the resulting 10_linux file differs from my /etc/grub.d/10_linux file.
13:44<mekaj>any suggestions?
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13:47<babilen>dpkg: tell mekaj -about confmiss
13:48<babilen>mekaj: And /etc/grub.d/20_linux_xen is in the grub-common package
13:48<babilen>dpkg: tell mekaj -about apt-file
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13:49<mekaj>excellent, thanks for the tips, babilen
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13:53<mekaj>babilen: worked like a charm. thanks again.
13:53<dimitry7>hi guys. I have been trying to redirect SMTP outgoing mail through port 587 since I have been listed in spamhouss PBL list
13:53<dimitry7>I have tried adding submission inet n - - - - smtpd
13:53<dimitry7> and all that Google suggest but I get this error: fatal: /etc/postfix/, line 51: missing '=' after attribute name: "submission inet n....
13:54<dimitry7>I use Debian 6 and postfix 2.7.1
13:55<dimitry7>nmap shows smtp as binded to port 25
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13:56<DrZaius>is it possible to subscribe to a bug with a pseudo header in a response mail to the bug?
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13:57<ITAL0>helo all
13:57<DrZaius>dimitry7: try in irc://
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13:58<DrZaius>actually, i have another question... how to subscribe by default at the bugs you report?
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14:04<mtn>ITAL0: hi. do you have a debian support question?
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14:06<ITAL0>yes, my question is this : I have a vps with debian 7.2 , I installed exim4 , and it go ever in out-mail, but to receve mail from some domain it has some problem.
14:07<ITAL0>so I ask : if the MX record on dns don't exist, the remote smtp server point to the ip adress ever or no ?
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14:07<ITAL0>Must I register a domain with a MX dns record ?
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14:09<babilen>ITAL0: That would be the case, yes.
14:09<babilen>(if you want to handle mail for that domain yourself)
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14:09*ITAL0 babilen yes I want receve the mail
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14:10<valdyn>ITAL0: having a useful domain for sending mail needs alot more than just an mx record
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14:11<valdyn>ITAL0: recieving is easy though
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14:27*ITAL0 valdyn what do u mean ?
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14:28<pc_hater>Hey guys. Just wondering.... REcently come to Debian and done a dist-upgrade from Wheezy to Sid/Jessie however, just trying to install the amd proprietry drivers but no matter what I do I can't add the ia32-libs package (yes, I've enabled --dpkg --add-architecture i386 and the sources list has the flags in... Any ideas?
14:29<valdyn>pc_hater: that package is gone
14:29<pc_hater>Blergh. So what do I do to get my dual-head set up properly with Catalyst drivers?
14:29<pc_hater>(Also handy for Skype too.)
14:30<valdyn>pc_hater: why yould you need i32-libs for catalyst drivers?
14:30<pc_hater>Apparently it depends on it.
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14:30<valdyn>pc_hater: skype depends on the proper packages, not on ia32-libs
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14:30<pc_hater>valdyn: Ahhh. So there's an actual skype package for 64 bit?
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14:31<valdyn>pc_hater: no
14:31<pc_hater>Anyway, regardless of that.. I just want my gfx sorted Lol!
14:31<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
14:32<valdyn>pc_hater: ^^
14:32<pc_hater>Already done that valdyn.
14:32<pc_hater>Read that page. Nothing comes of it. :/
14:32<valdyn>pc_hater: fglrx is packaged in debian. If you want to use the package from amd you're on your own
14:32<valdyn>pc_hater: you wouldnt ask about ia32-libs if you had read this
14:33<pc_hater>valdyn: Ah ok, I'm just used to using amd, fglrx used to crap me up many years ago.
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14:33<valdyn>pc_hater: its the same driver
14:33<valdyn>pc_hater: its not the same installer
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14:34<babilen>pc_hater: Just follow the instructions on (they, more or less, apply to sid, but then you'd know how to deal with the differences hopefully)
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14:36<pc_hater>valdyn: I'll just give you some more info on my system: 2.5 GHz Quad - Radeon HD3870 - XFCE (However changing that to i3wm soon.)
14:36<pc_hater>valdyn: I'll check those out, and I'd hope so... haha, been using linux for years and now have a job where I use it every day. :)
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14:45<alrai>uhullllllll GUYS =) now i`m using i3 windows manager under terminator under xinit =)
14:46<pc_hater>alrai: Niiicee. I use i3 at work. Effing sexy :)
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14:47<alrai>now i need learn use weechat
14:47<alrai>=) or have another good irc client?
14:47<pc_hater>alrai: try Irssi ;)
14:48<alrai>i have tried too =)
14:48<alrai>but anyone have scrool bar =/
14:49<pc_hater>alrai: I believe you enable it through an irssi conf :P. However, you could just write a shell script to log the chats :)
14:50<LtL>alrai: just use page up / page down
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14:50<alrai>and the list of contacts?
14:50<pc_hater>alrai: they're at the top :)
14:50<alrai>oww i see =)
14:51<LtL>irssi logs with /set autolog on ; /save
14:52<pc_hater>valdyn: Still having no luck. Hmm. My monitors support 1440x900 both screens. Yet, fglrx-legacy doesn't want to install somehow. Freakin' weird.
14:52<pc_hater>valdyn: arandr doesn't display a list of modes neither. :/ hmm.
14:52<babilen>alrai, pc_hater: I'm happy that you sorted it out, but you might want to continue this in #debian-offtopic
14:53<babilen>(the chat part, not the support question part)
14:53<pc_hater>babilen: I just mainly come here for the support to be honest. I haven't sorted out my little problem yet.
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14:54*pc_hater Gonna reboot. Back soon if this doesn't get sorted.
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15:03<Rosie21> Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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15:04<MY123>!ops Rosie21 advertising of bad vids
15:04<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: my123 complains about: Rosie21 advertising of bad vids
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15:19<Batasas>Hello, is someone running debian on macbook pro?
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15:23<MY123>Am I connected ?
15:23<mtn>MY123: looks like it
15:24<MY123>Thanks, mtn, had a disconnection.
15:24<mtn>MY123: you wouldn't see anything on the screen in irc if you were not online ;)
15:25<MY123>mtn: With a ZNC bouncer , it kept as there is nothing happening. I wrote messages which were never delivered
15:26<MY123>(The bouncer is also on my local network)
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15:35<oldlaptop>Batasas: someone, somewhere in the world, is running Debian on a macbook pro
15:36<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:41<pc_hater>valdyn: Still no joy. Will paste my log.
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15:47<pc_hater>valdyn: I think i've cracked it :) installing the dev deps.
15:48<acu>OK, so what is the way to add Romanian locale to Jessie
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15:52<pc_hater>Gonna go reinstall the damn system ^_^
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15:53<babilen>acu: The trick is to answer and to not cross-post
15:54*babilen suggested to generate the Romanian locales in other channels
15:55<oldlaptop>acu: especially don't cross post to incorrect channels; testing is offtopic here
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15:57<acu>yes, I thought I am in debian-next here - sorry
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16:00<alrai>babilen: here we go here you can see the problem when i`m trying to install the newest linux kernel
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16:03<MY123>dpkg: tell alrai -about
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16:03<MY123>alrai: Understood
16:03<alrai>yes i will use the debian
16:03<alrai>just one
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16:05<alrai>ok here we go
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16:07<MY123>alrai: try an apt-get upgrade
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16:08<babilen>dpkg: tell alrai -about bdo kernel
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16:09<babilen>alrai: You will have to run "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install $FOO" if you want to install packages from there. I believe I asked the bot before to send you that <bdo kernel> factoid. You should just follow it.
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16:12<blast>Hi gues
16:12<blast>does anybody here
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16:12<alrai>babilen: i followed that dpkg told to me i tried use the aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,' too but does not worked too
16:12<Guest1714>oh my
16:12<Guest1714>first meet with IRC
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16:13<Guest1714>now learn VIM Python(Django)
16:13<TJ>gl hf
16:13<Guest1714>why i now guest123123
16:13<babilen>Guest1714: Do you have a Debian question?
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16:14<Guest1714>sorry = (
16:14<Guest1714>how leave chanel ?
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16:14<babilen>alrai: Mind pasting the output?
16:14<Guest1714>I use elementary os
16:14<babilen>dpkg: elementary
16:14<dpkg>elementary OS is a Linux distribution based on <Ubuntu>. It is not supported in #debian; ask me about <based on debian>. #elementary on
16:14<alrai>the output is nothin
16:14<babilen>dpkg: tell Guest1714 -about irc tutorial
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16:14<devil>alrai: that is unlikely
16:15<Guest1714>sorry 4 bad english i`m from Ukraine
16:15<Guest1714>bed = )
16:15<alrai>when i put it i get next line >
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16:15<babilen>alrai: Okay, could you paste the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64", "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64" to please?
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16:16<babilen>alrai: yes, you are missing the last ` in that command, but don't worry .. as we know which architecture you use you don't need that command at the end.
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16:17<alrai>woww =)
16:18<alrai>babilen: now is worked whe i just put aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-amd64 =)
16:18<babilen>Well, you simply failed to copy the command earlier :)
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16:19<babilen>It is, admittedly, not the most intuitive of commands and meant to be copied and pasted.
16:20<alrai>i learned hard =)
16:20<alrai>tht ' is options
16:20<alrai>let see if will work =)
16:20<alrai>tks a lot
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16:25<alrai>guys i get go
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16:25<alrai>tks a lot
16:25<alrai>=) have a nice weekend
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16:46<nmschulte>Has anyone played with the LEAP Motion device in Debian/Linux?
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17:22<ITAL0>venet0:0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00
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17:23<ITAL0>what interface in this?
17:23<ITAL0>it's a ppp
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18:19<ctag>git-daemon fails on start for my debian wheezy install. I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this as I can't find any useful output. It's not like journalctl, all I see is that it failed.
18:20<ctag>Can any of you point me in the right direction to troubleshooting a sysv service like this?
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18:26<Brigo>ctag, cat /var/log/syslog
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18:34<ctag>Brigo: Thank you for the suggestion. However my /var/log/syslog has only (a lot of) output from ddclient and cron, nothing else :-\
18:34<ctag>I stopped and restarted the git-daemon service, checked the end of syslog, and there was no output.
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18:35<Brigo>ctag, may be git-damen has it own log file in /var/log?
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18:36<ctag>I'll look for it again, but haven't found anything like that yet.
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18:38<Brigo>ctag, if you find nothin then git-daemon is not loggin nothing. Try to enable debug or so.
18:40<Brigo>check /etc/default/git-daemon
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18:49<ctag>Brigo: Thanks :) I was able to get the daemon to redirect output to syslog, and the error returned is that it fails to bind to
18:49<Brigo>ctag, good for you :)
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18:51<Brigo>ctag, if you want you have systemd in backports, but is not advised to use it.
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18:59<ctag>That was odd
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19:00<TJ>some script joining and leaving under some stock list of names and posting king under each I assume
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19:00<ctag>Brigo: Thanks for the help, I found multiple instances of the daemon running, I'm going to restart and see if that fixes the issue.
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19:00<TJ>did the bot stop it?
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19:01<TJ>saw someone say 'look at this spam' and it looked like the bot did something
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19:01<ctag>yeah, I saw that
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19:01<ctag>No idea what just happened though
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19:02<Brigo>ctag, np :)
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19:02<sney>no, the bot highlighted some ops and one of them set +R on the channel
19:03-!-mode/#debian [+R] by mikegrb
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19:03<TJ>Thanks mikegrb
19:04<TJ>does anyone have a good alternative for notepad++ in gnome?
19:04<SirRafiki>gedit *
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19:04<TJ>i suppose it's not gnome specific
19:04<TJ>i know about gedit, but it doesn't seem to be as powerful. I could be missing something though
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19:05<rryoumaa>not familiar with that program. what features do you need?
19:05<TJ>often use a lot of notepad++'s analytical and batch revision tools
19:05<SirRafiki>try Geany
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19:06<TJ>Thanks SirRafiki. That looks like it may be my solution.
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19:44<Champie>hey sney, Marillion et al :)
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20:55<[Steven_M]>Hi all, does any branch of Debian support ZFS-on-root?
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21:48<Gogeta70>hey fellas
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21:48<Gogeta70>so hopefully someone can give me some insight into this problem
21:49<Gogeta70>i just did an apt-get update; apt-get upgrade
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21:49<Gogeta70>and in the middle of the upgrade, i got this:
21:49<Gogeta70>/dev/sdb: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 0: Input/output error
21:49<Gogeta70> /dev/sdb: read failed after 0 of 4096 at 320072843264: Input/output error
21:49<Gogeta70>about 20 of them
21:50<Gogeta70>i tried googling the issue, but couldn't find anything directly relevant
21:50<Gogeta70>anybody know what's going on? this is a pretty new hard drive
21:50<LtL>Gogeta70: possible hdd failure
21:51<Gogeta70>i certainly hope not... this hard drive is less than a year old
21:51<TJ>could it be some sort of permissions mixup? check your disk for hardware problems even if it's new
21:51<Gogeta70>TJ, what is the command to do a smart check again? :/
21:52<TJ>Coming from windows, I would always run a long format of a new hard drive so that any errors were logged and bad sectors avoided. Don't remember the utility but it would spit back if the drive was bad too.
21:53<TJ>Gogeta70: Sorry not sure.
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21:54<Gogeta70>funny thing is, is the disk that's in it now was replaced because of a hard drive failure
21:54<LtL>smartctl -a /dev/sdx iirc
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21:57<Gogeta70>a sata disk is an ata device, right?
21:57<Gogeta70>smartctl is giving me errors
21:59<sney>signs point to hdd failure
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21:59<sney>at least it's new so you can RMA it
22:00<Gogeta70>Short INQUIRY response, skip product id
22:00<Gogeta70>A mandatory SMART command failed: exiting.
22:00<Gogeta70>it's about 8-10 months old
22:00<TJ>should still be in warranty
22:01<TJ>at least if you bought quality
22:01<TJ>if not, now you know to buy quality
22:01<Gogeta70>it's a western digital drive
22:01<sney>disk warranties are usually 2-3 years
22:01<TJ>yeah. you're good.
22:01<TJ>RMA it
22:01<sney>all the brands are fine now, it's not 1998 anymore, just sometimes you get a bum disk.
22:02<TJ>noahfx, there are a LOT of no name brands out there still
22:02<Gogeta70>well crap
22:02<Gogeta70>is this computer cursed? O_O
22:02<Gogeta70>2nd hdd failure in a year
22:02<TJ>some people get adventurous and get them when they are hard on funds and see something cheap
22:03<Gogeta70>lol yeah, i only buy seagate or western digital
22:03<sney>a janky PSU could cause premature component failures, but it's more likely that you just rolled the dice and got some 1s
22:04<Gogeta70>bad luck, eh?
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22:04<Gogeta70>i may boot into bios and do a smart check from there
22:04<Gogeta70>that might tell me more
22:04<Gogeta70>it just seems very odd that the computer is running...
22:04<sney>offline diags are often safer anyway
22:05<Gogeta70>i mean, it's an encrypted LVM, how can it not access the system drive?
22:05<sney>well your running processes are loaded into ram right now.
22:05<sney>and often when disks die, you can still have working i/o on some sectors
22:06<Gogeta70>yeah, if the head crashes or something
22:06<Gogeta70>just scratches the surface, so to speak
22:08<Gogeta70>what the...
22:08<Gogeta70>i thought i'd check for bad sectors...
22:08<Gogeta70>fsck.ext2: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while trying to open /dev/sdb
22:08<Gogeta70>Could this be a zero-length partition?
22:08<Gogeta70>alright, i'm gonna do a smart check from bios...
22:10<Gogeta70>now that i think about it, i had a power outage a few days ago
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22:13<hlozada>hello, anyone can tell me which channel is to support localc?
22:16<Gogeta70>of course... i get the one damn bios on earth that doesn't have the option to do a smart check on a hard drive >_<
22:19<Gogeta70>mmk... i got this message while it was (i assume) attempting to access the disk during boot (before asking for the password to unlock the LVM):
22:20<Gogeta70>ata3: SRST failed (errno=-16)
22:20<Gogeta70>but the machine booted up just fine
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22:22<rudi_s>Gogeta70: smartmontools?
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22:25<Gogeta70>ok, i'm able to do a smart check now
22:26<Gogeta70>before i rebooted, if i did lvdisplay, it gave me those same errors that i got when doing the update
22:26<Gogeta70>now, i'm not getting it at all
22:27<Gogeta70>smart test results:
22:27<Gogeta70># 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 17720
22:27<Gogeta70>i... i just realized something
22:28<Gogeta70>i also have an external usb hard drive plugged into this computer
22:28<Gogeta70>it's sitting behind, so i didn't see it
22:28<Gogeta70>and it is not mounted
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22:34<Gogeta70>well, both drives pass all tests and now i'm getting no errors O_o
22:34<Gogeta70>i know this "ain't no windows system" and all, but... and i hate to say it... but perhaps rebooting fixed the problem? *gasp*
22:37<Gogeta70>i'm just thinking maybe something got mixed up in the kernel in regards to disk I/O
22:37<Gogeta70>well anyway, thanks for bearing with me during my freak-out
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22:38<Gogeta70>i think i'm gonna keep a close eye on the disk for a while before deciding on swapping it out
22:38<sney>yeah. sometimes a reset will make things less bad temporarily
22:39<Gogeta70>my last hdd failure was a lot more... obvious than this one
22:39<Gogeta70>fsck and smart checks both failed the last time
22:39<Gogeta70>this time they're both passing with flying colors... so i'll see
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