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04:07<uso>as far as I understand it the + sign at the end of the file permissions signals the existence of extended attributes (acls), but getfacl doesn't show anything, any idea what I'm missing or what's wrong there? http://paste.debian.net/117188/
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04:11<peter1138>uso, the mask attribute is extended, isn't it?
04:15<uso>peter1138: oh, I somehow ignored that line, do not even know what that means ... have to look it up
04:17<uso>hmm, so that directory entry seems to be fine, now why NFS gets hiccups about it ...
04:19<uso>the NFS server should be able to handle extended attributes without userspace tools (getfacl, setfacl) installed, right?
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04:38<spippi>ciao world
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04:51<uso>anybody here with an NFS installation who wants to try to reproduce the problem? on NFS server: mkdir test && setfacl -m m::rx test, on NFS client: cp -a test test1
04:51<uso>triggers a kernel bug on 3.2 for me: BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 00000008, IP: [<f8e9cc2b>] set_nfsv4_acl_one+0xf/0x6c [nfsd]
04:53<uso>the NFS client is jessie in my case, don't know if that matters
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05:33<sven>uso: similar to https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=754420 ?
05:33<sven>or https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1348670
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05:55<uso>sven: the ubuntu bug hits it quite well, "high NFS load" on the debian bug somewhat misses the correct reason
05:57<uso>but as far as I know NFS doesn't support ACLs anyway, a simple remount of the exported filesystem with noacl fixes the problem, so I disagree about the high severity
05:58<valdyn>are you using nfs4?
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06:00<uso>valdyn: yes, so nfsv4 supports ACL?
06:00<valdyn>uso: yes
06:01<valdyn>http://wiki.linux-nfs.org/wiki/index.php/ACLs
06:01<uso>ah ok, so for someone who actually uses ACLs the severity may be justified :)
06:02<uso>maybe the client told me "not supported" because of that bug
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06:06<Scratso>Hi, I need help with steam in debian.
06:09<Scratso>http://pastebin.com/Gz1hvuNE it says this when I try run from terminal
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06:34<Walex>Scratso: you have installed it wrong...
06:34<Walex>Scratso: link to follow.
06:35<Walex>Scratso: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140317 read very carefully
06:36<Walex>Scratso: regrettably to get full acceleration you need a "FrankenDebian" situation with bits taken from SteamOS.
06:36<Walex>Scratso: the specific problem in your paste is that Steam is a 32b application and you have a 64b system, but that's the least of the worries
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09:39<peter1138>Hmm, can I tell grub to use a different boot option for the next boot only?
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09:46<Walex>peter1138: either the current boot or all boots
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09:49<peter1138>Er...
09:50<peter1138>I don't have console access, so...
09:53<peter1138>Meh, I guess I can just reinstall it if fails to boot.
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09:54<peter1138>Yeah, next boot. grub-reboot seems to be the thing
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09:58<peter1138>Hmm, except it doesn't work :S
10:00<spippi>ciao
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12:18<DrZaius>hows the gnome video binary called?
12:19<DrZaius>i cant find it... since now it seems to have been renamed to video u.u
12:19<DrZaius>(we are going backwards it seems)
12:23<DrZaius>oh right, totem... i couldnt remember the name :/
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12:31<musca>yes, google gives 19.700.000 results for "gnome videos" and the top ten only contain videos of creepy dwarfs
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12:53<sunn>yeah it's nice to have a program with a simple direct name but it feels so powerless trying to search something with an un-googleable name
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13:14<petn-randall>sunn: Ever tried to find tips for "screen"? :)
13:14<oldlaptop>aaaaaagh
13:15<oldlaptop>that alone is enough reason to use tmux!
13:15<sunn>hahah
13:15*petn-randall is stuck with screen.
13:15<petn-randall>Ever tried googling "screen alternatives"? ;)
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13:41<mycae>Hi, I'm running testing with XFCE, and on one system USB keys automount as read only. Is this a polkit thing?
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13:52<petn-randall>Hi mycae, ask in #debian-next, where jessie/sid are supported.
13:52<mycae>k, thanks
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14:42<Astra> /nam
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15:29<SyJi>Greetings.
15:30<SyJi>Is this the right place to ask about installing, say, gnome disk utility, and getting it to work?
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15:36<SyJi>Hmm. I suppose not, then.
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15:47<SyJi>Okay, so i used Synaptic to install Disks (gnome-disk-utility) and now i don't know how to access it. I'm a Linux newbie and i am currently running the latest version of #! (crunchbang)
15:49<Brigo>!crunchbang
15:49<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
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15:56<SyJi>Well, Synaptic still works the same so the answer to my question is probably independant of my specific distro. Thanks anyway?
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17:01<Scratso><Walex> Scratso: you have installed it wrong...
17:01<Scratso><Walex> Scratso: link to follow.
17:01<Scratso><Walex> Scratso: http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/14-one.html#140317 read very carefully
17:01<Scratso><Walex> Scratso: regrettably to get full acceleration you need a "FrankenDebian" situation with bits taken from SteamOS.
17:01<Scratso><Walex> Scratso: the specific problem in your paste is that Steam is a 32b application and you have a 64b system, but that's the least of the worries; I don't understand what it says to do. :/
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18:21<gfedel>hello, someone there who uses wheezy 7.6 get installing the hplip last version?
18:22<gfedel>i'm trying a lot but a couldn't , and a need it to use my scan (at least hplip 3.13.8)
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18:31<Grigorio>clear
18:33<Maulkin>gfedel: you'll possibly need a backport
18:34<gfedel>Maulkin, a repository backport?
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18:38<WangDang>I'm following the release notes for squeeze to upgrade a lenny system. Did the minimal upgrade which went well. Doc says then to update kernel first, then udev before dist-upgrade. I get the message "linux-image-2.6-amd64 is already the newest version, but uname shows I'm still running 2.6.26. The latest squeeze kernel is 2.6.32, which shows up in aptitude as available but held due to dependencies. Release notes suggest that one should
18:40<sney>WangDang: 'aptitude -t squeeze install linux-image-2.6-amd64' returns what output?
18:43<Maulkin>!tell gfedel about ssb
18:43<Maulkin>gfedel: See what dpkg told you.
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18:48<gfedel>Maulkin, i saw, but doesn't exist hplip on backport. the version i need exist's only on testing and unstable, and the hplip official installer didn't work
18:48<Maulkin>gfedel: Yeah, you will probably need to build it yourself.
18:48<Maulkin>(Or find someone with a stable install to be nice and do it for you)
18:51<gfedel>Maulkin, oh, right, i misunderstood (on dpkg, i read available, and it's unavailable)
18:51<gfedel>Maulkin, i'll try do it! thank you
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18:58<Maulkin>gfedel: no problems
19:06<WangDang>sney: ignoring dependency tree, package and extended state messages, it says no pkgs will be upgraded installed or removed
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19:09<WangDang>sney: there are also 41 not upgraded
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20:10<sney>WangDang: I remember one alternate place to get 2.6.32 for a lenny->squeeze upgrade was lenny-backports.
20:11<sney>(since it should install neatly on lenny with no fuss)
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20:21<WangDang>sney: I can get 2.6.32 with the lts repo, but it is being held back
20:23<sney>held back because of some slightly unusual configuration your lenny system has, which won't be solved except by skipping ahead a step, which you don't want to do because it will give you issues
20:23<sney>so the workaround is to get a lenny-built 2.6.32 and boot into that and then carry on
20:24<sney>specifically, http://archive.debian.org/debian-backports/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.32-bpo.5-amd64_2.6.32-35~bpo50+1_amd64.deb
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20:30<WangDang>lts warns against using backports... lts pages says to have squeeze squeeze-lts and squeeze/updates in sources.list. Any suggestions about how to handle that contradiction?
20:31<WangDang>the kernel is held back because of linux-base which is held back because of libuuid-perl
20:32<WangDang>which is unavailable
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20:45<sney>WangDang: a) download that particular deb that I just linked b) install it c) reboot d) follow the rest of the lenny->squeeze process, which will allow the actual squeeze kernel to be installed too
20:46<sney>and then remove the backports kernel later.
20:47<sney>using backports liberally is not always a great idea, but using one kernel from backports is completely harmless especially since it's a temporary workaroudn
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20:49<WangDang>Doh! ok, i'll just download the one package instead of adding b-p to my sources. Thanks, sney
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21:53<WangDang>installing the backports kernel fails because linux-base is too old. Downloaded linux-base from backports. Install fails because libuuid-perl is not installed. Downloaded that but that deb refused to install saying it "contains ununderstood data member data.tar.xz, giving up"
21:53<WangDang>tried two different debs for the uuid-perl lib, same error on both
21:54<themill>You'd get libuuid-perl from squeeze
21:55<WangDang>yep
21:55<themill>libuuid-perl in squeeze is not xz compressed
21:56<WangDang>got it from debian.mirror.rafal.ca/debian/pool/main/libu/libuuid-perl/
21:57<themill>Downloading random .debs is not the same as getting the correct package from squeeze
21:59<WangDang>well, my intention wasn't random. What did I do wrong? that's a squeeze repo
22:00<themill>no, that's all debian releases that are on the mirror network
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22:02<themill>,v libuuid-perl squeeze
22:02<judd>Package: libuuid-perl on i386 -- squeeze: 0.02-4
22:06<WangDang>OK, I admit to being a little bit confused about the repositories since I embarked on this project. I've been in lenny archives, squeeze, squeeze-lts, and backports
22:07<WangDang>judd: thanks, I see I was in the right place, I just downloaded the wrong version. Thanks
22:07<judd>no worries
22:07<WangDang>themill: thanks for straightning me out onthe repos
22:08<themill>WangDang: Many packages are in more than one release so rather than having multiple copies of them, we just have one in the "pool" structure you've been looking at.
22:08<WangDang>I don't understand your ",v libuuid-perl squeeze" comment though
22:08<themill>WangDang: I was talking to judd
22:08*judd waves
22:08<themill>,bot
22:08<judd>No, I'm not a bot, I'm a frontend to a database.
22:11<WangDang>ya, I understand the pool structure. I just thought that the server I was using was special just for sqz-lts. Hadn't noticed that there were other releases on it too. Thanks
22:11<WangDang>A bot can recognize a thank you?
22:11<themill>I doubt squeeze-lts is in there, but squeeze is
22:11<themill>it's a very clever bot
22:12<WangDang>I'd say rather it's a bot made be very clever people:)
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22:18<WangDang>made by
22:22<WangDang>so what's the difference between asking dpkg to tell someone something and asking judd to do it?
22:24<themill>WangDang: judd's just a database of packages. dpkg knows about specific bits of information like "squeeze-lts"
22:25<WangDang>I've often had people have dpkg tell me things. Is there some whay to ask dpkg to list for me all the topics it knows about so I can look myself, first?
22:26<themill>!bot search
22:26<dpkg>You can search my database on the web at http://ircbots.debian.net/ or on IRC by asking me about <help listkeys> and <help-listvals>. My factoids are available at http://crito.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are there. See also <search>.
22:26<WangDang>cool! thanks!
22:31<WangDang>arg! dwnloaded the proper version of libuuid-perl, but it won't install because perl-base and libuuid1 are too old, presumably because they're still at lenny version because I haven't yet done the dist-upgrade. I'm getting the feeling I can't get out of the cycle. Any further suggestions?
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22:38<sney>nothing in lenny-backports should have a dependency on anything in squeeze. (it would defeat the purpose of backports if they did.)
22:38<sney>so either you grabbed linux-base from squeeze instead of lenny-backports, or ..?
22:38<sney>equivs might also come in handy
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22:48<WangDang>downloaded libuuid-perl for lenny, and was able to install linux-base, then the 2.6.32 kernel. Now I have to see what fun and games upgrading udev is going create for me
22:48<dyfrgi>I'm having an odd issue when creating a RAID5 array with mdadm. I do "sudo mdadm --create /dev/md3 --verbose --level=5 --raid-devices=4 /dev/sdi1 /dev/sdj1 /dev/sdk1 /dev/sdl1" and I get an array with the first 3 devices active and the 4th one as a spare. It also shows a "removed" device in mdadm --detail /dev/md3
22:48<dyfrgi>It doesn't seem to start a sync process either.
22:49<dyfrgi>/dev/mdstat and mdadm --monitor don't seem to indicate that it's syncing the disks.
22:50<dyfrgi>If I change the order of the devices on the commandline, it's always the last one which is made spare.
22:52<dyfrgi>Hm, if I do --assume-clean it does create it with it not a spare, so it seems that the problem is just the initial resync not kicking off.
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22:56<dyfrgi>Could someone have set the system to only do resyncs via some other means?
22:59<dyfrgi>Aha! echo repair > /sys/block/md3/md/sync_action did it
22:59<dyfrgi>still not sure why it didn't do so automatically, but at least now it's rebuilding the array.
23:07<WangDang>what's the diff between backports and backports-sloppy?
23:10<WangDang>Ah! with my newfound dpkg bot resource, I've got the elements of an answer to that
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23:31<centrx>!bot
23:31<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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