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02:24<martingale>my eth0 interface has somehow disappeared, can someone help me?
02:25<CQ>anyone here know what the SMART-output means? I'm looking at the gsmartcontrol output / smartctl output, and don't understand what normal / worst / threshold / raw (sometimes a high value) mean, or whad pre-failure / old age (is that to tell you what failure mode the value is adressing?) column means. I'm reading so I have an...
02:25<CQ>...idea of what the values are...
02:25<CQ>martingale: try ifconfig -a ... is it there?
02:26<martingale>CQ, no, only lo is there
02:26<CQ>then look in your sttartup logs to see if the interface is found... seems like the hardware isn't found. otherwise it should be there
02:26<martingale>where is this startup log?
02:27<CQ>or just "grep eth0 *" in /var/log (do it as superuser as you can't read all the logs as normal user
02:27<CQ>should be /var/log/messages syslog or dmesg
02:29<martingale>well i get a ton of output
02:29<martingale>what should i be looking for
02:30<CQ>look at dmesg with "less dmesg" and go to the last bootup and see what it says about eth0 there ...
02:30<CQ>[ 1.153408] r8169 0000:03:00.0: eth0: RTL8168c/8111c at 0xf8214000, 00:21:85:9b:77:d1, XID 1c4000c0 IRQ 43
02:30<CQ>that's how mine starts, shows it found the hardware
02:30<martingale>the last thing i did before it disappeared working was cryptsetup addLuksKey /dev/md/4 /root/key
02:30<martingale>then i rebooted and eth0 was gone
02:31<martingale>dmesg | grep eth0 is empty
02:32<CQ>is eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces?
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02:32<martingale>allow-hotplug eth0
02:33<martingale>iface eth0 inet dhcp
02:33<CQ>if it isn't in dmesg then the hardware isn't found as far as I know... sorry, don't know what else to say.
02:33<martingale>lspci lists ethernet controller
02:34<martingale>so it knows about it
02:34<martingale>also /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules lists it
02:36<CQ>have a look at
02:37<CQ>allow-hotplug eth0
02:37<CQ>try adding the to /etc/network/interfaces
02:37<CQ> /etc/init.d/networking restart #then this
02:38<martingale>allow-hotplug eth0 was already in my network interfaces
02:41<martingale>lspci -vv indicates that the ethernet controller is no associated kernel driver in use
02:43<CQ>wht do the first two lines of lspci -vv say?
02:43<CQ>what is the device?
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02:43<CQ>I'd google for that and then see what driver to load (using modprobe)
02:43<CQ>when the driver si loaded eth0 should show up
02:46<martingale>its ethernet controller intel corporation ethernet connection (2) i218-V asusTeK computer Inc Device 85c4
02:46<martingale>googling now
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02:49<martingale>ok i found the name of the driver is e1000e
02:49<martingale>how do i enable it with modprobe?
02:51<CQ>that you can google very easily :=)
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02:52<martingale>module e100e not found
02:53<CQ>insmod /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000/e1000.ko and insmod /lib/modules/3.2.0-4-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/e1000e/e1000e.ko
02:54<CQ>seem to be installed here, did you really write e100e or e1000e ? try modprobe -nv e1000e (that doesn't isntall the driver, just shows what it would do)
02:57<martingale>oh you are right i wrote e100e instead of e1000e
02:57<martingale>ok i tried modprobe e1000e
02:57<martingale>no output (good i guess)?
02:58<martingale>now what?
02:58<CQ>no output with modprobe -nv e1000e ?
02:58<martingale>nope no output
02:58<CQ>?!? it shoudl either list the module or give you a fatal error that it wasn't found...
02:58<CQ>then try modprobe e1000e
02:59<CQ>after that /etc/networking/restart
02:59<CQ>then ifconfig -a again
02:59<CQ>then I don't know what else to try
03:00<martingale>the directory /etc/networking doesnt exist
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03:01<CQ>err, /etc/init.d/networking restart
03:02<martingale>restart ok, still no eth0
03:02<CQ>then teh modprobe didn't work.
03:03<CQ>go to /lib/modules/[whatever_your_kernel_is]/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/intel/ and see whats in there...
03:04<martingale>there are three directories under /lib/modules
03:04<martingale>how do i figure out which kernel im running?
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03:05<CQ>uname -a
03:05<martingale>ok 3.14-2-amd64
03:06<martingale>e1000 e1000e e100.ko i40e i40evf igbvf ixgb ixgbe ixgbevf
03:07<CQ>?? and "sudo modprobe -nv e1000e" doesn't return anything??
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03:08<martingale>does that mean the module is already loaded?
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03:09<martingale>lsmod | grep e100e lists 2 outputs
03:09<martingale>lsmod | grep e1000e lists 2 outputs
03:09<martingale>e1000e 227905 9
03:09<martingale>ptp 17460 1 e1000e
03:11<martingale>i know what i was doing when i screwed things up
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03:11<martingale>it was a little fishy
03:11<martingale>so i think it has to be the source of the problem
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03:12<martingale>i tried cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sda1 /root/key
03:12<martingale>and the drive is sda1
03:12<martingale>i checked
03:12<martingale>but it told me sda1 didnt exist
03:12<martingale>so for some reason i tried sdc1
03:13<martingale>the command went through and i powered off
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03:13<martingale>on reboot eth0 was gone
03:13<martingale>oh wait
03:13<martingale>i meant /dev/md/4
03:15<martingale>i don't know what cryptsetup has to do with eth0
03:15<martingale>but that was the last thing i did before everything broke
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03:19<martingale>:( i don't know what to do but i need to go to bed
03:19<martingale>i'll try again tomorrow
03:22<CQ>Igood luck
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03:24<martingale>i guess its a good think i do nightly backups
03:24<martingale>never had to restore one before now though
03:24<martingale>i guess i'll figure that out tomorrow
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04:55<lsbit>Does anybody know how can I get rid of brightness control bug? I have two buttons to adjust screen brightness on laptop, but they doesn't behave properly. I've changed parameters in /etc/default/grub (GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT)cause cause I found on askubuntu that it will solve the problem but it didn't completely.
04:55<lsbit>I would be happy if someone can point me in right direction, and it would be good if there is any page with explanation what exactly I'm changing
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04:59<petn-randall>lsbit: Can you explain what brightness bug you exactly mean? I can't find any description in the back log.
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05:00<lsbit>well pressing buttons it doesn't affect brightness
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05:00<lsbit>the slider is changing
05:01<lsbit>when I press it
05:01<lsbit>but brightness stay same it is changed somewhere on half of slider
05:02<petn-randall>lsbit: I see. So there's visual feedback, but the screen brightness doesn't change? What laptop is this?
05:02<lsbit>but that is somehow random
05:02<lsbit>lenovo thinkpad e540
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05:05<lsbit>you understan corectlly
05:05<petn-randall>lsbit: Try installing a newer kernel from backports, I had the same problem with my x230, and I think that resolved the issue for me.
05:06<lsbit>I've done it already
05:06<lsbit>cause I'd problem with wifi also and installing new kernel resolve it
05:07<lsbit>but brightness problem stayed
05:08<lsbit>also sound doesn't work at all maybe you know solution for that?
05:08<petn-randall>lsbit: So with the grub parameter, does the brightness setting work now?
05:08<petn-randall>lsbit: Let's fix one problem at a time :)
05:09<lsbit>well it had worked but then I returned how it was cause it didn't solved completly
05:09<lsbit>there was 5 levels of brightness then I think
05:09<lsbit>or 5
05:09<lsbit>or 4*
05:09<lsbit>but it would be better to have more
05:10<lsbit>firstly I had ubuntu instaled it has the same issue
05:10<lsbit>but there worked xbacklight
05:10<CQ>if youhave a hard drive making noises, but SMART says its OK, do you still use it a secondary backup drive or not? :)
05:10<CQ>as a ...
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05:11<lsbit>which had better sensitivity
05:12<lsbit>but I could use it only from console but I suppose that I could replace screen brightness shortcuts
05:12<petn-randall>lsbit: Are you running Debian Wheezy?
05:12<lsbit>but with new kernel
05:16<babilen>lsbit: Also, *what* did you add to your kernel command line and why did you add it twice?
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05:17<lsbit>cause It was written on some askubuntu page and it was all I have found
05:17<lsbit>they didnt provide any explanation
05:17<babilen>Well, don't listen to adive given on askubuntu. What did you add exactly? Could you paste your /etc/default/grub?
05:17<babilen>(to that is)
05:18<lsbit>GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor"#GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=linux"
05:18<lsbit>they have '#' cause I commented it later
05:19<lsbit>I'll provide whole file via if it is needed
05:21<babilen>lsbit: Okay, .. I have "acpi_osi=Linux" there, but that was more or less what I was about to suggest. Do you have the thinkpad_acpi module loaded?
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05:22<lsbit>I chec it with lsmod | grep thinkpad_ascpi ?
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05:23<lsbit>I have it
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05:23<lsbit>(used lsmod)
05:25<lsbit>I'm coming for 5 min, I hope you dont mind
05:25<babilen>So. do you use "Linux" there now and did you reboot?
05:26<lsbit>I will try it
05:26<babilen>Please do that after coming for five minutes.
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05:26<lsbit>ok :)
05:26<ompaul>babilen: please may I lol now ;-)
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05:29<mixtaper>greetings ppl
05:30<mixtaper>can anyone advice: Does DEBIAN ever updates own Packages?
05:31<peter1138>Well nobody else updates Debian's packages...
05:31<mixtaper>I used to install squid from apt-get. It sets up version 2.7 while there is a stable 3.4 available on squid web site!
05:33<mixtaper>Squid 2.7 was actual in 2010!
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05:34<mixtaper>Any idea as of where do I post this to make someone in Debian team to update a package?
05:34<peter1138>there are 2 squid packages in wheezy
05:34<peter1138>squid gives you 2.7, squid3 gives you 3.1
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05:35<mixtaper>peter1138, blind me, thank you!
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05:40<lsbit>I've change it
05:40<lsbit>it doesn't take any effect
05:41<lsbit>I've changed only that one line though
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05:41<lsbit>didn't done that with another one
05:42<babilen>lsbit: Well, you would actually have to uncomment those lines (and remove duplicate entries)
05:43<babilen>lsbit: But then it is not a given that that is actually the problem
05:43<babilen>(also don't forget to run update-grub2"
05:43<lsbit>I done update-grub
05:44<lsbit>not update-grub2
05:44<lsbit>these commands doesn't produce same effect?
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05:49<lsbit>I've change both lines and restarted system again
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05:51<lsbit>it works now as I first told but I'm not satisfied with brightness control sensitivity
05:51<lsbit>first level dim display entirely
05:51<lsbit>the other ones doesn't seem to be uniformly distributed
05:51<lsbit>but it is better than it was by default
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05:55<devil>lsbit: they have the same effect. update-grub is ok
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05:57<lsbit>if I understood correctly changing /etc/default/grub affect kernel behavior?
05:58<lsbit>where can I read more about it?
05:58<lsbit>sorry if that is off topic here :/
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06:08<lsbit>hey I fount out something
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06:08<devil>lsbit: ubuntu has good documentation on grub2, so does arch
06:08<lsbit>when I echo some val in /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
06:09<lsbit>it change brightness
06:09<lsbit>but I can do it only as root
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06:09<lsbit>can I tweak those parameters for keys on keyboard
06:09<lsbit>I'm using xfce
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06:10<lsbit>I suppose there exists some conf file with tells to system what is happening when those keys are pressed
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06:14<devil>sure. you want to look at xev
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06:20<lsbit>were is located
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06:38<lsbit>how can I read what is already binded to this brightness keys
06:38<lsbit>(F5 and F6)
06:46<SynrGy>you start xev, make sure the mouse pointer is within the xev window, and press the keys
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06:46<SynrGy>apt-get install x11-utils if you don't have xev
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06:49<SynrGy>another view even lower level than this is input-events
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06:50<SynrGy>(from input-utils package)
06:50<SynrGy>requires root to run. first, identify which device# is the keyboard with lsinput
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06:51<SynrGy>so, e.g. my current keyboard is /dev/input/event7
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06:51<lsbit>VisibilityNotify event, serial 55, synthetic NO, window 0x2a00001, state VisibilityUnobscured
06:51<SynrGy> name : "Logitech Unifying Device. Wirele"
06:51<lsbit>that I got with xev
06:52<SynrGy>yeah. and probably a bunch more. everything *except* the keysym
06:52<lsbit>yes ofc
06:52<SynrGy>with 'input-events 7' (for me) if i press, e.g., the volume up and down keys, i get something like:
06:52<lsbit>but I think that is for brightness keys right?
06:52<SynrGy>07:52:41.360316: EV_KEY KEY_VOLUMEDOWN (0x72) pressed
06:52<lsbit>lsinput is not recognized should I install it?
06:53<SynrGy>as i said above :)
06:53<SynrGy>07:50 < SynrGy> (from input-utils package)
06:55<lsbit>yes I see
06:55<lsbit>it tells me about "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard" and "ACPI Virtual Keyboard Device"
06:55<SynrGy>if you're seeing OSD change when you press those keys, i'm sure the key mapping is correct.
06:56<SynrGy>yeah. some of the buttons aren't mapped through the AT keyboard, but through the ACPI layer instead
06:56<SynrGy>the kernel tries to smooth over the different hardware implementations and present all key events through the input subsystem
06:57<SynrGy>from there, X ought to be able to respond to them. as for xev's view of things ... it's not entirely clear to me why it doesn't report anything useful for these keys.
06:57<lsbit>yes keymap is good but I want to change what is happening when I press those keys to be exact, I want do decrease amount for increasing or decresing brightness
06:57<SynrGy>in the case of my simulation of your situation (volume keys) i get the volume OSD changing and the volume itself changes
06:58<SynrGy>but xev shows nothing useful for identifying the key presses
06:59<SynrGy>lsbit: it changes the brightness, but by too much?
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07:00<lsbit>I've changed two lines in /etc/default/grub and from then brightness is ok
07:01<lsbit>but I need more brightness levels
07:01<lsbit>and don't know how to achive it
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07:03<babilen>lsbit: Look into xfce4-power-manager and its settings/configuration/code for that. The XFCE4 settings editor might come in handy, but I wouldn't necessarily expect that the power manager lets you define the delta by which brightness is being changed on key events.
07:04<babilen>lsbit: A XFCE4 specific channel might be in a better position to help you with this specific aspect as well *shrug*
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07:05<lsbit>ok thanks I'll try with them than :)
07:06<babilen>It will, probably, simply be some hard-coded value, but take a look.
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07:11<SynrGy>lsbit: sorry. lost my connection. last line you saw fro me?
07:12<SynrGy>lsbit: anyway, here's my view of things:
07:13<lsbit>lsbit: it changes the brightness, but by too much?
07:13<SynrGy>yeah. missed almost all of the above.
07:13<SynrGy>anything else from you i missed after "yes"?
07:14<lsbit>nothing I didn't said
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07:17<lsbit>it is possible to be something with acpi cause when I changed brighness from console and after that done a keypress
07:17<lsbit>I saw that slider was positioned differently
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07:20<babilen>It uses "brightness->priv->step = max <= 20 ? 1 : max / 10;" to calculate the step/delta in common/xfpm-brightness.c
07:20<SynrGy>lsbit: yeah. so decide which one you want to have control over the brightness: acpi or desktop, and then figure out how to disable the other one.
07:20<SynrGy>i'm pretty sure acpi is the "bad, old way" and you want to avoid it
07:20<SynrGy>if you have some thinkpad-specific acpi package installed, you might try simply removing it
07:21<lsbit>with modprobe ?
07:21<lsbit>modprobe -r
07:22<lsbit>I have thinkpad_acpi module you suggest to remove it?
07:22<SynrGy>that is essential
07:22<babilen>fwiw, it works fine here with thinkpad_acpi installed (not within XFCE though, I mean I haven't tested that)
07:23<babilen>And I guess that you would want to keep .. ah eyah
07:23<SynrGy>the acpi module is supposed to present to the input subsystem the events it needs
07:23<SynrGy>what i mean is the acpi *scripts*
07:23<SynrGy>those are the bad, old way
07:23<SynrGy>the desktop is supposed to handle those input events directly, after they've been synthesized into key events
07:24<SynrGy>the bad, old way was to have acpi events triggering scripts directly, without involvement by the input subsystem
07:24<lsbit>ok now is little bit more clear
07:24<lsbit>how can I find and remove those scripts
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07:26<SynrGy>do you have any packages installed with 'thinkpad' in the name?
07:30<lsbit>aptitude search thinkpad doesn't output anything
07:30<SynrGy>otherwise, probably acpi-support
07:30<SynrGy>you may or may not need *some* specific scripts to still run from that, but i think the package is split
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07:31<SynrGy>there is acpi-support-base providing "common" functionality (power/lid switches)
07:31<SynrGy>and acpi-support for "the rest"
07:31<SynrGy>you might try simply purging acpi-support and see if it helps
07:31<SynrGy>acpi-support is dragged in by the installer "Laptop" task, iirc
07:31<SynrGy>i gotta run. bus to work
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07:36<ila>I want to create a VPN between cisco linux debian. What do I need to use Linux pakage? now, i use ipsec-tools racoon
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07:44<peter1138>racoon works fine for me
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07:45<peter1138>in fact racoon is the only one that works for me with client certificates
07:45<peter1138>openconnect also works but is not very nice
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08:06<djpoo>hi guys i would lik for a guide to hack some wireless
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08:12<babilen>djpoo: On which kernel module would you like to work? I'd also recommend to join #kernelnewbies if you are not yet familiar with kernel development.
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08:13<alrai>guys after i had an update of my kernel to 3.14 my mouse it is a bit slow, what it could be?
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08:28<djpoo>hey guys is there easy way to hack wpa2-psk?
08:29<babilen>djpoo: You can find source code of wpa supplicant on and they probably have mailing lists and a IRC channel. What do you want to develop?
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08:30<babilen>djpoo: Besides, kernel and wireless development isn't really a Debian specific topic and you are probably looking for a different channel.
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08:38<djpoo>babilen i'm looking for hacking wireless wpa2-psk not to development
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08:39<grove>djpoo: You're still probably in the wrong channel, but you need to be more specific on what you mean by "hack" then
08:39<Deux>hello everyone, i'm trying to install new set of icons on debian and can't manage to do it (or find an answer online). can someone help me?
08:39<babilen>djpoo: Oh, that is not supported by us nor in this channel. You are also looking for "cracking" rather than "hacking". All the best!
08:40<babilen>djpoo: It should also be pointed out that you might violate network policy
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08:40<djpoo>oh ok.
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09:04<Renee21> Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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09:17<Deux>can anybody help me with installing icons on debian?
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09:19<lostson>Deux: sure unpack them and copy them to /usr/share/icons
09:23<casper366>hi, I'd need a little bash-help: I've got a list of paths with files (eg. /path/to/file/filename) and I would like to filter (grep?) the filename out. how would you do that?
09:23<Riviera>casper366: "filter the filename" out means to list only the pathnames or the filenames? Where do you have that list, in a file?
09:24<casper366>Riviera: I just want the filename to be listed. either file or via pipe; i don't mind. Ideally vie piping
09:25<Riviera>casper366: sed 's-.*/--'
09:25<Riviera>casper366: But tell me, what does generate these paths?
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09:25<casper366>Riviera: sed, wonderfull. find generates it.
09:26<Riviera>casper366: Then better let find handle that.
09:26<Riviera>casper366: Pathnames can contain newline character, where piping through sed would fail. (There could also be locale issues, but well.)
09:26<Riviera>casper366: What do you then intend to do with these filenames?
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09:28<casper366>Riviera: well my idea is to list all files in a dirctory with sub-directorys and then print only the filename with a space and then the path
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09:29<casper366>Riviera: filename.bla /path/to/file ; should be the output in a txtfile
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09:30<Riviera>casper366: So, basically like this? find . -type f -printf '%f %h\n'
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09:32<casper366>Riviera: damn, way too easy. yes. exactly
09:32<Riviera>casper366: okies, two remarks, though:
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09:32<casper366>Riviera: I'm listening
09:32<Riviera>casper366: -printf is not a portable feature of find, it's mainly present in GNU coreutil's find, i.e. it won't work with busybox' find or on e.g. OS X,
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09:33<Riviera>casper366: also, filenames can contain spaces themselves (and, again, also newlines, even though that's surely less likely), so your output format needs to be handled carefully.
09:34<Riviera>carefullily xD
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09:34<casper366>Riviera: hmmm..., ok. I'll pay attention to that, especially the second one.
09:34<casper366>Riviera: Thanks a bunch
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10:00<casper366>Riviera: is a newline just "\n" or does it have to be "\n " so a space succeeding it?
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10:00<Riviera>casper366: I don't understand?
10:00<Riviera>casper366: The newline character is represented by \n in GNU find's -printf primary, just the backslash and the n, no additional space.
10:01<Riviera>casper366: But, why do you ask, something seems odd. :)
10:01<casper366>Riviera: no, everythings fine. i just wanted to clarify.
10:02<Riviera>casper366: ok :)
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10:03<casper366>Riviera: I just tried to imagine a filename with a "hidden" newline, but couldn't come up with one, except for the obvious "/path/to/fun\ny filename.txt" which is, as you said, quite unlikely
10:05<Riviera>casper366: touch $'casper\n366'
10:05<Riviera>casper366: there, have one :)
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10:06<casper366>Riviera: I see. thank you again.
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10:07<Riviera>casper366: I did not mean there was anything hidden about it.
10:08<Riviera>casper366: Often people use find to search for files that they want to process, that is, find would not generate output for human eyes but for other tools.
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10:08<Riviera>casper366: Often there are easy ways to make this process safe for all kinds of filenames, no matter how obscure they are.
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10:09<Riviera>casper366: Hence I asked what you plan to do with the find out, to then suggest a more appropiate solution.
10:09<Riviera>casper366: But, don't worry. :)
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11:04<diazamet>When I mount a usb storage device, why does it get mounted at '/media/usb0' and not '/media/<label>'?
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11:14<diazamet>Solved. For some reason there were a bunch of lines in fstab mounting /dev/sdc* to /media/usb*
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11:19<lsbit>I didn't solved my problem yet
11:19<lsbit>but when I type acpi_listen command
11:20<lsbit>and press inc or dec brightness button
11:20<lsbit>I get two outputs
11:20<lsbit>both looks the same
11:20<lsbit>except one have letter 'K' at the end
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11:21<lsbit>I suppose that that means that two 'things' are changing the brightness
11:22<lsbit>but I don't know how to identify them and disable one
11:22<lsbit>any suggestion
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11:52<casper366>Riviera: Oh, sorry. I didn't realize that I didn't reveal my whole plan yet. But before i wanto say, that I also see it as a training. I believe if I can figure out most of the scripting myself I learn more, than when I go on a Forum or IRC and just recieve the finished script. Therefor I tried to ask as point-on as possible, to not spoil to much for myself ;-)
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11:54<casper366>Riviera: I have alot of Music on my Harddisk, which got quite out of hand (the same files beeing in different locations, eg. /path/to/music1.mp3 and path/else/music1.mp3
11:55<casper366>Riviera: I want to make a list of all the Music i have, then awk out the music which is multiple and then (probably manually) decide at which location the file should stay and the others get deleted
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11:57<casper366>Riviera: Probably there is already a script/programm created for that, but I wanto learn while making something usefull. And I believe I learn more when I figure it out myself, then when I copy it off somewhere and then try to understand it :-)
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11:59<Riviera>casper366: I see, I see. :) It sounds like putting some order into that, like using a hierarchical directory structure, would solve the duplicates issue along the way as well. :)
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11:59<Riviera>casper366: I have to leave now. Please let me see your script then when it's finished. :)
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12:00<casper366>Riviera: Ok. see you next time
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12:35<SamB>how are optical drives connected these days? or, um, do modern systems still have any PATA?
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12:39<SamB>I *really* want to know because I'd like to copy the main files over from my ancient router/PC/server box to a couple of much more recent systems, one for routing and one for hacking on
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12:40<ixi>high end stuff doesn't
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12:44<alrai>guys after i had an update of my kernel to 3.14 my mouse it is a bit slow, what it could be?
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12:55<alrai>and the scroll is not working =)
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13:17<skibur>What do I need to do in order to keep Grub while booting to the Login Menu? In other words, how to I hide the loading status that is on the console?
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13:39<SamB>so, if I have an install with way too many individual partitions, what's a good way to copy most of the filetree (say, all but /home) over to a new filesystem?
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13:42<sven>SamB: tar, for example. make sure you get all types of files
13:42<sven>SamB: and you can either change runlevels or manually disable most services that depend on files in the trees you're moving
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13:46<SamB>I was sort of wondering if something (the installer?) could mount my filesystems in their proper relative locations, but in a subdirectory rather than at / itself
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13:49<dpkg>hmm... rescue is at ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>.
13:49<SamB>!rescue mode
13:49<dpkg>Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details; ask me about <install guide>.
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13:51<TJ>I am needing to scan a flash drive of a coworker and would prefer to do it from my linux box since they are running windows and infected. Any suggestions or advice for tools?
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13:58<TJ>Someone suggested clamav, but it rated pretty poorly on several marks and I'm not sure out of the box how to scan for win viruses on linux since it seems to scan for viruses dependent on what os you installed for
13:58<valdyn>TJ: theres no decent free (as in libre) tool to do what you want
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14:00<valdyn>TJ: and theres plenty non-free scanners, which are off topic here, use one with a linux version or run the windows version in a vm, your choice
14:00<valdyn>TJ: dont use /msg
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14:01<TJ>valdyn what is preferred if not /msg?
14:01<valdyn>TJ: public chat in this channel
14:01<valdyn>TJ: i find bitdefender on google
14:01<valdyn>TJ: im sure there's more
14:02<TJ>Saw that. figured there were some admins in this channel that used debian (as I do) and thought they might have some input in case I missed anything
14:02<TJ>also thought you were messaging me since your posts were showing up in red.
14:03<TJ>so messaged back.
14:03<GNUwalrus>TJ you could try a anti virus / rescue disk live cd
14:03<TJ>Thank you valdyn
14:03<valdyn>TJ: my messages being flagged is your irc client being decent and highlighting when people address you directly
14:03<mtn>TJ: it is in red because your nick was in the message. that is why we put nicks in the messages ;)
14:04<valdyn>TJ: try "va<tab>" in your client, that ought to work too
14:05<TJ>Any you would suggest GNUwalrus? That's more along the lines of what I was thinking, but so far only have sys rescue and avira but haven't found a unbiassed ranking or preference.
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14:06<SamB>hmm, rescue mode looks about right, assuming I can just switch VTs to get out of the chroot
14:06<TJ>Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for pointing that out
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14:06<GNUwalrus>TJ I don't use windows so I wouldn't know what to recommend. There is a list at
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14:07<GNUwalrus>Try a few different ones
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14:08<TJ>Thanks GNUwalrus. It's not a ranking but it is comprehensive so a good resource.
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14:08<TJ>Thanks for your time all
14:09<GNUwalrus>No Problem TJ.
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15:57<carlo>good evening
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16:01<TJ>good afternoon
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16:03<carlo>I think it depend on where we are :)
16:04<TJ>which is why I said good afternoon.
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16:08<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
16:08<faheem_>That was really just a hello. Honest.
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16:09<TJ>Well I'm working. Sorry. No time to chat.
16:09<TJ>I think that's generally what Maulkin is saying as well.
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16:14<carlo>I have a question... I have a problem with curlftpfs, I'm running Debian stable. I mounted the exernal HD via fstab (and it work fine) and I can create delete copy etc. on it both files and directories. but if I create a new directory and then I enter on it I can not do anything inside it. I can't create file or other directory. I set the permissions to 777 in fstab so the new folders are created with 777 permissions, but still I can't do
16:14<carlo> nothing. But if I give chmod 777 on the directory from the termial, then I can modify and create files inside it....
16:15<carlo>I understand that my explanation is not clear... but this problem is not clear for me...
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16:15<somiaj>faheem_: hello. this is tech support channel so usually we leave small talk for elsewhere. You may try #debian-offtopic if you just wish to be social (:
16:15<carlo>if I do "stat directory" before and after the chmod command nothing change!
16:16<somiaj>how did you set the permisssions to 777 in fstab?
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16:17<somiaj>I am unfamilar with curlftpfs, so not sure what sort of things the system has to do to get permissions to work on it
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16:19<carlo>curlftpfs# /home/carlo/NAS fuse auto,user,uid=777,umask=0000,allow_other,_netdev 0 0
16:19<carlo>both uid and umask does the same thing
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16:19<carlo>I putted both because I was trying different solution
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16:22<somiaj>carlo: is your uid really 777 (that seems odd) (that is user ID not permissions)
16:22<somiaj>the umask seems correct to set it up for 777 permissions though.
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16:24<carlo>somiaj: what do you mean with uid really 777? what it should be?
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16:24<somiaj>the uid is the user id number of the user you want to own the files
16:24<somiaj>you should use that over 777 permissions to achive what you want
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16:25<somiaj>carlo: default first user on debian is '1000' so I can either use 'uid=1000' or 'uid=somiaj' and in either case that user will own all the files at that mount point
16:26<carlo>but all the files will have permission 755, that is not wrong, of course, but I tryed 777 because I thought that it was a permission problem
16:26<carlo>but it is not
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16:27<somiaj>as I said these are internals to curlftpfs that I am unsure of
16:28<somiaj>that umask should set them all as 777
16:28<somiaj>but if you change the 'uid=' the user you are using then he would own the files and 755 would work just fine
16:28<somiaj>the umask=0000 should set that up correctly, though there is also dmask and fmask (directoires and files) but they don't need to be set indvidually if you use umask
16:29<somiaj>but those keys I give you do not work for all file systems, they are mainly for the vfat/ntfs in my experience, you may need to configure curlftpfs differently and this i have no experience with, but am looking into it
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16:30<carlo>thank you somiaj, but now I have to close (bed time here in Italy). I change to 777 because I thought it was a permission problem, now I?m sure that it is not, so I could came back to 755, and I will when I will solve the issue.
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16:30<carlo>so you think that it could be a problem of file system?
16:31<somiaj>depends on what you want to do, but I would suggest chaging the uid=carlo (or what ever your user name is) as opposed to messing with the permissions
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16:31<Marillion>carlo: try the *rw* or *default* for your mount option
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16:32<carlo>curlftpfs doesn't work with that mount options
16:32<carlo>or better... I did not achieve to make it works
16:32<Marillion>stupid filesystem
16:33<carlo>anyway I should go. thank you again very much for your help
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16:39<GNUwalrus>In the grsecurity handbook it recommends to use a vanilla kernel. I was wondering if I can apply the debian patches of my current kernel to the vanilla kernel along with the grsecurity patch ?
16:39<slbtc>hey guys I'm having problems installing pepperflashplugin-nonfree I tried various things that people suggested including adding the "nonfree" directory repo and when I tried sudo apt-get pepperflashplugin-nonfree it says it can't be found.
16:41<GNUwalrus>slbtc: make sure the repo line says non-free in your sources list
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16:41<slbtc>GNUwalrus; it does
16:42<Marillion>slbtc: it is in for stable
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16:42<Marillion>slbtc: it is NOT in the wheezy repo
16:43<slbtc>I see
16:43<slbtc>Marlillion: so I would need to get it from squeeze then
16:44<GNUwalrus>slbtc: no wheezy-backports
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16:44<slbtc>GNUwalrus: I did this already
16:45<slbtc>It didn't work
16:45<somiaj>slbtc: if you are running wheezy you have to install it form wheezy-backports, are you doing that?
16:45<slbtc>somiaj: yes it says it doesn't exist
16:45<somiaj>did you say apt-get -t wheezy-backports install pepperflash-nonfree
16:45<somiaj>slbtc: can we see the output of apt-cache policy at please slbtc
16:45<slbtc>somiaj: tried that already
16:45<slbtc>somiaj: ok
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16:46<Marillion>apt-get update forgotten?
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16:49<somiaj>slbtc: you do not have non-free configured for wheezy-backports. Also pepperflash is in 'contrib' not non-free
16:50<somiaj>so you will need to add at least 'contrib' if not 'contrib non-free' to your wheezy-backports line and then apt-get update
16:50<slbtc>ah ok
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16:53<Marillion>GNUwalrus: it is better you use vanilla kernel and patch the kernel for yourself, most bug fixes are include in
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16:54<GNUwalrus>Marillion: Thanks. I was not sure if there was some specific debian patches than I may need. Thanks for clarifying
16:54<Marillion>you're welcome
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16:59<slbtc>thanks guys it worked
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17:11<John_1015814>Im tying to upgrade a squeeze 6.06 install to wheezy but i keep getting "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'multiarch-support'. Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)" Is there a easy fix?
17:12<John_1015814>Im in windows now also Im useing cd1s from debian ISOs
17:14<John_1015814>The reason Im doing it is I have a dkms driver that will build under Squeeze but has errors and wont build under wheezy
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17:16<ompaul>John_1015814: please do these things
17:16<ompaul>apt-get update
17:16<ompaul>apt-get dist-upgrade
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17:17<John_1015814>I did those
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17:17<John_1015814>In that order
17:17<ompaul>John_1015814: apt-get dist-upgrade -o APT::Immediate-Configure=0
17:18<ompaul>you should do an apt-get update anyway
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17:18<John_1015814>Ok I will try
17:19<ompaul>John_1015814: get that command line into a text file on a usb stick or print it out or something
17:19<ompaul>get it exactly right
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17:20<John_1015814>I have it in a text file in a usb
17:21<John_1015814>Thanks Im going to try now ill be back soon
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18:20<guido>Hey guys, anyone here using isc-dhcp-server?
18:20<guido>I want to make it automatically attach to an interface when it show up, since it doesn't by defaulta
18:20<guido>and I have to restart it every time...
18:21<somiaj>guido: have you tried to modify the config file to do so, or is it an issue where your interface is still not up by the time the server runs so it cannot attach itself?
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18:23<guido>somiaj: it's a usb rndis interface, so it appears and disappears whenever the devices is turned on/off
18:23<guido>but isc-dhcp won't notice if the interface wasn't there when it started up
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18:24<somiaj>guido: do you want the server to run on any other interfaces?
18:24<guido>no, not necesarilly
18:24<somiaj>guido: since the interface is not persistant wonder if adding a preup/down script to your interfaces file would work
18:24<guido>somiaj: yeah that'd work but it'd be kinda slow
18:25<guido>somiaj: it takes a while for the server to start
18:25<somiaj>well you could disable the server completely, then if you use /etc/network/interfaces to bring up/down the interfaces you could only bring the server up after the interfaces is running. This will keep you from having to manually restart it
18:25<somiaj>I don't know the dhcp server that well, but chances are if the interface is not present it won't idel/wait for it
18:26<somiaj>you could also look for support specifficaly for isc-dhcp-server and see if it has the ability you want
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18:28<guido>somiaj: yep, or submit a patch :)
18:28<guido>i'm going with up/down rules for now
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18:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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20:21<tony77>Hey Guys. I just migrated a debian 6 server from physical to virtual doing these steps:
20:22<tony77>I have tried several times to install grub, update it, etc. doing in chroot mode. Etc. But I still can't get the machine to boot.
20:23<tony77>when I boot it into xen server it doesn't even show a grub error, just a black screen and nothing ever happens. Any advice? Thank you!!
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20:48<zhangtao>i have a problem
20:48<zhangtao>i used debian wheezy
20:50<zhangtao>and the notebook is lenovo y400,but i can't can't change brightness
20:50<zhangtao>i can FN+up or down ,but it cant changed
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20:51<zhangtao>so can you help me?
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21:00<tony77>Hey Guys. I just migrated a debian 6 server from physical to virtual doing these steps:
21:00<tony77>I have tried several times to install grub, update it, etc. doing in chroot mode. Etc. But I still can't get the machine to boot.
21:01<tony77>when I boot it into xen server it doesn't even show a grub error, just a black screen and nothing ever happens. Any advice? Thank you!!
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21:18<Asiajey>Where to find info if I want to set different configure rules for package built with the same sources ? (making standalone module modsecure package)
21:18<themill>!package recompile
21:18<dpkg>1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
21:19<themill>Asiajey: the debian/rules file in the source package controls the configuration of the build
21:19<Asiajey>yes, I trying to understand how I should specify the target
21:20<themill>what do you mean by "specify the target"? Precisely which package are you talking about here?
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21:21<Asiajey>themill: modsecurity-apache-2.8.0
21:22<Asiajey>I add to control package: libmodsecurity-standalone and want to build it with other configure options
21:23<Asiajey>exactly --enable-standalone-module --disable-mlogc
21:23<themill>it's not as simple as just adding extra stanzas to debian/control; the configure line is in debian/rules as I said.
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21:27<Asiajey>themill: I understand, but how to tell "compile other packages as usual, but this one with this options" ?
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21:27<themill>you've got a huge amount of work to do for that
21:27<dpkg>debian/rules is the makefile used when building a .deb from source, edit it to change compilation options. Some packages use sophisticated build systems that should be documented in debian/README.source. Also remember to make a new entry in debian/changelog with "~yourname" (for a backport) or "+yourname" (for a recompile) added to the version number. See also <makefile>, <hold>, <package recompile>, <source>, <unique package version>.
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21:28<dpkg>well, makefile is a file to pass rules and dependencies to <make>. A nice guide to writing makefiles can be found at
21:28<themill>Asiajey: you can just "/msg dpkg keywords" too
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21:31<Asiajey>themill: why so (amount of work) ? or at least show me direction, I know about .dirs and install files, but can't find a correct tail to get this in rules
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21:35<themill>You'd have to completely rework debian/rules to get it to build the package twice with different configure options. You'd need to get it to build in a separate build directory rather than in-place to do that too. This really isn't a trivial piece of work.
21:35<themill>Are you doing this for the debian packaging or just for your own personal use?
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21:38<Asiajey>themill: personal use, but will need to automate/repeat this, also it should be package
21:38<Asiajey>themill: local distro in short words
21:38<themill>You probably should just build a separate source package that builds just the one binary package with the options you want then.
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21:40<Asiajey>I think I found good example in nginx package, will try to understand this, it seems i better to name my new package as libapache2-modsecurity-standalone
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21:52<rostam>HI I want to create a local repo of some debian packages with their dependencies what tool would be the best and easiest to do this task? thanks
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21:52<WangDang>Hi, I'm upgrading a lenny box to squeeze. Release notes say to do minimal upgrade first, upgrade the kernel next, then to upgrade udev, before doing dist-upgrade. I'm trying to figure out which udev to use. squeeze is at 164-3. That won't install because of dependencies. The last point release of lenny was at 0.125-7+lenny3. The newest I can find on archive.d.o/d-backports/pool is 0.105-4~bpo.1. Can anyone give me some advice on how to
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22:58<Kasama>Hello there everybody
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23:08<retrospectacus>hi Kasama
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23:09<Kasama>do anyone here has any experience with proprietary AMD drivers
23:10<retrospectacus>if you have a problem, go ahead and describe it
23:11<Kasama>yeah, I have tried that already
23:11<Kasama>the problem is that when I create the xorg.conf file and reboot
23:11<Kasama>I get a black screen with a _ on the top corner
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23:17<Kasama>to get X to load again i must delete the xorg.conf file
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23:17<Kasama>then reload
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23:27<tsudo>so um, anybody know a good w9wmrc to look at?
23:30<tsudo>like how to raise and lower windows using the keyboard?
23:30<tsudo>or change focus without raising...
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23:31<Kasama>don't really know, sry
23:32<tsudo>damn, i gotta use g-groups or something? since i can't use slrn i avoid usenet
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23:33*tsudo likes that it's a 32k package, but that's about it
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23:49<tsudo>i'm.... giving up for now
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