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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-08-30

---Logopened Sat Aug 30 00:00:20 2014
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00:00<nyov>oh right. have to look at my calendar. ...hmm, ah there it is. todaaay it's -- solarflares! (doh, why did I even ask anyone, so obvious)
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00:03<nyov>SHIT.that means I just lost 2 years. oh noes
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00:37<nyov>gah. after much self-doubt. found the reason here... https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/12988
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00:39<nyov>so it was as I thought, subkey expired ...and was no longer listed in apt's gpg list (wtf, hard to track down)
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00:42<nyov>seems this happened 2 years ago already. geez. serious security mindset. lmao
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00:45<nyov>(okay, in all fairness, key rollover's suck)
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01:51<anil>how to set dc++ hub on ubuntu
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01:56<helmut_>hi
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02:53<pudor>hi all! i have [off]dream[/off] problem:-)
02:54<pudor>skype and debian working together
02:54<pudor>sorry for my english
02:54<devil>pudor: MS makesus use the lattest version
02:54<devil>older versions do not work anymore
02:54<pudor>i know
02:55<devil>for latest you need pulsaudio
02:55<devil>well, then ask your real question
02:55<pudor>but drivers for sound and webcam all poor
02:55<pudor>are instead of all
02:55<devil>?
02:56<pudor>freezening, "no device" for sound and all that
02:56<pudor>in the middle of conversation
02:56<devil>pudor: well, I had the same thing here.
02:56<devil>throw skype as far as you can and use google hangouts or a sip app for that
02:56<pudor>so microsoft windows is only choice for skype?
02:57<devil>skype is utter crap, the more so with the latest version
02:57<pudor>say it my oldies:-)
02:58<devil>google hangouts is easy
02:58<devil>of course there isa other solutions with more privacy
02:59<pudor>advertise it not only here and "one day...":-)
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03:01<jmcnaught>pudor: There is a wiki page about skype: https://wiki.debian.org/skype
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03:02<devil>jmcnaught: it just does not work, it's broken
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03:03<devil>freezes on me as well after a couple minutes
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03:03<devil>well, it did until 'i threw it as far as I could
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03:04<devil>first sound stutters, then video freezes. a lot of people have that. the version they pulled was fine
03:04<pudor>i one agree to stay on wire for assist me i can try to solve drivers problems but connection must be many hops away, in local environment like virtualboxes all works fine
03:04<pudor>if
03:04<pudor> instead of i
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03:05<devil>it is not a driver problem. the old version worked, the new one does not
03:05<pudor>how old?
03:05<pudor>from 4 it's crapy
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03:06<devil>well, the one before latest worked fine for me, no freezes
03:06<devil>no stuttering
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03:08<pudor>if it works on windows it must works everyos, so it drivers problem imho
03:08<pudor>is
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03:09<pudor>maybe skype problem albeit:-)
03:10<pudor>so no way without windows:-(
03:10<pudor>pitty
03:10<pudor>goodbye
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04:15<bitcrunsher>Hi people!
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04:21<bitcrunsher>Where to talk to people using raspian pi and its configuration ?
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04:25<bitcrunsher>!raspian
04:25<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
04:26<bitcrunsher>Thanx
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04:33<bitcrunsher>!raspian
04:33<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
04:35<heaumer`>!gentoo
04:35<dpkg>Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC and Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. For a satirical take on it see http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ , http://bash.org/?464385 and ask me about <greenhouse>, <funroll-loops>. #gentoo on irc.freenode.net
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04:35<heaumer`>nice :-)
04:35<heaumer`>!slackware
04:35<dpkg>hmm... slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg . http://www.slackware.com/ ##slackware on irc.freenode.net.
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04:35<heaumer`>!mickey-mouse
04:36<heaumer`>ok, there *are* limitations :)
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05:23<himanshu>Hello All
05:23<himanshu>just wanted to know if clonezilla live ISO for i686 will work fine on i386?
05:24<himanshu>I dont find and option for i386 there
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05:24<himanshu>I wanted to create a system recovery disk here and Im new in linux
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05:31<heaumer`>himanshu: there should be no problem
05:31<himanshu>Okay thanks heaumer
05:31<babilen>himanshu: Unless your computer is twenty years old it probably would work, yeah. But then the architecture of the system installed on the system doesn't really matter to a live CD unless you want to chroot into it.
05:31<heaumer`>i386 is the "original" x86, 8086, circa 1986 to mid 90
05:32<heaumer`>686 is 1995
05:32<weasel>no, it's not.
05:32<himanshu>okay thanks
05:32<weasel>i386 is the 386, not the 8086.
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05:32<heaumer`>weasel: ah, 80386 sorry
05:32<himanshu>Im just trying to create a back up cd in case a recovery is needed,I need to have my system dual boot with windows and I am new to Linux here
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05:35<himanshu>I got a new laptop and chose to use Linux on it so I somehow installed Debian wheezy,but I admit I struggle to perform simple things on them like updating my flash player for mozilla and things like that lol :D
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05:38<heaumer`>himanshu: i'm sure if you google about, you'll find dozens of related links :-)
05:42<himanshu>Yes I do
05:42<himanshu>But not very familliar about the terminology used in Linux
05:43<heaumer`>which term(s) in particular?
05:43<himanshu>chroot etc
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05:44<heaumer`>hum, which url is this? this seems unlikely for chroot to be needed here :)
05:44<himanshu>okay thanks :)
05:44<heaumer`>chroot stands for change-root, that is, to change the root partition
05:45<heaumer`>for instance, suppose you have two linux installed on the same hard disk and you booted the first one
05:45<heaumer`>suppose the second one is mounted on /mnt/linux2
05:45<himanshu>ok,I hope to make more acquaintance with Debian stuff
05:45<himanshu>Yea
05:45<heaumer`>you may issue a 'chroot /mnt/linux2' to start on shell "on the second linux"
05:45<himanshu>I see
05:46<heaumer`>this is very poor and limited virtualisation (i think it's posix, so works on every unix)
05:46<himanshu>would you suggest me some good reading material on Debian?I can always google though..
05:46<himanshu>Or linux
05:47<wompa>http://debian-handbook.info/
05:47<himanshu>ok thanks
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05:49<himanshu>I got to use some space on my hard disk to install windows 7 on it as I do need to use its some softwares such as lync etc,and I have Debian wheezy installed already
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05:51<heaumer`>well, it's likely the windws will override your mbr , so you won't be able to boot your linux thereafter
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05:52<heaumer`>(use grub-install or similar from clonezilla to re-install it)
05:52<heaumer`>also, the slackbook contains interesting informations: http://slackbook.org/html/book.html
05:52<wompa>himanshu, if you have a pretty fast computer maybe virtualisation would be better
05:53<heaumer`>it's more slackware-centered, but as slackware adds only a very thin layer, most of this stuff can be re-used for other unixes
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05:57<himanshu>@wompa is that done using HVM support?
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06:01<himanshu>I gotta system of 500 GB hard disk and 4 GB RAM
06:01<wompa>himanshu, your choice, you can use Virtualbox instead, I don't think it requires HVM capabilities
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06:05<himanshu>@heaumer (use grub-install or similar from clonezilla to re-install it) I am still running debian
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06:06<wompa>himanshu, you don't have to use @ when highlighting someone
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06:08<himanshu>oh ok
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06:11<himanshu>wompa I am trying it with VirtualBox,what you say would it be better to use clonezilla after installing Windows with it,I am not sure how clonezilla will create a backup for me?would that save an image in the system which can be used some way if system crashes?
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06:18<wompa>himanshu, I've never used clonezilla. Virtualbox uses virtual storage in files, you can just save backup copies of those files.
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06:29<himanshu>ok wompa,what do you use to create system recovery things?
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06:29<wompa>himanshu, I only save data and configurations with rsync
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06:39<wompa>I wouldn't bother with more for a single laptop
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06:49<heaumer`>himanshu: to be more clear: the mbr is a little space on your hard-drive, where one may find a bootloader (eg. grub, lilo, syslinux)
06:50<heaumer`>windows silently override the bootloader when being installed
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06:50<heaumer`>so you'll have to re-install a bootloader after installing windows
06:51<heaumer`>assuming clonezilla comes with grub, you may re-install grub after booting clonezilla by issuing a 'grub-install' in a shell
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06:55<somiaj>though if you use efi boot with gpt partitions that is no longer the case.
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07:20<montyboy>window 4
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07:22<Coke>hey ya'll
07:22<Coke>i'm currently trying to compile cinnamon from source
07:23<Coke>using this guide
07:23<Coke>http://segfault.linuxmint.com/2013/10/how-to-build-and-install-the-latest-cinnamon-from-git/
07:23<Coke>but with cinnamon and nemo
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07:23<Coke>they don't want to build right
07:23<Coke>i wonder if its cause i installed the translation package to late
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07:23<Coke>they did say to go in order
07:24<Coke>and when i couldn't find the build depencies from the source i thought maybe i didn't need to install that
07:24<Coke>but i was wrong
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07:24<Coke>cause later on i tried dpkg-buildpackage
07:24<Coke>and it worked
07:25<SynrG>first off, which release of debian?
07:25<himanshu>Ill use virtual box to spare me reinstalling linux
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07:26<SynrG>,v cinnamon-desktop-environment
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07:26<judd>Package: cinnamon-desktop-environment on i386 -- sid: 2.2.2
07:26<Coke>debian 8
07:26<SynrG>!tum
07:26<dpkg>«echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
07:26<Coke>jessie beta
07:26<SynrG>Coke: do this ^^
07:26<SynrG>Coke: also, support for jessie is on #debian-next
07:26<Coke>ok
07:27-!-mode/#debian [+l 630] by debhelper
07:27<SynrG>with a testing/unstable mix it is currently possible to install all of cinnamon
07:27<SynrG>no recompilation needed.
07:27<Coke>oh right thanks
07:27<Coke>so i edit sources.list
07:28<SynrG>let's take it to #debian-next
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07:31<Coke>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib
07:31<Coke>deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib
07:31<Coke>is that the one
07:31<Coke>ok
07:31<Coke>so change jessie to unstable?
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07:32<somiaj>Coke: /j #debian-next and continue the discussion with SynrG there
07:37<Apollo>isn't mixing anything with unstable usually a really bad idea
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07:39<somiaj>Apollo: mixing stable with testing or unstable is a bad idea
07:40<somiaj>Apollo: when testing is not frozen (the freeze is gonna happen nov 5th) unstable and testing are close (as in packages migrate into testing either after 5 or 10 days). So most the depends are satisified by unstable packages in testing and can be installed with little issue.
07:40<somiaj>Apollo: you do loose out on valuable bug reports if something goes wrong, and once testing freezes it becomes a bad idea to mix.
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09:04<WangDang>Hi, I could use help deciding if I am OK to proceed with my lenny->squeeze upgrade. It's an amd64 server. Minimal upgrade went well. install linux-image-2.6-amd64 wouldn't upgrade to a sqz kernel because of dependancies. Got around that with help from this channel by installing a sqz kernel from lenny-backports. Next thing the release notes say, is to upgrade udev to squeeze. Message says it's already at the most recent version. Trying
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09:12<Guest957>hello from finland
09:13<abrotman>WangDang: you were truncated
09:14<Guest957>okei hawe tu closing down this time ...moi
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10:03<puzzlet>would some kind person with experience in using lnux, or kali-linux to be precise please help me for a moment,, trying to install spotify, something i use a lot. couldent be whitout it. please someone
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10:06<Phr33d0m>puzzlet on their download page there's description on how to do it on debian
10:07<Apollo>and this isn't the support channel for kali-linux
10:07<abrotman>puzzlet: this isn't a kali support channel, try #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net
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10:11<puzzlet>Phr33d0m, read it and did it all precise and in the right order but failed.. will you be online for a while. iĺ give it a try again and if it doesent work, i tell you exactly how it behaived? wont take long. will you be online for a while?
10:11<abrotman>puzzlet: this is not the support channel for Kali .. last warning
10:12<puzzlet>sorry
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10:13<Gatis>Hi
10:14<aaron83>hi there
10:14<aaron83>i have a problems
10:14<Gatis>yes
10:15<aaron83>i have a debian chroot enviroment functional 100% into my device
10:16<aaron83>but after install aicrack-ng does not see my interfaces in mon mode..its like simbolic link is missing or someting...see output http://paste.debian.net/118365/
10:16<aaron83>any idea?...mon0 it a symlink into dev and is missing??
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10:39<faheem_>puzzlet: you can ask on unix.stackexchange
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12:17<WangDang>abrotman: Hi, no truncation. Maybe my question just wasn't clear. What is missing?
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12:31<Krim>hi. i have a strange problem with debian: every time i boot up (fresh install) i get a black screen - even in single user mode. already tried nomodeset and gfxforce in grub, but nothing happens. system is an intel atom reference board, monitor is a television over dvi->hdmi. dunno what i can do :(
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12:36<faheem_>Krim: have you tried live cds?
12:37-!-mode/#debian [+l 649] by debhelper
12:37<Krim>nope not yet, but i can see the graphical installer from my USB boot device
12:38<Krim>computer doesn't have a CD drive, so it's a lil bit tricky to run a live cd
12:38<faheem_>Krim: try an external boot device, perhaps
12:38<faheem_>effectively the same i guess
12:39<Krim>i boot using an USB thumb drive with the debian installer on it. this works well
12:39<faheem_>Krim: if you boot with a live device, check what the X config and drivers look like
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12:40<Krim>even if i look at them, i'm unable to change the configuration on the fresh debian installation
12:40<faheem_>Krim: you could try the debian-based grml
12:40<Krim>because it'll fade to black before i can access anything.
12:40<Krim>only possibility i have is to enter commands on the grub console
12:40<faheem_>Krim: sure you can. go in there with a live cd, chroot into the install, and change it
12:41<faheem_>it's just sitting on the disk
12:41<faheem_>the config i mean
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12:41<Krim>okay this is possible, but single user mode doesn't boot up X
12:41<faheem_>you could also look and see if an x log was generated
12:42<faheem_>Krim: no, i mean if you can get a live cd to run X on the machine, you can leverage that
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12:44<Krim>yea, but (despite the fact that i don't think a livecd works :P) i want to use debian, and it's not running directly after a fresh install when i try to boot up in rescue single user mode, so X is not loaded. So the problem must be anywhere else, and i don't have a clue, why it even destroys the working frame buffer (i can see the boot up frame buffer output until a lot of hex codes show up)
12:44<Krim>so maybe it's a debian bug.
12:44<faheem_>Krim: maybe
12:45<faheem_>try a different distribution?
12:45<Krim>ofc i could use ubuntu (which worked well before) but i want debian to work on this machine ;)
12:45<Krim>and this is a intel atom reference board, so many many many users are using this setup
12:46<faheem_>Krim: if you can get something similar to work, you can use it to try to isolate the problem
12:47<Krim>thats my problem: I've no idea where to start because normally in single user mode there shouldn't be any changes to the frame buffer.
12:48<Krim>so it must be a kernel module or a bug directly in the kernel, or are there any other positiblities?
12:48<faheem_>Krim: what are you trying to use. Debian stable/testing/unstable? what kernel?
12:48<Krim>stable, latest.
12:48<faheem_>Krim: ah, ok, try an unstable or testing build then
12:49<Krim>tried testing before, same effect.
12:49<Krim>and unstable is no option :( want to use the system for productive usage.
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12:50<faheem_>Krim: Sure, but if it works with a different kernel, you could try that kernel
12:50<faheem_>stable is not very fussy what kernel you use afaik
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12:51<Krim>hm i'll try an unstable installation. but i think that the maintainer of the debian package has to fix this afap. minimal installation on a reference board should never result in an unusable system
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12:52<faheem_>Krim: well, you should certainly send a bug report
12:52<faheem_>does it work onk with a different monitor?
12:52<faheem_>*ok
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12:57<casper366>hi, is there a way to sort the fields ($1,...$NF). I'd like to keep $1(name) as it is and $2-$NF (Points) be sorted by length/size
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13:30<SamB>hmm, my laptop has stopped doing a proper screen lock when I hibernate it ... at least I *think* it had been doing that for hibernate. Would removing avahi-daemon have any sort of plausible relationship with that?
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14:48<YamakasY>now this is strange since 7 is installed: Depends: libtomcat6-java (>= 6.0.20-7) but it is not going to be installed
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14:53<faheem_>YamakasY: Not really. very common error
14:55<faheem_>YamakasY: check the output of apt-cache policy <all packages mentioned in the error message>
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14:57<YamakasY>faheem_: mhh I thought it just checked on more than java 6
14:57<YamakasY>which is there
14:58<faheem_>YamakasY: huh?
14:58<faheem_>are ou running stable?
15:00<YamakasY>faheem_: same on Ubuntu 14.04 so
15:01<faheem_>YamakasY: did you check the output of policy?
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15:03<YamakasY>faheem_: yes, none installed, but I wonder why
15:03<YamakasY>even 7 is not
15:03<YamakasY>but java 7 is
15:04<YamakasY>openjdk ;)
15:05<faheem_>The "it is not going to be installed" is a common error if you have a mix of packages that don't belong together
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15:06<YamakasY>faheem_: I will make it a 7 in the package than
15:06<faheem_>YamakasY: I'm afraid I have no idea what you are talking about, but have you figured out how to solve your problem?
15:09<YamakasY>faheem_: almost, building my own packages :)
15:10<faheem_>YamakasY: ok :-)
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15:27<LOL>does somebody wants to play mario only on fcaux emulator?
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16:09<sakax>how can i easily flip a movie which was created with a smartphone?
16:09<sakax>i want to avoid re-encoding
16:10<sakax>the movie is mp4 container with h264 codec
16:10<sakax>vlc can flip the movie during the playback but it's unable to save it
16:10<sakax>it was recorded by holding my smartphone upside down :(
16:11<planetmaker>sakax, avconv should have options for that
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16:15<sakax>planetmaker: yes, already tried that, it always re-encodes my video
16:15<sakax>i just want to flip it without re-encoding as quality is already not that great
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16:17<planetmaker>changing the canvas always means a re-encoding, sort of
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17:21<qwk>Hi guys, how do I fix sftpd?
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17:26<abrotman>fix?
17:26<qwk>install*
17:26<qwk> /setup?
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17:32<Fakeboost>Hello, how do I know if Pulseaudio is actually running?
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17:34<Nemoder>Fakeboost: you can check your process list for the daemon ps -A | grep pulseaudio
17:35<Fakeboost>Ill try that, thanks
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17:35<Fakeboost>nemoder, it shows a question mark...
17:35<Fakeboost>Does that mean it is not running?
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17:36<Fakeboost>3183 ? 00:00:00 pulseaudio
17:36<Fakeboost>like so
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17:37<Nemoder>that just means it isn't attached to a particular terminal
17:37<Nemoder>but it is running since it's listed
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17:38<Fakeboost>great, thanks again !
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18:51<trinity>hello
18:51<trinity>french ??
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18:52<LtL>trinity: bonjour
18:52<LtL>.fr
18:52<LtL>!fr
18:52<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
18:52<trinity>merci
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18:58<Admin_Peanut>Good day; Is there a way to get a replacement file "/usr/bin/file" for Debian 5, Lenny, for PowerPC, please.
19:00<Admin_Peanut>I went to to debianappc, but bo users on...
19:00<Admin_Peanut>*no
19:00<Admin_Peanut>hello ??
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19:00<Brigo>Admin_Peanut, i has never used powerpc, sorry
19:01<Admin_Peanut>ty :-)
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19:01<Admin_Peanut>ty.
19:01<Admin_Peanut>Anyone else ?
19:02<Admin_Peanut>it's for a WD MyBookLive OS
19:03<Admin_Peanut>Which for me, is a cheap Linux box for testing... :-)
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19:03<Admin_Peanut>oh well. ty all Good bye
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19:14<wingless>Admin_Peanut: http://archive.debian.net/lenny/powerpc/file/download
19:15<Admin_Peanut>wingless ty
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19:31<Admin_Peanut>wingless You are very kind. I have my file now... Now I'll read and install it. Wish me luck lol Thak you again. :-)
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19:37<marenostrum>hey i am 68 and i am struggling with a problem for days =(
19:38<Brigo>!ask
19:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:39<devil>marenostrum: age is no excuse :)
19:39<marenostrum>oo but i am a slow learner hehe
19:39<devil>marenostrum: and I can say that, I am not that far from you
19:39<marenostrum>o
19:39<marenostrum>intresting =)
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19:49<jaccob>my flash in chromium is not installed after an update
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19:50<devil>jaccob: you want pepper-flashplugin
19:50<jaccob>devil thx
19:50<jaccob>devil, I dont see it in the repo
19:51<devil>jaccob: i might have gotten the packagenmame wrong
19:51<themill>,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
19:51<judd>Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on i386 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; sid/contrib: 1.5; jessie/contrib: 1.5
19:51<devil>pepperflashplugin-nonfree
19:51<themill>(it's in wheezy-backports contrib)
19:52<jaccob>oh, things go awry when I use backports
19:52<themill>err
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19:56<jaccob>themill, thx
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19:57<qwk>Anyone who can help me to get pureftpd working on debian?
19:57<qwk>Status: Connecting to IP:21...
19:57<qwk>Status: Connection established, waiting for welcome message...
19:57<qwk>Response: 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [privsep] [TLS] ----------
19:57<qwk>Response: 220-You are user number 1 of 50 allowed.
19:57<qwk>Response: 220-Local time is now 23:55. Server port: 21.
19:57-!-qwk was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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19:57<qwk>Status: Initializing TLS...
19:57<qwk>Status: Verifying certificate...
19:58<qwk>Command: USER jrat
19:58<qwk>Status: TLS/SSL connection established.
19:58<devil>qwk: stop
19:58<qwk>Response: 331 User jrat OK. Password required
19:58<qwk>Command: PASS *********************
19:58<qwk>Response: 421 Home directory not available - aborting
19:58<qwk>Error: Could not connect to server
19:58<jaccob>works now, thx themill, thx devil
19:58<Brigo>qwk, stop pasting
19:58<qwk>http://paste.debian.net/118475/
19:58<jaccob>qwk, pastebin
19:58<qwk>sorry Brian_N_Smith devil
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19:58<devil>qwk: use a pastebin please
19:59<qwk>yea
19:59<Brigo>qwk 421 Home directory not available did you user has a home directory in the server?
19:59<qwk>http://pastebin.com/050L75kv
20:00<qwk>well when i do pure-pw show jrat it give me this: http://pastebin.com/dJVtPCt1
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20:02<qwk>I did this: pure-pw useradd test1 -u ftpuser -d /var/www
20:03<qwk>I did this: pure-pw useradd jrat -u ftpuser -d /var/www
20:03<qwk>http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/pureftp.htm
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20:07<qwk>that home directory is created
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20:09<qwk>Any suggestions?
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20:26<cyberjunkie>hello
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20:26<devil>cyberjunkie: just ask
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21:03<iper>I'm a cuestion
21:04<seeS>you have a question?
21:04<iper>yes I curiosti menMy cuention is i can creatie a virtual pen
21:04<jmcnaught>iper: go ahead and ask with as much detail as you can provide, no need to ask to ask :)
21:05<iper>not
21:05<seeS>A virtual pen? You mean something to draw with?
21:06<jmcnaught>iper: if english is not your first language, there might be another Debian channel in your language
21:06<iper>what my english is bad
21:06<jmcnaught>iper: which language do you speak?
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21:06<iper>Spanish
21:06<jmcnaught>!es
21:06<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
21:07<iper>thanks
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21:15<TwoShirt>!jp
21:15<dpkg>Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here.
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21:17<qwk>I get a error while trying to start a service on my user. i2prouter start
21:17<qwk>Starting I2P Service...
21:17<qwk>mkdir: cannot create directory `/home/jrat': Permission denied
21:17<qwk>Any suggestion?
21:18<seeS>what user are you starting it as?
21:20<qwk>I just added a random user
21:21<seeS>ok, so this is the jrat user? and you want the jrat user to run the service?
21:22<qwk>http://puu.sh/beOJZ/1d6865ce67.png
21:22<qwk>yup
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21:23<iper>you say for permision for directori jrat
21:23<iper>or .
21:23<seeS>ok, that user needs a home directory owned, or at least writeable jrat
21:23<qwk>okay, how do I do that?
21:23<seeS>this service makes directories in the users homedir
21:24<seeS>mkdir /home/jrat
21:24<seeS>chown jrat /home/jrat
21:24<seeS>if the user has its own group use that too
21:24<iper>and chmod 700 jrat
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21:25<seeS>yes, that will me only it (and root) can see in it
21:26<iper>and you can enter into files with you root into boot the system
21:27<iper>sorry but I can't not ansewrs the questions
21:27<qwk>how do I I set chmod 700 jrat
21:28<iper>yes
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21:28<qwk>is it chmod 700 /home/jrat ?
21:28<iper>and chown jrat /home/jrat
21:28<qwk>already done ^
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21:29<seeS>i usually change user then mode
21:29<iper>and prove with enter for others users
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21:29<seeS>ls -ld /home/jrat will tell you if it is ok
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21:30<iper>I enter in the terminal
21:30<qwk>drwx------ 3 jrat root 4096 Aug 31 01:29 /home/jrat
21:31<iper>Its ok
21:31<seeS>yes
21:31<seeS>so try start it
21:31<qwk>now its working
21:31<iper>you send the calculator chmod in the internet
21:31<iper>is very easy
21:31<iper>and compred the nubrs
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21:32<iper>numbers*
21:33<qwk>but when I su to jrat I it look like this: http://puu.sh/bePqA/303905e213.png
21:33<qwk>how do I change so it shows the directory
21:34<qwk>and also when im doing ls I dont get the Permission denied issue
21:34<qwk>but i2prouter is working anyway!
21:34<iper>thats o and you put in your terminal chmod 700 /home/jrat/.
21:34<seeS>well, you're in roots home directory then changing to a normal user
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21:35<seeS>so the ls is really ls /root and its not letting you do that
21:35<iper>the . is directoriy
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21:36<iper>and for securyty put chmod /Home/jrat/*
21:36<qwk>sudo http://puu.sh/bePE9/a541dc7b6f.png
21:36<iper>the * is all directys are here
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21:36<qwk>just chmod or cmmod 700 /home/jrat ?
21:37<qwk>chmod* 700
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21:37<iper>you speak spanihthat is easythat
21:37<qwk>before it showed witch directory I was in
21:37<iper>explication
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21:38<qwk>like $~/jrat ls
21:39<iper>this is simple that see
21:39<iper>diabo4497.es.tl
21:39<iper>this my web
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21:40<qwk>I speak swedish :s
21:41<iper>google traductor I speak english that google
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21:44<pfsense_rookie>"drwx------ 3 jrat root 4096 Aug 31 01:29 /home/jrat" I believe your ownership is wrong.
21:45<pfsense_rookie>The standard you should be "jrat jrat" instead of "jrat root".
21:45<qwk>ok
21:45<iper>Speak for pics
21:45<qwk>how do I set it so it will be correct?
21:46<pfsense_rookie>just do "chown -R jrat:jrat /home/jrat". The "-R" is for recursive - in order to change the underlying files as well.
21:47<pfsense_rookie>And then tell us if what you were trying to do works now.
21:47<iper>that I not acces the jrat not acces jrat/.
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21:47<pfsense_rookie>iper, I can't understand what you just wrote.
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21:48<qwk>root@jrat:/home/jrat# ls -ld /home/jrat
21:48<qwk>drwx------ 4 jrat jrat 4096 Aug 31 01:36 /home/jrat
21:49<qwk>http://puu.sh/beQry/bc98cb02f3.png
21:49<pfsense_rookie>It looks fine now, but the permissions bits are still weird.
21:49<qwk>it doesnt show the directory it is in
21:50<humanG33k>someone can help me to configure xserver-[...]-nouveau ? can't have a better resolution than 1024-768
21:50<iper>If I do not have root access to following not to you
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21:51<pfsense_rookie>hmm, I believe this has to do with your bash related files in the /home/jrat directory.
21:51<pfsense_rookie>iper, I really can't understand you.
21:51<qwk>okay, how do I fix that
21:52<pfsense_rookie>qwk, is this a new user? Have you deleted some files?
21:52<iper>nothing
21:53<qwk>I havent deleted anything but I have done pure-pw useradd jrat -u ftpuser -d /home/jrat
21:53<qwk>and pure-pw useradd jrat -u ftpuser -d /home/ftpusers/jrat
21:53<qwk>if that doesnt matter?
21:54<qwk>(pure-ftpd)
21:54<pfsense_rookie>I am not familiar with adding a user in such way.
21:54<pfsense_rookie>Do "ls -la" on your home directory and see if a ".bashrc" file is present.
21:55<pfsense_rookie>If it is copy the line here.
21:55<qwk>uhmm on root or as the user?
21:55<pfsense_rookie>As jrat.
21:56<qwk>$ ls -la
21:56<qwk>ls: cannot open directory .: Permission denied
21:56<qwk>$
21:56<pfsense_rookie>The ".bashrc" on the user's respective home directory has configuration information for the console.
21:56<pfsense_rookie>What is your current and folder and user?
21:56<qwk>I dont know
21:56<pfsense_rookie>"pwd" - tells you your current directory.
21:57<qwk>which is my current folder when I su from root to jrat
21:57<pfsense_rookie>Depends on the configuration files and on which file you were.
21:57<qwk>and I cant tab to make /ho to /home
21:57<pfsense_rookie>We'll get to that soon.
21:58<pfsense_rookie>You can also just do "cd /home/jrat/"
21:58<pfsense_rookie>or "ls -la /home/jrat".
21:58<qwk>$ ls -la /home/jrat
21:58<qwk>total 16
21:58<qwk>drwx------ 4 jrat jrat 4096 Aug 31 01:36 .
21:58<qwk>drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Aug 31 01:25 ..
21:58<qwk>drwxr-xr-x 12 jrat jrat 4096 Aug 31 01:31 .i2p
21:58-!-qwk was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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21:59<qwk>https://pad.riseup.net/p/debiandebian
21:59<abrotman>qwk: use a pastebin, don't flood the channel
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22:00<qwk>I made a pad so I can copy / paste on the fly
22:01<pfsense_rookie>Do "cp /etc/bash.bashrc /home/jrat/.bashrc"
22:02<qwk>sh: 14: drwxr-xr-x: not found
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22:02<abrotman>eh ..
22:02<pfsense_rookie>This will copy the standard configuration file for Bash (the shell) to your home directory, so that you can use it.
22:02<abrotman>you mean /etc/skel/.bashrc ?
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22:03<abrotman>pfsense_rookie: that's not the right file
22:03<pfsense_rookie>abrotman, under Debian 7.6 that's the default location.
22:03<pfsense_rookie>abrotman, what are you using?
22:03<abrotman>pfsense_rookie: no, but okay .. whatever you want to say
22:04<pfsense_rookie>abrotman, you do not need to hold back on your writing.
22:04<qwk>pfsense_rookie, have u connected to the pad?
22:04<abrotman>pfsense_rookie: I don't want to have to keep correcting you, I'll just ignore the conversation
22:04<pfsense_rookie>abrotman, qwk will thank you then.
22:05<abrotman>Doubtful
22:05<pfsense_rookie>qwk, what shell are you using?
22:05<qwk>how do I check that?
22:05<pfsense_rookie>qwk, what OS are you running?
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22:06<qwk>wheezy
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22:09<jmcnaught>pfsense_rookie: qwk: when bash starts an interactive shell that isn't a login shell, runs both /etc/bash.bashrc *and* ~/.bashrc (which is copied from /etc/skel/.bashrc when new users are created). See bash(1) section on INVOCATION for the details
22:09<pfsense_rookie>qwk, ok, I believe I am overlooking a few things that I am not also being told about. What is the purpose of this new user if you don't mind the question?
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22:12<pfsense_rookie>Ok, then.
22:13<qwk>Im trying to delete the user and make a new one
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22:13<abrotman>All this for FTP? :)
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22:14<pfsense_rookie>qwk, so I believe jcnaught is suggesting to copy .bashrc from /etc/skel/.bashrc instead. Do "cp /etc/skel/.bashrc /home/jrat/.bashrc"
22:14<abrotman>I said that .. jmcnaught must be wrong too ...
22:14<qwk>abrotman, the FTP was working fine, I had to add a line
22:15<qwk>root
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22:15<abrotman>qwk: you're allowing the 'root' user to FTP into your system?
22:16<pfsense_rookie>qwk, if this user is just destined for FTP why do you need the amenities of the command line all the time? This issue was easily circumventable with a few more commands on demand.
22:17<qwk>the ftpuser jrat have /var/www as default
22:17<abrotman>qwk: why are you using ftp instead of ftps/sftp ?
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22:17<pfsense_rookie>qwk, also Debian usually refers to the vsftpd for ftp servers.
22:18<qwk>yea, but I did some reasearch and pureftpd seem to be more secure
22:18<abrotman>qwk: why are you using ftp instead of ftps/sftp ?
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22:19<qwk>vsftpd got 12 CVE entries and PureFTPD 4 and ProFTPD 40
22:19<qwk>Im using sftpd now
22:19<abrotman>You need to measure the severity of teh CVE .. not just the quantity
22:20<qwk>yup
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22:21<qwk>i also generated a 16 k rsa key
22:21<pfsense_rookie>oh...
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22:21<themill>(still should use sftp instead)
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22:22<qwk>sftp from sshd ?
22:22<themill>yes
22:22<pfsense_rookie>If you need so much security in order to use a 16K RSA key you should also take the time to chose the most adequate protocol.
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22:26<WangDang>Hi, I'm stuck in my lenny->squeeze upgrade of an amd64 server I'm pulling out of storage. Minimal upgrade went well. Kernel upgrade failed to upgrade to squeeze because of dependancies. Someone here pointed me to an archive of lenny-backports where there was a version of the squeeze kernel. Release notes say the next thing is to upgrade udev to sqz in order "to minimize the risk of other incompatibilities caused by using the old udev wit
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22:29<themill>WangDang: "because of dependencies" means nothing. We've been through this already.... real output from real commands in a pastebin, please.
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22:31<qwk>alright i removed jrat and create it again using useradd jrat
22:31<qwk>$ cp /etc/skel/.bashrc /home/jrat/.bashrc
22:31<qwk>cp: cannot create regular file `/home/jrat/.bashrc': No such file or directory
22:32<qwk>asd
22:32<abrotman>how are you creating users?
22:32<qwk>useradd jrat
22:33<abrotman>perhaps you should use 'adduser' like you're meant to
22:33<qwk>su
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22:36<qwk>ah, that did the work
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22:38<pfsense_rookie>qwk, start reading some manpages of the commands you use. useradd clearly states in the command line that adduser should be instead unless specific configurations are necessary.
22:39<montyboy>window 6
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22:57<WangDang>themill: Ok. Sorry, I recall you helping me, but I don't recall you asking for real output. This may take a moment while I try to remember how to cut and paste between screen terminales. I did almost everything inside of script so just a matter of editting down the session and figuring out how to paste it. What output would be the most useful to you?
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23:07<jmcnaught>WangDang: generally what's useful for others to see is the exact command you tried and the complete output. If there's a specific step that fails with an error message, that would be helpful to see. You could check if "pastebinit" is available to install (not sure if it was in Lenny).
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23:15<WangDang>jmcnaught: Hi, OK, thanks. That's roughly where I was going. Thanks for the pastebinit suggestion. It's not available on the system. Nor are noposte nor wgetpaste
23:15<WangDang>s/no
23:15<WangDang>s/noposte/nopaste/
23:17<jmcnaught>WangDang: hmmm.. i suppose you could use the "script" command to capture output to a file if that makes it easier
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23:26<WangDang>OK, thanks. I'll figure something out
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23:45<themill>WangDang: I hope you're following the release notes -- you can just show us which command from that sequence fails and its output.
23:45<themill>dpkg: tell WangDang about bat
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