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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-09-05

---Logopened Fri Sep 05 00:00:18 2014
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00:18<debi1>where should i ask question about iceweasel build configuration?
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02:22<RODRIKETU>bom dia a todos
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02:50<shawn>hello
02:50<shawn>hello
02:50<shawn>i am trying to do this: https://wiki.debian.org/EFIStub
02:51<shawn>my question is, my kernel and initrd are not named like that
02:52<shawn>they are suffixed with -3.2.0-4-amd64
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02:52<shawn>cp -u /vmlinuz /initrd /boot/efi/EFI/debian/
02:52<shawn>so this command will work?
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02:59<shawn>i got it
02:59<shawn>those are symlinks
02:59<shawn>:P
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03:06<helmut_>hi
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05:13<infodto>hola
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05:19<peter1138>...
05:19<peter1138>so using a fresh install of wheezy with gnome 3... every time i get an alert notification, my media player (any) is muted by pulseaudio :S
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05:21<sam_>hi
05:22<sam_>199
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05:41<Celelibi>It has been an issue for billions of people around the world for centuries.
05:42<Celelibi>Is there today a way to apt-get install a package into a user directory?
05:44<Celelibi>Think about the students in the computer rooms. Think about the shared clusters, the computer grids... We all need to install some packages in our home from time to time.
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05:47<yongshunz>#clear
05:48<petn-randall>Celelibi: No, apt has a very specific job, and your use case does not cover it.
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05:49<Celelibi>So, maybe another tool based on dpkg exists.
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05:50<petn-randall>Celelibi: If the admin of the machine wants simple users to install software, there are plenty of ways doing so. But from the security perspective alone it doesn't make sense if a simple user could overwrite the binaries from an application.
05:51<Celelibi>As I said, I was talking about installing a package in the user's home directory.
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05:52<petn-randall>Celelibi: You already got an answer to that.
05:52<Thomas_>Hello
05:52<Celelibi>Yeah, apt doesn't do it.
05:52<Celelibi>It's a non-answer.
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05:53<babilen>Celelibi: It is the answer to your question "Is there today a way to apt-get install a package into a user directory?"
05:53<babilen>Celelibi: Having realised that are you now looking for alternative ways to easy/manage installations in $HOME ?
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05:54<Celelibi>"apt-get install" was a mataphore for a command as simple to use.
05:54<ansgar>Celelibi: Gentoo can technically do that, but I heard it can also break in funny ways.
05:54<Celelibi>That handle dependancies and stuff.
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05:55<ansgar>Celelibi: "Gentoo prefix" would be the keyword. But I would expect you have to deal with fixing stuff.
05:56<ncl>make a new standard for ~/bin and ~/lib (or ~/.bin and ~/.lib) and then have user-installed programs and libraries go there
05:56<Celelibi>I heared that NixOS can deal with user installation by never removing old versions of the files if they are still in use.
05:56*ncl already uses a ~/bin
05:56<babilen>Celelibi: I'm not aware of such a tool. You can, however, use the language specific "package managers", but these methods are very specific to the particular software you want to install.
05:56<Celelibi>I prefer to put everything inside ~/.local
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05:57<ncl>or ~/.local/bin and ~/.local/lib too
05:57<ncl>/shrug
05:58<Celelibi>Don't you think it would be nice that debian has a tool that can install softwares into a standard location (like ~/.local and debian would recommend this location and use it by default) and take care of the system-installed softwares.
05:58<arod>anybody from planet debian? I'm having an issue with my RSS reader (miniflux webapp). "[2014-09-05 11:55:02] XML error: Input is not proper UTF-8, indicate encoding ! Bytes: 0xF0 0x9F 0x99 0xC2". It worked for months so I was wondering if something changed serve side
05:59<Celelibi>And would fix the usual breakages like system-wide packages upgraded/removed.
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06:03<Celelibi>But, ok, I know the story. When a simple user has an idea it's the worth thing in the world. When a DD has it suddenly become an awesome improvement.
06:03<Celelibi>:)
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06:07<ncl>Celelibi: the idea has been around for a while, I think Ubuntu was planning on doing something like it about a year or two ago
06:08<Celelibi>s/worth/worse/
06:08<ansgar>ncl: In $HOME? Ubuntu has third party apps installed in /opt IIRC.
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06:09<ncl>ansgar: wasn't it one of the proposed features when they were announcing the statically-compiled packages
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06:15<babilen>Celelibi: Feel free to work on it. I am sure that other people would see a use for it, but it is *far* from trivial. I don't think that it is a bad idea, but I haven't had a strong need for a tool such as this in quite a while.
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06:16<Celelibi>As a recurring user of a computer grid, I often face this exact need.
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06:17<Celelibi>And compiling / installing by hand the softwares and libraries is always really annoying.
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06:17<Celelibi>Especially because I need to resolve the dependancies myself.
06:18<Celelibi>I sometime even find myself recompiling cmake...
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06:18<ansgar>You /can/ use apt/dpkg to install packages in home (i.e. with dpkg's --root). The harder part is to make packages work when they are installed there.
06:19<Celelibi>What's so hard about it?
06:19<Celelibi>There shouldn't be some hardcoded path.
06:19<ansgar>That is, many packages look for data in /usr/share/<package> which is decided at compile-time. But for installation in $HOME, it would need to use a path determined at runtime.
06:19<Celelibi>(I know some packages do this.)
06:20<ansgar>If you install development packages, you want the compiler and linker to look in the right directories too.
06:20<Celelibi>ok
06:20<Celelibi>Interesting.
06:20<ansgar>And then language runtimes, location for plugins, ...
06:20<Celelibi>LD_LIBRARY_PATH?
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06:21<ansgar>And then you could depend on host libraries. At least libc which has its own compability problems.
06:21<petn-randall>Celelibi: Then there's the issue that other programs running as the user can modify their installation, since there's no privilege separation.
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06:22<Celelibi>ansgar: that's the most annoying problem. But not so hard to prevent / fix.
06:22<ansgar>Celelibi: That's very hard to fix.
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06:24<Celelibi>You could prevent breakage by looking at what's installed in the user directories (I mean, with a fixed-location file in the HOME directories). And conversely, if you break something it shouldn't be that hard to fix by the user.
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06:25<Celelibi>apt already have all the mechanisms for that I think.
06:25<Celelibi>petn-randall: the same goes when you run something as root.
06:25<Celelibi>And it's not a problem.
06:27<Celelibi>If I had enough free time I would try to develop some apt-user.
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06:29<Celelibi>I must go.
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06:31<petn-randall>Celelibi: Most programs that get installed don't run as root.
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06:49<rjsalts>What're peoples opinions on the best solution for disconnected home directory/sync on a laptop?
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06:49<rjsalts>nfs over wan will probably be no good, coda is no longer maintained/incomplete
06:50<ansgar>rjsalts: I put the stuff I want on multiple computers into Git.
06:50<rjsalts>ansgar: git or git-annex?
06:51<ansgar>git. It's not large stuff.
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06:53<rjsalts>any experience with using unison to do the job?
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07:47<andreas>i'm trying to close port 111. i tried 'update-rc-d rpcbind remove' and 'service rpcbind stop', but after a while rpcbind is running again. is that not how i disable a service? i'm on testing btw.
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08:12<rjsalts>andreas: #debian-next is for testing, whether or not you've made the transition to systemd as default init might have some bearing on behaviour
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08:14<andreas>rjsalts: thanks, didn't know of the channel
08:14<uso>I want to set up a remote (encrypted) backup. I can attach an external USB drive to a remote computer (with debian) which is under shared administration (so not completely trusted). I thought about using the drive as a remote block device, encrypt the whole device and copy the data from my local backup with rsync to the remote device. As I have no experience with encryption of whole volumes and as there are maybe better solutions I'm looking for recommenda
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08:21<peter1138>hmm
08:22<rjsalts>uso: obnam seemed cool for encrypted remote backups
08:22<peter1138>Package: libmono-npgsql4.0-cil, Version: 2.10.8.1-8. How can it be, when the last release was 2.1.3 in April 2014?
08:22<peter1138>Hmm, I guess that's a mono version.
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08:25<uso>rjsalts: I do not need a backup solution as I'm already doing a local backup of my home network, it's more to backup the backup data at a remote location
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11:40<interrog>i need to modify a file in a .deb archive before installing, but when I modify it with Archive Manager and save, the changes never take, even if im in sudo. how do I force the modification of the file?
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11:53<petn-randall>interrog: Sounds like you're trying to do something the wrong way. What are you ultimately trying to achieve?
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11:56<interrog>petn-randall, trying to install evoluspencil, but firefox is listed as a dependency, im trying to change that to iceweasel, but i think i might have finally gotten it to work, im not gettin an error message anymore
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12:01<himanshu>Hello All
12:01<petn-randall>interrog: Ah, in that case you want to use 'dpkg-deb -x' and 'dpkg-deb -e' to extract the .deb and it's metadata, change it, and then make a new .deb with 'dpkg-deb -b'. Guess you found that out by yourself, though :)
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12:03<Name>hi
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12:04<Name>somebody here is alive?
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12:06<ratcheer>Name: Where?
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12:07<SynrGy>!ask
12:07<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:46<peter1138>hrmm, libvirtd won't start :(
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12:56<peter1138>maybe a reboot... :S
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12:56<GCS>Hi!
12:56<GCS>Any French here?
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12:56<centrx>!fr
12:56<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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13:35<AnAnt>Hello, for several libraries, when I run ./autogen.sh then ./configure I get the error: cannot find input file 'tests/Makefile.in', I wonder if there is a missing package on my system
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13:44<N0xc0n>What is HMAC?
13:46<N0xc0n>I have a exercise with a TMP-Chip
13:47<Plagman>https://gist.github.com/Plagman/cfd06fcd781fc3ca04c4
13:47<Plagman>do you guys know why this happens?
13:47<Plagman>udev is not aware of my uinput device at all until I try catting it
13:47<Plagman>but the node is very real
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13:49<Plagman>restarting the daemon, udevadm trigger, etc
13:49<Plagman>none of that fixes it
13:49<Plagman>but trying to "cat" the node consistently does
13:49<Plagman>really really confused
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13:51<N0xc0n>Any Crypto Professionals at this Server?
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13:54<ompaul>he got decrypted too quickly :)
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14:00<ompaul>PrintMotd no sN0xc0n HMAC is what ssh / ssl uses to send the first part of a conversation that is encrypted http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6649 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hash-based_message_authentication_code http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/45523/what-key-to-use-in-hmac https://support.ssh.com/manuals/server-admin/44/Ciphers_and_MACs.html should all be useful
14:00<ompaul>so there you go if he comes back some useful data
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14:06<kali-rao>hi
14:06<kali-rao>guys
14:06<kali-rao>how are u ??
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14:28<Pixionus>!ask
14:28<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:02<PHeanEX>Is there any convenient way to log sysvinit output from console to a file during shutdown/boot?
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15:04<canaima>sudo
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15:05<canaima>hola mi jente
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15:06<canaima>llllll
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15:09<daft>Hi, how does debian choice its default desktop environment e.q. KDE and xfce ..
15:10<daft>Im tinkering on a custom live usb using the Debian live project tooling
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15:12<centrx>daft, XFCE may be the default in Jessie because Gnome doesn't fit on CD #1
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15:12<centrx>daft, I think in general the least-antagonistic way to decide such questions is using popcon (http://popcon.debian.org/)
15:12<daft>I am not using the default cd
15:12<daft>make my own iso...
15:13<devil>daft: you probabloy want to talk in #debian-live
15:13<devil>-o
15:13<daft>does debian-live decide how to set the default desktop>??
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15:15<centrx>daft, It's not clear what you're asking. If you are making your own CD, you decide, right?
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15:17<ompaul>if the vocabulary lags behind the people you are talking to or is very much different to their expectation then, perhaps a difference vocabulary might be useful, adopting theirs if they are the ones that deal in the subject might be useful :)
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15:17<daft>I have an (live|) debian system with kde and xfce. xfce is picked as default.. how can i switch??
15:18<daft>/etc/X11/default-display-manager points to kdm..
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15:29<valdyn>daft: can you not select an x session in kdm as you can in gdm?
15:30<daft>valdyn, I expected that but it automaticly logs in
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15:30<valdyn>daft: that selection would be made before your log in
15:30<daft>im trying out some stuff if fail bug #debian-live
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15:42<T00RT00R>Well guys, i spent about 2-3 hours fighting the barracuda..the only thing that actually even started to boot properly was Debian Jessie.. which i was shocked by
15:42<T00RT00R>It froze at configuring the network...
15:43<T00RT00R>before that it popped up and said "microcode: no support for this CPU"
15:44<T00RT00R>debian-jessie-DI-b1-i386-netinst
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15:51<daft>ahaa /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager
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16:06<juegos>Hello all i just installed a fresh debian wheezy from the live CD icon. Do i have to run apt-get update and apt-upgrade before i continue?
16:08<centrx>juegos, Yes, in order to get updates, especially security updates, and you should do it from time to time thereafter
16:08<centrx>!security
16:08<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>.
16:09<juegos>thanks centrx is this the correct syntax? "sudo apt-get update && apt-dist upgrade"
16:09<juegos>oh
16:09<juegos>does it have to be aptitude?
16:09<centrx>apt-get is fine
16:09<centrx>apt-get dist-upgrade == aptitude full-upgrade
16:09<juegos>why doesn't the line "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" comes by default in the sources.list?
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16:13<Marillion>juegos: it is default, its much more instead as reminder
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16:14<juegos>Marillion, i have deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main in my sources.list
16:14<juegos>but it does not says main contrib non-free
16:15<juegos>do i have to add a new line or append it?
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16:15<Marillion>it doesn't matter new line or to append
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16:16<juegos>ok thanks
16:16<juegos>one more thing does /etc/sudoers have to be modified only with visudo? or is it ok to modify it with mousepad?
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16:18<Marillion>visudo is recommend
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16:19<Marillion>mousepad is MS crap
16:19<juegos>okay
16:19<juegos>i did "juegos ALL=(ALL) ALL"
16:20<juegos>under %sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
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16:20<Marillion>is stupid
16:20<juegos>mousepad?
16:20<Marillion>its the same root without password
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16:22<juegos>care to explain please?
16:22<Marillion>what should i do to explain
16:23<juegos>why is it stupid and the other sentence
16:23<weasel>visudo actually does a syntax check before replacing your /etc/sudoers.
16:23<Marillion>sudo without password is stupid
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16:24<juegos>now my sudo has a password
16:24<juegos>did i do something wrong?
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16:29<daft>Whoooww... you can set your x-default-manager in the linux boot argument ...
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16:32<T00RT00R>i use "nano /etc/sudoers"
16:32<T00RT00R>cause i despise vi...
16:33<captnfab>"EDITOR=nano visudo" seems less dangerous
16:34<captnfab>since visudo performs syntactical checks on the sudoers file
16:34<koollman>visudo does not uses EDITOR, iirc. it does however use /usr/bin/editor on debian
16:34<koollman>so ... update-alternatives :)
16:34<captnfab>it does, I just checked
16:34<captnfab>EDITOR is a user-wise way to override /u/b/editor
16:34<daft> update-alternatives --set /bin/nano
16:35<daft> update-alternatives --set /editor bin/nano
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16:35<juegos>is there a manual that explain all that in a examples oriented way?
16:36<captnfab>man sudoers has examples
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16:36<captnfab>you just have to find them :-°
16:36<captnfab>they're actually quite explicit and usefull
16:36<koollman>man sudoers is quite awful :)
16:37<daft>what kind of example do you need i got some ..
16:37<daft>sudo with password . some sudo with out password .. all with out...
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16:38<captnfab>koollman: well, so is man bash, until you read it…
16:38<captnfab>I'd say s/awful/tough/ :)
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16:38<koollman>when a man starts with "Quick guide to EBNF", you know it will not be easy to follow :)
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16:39<Marillion>juegos: all fine, but you would read http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#securing
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16:41<captnfab>koollman: indeed, but you don't have to read that to find and understand the examples
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16:42<juegos>well i meant a full from scratch manual
16:42<Marillion>that is
16:42<juegos>i see people understanding pieces so specific that i don't get how they ever learn that
16:42<captnfab>:)
16:42<juegos>but i cannot learn from manuals that just lists the commands and gives a brief explanation
16:42<juegos>i'm not that smart
16:42<juegos>i need examples step by step :P
16:43<captnfab>I'm sure you can
16:43<koollman>juegos: what do you want to learn ? how do you want to learn ?
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16:43<captnfab>manuals + tests + errors -> knowledge + skill
16:43<captnfab>:)
16:43<juegos>i am interested in security
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16:43<juegos>about creating a safe box in a computer
16:43<juegos>just for fun
16:43<Marillion>juegos: read that and you will find out
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16:44<juegos>i've read the outputs of netstat among others and ended up lost
16:44<juegos>okay
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16:46<juegos>my isp is throttling the connection, redirecting packages not allowing namebench to work
16:46<juegos>amongst other things like an awful service
16:47<juegos>even thought (for the price) it is a scam, i take it as a game and try to bypass them
16:47<juegos>or triying to make the station explode by doing telnet to a local ip
16:48<juegos>and waiting for magic to happen ;)
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16:48<qwk>I'm a big fan of debian but i like pac-man more than apt-get? Why cant apt-get be as good as pacman?
16:49<koollman>qwk: what is good about pacman ?
16:49<captnfab>looks like it's friday
16:50<devil>it is.
16:50<captnfab>yeah…
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16:53<juegos>friday night is debian night
16:53<juegos>install all packages and configure it
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16:55<juegos>if debian wants :P
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16:58<qwk>koollman, u can upgrade kernel, and also download latest version from community
16:59<koollman>qwk: hmm ... so, it's more about the package list and choices than the tool
17:00<koollman>this would be solved by adding other apt sources
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17:21<LinuxFreakD>Just installed nvidia drivers and resolution seems to be 1920x1080 which is great but all my text and windows are displaying like it's 800x600 resolution. Webpages appear normal while the browser itself looks weird. I believe it's probably just a setting somewhere I need to change, not sure where. Running openbox. Going to go look around but if anyone knows off the top of their head what the issue is holler it out please.
17:22<devil>LinuxFreakD: I would check dpi, no idea how openbox handles that
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17:23<LinuxFreakD>ok thanks, I'll do a google search. Sounds like you may be onto something. DPI is something I think might cause this. Thanks
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17:26<LinuxFreakD>Found how to change the DPI. Going to do that and do some reboots. Thanks again devil
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17:26<devil>LinuxFreakD: you need to find the right value as well
17:27<juegos>i did add "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" to sources.list and now it tells me it's a duplicated entry
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17:27<juegos>but i have no other occurences of "contrib" and "non-free" in the file
17:27<devil>LinuxFreakD: https://www.sven.de/dpi/
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17:30<pi>help
17:30<juegos>I get "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)" but i have not opened synaptic or anything but xchat, iceweasel and terminal. Is it safe to remove the lock file?
17:31<LinuxFreakD>devil: Cool website. Figured out what DPI I need. Thanks. Also bookmarked it.
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17:33<devil>juegos: are you root?
17:33<devil>pi: !ask
17:33<juegos>i did add myself to the sudoers
17:33<devil>that was not the question
17:34<juegos>i feel ashamed i forgot to add sudo again after &&
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17:34<juegos>ithought it was not neccesary after the first sudo
17:34<devil>it is not needed
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17:34<juegos>i ran first sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, devil
17:35<devil>well, I guess it is not. i never use sudo
17:35<juegos>what do you use instead?
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17:35<devil>a regular root with su
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17:36<devil>gotta run
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17:42<LinuxFreakD>devil: thanks, that dpi stuff did the trick
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17:46<LinuxFreakD>devil: also found another nice DPI calculator pxcalc.com
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18:11<mikeyy>holy shit
18:11<mikeyy>didn't expect this many people here
18:11<mikeyy>Hello all.
18:12<juegos>if i run aptitude upgrade do i have to use aptitude forever? or can i work with apt-get too
18:12<mikeyy>you can use either or
18:12<juegos>apt is having a too slow connection on all mirrors
18:12<juegos>doesn't go above 30kb/s
18:13<mikeyy>install netselect-apt
18:13<mikeyy>run that, and copy new sources.list to /etc
18:13<juegos>okay
18:13<mikeyy>(it speed tests local mirrors, gives you the fastest one)..
18:14<mikeyy>(I think?)
18:14<Brigo>juegos, you can use both, no problem there.
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18:14<mikeyy>(seemed to work well for me, I was only getting 100k/sec, it found one that goes closer to 1mb
18:14<juegos>the default speed test from synaptic choses servers with time above 1.5
18:14<juegos>great thanks Brigo
18:15<juegos>do you recommend running the upgrade with aptitude or using netselect-apt?
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18:15<Brigo>juegos, netselect-apt is for finding the faster server
18:16<juegos>yes
18:16<juegos>i meant apt-get
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18:17<Brigo>juegos, they are not really diferent upgrading. Choose like you want.
18:17<juegos>thakns
18:17<juegos>thanks*
18:17<Brigo>juegos, np :)
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18:18<mikeyy>exit
18:18<mikeyy>exit
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18:18<babilen>juegos: My recommendation would be to use a metamirror such as http.debian.net rather than entselect-apt that will only perform a single measurement.
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18:19<juegos>i did try that babilen but it is still slow
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18:20<juegos>netselect replaces sources.list without prompt right?
18:20<babilen>Are you sure that you would be able to download faster from different mirrors? You could try some in your cuntries' rotation (i.e. ftp.CC.debian.org -- ftp.de.debian.org, ftp.uk.debian.org, ftp.tw.debian.org, ...)
18:20<bernatux>buenas noches ;)
18:20<juegos>hola bernatux
18:21<juegos>i have tried both http and ftp babilen from my country
18:21<babilen>juegos: I haven't used netselect-apt in years, but IIRC it can both output a sources list in CWD or replace your currently used one in place.
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18:21<bernatux>juegos, ingles 0
18:22<juegos>avisame si necesitas algo entonces
18:22<Brigo>!es
18:22<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
18:22<bernatux>ok gracias
18:22<juegos>thanks Brigo
18:22<babilen>juegos: So it is "slow" with all three? (that is http.debian.net, ftp://ftp.YOURCOUNTRY.debian.oand http://http.debian.net ? Which country is that?
18:22<Brigo>juegos, i am spanish :)
18:22<juegos>argentina babilen
18:23<juegos>hoztiaz!
18:23<bernatux>voy a debian-es
18:23<babilen>Brigo: That's okay, it happens to the best of us
18:23<bernatux>saludos desde españa
18:23<bernatux>;-)
18:23<babilen>bernatux: Please take it to #debian-es (or an offtopic channel)
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18:23<juegos>i tried with main server, server from the united states, a ftp server from my country and several servers chosen with synaptic's speed test
18:23<juegos>tried the http.debian.net tool
18:24<babilen>tool?
18:24<juegos>and netselect-apt not working. Will try aptitude
18:24<juegos>not working i mean it is still slow
18:24<babilen>aptitude and apt-get use the same transport, it is unlikely that one is faster than the other
18:24<juegos>arghh
18:24<juegos>it broke my heart
18:24<babilen>I don't follow, how did that happen?
18:25<juegos>what exactly babilen
18:25<babilen>That something broke your heart
18:25<babilen>Are you sure that your internet connection is actually fast enough to sustain more than the speed you are currently seeing?
18:25<juegos>ahh, i was thinking that aptitude would make it magically
18:25<juegos>can you ask me that in civilian language?
18:26<juegos>mirror: ftp.us.debian.org - time: 4.6312661171
18:26<juegos>mirror: ftp-nyc.osuosl.org - time: 5.05785298347
18:26<juegos>mirror: ftp.ccc.uba.ar - time: 5.34628295898
18:26<juegos>mirror: mirror.ox.ac.uk - time: 8.47951507568
18:26<juegos>and the winner is: ftp.us.debian.org
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18:26<juegos>sorry
18:27<juegos>this is the link http://pastebin.com/5wMfEF5y
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18:27<Marillion>juegos: what did you misunderstand of last line?
18:27<Marillion>and the winner is: ftp.us.debian.org
18:27<babilen>What kind of download speed do you see if you run "wget http://dumps.wikimedia.org/enwiki/20140811/enwiki-20140811-pages-articles-multistream.xml.bz2" ?
18:28<juegos>in lmde it runs at 100kb/s, here ti runs under 30 kb/s
18:28<juegos>it starts normally then it drops down to 30
18:29<juegos>30 kb /s
18:29<juegos>but in the other distro I download with wget at normal speed
18:32<Marillion>you speak in riddle
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18:34*devil can't see no riddle
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18:35<Marillion>devil: you didn't see anything
18:35<babilen>Well, this would have been the time were I had started to take a look at the NIC/wireless adapter configuration, but meh.
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18:35<devil>Marillion: whatever you say.
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18:40<juegos>i tried with google dns but it is still at 30kb/s
18:40<juegos>will try rebooting brb
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18:48<grey>hi
18:48<grey>can anyone hear me?
18:48<pfsense_rookie>grey, hello.
18:49<grey>hello
18:49<grey>it was nice to meet you
18:49<grey>q
18:49<grey>quit
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18:58<WangDang>Just upgraded a box to wheezy from squeeze from lenny. I had to run upgrade-from-grub-legacy to get grub2. Doesn't boot anymore. I get GRUB Loading stage1.5, then GRUB loading, please wait... then Error 15. Searching the web it is apparently a "file not found" error from grub legacy. I shouldn't have legacy anymore. I tested by chaining grub2 from grub-legacy before running upgrade-from-grub-legacy. Any got any ideas what is going on?
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19:16<centrx>WangDang, What does Error 15 mean?
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19:21<WangDang>apparently, file not found
19:21<Marillion>can't find the kernel-image, i believe /dev/* has changed
19:22<WangDang>I think it can't find the next stage in the bootloader process, before even looking for the kernel
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19:26<Marillion>WangDang: i'm not really sure, because i must looking in the document, but next stage is to read the menu file
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19:27<Marillion>i guess
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19:33<Marillion>WangDang: run of your upgraded system any important services?
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19:34<Marillion>not now, but in the past?
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19:43<Marillion>WangDang: if not, that is easier to reinstall wheezy, or use a live-CD system to bind mount necessary system and try reinstall grub
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19:48<T00RT00R>ah wang, did you get a new mouse?
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19:59<shirish>when doing something like this # tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log
19:59<shirish>CTRL+C is the only way to shut down/terminate the command or is there something else ?
20:00<Marillion>shirish: no, you can kill that
20:00<Marillion>th process
20:00<Marillion>the even
20:01<shirish>Marillion: I get that, I was thinking of a way of a way of it (tail) gracefully quitting after showing the content.
20:02<themill>shirish: don't use -f then
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20:11<Marillion>shirish: -f is a kind of a notify funktion when you like displaying any messages to see live (i hope you understand my bad english)
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20:12<WangDang>Marillion: don't understand your question "run of your upgraded system any important services". Can you rephrase that question?
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20:13<WangDang>TOORTOOR: Hi, yes I did. Played around with a wired mouse for a while with no squirrelly behaviour, so I laid down the cash. Everything is hunkydory now
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20:16<Marillion>WangDang: the system that has a broken grub, run before any important services, better?
20:17<WangDang>well, it's a file server, and will soon be a print server. Is that what you meant?
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20:17<Marillion>yes
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20:23<Marillion>WangDang: the data of your file server how much is it?
20:26<Marillion>WangDang: i mean, speaking we are of Giga, Tera or Peta byte area?
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20:30<Marillion>WangDang: i have NOT endless enough time, a couple of minutes must go
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20:32<Marillion>WangDang: ok, short answer, safe the data and /etc and reinstall wheezy and reconfigure your new system
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20:43<juegos>Hi again, i am having a 30kb/s download rate when my bandwidth is 100kb/s. Where should i start looking for problems like this?
20:44<pfsense_rookie>Does anyone else think that juegos' problem is an actual problem?
20:45<juegos>it is a problem pfsense_rookie, maybe you want to ask if it is correct for this channel
20:46<juegos>since i am running debian i thought i could find help here on the community, but feel free to point me to the correct channel pfsense_rookie
20:46<pfsense_rookie>No, what I mean is that this difference is meaningless for such amount of data and speeds.
20:47<juegos>70 kb/s difference is a big difference to me
20:47<pfsense_rookie>What's the contract with your ISP?
20:47<pfsense_rookie>The speeds, I mean.
20:48<juegos>512 ethernet
20:48<juegos>512 k bits/s i think it is
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20:52<pfsense_rookie>juegos, you worry too much. Just connect to the US server. If I recall correctly, that was the one that was best suited to you.
20:52<pfsense_rookie>Unless you plan on administrating a few tens of machines you are wasting your time in my opinion.
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20:52<juegos>thanks pfsense_rookie but all of them starts at 100 kb/s and then drops down under 30
20:53<juegos>it takes like hours to upgrade at that speed
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20:54<juegos>i will have to be patient thanks again
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20:55<pfsense_rookie>juegos, you should really look to get a better connection from the ISP if you can or download large ISOs on another network.
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20:55<juegos>the iso was downloaded at a 100kb/s speed (through torrent )
20:55<juegos>and there's no calling the ISP here
20:56<juegos>but thanks for the advis
20:56<juegos>can a vpn allow me to use my full bandwith?
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20:57<pfsense_rookie>juegos, no. A VPN will connect to the remote network at the speed of your network. The only issue is when the remote network is slower, which means your Downloads/Uploads will be slower.
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20:58<juegos>ah
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21:11<euphoria>what's the easiest way to encrypt a live debian system?
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21:15<abrotman>reboot it?
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21:23<juegos>do i have to run grub-update after upgrade?
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21:23<juegos>after dist upgrade i mean
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21:36<nico>deeeeeeeeeebiannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
21:36<pfsense_rookie>nico, that's the spirit!
21:37<nico>:P
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21:45<Guest1594>help me (32)not authorized networking
21:45<sney>!ubuntuirc Guest1594
21:45<dpkg>Guest1594: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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21:47<Guest1594>thank you
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22:43<altr3x>ola
22:44<altr3x>alguien sabe programaren python
22:44<altr3x>yo se poco
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22:44<altr3x>se crear gui y en la terminal
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22:44<altr3x>mi sistema operativo es debian 7
22:45<centrx>!es
22:45<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
22:45<centrx>Also maybe #python on Freenode
22:45<altr3x>y se lo basico de html ,php ,c# tengo 11 años porsiakaso
22:45<altr3x>xdd
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22:49<Darexon>hi
22:49<centrx>!hi
22:49<dpkg>hello, centrx
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22:53<HP_>I have upgraded Debian stable to testing in my HP ProBook 450 G1 with ATI Radeon HD 8700 2Gb graphics. Now I cannot boot in
22:55<jmcnaught>HP_: hello. Debian Testing support is in #debian-next :)
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22:58<HP_>@jmcnaught, thanks
23:00<_flip>what are you trying to encrypt?
23:01<_flip>i need to learn to scroll down
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