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02:57<shawn>hello. I wrote a better script for this wiki page ( https://wiki.debian.org/EFIStub ) with some "checks" in it: http://flymal.asia/~shawn/zz-update-efistub
02:58<shawn>i'm a noob so i would apreciate if someone could proof it for me
02:58<shawn>xD
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02:59<shawn>it works afaict but maybe there is some way it could fail and then do behavior not intended
02:59<captnfab>shawn: your script wouldn't work on my machine because of your greps
02:59<captnfab>(Yes vs yes)
03:00<shawn>oh good eye
03:00<shawn>-i is in order
03:00<captnfab>also, they don't handle spaces vs double space
03:00<captnfab>so, you'll have to go back using a regexp instead of a simple chain
03:00<captnfab>:)
03:01<captnfab>s/chain/string/
03:01<shawn>yep because that file can work if it had do_symlinks=yes or do_symlinks = yes
03:01<shawn>correct?
03:01<shawn>amount of whitespace doesnt matter
03:01<shawn>or lackthereof
03:03<captnfab>it doesn't matter for the file
03:03<captnfab>but it matters for your grep command :)
03:03<shawn>my idea is there should be a second uefi entry with the vmlinuz.old initrd.img.old as a fallback
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03:04<captnfab>I see you're using rsync in your script, it's a "Priority: optional" package
03:04<captnfab>so you shouldn't assume the user has it installed
03:04<shawn>i can change it to cp -u
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03:06<captnfab>so that would give you cp -Lu
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03:23<shawn>captnfab: ok fixed
03:24<shawn>jeez my mouse just died
03:24<captnfab>ok, so your script seems sound :)
03:25<captnfab>are you using ratpoison wm?
03:25<captnfab>0:-)
03:25<shawn>L in rsync means turn links into their referent files. is that what --dereference means?
03:26<captnfab>yep
03:26<shawn>because cp seems to cp the referent files by defaultr
03:26<captnfab>really ?
03:26<shawn>yeah try it
03:26<captnfab>oh, you're right
03:26<shawn>well i wonder if all versions of cp do that
03:27<captnfab>adding -L won't harm :)
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03:28<captnfab>can you upload the new version of your script somewhere ?
03:28<shawn>its the place i already posted
03:28<captnfab>ok
03:28<shawn>i just overwrote it
03:29<shawn>i'm going to send an email to the guy who made the stub efi wiki page and see if he likes it
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03:30<shawn>i dont know any wiki etiquette other than that :P
03:30<captnfab>forgot an «s», it's do_symlinks not do_symlink
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03:30<shawn>oh i should test the script after hacking it up huh ;)
03:31<captnfab>hehe, yeah :)
03:31<shawn>fixed.. but going to test it real fast
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03:32<captnfab>ok, seems to me like it's a nice improvement of the actual one
03:32<captnfab>s/actual/current/
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03:33<captnfab>maybe there's a more elegant way to guess distro's release name
03:34<shawn>well it only will matter on peoples systems who are dual booting more than one copy of debian or ubuntu
03:34<captnfab>a week ago I'd have said lsb_release -i, but since lsb seems to be about being deprecated, I'm not sure what to use anymore
03:34<shawn>its just an arbitrary directory name
03:34<captnfab>ok
03:34<captnfab>yeah, I see
03:35<shawn>if i had debian stable and unstable dual boot it would be up to me to make a folder for each and seperate uefi entries for all
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03:35<captnfab>anyway, try to contact the author, and if you get no answer, you can edit the wiki yourself (it's a wiki after all…)
03:35<shawn>debian and debian-sid
03:35<shawn>for example
03:35<captnfab>yeah, I see
03:36<captnfab>lsb_release -c would give you the codename
03:36<captnfab>gotta go, bye :)
03:36<shawn>ok have fun
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03:44<heurion>hii
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03:48<heurion>hii
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04:01<shawn>Hii
04:01<shawn>xD
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05:13<BorderlineJP17>Hi. sorry, my english is so bad.. but.. i need help.. i have samba configure whit centrify and joining AD
05:14<BorderlineJP17>i have a passport USB 1TB, need share mi mount disk. i see, i join in to share folder, but, not have permision rwx
05:14<BorderlineJP17>http://paste.ubuntu.com/8268244/
05:15<BorderlineJP17>i need this server for FileServer and BackUps in to system windows :(
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08:14<slipshot>I have an nvidia gtx 750 ti. I am having issues with screen tearing in videos, games, and anything flash related such as youtube.
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08:14<slipshot>does anyone know what could be causing this screen tearing?
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09:13<Guest1621>hello,got a nokia n9 and would share my notebook's connection to this phone by usb cable
09:13<Guest1621>got no wifi
09:14<Guest1621>help me please
09:16<ratcheer>No wifi on the phone or the notebook?
09:18<Guest1621>on the notebook
09:18<Guest1621>reverse tethering is a possibility?
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09:21<ratcheer>Guest1621: I wouldn't know.
09:22<ratcheer>Guest1621: So, you have Debian and need to establish a wireless connection?
09:23<Guest1621>got a debian with wired and would use my nokia n9 through my notebook
09:23<Guest1621>by usb
09:25<ratcheer>Guest1621: Sorry, I don't know anything about that stuff
09:25<Guest1621>thank you
09:25<ratcheer>Guest1621: Maybe someone else will try to help
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09:33<slipshot>does anyone have issues with screen tearing with nvidia drivers?
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09:54<qwk>Hi, how do I move like /var/www/ and all files inside it to /var/www/directory
09:55<weasel>cd /var/ww
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09:55<weasel>cd /var/www
09:55<weasel>mkdir directory
09:55<weasel>mv * directory
09:56<quitte>Hi. I have a problem with nfs on a jessie system installed yesterday. there are some files and directories that are uncopieable. cp will tell me "getötet" (killed) and this is what I get in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/CXMd9Dp7
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09:56<weasel>(doesn't take care of dotfiles, doesn't take care of permissions. there are cleaner ways, but this is usually the one that's most straight forward and works reasonably well)
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09:58<qwk>okay, thanks
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10:02<Brigo>quitte, it looks like a code bug.
10:02<quitte_>Brigo: i just got disconnected. did you say something else?
10:02<quitte_>Brigo: what code are you referring to?
10:03<Brigo>no, just it. :)
10:03<Brigo>quitte, Not sure, the kernel module i think.
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10:05<quitte_>there is a bind mount involved,too.
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10:08<Brigo>quitte, i think you should report the bug against nfs-kernel-server package
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10:09<quitte_>Brigo: I pasted from the client. do you think this is an issue with the server?
10:09<Brigo>no, if you paste from the client it is a client issue.
10:10<Brigo>report bug against the client, then.
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10:18<prahal>hi, I fail to get my client debian pc accept the icmp redirect from my ISP router for the second internal network (ping shows icmp redirects from isp router to the second network gateway but no change happens in the cache of the routes
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10:19<prahal>that is "netstat -rC" or "ip r l cache"
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10:26<prahal>are both empty after "ping <my second network box>" (this on print "sometimes" "<gateway of isp router> Redirect Host(New nexthop: <gw of second network>") while "# ip route get <my second network box>" prints "<my second network box> via <my second network gateway> dev wlan0 src <my current box>\n cache" or same ending with "\n cache <redirected>"
10:27<prahal>I have tried secure_redirects as 2 instead of 1 (seems 2 is disable conditions) for my interfaces, I have accept_redirects on all interfaces as per defaults
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10:56<prahal>nvm I found a workaround : 'echo -1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/route/redirect_silence' from https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=866443 <- ip route/netstat still show cache as empty but traceroute , ping all exhibit expected behaviour (that is redirect is applied and the isp router is "bypassed"
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11:57<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to use an SD card that is used with an Android phone directly on my laptop's SD slot? It's not the kind of filesystem I expected.
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11:59<sney>usually android sd cards are vfat so they can be used to transfer stuff from computers
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11:59<sney>if it's not then that's weird but the filesystem is likely supported anyway through fuse
12:00<EmleyMoor>Not vfat.
12:00<EmleyMoor>How can I find support for it?
12:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: this is not different than any linux filesystem
12:01<EmleyMoor>valdyn: But I can't even tell what it is
12:01<valdyn>EmleyMoor: have you tried file?
12:01<EmleyMoor>"sticky block special"
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12:03<valdyn>EmleyMoor: try "file -s foo"
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12:04<EmleyMoor>"sticky x86 boot sector, code offset 0x76"
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12:05<valdyn>EmleyMoor: that card is not partitioned?
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12:06<EmleyMoor>That *is* the partition. The card itself is: "sticky x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0x7, starthead 10, startsector 32768, 123828224 sectors, extended partition table (last)\011, code offset 0x0
12:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 671] by debhelper
12:07<EmleyMoor>mount thinks the fstype is "exfat", btw
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12:08<valdyn>EmleyMoor: so it probably is...
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12:11<EmleyMoor>Ah, that's got it
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12:15<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... any way to automate the mounting of this?
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12:26<ceibal>Hola
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12:33<iobound>after a recent dist-upgrade on debian sid, gdm3 just shows a grey/blue solid color and sits there on boot. nothing except the solid color. any hints?
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12:39<centrx>iobound, Check bugs.debian.org/gdm3 ? Switch to a different DM?
12:39<iobound>ok, any tips on a nice lightweight dm that also supports autologin-on-boot?
12:40<iobound>i'll try lightdm
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12:47<iobound>well, lightdm shows a login box, but when I try to login it just flickers and returns to the DM
12:52<iobound>in the systemd journalctl i see:
12:52<iobound>systemd[]: pam_ck_connector(systemd-user:session): cannot determine display-device
12:52<iobound>systemd[]: Failed to open private bus connection: Failed to connect to socket /run/user/1000/dbus/user_bus_socket: No such file or directory
12:53<iobound>console-kit-daemon[]: GLib-CRITICAL **: g_slice_set_config: assertion 'sys_page_size == 0' failed
12:53<iobound>lightdm[]: pam_unix: session closed for user (xxx)
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12:54<centrx>Looks like it would be one of the first two lines
12:54<iobound>hm yeah
12:54<iobound>this systemd stuff is just breaking absolutely everything on this system :-/
12:55<centrx>I'm not upgrading/switching yet. wait and see
12:55<iobound>hehe too late here, it snuck in on a dist-upgrade
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12:58<centrx>iobound, Also try asking in #debian-next
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13:00<iobound>thanks!
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13:06<cwink>Hello. I'm doing an install of debian and ran into an issue. I have a previous partition with data I don't want to format. The partition section of the install (on the help screen) states that you can choose to not format a partition; however, the problem is I can't seem to find the item that allows me to have this option. I'd like to make the partition my home partition and not format it.
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13:25<safinaskar-i>today iceweasel shows me firefox logo on the home page?
13:25<safinaskar-i>is it ok? or this is some bug which should be fixed?
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13:28<biertrinkervomdienst>ehlo
13:29<safinaskar-i>biertrinkervomdienst: hi
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13:33<cwink>so I take it that the help documentation may be mistaken about keeping patition data?
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13:42<adema>cwink, it is possible, you have to choose the partition and give it a mount point
13:43<adema>i have to do it "manually"
13:43<cwink>It won't let me give it amount point unless
13:43<cwink>I select an partition type
13:43<cwink>in which case it marks if "f" for format
13:43<adema>yes you have to select a partition type
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13:44<adema>you have to select the "Manal" partitioning method of course
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13:45<cwink>ohhh
13:45<cwink>now I feel stupid. Thanks!
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14:01<frankgrimes>Hello all
14:02<retrospectacus>whatsup Grimey
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14:02<frankgrimes>Not much, retrospectacus
14:02<frankgrimes>How's it going?
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14:03<retrospectacus>great. Do you have a Debian support question?
14:04<frankgrimes>Actually, I do.
14:04<frankgrimes>I've purged my system of vim and related packages, and now I've lost vi. I would like to get it back
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14:10<Marillion>frankgrimes: whats a pitty, i believe you must buy a new system, or install it again
14:11<frankgrimes>Really? That's very surprising
14:11<weasel>apt-get install vim?
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14:12<frankgrimes>weasel, the thing is when I have vim installed in debian, I can't run vi, only vim
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14:12<weasel>vim should provide a vi.
14:13<somiaj>frankgrimes: how did you install vim? it hshould have set up a link using the laternative system for /usr/bin/vi so it can be run with vi
14:13<weasel>install vim, check if you have a /usr/bin/vi, it should be a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi.
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14:13<frankgrimes>I'll do that, hold on.
14:13<somiaj>seems it is created by the post install script of the package, not sure which one though.
14:14<flips^>huh, I have my own /dev/md/foo device, it's now recognized as two other devices instead, md124 has one side of the raid1 mirror, md127 has the other side (they're both listed as degraded ...
14:15<valdyn>flips^: compare the uuids
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14:16<frankgrimes>weasel, you were right. /usr/bin/vi is a symlink to /etc/alternatives/vi
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14:16<flips^>valdyn: not the same ...
14:16<WangDang>Had problems yesterday with an upgrade from grub-legacy to grub. Got this error "GRUB Loading stage1.5\n GRUB loading, please wait... \n Error 15." I used rescue mode on the netinst CD to uninstall grub and reinstall grub-legacy, then reinstalled grub-legacy to the MBR and ran update-grub. System boots up just fine now. Anyone ever heard of a grub update failing in this way? I ran update-from-grub-legacy only after having verified that grub2 would work by
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14:17<flips^>valdyn: I know which device has the correct info, but how can I nuke the other and re-include it
14:17<valdyn>flips^: mdadm --stop /dev/mdxz
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14:18<frankgrimes>When I type "vi --version" I get "VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 (2010 Aug 15, compiled Feb 10 2013 02:28:47)..."
14:18<valdyn>flips^: then mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdxy
14:18<valdyn>flips^: then just mdadm --add /dev/sda1 /dev/md127
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14:18<WangDang>frankgrimes: vi as such, doesn't exist. A vi-like editor can be had by installing vim or nvi etc
14:18<flips^>this is the /boot on an md, should fstab mount using the UUID of the MD device?
14:19<flips^>or just the /dev/sda1 uuid?
14:19<valdyn>flips^: the md device
14:19<WangDang>so vi will always be a simlink to someother vi-like editor
14:19<valdyn>flips^: or its uuid
14:19<valdyn>flips^: bringing up the raid device is done by the initial ram disk
14:19<frankgrimes>WangDang: I see. In that case, I have a different question.
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14:20<frankgrimes>For some reason, I can't seem to use '+' in search strings in vi. I thought it might be because I was using vim instead of vi. Do you know why this is?
14:21<frankgrimes>Maybe I just don't know how to use '+' and '?' in search strings?
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14:21<valdyn>flips^: i dont know what else you did wrong. In any case your mdadm.conf should be ok and after you modify the mdadm.conf you need to rebuild the initial ram disk
14:21<centrx>/+
14:21<WangDang>not of hand I don't. I use vi, but I am not an expert. I've never tried to use + in a search
14:22<WangDang>have you checked the manpage about special characters in searches?
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14:22<valdyn>flips^: if thats not done your raid will get a random name like md127
14:22<frankgrimes>WangDang: Not the manpage, just a tutorial on a website
14:23<WangDang>better check the man page to see how vim handles + in searches
14:23<WangDang>it maybe that the tutorial was using some other variant of vi
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14:25<frankgrimes>It's not in the man page. That only seems to cover switches and stuff. I'll check the :help command in vim
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14:29<flips^>valdyn: I'm not sure what happened, might have happened during a reinstall (I tried various distros/versions) ... Interesting thing: mdadm --detail on /dev/md/boot (or md127) reveals a different UUID than blkid on the same device
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14:31<seuti>How do I get both of my monitors to work on the AMD HD7770 card?
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14:32<WangDang>frankgrimes: what does ls -l /etc/alternatives/vi show as the target of the simlink?
14:33<flips^>so, should I use the mdadm --examine --scan UUID in /etc/fstab, or the blkid UUID ... this is confusing ;-p
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14:35<frankgrimes>WangDang: $ ls -l vi
14:35<frankgrimes>lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Sep 6 14:14 vi -> /usr/bin/vim.basic
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14:38<frankgrimes>Anyway, I've found the correct way to use '+' in vim.
14:39<WangDang>great. What is it?
14:39<frankgrimes>My guide didn't specify that you have to use a backslash for an escape sequence, like "\+"
14:39<WangDang>cool
14:40<user01>hmmm so i have had suggestions to use ext2 on ssd, but i read since ext4 is more modern to use it with journaling disabled, then i see an article from ted tso advocating journaling on ssd because there are usually minimal extraneous read/write cycles
14:40<user01>any recommendations? :)
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14:41<frankgrimes>Anyway, thank you for all the help
14:42<WangDang>yw
14:42<frankgrimes>:)
14:42<seuti>Is installing ATIProprietary on jessie the same as wheezy?
14:42<frankgrimes>Anyone else use wifi drivers in debian?
14:43<towo`>seuti, there is no ati blob in jessie
14:43<seuti>Oh, how do I install the right drivers?
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14:43<towo`>seuti, what do you mean with "right drivers"?
14:44<seuti>I want to use a driver that will let me use both of my monitors, the one that came preinstalled doesn't detect them both.
14:44<towo`>seuti, you do not give any relevant info
14:44<seuti>The card is an AMD HD7770
14:45<towo`>seuti, and the fre ati driver needs firmware-linux-nonfree
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14:46<towo`>seuti, and btw, support for debian testing/sid is on #debian-next
14:46<seuti>Okay, thanks.
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15:11<Sudarshan18>I have Mint 17 Qiana installed .
15:11<Sudarshan18>And i get this error which i can't resolve
15:11<Sudarshan18>E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
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15:11<Sudarshan18>I tried the apt-get update method
15:11<Sudarshan18>But that doesnt work
15:12<sney>Sudarshan18: this is not the mint support channel
15:12<sney>Sudarshan18: go to #linuxmint on irc.spotchat.org
15:12<Sudarshan18>My bad
15:13<devil>Sudarshan18: very bad indeed ;)
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15:37<qwk>anyone here have expreience with varnish + nginx + apache?
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15:39<sney>!anyone
15:40<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
15:42<frangor>!popcon
15:42<dpkg>popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
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15:47<frankgrimes>See you all later. It's been a pleasure
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16:13<user__>ayy lmao
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16:14<ncl>same
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16:50<casper366>hi, is there a way to autostart a shell(gnome-terminal or other) with multiple tabs open and commands executed (eg. Tab1:IRC, Tab2:vim, Tab3: none)? I'm using Debian with openbox
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16:56<casper366>to clarify, I mean autostart just when I initially log in, not every time i fire up a terminal ;-)
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17:26<xcmd997>hi
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17:30<xcmd997>hi
17:30<xcmd997>can you hlp me
17:30<xcmd997>?
17:30<mtn>!ask
17:30<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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18:16<nyov>How can I easily check if a https url certificate is trusted by my ca-certificates setup?
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18:19<nyov>Somewhow my browser is OK with the certificate, but wget and python script are not. The root CA in question (UTN_USERFirst_Hardware_Root_CA.pem) should be enabled and installed though, using ca-certificates.
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18:29<nyov>hm, this is a PositiveSSL comodo cert, anyone knows where to find the comodo roots? what an ugly company
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18:44<sney>inconsistent signature recognition commonly means you need to supply the intermediate cert, which the cert vendor should (hopefully) also provide
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19:02<nyov>sney: yes, and I couldn't find it on the various comodo websites. Now I just exported it from iceweasel, put it in ~/.cert and did a c_rehash ... which wouldn't hash this PEM file
19:02<nyov>UNTIL i figured i had to convert the dos file to unix fileencoding... :O
19:02<nyov>now works. dangit
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19:05<nyov>btw., is there a default user directory equivalent to /etc/ssl/certs/ ?
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19:17<aranax>HI! there is a library in c/perl/whatever to get the package info from the apt database?
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19:20<leo>hello guys i have a debian instaled and working fine but no gnome menus what is my fault, how i can solve it?
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19:23<mtn>leo: maybe because gnome is now gnome 3 and different than you expect?
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19:23<leo>i have instaled deb-med for try and i need apps menus
19:24<nyov>aranax: check libapt-pkg-perl, libapt-pkg4.12/libapt-pkg-dev
19:24<leo>i don't know the programs included by tasksel
19:24<mtn>leo: I think there is an extension that will add menus.
19:25<rostam>HI I do not understand the same package haveing two different name: mailutils_2.99.98-1.1_amd64.deb and mailutils_1%3a2.99.98-1.1_amd64.deb. could some explain please? thanks
19:25<leo>but on these debian none menu are displayed
19:25<mtn>leo: https://extensions.gnome.org/
19:25<leo>ok
19:25<leo>thanks
19:25<mtn>leo: you might want to read up on gnome3, too
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19:25<leo>gnome-settings-daemon not run too
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19:26<shawn>captnfab: https://gist.github.com/shawnbon206/52e7bdf717a487710940
19:27<aranax>nyov, thx
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20:24<Cylus>Assuming I have two files on my machine, what would be an effective way to tell if they are identical?
20:26<liberulo>diff file1 file2
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20:31<Cylus>Sweet. Thanks liberulo!
20:33<liberulo>you're welcome
20:33<Cylus>Huh. It seems to work on directories too, listing which subdirectories they have in common. That will probably come in handy later as well.
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21:22<pablo>msg dpkg alsa
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23:06<xubuntu>google chrome
23:07<Cylus>Doesn't Chrome have built-in Adobe Flash? Ew.
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23:14<musca>Cylus: yes, the chrome browser by google features the new plugin for the pepper api. Chromium doesn't do though.
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23:15<Cylus>musca: Is Pepper Flash?
23:15<Cylus>Chromium doesn't play nicely with Tor, but I suppose that's not an issue for non-Tor users.
23:16<musca>no, Pepper is the successor of the Netscape-Plugin-API.
23:17<Cylus>Okay, got it. Thanks!
23:17<musca>NP-API is disabled in chromium and chrome.
23:19<musca>in latest versions since 35.0
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