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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-09-10

---Logopened Wed Sep 10 00:00:39 2014
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00:16<canaima>hola
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00:52<pudor>hallo everyone, q! always i shutdown or reboot system i get error "rpc.bind ps.tree bla-bla-bla" is this clue(big brother)?
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00:54<pudor>any live?
00:54<pudor>very supportive)
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01:30<SamB_laptop>themill: hmm, pam_env(8) looks promising ...
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04:39<ilk>yes hello, when i try to login to gnome-classic all i get is the mouse what have i done wrong?
04:40<ilk>i tried apt~ gnome-desktop-environment / gnome / gnome-core / gnome-desktop
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04:41<cofirazak>ilk: please check the owner of your home folder
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04:43<cofirazak>ilk: CTRL+ALT+F1 lonig in ls -l /home
04:43<jm_>they left
04:43<cofirazak>oh
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04:57<Xylon>Hi all
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04:58<Xylon>ever since updating three days ago I get this email every day: /usr/bin/mandb: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct
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05:00<jm_>and are the locale variables set correctly?
05:01<anny>Xylon: send output from locale
05:01<jm_>look in /etc/default/locale
05:02<jm_>and use a pastebin, don't paste here (/msg dpkg paste)
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05:05<Xylon>hm, it lists all en_US, maybe it should be en_GB
05:05<Xylon>OK, thankyou I should be able to work it out myself from here
05:05<jm_>compare it to /etc/locale.gen
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05:07<Xylon>only thing uncommented in /etc/locale.gen is: en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8
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05:09<jm_>and setting LANG to en_US works in shell?
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05:10<Xylon>hang on when I type locale I get errors
05:10<Xylon>I'll paste
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05:11<terravires>hey guys, been trying for hours to get debian installed on a UEFI box with 4x 3TB drives in RAID 10. With legacy EFI mode, grub fails with "grub-efi failed to install to /target", with it enabled and legacy grub I can't boot due to GPT, any help?
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05:11<Xylon>https://t67.eu/filebin/locale_errors.txt
05:11<jm_>terravires: try installing grub manually and see what it says
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05:12<terravires>jm_, fails to install (grub-install /dev/sda) and says run --recheck and try using custom device.map
05:12<jm_>or if that fails try with separate /boot
05:12<terravires>jm_, I have a seperate boot, but it's raid-1 across all four drives. (this works with 1.5TB drives btw)
05:12<jm_>terravires: have you tried using --recheck or deleting custom.map before running grub-install?
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05:12<terravires>jm_, yes
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05:13<jm_>terravires: yeah I meant /boot outside of raid
05:13<terravires>jm_, I've never used gpt, so that may be a problem
05:14<terravires>jm_, I've got a raid-1 with /boot using 1.5TB drives and msdos parts, but this gpt + uefi is giving me fits.
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05:14<terravires>from what I can tell, it's not even default grub, rather grub-efi + other packages
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05:15<jm_>terravires: gpt itself is supported by grub and you need a separate partition for this, do you have that?
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05:16<terravires>jm_ I have 1mb (bios reserved boot) 64mb FAT32 EFI boot partition, MD0 (raid-1 across 4 drives) with ext3, MD1 (3TB across 4 drives crypto + lvm)
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05:17<jm_>terravires: make sure that partition is mounted at /boot/efi
05:17<jm_>be back in a while
05:17<terravires>jm_, did that too, even copied over the boot cd's efi .bin files
05:18<terravires>jm_, in /boot/efi/efi/boot/*
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05:27<Xylon>fixed my locale problem, just added the en_GB locales to /etc/locale.gen and ran locale-gen
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05:31<Xylon>Maybe it's my VPS host's fault?
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05:47<jm_>terravires: you don't copy stuff to /boot/efi manually, grub-install does that
05:47<terravires>jm_, one website suggested it via google. Just trying to solve the issues here. :)
05:48<terravires>jm_, I've also confirmed I'm boot in EFI mode installer (files in /sys/firmware/efi/*)
05:48<terravires>but the debian installer gives me no details, just failed to install grub-efi to /target
05:49<peter1138>did you tell the partition editor which partition is the efi partition?
05:49<peter1138>errr
05:49<peter1138>phrase that better if you will :)
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05:51<jm_>terravires: that's why I said to try and install grub manually
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05:51<jm_>terravires https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#GUID_Partition_Table_.28GPT.29_specific_instructions
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05:55<terravires>jm_, as I said, I already setup those required 1mb bios boot partitons, in addtion to the 256MB /boot
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05:56<jm_>it's not a bios partition it's an efi partition and that is just one of the things to do for uefi
05:56<terravires>jm_, yes, I have the efi (fat32) setup as well
05:56<terravires>on all four disks
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06:07<xxx>identify
06:07<xxx>IDENTIFY
06:07<xxx>IDENTIFY xxx
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06:08<jm_>try using /
06:08<xxx>lol thanks
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06:11<muah>Hello, guys. I've been wondering what the reason for missing packages in jessie is, for example, check out the fish package: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/shells/fish , it is available for sid and wheezy but not for jessie, weston is available for sid and I am sure that it used to have a package for jessie as well
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06:11<babilen>muah: fish is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=fish
06:12<babilen>muah: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=src&data=fish&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done (and #746259 specifically) might be of interest to you.
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06:13<muah>thanks a lot
06:14<babilen>yw
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06:20<tre>How do I use a usbwebcam on linux?
06:21<jm_>use it for what?
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06:24<jm_>in general you use it via v4l, so apps that support that
06:25<tre>I don`t no, I have a GoXtreme Wifi Control and it`s now in WEBCAM mode on my Arduino Tre
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06:26<tre>can i install v4l via apt-get
06:27<tre>?
06:27<jm_>v4l stands for video 4 linux - it involves several things, starting with a driver, but yeah, kernel provides drivers and there are v4l libs/apps in repository
06:27<jm_>!v4l
06:27<dpkg>"Video For Linux" (Video4Linux, V4L) is a video capture <API>. The V4L1 API is obsolete and does not work with most newer V4L drivers. http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/What_is_V4L_or_DVB%3F http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/ http://www.exploits.org/v4l #v4l on irc.freenode.net. See also <dvb>, <webcam>.
06:28<jm_>so try /msg dpkg webcam and follow the other items it mentions
06:28<tre>oke thanks
06:28<jm_>the one I tried with was a simple logitech webcam handled by one of the gspca modules
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06:36<terravires>so any other ideas how I can get this to work? I'd really like boot to be raid-1, if possible... Any other suggestions, I've read over that link you sent jm_ and did most of those things
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06:39<terravires>Ideally I'd like GPT -> MDM (raid10) -> LVM -> CRYPTO -> EXT4, that all worked before UEFI + GPT got thrown into the mix. :-/
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06:41<jm_>terravires: I'm affraid not, I never used /boot in raid - my only setup with DM has /boot outside of raid
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06:43<foffa>how to default startup application ? and is it okay if i removed all startup application ?
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07:36<screenn>what is 3.14-2-rt-amd64 ?
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07:37<themill>it looks like the output of uname -r
07:37<screenn>to be clear, what's difference with traditional kernel
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07:37<babilen>screenn: -rt- ;)
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07:37<babilen>dpkg: tell screenn -about rt
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07:38<screenn>real time patches, sounds good
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07:39<babilen>screenn: What kind of system is this for? Why would you require rt?
07:40<screenn>for real system
07:40<screenn>real time for real system :)
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07:42<babilen>That is meaningless. Please keep in mind that you will probably get more context switches which might lead to lower throughput.
07:43<screenn>babilen, to be honest just reviewed alternative kernels available from repo
07:44<babilen>So, use the standard kernel unless you have a good reason not to. :)
07:44<Apollo>rt is only somewhat useful for audio processing
07:44<Apollo>and even then
07:45<babilen>I'd want a RT kernel in my car, some medical equipment and comparable situations too
07:45<screenn>to late, it was output from my uname -a
07:45<Apollo>beh, in a car, I dunno babilen
07:46<Apollo>if it comes down to shaving off a couple of ms on your car system, something has gone horribly wrong
07:46<screenn>I already have in my car :)
07:46<Apollo>"Controlling a laser with Linux is crazy, but everyone in this room is crazy in his own way. So if you want to use Linux to control an industrial welding laser, I have no problem with your using PREEMPT_RT." -- Linus Torvalds
07:46<Apollo>lol
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07:50<peter1138>rt isn't about shaving ms
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07:52<nikon_>guys
07:52<nikon_>halp
07:52<nikon_>;-;
07:52<nikon_>gnome3 wont let me launch certain apps
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07:53<nikon_>like i can't get in to terminal or files
07:54<Apollo>peter1138: I know, but eeeeh
07:54*Apollo gets coffee
07:54<Apollo>software guarantees and stuff
07:56<nikon_>ooooh
07:56<nikon_>Apollo the Greek god of knowledge
07:56<Apollo>no
07:56<Apollo>just
07:56<Apollo>no
07:56<nikon_>(with some others omitted)
07:57<nikon_>or the Apollo space missions?
07:57<ioerror>hi - i wonder - how do people here store their RNG seed from boot to boot?
07:57<ioerror>that is - using rng-tools?
07:58<babilen>nikon_: What happens if you try?
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07:59<nikon_>babilen: the first time it loads in the small area at the top left corner of the nav bar, but it never launches
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07:59<babilen>How do you attempt to launch the program? Which program is that exactly?
08:00<peter1138>ioerror, initscripts contains stuff to seed the RNG, dunno about rng-tools though
08:00<planetmaker><Apollo> rt is only somewhat useful for audio processing <-- oh, it's useful for process control, if there's mission-critical timings which must be met or you'll loose data
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08:00<nikon_>well, terminal, files, other gnome apps
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08:00<koollman>ioerror: /etc/init.d/urandom (or rather, 'initscripts by default')
08:00<ioerror>peter1138: i want to ensure that at reboot/shutdown/etc - that i extract say, 128bits from the pool and cache it on disk
08:00<koollman>ioerror: is it important to you ?
08:00*babilen thinks that the "merits of RT" discussion might be more appropriate in #debian-offtopic
08:01<ioerror>koollman: do you know if it ensures that yu can't roll back?
08:01<koollman>or rather ... why is it important?
08:01<ioerror>koollman: all crypto breaks without entropy? :-)
08:01<Apollo>so why would you want to store the seed..
08:02<koollman>ioerror: that's ok. entropy is pretty common in the universe :)
08:02<nikon_>literally the only apps that i know work, are smuxi and iceweasel
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08:03<peter1138>ioerror, /etc/init.d/urandom saves 512 bytes to reseed on start up
08:03<peter1138>by default
08:03<nikon_>babilen: if i alt-f2, type gnome-terminal i get nothing
08:03<ioerror>peter1138: i see that, yes, good
08:04<babilen>nikon_: Is gnome-terminal installed? What does "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l gnome-terminal|tail -n1" give you?
08:04<koollman>ioerror: the script is rather simple : at boot, read the seed file, load it. After that, regenerate it. at stop, regenerate it
08:04<ioerror>peter1138: i think i found a bug in tha t- where an attacker (ie: a power failure) may reset it
08:04<ioerror>koollman: yes, i see that - i need to think a bit about it
08:05<ioerror>this for example scares me: date +%s.%N
08:05<ioerror>seeding with the time and date seems... well, not so solid
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08:06<jm_>that's only effective the first time when there's no saved file yet no?
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08:07<musca>babilen: i understood, that he can not access his terminal
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08:07<ioerror>or if the disk is read only, everytime
08:07<nikon_>and launching root terminal crashed gnome
08:08<jm_>but that obviously doesn't apply to you since you want to cache it on disk
08:08<babilen>musca: I have, as of now, not heard any indication that, for example, xterm cannot be used or that nikon_ is unable to switch to tty1.
08:08<ioerror>jm_: I am considering the different failure modes (the power gets cut on this device from tiem to time)
08:09<koollman>ioerror: so I would say it will not load the same state twice. But I think most computers now will have 'enough' entropy generated even soon after boot
08:09<nikon_>babilen: i can use tty1
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08:09<jm_>ioerror: just move your mouse randomly after boot then :)
08:09<peter1138>ioerror, the seed file isn't removed
08:10<peter1138>ioerror, so if it's not updated then you still get something seeded. perhaps not ideal, but...
08:10<babilen>So, you can start *no terminal whatsoever* in Gnome or another DE/WM ? Which version of gnome-terminal do you have installed?
08:10<nikon_>babilen: il check
08:10<nikon_>ill
08:10<ioerror>jm_: no mouse here :)
08:11<ioerror>I'm starting to do a study with some folks on entropy collection
08:11<ioerror>so debian will be our main target OS (who cares about any other?)
08:11<nikon_>3.12.3-2
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08:12<koollman>ioerror: have fun reading about the various kernel entropy sources ... I remember doing that a while ago ... and it was ugly :)
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08:16<ioerror>koollman: yes, also, all the user space daemons
08:16<babilen>nikon_: So, you are tracking testing and/or unstable then. Can you start *other* programs? (btw, unstable and testing are supported in #debian-next rather than here and it looks as if you broke your system)
08:16<babilen>Ah, I asked that already. Lets wait for the rest of the answers to trickle in.
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08:17<ioerror>thanks koollman !
08:18<ioerror>thanks jm_ and peter1138 - i appreciate it
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08:19<nikon_>babilen: yeah, i've got a few running
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08:21<babilen>nikon_: xterm?
08:22<nikon_>yeo
08:22<nikon_>yep
08:22<babilen>Okay, try starting "gnome-terminal" in that xterm and check for interesting output.
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08:23<nikon_>babilen: nothing
08:23<nikon_>it looks like the command clears
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08:27<jm_>it should be in your session log
08:27<nikon_>jm_: what logfile?
08:27<peter1138>.xsession-errors
08:27<jm_>nikon_: are you using gdm3?
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08:28<nikon_>h
08:28<peter1138>unless it's different with jessie/sid
08:28<jm_>if so check ~/.cache/gdm
08:29<nikon_>jm_: i dont have a .cache/gdm
08:30<jm_>nikon_: then check the other file mentioned
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08:30<nikon_>looks like a shit ton of theme parsing errors
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08:32<supaman>nikon_: iceweasel works for you, put that log file on paste.debian.org
08:33<supaman>sorry, paste.debian.net
08:33<jm_>and I would suggest you continue in #debian-next if you're using testing or unstable
08:34<nikon_>http://paste.debian.net/120204/
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09:04<aantoon>hello
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09:21<einonm>Hi, I'm trying to up the amount of shared memory available on wheezy, I've put /proc/sys/kernel/shmmax to 2G and I have 2G of RAM total. I understand I can get 50% of RAM as shared memory, but it appears to top out at ~400M. Is there something else I need to do?
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10:11<einonm>Yes, there was - SHM_SIZE in /etc/default/tmpfs needed to be set, presumably the default is 20% to get 400M on a 2G system
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10:44<alin>how are you
10:44<alin>?
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10:47<Ouuuua>fucking in the bushes!
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10:47<Ouuuua>hi
10:48<Ouuuua>hey, people!
10:48<Ouuuua>whts th fck
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10:49<pfsense_rookie>Ouuuua, you Brazil yes?
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10:57*SamB_laptop wonders why, right after unhibernating, his ram usage is rising far faster than his swap usage is falling
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10:58<SamB_laptop>(and that's in MB, not %, so it's totally unrelated to the RAM stolen for use as VRAM)
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11:22<sri>does anyone know netlimiter like software in ubuntu
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11:22<sri>does anyone know netlimiter like software in ubuntu
11:22<centrx>!ubuntu
11:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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11:37<sri>kai re
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11:39<trico>icedove suddenly stopped loading any messages from my inboxes. how can i get it working again?
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11:45<captnfab>trico: when I encountered this problem, the only solution I found was to close it and reopen it
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11:52<trico>captnfab: lol ive already tried that and more
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11:53<captnfab>you mean the problem persists for you?
11:53<captnfab>too bad
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11:54<captnfab>tried compacting the mailboxes? tried re-creating a profile?
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11:55<trico>id like to avoid recreating the profile, but i already tried compacting. almost looks like it cant connect to the server, but i dont see anything that is causing it
11:55<captnfab>oh, ok
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12:27<trico>captnfab: turns out there was an instance running in background. killed it. fixed
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12:29<captnfab>ok, good :)
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13:54<EmleyMoor>When I plug a USB hard drive into my desktop PC, it is automatically mounted as /media/<label> - on my laptop, as /media/usbX - why the difference?
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14:01<maxy>EmleyMoor: I think that usbmount does that.
14:01<maxy>Just remove it.
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14:06<cusco>hey folks... I seem to be having a little trouble installing grub on md0
14:06<cusco>not sure why
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14:10<Maulkin>cusco: hi there
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14:11<Maulkin>cusco: What do you mean: generally you install on disks, not the raid array itself. Could you use paste.debian.net and show us exactly what you're doing, and the errors you're getting?>
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14:16<cusco>Maulkin: plenty of lines: SQUASHFS error: Unable to read page, block 188054c, size 83d8
14:16<cusco>md blocks asre still being synched
14:16<cusco>can't paste from that machine atm
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14:18<Maulkin>cusco: That doesn't sound like a grub installer error... What version of Debian are you installing/running?
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14:19<Maulkin>cusco: And how are you trying to install? What media etc?
14:20<cusco>wheezy
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14:20<cusco>used netinstall to make the md devioces etc
14:20<cusco>I am now on a live
14:20<cusco>with mounted md0
14:20<cusco>chrooted into it
14:21<Maulkin>Can't you just install using the netinstall? The squashfs errors sound like you have a problem with either the live image, or your drive.
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14:21<Maulkin>(ie: the installation media)
14:26<cusco>I'm gessing it is because md devices are still synching
14:26<cusco>I ilstalled all from the nestinstall, all great until grub
14:26<cusco>I installed grub on all disks
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14:26<cusco>and on boot drops me do a grub rescue
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14:56<trico>newest version of chrome keeps saying shockwave flash crashed. is anyone else seeing that?
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15:03<pmarty>I'd like to compile mpv and link it against FFmpeg libs I installed to /usr/local . Do you think I could use sid package (http://sources.debian.net/src/mpv/0.5.1-1/debian/control) and modify it slightly (remove libav* build-deps) or should I just go straight ahead with vanilla upstream tarball and install to /usr/local?
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15:15<centrx>pmarty, creating a Debian package is generally a good idea
15:16<centrx>pmarty, maybe rename it to mpv-ffmpeg or something
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15:31<RolaCola>Hi everyone, how would I go about downloading a .deb from the backports WITHOUT apt? I need to download it on to a USB and transfer it over to Debian.
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15:36<fr33domlover>Hello
15:36<oliver_>Hi, RolaCola: the best way would be to search on packages.debian.org
15:37<fr33domlover>In Debian 7 stable, does nouveau support HDMI connection to a TV screen?
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15:38<RolaCola>oliver_: I did that and I found the packages I want, but it only give me the source, not a .deb (unless I missed something) - I'm not really sure how to do it
15:38<oliver_>yes, the website has two sections; one for the source packages, another for the binaries
15:39<oliver_>if you are on the source package page, look for the text "The following binary packages are built from this source package:
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15:42<RolaCola>oliver_: that text isn't found, am I being incredibly dull somehow? Here's the page I'm on: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy-backports/linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.1-amd64
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15:42<oliver_>that's the binary package page, at the bottom are the download links :)
15:43<mjrosenb>morning, all. I'm trying to re-install a kernel, and apt-get is spewing a couple of errors, not running the postinst hooks, and apparently succeeding: https://gist.github.com/93354be099f3ee925e35
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15:44<mjrosenb>Is there any way to track down what is going wrong?
15:44<RolaCola>oliver_: oh wow, found them! Thanks! (Can't believe I missed that...)
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15:56<oliver_>mjrosenb: hello there
15:56<oliver_>could you put on github gist the output of 'apt-cache policy', 'apt-cache policy linux-generic' and your sources.list, please?
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15:57<mjrosenb>oliver_: c.c this may be an ubuntu system, but their irc channel is being kind of silent atm.
15:57<oliver_>:D
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15:58<oliver_>they would know best what ubuntu does, but ...
15:59<oliver_>do you have apt-utils installed?
15:59<mjrosenb>https://gist.github.com/f6b2821ab397e79ebf64
15:59<mjrosenb>oliver_: yes.
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15:59<tiekookeit>Hi need help with firebird setup on debian 64, the package abort with
15:59<tiekookeit>Unable to complete network request to host "kigufbdbvm01".
15:59<tiekookeit>Failed to locate host machine.
15:59<tiekookeit>unable to open database
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16:00<oliver_>does /usr/bin/apt-extracttemplates exist?
16:01<mjrosenb>oliver_: yes.
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16:15<oliver_>mjrosenb: I can't find the {pre,post}{inst,rm} for linux-generic, would you post them please?
16:15<mjrosenb>oliver_: that has gone beyond what I know how to do off the top of my head.
16:16<oliver_>just the /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-generic.{pre,post}{inst,rm} scripts
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16:16<oliver_>all 4 of them are being run due to the --reinstall
16:17<mjrosenb>/var/lib/dpkg/info is empty.
16:17<mjrosenb>...
16:17<mjrosenb>ignore me, I ran that on the wrong machine.
16:17<SynrG>not debian or ubuntu, in that case.
16:18<mjrosenb>correct.
16:18<SynrG>in any case, this is not the place for ubuntu help
16:18<SynrG>!based on debian
16:18<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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16:18*oliver_ blows a raspberry
16:19<mjrosenb>root@panda:~# ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-generic.*
16:19<mjrosenb>/var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-generic.list /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-generic.md5sums
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16:19<mjrosenb>:-/
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17:00<plaus>I've just installed debian with btrfs and luks encryption..but it won't boot
17:00<plaus>if anyone wants to take a stab at helping me out it would be most appreciated..rather fix the boot problem than redoing the whole configuration it was a lot of work and I don't understand what went wrong anyhow
17:01<plaus>made a post here.. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=117319
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17:05<plaus>actually, it was in the wrong subforum, i've reposted it here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=117320
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17:12<Fakeboost>Hello, I was tried to set up a folder share with samba, using gadmin-samba, and when I reboot I found my main user account wasnt there...What can I do to recover my user?
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17:14<Fakeboost>trying
17:15<centrx>yeah samba was made illegal in eleven countries controlled by Microsoft
17:15<Fakeboost>I wont use it again
17:15<Fakeboost>What can I do to recover my user?
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17:16<centrx>Fakeboost, it seems like it shouldn't do that, was this a package from Debian stable you installed?
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17:16<Fakeboost>yes
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17:16<Fakeboost>centrx
17:17<centrx>Fakeboost, is the user account listed in /etc/passwd
17:17<centrx>Fakeboost, is the home directory still there in /home/ ?
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17:18<Fakeboost>it shows : 1003 not no value has been set, and 1003 1005
17:18<Fakeboost>in passwd
17:18<Fakeboost>the home directory is still there
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17:18<centrx>Fakeboost, huh? what's the complete line in passwd ?
17:19<Fakeboost>ok, im on another pc, ill write it down
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17:20<Fakeboost>(my username-my group) $:x:1003:1003:No value has been set:/dev/null:/dev/null
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17:20<Fakeboost>and another line goes like this:
17:20<centrx>Fakeboost, I would say just add the username back into /etc/passwd with the right ID, but it's not clear what happened to cause this
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17:21<Fakeboost>(my username):x:1004:1005:User 1:/home/username:/dev/null
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17:21<centrx>Fakeboost, which one is your user?
17:21<Fakeboost>But if I add it back is it guaranteed I will have my old settings and not just a new user?
17:21<centrx>Fakeboost, Do you recognize the other one with the $ at all?
17:21<Fakeboost>lance
17:21<Fakeboost>is my user
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17:22<centrx>Fakeboost, but like, the 1004 one is the user that was messed up
17:22<Fakeboost>both lines I wrote included my username
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17:22<Fakeboost>ok
17:22<centrx>Fakeboost, and 1003 is a funny looking line that looks like it shouldn't be there and might be related but who knows
17:22<centrx>Fakeboost, It looks like you can just change the "/dev/null" back to "/bin/bash"
17:22<Fakeboost>how to do that?
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17:23<centrx>Fakeboost, edit the file with "vipw"
17:23<Fakeboost>the passwd file?
17:23<centrx>Fakeboost, just run "vipw" that's all, however
17:23<centrx>Fakeboost, This edits the file in a safe way
17:23<Fakeboost>ok
17:24<centrx>Fakeboost, If you are sure there is no one else on the machine then you can edit with your favorite text editor safely
17:24<Fakeboost>and I delete dev null and write bin bash?
17:24<centrx>Fakeboost, otherwise, vipw uses vi which has a steep learning curve if you don't know it
17:24<centrx>Fakeboost, yes exactly
17:24<Fakeboost>ok, by the way I think I might delete other smbguest line, shall I do that?
17:25<Fakeboost>I wont use smba no more
17:25<centrx>Fakeboost, if you uninstall all the samba packages with dpkg --purge it should delete them for you
17:25<Fakeboost>ok
17:25<Fakeboost>I cant delete from within vipw
17:25<Fakeboost>How do i enable it?
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17:26<centrx>Fakeboost, yeah that's just the vi interface, it's unusual
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17:26<centrx>Fakeboost, what text editor do you normally use?
17:26<Fakeboost>gedit
17:26<centrx>Fakeboost, okay try this:
17:27<centrx>Fakeboost, EDITOR=gedit vipw
17:27<centrx>Fakeboost, that's the complete command to run on the console
17:27<Fakeboost>ok
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17:28<Fakeboost>In the terminal after the change it says you may need to modify /etc/shadow for consistency
17:29<centrx>hmm, yeah let's check that after
17:29<Fakeboost>ok, I ll try to log in
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17:30<Fakeboost>No success
17:30<centrx>Fakeboost, does it give any error message?
17:30<Fakeboost>In the login prompt, no, it doesnt
17:30<Fakeboost>It just doesnt show any user other than root
17:31<centrx>Fakeboost, can you try logging in from console, or is there an option on your login manager to type in a username?
17:31<Fakeboost>Should I first remove samba?
17:31<centrx>Fakeboost, sure yeah that might be best, and you're going to do it anyway so might as well be now
17:31<Fakeboost>Mm, logging that way I, dont think so
17:32<Fakeboost>None that i know of.
17:32<Fakeboost>I ll remove samba
17:32<centrx>yeah that could even fix it itself
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17:34<Fakeboost>I removed gadmin-samba, but I dont know if there are other samba instances out there...
17:35<Fakeboost>in etc/i see a samba folder, for example
17:36<centrx>Fakeboost, dpkg -l |grep samba
17:36<centrx>Fakeboost, and: dpkg -l |grep smb
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17:36<Fakeboost>I think I wont do that grep samba, because I have dependencies
17:36<jimpop>heh, here's an idea... coordinate updates so that people don't have to upgrade 3 times in 1 day
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17:37<Fakeboost>Any way, back to user recovery, centrx, what should I do?
17:37<centrx>Fakeboost, I don't know how your login manager gets its user in that list
17:38<centrx>Fakeboost, If you look at /etc/passwd now, did your changes make it in and in the form you expected?
17:38<Fakeboost>aha
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17:38<Fakeboost>let me check
17:38<centrx>Fakeboost, and see if anything looks unusual in /etc/shadow
17:39<Fakeboost>In passwd, its the same situation i had before, except this time dev null was replaced with bin bash
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17:39<centrx>Fakeboost, try deleting that $ line
17:39<Fakeboost>ok
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17:40<centrx>Fakeboost, but this is all in vain if it's already working internally but the login manager doesn't know about the user
17:40<Fakeboost>Where is the login manager?
17:40<centrx>Fakeboost, depends on which one you are using (gdm, lightdm,...), and I don't know
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17:41<Fakeboost>You mean DE?
17:41<Fakeboost>Im on Gnome fallback
17:41<centrx>Fakeboost, ok it's probably gdm then, but it could be something else
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17:41<Fakeboost>How do i check that?
17:41<centrx>Fakeboost, ask in #gnome on Freenode about that part
17:41<Fakeboost>ok
17:42<Fakeboost>Thanks a lot!
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17:42<centrx>and see if it works after the deleting the $, and check the /etc/shadow
17:42<centrx>brb
17:42<Fakeboost>ok
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18:48*SamB_laptop wonders WTH bash has no "rehash" command
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18:49<Riviera>SamB: it does, it's called hash; you are looking for "hash -r" and "help hash".
18:49<SamB_laptop>no I'm wondering why "rehash" doesn't do the same as hash -r
18:50<Riviera>Because there is no rehash, as you just .. ah well.
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18:51<SamB_laptop>I guess ease of use for zsh users isn't exactly their top priority, huh?
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18:53<somiaj>SamB_laptop: would a simple alias ease your issue?
18:54*SamB_laptop starts wondering how he had even heard the name "rehash" for this operation before he started using zsh ... because he distinctly remembers having tried to run "rehash" *before* becoming a zsh user ...
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18:57<Riviera>SamB: It comes from the csh.
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18:57<SamB_laptop>Riviera: perhaps their one good idea ;-P
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19:11<terravires>can anyone help with UEFI + GPT + RAID? Boot installer "failed to install grub-efi to /target", appears install doesn't have grub-pc (since it's efi maybe) grub-install either.
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19:21<Fakeboost>centrx, solved it, with adduser, thx
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19:23<centrx>Fakeboost, cool
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19:31<clintcurt1z>im having trouble getting flash running on the computer i just built. used the netinstall amd64 version, only the basic desktop to start. AMD r9 270x GPU, (flash, linux-non-free, and AMD catalyst installed) whenever i try to navigate to a page with flash it says "Shockwave has stopped." same thing happens in Chrome. I think im missing a few thing. Also on another note, I can't get audio to play
19:31<clintcurt1z>from HDMI, it doesn't recognize it as an audio source.
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19:32<somiaj>clintcurt1z: lets work with one problem at a time? For flashplugin-nonfree are you using chromium (chrome) or some other browser?
19:32<clintcurt1z>Chrome
19:32<evan>wut
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19:33<clintcurt1z>but it does the same in iceweasle also.
19:33<evan>anybody know the debian repositories?
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19:33<somiaj>evan: what do you mean? Maybe ask your actual question
19:33<centrx>evan, I've heard of them
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19:33<somiaj>clintcurt1z: lets see what video drivers you are running does 'xvinfo' give you any output?
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19:35<clintcurt1z>nvm, i iz dumb. did a restart and now its working in iceweasle(FF), just not chrome.
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19:49<terravires>got some progress, I get a grub rescue prompt now, but trying to manually boot gives me grub: unknown filesystem.
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19:56<jefferson>anyone here use oz unity black opal?
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20:12<cl1ntcurtuz>can someone help me figure out why i cant see HDMI output in my audio settings?
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20:27<terravires>does anyone know why grub gives "unknown filesystem" when using gpt + raid + uefi?
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20:36<SamB_laptop>terravires: need more input
20:37<SamB_laptop>i.e., what path was it trying to open when it said that?
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20:43*SamB_laptop wonders since when 95% qualifies as "fully charged"
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20:45<cl1ntcurtuz>can anyone help me figre out why my HDMI audio is not showing up in aplay -l??
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20:46<SamB_laptop>... why is there a firefox logo on my iceweasel start page ... ???
20:47*SamB_laptop wonders if it's from an extension or from mozilla.org ...
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20:47<SamB_laptop>er, I mean, who messed up the branding ...
20:48<jpleau>SamB_laptop: here it changes from iceweasel's logo to firefox real fast, that's strange
20:49<SamB_laptop>clearly Debian should not have to worry about such things, since firefox isn't even the default branding for ages now
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21:00<T00RT00R>hey guys, i have a strange error going on with my apt
21:00<T00RT00R>upon running apt-get update i am prompted with this error
21:01<T00RT00R>W: Unknown flag value:  yes
21:01<T00RT00R>W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
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21:02<peter1138>heh, if i press f5 sometimes i get the iceweasel logo stay
21:02<PEB>T00RT00R: anything strange in your sources.list ?
21:02-!-gomex [~gomex@177.42.232.154] has joined #debian
21:02<PEB>or did you make some alias/function which could collide with apt-get command ?
21:03<T00RT00R>i did have the VLC repo in my apt but i removed it
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21:03<themill>T00RT00R: perhaps you could pastebin the entire output a long with your sources.list
21:04<T00RT00R>http://pastebin.com/mgzkRBdS
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21:05<Marylise21> Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like! http://tinyurl.com/oh6t4o2
21:05-!-Marylise21 [~Marylise2@95.141.28.119] has quit [autokilled: spambot. Dont mail support@oftc.net with questions. (2014-09-11 01:05:35)]
21:06<themill>T00RT00R: so you probably want to ask in #kali-linux on irc.freenode.net
21:06<PEB>huh, don't know kali
21:06<T00RT00R>but kali is debian :p
21:06<themill>T00RT00R: well debian does not produce that output...
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21:06<peter1138>dpkg, kali
21:06<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
21:06<PEB>full ack
21:07-!-mode/#debian [+l 659] by debhelper
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21:16<terravires>SamB, I have a RAID1 (md) setup on md/0 with /boot. It also gives me that on md/1 which is raid10 root, both give me that error.
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21:17<terravires>SamB, so ls -l (md/0)/ gives me the error
21:19<terravires>SamB, I'm using 4x 3TB drives with GPT (for 3TB) and UEFI mb. This is a fresh install using uefi installer, but I had to manually install grub-efi in chroot. (installed without errors)
21:19<SamB_laptop>where did you get the parenthesized bit?
21:20<terravires>this is from grub rescue prompt
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21:20<terravires>so ls shows all the devices
21:20<SamB_laptop>also, what bootloader did the installer try to give you?
21:20<terravires>according to the logs, it tried lilo and failed, but the error from auto install bootloader was grub-efi failed to install to /target
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21:21<terravires>I had to chroot, aptitude install grub-efi-amd64 (and a bunch of other deps)
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21:21<terravires>it then installed, saw a bunch of EUFI lines and verified that I had files in /boot/efi/debian/*
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21:22<terravires>grub-install /dev/sda completed successfully, so I rebooted and got grub> rescue prompt. And that's where I get the unknown filesystem problems
21:22<SamB_laptop>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Software_RAID_and_LVM#Boot_loader might be relevant?
21:22<DrZaius>is it possible to run 3 monitors at the same time? 2 via the gpu, and 1 via the onboard gpu? (not sure if genious or crazy)
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21:23<terravires>SamB_laptop, could be the metadata version, but that page suggests using another boot loader
21:24<SamB_laptop>DrZaius: not sure if one X session can drive all of those, and you might have trouble getting the BIOS not to interfere ...
21:24<DrZaius>SamB_laptop: 2 X session would work for me as well :>
21:25<DrZaius>Actually, I already run 2X sessions and I move with ctrl alt 7 and 8
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21:25<SamB_laptop>basically what you want from the BIOS is for it not to disable either adapter
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21:26<DrZaius>I see
21:26<DrZaius>I could use more pixels in a third cheap monitor
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21:27<terravires>SamB_laptop, I also have the extra required partitions (1x bios reserved and 1x fat32 EUFI)
21:28<terravires>SamB_laptop, according to your link, it says grub supports those features but just needs the extra partitions (that I have)
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21:30<terravires>SamB_laptop, according to the reading I've done, grub core.img lives in the 1mb bios partition, then UEFI uses the fat32 firmware to boot grub, that boots the initrd and loads up raid1 (md/0) that is /boot. (Theory anyway)
21:30<SamB_laptop>terravires: so, um, are (md/0) and (md/1) actually just LVM PVs?
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21:30<terravires>SamB_laptop, md/0 is a ext3, md/1 is lvm + crypto + ext4 root.
21:31<SamB_laptop>terravires: hmm, sounds like someone has an interesting definition of "reserved"
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21:31<SamB_laptop>you do realize that the PV is not an FS though, right?
21:32<terravires>SamB_laptop, there is no lvm on md/0, it's raid + ext3
21:32<terravires>there is a lvm (pv + vg + lg) on md/1
21:32<SamB_laptop>yeah, so it's a bit strange you'd get that message for md/0 ...
21:33<terravires>some of the docs I found say you need to insmod mdraid (but that fails for me) I can insmod raid, ext2, part_gpt, etc. but not mdraid
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21:34<SamB_laptop>oh, so this "reserved" partition is actually reserved for use analogous to that of the nebulously reserved sectors after an MBR
21:35<terravires>sorta, there is no MBR since it's GPT. It's 1mb unused + 1mb reserved (not formatted) where grub installs core.img
21:36<SamB_laptop>I said "analogous"
21:36<terravires>:)
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21:36<terravires>I have to use GPT since the drives are >2TB
21:36<SamB_laptop>the important thing is really not the lack of an MBR so much as the fact that there aren't implicitly reserved sectors at/near the beginning of the disk ;-)
21:36<terravires>plus UEFI only really likes GPT partitions
21:37<terravires>well MBR has a limit of 2TB because of the legacy heads/cyl/sec format. That's one thing GPT fixed.
21:37<SamB_laptop>well, it sounds like grub really just needs a place to stash enough of the bootloader to be able to load the rest of the bootloader ...
21:38<terravires>that is my understanding of it, yes.
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21:38<terravires>stage 1.5 I think
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21:39<SamB_laptop>the manual did seem to compare core.img with stage 1.5
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21:39<terravires>been reading and trying things (re-installs and different partition setups) for days now. :-/
21:40<terravires>so close at this point. lol But still won't boot
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21:43<terravires>not sure what else to try at this point. Any other suggestions?
21:43<SamB_laptop>terravires: so, /boot is that fat32 partition I guess?
21:43<terravires>samb, no /boot is ext3 (ext2 for grub), UEFI is a fat32 as per spec (64mb)
21:43<SamB_laptop>oh
21:43<Fakeboost>I need a program to open a file from another computer connected via SSH, how to I do that?(from terminal)
21:44<SamB_laptop>terravires: but I guess grub must be managing to read from /boot
21:44<SamB_laptop>or it wouldn't likely be capable of providing you with a CLI at all ...
21:44<terravires>SamB, no, that is the fs it cannot read. (unknown filesystem)
21:44<SamB_laptop>oh
21:44<terravires>SamB_laptop, that is from the core.img I think
21:45<SamB_laptop>maybe core.img needs more modules then?
21:46<terravires>not sure, or even how. I've done initrd rebuilds over the years. Those are easy enough
21:46<SamB_laptop>terravires: you had every partition mounted at install time? what paths did you use for them?
21:46<SamB_laptop>grub install time, I mean
21:46<terravires>SamB_laptop, yes all where mounted correctly when I manually installed grub-efi
21:46<terravires>btw, grub-efi is fork of grub-pc (bios mode)
21:47<SamB_laptop>I
21:47<SamB_laptop>I'm assuming grub-pc is unworkable with your firmware?
21:48<terravires>I was under the impression from reading that my non-bios UEFI needed grub-efi, and not sure if grub-pc supports gpt boot partitions
21:50<terravires>it's a brand new board, asus b85m-e. I did disabled secure boot which causes problems. But it's still an EFI board.
21:50<SamB_laptop>I'm under the impression that BIOS/GPT booting is a thing, but of course if your firmware doesn't support the BIOS interfaces at all then you won't be able to do it ...
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21:51<terravires>plus these drives are 4k and IIRC bios mode uses legacy 512b sectors
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21:53<terravires>the debian netinstall cd seems to work in EFI mode, and the grub-efi install "seemed" to worked after I manually installed it
21:53<terravires>but I guess the question now is does debian grub-efi support md raid?
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21:54<SamB_laptop>terravires:
21:55<SamB_laptop>I'm not sure how relevant it is what size sectors BIOS uses; I'm under the impression disks started using larger sectors before they started telling OSes about that ...
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21:57<SamB_laptop>hmm, I guess GPT-on-BIOS doesn't even need BIOS support; it seems that GPT starts with a dummy MBR anyway
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21:58<terravires>there is no MBR space on most GPT, you need to manually add it (1mb) for core.img from my understanding
21:58<SamB_laptop>terravires: anyway, if I were you I'd explore the system's SETUP menus thoroughly before ruling out BIOS+GPT
21:59<terravires>I see a 1mb unused space at the start of my gpt
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21:59<SamB_laptop>terravires: the MBR itself is just 512 bytes, but the point is that you don't need the BIOS to understand GPT
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21:59<terravires>right, but you need grub-pc to read it. :)
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22:00<terravires>512 bootloader is grub, then core.img gets loaded from the (reserved space) that then loads /boot
22:00<SamB_laptop>pretty sure it could, though I haven't actually tried that
22:00<terravires>I just didn't know if grub-pc supported GPT
22:00<terravires>or if my bios will even work in full legacy mode like that
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22:01<terravires>luckly I'm not dual booting with windows or this would have to be efi. :)
22:01<SamB_laptop>the "BIOS installation" section in the manual looks promising, though, combined with not needing BIOS any the wiser ;-)
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22:02<terravires>I need to force the installer to use grub-pc instead of grub-efi, it auto-detected it on boot
22:04<SamB_laptop>and it doesn't have to be a very GOOD legacy mode; it just needs to be enough to run GRUB, afaik. As I understand things, Linux itself hasn't *needed* anything from BIOS for ages.
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22:04<SamB_laptop>why did you need to manually install grub-efi if that's what was installed automatically ...?
22:04<terravires>btw, is there any way to copy a drive's partition setup during install? would save some time
22:05<terravires>sorry, to be clear the installer booted into EFI mode
22:05<SamB_laptop>ah
22:05<terravires>it wanted to install grub-efi, so I need it to be legacy mode
22:05<SamB_laptop>I have no idea how that works; all I know is it sounds way more complicated than it has any business being :-9
22:05<SamB_laptop>er.
22:05<SamB_laptop>s/9/(/
22:06<terravires>I can't use sfdisk (what I used to use before) since only parted supports gpt
22:06<SamB_laptop>I seem to have a system with EFI support, but it's thankfully not mandatory
22:07<SamB_laptop>terravires: what do you mean by "copy the partition setup"?
22:07<terravires>all new Windows 8 boards MUST have EFI with secure boot enabled thanks to microshaft
22:07<SamB_laptop>you can tell the installer to load whatever udebs you want and then use the commandline, I expect
22:07<terravires>just copy the partition table setup from one drive to another
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22:08<SamB_laptop>terravires: yeah, I guess that would be the system that came with Win7 + Win8 disks and Win7 preinstalled, then ...
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22:09<terravires>I think the Q4 2013 boards are all going to be win8 meaning EFI + secure boot. I disabled secure boot but testing legacy efi now. the CSM compatibility part didn't work first try
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22:22<terravires>SamB_laptop, btw, any input if it's better to do lvl + crypto or crypto + lvl ?
22:22<terravires>er, mean lvm
22:23<SamB_laptop>not really
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22:25<terravires>seems that lvm + luks is better since you can add disks later if need.
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22:28<SamB_laptop>yeah, I was leaning in the "encrypt LVs, not PVs" direction too
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22:32<terravires>SamB_laptop, so to be clear, do I need that 1mb reserved bios partition for grub-pc?
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22:32<SamB_laptop>terravires: well I don't know where else it's going to keep core.img
22:33<terravires>I know I can skip the fat32 efi stuff, but not sure with grub-pc on gpt
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23:05<terravires>SamB_laptop, installed with grub-pc, in legacy mode, to MBR of /dev/sda and get "boot error" on booting.
23:05<SamB_laptop>:-(
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23:08<terravires>oddly enough installer gave no errors or problems. All went smooth
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23:32<terravires>so I've exhausted all possible install methods here. Nothing seems to work :(
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23:49<omixam>Hello, debian wheezy with gnome3 not reconize video drivers...
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