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---Logopened Wed Sep 17 00:00:13 2014
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00:08<centrx>Zyro, What does it do exactly?
00:09<centrx>Zyro, instant global filename search: install mlocate
00:09<jiggles>I'm trying to decide whether to create a root password on my new install. If I choose to not create root pw, and just use sudo, does that mean that if an attacker were to use a remote exploit to gain privileges of my regular user (without knowing my pw), that they could run anything via sudo if I had recently typed in my sudo pw?
00:09<jiggles>I'm referring to how sudo doesn't ask for your password again if you've used it within the last few minutes.
00:09<centrx>jiggles, that's only for the current terminal, no?
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00:09<Zyro>centrx, thx, lemme try it
00:10<jiggles>centrx, Yes, I believe that is correct.
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00:10<centrx>jiggles, that kind of exploit would be difficult to pull off and unlikely on a desktop machine
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00:11<centrx>jiggles, but I would create a root password for emergency rescue purposes, say sudo breaks from editing the sudoers config or something
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00:13<jiggles>centrx, That's a good point. But I'm just trying to avoid remembering 2 passwords, and I suppose in the case of losing access to sudo, I could always just use a livecd to mount the drive and edit the sudo config file
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00:14<jiggles>I'm curious though - you say that the kind of exploit I mentioned would be difficult and unlikely ... but not impossible? if it's possible, even if requiring a skilled attacker, I'd rather be safe and create the root pw
00:14<centrx>jiggles, I don't use sudo myself
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00:15<centrx>jiggles, it's more useful on systems with multiple administrators
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00:16<jiggles>centrx, Yes, for years I didn't use sudo, when I was running Gentoo ... when I switched to Debian a few years back, I decided to try sudo out, and suppose I have been enjoying the convenience ... but now that I'm doing a fresh install, and being faced with the choice again, I'm starting to have my doubts and wonder if there aren't some security issues w/ sudo (even if "unlikely")
00:17<centrx>jiggles, if someone has access to your desktop user, they can do enough damage without any access to sudo
00:18<centrx>enough to prevent you from logging in as your user instead of root :)
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00:22<jiggles>centrx, true true
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00:32<jiggles>Some other (unrelated) questions: I'm installing wheezy right now with encrypted LVM. (a) how long should it take to clear my 500gb drive? the progress bar has been stuck at 0% for more than 10 mins (b) I chose guided + use entire disk + separate /home dir ... later on, if I wanted to create a partitions Gentoo/BSD, it should be easy to resize with LVM, right?
00:32<jiggles>My sleep deprived brain is apparently losing it's ability to form English sentences ... that last bit was meant to say "later on, if I wanted to create partitions for Gentoo/BSD ..."
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01:28<Kuro>buenas noches
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02:03<SmitySmiter>hello guys, anyone know how to or if it's possible to autodownload missing wine DLLs?
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03:35<paparsifal>hi there
03:35<paparsifal>is there any procmail guru that can help me with a strange problem with a recipe ?
03:36<jm_>i doubt i would be able to help, i used it actively a long time ago, now it's just reusing those old rules
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03:37<paparsifal>well my rule seems to work
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03:37<paparsifal>it's showing as executed in procmail log
03:37<paparsifal>but it is supposed to send an email, and the email is never sent
03:38<jm_>send it how?
03:38<paparsifal>i was wondering if there was an interactive mode for procmail to see if there's any hidden error messages
03:38<paparsifal>it is send via sendmail
03:38<paparsifal>if i run the command line manually
03:38<paparsifal>it works perfectly
03:39<paparsifal>i've tried with postfix user to see if it could be a right issue
03:39<paparsifal>but it works also
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03:43<paparsifal>ok nevermind
03:43<paparsifal>i've find out the problem
03:43<paparsifal>thanks for the help jm_ ^^
03:43<jm_>no problem, i didn't do anything anyway
03:43<paparsifal>my procmailrc was missing a SHELL = entry
03:44<paparsifal>sometimes just explaining the problem lead to solutions ^^
03:45<jm_>interesting, I use formail and sendmail in rc too and I don't need SHELL set
03:45<paparsifal>i didn't needed it too
03:46<paparsifal>but it seems that something in my command needed it
03:46<paparsifal>maybe the 'cat'
03:46<paparsifal>or the ';'
03:46<jm_>yeah perhaps strace would reveal the answer, but no point now
03:47<paparsifal>thanx for your time anyway
03:47<paparsifal>have a nice day
03:47<jm_>you too
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04:26<shinigami69>hey guys, can anyone tell me how to install tlp on kali?
04:26<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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04:27<shinigami69>ok sorry
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04:42<daswort>hi, on my debian machine the LXC containers don't get an IP and i can't get one from inside the container via "ip address add dev eth0". I get the following error: RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted
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05:28<daswort>The problem doesn't exist anymore. Ignore my previous post :)
05:32<peter1138>bah, on my triple screen set up, whenever something tries to change the resultion and go fullscreen (sdl etc) it... crashes, and leaves the displays messed up :(
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05:50<somiaj>peter1138: what graphics driver/method are you using to set up the monintors?
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06:36<bluenemo>hi guys. a design question: I'm writing on a rsync backup script for some servers and local workstations. I want to have backups on the local machine (save bandwith and more speed than over the network) and on a backup server. Would you trigger the backup (want to use cron) from the backup server (pull files from clients) or on the client (post files to backup server)?
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06:39<bluenemo>or in general: should the client being backuped initiate the backup script (and push to the backup server) or should the backup server itself login to the client and pull backups?
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07:03<SmitySmiter>hey, I have a 50GB FAT partition, which I need to mount automatically (while booting or while logging in). could someone please tell me how?
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07:03<SmitySmiter>I have the following entry in fstab : /dev/sda4 /media/common vfat auto 0 0
07:03<SmitySmiter>which works fine, but I don't have permission to change anything
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07:05<jensp>SmitySmiter: you should add an option like uid=1000 (1000 being the userid of your main user) if you want users other than root to use it
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07:05<SmitySmiter>could you please show the final command?
07:05<SmitySmiter>do add UID in the beginning or somewhere between? :-/
07:06<jensp>/dev/sda4 /media/common vfat auto,uid=1000 0 0
07:06<jensp>the 4th field in fstab specifies the mount options
07:06<jensp>to find out your users id type "id"
07:06<SmitySmiter>ah, thank you
07:07<SmitySmiter>should I logout and login again for the changes to reflect?
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07:08<jensp>SmitySmiter: no, you have to remount the filesystem, try mount -o remount /media/common
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07:10<SmitySmiter>thank you jensp, that worked perfect ^_^
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07:15<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
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07:19<panos>has anybody tried to ssh-over-irc ?
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07:19<ixi>why would you want to do that
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07:20<panos>i want to ssh in a machine behind NAT. my machine is also behind NAT
07:24<weasel>behind the same nat?
07:24<weasel>maybe you want to run a tor hidden service for your ssh service.
07:24<ixi>if you have a server with routable IP that's reachable from both
07:24<ixi>this is doable
07:25<ixi>ssh over irc (over a public irc network) probably is not feasible
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07:26<weasel>root@hedgei:~# tail -n2 /etc/tor/torrc
07:26<weasel>HiddenServiceDir /var/lib/tor/hidden_service/ssh
07:26<weasel>HiddenServicePort 22
07:26<ixi>thats one way to do it, too
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07:30<Volley>... actually: since my provider is about to force nat on me somewhen soon i should think about how to solve that myself ...
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07:33<ixi>buy a $10/month vps with tun/tap support and setup vpn
07:34<panos>so i put these 2 lines in torrc and that's it?
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07:35<weasel>panos: then you can ssh to the other host using its .onion name.
07:35<panos>don't have a server with public ip
07:35<weasel>on the client:
07:35<weasel>weasel@defiant:~$ tail -n2 .ssh/config
07:35<weasel>Host *.onion
07:35<weasel> ProxyCommand nc -xlocalhost:9050 -X5 %h %p
07:35<weasel>(and you need tor there too. but no config needed.)
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07:35<weasel>then, just weasel@defiant:~$ ssh root@2c.....onion
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07:35<weasel>Linux hedgei 3.2.0-4-mx5 #1 Debian 3.2.60-1+deb7u3 armv7l
07:37<weasel>(you can find the hostname in the directory you specify as HiddenServiceDir)
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07:39<dreamy_>i think my firewall is blocking skype..
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07:40<txt-file>dreamy_, I do not think so. Skype is very hard to block and if skype is blocked then nearly everything else is blocked too
07:41<dreamy_>i get the error, "server connect failed"
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07:46<dreamy_>i know it uses a port
07:46<valdyn>dreamy_: who configured that firewall?
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07:47<dreamy_>valdyn, no one, its generecly configured by the installation
07:47<dreamy_>im running a debian squeeze
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07:48<dreamy_>is the skype server down?
07:48<valdyn>dreamy_: squeeze has no firewall by default....
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07:49<dreamy_>what if the skype server is down?
07:49<valdyn>dreamy_: it isnt
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07:49<dreamy_>i get server connection error
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07:53<dreamy_>can anyone tell me a terminal command to give me a diagnoses of my firewall?
07:55<jm_>for filter table: iptables -L -n (and try /msg dpkg smart questions)
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08:01<petn-randall>dreamy_: "iptables -L -vn"
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09:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:13<pi>yeah installed a debian os on vmware but it did not work it was bouncing me to terminal
09:14<EmleyMoor>pi: How much memory did your VM have?
09:14<pi>i think 20gb
09:15<pi>i made a mistake also with my company pc and it did the same thing
09:15<EmleyMoor>pi: That's a heck of a lot!
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09:16<EmleyMoor>You've done a lot of very vague things there - can you be more specific?
09:16<pi>emleymoor: really?
09:16<oliver_>I feel like you need to find an error message or something, you haven't really given enough information
09:17<pi>ok let me elaborate
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09:17<EmleyMoor>I don't use more than 1GB in any of my virtual machines - besides, none of my real ones is currently that well off for memory
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09:18<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:18<cvr>I need some help with building a deb file
09:18<Maulkin>cvr: Try #debian-mentors :)
09:18<pi>i installed a debian os on my vmware workstation after the installation the did not open the grup it bounced me to the terminal
09:18<EmleyMoor>What "grup"?
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09:19<pi>like the interface
09:19<EmleyMoor>How is that a "grup"? What stage had it got to when it "bounced" you?
09:20<oliver_>pi: do you mean 'GRUB'? what did the terminal look like?
09:20<pi>yes oliver
09:20<EmleyMoor>So not even getting the boot loader?
09:20<pi>its dark oliver
09:20<pi>yes emleymoor
09:20<EmleyMoor>What, just plain "dark"?
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09:21<pi>yes plain with a place to write your commands
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09:21<pi>i tried startx but it was not working
09:21<EmleyMoor>pi: No prompt?
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09:22<pi>there was nothing just an ugly terminal
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09:22<EmleyMoor>When it was not working, did it give you an error message? Did it just sit sulking? Be SPECIFIC!
09:23<EmleyMoor>"an ugly terminal"? Can you be more specific and less artistic?
09:23<pi>there was no error message
09:23<pi>i am beign specific
09:23<EmleyMoor>But what *was* there?
09:23<EmleyMoor>"ugly" how?
09:24<pi>just a terminal it did not take me to the user interface
09:24<EmleyMoor>And what was on this "terminal"?
09:24<pi>like it does not look like your nomal terminal
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09:25<pi>the things on your nomal terminal
09:25<EmleyMoor>(note: the terminal is a user interface - maybe not the one you were expecting, but a user interface nonetheless)
09:25<peter1138>sounds like you installed debian, and it's working correctly
09:25<peter1138>sounds like you expected a graphical interface, but didn't install one yet
09:25<pi>yes i know ok let me just say it did not display any desktop activity
09:25<EmleyMoor>I've never seen a "nomal" terminal - as for a "normal" one, which I suspect you mean, what precisely do you consider normal?
09:26<EmleyMoor>When you did startx, what, exactly, happened? Count screen flashes, messages and the prompt returning as something, not "nothing"...
09:26<pi>yes peterll38
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09:27<pi>emleymoor: it did not start anything but it the error message was that startx cannot work
09:27<EmleyMoor>"startx cannot work"?
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09:28<pi>yes emley
09:28<EmleyMoor>What, it was those exact words, nothing else?
09:29<pi>i have foegotten and i am not with the pc at the moment
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09:29<peter1138>probably something along the lines of command not found
09:29<EmleyMoor>I hate troubleshooting other people's problems "blind" - but hate even more trying to do it "double blind"
09:30<pi> i dont get you emleymoor
09:31<EmleyMoor>I can't see your screen from here - and it seems you can't see it at the moment either.
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09:32<pi>but have you experience that type of problem before
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09:35<peter1138>come back when you are able to try resolving it
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09:35<pi>i have tried so many time but it seems to not work
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09:37<burann>What do people use for automatic package upgrades on say a weekly basis ?
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09:38<rudi_s>burann: apticron
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09:38<rudi_s>Well, it notifies about updates.
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09:39<Nikon>so uhh
09:39<EmleyMoor>pi: I haven't identified the type of your problem
09:40<EmleyMoor>Gone anyway
09:40<Nikon>that doesn't have any actual info on upgrading
09:40<rudi_s>burann: If you just want to update, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -y in a crontab should work fine.
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09:41<burann>Thanks rudi_s , this is kind of new to me
09:42<burann>After +20 years on Windows, I installed Debian yesterday *weee*
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09:48<rudi_s>burann: But if this is a "normal client" you work on a daily basis, you can also just perform the updates manually.
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09:48<bonyhoax>Hello! I'm stupidely struggling with the access rights of my external hard drive. I want to create a simple storage disk. Nothing special. I used GParted to format it. The first problem I had was the number of partition tables available. I don't know what to choose. I chose gpt, but I don't know if it's a good choice. Then, I created a ext4 partiton. Is it the good options? Anyway, I did it but then I can't right on the disc, except on root. How ca
09:48<rudi_s>Subscribe to debian-security-announce to get all relevant security updates and then update them.
09:48<bonyhoax>n set the rights for everyone to right on it?
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09:49<bonyhoax>*I can't write...
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09:51<AndroUser>Hello you can help me ?
09:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
09:51<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Simple solution: mkdir /mnt/whatever/user ; chown user:user /mnt/whatever/user - where user is the user name of the user which should be able to write to the disk.
09:52<rudi_s>(/mnt/whatever/user is the path to the mount point of the ext4.)
09:52<rudi_s>ext4 and gpt is fine. But will only work for linux systems.
09:53<AndroUser>I can't install ATI drivers
09:53<SynrG>AndroUser: on which release of Debian? and using the drivers from the ATI site or from Debian?
09:53<bonyhoax>rudi_s, thanks. First question: If I want to use it in any system, is it the 'ms-dos' part table, and Fat32 partition?
09:54<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Yeah.
09:54<bonyhoax>rudi_s, And second question: if I use this second option for any system, does the solution you proposed still applies?
09:54<rudi_s>bonyhoax: No. If you use fat32 you can mount the disk so it's writable by any user (fat32 doesn't have permissions).
09:55<AndroUser>From fglrx driver after using aticong --initial after reboot xorg don't start
09:55<bonyhoax>rudi_s, Well, right now, my disk is on Fat32 (because I tried different options, this is the last I tried). And I still can't write on it...
09:56<SynrG>AndroUser: at, put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
09:56<dpkg>nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
09:56<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Yeah, you need to tell mount to mount it as your user.
09:56<bonyhoax>rudi_s, Mhmm... ok.. How do I do that?
09:57<rudi_s>If you use a desktop environment (like Gnome) it should happen automatically.
09:57<rudi_s> If not, you can mount it with mount -o uid=your-uid-here,gid=your-gid-here ...
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09:57<rudi_s>Use id as normal user to get the uid and gid.
09:57<AndroUser>How can read log if xorg don't start ?
09:58<bonyhoax>rudi_s, I don't know if its mounted. I can access it, read the files. I just can't modify anything.
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09:59<bonyhoax>rudi_s, Under GParted, the option 'unmount' is available. This seems to indicate that my disk is mounted.
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09:59<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Type mount in a terminal to see if it's mounted.
10:00<rudi_s>Look for lines like /mnt/foo or /media/..
10:00<bonyhoax>is it that? :
10:00<bonyhoax>/dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type vfat (rw,nodev,noexec,noatime,nodiratime,sync,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
10:01<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Yes.
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10:02<bonyhoax>rudi_s, I just have no idea what this line mean...
10:02<rudi_s>Something like mount -o remount,uid=1000,gid=1000 /media/usb0 should make it writable by the first user created on a debian system.
10:05<bonyhoax>rudi_s, Mhmm.. it doesn't seem to work...
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10:08<SynrG>AndroUser: login to the console
10:09<SynrG>AndroUser: and as i gave in a tip, use nopaste (install libapp-nopaste-perl) to send the file to
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10:10<pi>any one
10:11<pi>anyone here?
10:12<towo`>only 679 bots
10:12<SynrG>obviously there are hundreds here. do you have a debian support question?
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10:13<pi>yes i came here the first time but there was no answer to my problem
10:13<pi>towo: i know you are also a bot
10:13<ToBeFree>"/who #debian" gives you a nice long list of "anyone"^^
10:14<ToBeFree>also, if you still need help, feel free to ask again, I'd say! :)
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10:14<bonyhoax>rudi_s, your solution didn't work, unfortunately. I don't know if it's relevant, but I noticed that my /mount/ directory is empty. Is it the cause of the problem?
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10:15<Maulkin>pi: Are you in front of the computer you're having problems with now?
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10:17<rudi_s>bonyhoax: No. How exactly didn't it work?
10:17<sney>nb: "pi" is the default user account in raspbian
10:17<Maulkin>Ah, thanks.
10:18<bonyhoax>rudi_s, Well, I typed the command you proposed, but I still can't write on my disk.
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10:19<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Which uid has your user (use the id command)? And how does the mount output for /dev/sdb1 now look like?
10:19<rudi_s>(I don't use fat, so I'm not sure if this will work.)
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10:20<bonyhoax>rudi_s, Well, actually, I think it will maybe be more simple if I format it only for linux. I don't really need any other system to use this disk.
10:20<cha0z>hi i have an 64bit laptop with good specs and i am plannign to setup debian unstable or testing, what iso I must download? netinst stable and after to switch to testing?
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10:23<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Works too.
10:23<cha0z>is this the right iso ?
10:24<bonyhoax>rudi_s, Ok. I just did it. 'gpt' table and ext4 partition. But as said before, I can't write on it, except on root. Can I set an access to anyone?
10:24<bonyhoax>(or at least the current user, because I'm the only one to use the disk/computer)
10:25<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Read again what I wrote in the beginning.
10:25<trico>you probably need to make a folder on that partition as root, then chown it to whoever you want to write to it
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10:28<bonyhoax>Sorry but I don't understand your suggestions. You proposed to mkdir /mnt/whatever/user. What is this 'whaterver' folder ? Where should I create it? On the disk, as proposed by trico?
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10:29<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Yes. /mnt/whatever means wherever you mounted the disk.
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10:29<rudi_s>So in your case it's mkdir /media/usb0/work; chown $USER:$USER /media/usb0/work - where $USER will be replaced by your shell with your current username.
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10:32<Eremiell>wtf? nickserv down?
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10:33<bonyhoax>I just did, but I still don't have permission to write inside that new folder with my user
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10:34<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Run ls -al /path/to/this/directory
10:34<rudi_s>And show us the result.
10:35<bonyhoax>drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 sep 17 16:30 .
10:35<bonyhoax>drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 sep 17 16:30 ..
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10:35<Eremiell>bonyhoax: you need to sudo chown it.
10:36<rudi_s>bonyhoax: You forgot to chown it.
10:36<bonyhoax>Eremiell, I did.
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10:36<Eremiell>try -R
10:36<rudi_s>Eremiell: No.
10:36<Eremiell>shouldn;t be needed, but no other ide
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10:36<rudi_s>bonyhoax: So you did run chown $USER:$USER /media/usb0/work ?
10:36<Eremiell>rudi_s: if it's an empty folder, why not?
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10:37<rudi_s>Eremiell: Because it doesn't make sense to run commands which will have no effect.
10:37<Guest16>rudi_s: you know exactly, how that's coded?
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10:37<bonyhoax>rudi_s, Yes, I just did it again. No change.
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10:39<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Ah, I'm stupid ...
10:39<Eremiell>bonyhoax: no error message? what "echo $?" says?
10:39<rudi_s>bonyhoax: Run echo $USER as your normal user and then run chown user:user /media/usb0/work which user replaced by that value.
10:40<rudi_s>(The problem with that command was that you were running the command chown root:root, because $USER was root obviously, sorry for that.)
10:40<bonyhoax>Eremiell, it returns 0.
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10:40<Eremiell>bonyhoax: that mean no error.
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10:41<Eremiell>rudi_s: was curious about that part, but sudo does strange handling of usernames and userspaces, so wasn;t sure about that one...
10:41<bonyhoax>It worked!
10:41<rudi_s>Eremiell: If he ran that with sudo it would've worked.
10:41<bonyhoax>I never thought it would be so hard to simply use a external hard drive though :)
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10:42<dreamy_>how do i update from squeeze to wheezy?
10:42<Eremiell>rudi_s: that's what I suggested and was said he tried :)
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10:42<Eremiell>dreamy_: as per topic: /msg dpkg squeeze->wheezy
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10:47<dreamy_>Eremiell, can you help me out on this? i cant understand what the bot says, can i just press a upgrade button? like in ubuntu?
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10:52<Eremiell>dreamy_: no, you need to edit some config files and only then your normal upgrade methods will work
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10:52<Eremiell>dreamy_: I can assist you with this, but there's no big red button
10:53<Brigo>dreamy_, read chapter 4 from:
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10:55<dreamy_>Eremiell, and Brigo thats ok, im following web instructions from souceforge, im going to change my sould apt sources list
10:56<zub>Hi. I'd like to instal simple-scan:i386 on amd64. But simple-scan:i386 depends on gnome-icon-theme:i386 and aptitude tells me it's unavailable.
10:56<Eremiell>dreamy_: yup, that's the right one. it's really simple. once you do it once, the next time will be no brainer.
10:56<petn-randall>dreamy_: Debian has it documented, if you're following something on sourceforge it might be the wrong way.
10:56<zub>Is gnome-icon-theme really arch specific? I don't see it containing anything arch-specific
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10:57<bonyhoax>All right. Now I have another issue, but I'm not sure it's really debian related. I can write on my disk, but veeery slowly. It should be USB3, but if I transfer files from interal disk to the external one, the speed transfer is less than 1Mo/s. Shouldn't it be like 10 times more?
10:57<zub>Is it perhaps a bug in simple-scan:i386's deps? should it just depend on gnome-icon-theme?
10:57<dreamy_>petn-randall, can you link me to some official debian web documentation?
10:57<Eremiell>bonyhoax: is both your drive and the port you put it in USB3?
10:57<petn-randall>dreamy_: Brigo gave you the link.
10:58<dreamy_>its all a mather of new packages..
10:59<bonyhoax>Eremiell, Yes it is. When I transfered the files the other way around, it took 15mn for 52Go. Not, to put it back in, it takes like 16 hours.
10:59<petn-randall>dreamy_: You can always doing it the "Ubuntu way", but just like in Ubuntu, if the upgrade fails and you haven't prepared you'll end up pulling a long face.
11:00<Eremiell>bonyhoax: you can be bottlenecked by drive on either side, it's reading or writing speed.
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11:00<dreamy_>does the hardware comptabilty changes?
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11:00<zub> - so is gnome-icon-theme arch-indenendent?
11:01<zub>(I would expect it to be, but I just want to know if I read it correctly)
11:01<Brigo>dreamy_, as far as you get a new kernel you get more hardware compatibility with new hardware.
11:01<bonyhoax>Eremiell, How can I know the theoretical speed of my external drive?
11:01<Brigo>zub, if you mean arch-independent, yes.
11:02<zub>Brigo: yes, thank you
11:02<Eremiell>bonyhoax: there should be some specs sheet in the box or on manufacturers website
11:02<dreamy_>Brigo, yes, what about my oldware, you just sayd id be getting even more comptability?
11:02<zub>Brigo: so why does simple-scan:i386 depend on gnome-icon-theme:i386? that seems to not exist
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11:03<bonyhoax>But it means that I potentially can't write on a external disk at a higher speed than 1Mo/s?
11:03<bonyhoax>It seems very slow.
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11:04<dreamy_>petn-randall, if i do it the debian way if something fails, ill continue with a system working?
11:04<Brigo>zub, i do not know but gnome-icon-theme is for all architectures: apt-cache show gnome-icon-theme|grep Architecture
11:04<Brigo>Architecture: all
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11:05<Eremiell>bonyhoax: that seems slow to me. try to check the factsheet.
11:05<zub>$ apt-cache depends simple-scan:i386 | grep gnome-icon-theme
11:05<zub>Depends: <gnome-icon-theme:i386>
11:06<Brigo>zub, so you cannot install simple-scan?
11:06<zub>Brigo: yes, aptitude tells me: simple-scan:i386 depends on gnome-icon-theme:i386 [UNAVAILABLE]
11:07<bonyhoax>Eremiell, It says : Transfer Rate: Up to 5 Gb/s
11:07<zub>Brigo: (just the motivation) I need the 386 version because I need to use some proprietary evil 32-bit only scanner driver... so I have sane i368 and scanimage works OK, but I'd like to use simple-scan
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11:08<zub>and 64bit simple-svan doesn't seem to talk to 32bit sane
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11:08<Eremiell>bonyhoax: transfer it's write, but OK, let's assume, something is wrong. I'd try to umount it, udisks --detach it, plug it out and back in and try to remount it.
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11:10<Brigo>zub, i think i should be a bug in simple-scan, are you using stable?
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11:11<Brigo>zub, what version are you using?
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11:13<pir8teslife>does anyone know if there is a way to run irc via tor or some sort of proxy?
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11:13<bonyhoax>Eremiell, Sorry, I'm not familiar with these commands. You mean 'sudo umount /media/usb0/ ?
11:13<Apollo>pir8teslife: yes
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11:15<pir8teslife>is there something specific I can search for more detail or any suggestion?
11:15<Brigo>pir8teslife, i think you should run irc with tor.
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11:16<pir8teslife>i have tor installed, just wasnt familiar with it having irc
11:16<bonyhoax>Eremiell, I used the umount command, but 'udisks --detach /media/usb0/ gives me the error 'Device file /media/usb0/ is not a block device: Resource temporarily unavailable
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11:23<Cylus>pir8teslife: To run an IRC client over Tor, you need to do one of two things: either adjust the IRC client's proxy settings accordingly, or run the client through torsocks (which is not available to Windows users).
11:23<pir8teslife>ok great, thank you very much for that info
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11:24<pir8teslife>im under chat, under kali
11:25<Cylus>Okay, sweet. I'm in Xchat too. I'll find the settings page for you.
11:25<Eremiell>bonyhoax: yeah, you need to give an actual device to udisks. usually /dev/sd? where ? is the number of the disk. you can fnd out by calling mount without any parameters before umount or if you have only one ext disk attached, it will most likely be the last one.
11:25<Eremiell>*letter of the disk
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11:27<Cylus>pir8teslife: Settings > Preferences > Network Setup > Proxy Server: Set "Hostname" to "localhost", set "Port" to "9050", set "Type" to "Socks5", and set "Use proxy for" to "All Connections".
11:27<Cylus>Oh, drats. I was too late.
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11:35<zub>Brigo: sorry for delay; I'm using testing
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11:36<zub>Brigo: to me it also looks like a bug, either in simple-scan or perhaps some more generic issue
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11:37<Brigo>zub, what version of simple-scan are you using?
11:37<Brigo>zub, i think you are rigth about that.
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11:37<zub>Brigo: 3.13.91-1
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11:38<Brigo>are you with 64 or 32 bits?
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11:40<zub>Brigo: 64bit, and I'm trying to install 32bit version (reason: ugly proprietary 32bit scanner driver -> I need 32bit sane -> I need 32bit simple-scan)
11:40<Brigo>did you active multiarch?
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11:40<zub>I wonder if installing 32bit simple-scan on 32bit system works. I'd expect it to work. If so, it's some multi-arch evilness
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11:41<zub>Brigo: I think so, I managed to successfully install sane:i386 etc.
11:41<zub>and I see the :i386 packages in aptitude
11:41<Brigo>so dpkg --print-foreign-architectures list i386 ...
11:42<zub>$ dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
11:45<dondelelcaro>zub: you should be able to install the 32 bit versions of those
11:46<dondelelcaro>zub: but you can't have both the 32 bit version of non-libraries and the 64 bit version
11:46<Brigo>zub, i have tried to install the package in my own system with the same error.
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11:46<zub>Brigo: so, is ti a bug in simple-scan, or some über bug in multiarch handling?
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11:47<dondelelcaro>zub: is gnome-icon-theme installed?
11:47<Brigo>dondelelcaro, the problem looks like a dependecy problem: simple-scan depends on gnome-icon-theme:i386 but it is not exist
11:47<dondelelcaro>gnome-icon-theme is arch: all, so it's possble that it doesn't have the right logic to satisfy multi-arch dependencies
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11:50<dondelelcaro>it should probably be Multi-Arch: foreign, but is not currently
11:50<zub>so it's a bug in gnome-icon-theme?
11:50<dondelelcaro>but a wishlist one, I believe
11:50<zub>that makes me a sad panda
11:51<dondelelcaro>you can work around it temporarily by repacking gnome-icon-theme as Multi-Arch: foreign, and installing it IIUC.
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11:51<zub>how difficult would be fixing this? is it just a single line in control file?
11:52<dondelelcaro>zub: yep
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11:52<dondelelcaro>you can see for a similar bug in one of my packages which I still have yet to fix
11:53<zub>dondelelcaro: ok, so I will (try to) file a wishlist bug like that for gnome-icon-theme
11:53<zub>perhaps I should first check if it's been reported already
11:53<dondelelcaro>zub: I didn't see it, but yes, please do both.
11:54<zub>w.r.t. workaround - could I just tell apt "gnome-icon-theme:i386" is installed?
11:54<zub>iirc there's a way to make apt believe some package is installed
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11:56<dondelelcaro>zub: it's architecture all
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11:56<zub>OK, so I will do what you proposed. thank you
11:56<dondelelcaro>zub: the idea behind multi-arch: foreign is that it tells apt that installing the all package will satisfy a dependency on gnome-icon-themes from an i386 package
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11:57<dondelelcaro>zub: it's possible that that's not actually the case for gnome-icon-themes... but hopefully it is
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11:58<zub>hm... I'm confused already by arch: all vs. any... I thought all = can be built for all, but the result is arch-dependent, and any = result is the same (e.g. not compiled, like python, or doc or...)
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11:59<zub>and gnome-icon-theme looks to contain icons, and doc, which is not compiled. then there is one .pc file; I wonder what is that useful for taking into account it's icon theme, but nevertheless, it doesn't seem arch dependent either (from a cursory look)
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12:06<valdyn>zub: gnome-icon-theme:i386 is the same package as gnome-icon-theme:amd64
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12:11<zub>valdyn: so, shouldn't gnome-icon-theme's control say: Architecture: any ?
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12:12<zub>uaaaaa now I see it, I just switche the any and all
12:12<mgv>zub: arch:all means 'result does not depend on architecture'
12:12<zub>yes now I see it, sorry :(
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12:13<petn-randall>dreamy_: Chances are, yes. But the "Debian way" is also not to rely on promises of others, but to also have a contingency plan ("backups").
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12:14<zub>btw. when you the situation happen that a package would have Architecture: all AND Multi-Arch: foreign would not work?
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12:20<dondelelcaro>zub: I'm not 100% certain, but I believe it happens when a package depends on foo:all and foo depends on bar:i386 to work.
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12:20<dondelelcaro>zub: but perhaps even that has been checked in multiarch; I'm just not sure
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12:56<DrDamnit>How do I associate a file type to be opened with a specific program (.php files -> sublime text, for example)?
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13:02<DrDamnit>Right-Click > Properties > Open With doesn't show sublime text. I assume this is a file association problem?
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13:29<sylar>what to do about this error: zmwatch[13119]: ERR [Can't get shared memory id '7a6d000f', 15: No such file or directory] ?
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13:31<centrx>sylar, What have you done so far?
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13:32<sylar>that ^
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13:34<centrx>sylar, yeah that's similar to what I found, doesn't work I guess?
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13:35<sylar>doesn't work
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13:41<supaman>sylar: googling a bit shows me that /dev/video[0-something] have to have owner root and group something else that the user www-data has access to (, is this so in your case?
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13:42<sylar>supaman, mine has root:video and I added video to ww-data
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13:43<supaman>ok, that is cleared out of the way then
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13:47<supaman>and when resizing the shared memory you edited the /etc/sysctl.conf and echoed to /proc/sys/kernel/shm[max/all]?
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13:48<supaman>and rebooted after editing /etc/sysctl.conf
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13:48<sylar>I didn't reboot
13:49<sylar>and I commented sysctl
13:49<sylar>because I wasn't sure if it help
13:49<supaman>did you chance the small and shmax in /proc by echoing new values to it?
13:50<sylar>I echoed new values to /proc yes
13:51<supaman>and that had no effect, hmmm ... then I don't know what this could be
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14:03<alumno_>alguien sabe como hago para ver netflix co debian???
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14:50<dotut>hello i made a change to a disk's HPA using hdparm. Which ioctl can I use to trigger the kernel to refresh the new disk size without having to physically reseat the drive
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14:51<peter1138>anyone have a favourite easy to use dvd transcoder? purely for archive to nas
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14:55<sylar>what is the cgi dir in debian?
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15:09<Kureyslii>END TIMES hadith
15:09<Kureyslii>There comes a time, then the Muslims do today if I did that one-tenth of worship, is freed from the punishment of the Hereafter. Prophet Muhammad s.a.v.
15:09<Kureyslii>A time it commanded you that you are leaving one-tenth of the world would be destroyed. Then it will come a time when he commanded the self gets rid of that one-tenth of Muhammad pbuh
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15:18<FelixS3e>Hi @All. I have a question regarding msktutil building from src. I am on wheezy and trying to build the latest Version from the msktutil HP but it fails at the point where ./configure is not able to find the krb5.h
15:18<SamB_laptop>hmm, what's /etc/bash.bashrc ?
15:18<FelixS3e>any idea on this?
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15:19<trico>from source? blaphemy!
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15:19<trico>krb5.h is probably in kerberos-dev or something like that
15:19<FelixS3e>already got that package instaleld
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15:20<SamB_laptop>,apt-file search krb5.h
15:20<FelixS3e>i have an krb5.h on my system under ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-krb5dir=/usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae/include/config/rpcsec/gss/
15:20<trico>when you do locate krb5.h what do you get?
15:21<trico>maybe that config script is broken, looking in the wrong location
15:21<FelixS3e>thats the options i invoke configure witch
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15:22<SamB_laptop>,file krb5.h
15:22<judd>Search for krb5.h in wheezy/i386: heimdal-dev: usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_krb5.h, usr/include/krb5.h; libkrb5-dev: usr/include/gssapi/gssapi_krb5.h, usr/include/krb5.h, usr/include/krb5/krb5.h; libgss-dev: usr/include/gss/krb5.h; krb5-multidev: usr/include/mit-krb5/gssapi/gssapi_krb5.h, usr/include/mit-krb5/krb5.h, usr/include/mit-krb5/krb5/krb5.h; heimdal-multidev:
15:22<judd>usr/include/heimdal/gssapi/gssapi_krb5.h, usr/include/heimdal/krb5.h; linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common: usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common/include/linux/sunrpc/gss_krb5.h; linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common-rt: usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-4-common-rt/include/linux/sunrpc/gss_krb5.h; linux-headers-3.2.0-4-486: usr/src/linux-headers-3.2.0-4-486/include/config/rpcsec/gss/krb5.h; linux-headers-3.2.0-4-686-pae: (1 more message)
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15:25<FelixS3e>yes i get similar results :D then how can i put the file to use ? edit the config script ?
15:27<FelixS3e>just symlink it to somwhere in my $PATH `?
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15:49<loudaslife>Trying to install grub, but apt tries to install grub-legacy instead. "Note, selecting 'grub-legacy' instead of 'grub'" Why?
15:49<Apollo>Because you want grub2
15:50<Apollo>or grub-legacy
15:50<loudaslife>I though "grub" defaulted to grub2 though
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15:50<Apollo>No idea on that one :)
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15:57<devil>Apollo: what does: aptitude why grub-legacy tell you?
15:58<devil>err, loudaslife
15:58<loudaslife>"Unable to find a reason to install grub-legacy."
15:59<loudaslife>But that might be because I just installed grub2
15:59<loudaslife>Anyway, I've got a different problem
15:59<loudaslife>I keep getting "cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/hda"
15:59<loudaslife>grub-mkdevicemap doesn't fix it
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16:02<sylar>what to do about this : dpkg: error processing slapd (--configure):
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16:04<devil>sylar: at the very least pastebin the whole output
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16:06<sylar>devil -
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16:09<devil>sylar: ähm, is that the oldest version you could find? ;)
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16:09<devil>even stable has 2.4.31
16:09<devil>sylar: your version is very old
16:10<sylar>I know
16:10<sylar>every debian version is very old
16:10<sylar>that's why it is so stable
16:10<devil>your seems to be lenny. mine is sid. not old.
16:10<sylar>I run squeeze
16:11<devil>how come the version of slapd to be installed is from lenny?
16:11<sylar>this packages must have not been upgraded to squeeze right
16:11<ompaul>,v slapd
16:11<judd>Package: slapd on i386 -- squeeze: 2.4.23-7.3; wheezy: 2.4.31-1+nmu2; sid: 2.4.39-1.1+b1; jessie: 2.4.39-1.1+b1
16:11<ompaul>sylar: run wheezy please
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16:11<sylar>ompaul I don't like the new gnome
16:12<devil>there is many many more DEs
16:12<sylar>I like the old gnome
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16:12<devil>well, I cannot help with this
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16:13<ompaul>nor i
16:13<sylar>why not?
16:13<ompaul>too old
16:13<ompaul>mostly forgotten stuff
16:13<sylar>you need more ram
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16:14<sylar>isn't it a general knowledge, how to update a broken package?
16:15<devil>sylar: in general: provide nodomain.ldif or edit postinst
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16:15<loudaslife>Well, looks like windows screwed over my bootloader.
16:15<devil>loudaslife: it does that.
16:15<sylar>how about unistalling that package and then installing it?
16:15<loudaslife>"/usr/sbin/grub-bios-setup: warning: this LDM has no Embedding Partition; embedding won't be possible."
16:15<sylar>would that help?
16:15<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
16:16<ompaul>sylar: we won't support lenny
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16:16<ompaul>you have made your bed have a nice snooze :)
16:16<sylar>it isn't lenny ompaul
16:16<sylar>it is squeeze
16:16<sylar>I got one package from lenny there that doesn't want to be upgraded
16:16<ompaul>sylar: look at the error message - you are trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze
16:17<ompaul>sylar: slapd schemas may have changed you could have all sorts of fun
16:17<sylar>yes... what is wrong with upgrading?
16:17<sylar>isn't that what you want me to do? upgrade?
16:17<devil>and that is why supporting this is nothing we like to do
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16:18<ompaul>create appropriate backups of your ldif and other things do a fresh install and see how much of your life time you save :)
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16:18<peter1138>(gnome and slapd? odd combination)
16:19<ompaul>peter1138: I have stranger :) but that's a whole other story
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16:20<sylar>I don't think I am using slapd
16:21<ompaul>read your error message and think again
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16:29<loudaslife>Is it possible to erase LDM signatures without erasing the whole disk?
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16:54<gardax>Hi, I have just installed debian and I have problem with my video card drivers. My video card is Amd radeon HD 4650 and i tried to install the driver how it is shown in the wiki but aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') it says that no packages were installed or upgraded. Can somebody help me?
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16:54<pir8teslife>is this showing
16:55<pir8teslife>great thank you. I was using a different server and messed things up
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16:59<sylar>should give some results in a webpage
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17:01<LtL>sylar: it doesnt exist
17:02<sylar>but here ( ) they say it does
17:03<sylar>so.. where are the backports?
17:03<LtL>sylar: read this, may help you.
17:03<centrx>sylar, is a mirror redirector, not an actual repo
17:04<gardax>i have added this backport deb wheezy-backports main contrib non-free - it is shown in the wiki
17:05<gardax>i followed tutorial from here
17:06<supaman>gardax: what does uname-r give?
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17:07<supaman>gardax: ok, do apt-cache search linux-headers and see if any of them matches your kernel
17:08<gardax>yes, there are a lot of results...about 20-30
17:09<supaman>gardax: and do any of them match the uname you got earlyer?
17:10<gardax>yes, first six results
17:10<gardax>oh sorry
17:10<gardax>just one of the
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17:10<supaman>gardax: ok, try dpkg -s name_of_package_from_search_result_that_matches_your_uname
17:10<sylar>anyone know how to solve this: zmwatch[14020]: ERR [Can't get shared memory id '7a6d0013', 19: No such file or directory] ?
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17:11<supaman>gardax: do you get a line there that says Status: install ok installed?
17:12<supaman>gardax: ok, then you have that package
17:13<gardax>so i can continue tutorial and execute: aptitude -r -t wheezy-backports install fglrx-legacy-driver to isntall driver?
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17:13<supaman>gardax: it seems so yes
17:14<supaman>I would check the same with fglrx-driver (the dpkg -s check that is), just to be sure
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17:16<supaman>ahh, sorry, your probably doing the amd catalyst legacy 13.0 .. then you dont use fglrx-driver, so no need to check that
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17:18<gardax>i installed it. Installation completed but shows some warnings "Possible missing firmware". Is that problem? I am installing legacy driver...yes
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17:19<supaman>gardax: yes, that can be a problem for full 3d support I guess
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17:21<SamB_laptop>is there some kind of "apropos" for kernel modules?
17:22<gardax>/lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169 and similar
17:24<supaman>gardax: ahh, thats the ethernet card, no worries about that
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17:25<gardax>ok thank you. I will run aticonfig --initial and reboot to check is the driver work and is gnome3 work fine.
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17:29<FelixS3e>Informal::Solved the msktutil::krb5.h Problem thanks for the hints :D
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17:35<gardax>I think everything is ok with the drivers. Thank you a lot.
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17:42<PaulePanter>Hi. Do you know if something changed in Debian Sid/unstable regarding network configuration?
17:43<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (
17:43<PaulePanter>I suddenly have an IPv6 address which is reachable from the Internet. Before I had just an IPv4 address and was unreachable, i. e. “safe”, behind a router.
17:43<PaulePanter>supaman: Thanks.
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17:48<genius>it is possible to convert ext3 to ext4 in debian root fs?
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17:55<Eryn_1983_FL>hey oeeps
17:56<Eryn_1983_FL>how come nobody has made a bittorrent package manager?
17:56<genius>thanks trico
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17:56<Eryn_1983_FL>i think it would solve alot of the badnwidth issues with hosting fast servers around the world etc..
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17:59<devil>Eryn_1983_FL: why have you not done one?
18:00<Eryn_1983_FL>lol, cause i am lazy and cant code yet...
18:00<devil>oh, ok, that explains it ;)
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19:25<SirAndroo>Hi everyone, since yesterday Iceweasel keeps freezing the whole system for a couple of seconds at every page load... any idea why would that happen?
19:26<fr33domlover>Hello! ftp server question: on anon logins, the client is limited to the ftp server user homedir. But with non-anon login, I have to tell the ftp server to use chroot, otherwise the client can explore my whole filesystem. Why is it like that? (I'm using vsftpd)
19:26<SirAndroo>I have disabled every addon/plug in obviously
19:26<mtn>SirAndroo: which version of debian and did you install any plugins yesterday?
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19:27<SirAndroo>version 7.6
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19:27<mtn>SirAndroo: try renaming your .mozilla folder and then start iceweasel and see if it is any better.
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19:30<SirAndroo>It seems like the problem is gone on a fresh start, you were right
19:30<mtn>SirAndroo: some setting in there causing it
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19:31<SirAndroo>Got it. Well I'll check on that. Thanks a lot
19:31<mtn>SirAndroo: welcome
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20:08<tempnick>how do i block IPs in debian?
20:09<_flip>what exactly do you mean tempnick
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20:11<rryoumaa>tempnick: firewalls exist. also you can use the hosts file.
20:11<tempnick>_flip: if i don't want my machine to connect to certain IP adresses or hostnames, where can i block them? in windows there is a hosts file, i just write this "" to block them, how do i do this in debian?
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21:21<Anoni-Linux>ayone familiar with bruteforcing web based log ins?
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21:23<Anoni-Linux>just broke into a database from overseas and wanna figure out how to bruteforce the credencials i dumped with hydra
21:23<themill>Wrong channel, I suspect
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21:24<Anoni-Linux>i new to xchat not familiar with this program
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22:21<NginUS>In Debian stable, I want to install a package from a ppa, but its dependencies are from unstable. How do I alter apt-pinning to allow its deps to install? Now it won't install anything because of my preferences.
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22:25<Guest32>I've added the dependencies to a new section in the .prefs file, & set a priority to 995 (equal to 'stable') & even when their priority is set to 1000, they still don't install. Either explicitly or as dependencies of the ppa package.
22:26<themill>Guest32: PPAs are not designed for Debian and mixing releases is not a good idea. What are you trying to install here?
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22:26<themill>You'll need to get the source package (not the binary package) and see if it compiles for wheezy
22:27<Guest32>I tried that & it fails for me, when I install boost either from source or from sid, it isn't found by cmake.
22:27<Guest32>plus cmake can't find curses, although they're all installed
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22:29<Guest32>If I install bitsharesx without apt-pinning enabled at all, it installs fine, but then 'aptitude upgrade' breaks my system & I can't boot.
22:29<Guest32>Maybe I'll try excluding what breaks my system & just update everything else to sid
22:30<Guest32>I hate to have extra stuff from sid that that one package doesn't need though
22:30<themill>You need to install foo-dev or libfoo-dev installed to compile things, not libfoo.
22:30<Guest32>I know
22:31<Guest32>the packages that are installed are -dev
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22:31<themill>unless their build system is utterly broken, it should fine boost and curses
22:31<Guest32>I think it's something with my system, because other users report the build going fine
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22:32<Guest32>I installed modular-boost from git first, & when cmake couldn't find it, I tried it from sid, to get defaults paths. Maybe they're interfering with each other??
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