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00:50<crystalmatrix>hi guys i have problems with my sound card firewire 410
00:50<crystalmatrix>i installed wine and asio4ll and software maudio soundcard
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00:50<crystalmatrix>but the software can search the drivers
00:51<crystalmatrix>only i see the mixer software. when i reset the so, i never see the mixer software maudio
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02:54<bonyhoax>Hi there! I'm trying to copy files from my laptop to an external drive in usb3. But it is veeery slow, like 1Mo/s. I have to copy like 50Go, so it will take me 15h. I first thought that the external disk had a failure. But I tested it on another computer, and it works perfectly. So the problem might come from my laptop (again...). Is it possible that the usb3 slots of my laptop are not recognized by my system?
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02:57<txt-file>bonyhoax, what file system is on the external drive?
02:57<bonyhoax>txt-file, ext4.
02:58<txt-file>then I am out of ideas
02:59<bonyhoax>already? :)
02:59<jm_>bonyhoax: you can check what kernel thinks by reading its messages after you plug it in
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02:59<bhuddah_>have you checked different ports on your device?
03:00<txt-file>I only had the idea that ntfs is pretty slow under linux. ;-)
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03:01<bonyhoax>bhuddah_, Yes I tried all of them. It's actually exactly the same speed for usb3 and usb2 slots. No difference.
03:01<bonyhoax>jm_, And how can I check that?
03:01<bhuddah_>try dmesg
03:01<jm_>bonyhoax: dmesg
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03:05<bonyhoax>Mhmm ok, I have many different things...
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03:06<jm_>it says superspeed so it is usb3
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03:07<jm_>you should also address this warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended
03:07<bonyhoax>Oh ok. So that's not the problem.
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03:08<jm_>how fast is reading from the device? have you tried a newer kernel?
03:08<jm_>how fast is reading using dd?
03:08<bonyhoax>It says command unknown
03:08<bonyhoax>jm_, I have the 3.16 kernel.
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03:09<bonyhoax>I don't know about the dd
03:09<jm_>which command is unknown?
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03:10<jm_>you need to run it as root, or better yet use fsck.ext4
03:10<jm_>or simply fsck ...
03:10<jm_>(obviously unmount it first)
03:10<jm_>you can test reading with dd or cat: cat /dev/sdb >/dev/null
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03:10<jm_>or dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null
03:11<jm_>interrupt with ctrl-c (dd will report the rate, for cat use iotop for example)
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03:13<bonyhoax>jm_, sorry, I didn't get it. I tried cat /dev/sdb >/dev/null, then stop with ctrl-c. But then?
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03:14<jm_>bonyhoax: see above how to get the rate, it needs to run while cat is running)
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03:17<bonyhoax>is it what you were asking?
03:17<jm_>no, use dd and cat and leave it running for much longer
03:18<jm_>or cat obviously
03:18<bonyhoax>I don't understand what you're asking for (I'm a newbie, sorry...)
03:20<jm_>run the dd command and interrupt it after 5-10 minutes
03:20<bonyhoax>I typed the commands you suggested, but nothing happens.
03:20<jm_>it will report reading rate
03:21<bonyhoax>Ok. So now, the command dd if=/dev ... is running. I let it like that for 10 min?
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03:25<txt-file>after the 10 min you press CTRL + C and it will print out how fast it was able to read
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03:25<bonyhoax>ok great
03:27<jm_>if the hdparm rate is real then 5 minutes should be enough (you'd read about 25-30G)
03:27<jm_>you can run 'killall -USR2 dd' to get the rate in-between
03:28<jm_>no sorry it's USR1
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03:30<bonyhoax>65579622400 octets (66 GB) copiés, 598.308 s, 110 MB/s
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03:32<jm_>yeah so you can stop it, so there are no issues with the disk, how fast is it if you copy files from the disk? if you have some big file on it, mount it and run dd if=filename of=/dev/null to get the rate (or use time to measure cp)
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03:33<bonyhoax>jm_, from the disk to the external disk?
03:33<bonyhoax>or the other way around?
03:34<jm_>bonyhoax: from external disk to /dev/null
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03:35<bonyhoax>jm_, my external disk is empty.
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03:35<bonyhoax>I just formatted it to store data, but I can't put anything big, because of the time it takes.
03:36<jm_>bonyhoax: ahh ok, so then umount it and fsck it first, then try copying again
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03:38<bonyhoax>the fsck can't run, it says /dev/sda1 is mounted.
03:38<bonyhoax>But isn't sda1 my main disk?
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03:40<jpinx>bonyhoax: run mount and see what's where - find the external drive and umount it - then fsck it
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03:42<bonyhoax>Ok, but it leads me to another thing I don't understand. It says dev/sdb1 on /media/usb0 type ext4
03:42<bonyhoax>This is, I guess, my ext drive.
03:42<bonyhoax>But what is the difference between dev/sdb1 and media/usb0 ?
03:42<jpinx>bonyhoax: unpug it and look again ;)
03:43<jpinx>bonyhoax: /media/xxx is a mountpoint ;)
03:44<jpinx>bonyhoax: that was meant to read "unplug it and run $:mount again "
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03:45<jpinx>bonyhoax: if it's a huge external drive and an old box you're on (like mine) it takes a few seconds to mount it when you plug it in
03:45<edouard_saucisse>hi everyone
03:46<bonyhoax>Ok, I unmounted it, so the previous line disappeared when I type 'mount'.
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03:46<bonyhoax>Which is normal, it's not mounted anymore.
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03:47<bonyhoax>but then, how can I fsck something that is not there anymore?
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03:48<jpinx>bonyhoax: good - now plug it back in
03:49<jm_>you fsck the device not mount point. fsck /dev/sdb1
03:49<jpinx>bonyhoax: after it has settled - run mount again and note where the external drive is, then run umount /dev/<whatever>
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03:50<jpinx>bonyhoax: then run fsck /dev/<whatever> - make a coffee and wait ;)
03:50<bonyhoax>all right. Now I get it. /dev/sdb1 is the physical disc, and /media/usb0 is like the access point to the files from the system. Right?
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03:51<jpinx>bonyhoax: when fsck is done the easiest thingto do is unplug and replug-in the external drive
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03:52<bonyhoax>Ok, I did all that, and I got rid of the previous warning. It repaired the problems.
03:52<jpinx>bonyhoax: :)
03:53<edouard_saucisse>i have a problem since 2/3 days on sid, i think it comes from a systemd update i just installed without paying attention... my kdm session does not start anymore, my computer just boots to a terminal session.... when i run kdm manually, i can log in, but i can't connect to a wifi network anymore, and i can't mount any usb or windows drive... i put a part of the dmesg output here ... does anyone have an idea ?
03:53<bonyhoax>But it's still damn slow to write on it.
03:54<bonyhoax>I doesn't go above 1Mo/s
03:55<bonyhoax>With my other computer, also with linux, it goes around 100M/s. So the problem doesn't come from my external disk, but rather from my laptop. But I don't know more...
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03:57<jpinx>bonyhoax: try a different usb port?
03:57<jpinx>bonyhoax: try a different device in that port?
03:59<bonyhoax>jpinx, I tried in every port, no change. I'll try with another ext disk.
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04:03<txt-file>edouard_saucisse, please go to #debian-next for questions about problems with sid. This chan is for stable
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04:34<bonyhoax>Why is it so difficult to write on usb disks?? Evey single stick I plug is restricted for my main account. Isn't there an option somewhere to allow my main account to write on disks I plug without enter the root mode?
04:36<dpkg>[plugdev] From 'Users and Groups in the Debian System': "Members of this group can access removable devices in limited ways without explicit configuration in /etc/fstab. This is useful for local users who expect to be able to insert and use CDs, USB drives, and so on." See also <groups>, <pmount>.
04:37<jm_>also /msg dpkg gnome-volume-manager
04:37<jm_>assuming that's what you're using
04:37<bonyhoax>I have a usb stick in fat32, and even in root mode I can't give permissions to my main account (with the chown command). The user of the stick is "99-user #99"
04:37<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
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04:43<bonyhoax>jm_, where should I go to change these settings for my account?
04:43<jm_> says to remove it from fstab and it should work
04:43<jm_>bonyhoax: try the above first
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04:58<bonyhoax>jm_, I'm not sure to understand how these groups work. From what I understand, I have to give explicit permission for every new usb device I plug in. Can't I set a definitive permission for my account (it's my laptop, so there's only one account, mine), to have unrestricted access to all the devices I plug in?
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04:59<jm_>bonyhoax: the text on that url talks about removing your usb disk from /etc/fstab, nothing else
04:59<peter1138>yeah, you misunderstand
05:00<jm_>so check that first
05:00<peter1138>not sure why the usb disks end up in fstab by default to be honest
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05:00<jm_>the page says installer adds it (I never noticed on my old installs, i know cdrom ended in it so probably the same thing)
05:01<jm_>I mean I never noticed USB being in fstab on my old installs
05:02<SmitySmiter>hello guys, does anyone here use a Windows Phone?
05:02<SmitySmiter>need to know if there's any Music syncing app for Debian, compatible with Windows Phone
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06:05<devil>what? ;)
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06:15<bonyhoax>Sorry to still bother you with that, but I'm still struggling with my usb sticks. I have a brand new stick, nice and clean. I plug it in my slot. But I don't have permissions to write on it. I know that I can give permissions with the chown command. But I would like to set an option in order to write on any new usb stick I plug in, without any particular manipulation (just as under windows or mac), whaterver the file-system is (fat32,
06:15<bonyhoax>ext4, etc). I know you gave me some solutions, but I'm just totally confused with all of this... Is it the fstab file that should be modified?
06:16<bonyhoax>Or should I modify options in the plugdev group?
06:16<jm_>bonyhoax: what's in fstab now? use a pastebin
06:16<weasel>ext4 is a horrible FS for an usb stick.
06:17<weasel>it's not suitable for what you want.
06:17<bonyhoax>weasel, Ok. Right now, because it is pre-formatted, it is in fat32. I will not change it.
06:18<weasel>great. then it should just work if you point it using your desktopy thingie.
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06:31<bonyhoax>weasel, what is a desktopy thingie?
06:32<jm_>bonyhoax: so that's not it unless you removed it by now
06:32<jm_>which desktop environment are you using?
06:32<sylar>I searched for lenny packages and I got many packages that are with lenny version
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06:32<sylar>how do I cause them to upgrade to squeeze?
06:33<bonyhoax>I switch bewteen several of them, to do tests (I still experiment linux). Right now, I think it's gnome
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06:34<jm_>sylar: read squeeze release notes to learn how to dist upgrade
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06:34<jm_>are you in group plugdev?
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06:35<bonyhoax>jm_, yes
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06:36<jm_>bonyhoax: then I have no idea, wait for someone who uses and knows gnome to help you
06:36<bonyhoax>Which alternative do you recommand?
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06:37<jm_>just use whatever suits you, as far as my setup goes, i'm using just a simple window manager + autofs to mount usb devices
06:37<ixi>1) su -
06:37<ixi>2) fdisk -l
06:38<ixi>3) mount /dev/whatever /mnt/whatever
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06:38<ixi>bonyhoax familiarize yourself with powerful unix command line
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06:39<jm_>i think bonyhoax knows how to do that, but the goal is to have auto-mount mount it with desired options
06:39<bonyhoax>ixi, I'm doing my best. I learn something new every minute :) But I can't handle with everything at the same time...
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06:39<ixi>it works out of the box in xfce
06:39<sylar>jm_, I read, but I don't find
06:39<ixi>that's as much as I know
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06:40<jm_>sylar: don't find what?
06:40<bonyhoax>ixi, it doesn't work for me under xfce neither.
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06:40<ixi>I plug a usb stick in, an icon appears on desktop
06:40<ixi>I double click it, and I see files
06:40<sylar>jm_, what to do about the lenny version packges that I ahve
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06:41<ixi>bonyhoax do you have a supported filesystem on it? is there a proper partition table ?
06:41<sylar>maybe I need to do dist-upgrade
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06:42<bonyhoax>ixi, I can access my stick, but in read-only mode. I can't write on it.
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06:42<jm_>sylar: did you check if a newer version exists in squeeze for them?
06:42<ixi>bonyhoax what filesystem is there?
06:43<sylar>jm_, no, I didn't check, but I am guessing java will have a version in squeeze
06:43<sylar>but, I see I forgot the dist-upgrade line
06:43<jm_>sylar: that depends on which package exactly is installed
06:43<sylar>so maybe that will fix it
06:44<jm_>sylar: really, upgrade it according to release note or you might run into problems
06:44<jm_>you'll have hard time finding someone to help you recoved if you failed to follow the official instructions
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06:44<sylar>I followed what /msg dpkg lenny->squeese say, but forgot the last step
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06:45<bonyhoax>ixi, I know I could get the permission with th chown command. But I don't want to do that with every new stick I plug in. I would like to have permission to write on usb storage devices automatically.
06:45<jm_>chown doesn't work on *fat*
06:45<bonyhoax>without being in root mode of course.
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06:46<sylar>jm_, that is a human error... it happens sometimes to humans.. lucky that all the other stuff that apt-get do, is machine performed ;)
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06:46<ixi>bonyhoax something somewhere mounts your stick with wrong permissions
06:46<ixi>but we don't know which automounting mechanism you use
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06:47<bonyhoax>ixi I would be glad to tell you what I use, but I don't know how to do that.
06:48<ixi>for starters you could find out which partition you're using
06:48<ixi>and what process uses it
06:48<jm_>like I said, you need to follow that or your system will most likely not boot
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06:48<ixi>1) mount your flash read only as you can now
06:48<ixi>2) fdisk -l and find relevant partition
06:48<bonyhoax>ixi isn't fat32 the type of partition?
06:48<ixi>3) fuser /dev/mdevice
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06:48<ixi>bonyhoax fat32 is a filesystem
06:49<ixi>you need to find something like /dev/sdc1 , /dev/sdb3 or whatever
06:49<ixi>that is in use
06:49<ixi>bonyhoax run fuser /dev/sdb1
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06:50<jm_>ixi: it's not mounted RO, it's that the setps from "/msg dpkg vfatrw" are needed for regular users (writing works for root)
06:50<bonyhoax>ixi just did. Nothing happened.
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06:54<ixi>bonyhoax idk then
06:54<ixi>maybe someone else knows how you can find out which mechanism you use
06:55<jm_>have you tried it with a different user?
06:55<bonyhoax>jm_, No, I have only one user.
06:55<jm_>bonyhoax: maybe try that too
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06:55<bonyhoax>Yes, good idea.
06:56<bonyhoax>I'll go and read how to create a new user then :)
06:56<jm_>man adduser
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06:57<bonyhoax>Ok, done. I'll try.
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07:00<bonyhoax>Same problem with the other user.
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07:02<bonyhoax>But you agree that I shouldn't be forbidded to write on a usb stick by default, right?
07:02<bonyhoax>Or is it normal under linux to be restricted like that?
07:02<jm_>frankly, I don't know as I never used gnome (or any other DE)
07:02<bonyhoax>It is DE dependant?
07:02<jm_>by default it's like that when it comes to the kernel
07:03<ixi>bonyhoax normally only root can mount stuff anyway
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07:03<ixi>unless specifically permitted by fstab
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07:03<ixi>this stuff you're having a problem with is a hacky magical automounting stuff
07:03<ixi>for gui things
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07:05<bonyhoax>Ok. Well, I plan to use XMonad anyway. So I'll not lose too much time trying to solve this if I will stop using gnomw at the end...
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07:07<jm_>how do you start X btw?
07:07<bonyhoax>jm_, emm... what??
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07:07<jm_>bonyhoax: how do you login into gnome?
07:08<bonyhoax>I have a window asking for my login and password. And a line where I can chose between several different DE.
07:09<jm_>which DM is that?
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07:09<jm_>try cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
07:10<bonyhoax>it's lightdm
07:10<jm_>have you tried it with gdm?
07:11<bonyhoax>Ehh... I don't remember. I tried many different things. Should I try with it? How can I change?
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07:13<jm_>apt* install gdm
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07:15<bonyhoax>I can't apt-get install gdm.
07:15<bonyhoax>it is obsolete
07:15<jm_>yeah gdm3 sorry
07:16<bonyhoax>Ok I already have it.
07:16<bonyhoax>(but it doesn't work because my graphic card isn't recognized by my system)
07:16<jm_>then dpkg-reconfigure gdm3
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07:17<jm_>which card is it?
07:17<bonyhoax>Intel HD4400
07:17<bonyhoax>I need to upgrade to Jessie
07:18<jm_>for that? my brother has a CPU with this GPU and it works fine with wheezy
07:18<bonyhoax>than you/he should tell me how to do that.
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07:20<jm_>but if it wouldn't work then even lightdm would not start, what makes you think gdm3 won't work?
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07:22<jm_>looks like I messed up the numbers, it's one generation older CPU
07:22<jm_>what happens if you use gdm?
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07:23<bonyhoax>Well, if I load Gnome, it tells me that gnome3 could not be loaded because my graphic card is not strong enough (I reword a bit ;) )
07:23<SynrGy>possibly needs a kernel backport, then
07:23<SynrGy>but should be fine after that
07:24<SynrGy>no? i thought wheezy was missing support for some hd4xxx
07:24<towo`>as i sayed earlyer, kernel is noz enougth
07:24<SynrGy>humm. and there's no Xorg backport :/
07:24<towo`>the intel ddx is also to old
07:24<SynrGy>fun times
07:24<jm_>yeah I remember it was available for squeeze when new intel cpu-s came out
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07:25<jm_>bonyhoax: so maybe try jessie
07:25<deavid>can anyone recommend me printers with good printing support ont Debian Stable 7.6 ?
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07:26<jm_>deavid: any postscript printer should be fine, but those are more expensive
07:27<jm_>I have some el-cheapo samsung laser printer which worked OK but now I always get some stupid USB errors
07:29<bonyhoax>jm_, Yeah. That's what I plan to do. But to do that, I have to reinstall my system (with a dual boot), but before I do that, I have to save some data I have on my dd. But I can't because my storage disk speed is too low. And to understand why I have this problem, I want to try with other usb devices, but I can't because I can't write on these devices.
07:29<bonyhoax>You see, I have a chain of issues :)
07:29<jm_>bonyhoax: well you can mount it manually to test write speed
07:31<bonyhoax>I tried the command chown to give permissions to my current session, but it says that I don't have permission to change the owner of the device. Even in root........
07:31<jm_>no don't use chown, use this:
07:31<dpkg>To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id".
07:32<jm_>you can use the same options in mount command too so no need for fstab entries
07:32<jm_>besides, you coud simply test by writing as root ...
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07:33<bonyhoax>jm_, well... yes... that's true
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07:36<bonyhoax>Oh god... It's still worste than before. On a new usb3 stick, I write at 150ko/s.
07:37<bonyhoax>It takes me 2h for 500Mo to copy. I have 50Go to copy.
07:37<jm_>that's pathetic, even my first usb key was faster :)
07:38<jm_>where did you find 3.16 kernel btw?
07:38<bonyhoax>I know...
07:38<bonyhoax>I compiled it myself...
07:38<jm_>have you tried using 3.14 debian kernel instead?
07:39<bonyhoax>don't ask why. I'm already enough ashamed of myself :)
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07:39<jm_>why? i always compile kernels i use myself
07:40<bonyhoax>Yeah, but I don't even know how to create a new user, and I compiled a new kernel.
07:40<dreamy_>can my computer start working better after i upgrade from squeeze to wheezy?
07:40<jm_>if I were you I would also test with the debian 3.14 bpo kernel just in case
07:40<bonyhoax>I just did things totally blindely, and now, my system can't even use usb sticks properly :)
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07:43<bonyhoax>How do I install it? I'm afraid to do mistakes again
07:44<bonyhoax>I download it from here ?
07:44<jm_>!bpo kernel
07:44<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
07:44<jm_>follow the above instructions
07:45<jm_>use apt-get if you don't normally use aptitude
07:45<bonyhoax>whats the different between apt-get and aptitude by the way?
07:46<jm_>you can ask dpkg about: why aptitude, why apt-get, why not aptitude
07:46<bonyhoax>!why aptitude
07:46<dpkg>aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often find a solution where apt-get gives up. It can be used from the command line like apt-get plus an interactive resolver makes it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). For some upgrades, apt-get is preferred (e.g. <lenny->squeeze>, <squeeze->wheezy>).
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07:47<abrotman>you can msg the bot
07:47<bonyhoax>... how ...
07:47<magey->what is the best way to go about having a local package mirror/cache where i can synchronize my local mirror vs. the public debian apt sources, and then synchronize all my servers vs. my own repo/mirror
07:48<magey->so that they all have the same package versions
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07:48<babilen>dpkg: tell bonyhoax -about msghtebot
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07:50<jm_>magey: have you looked at apt-cacher and similar packages? try /msg dpkg apt-cacher
07:50<panos>weasel: thanks for yesterday
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07:55<magey>jm_ can i guarantee that all servers will see the same package versions with apt-cacher tho? it seems like a general purpose caching proxy where if the package versions change between the time i issue commands on different servers i could different packages
07:55<magey>could see**
07:56<jm_>magey: I believe you are correct in how it behaves
07:58<magey>looks like aptly can do what i want, if i'm understanding correctly what it does
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07:59<jm_>looks like it
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08:01<bonyhoax>As suggested by dpgk, I typed the line "aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`", but nothing happened...
08:02<bonyhoax>(I have modified the sources.list, and did an aptitude update)
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08:02<jm_>!tell bonyhoax -about bat
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08:02<test1234>panos: hello
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08:05<bonyhoax>(french version, sorry...)
08:05<jm_>dpkg said to include more than that, and see also /msg dpkg localized errors
08:05<dpkg>jm_: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
08:07<test1234>panos: hello
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08:10<bonyhoax>The localized-errors thing didn't work. My errors are still in french.
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08:10<jm_>bonyhoax: did you read what dpkg told you?
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08:11<bonyhoax>emmm... yes...
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08:11<jm_>so you noticed how it mentions apt-cache command?
08:11<bonyhoax>He said to type a command to display my messages in english. But it didn't work.
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08:12<jm_>and after ; it also listed more things to include in your post
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08:12<bonyhoax>Yeah but now, I need to change the language in my terminal.
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08:13<jm_>just run export LANG=C; export LC_ALL=C
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08:13<bonyhoax>ok thanks!
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08:16<bonyhoax>Ok, so I need to provide the result of my command (what I gave, but in french). Then apt-cache policy and the related package (I don't know what it is in this case), and a general apt-cache policy (I have it, but it's long). Right?
08:16<jm_>apt-cache policy pkgname, in your case that would be linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`
08:17<bonyhoax>this last command does nothing.
08:17<jm_>are you pasting it or typing it?
08:18<bonyhoax>I mean, it seems to do something, but nothing appears on screen (but I have to close it with ctrl-c in order to type something new)
08:18<bonyhoax>I pasted it
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08:19<jm_>what does this show? uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'
08:20<jm_>ok that explains it, just run aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))' and install appropriate package
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08:21<jm_>linux-image-3.14-0.bpo.2-foo where foo is the one you use
08:21<bonyhoax>I guess it's the amd64 one (not even sure of that). But there are 3 of theme.
08:22<jm_>what does 'dpkg --print-architecture' say?
08:22<bonyhoax>amd64 :)
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08:23<bonyhoax>I take the first of the three?
08:23<jm_>so replace foo with it and that should do it
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08:25<bonyhoax>is it already available on boot?
08:26<jm_>yeah but not default probably
08:26<bonyhoax>ok, I'll try.
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09:19<bonyhoax>hi. why am I banned from the channel?
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09:20<bonyhoax>(i'm on my phone now, my computer cant connect)
09:20<Apollo>What's the errormessage you're getting
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09:21<jpinx>you need to be registered iirc
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09:22<bonyhoax>simply "impossible to join the channel (you are banned)
09:23<themill>"the channel" doesn't help
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09:23<bonyhoax>i connected without problem, I rebooted and now I'm banned
09:23<themill>to what? feel free to actually tell us...
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09:24<bonyhoax>sorry, to #debian
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09:24<jpinx>bonyhoax: paste the output in a pastebin
09:25<bonyhoax>the same for #debian-next
09:25<jpinx>bonyhoax: everything on freenode - or are you banned in oftc as well ?
09:26<bonyhoax>i'm on a smartphone right now. cant do much except writing slowly...
09:26<bonyhoax>jpinx ni ides
09:27<jpinx>bonyhoax: try freenode ;)
09:27<themill>bonyhoax: are you trying to use mibbit or something like that?
09:27<bonyhoax>freenode works
09:27<bonyhoax>i use xchat
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09:32<bonyhoax>should I use another program?
09:33<wakd>bonyhoax, try re-identifying to the oftc server '/msg nickserv identify <password> <nick>'
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09:34<bonyhoax>it says I'm not registered
09:35<bonyhoax>but I wasnt registered before neither.
09:35<bonyhoax>and it was not a problem
09:36<themill>are you ircing as root?
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09:36<bonyhoax>I am indeed
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09:37<bonyhoax>but I have no choice
09:37<bonyhoax>I cant log normally anymore
09:37<bonyhoax>no idea why
09:38<bonyhoax>If I try, it brings me back to the login window, every time
09:39<jpinx>bonyhoax: where can you not log in as $USER ?
09:39<wakd>bonyhoax, that can happen if your home directory is not accessible
09:39<bonyhoax>just when I boot my computer.
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09:41<jpinx>bonyhoax: you need to sort out your login and stop using root
09:41<bonyhoax>I would love to. but un order to find out the issue, I need you guys ;)
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09:44<bonyhoax>Ok, I created an alt user.
09:45<bonyhoax>I don't know what happened. I installed the kernel 3.14, it was a disaster, so I came back to the 3.16, but the problems remain (login issues)
09:46<bonyhoax>And my usb issues remain as well.
09:46<bonyhoax>I want to cry...
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09:47<jpinx>bonyhoax: sounds like you have been messing with your system too much. Why go down from 3.16 to 3.14 ? You know downgrading is not supported
09:47<bonyhoax>I know nothing (John Snow).
09:48<bonyhoax>It was suggested by someone.
09:49<bonyhoax>(at least I'm relieved, I thought you kicked me for asking to many questions...
09:50<bonyhoax>I'm just trying to make my usb3 work properly, in order to save data, and then, I'll reinstall everything.
09:50<bonyhoax>But my usb devices write at 150ko/s. It will take days to save my stuff.
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09:51<jpinx>bonyhoax: it's probably easiest for you to back up your data and re-install stable from scratch
09:52<bonyhoax>I know. That's what I just said I plan to do. But I can't save anything at 150ko/s.
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09:53<bonyhoax>So first, I have to find why my usb disks are so slow. Then, I can save my stuff, and finally reinstall.
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09:57<jpinx>bonyhoax: earlier you said you had another one that worked ok ?
09:57<bonyhoax>And given the fact that these disks work just fine on other computers, I assume the problem comes from my laptop.
09:57<bonyhoax>Unfortunately not. I tested with several disks, it's always the same.
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10:05<bonyhoax>Ok, another option would be to connect to my AppleTimeCapsule, and save my data through wifi. It will certainly be quicker, if it's possible. Can I connect to my TimeCapsule from a debian system?
10:05<sylar>xawtv don't start
10:06<sylar>I read this bug
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10:07<enOn> sylar , please be patient and send the problem in a single line
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11:22<maxy>sylar: Did xawtv ever worked for you?
11:23<maxy>Ok, can you paste the output in a page?
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11:34<maxy>sylar: Thats in wheezy, right?
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11:37<maxy>sylar: Can you paste your /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xawtv in a page?
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11:41<gavin_> 有人在吗?
11:42<gavin_>Good night!
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11:42<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh ( 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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11:46<maxy>sylar: Mmh, right, maybe you just need to update your fonts cache (fc-cache)
11:47<daswort>hello, my LXC containers lose their IP adresses. And i found the following entries in syslog:
11:47<daswort>ntpd[3711]: Deleting interface #17 eth0,, […] and so on
11:47<maxy>sylar: Else, you can edit /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xawtv and change the xawtv.onscreen.label.font: entry with any big font. You can use xfontsel to choose it.
11:48<sylar>running fc-cache didn't help
11:49<daswort>Why does ntpd bring down interfaces and what can i do to fix it?
11:49<sylar>xfontsel also errors: Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion
11:49<sylar>and it doesn't output font name
11:49<maxy>daswort: ntp is saying that it would stop listening in that interface, it's not bringing it down, but the other way around.
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11:51<sylar>I don't know to use that fontsel
11:52<daswort>I see. maxy
11:53<maxy>sylar: It's an ugly ui where you can select old style X fonts. -*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* is every font, click in a * and select the desired value and the fonts that X can choose from narrows down
11:54<peter1138>yeah, back when the x server rendered fonts instead of each client...
11:54<maxy>sylar: In your case -*-*-*-*--39-*-*-*-*-*-*-* might be enough
11:56<maxy>sylar: Actualy, I think you can delete the line xawtv.onscreen.label.font: -*-ledfixed-medium-r-*--39-*-*-*-c-*-*-* completly
11:57<maxy>fontSet should be used if font is not preset
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12:00<sylar>I commented the lines of the font
12:01<sylar>and now it don't load, wehre the error message is the same, except for the mentioning of that font name: Oops: can't load any font
12:02<maxy>sylar: Can you paste you new /etc/X11/app-defaults/Xawtv in a page?
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12:04<sylar>maxy ^
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12:04<PaulePanter>Hi. `dhclient -r wlan0` only releases the IPv4 address for me and not the IPv6 address.
12:05<PaulePanter>`dhclient -6 -r wlan0` does not work either.
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12:08<Peio>I'm having an issue with a usb3 drive
12:09<Peio> I believe this is it
12:09<Peio>I tried installing the latest kernel from wheezy-backports but I still have the same problem
12:09<Peio>I'm kind of lost, if anyone has an idea that'd be great :)
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12:10<peter1138>hmm, weird, the jumbo frame limit of my built-in nic is 4080 bytes in linux, but 7KB in windows :S
12:11<maxy>PaulePanter: Was the ip obtained by dhclient -6 ?
12:11<maxy>PaulePanter: Can you tell me the ipv6 address you got ?
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12:12<maxy>sylar: Sorry, I'm doing several things at the same time, let me check
12:12<sylar>its ok, I am doing several things too
12:12<maxy>sylar: You still need the xawtv.onscreen.label.fontSet: block
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12:12<maxy>Comment just the xawtv.onscreen.label.font: line
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12:14<maxy>Peio: Whay kind of hardware are you using?
12:14<sylar>maxy, ok I uncommented it, and it still don't load
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12:14<Peio>you want computer parts ?
12:14<sylar>and I commented the led* font
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12:15<Peio>it's a pc with an i3 and 4GB of ram
12:15<maxy>Peio: If its a notebook, the model, else, if you know the mother board model
12:15<Peio>let me try to find the mobo model
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12:15<maxy>Peio: dmidecode can probably tell you
12:16<Peio> Manufacturer: MSI
12:16<Peio> Product Name: H61MA-E35 (MS-7740)
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12:16<maxy>sylar: Ok, then replace the ledfixed with an *
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12:18<sylar>maxy, it still don't work
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12:19<Peio>btw I've used another usb3 hard drive in the past and had no issues with it
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12:24<maxy>Peio: Oh, ok, I was checking it the hardware was mentioned as flaky.
12:25<Peio>yeah sorry my bad :(
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12:25<Peio>the drive that doesn't work (on usb3 ports) is a WD Elements 2TB (model: wdbu6y0020bbk-eesn)
12:26<Peio>it works fine on windows on usb3 ports (different computer though)
12:26<maxy>I have a couple of usb3 flaky ports that work whenever they feel like it.
12:26<Peio>I haven't had any issues with mine (except with this drive obviously :p)
12:27<Peio>is it possible to easily update the kernel to a more recent one than the one in the backports ?
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12:27<maxy>Peio: You can alwasy compile you own
12:27<Peio>yeah but I'm not sure which one I should choose and that sounds risky
12:28<Peio>when I updated the kernel from backports I also had to update the firmware-realtek package for my nic
12:28<Peio>how do I do that if I compile my own kernel ?
12:28<maxy>I heard they where about to port the 3.16 to backports, also
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12:30<Peio>gonna read up on compiling a kernel
12:31<maxy>Ok, make sure you still have some way to recover your computer.
12:32<maxy>sylar: But the error should have changed, can you paste me that?
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12:33<Peio>what should I do for that maxy ?
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12:34<Peio>I should still have the old ones in grub right ?
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12:38<Peio>what happens for the firmware-realtek package if I compile the latest kernel from ?
12:38<maxy>Peio: Yeah, that and a booteable pendrive/cd
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12:38<maxy>(not usb3 in your case. :) )
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12:39<Peio>was that for my last question ?
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12:39<Peio>I have another computer so I should be able to make a bootable usb stick if needed :)
12:39<maxy>Peio: I'm not sure.
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12:40<Peio>ok :(
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12:41<maxy>sylar: Well, you can always use tvtime. :)
12:42<sylar>i can try
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12:43<sylar>does it let the user choose the channel of /dev/video0 ?
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12:58<loudaslife>Can anyone help me delete Windows LDM Signatures so I can install Grub?
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13:23<sylar>where is javac?
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13:30<dualbus>sylar: openjdk, or there's a tool to install oracle java
13:30<sylar>I have it, I just didn't ahve javac in the path
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13:38<kamil>hello all:)
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13:39<kamil>can someone help my I have lost all day and I can't manage a problem with xorg multi head
13:39<kamil>I have a laptop and lcd monitor which is connected to laptop's VGA port
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13:40<kamil>when I set ServerLayout to use two minitors the laptop's monitor is going off and external lcd is working only
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13:41<musca>use "xrandr" and take the identifiers from that output into your serverlayout.
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13:42<kamil>here is my xorg.conf
13:43<kamil>musca when I run xrandr I only see one monitor
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13:44<musca>kamil: wrong wording :-)
13:45<musca>you want to place "monitors" side by side, and they build one screen
13:45<kamil>where in xorg.config or in "I only see"?:)
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13:48<musca>kamil: i dont use a xorg.conf
13:49<musca>i only drop a little conf snippet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
13:49<musca>!empty xorg.conf
13:49<dpkg>Starting from Debian 5.0 "Lenny", /etc/X11/xorg.conf is often basically empty or non-existent, as X auto-detects your hardware and starts the X server accordingly, nothing to worry about. Ask me about <xorg config> and <xrandr> for ways to configure Xorg. See also <xorg manual config>, <xorg.conf.d>, <xorg hal>.
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13:50<musca>sorry, have to leave, -afk-
13:51<kamil>ok thank you guys
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14:13<Streuner>Hey guys. I'm looking for some help regarding mysql/apache2 on wheezy.
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14:16<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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14:19<Streuner>!ask I'm having trouble to get mysql to work with my apache. To give some more information: I created a database + user for wordpress, granted the privileges und flushed them. Now i can connect with that user using mysql -u MYUSER -p and everything is fine. If I build a simple php-script with mysql_connect I always get Access denied for root (even if I use my user not root in this php-script).
14:19<Streuner>Can anybody point me in the right direction?
14:19<dpkg>Streuner: what are you talking about?
14:21<Maulkin>Streuner: You probably granted permission for localhost, rather than
14:21<Maulkin>Streuner: One allows connection over a Unix socket, but I seem to remember PHP does a TCP connection
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14:22<Streuner>Maulkin: I granted to MYUSER@%
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14:22<Maulkin>Streuner: Hrm, sounds like something #php may be able to help with.
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14:23<Maulkin>I don't think it's a Debian specific issue.
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14:24<Streuner>Maulkin: I think so too, but maybe there is something special. But I guess I'm just blind ;) I'll ask in #php too. Thanks anyways
14:24<Maulkin>Streuner: Could you pastebin your script somewhere?
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14:26<Streuner>Maulkin: Sure:
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14:27<Streuner>Maulkin: I swapped localhost with the name of the database I created, but that did not work either. I'm not that into PHP I need to say.
14:27<weasel>isn't that missing a database?
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14:29<weasel>maybe not.
14:29<Streuner>weasel: It's a basic script I took from :/ There they select the database after the connect to the server is successful
14:29<Maulkin>Streuner: Can you connect to
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14:30<Streuner>Maulkin: nope
14:30<Streuner>Maulkin: same error
14:30<sschopman>Hello all… I have been running into problem after problem after problem and I am hoping someone in here can help me. I have an Asus Zenbook UX302LA, I originally had Mint 16 installed and went to upgrade to Mint 17… started running into a bunch of graphics drivers problems (I have intel haswell ULT integrated graphics)… After days of no solution with Mint 17, I decided I wanted to just jump ship and try debian… I also have 24g SDD and a 500g HDD
14:30<sschopman>I attempted to install The OS on the SSD and use my hdd for /home… i partitioned the way i thought would work but now my system seems to be stuck in grub purgatory… I have debian on a live usb but i am stuck on a grub screen where i cannot select the OS… I am also stuck on this screen without the USB plugged in… I am on a screen with “Minimal BASH-like editing is supported…” and then with a “grub>” prompt… not sure what to do to get
14:30<sschopman>the point where I can try an install Debian… Sorry if I sound like a noob… I have been using linux for a few years but have never considered myself a linux pro… I know ppl will prob say dont use Debian then but I want to try it… Anyway… Hope anyone can help...
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14:31<Kureyslii>END TIMES hadith
14:31<Kureyslii>There comes a time, then the Muslims do today if I did that one-tenth of worship, is freed from the punishment of the Hereafter. Prophet Muhammad s.a.v.
14:31<Kureyslii>A time it commanded you that you are leaving one-tenth of the world would be destroyed. Then it will come a time when he commanded the self gets rid of that one-tenth of Muhammad pbuh
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14:32<ixi>sschopman it might have something to do with GPT partitioning vs BIOS partitioning
14:32<ixi>not a single time I tried to install debian on a GPT-partitioned hdd it went well
14:33<ixi>and symptoms sound very familiar to what I had.
14:33<Maulkin>Streuner: Hrm, are you in SQL safe mode?
14:33<Maulkin>Streuner: And you should probably be using mysqli_connect
14:33<sschopman>ixi: well I would like to install OS on SDD and just have home on hdd
14:33<Maulkin>Streuner: but yeah, this should head over to #php
14:33<sschopman>but now I cant even get into my computer, either by USB live or regular OS boot
14:34<sschopman>I am stuck on this screen
14:34<ixi>I remember one solution that worked for me was to boot from a debian live usb and zero first 5 MB of the hard drive, and last 5 MB
14:34<ixi>this kills the partition table and all the data
14:34<ixi>and allows for a true clean install
14:34<Streuner>Maulkin: How do I check that? It's just the default installation
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14:35<Maulkin>Streuner: - have a look at the links off there
14:35<sschopman>sounds good ixi but how do I even get into the live usb if I am stuck on this screen while using the live usb…
14:35<Streuner>Maulkin: wow! mysqli_connect is working. That's great, even though I don't know if I need to upgrade anything or install more? ;)
14:36<sschopman>I am also stuck on it when trying to boot up my computer without USB plugged in
14:36<ixi>sschopman you need to select boot device when your computer os booting
14:36<ixi>its done differently on different computers
14:36<ixi>sometimes it's F2 key, sometimes F8
14:36<ixi>sometimes entirely other
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14:39<babilen>sschopman: How did you install? (which image did you you use and which media, how did you write the image?)
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14:41<sschopman>babilen: this was the image i used: debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop on a usb, i wrote it via unetbootin app on a mac
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14:43<babilen>sschopman: First I wouldn't necessarily recommend to use the live images for installation, but the normal ones. Secondly: unetbootin causes all sorts of problems and you can follow the instructions on to write that on OSX
14:43<babilen>dpkg: tell sschopman -about fixmbr
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14:44<babilen>sschopman: That should, however, not be necessary. Boot into the live CD and then follow the instructions the box just sent you. Ask if something is unclear. You probably want to install grub to /dev/sda, but that depends on your particular setup (not sure how your harddrives are labelled)
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14:45<sschopman>babilen: when I am partitioning, I have an SSD and HDD, I want to run the OS on SSD… swhen partitioning i should put grub on HDD? and how to i parition that for the grub?
14:46<sschopman>babilen: also… what image should i use then?
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14:47<peter1138>why not put grub on the SSD?
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14:48<SynrG>indeed. the SSD makes the sanest choice as OS drive, so locate everything on it ...
14:48<SynrG>saving HDD only for large, slow access mass storage (large media collection, etc.)
14:48<babilen>sschopman: You don't have to partition anything for grub specifically (unless you use EFI). And I've been referring to the images listed on:
14:49<SamB_laptop>babilen: or ancient BIOS that can't access much of your disk ;-)
14:49<sschopman>babilen, I think i do have EFI/UEFI
14:50<babilen>sschopman: Do you want to allocate the entire disk to Debian? Did you do that? (i.e. "Guided partititioning - Use entire disk")
14:50<babilen>And do the instructions the bot sent you work? Are you stuck somewhere?
14:50<sschopman>Well I have a 24g SSD and a 500g HDD… I want to use the SSD for the OS and the HDD for /home
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14:52<babilen>Okay, so you didn't use any of the guided partitioning schemes?
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14:54<sschopman>if you mean when the install help asks how you want to partition then no… I did manual partitions and researched how to do it
14:54<sschopman>also… babilen: Do I want to download cd or DVD images?
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14:55<sschopman>and if so which dvd image from here?
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14:58<jiggles>I've got a fresh install of wheezy on my laptop. I would like to not have any proprietary firmware running on this system, but I require iwlwifi non-free microcode for my wireless card. Is there any way for me to use xen or some other form of virtualization to install a copy of wheezy in a virtual environment that runs iwlwifi nonfree code, without having iwlwifi install on the host environment?
14:59<jiggles>That is, can I have proprietary hardware drivers in a virtualized environment, without having those drivers installed in the host environment?
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15:12<sschopman>babelin: you there?
15:12<sschopman>babilen: you there
15:13<sylar>do the kernel modules come in packages?
15:14<babilen>sschopman: yes, I'm still here. The problem is that EFI requires a quite specific partitioning scheme. But could you please try the instructions the bot sent you? It might be all you need to fix your installation.
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15:14<sschopman>what instructions?
15:14<babilen>The images simply differ in their selection of packages which only matters if you have no internet connection (or don't want to download packages during the installation).
15:14<babilen>dpkg: fixmbr
15:14<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
15:15<babilen>sschopman: Those ^^^ were sent to you in private by our bot quite some time ago.
15:15<sschopman>ahhh okay
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15:16<sschopman>babilen: before I do that… which image should i download? Cd or DVD and if DVD… which one from this list?
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15:17<babilen>sschopman: You will only ever need the first CD/DVD for the installation as that one contains the installer. The rest contain *all* other packages in Debian main and are therefore only of interest to you if you have no internet connection at all.
15:18<babilen>The installer is the same on *every* image and it will try to configure online mirrors during the installation. If a package is not available on the installation image it will then simply be downloaded. Do you have a working internet connection during the installation? If so: How do you connect to the internet and which device do you use for that?
15:19<sschopman>yes I have internet connection
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15:19<sschopman>I guess i just need some guidnance then to what image I want to download and put on my USB
15:19<jjacklin>Good Evening Everyone, I was wondering if you could kindly provide some assistance. I have a Lenovo G505 which uses broadcom drivers and for ages when ever I do a fresh installation of debian it asks me for the B43 Broadcom firmware, when I look on the debian wiki it advises me to get it via apt-get update however it does not recognise the lan either as its a simular device. I can get the files thats fine but could anyone
15:19<jjacklin>please be able to inform me how I add it to the iso image?
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15:25<lipizzan>is there a ncurses cpu monitor that reports at the bottom of the console?
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15:27<babilen>sschopman: You can really use any image. It doesn't really matter. Do you know which desktop environment you would like to use?
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15:27<sschopman>babilen: I think gnome 3
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15:28<babilen>sschopman: Okay, you can use the netinstall, CD1, DVD1 and BD1 for the installation. The netinstall will have to download additional packages during the installation. How do you connect to the internet?
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15:29<jjacklin>if it recognises your hardware it should either pick up your wireless and ask you to connect to a network or if you have a lan cable in it will just resume
15:29<sschopman>wifi at the moment… but am I doing this on the machine I was to install debian on or can i do this on any machine and then put the image on a usb? I cant do anything on the machine i was to run debian on yet since i havent resolved the grub issue yet
15:30<babilen>sschopman: Doing what exactly?
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15:31<sschopman>babilen: not sure what you are asking..
15:31<sschopman>I have a image on my USB… so I have a live usb… but that is the original image file i showed you
15:31<sschopman>i havent put anything new on my USBN
15:31<babilen>sschopman: You say "but am I doing this ... or can i do this on any machine ..." -- What does 'this' refer to?
15:32<babilen>I was under the impression that you don't want to try fixing grub anymore, but that you decided to install Debian from scratch.
15:32<sschopman>babilen: I am currently on a mac workstation at my work… I want to install Debian on my Asus Zenbook…
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15:33<sschopman>babilen: yes that is what I want to do… install from scratch… but my zenbook is still stuck on the grub command line stuff… and I havent downloaded a new imagew file yet… i still have debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-gnome-desktop on my USB
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15:34<babilen>sschopman: So, you are now at a point where you have to download another image and write it to the USB, aren't you? You are simply not sure which image to download, aren't you?
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15:35<sschopman>babilen: yes… I have NOT downloaded a new image file… I am not sure which to download… if you could send me a link for which one i should download that would be great
15:35<sschopman>i think i want to use gnome
15:36<jjacklin>do you know what architecture your machine is? Is it 32 bit or 64 bit?
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15:37<babilen>sschopman: Yes, we established that already. I also asked you earlier: "How do you connect to the internet" and "Which device do you use for that?" (e.g. "Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300")
15:37<sschopman>jjacklin: if youre talking to me it is 64bit
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15:38<babilen>sschopman: Background to my question is that I want to know if you can connect via ethernet in addition to wifi and if your wifi adaptor requires non-free firmware. Our installer images do not contain firmware by default, but there are firmware images.
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15:38<sschopman>not sure about my ethernet hardware...
15:38<sschopman>ill have to look that up
15:38<sschopman>we are talking about my Zenbook that i want to install debian correct? Not the mac workstation I am currtently on
15:38<babilen>And wifi?
15:39<babilen>Yes, we are talking about the system you want to install Debian on.
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15:39<babilen>sschopman: Well, but then: Just download and write as detailed in the link I sent you earlier.
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15:40<jjacklin>babilen, does that a large majority of firmware
15:40<jjacklin>that cover*
15:40<babilen>sschopman: That image does *not* contain everything you need for installing Gnome and will have to download those additional packages during the installation. It does, however, contain firmware so you will, hopefully, be able to use your wifi adaptor.
15:40<oskie>proof load avg values are pointless: 21:40:32 up 15 days, 2:05, 3 users, load average: 10979.08, 6618.47, 2820.12 <- yet the system has 0% cpu load
15:40<babilen>jjacklin: Yes it does
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15:41<babilen>sschopman: As you cannot give us details about the harddware you are installing on we cannot check the exact requirements. But you could just give this a try.
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15:42<jjacklin>cool so all I will need to do is just specify a mirror and then it will pull the packages and do a full installation?
15:42<sschopman>babilen: i am not sure how to go about downloading this when my zenbook is currently not working right now… i still havent resolved the grub command line screen issue
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15:42<babilen>sschopman: Then: *Iff* you are using EFI then choose "Guided partitioning - Use entire disk" during the partitioning step and let it setup the required partitions for EFI. You would then continue to customise that partitioning scheme by adding your second disk for /home.
15:43<babilen>sschopman: Can't you download it on your Mac workstation?
15:43<babilen>jjacklin: yes
15:43<jjacklin>thank you very much
15:44<sschopman>Babilen: yes i can download that link you sent me on my mac
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15:45<babilen>jjacklin: You can use *any* package, write it to USB and create a (vfat) filesystem on the second partition. Continue with downloading and unpack it there. (that way you can use CD1 with firmware for example)
15:45<jjacklin>sschopman, if you have got a usb pen drive, download the iso specified by bablien and then download this program
15:45<babilen>sschopman: So, why don't you do that?
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15:45<babilen>jjacklin: NOOOO
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15:45<babilen>jjacklin: Not unetbooting
15:45<SamB_laptop>hmm, I think I'm going to have to give up on WindowMaker for the moment: it has nothing like proper xinerama/xrandr support ...
15:45<babilen>dpkg: unetbootin
15:45<dpkg>UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. Not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
15:46<jjacklin>oh? isnt that a good tool to use to make a bootable usb drive then?
15:46<babilen>sschopman: Write the image to your USB as detailed on the I gave you earlier and reinstall Debian.
15:46<babilen>jjacklin: No, it breaks our installers
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15:46<jjacklin>I diddnt know that lol I had used it for a couple of recent installations and it had worked fine using an iso provided from your servers
15:47<blast007>then you got lucky
15:47<jjacklin>so what way would you guys do it?
15:48<blast007>jjacklin: the debian installer ISOs are already hybrid, meaning they can be imaged directly to a flash drive and will boot just fine
15:48<sschopman>babilen: what image am i writing to my USB?
15:48<sschopman>babilen: the firmware iso?
15:49<jjacklin>cool, you learn something new everyday. I am glad you told me that because I will be formatting my work pc with debian tomorrow
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15:52<jjacklin>sschopman, yes if you load the firmware iso that babilen gave us a link for
15:52<babilen>jjacklin: You would simply use "cp debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" (assuming /dev/sdb is your USB drive) if you are on Linux. On Windows we typically recommend win32imagewriter and on OSX the procedure detailed on
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15:52<babilen> is the tool for Windows
15:53<sschopman>jjacklin: guess i am just confused about putting the firmware iso on the usb… am i not putting a debian image on my iso as well?
15:54<jjacklin>sschopman, the firmware iso is the debian installer with all of the firmware that is not included be default from debian.
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15:54<sschopman> ahhhh
15:54<sschopman>okay now that makes sence
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15:55<sschopman>so i burn this firmware iso onto my USB and it should give me the same OS enviroment and everything to install debian on my system?
15:55<jjacklin>yeah, if you follow that mac tutorial above it should go ok
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15:57<jjacklin>sschopman, for example my lenovo g505 requires the b43 firmware for its wireless card and thisis not included by default and so when I use the full installer I either need to source this firmware which is a .deb file and in my experience has not been picked up by the debian installer. So I have downloaded that iso and just burnt it to cd as its easier for me than usb but you can follow the tutorial above for mac and then
15:57<jjacklin> boot it. Hopefully it will pick up your device then you select a mirror and just run through the installation
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15:58<sschopman>got it
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15:59<jjacklin>wish me luck and hopefully see you in a short while lol
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16:23<jjacklin>oki doki then lol that live cd diddnt work
16:23<jjacklin>well it did but then when it got to the mirrors part it crapped out on the connection
16:24<sschopman>babilen: I have the firmware image booted up on my zenbook now and going through the graphical install process… I am stuck at the screen that says “Detect network hardware: No Ethernet Card was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your ethernet card, you can select it from the list.” Not sure what to select… and dont know my ethernet card… any easy way to get this information?
16:24<jjacklin>if you click cancel on that does it give you the option to use a wireless adapter
16:25<babilen>skip it (and just ask the channel - i'm rather busy with #indyref)
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16:27<jjacklin>babilen how would I get the firmware on a pen drive, do I need to extract a deb file to it
16:27<jjacklin>to get it to be read by the debian installer
16:27<babilen>jjacklin: I told you earlier, you download the firmware.{tar.gz,zip} and unpack it to the second partition on which you created a vfat filesystem.
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16:40<sschopman>babilen: not sure where to go… I select
16:40<sschopman>“no ethernet card” and then it takes me to configure the network… not sure what to do
16:41<babilen>sschopman: You would want to configure your wireless network. Does it not allow you to do that?
16:41<sschopman>babilen: I dont think it does
16:41<sschopman>i hit continue after “configure the network"
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16:42<sschopman>then it asked me to put a hostname and it sets it as debian
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16:44<babilen>sschopman: So you cannot configure your wireless network? Or did it acquire an address?
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16:44<babilen>Anyway, /me is off now.
16:45<babilen>You could also use CD1 as that contains everything you need to install Gnome and the grub install problem shouldn't be there if you follow this procedure.
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16:46<sschopman>babilen: where do i get cd1? is that another iso file that i would download and put on my USB and boot into?
16:46<babilen>It is indeed
16:46<sschopman>could you send me a link?
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16:46<babilen>sschopman: (I think I mentioned that earlier)
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16:46<sschopman>babilen: do i select one from here?
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16:47<sylar>what to do about: /usr/include/bits/errno.h:25:26: error: linux/errno.h: No such file or directory
16:47<weasel>install libc6-dev
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16:47<babilen>sschopman: I was referring to the CD1 image, but you can also download the DVD1 one in that directory, yes.
16:47<weasel>also learn about or apt-file or ...
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16:50<sschopman>babilen: Is there any difference between using the cd vs dvd
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16:51<babilen>sschopman: The DVD images are larger and contain more packages
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16:52<@babilen>liliya54: Please fix your connection. (#debian-ops for follow-ups)
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16:53<jjacklin>i find the dvd images are far more reliable than the cd images like for example when your debian installation refuses to pick up another network connection after its dropped it then least with the dvd installer you can continue to a useable graphical interface and install the drivers using a deb installer later
16:53<sylar>weasel: libc6-dev is already the newest version
16:53<weasel>ah. linux/errno.h. that's in the kernel headers.
16:53<babilen>The CD1 images contain everything you need to install Gnome
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16:54<weasel>well, the mini.iso contains everything I need to install gnome too :)
16:54<weasel>(because it gives me network)
16:54<sylar>weasel, I have kerneal headers for amd64
16:54<valdyn>sylar: linux-libc-dev is the package you want
16:54<valdyn>sylar: not the actual kernel headers
16:55<sylar>valdyn, linux-libc-dev is already the newest version.
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16:57<valdyn>sylar: you already have /usr/include/linux/errno.h then.
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16:58<sylar>I have /usr/include/linux/ but no errno.h there
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17:18<sylar>anyone know where to get linux/errno.h?
17:18<Kjetil>linux-headers or something
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17:19<sylar>I got linux headers
17:19<towo`>towo:Defiant> apt-file find /usr/include/linux/errno.h
17:19<towo`>linux-libc-dev: /usr/include/linux/errno.h
17:19<sylar>do I need all the version or enough to have one?
17:20<sylar>I got that one too
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17:20<sylar>linux-libc-dev, I have it
17:21<sylar>but not that errno
17:21<Kjetil>libc6-dev ?
17:23<sylar>but the version is 2.26 something and my kernel 3.2
17:23<sylar>does it matter?
17:24<sylar>i mean 2.6.32
17:24<sylar>upped it
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17:30<sylar>ok, the newer version had it
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21:08<viciv>Heya, I'm new to linux and as of last night my server started to randomly halt.
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21:10<dualbus>viciv: care to give more details? What debian version? what architecture? contents of the /var/log relevant logs?
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21:11<viciv>Wheezy, amd64
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21:15<_flip>i'm not sure viciv
21:15<_flip>do you have anything in /etc/cron.hourly/ ?
21:15<viciv>Sec Let me see if it'll start for a few minutes
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21:19<viciv>dir is empty
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21:21<viciv>Just noticed, I'm using xrdp with an xfce4 session
21:21<viciv>halts on login now
21:23<_flip>weird. I've never used that, all my debians installs have been headless, so not sure if i'll be of much help :p
21:24<viciv>I want to run headless but I'm an idiot and can't figure out how to keep my program running when I close putty
21:25<_flip>screen or tmux
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21:27<_flip>apparently all the cool kids use tmux these days. I'm more of a screen man myself.
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21:28<viciv>Just installed screen
21:29<viciv>Awesome, Thanks man.
21:29<_flip>no problem
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21:45<viciv>My program closes when I switch screens
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21:46<_flip>how are you switching screens
21:46<_flip>are you sure?
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22:01<viciv>Going back to windows
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22:02<txt-file>can you please provide more information?
22:04<viciv>I purged xrdp
22:05<viciv>and then sudo screen -A -S test
22:05<viciv>closed putty
22:05<viciv>ran for like 5 minutes
22:05<viciv>then I checked ipmi and halt again.
22:05<txt-file>yeah … you should not just close putty
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22:06<viciv>Whole server shutdown.
22:06<_flip>run "screen -S test", this gives you a new terminal session, run your program, CTRL+A, CTRL+D to detach from screen, logout
22:07<viciv>I did that
22:07<_flip>what are you trying to run?
22:07<viciv>Server for an android game I'm working on.
22:08<_flip>i can't see how the computer would just shutdown like that
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22:08<txt-file>me neither
22:08<_flip>or do you mean just the game server?
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22:08<viciv>Whole server
22:09<viciv>Broadcast message from root@game (pts/2) (Thu Sep 18 18:41:30 2014):
22:09<viciv>The system is going down for system halt NOW!
22:09<_flip>every time you try to run the game server?
22:09<txt-file>please specifd "everytime"
22:09<viciv>Well it ran fine for like
22:09<viciv>4 months
22:09<viciv>then last night this started
22:10<viciv>And it's totally random, I can get 1 hour of uptime or I can get 1 minute.
22:10<viciv>Checked temps etc
22:10<viciv>they're all good.
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22:11<_flip>so you start this game server and it shuts down your debian install?
22:11<_flip>does it just keep running if you don't start the game server?
22:12<_flip>so the debian install is just unstable?
22:12<viciv>Sorry if I seem demanding and such
22:13<Champie>the message you are getting make me think that someone is pressing the power button of your server viciv
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22:13<viciv>That's what I was thinking.
22:14<Champie>omfg... note to self: don't irc when being lightheaded from wodka
22:14<_flip>why Champie, that sounds awesome?
22:14<Champie>well sure, but it makes typing a little tricky :p
22:15<Champie>typo-free typing that is
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22:15<Champie>yeah well, holiday++ etc :)
22:15<viciv>My typing is roller coaster when I drink
22:15<Champie>also: backspace++ :)
22:16<Champie>viciv: you running systemd or not ?
22:17<viciv>I'm honestly not sure
22:17<Champie>'cause if you're noyt running systemd yoiu might try disabling the poweroff behaiour of power bitytun pressing
22:17<viciv>I just downloaded the deb image and installed it.
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22:17<Champie>noiw that was one phrase wirthout 90% of my babilenckpace needs
22:18<Champie>fuck this :p
22:18<viciv>Yea you're at the end of the the roller coaster lol
22:18<_flip>Champie would you not be albe to disable that with SystemD?
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22:19<viciv>How would one go about doing that?
22:19<Champie>_flip: iirc, systemd overrides /etc/inittab
22:19<Champie>or am I wrong ?
22:20<_flip>i don't know tbh, but i wouldnt be surprised
22:20<viciv>Why can't linux be install and play T.T
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22:21<Champie>hmz, seems you can alter behaviour of ctrl ald del being pressed in inittab
22:21<_flip>it is...
22:21<Champie>power button, not so sure
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22:21<_flip>what about /etc/acpi/
22:23<Champie>that seems to be a good pointer too
22:24<_flip>also /usr/share/doc/acpid/examples/
22:24<Champie>viciv: other than that or your server being 0wn3d, no idea
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22:24<_flip>i had that thought too...
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22:25<dualbus>viciv: it is install and play, maybe you have faulty hardware and running the game server triggers it, bad RAM, power supply, ...
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22:25<dualbus>certainly 'my server restarts randomly' is not a common issue with debian
22:25<txt-file>but who would stop a server … better install some scripts and do illegal stuff ;-)
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22:26<Champie>dualbus: my guess would be that faulty hardware would trigger a reboot, but not a shutdown
22:27<viciv>Yea it's a total shutdown
22:27<viciv>Provider just offered to check into it
22:28<dualbus>Champie: true
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22:32<Champie>I'm betting on the "pwned" card
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22:34<_flip>viciv which version are you on? can you run lsb_release -a
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22:35<viciv>No LSB modules are available.
22:35<viciv>Distributor ID: Debian
22:35<viciv>Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.6 (wheezy)
22:35<viciv>Release: 7.6
22:35<viciv>Codename: wheezy
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22:38<_flip>i think he said "oh f this, i'm installing windows"
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22:39<_flip>can you post kernel logs?
22:39<_flip>syslog too?
22:39<Champie>_flip: I'll have your 5 dollars you just lost ;)
22:41<Champie>Hmz, you seem to be in Euro-land. s/dollar/euro then :>
22:43<Champie>askanaa: index, inflation, bladibla :)
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22:44<Champie>anyway viciv, if you're running standard Wheezy then you shouldn't be running systemd so your system should be honoring /etc/inittab and the acpid thing that _flip posted earlier
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22:59<_flip>checking now
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23:12*Champie going to sign off for tonight - gonna sleep the wodka off a bit
23:12<Champie>be back much later :>
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23:13<_flip>viciv: can you try logging calls to the powerbutton scripts i posted before?
23:14<_flip>Champie you just need more vodka redbulls
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23:24<_flip>viciv, that should tell us if it's indeed the powerbutton getting pressed.
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23:38<loudaslife>Is there a utility similar to aticonfig for the open source amd drivers?
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