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---Logopened Tue Sep 23 00:00:22 2014
00:01<omixam>nick you use alsa or pulseaudio?
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00:20<txt-file>I have a problem with one of my debian servers. When I run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" they both get stuck at "Reading package lists... 0%"
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00:21<txt-file>There is no cpu load on the server and ram is also enough available
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00:22<txt-file>damn … now I see that top tells me that the cpu is doing 100% wait
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00:41<txt-file>but why? ^
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03:00<bigoloo>hi all
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03:01<bigoloo>how can i install openstack on debia
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03:03<jm_>it's available in testing/unstable
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04:41<gnumonk>is there anyway to encrypt the password in .netrc or .authinfo.
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04:50<mgv>gnumonk: .authinfo can be gpg encrypted, emacs will still read it
04:51<mgv>gpg encrypted .netrc works for git
04:52<mgv>so.. it depends on the program that wants to read .netrc/.authinfo. some know how to decrypt it, some don't
04:53<gnumonk>mgv: I am using gnus with emacs
04:54<gnumonk>mgv: ok
04:54<mgv>basically, encrypt .authinfo to .authinfo.gpg using gpg
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04:59<gnumonk>mgv: yep, its working, Thanks much.
04:59<mgv>you're welcome
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05:09<zumer>çàõîäè íå ïîæàëååøü òóò êðóòî
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05:10<zumer> ðåàëüíû çàðîáîòîê äëÿ òåáÿ áåç âëîæåíèé)
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06:18<danijoo>Is the init.d script from php5-fpm (version 5.6) broken?
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06:19<jm_>you mean this ?
06:19<jm_>danijoo ^^^
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06:20<danijoo>i dont even get this :D
06:20<danijoo>root@test:/# service php5-fpm restart
06:20<danijoo>restart: Unknown job: php5-fpm
06:20<jm_>which init system is this?
06:20<txt-file>I have a big problem with apt. When I run "apt-get update" it stays at "Reading package lists... 0%" Even after an hour it is still at 0%. And top tells me that some process is doing 100% IO-WAIT.
06:21<danijoo>also if I cd to /etc/init.d and execute ./php5-fpm it does nothing
06:22<danijoo>doesnt even show the usual "run this with [start|stop|...] stuff
06:22<danijoo>it worked when I was on php5.5 though
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06:23<jm_>and if you run sh -x ./php5-fpm?
06:24<danijoo>lot of output. want to see it? :p
06:24<jm_>perhaps /usr/sbin/php5-fpm is missing - that would cause such behaviour
06:24<jm_>put it on pastebin (/msg dpkg paste)
06:25<danijoo>nope /usr/sbin/php5-fpm is there
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06:26<danijoo>if I run /usr/sbin/php5-fpm it seems to startup correctly btw
06:26<jm_>it exits in /lib/lsb/init-functions
06:26<danijoo>at least I get the usual "ready to handle connections in fpm log then"
06:27<Brigo>init_is_upstart ??
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06:28<jm_>you must be using upstart
06:29<jm_>otherwise -x /sbin/initctl should fail
06:29<jm_>or it's installed but not used if that's possible
06:29<Brigo>it is possible.
06:29<Brigo>that is why the script fail, i think
06:30<danijoo>its not installed :)
06:30<jm_>what does dpkg -S /sbin/initctl say then?
06:30<Brigo>it detects upstart, but does not check if it is running.
06:30<danijoo>root@test:/etc/init.d# dpkg -S /sbin/initctl
06:30<danijoo>upstart: /sbin/initctl
06:30<jm_>stop fooling with us
06:31<danijoo>sorry im not that experienced.. :x
06:31<jm_>so i'm pretty sure you're using upstart
06:31<Brigo>jm_, cannot upstart be installed but not running?
06:32<jm_>Brigo: not sure, the wiki says "because it replaces /sbin/init "
06:32<danijoo>never heard of upstart so i thought this is sth like an init.d alternative. Should read before answering. sry
06:32<jm_>and someone so inexperienced probably would not succeed in manually reverting that
06:32<Brigo>jm_, thats would explain why the script fails, try to use initctl that has no daemon running.
06:33<Brigo>danijoo, try to remove upstart
06:34<sylar>fakeroot make -f debian/rules.gen binary-arch_i386_none_amd64
06:34<sylar>does this ^ make sense?
06:34<sylar>binary-arch_i386_none_amd64 ?
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06:34<danijoo>Brigo: wow. that did it.
06:34<danijoo>its working now
06:35<danijoo>Could you tell me what the problem was or give me a hint for reading into it?
06:37<Brigo>danijoo, a script bug, it detect upstart installed and try to use it, but upstart is installed but not running. The script should check it.
06:37<danijoo>So its at least not my fault :) Should i report that?
06:38<Brigo>danijoo, i think so.
06:38<danijoo>couldnt find something like that in the tracker
06:38<danijoo>thatnks for the fast help guys
06:38<Brigo>danijoo, np :)
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06:59<jm_>I think his problem was that upstart has been installed, but no reboot happened since then
07:02<danijoo>then some other package must have installed it as dependency because i didnt do it by hand.
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07:05<danijoo>but reading the buglist from php5.6 makes me believe that I should stay away from it in my production environment anyways.. at least for another few months.
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07:05<panos>i have a usb 3g modem (ZTE MF 195) . is there a way to use the gps capabilities in linux?
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07:07<petn-randall>danijoo: I'm pretty sure that nothing in Debian pulled in upstart. Maybe you mixed repos intended for Ubuntu into your system?
07:08<danijoo>petn-randall: I added nothing but
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07:10<peter1138>11:18 < danijoo> Is the init.d script from php5-fpm (version 5.6) broken?
07:10<peter1138>was never any point asking that really
07:11<peter1138>as it's not debian
07:12<petn-randall>!dotdeb alternatives
07:12<dpkg>Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'".
07:12<petn-randall>danijoo: ^^^
07:13<danijoo>petn-randall: thanks :)
07:13<danijoo>good to know that..
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07:35<RockyRoad>Hi, what is the difference between cp and dd for a command like : cp debian-live-7.6.0-amd64-kde-desktop.iso /dev/sdb
07:36<jm_>ahh version 5.6, should have noticed that's not stable
07:36<RockyRoad>I'm more used to dd for that but recommends cp
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07:36<jm_>RockyRoad: some people say using cp is faster, personally I always used dd and never noticed it being slow
07:37<RockyRoad>I launched it 30 mins ago or so, not yet finished !
07:37<jm_>you can run killall -USR1 dd to see the progress
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07:41<RockyRoad>I didn't know that command. Is USR1 a signal ? It won't kill the command ?
07:41<RockyRoad>hold on, cp has just finished !
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07:42<RockyRoad>I need extra care for installing in UEFI mode ...
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07:43<jm_>ahh you used cp, that only works for dd, sorry for misunderstanding
07:44<jm_>but if you used the killall command I mentioned it would not affect cp
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07:46<RockyRoad>... this command had worked well for netinst image: hybrid layout (2 partitions), but here I get a single sdb1 id 17 "Hidden HPFS/NTFS"
07:47<RockyRoad>I'm afraid it won't be UEFI-bootable
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07:50*RockyRoad is trying to convert usb-key partition with gdisk
07:51<petn-randall>RockyRoad: There's no need to change anything with the netinst images, they're UEFI and BIOS bootable.
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07:52<RockyRoad>ty petn-randall . True, I succeeded with netinst with now I was trying with a live image with kde
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07:53<RockyRoad>(exact name above)
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07:54<petn-randall>RockyRoad: FYI, the reason why cp is preferred is because it automatically adjusts the block size to the device, leading to a lot better,predictable writing times over dd. The end result is the same however.
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08:04<lanoxx>is there a recommended way to clean up stale lock file? I am creating a lock file for my application with g_open (lock_file_full, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, 0); Now I am thinking of the rare case that the program is interrupted or killed before it can cleanup its lockfile. what is the recommended way to detect this and delete the stale lock file?
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08:22<petn-randall>lanoxx: The good way would be to check if a process is accessing it, and if yes, fail. If no process has it opened, delete it, log it and start.
08:22<lanoxx>petn-randall, should i do that with popen("lsof <file>") or is there a better way?
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08:47<valdyn>lanoxx: why are you locking in the first place?
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08:48<valdyn>lanoxx: theres good reasons why one might not want to cleanup a lock like that automatically
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08:49<lanoxx>valdyn, because it is possible (and intended) that the application can be started several times, but if start up happens at the same time then there may be a race condition
08:51<lanoxx>valdyn, I write a per process lock file once the application starts and then open a config file based on the number of lock files that are open, but I need to use a global lock file to synchronize counting the number of lock files and creating the per process lock file
08:52<lanoxx>checking if a process has the global lock file open seems like a good idea, or not?
08:52<valdyn>lanoxx: yes
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08:53<lanoxx>I am now going to use popen("lsof -F p %s", global_lock_file);
08:55<valdyn>lanoxx: that looks bad
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08:55<lanoxx>valdyn, i am open for a better suggestion
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08:58<lanoxx>valdyn, is using popen with lsof a bad idea?
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08:59<valdyn>lanoxx: thats bad style, seriously
08:59<valdyn>lanoxx: but since im not a C programmer i have to google for something better
08:59<lanoxx>valdyn, I have been trying to google for a better solution but so far I have not found anything
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09:00<supaman>ask #c on freenode
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09:01<lanoxx>supaman, good suggestion, thanks
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09:19<lanoxx>valdyn, my example of using popen was actually with wrong syntax, here is a working example that i have come up now, do you still consider that bad style?
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09:23<JakoPlay>geiler Chat
09:23<Technocafter>voll geil alta
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09:29<ktl>Morning everyone.
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09:30<ktl>I'm having an issue with my ssh client on jessie. I did an apt update yesterday and now certain know host keys in known_hosts aren't working. i'm getting the "The authenticity of host 'blah' can't be established' for some servers I've been connecting to for years.
09:30<ktl>Looking at the openssh-client change log I don't see any changes that would invalidate known host keys. Is anyone aware of an update that would make that happen?
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09:39<duclicsic>ktl: maybe your stored known_hosts keys were using an old format that the ssh client now dislikes?
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09:40<duclicsic>looks like such changes may have come with version 6.5
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09:46<trololo>Hi all got a problem I have installed gdm3 but ... moves me to old gnome plus everything is dark and I cant see my mouse pointer
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09:48<trololo>any helping idea?
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09:58<Technocafter>JAkoplay fucker#
09:58<Technocafter>ne scherzu
09:58<Technocafter>mit pu
09:59<Technocafter>wer spricht deutsch
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09:59<Technocafter>wart wer bist du
09:59<Technocafter>warum steht dort m,ein name
10:00<Technocafter>vielleicht ein hacker
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10:00<Technocafter>ich hab des net s
10:00<themill>Technocafter: enough, thanks.
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10:05<Technocafter>fuuuuuccckkt eeeiiiiccchhh
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10:13<Amnesia>hi question, since xorg 1.16 X seems to bind to vtty1, which means vtty1 becomes inaccessible. Is there some way to access vtty1 while X is bound to it?
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10:15<peter1138>Debian uses XOrg 1.12.4
10:16<Amnesia>peter1138: I'm using unsable
10:16<peter1138>or 7.7, i guess, depending on which version number you look at
10:16<peter1138>#debian-next for unstable
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10:32<pabs>I'm upgrading the disks on a server with EFI boot. I want to replace both disks. I have RAID-1 on the /boot and other partitions, how do I ensure that EFI is setup properly to boot once I've transitioned to the new disks? when I run grub-install only one of the boot things mentions Debian
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10:32<pabs>I've created a new EFI partition for /boot/efi to reside on
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10:39<pabs>nevermind, seems the first printout is it deleting Debian from EFI and the second is re-adding it
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11:14<Speed2u>Having some trouble when testing out a web server before production use (Debian 7), i'm trying to create a self signed SSL certificate to test virtual hosts with https, but i can't really get openssl to work properly, when trying to type these commands i get the errors shown. I don't even have the file it complaining about. Google gives me nothing useful
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11:17<duclicsic>Speed2u: does the file it's complaining about exist?
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11:18<duclicsic>if so, check the permissions on it maybe?
11:18<Speed2u>duclicsic nope it's not exist at all, that's tha strange part
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11:18<duclicsic>Speed2u: do you have a /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf ?
11:19<Speed2u>nope. i don't even have /etc/ssl
11:19<duclicsic>because for me, "/usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf" is just a symlink to that
11:20<duclicsic>i might consider reinstalling openssl
11:20<Speed2u>openssl: /usr/bin/openssl /usr/share/man/man1/openssl.1ssl.gz that seems to be the only places where i have openssl
11:20<duclicsic>do dpkg -L openssl
11:21<duclicsic>see if you can spot an openssl.cnf in there
11:21<Speed2u>if i reinstall openssl, don't things break with my other configs such as ssl_cert, and libapache2-mod-ssl
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11:21<Speed2u>ok thank you
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11:22<Speed2u>now i'm confused.. the line /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf is there.. but i have no dir called ssl under /etc/
11:23<duclicsic>sounds like something has removed it
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11:24<Speed2u>hmm.. ok, so your suggestion is to apt-get remove openssl and install it again? i'm just worried that every ssl setting i have made in apache will be resetted too. Kinda new with linux i have only managed windows web servers with ssl before
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11:24<duclicsic>Speed2u: i'm not certain that's the best way
11:25<duclicsic>i'm reading :)
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11:26<Speed2u>duclicsic i have spent around 3 hours at google and even asked this at 2 forums without answer :) really glad you try to help
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11:27<pabs>I would try apt-get --reinstall install openssl
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11:28<Speed2u>pabs, how is it about e.g the ssh_cert package, and my configuration files for apache2 containing where ssl is installed etc, will that remain untouched if i do that?
11:28<pabs>should do yes
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11:28<Speed2u>ssl_cert i mean
11:28<duclicsic>if in doubt back up your stuff
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11:30<Speed2u>i have no critical stuff on the server yet, just feels a bit too worried i guess since i'm not too well confident with linux, as a windows admin for too many years. i do this mostly because i want to leave the sinking ship
11:32<Speed2u>i'll try pabs tip now, hold on :P
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11:33<Speed2u>reinstalling went smoothly, let's see if the file is there now
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11:36<Speed2u>Now i have /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf but i have no /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf, as it should be a symlink to that file? still confused :P
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11:37<valdyn>Speed2u: why did you delete /etc/ssl ?
11:37<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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11:45<Speed2u>i'm back. now i'm even more confused sorry :P dpkg: shall i remove openssl once again and then run dpkg reinstall openssl(?)
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11:47<Speed2u>valdyn i did't removed anything manually.. it must have been done automatically when installing another package or so
11:47<Speed2u>now i have /etc/ssl after a reinstall of openssl. it contains just 2 catalogs, certs and private
11:48<RockyRoad>Re, I'm back with a brand new KDE-Wheezy. I thought my next step would be to install thunderbird (reusing my old .thunderbird tree), but I'm confused now ... Thunderbird absent from repo while icedove future is unsure ?
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11:49<RockyRoad>What is the story ? What should I install now ?
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11:50<Speed2u>tried to make the cert again.. same result even after reinstalling just as i expected, thugh /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf is still missing
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11:51<RockyRoad>ok I didn't read thoroughly, but I understood debian would come back to mainstream tb
11:52<Speed2u>If i type file openssl.cnf i see what the problem is in clear text, openssl.cnf: broken symbolic link to `/etc/ssl/openssl.cnf' but i don't know how to fix it
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11:53<duclicsic>Speed2u: that just means the link is pointing at a file that doesn't exist
11:53<RockyRoad>and I don't know if my data will be well imported ( I keep lots of old mail in many different accounts, most imap)
11:53<duclicsic>Speed2u: just to be sure, what version of debian are you working in?
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11:54<peter1138>RockyRoad, thunderbird hasn't been in debian since 4.0 (2007)
11:54<Speed2u>duclicsic 7, wheezy, stable :)
11:55<duclicsic>Speed2u: my suggestion would be to grab a default copy of the openssl config file and put it there manually
11:55<RockyRoad>sorry for the interference. peter1138 , I was using ubuntu so far.
11:55<peter1138>welcome to the lightside :p
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11:56<RockyRoad>peter1138, so is icedove the way to go ?
11:57<sx>Hi, I'm trying to install pipelight on wheezy, and I can't get apt to install its dependencies. In fact it leads to libasound:i386, with which I had trouble installing before. I'm not sure whether it's a debian problem or my apt configuration is causing this:
11:57<RockyRoad>ty. I'll start with a copy of my data tree
11:58<Speed2u>duclicsic that's a bit over my knowledge atm. :P i don't know why the thing is broken at the first place, i have NOT removed the ssl dir from /etc, i guess i have to install debian wheezy in a vm and then copy everything over with sftp to replace my current openssl files? or is it a better/easier way?
11:59<duclicsic>Speed2u: do apt-get download openssl
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11:59<duclicsic>then dpkg-deb -R openssl-whatever.deb destination-dir/
12:00<duclicsic>that will extract everything in the package to a directory
12:00<duclicsic>you can grab the default config out of there
12:00<duclicsic>now, i must go. best of luck :)
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12:01<Speed2u>duclicsic thank you, i will sit here ripping my hair a little longer :P thanks anyway for tryin'
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12:28<Baphomet_>i want to do dual screen , but when i set it, he say an error 1920*1920 maximum resolution , i have 1 displat at 1920*1080 and i want second on 1280*1024 , you have an idea how i can do that ?
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12:30<Speed2u_>dont get the tip from duclicsic to work
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12:34<Speed2u_>tried to compleatly remove openssl now, and then install it via apt-get again.. it went smoothly but when installing the package ca-certificates i get the same warning again over and over again
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12:35<Speed2u_>cant be forced to a total reinstall of the system just because of this ssl problem
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12:36<adc>Baphomet_: are you using the Gnome desktop environment or something else? You can use xrandr irregardless (see `man xrandr`), but gnome-control-center may have some GUI dialogs to setup your screens
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12:41<somiaj>!tell Speed2u about confmiss
12:41<somiaj>Speed2u: you should not need to reinstall teh whole os to get back the config files you are missing.
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12:41<somiaj>Speed2u: if you acidentally deleted them you need to add the confmiss option because apt won't automatically regenrate them with out that
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12:43<Speed2u>i've got a PM now that i shall try to understand. I will try that and see how it works, the strange thing is that i have NOT removed anything by accident, i'm 100% sure. This "bug" was here from the beginning
12:43<Baphomet_>with xrandr , i can have my 2 screen but not extented
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12:45<adc>Baphomet_: what do you mean by extended? Is the problem that they display the same content or that one of the screens has the wrong resolution?
12:46<Baphomet_>with lxrandr i fix wrong resulotion , but now the problem is they display the same content
12:46<Speed2u>tried to execute the command sudo aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='force-confmiss' reinstall $openssl now, nothing to be installed.. I must be doing something really bad to deserve this :P
12:47<adc>Baphomet_: ok, you can fix that by specifying that one of the displays is for instance '--right-of' the other display. An example: `xrandr --output DP-1 --output DP-2 --right-of DP-1`
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12:47<adc>Baphomet_: you may want to specify the --mode for each display too
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12:49<Baphomet_>i use you're command , i have this error again "xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 3200x1080)"
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12:52<adc>Baphomet_: are you sure the display really can handle that big a resolution? You can get a list of supported modes with `xrandr -q`.
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12:52<adc>Baphomet_: you specify the resolution per display, not the total resolution across both screens
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12:53<Baphomet_>yes first display : 1920x1080 60.0*+ second : 1280x1024 60.0*+
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12:54<adc>Baphomet_: ok, so you set the mode of the first display to --mode 1920x1080, and for the second display you set --mode 1280x1024. That gives you a total horizontal resolution of 3200 px
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12:55<mczlatan>bots at work
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13:02<Baphomet_>it already set to 192*108 and 1280*1024
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13:04<adc>Baphomet_: i think that is as good as it gets. You cannot get a vertical resolution of 1080 on both displays.
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13:05<Speed2u>still fighting the problem with ssl :( can't understand the confmiss, everything i try fails
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13:07<Baphomet_>i just want to work on my 2 screen at the same time , like my code on left display and my soft on the rigth display
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13:08<adc>Baphomet_: yes, and that is perfectly possible with the --right-of, --left-of (and so on) commands. I got to go, read `man xrandr` for more info
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13:08<Baphomet_>it supposed to work" xrandr --output DVI-0 --output VGA-0 --right-of DVI-0"
13:08<trico>Baphomet_: what video card is that/
13:09<Baphomet_>i have 2 ATI 5670
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13:09<trico>ok. seems good enoguh
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13:10<somiaj>Baphomet_: usually you should specifiy what mode each --output uses, so xrandr --output DVI-0 --mode foo --output VGA-0 --mode bar --right-of DVI-0
13:10<Speed2u>is it any way to cpmpleate ramove everything that has with openssl to do, including settings. and reinstall it again from apt-get lists?
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13:12<Zaba>Baphomet_, can you pastebin the output of 'xrandr'?
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13:12<somiaj>Speed2u: you may end up removing to much, what file is missing again?
13:13<somiaj>on my machine /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf is owned byt eh openssl package.
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13:15<Baphomet_>Zaba you want i copy paste the output when i use "xrandr --output DVI-0 --output VGA-0 --right-of DVI-0" ?
13:15<Zaba>Baphomet_, no, I want you to pastebin the output of 'xrandr' without arguments
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13:16<somiaj>Speed2u: looks like there are multiple config file options. If aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall openssl didn't work, try UCF_FORCE_CONFFMISS=true aptitude reinstall openssl -- though a check makes it appear that openssl does not use ucf configfiles
13:16<Baphomet_>like this ? DVI-0 connected 1920x1080+0+0 , VGA-0 connected 1280x1024+0+0
13:17<Zaba>Baphomet_, the whole thing, as it is, and not here but in a pastebin
13:17<somiaj>Baphomet_: paste the complete output at not just the lines you think Zaba wants.
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13:18<Zaba>Baphomet_, and which video driver are you using?
13:19<Baphomet_>where i can see it ?
13:19<Speed2u>somiaj WARNING: can't open config file: /usr/lib/ssl/openssl.cnf
13:19<Speed2u>that file i have, but its a symlink to the same filename in /etc/ssl, that dosnt exist
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13:20<Zaba>Baphomet_, umm, pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log I guess
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13:20<somiaj>Speed2u: well /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf is a config file that is owned byt he openssl package. that confmiss option I sent you should recreate that file from defaults if you deleted it.
13:21<somiaj>Speed2u: did you actually delete that file? What version of debian are you running are you sure you don't have somethign else going on? check the permissions of the /etc and /etc/ssl directory, and also that file isn't there in any form in that directo4ry?
13:21<Speed2u>tried the second solution you posted above, same result. it says 0 packages to upgrade, install or upgrade
13:22<Zaba>Baphomet_, well, anyway, the problem is that your virtual screen size is too small
13:23<Speed2u>somiaj i think i havent removed anything.. but i might have removed the whole /ssl dir from /etc i dont remember.. but it should come back anyway after reinstalling the whole thing i guess
13:23<Zaba>Baphomet_, as you can see in the first line of xrandr's output, it's 1920x1920
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13:23<Zaba>you can set it in xorg.conf
13:23<Zaba>which is somewhat tricky considering that you normally don't have a xorg.conf nowadays
13:23<Speed2u>drwxr-xr-x = rights of catalogs inside /etc/ssl
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13:24<mczlatan>hello everyone i'm a bit lost here
13:24<somiaj>Speed2u: that is trange, aptitdue reinstall actually reinstalls the packge here.
13:24<Speed2u>will try that.. but it should act the same as apt-get --reinstall install
13:24<centrx>mczlatan, Welcome to IRC
13:25<mczlatan>centrx right... at least we in it
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13:26<centrx>We are in the channel, relay-chatting
13:26<Speed2u>tried to remove openssl throug apt-get, then installed it through aptitude, still missing the file
13:26<Baphomet_>where can i find xorg.conf ?
13:26<dpkg>From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>.
13:26<mczlatan>so, what can i do to get the attention of everyone, something stupid
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13:27<centrx>mczlatan, You could rage quit right now
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13:28<somiaj>Speed2u: unless you use confmiss it won't recreate the config file.
13:29<mczlatan>rage rage i'm hitting quit
13:29<somiaj>so even when you reinstall it, you need to specifiy confmiss
13:29<somiaj>mczlatan: you calm down and ask your question. I ahve not seen an actual question from you.
13:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:30<Baphomet_>i don"t have xorg.conf in /etc/X11
13:31<Zaba>Baphomet_, yeah, but to set the virtual screen size you'll have to make a (rudimentary) one
13:31<Baphomet_>i need to create one ?
13:32<somiaj>Baphomet_: only if you want to change the defaults yoru xorg boots from, they are not required now. Many desktops will just use their settings tool to set xrandr correctly if you go that route.
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13:32<Zaba>somiaj, this isn't something you can set with xrandr
13:33<somiaj>Zaba: ahh I missed what needs to be set. thanks for letting me know (:
13:33<mczlatan>somiaj i dont readily have a question, i just wanna help in solving someone else's own till i get mine
13:34<mrl3lack>I need some help. I just installed Debian wheezy, using an LVM encrypyed partion. Everything seemed to work fine but when I go into the files gui my hardrive is named 320 GB Unrecognizable, and when I try to click on it I get the error message "Unable to mount 320GB Unrecognizable. One or more block devices are holding /dev/dm-0"Does anyone have any idea what to do?
13:34<somiaj>mczlatan: feel free to respond to someones question if you think you can help. As long as you don't add extra noise I'm sure people would be greatful for the help.
13:34<Baphomet_>hmm , i'm pretty lost now , what i'm supposed to do create xorg.conf or set xrandr correctly ?
13:34<Zaba>I -guess- you'd need an xorg.conf that'd look something like
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13:34<Zaba>but I might be completely off since I have nowhere I could possibly test such a setup myself
13:35<Zaba>I'd expect xorg to autoconfigure the details
13:35<Baphomet_>ok , i juste need to create xorg.conf with touch xorg.conf ? and edit it with vi(copy paste your link) ?
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13:38<somiaj>Baphomet_: you can skip the touch part, but yes (:
13:38<Baphomet_>what i'm supposed to do after this ?
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13:39<Zaba>restart X
13:39<mtn>mrl3lack: is this 320gb your root partition or ....?
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13:39<Speed2u>somiaj seems that the only option i have is to reinstall debian after all. have tested everything you've been tipsing about and even hanging around on google and several forums, my problem seems to be unsolved
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13:41<Baphomet_>restart X ? , shutdown my computer ?
13:41<mrl3lack>no...well actually i guess i'm not totally sure....i can't turn the computer on right now because it's dead and i only have one cord (which i'm using on this comp)...maybe i'll just have to charge it and come back later
13:42<mtn>mrl3lack: well how did you partition? where was debian installed. you should remember that ;)
13:42<Zaba>Baphomet_, a reboot would do it, yes (though it would technically be excessive)
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13:42<Baphomet_>what command i need to use ? i don't know restart X ^^
13:43<mrl3lack>i partitioned it as one encrypted drive. I have the output of lsblk and lvmscandisk, if that would help
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13:44<mtn>mrl3lack: if it is only one partition, then that partition is already mounted and can not be mounted in the file manager.
13:45<Speed2u>somiaj What do you think about installing debian in a virtual machine, copy the file that is missing in my real box over to my windows machine, and then upload the file using FTP over to the server?
13:45<mrl3lack>is there anyway to access my harddrive? maybe i should just reinstall debian?
13:46<mtn>mrl3lack: when you are in your file manager, can you access the directories listed there? you know, like /home or /etc?
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13:48<mrl3lack>yeah i think so....does that mean i still have access to the 320GB? Pretty new to linux in general
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13:48<mtn>mrl3lack: yes, that means your entire partition is mounted, being used and available to you for whatever purpose you wish to use it for.
13:48<mtn>mrl3lack: in other words: all is well and as it should be :)
13:49<mrl3lack>haha okay...thanks much...feel kinda silly for asking that now :)
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13:50<mrl3lack>have a good one, i'm gonna go try that out. thanks again
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13:51<somiaj>Speed2u: I would just use a chroot with debootstrap for that
13:52<Speed2u>now i'm totally lost.. remember that i'm kind of a newbie with linux
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13:55<Baphomet>i'm back
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13:56<mrsxypants>indeed, tis I
13:57<mczlatan>everyone we have a big fan of arch around(umar), we might wanna feed on him as dinner
13:57<mrsxypants>i <3 Arch :D
13:58<Baphomet>zaba are you here ?
13:58<Zaba>Baphomet, yes
13:58<mczlatan>let's be straight, why exactly do you hate deb?
13:58<Baphomet>i restart my computer , what i need to do now ?
13:58<Zaba>Baphomet, check output of 'xrandr'
13:59<Zaba>Baphomet, to see what the 'maximum' on the first line is
13:59<Baphomet>Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 3600 x 3600
14:00<Baphomet>that's good
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14:00<Zaba>Baphomet, okay, so now try the left-of/right-of/whatever xrandr commands again
14:00<mrsxypants>mczlatan: I don't HATE deb I just LOVE Arch
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14:01<mtn>mrsxypants: did you have a debian support question?
14:01<mrsxypants>mtn: no?
14:01<mtn>mrsxypants: this is not a non-support general chat channel. there are lots of those elsewhere
14:01<mczlatan>mrsxypants oyu are about to get kicked
14:02<avtobiff>mczlatan, why are you asking provoking questions like those above?
14:02<Baphomet>It's work !!!!
14:02<Zaba>Baphomet, good
14:03<Baphomet>Thanks you guy , especially to Zaba :)
14:04<mrsxypants>avtobiff: ty, lol
14:04<mczlatan>avtobiff i dont know. i got here to checkout questions and solutions to help myself in the future and i'm not really seeing such
14:04<mczlatan>mrsxypants :P
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14:05<avtobiff>mczlatan, ok fine. how is starting a flame war between arch and debian helping that goal of yours?
14:06<mczlatan>avtobiff: fun
14:06<Baphomet>I have one more questions ^^ , sometimes i play a video game who use flash player in iceweasel , but my game twinkle often , do you know why ?,i think this is my flash player config or my ati driver ?
14:06<avtobiff>mczlatan, please take your fun to #debian-offtopic
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14:06<avtobiff>i enjoy fun myself, but this is not the place for such fun.
14:07<mczlatan>avtobiff: tech fun
14:07<trico>fun not allowed. be sure to take your interval
14:08<avtobiff>mczlatan, perhaps i did not make myself clear? don't start flame wars here. keep things on topic please. you are allowed to have fun. now stop it.
14:08<mczlatan>avtobiff:yes Sir
14:09<mczlatan>Baphomet: is it updated?
14:10<avtobiff>mczlatan, thanks. and you don't in any way need to salute me.
14:10<Baphomet>I have flaash player 11
14:10<Speed2u>BIG thanks to avtobiff for the help. Seems to work now
14:11<avtobiff>Speed2u, np
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14:11<Baphomet>I have last flash player update but i never download driver for my ATI
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14:12<avtobiff>Baphomet, maybe can help you?
14:12<mczlatan>rage rage i'm hitting the quit icon. avtobiff should know pretty much to help you Baphomet.
14:12<avtobiff>Baphomet, or perhaps
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14:13<mczlatan>mrsxypants i'm hungry. Going to the store
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14:17<dhtseany>Hi all, where can I got to get help with a compromised Debian instance where I think Asterisk was the entry point for the exploit?
14:19<avtobiff>dhtseany, what help do you need? do you want to talk to the security team about a possible security issue with asterisk? or are you more interested in forensics now? anyway: disconnect and reinstall, no sane way back from a breached machine.
14:20<Brigo>dhtseany, may be here:
14:20<dhtseany>Hey, thanks, let me check out your link
14:20<Brigo>dhtseany, and do not restore from backups :)
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14:21<somiaj>dhtseany: yea basically you cannot trust anything that the attacker had access to since the compermise. So reinstall from trusted sources/backups is the only sane option.
14:22<dhtseany>The thing is that I'm supspecting my VPS provider as one of the possible entry points
14:22<dhtseany>I'd actually locked myself out of the system thanks to a misplaced set of SSH keys
14:22<dhtseany>The tech that helped me didn't even need root or user passwords
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14:23<dhtseany>Like, he simply "walked" into my system from his end, changed my SSH settings per my request, and I was back in
14:23<dhtseany>So, I'm wondering how this exploit keeps happening
14:23<dhtseany>Hold on a sec, I'm trying the same thing twice, let me copy/paste
14:23<somiaj>dhtseany: if it is a vm the tech has access to teh actual filesystems on the host system. Most likely he just mounted the filesystem.
14:24<dhtseany>so I have a VPS with a company named Interserver where I'm running a VM of Debian, which in turn acts as my VOIP phone system
14:24<dhtseany>The system keeps getting compromised
14:24<dhtseany> And each time I've redone the installation, and each time I've gotten my secuity friends involved with helping me lock down the system
14:24<dhtseany>dhtseany: This time, I'm at a loss
14:24<dhtseany>dhtseany: The thing lasted about 8+ months without incident
14:24<dhtseany>dhtseany: but I looked at my caller ID records, and it shows that I'm making a ton of fake calls again
14:24<dhtseany>dhtseany: My friends helped me get fail2ban, shorewall, locked down SSH, locked down listen ports
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14:25<dhtseany>Sorry, appearently copying and pasting is frowned upon in this room...
14:25<somiaj>dhtseany: use
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14:26<avtobiff>dhtseany, indeed it is. pastebinit
14:26<dhtseany>God nevermind that totally just killed my thought train
14:26<somiaj>dhtseany: well as was mentioned if you are restoring from backups, it could be the attacker has left a backdoor, or if you are using backuped configs maybe he has left a backdoor in there.
14:26<avtobiff>dhtseany, what if you create a server with nothing on it? does that get owned also?
14:26<dhtseany>I haven;'t tried that
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14:27<mrsxypants>dhtseany: I sent you a msg
14:27<somiaj>dhtseany: did you regenrate all private ssh keys after the break?
14:27<dhtseany>nothing outside of config files were reused
14:27<dhtseany>And even then, I changed line/extension passwords for security
14:27<somiaj>dhtseany: it is a debian 7.0 system, are you fully update to date on security updates?
14:27<dhtseany>let me check
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14:28<dhtseany>uname -a: Linux ast3 2.6.32-042stab088.4 #1 SMP Thu Apr 3 17:41:05 MSK 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux
14:28<dhtseany>Does that help?
14:28<somiaj>if you have a known hole because of missing updates that could maek it easy to keep recompermising. But at this stage I sugest using a fresh system with out anything from your old. Configure from scratch.
14:29<somiaj>dhtseany: nope, is this vm running squeeze? Wonder if that kernel comes from a centOS host
14:29<avtobiff>probably runs openvz or so
14:29<avtobiff>and shares the kernel with the host
14:29<dhtseany>it's openvz
14:29<dhtseany>I know that much atm :)
14:30<dhtseany>Trying to figure out my version now
14:30<dhtseany>My gut say's it v6
14:30<dhtseany>But I haven't confirmed that yet
14:30<Catwiesel81>hello debian :) i have a problem with a program/daemon on 7.6 (no gui) and seem not to be able to run it as unprivileged daemon autostart on boot. i have tried many google-fu but seem to be lacking enough linux knowledge
14:30<Catwiesel81>anyone care to listen and try to help
14:30<somiaj>squeeze has been at the eol for a while, if you have i386 or amd64 there is additional squeeze-lts support to keep things secure. Could be you just have a knwon hole that you need the lts updates to close.
14:30<dhtseany>btw I'm on v7
14:31<somiaj>Catwiesel81: more info would help, usually the init.d script (run as root) will then launch/run the daemon as the desired user
14:32<Catwiesel81>could be rules say its strict debian only here and my problem is probably with the program and own stupidity than debian ;)
14:32<ompaul>dhtseany: funny that kernel Linux ast3 2.6.32-042stab088.4 #1 SMP Thu Apr 3 17:41:05 MSK 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux is very much centosbased
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14:32<somiaj>dhtseany: well I woudln't trust any backup or data you have. Get a fresh wheezy install and make sure you keep uptodate on your updates. Are you getting yoru voip software from additional sources?
14:32<somiaj>well the host shouldn't matter for a vps (provided it is secure)
14:32<avtobiff>Catwiesel81, what daemon is it?
14:33<Catwiesel81>alright, it is __ ejabberd __, i do not have to luxurary to install from packages so i download the current version and +x the .run and run it, it installs
14:33<somiaj>Catwiesel81: we support people using debian (and not it's derivatives or things based on debian). So if your a user of the debian system we'll try to help your issue. (:
14:33<somiaj>Catwiesel81: that is fine provided the .run installs it in $HOME, /usr/local, /opt, (i.e. outside of where debian puts stuff90
14:34<somiaj>Catwiesel81: were you provided an init.d script with the upstream version? i.e. the script in /etc/init.d/ejabberd (or whate ever they call it)
14:34<Catwiesel81>it installs into /opt/ejabberd - there in ./bin is the ejabberd,init that i copy to init.d
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14:34<weasel>don't do that!
14:34<weasel>init scripts are not daemon binaries.
14:35<somiaj>Catwiesel81: and what you want is to make it run as an unprivalged user not root at start?
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14:35<somiaj>Catwiesel81: you will have to modify the init.d script to do that, and when you launch the binary, use su to launch it as the desired user.
14:35<weasel>(or start-stop-daemon)
14:36<weasel>anyway, the debian package would presumably do these things correctly.
14:36<Catwiesel81>so much attention ill try to keep up
14:36<Catwiesel81>debian package wont be good enough
14:36<Catwiesel81>okay, first, their documentation which i tried to follow explicetly states to copy the .init script to the init.d dir
14:36<weasel>says the person with no unix clue.
14:36<somiaj>anyways, everything you did is fine (just you are now in control of configuring it) which as we said means you may have to modify the init.d script to launch it as the correct user (or even adduser the user that it wants to launch it as)
14:37<Catwiesel81>and it LOOKS like it should work
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14:37<Catwiesel81>the script checks if the user exists and the files exists then run su $user to start the program
14:38<Catwiesel81>i tried modifying the init script with the # header with the start runlevel and stop runlevel etc info
14:38<somiaj>well then how about provide us info which what isn't working. Everything sounds good so far.
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14:38<Catwiesel81>so i could use update-rc.d
14:38<somiaj>yea LSB headers are nice (:
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14:38<Catwiesel81>i run service ejabberd start
14:38<Catwiesel81>it says "starting"
14:38<Catwiesel81>but nothing happens
14:39<Catwiesel81>no log, no nothing, no start
14:39<Catwiesel81>i tried to create the user as normal user and as system user
14:39<Catwiesel81>with or without a group
14:39<Catwiesel81>i even gave the user a shell and tried to start the program with the user logged in
14:39<Catwiesel81>then i get "needs to run as root"
14:40<Catwiesel81>i gave the whole program directory (with conf files and log files) 777
14:40<Catwiesel81>just to see
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14:40<somiaj>Catwiesel81: what happens if you run this command, '/etc/init.d/ejabberd start' -- I assume the same thing, sounds like you should look in the actual script under the start option and test the commands, see if you can figure out which one fails when running it with out the script. Also dont press enter so much, it isn't needed.
14:40<douglass>so, I've really screwed this one up but I'm hoping someone here can help me out
14:41<douglass>apt-get autoremove has rendered my other computer unable to connect to a network or read a usb stick
14:41<douglass>is it feasible to reinstall debian with an install disk and note nuke my homedir?
14:41<weasel>doubt that apt-get managed to do the latter.
14:41<douglass>hard drive is encrypted
14:41<Catwiesel81>somiaj it is still in a testing vm, i could let you (or someone else trying to help) ssh into it
14:41<douglass>so, I was doing a dumb thing with apt pinning
14:41<douglass>and I saw a loooot of important things scroll by in the autoremove
14:41<douglass>including network manager
14:41<somiaj>Catwiesel81: I woduln't suggest that, you can paste things if you want. Paste the ejabbered init.d script
14:42<weasel>douglass: wired connection?
14:42<douglass>that's what I was trying
14:42<Catwiesel81>ok give me 2-3 mins to get some pastes going
14:42<douglass>but it does not seem to connect
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14:42<weasel>douglass: how have you tried?
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14:43<douglass>so, I don't know what I'm doing and all I tried was plugging it in and observing that ping yields unknown host
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14:43<weasel>douglass: is the host up right now?
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14:43<douglass>so, what does that mean and how do i determine this?
14:44<weasel>is that debian system booted up and are you logged in?
14:44<weasel>if you run "/sbin/ifconfig", how many blocks of output do you see,
14:45<weasel>and what is the word each one starts with?
14:45<weasel>just "lo"?
14:45<weasel>run ifconfig -a.
14:45<Catwiesel81>the unmoddified ejabberd(.init) file:
14:45<weasel>there should be more blocks now. what do those start with?
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14:45<douglass>eth0 and lo
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14:46<weasel>douglass: run, as root, "dhclient -d eth0"
14:46<weasel>douglass: then try, in a different shell, if you ping to google or whatever works
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14:47<douglass>oh my god thank you
14:47<weasel>douglass: this is only a temporary fix.
14:48<weasel>douglass: is this a desktop computer, or a laptop? does its network ever change?
14:48<douglass> this is a laptop, but a work laptop. it will always be using wired
14:48<douglass>in the same place
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14:48<weasel>ok, for a laptop, installing network-manager is probably the smart thing to do.
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14:48<weasel>else, you could just add a block to /etc/network/interfaces
14:48<douglass>now that I have a way to install things I think I can deal
14:48<weasel>that makes it always do dhcp on eth0.
14:49<weasel>so, for a laptop, just install network-manager
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14:49<douglass>I am getting "Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages"
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14:49<douglass>I think what I really want to do is just upgrade everything to testing?
14:49<weasel>unhold them?
14:49<weasel>or you could do that.
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14:50<douglass> I think I do not want to deal with using different distros at once and I do need some things from testing
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14:51<weasel>good luck.
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14:51<douglass>and failing at that started this whole mess
14:51<douglass>thank you!
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14:53<Catwiesel81>i think i broke it too bad when i tried to make it auto run now it wont start as root either
14:54<Catwiesel81>let me go back a snapshot or two
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14:58<Catwiesel81>sorry guys, there seems to be more wrong here which might explain why i couldnt get it to autostart
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14:59<Catwiesel81>i will have to do a clean install and work from there, shouldnt take long
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15:01<daviid>hello. I updated a testing debian on a computer that has not been updated in a while and that was using efi... I installed grub-pc and did run update-grub, to verify, everything was ok but at reboot it failed and landed in grub-rescue, where i did try what i found here, did find that in my case (hd0,gpt2)/ is the root ... /boot has a directory still [i thought it be removed]. i did 'set
15:01<daviid>root=(hd0,gpt2)' 'set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub' 'insmod normal' -> file not found
15:02<Speed2u>what is the diffrience of using a crt file or pem file for ssl certificate in apache? for some reason i still getting errors permission denied when trying to make a self signed cert with pem extention but not crt. can i use both?
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15:04<daviid>right now I am not in front of the computer [it is at another premisses and needs some one to enter these commands for me ...] sut i wanted to have some hints if possible... like would the install CD -> rescue mode -> reintalling the boot record will wotk? [I am asking because what cause the problem is apparently a change of booting mode between grub-efi and grub-pc [which i did because aptitude suggested it...]
15:04<Catwiesel81>Speed2u: pem is a container for certs, it can has more than one cert file
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15:05<Catwiesel81>often it has a whole chain with keys and certs
15:05<daviid>of should i do root=(hd0,gpt2)' 'set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/efi' 'insmod normal' ?
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15:06<Speed2u>ok. because the perfered way to make selfsigned certs seems to be creating a .key file and a .pem file.. but i cant make a .pem file without getting permission denied. i have putted my user in ssl-certs group and running everything as sudo so i don't really understand why.. but if i replace .pem to crt everything works smoothly
15:07<Catwiesel81>if you make a self signed cert you can also create key and crt
15:07<Catwiesel81>no need to use pem with apache
15:07<Catwiesel81>sorry yeah you said it works diddnt read to the end
15:08<Speed2u>ok thank you. i will worry about why i cant make pem later, now i only want this thing to work :)
15:08<Speed2u>i mean it works to make the cert, without "permission denied". havent tested to use it yet
15:09<Catwiesel81>you get an error when MAKING the pem file?
15:09<Speed2u>thx for answering, got to go back in 2 hours
15:09<Speed2u>yes, making the file gives me permission denied
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15:09<Speed2u>openssl req -new -x509 -days 365 -nodes -out /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem -keyout /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.key = error.. but if i replace the .pem to .crt, it works
15:10<Speed2u>please query me if you have any answer, really have to go now. bye for now
15:10<Catwiesel81>okay, if i can think of something ill query you
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15:20<Catwiesel81>okay, i dont know WHY it worked the first time
15:20<Catwiesel81>but the real problem with ejabberd is this
15:20<Catwiesel81>it needs root to run
15:21<Catwiesel81>as far as i know, you do not use root to run your demons on a server... so how do i start a daemon as root but not let it have more rights than it needs
15:22<Catwiesel81>if i try to use init.d/ejabberd start now nothing happens if the user ejabberd has /bin/false as shell
15:22<Catwiesel81>if i give the user a shell i get needs root to run
15:22<Catwiesel81>i can start it directly as root
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15:25<avtobiff>Catwiesel81, programs can drop privileges after they have acquired what they need with escalated privileges.
15:25<Catwiesel81>well if the programs manage that and not me then i have to trust the program and proceed with root
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15:26<Catwiesel81>that still leaves me with a broken documentation and init script
15:26<avtobiff>i am unsure if erlang programs do that though
15:26<Catwiesel81>"On a *nix system, if you want ejabberd to be started as daemon at boot time, copy ejabberd.init from the ’bin’ directory to something like /etc/init.d/ejabberd (depending on your distribution). Create a system user called ejabberd, give it write access to the directories database/ and logs/, and set that as home; the script will start the server with that user. Then you can call
15:26<Catwiesel81>/etc/inid.d/ejabberd start as root to start the server."
15:26<avtobiff>Catwiesel81, i have not seen the entire discussen. but can't you create a system user for ... yes that
15:26<avtobiff>didn't that work for you?
15:27<Catwiesel81>i can try again, you help with the system user?
15:27<Catwiesel81>i do adduser --system ejabberd
15:27<avtobiff>that should do it
15:27<avtobiff>i think
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15:27<Catwiesel81>ill try again, snapshots are a godsend ;)
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15:28<avtobiff>Catwiesel81, did you set permissions on the above mentioned directories?
15:28<weasel>the debian package runs ejabberd as ejabberd.
15:29<Catwiesel81>i know, unfortunately i need to run a module which queries ldap that only works right in the newer versions (14.x), package (2.x) wont do
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15:29<weasel>so try backporting the package.
15:30<weasel>the one in testing is current.
15:30<Catwiesel81>i tried to look into that and messing with priorities and sources... i THOUGHT it easier to just wget and install the program directly
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15:30<weasel>how did that work out for you?
15:30<Catwiesel81>how do i get the testing one?
15:30<weasel>go to, download the source, try building the deb on stable.
15:31<Catwiesel81>i am at the point where i contemplate going ubuntu! does that answer your question ;)
15:31<weasel>then do it.
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15:31<Catwiesel81>no just kidding.
15:31<weasel>no, by all means
15:31<weasel>please go
15:31<Catwiesel81>are you asking me to leave?
15:31<weasel>(they have 2.1.11 everywhere. good luck.)
15:32<avtobiff>please focus on the issue at hand
15:33<Catwiesel81>ok, one last try fresh install 7.6 x86, getting the x86 install package with wget... +x and running
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15:35<Catwiesel81>starting to run ./bin/start
15:36<Catwiesel81>works without any special users or setting permissions
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15:37<Catwiesel81>cp the init file to init.d as the doc says
15:37<weasel>if it works just by running ./bin/start,
15:38<weasel>why not add that to an @reboot cronjob and call it a day?
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15:40<Catwiesel81>i still feel that it should run as unprivileged user for security reasons? why do postfix, apache, amavis ... have system users and use init.d when it works other ways?
15:42<avtobiff>Catwiesel81, did you run it as root?
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15:42<Catwiesel81>yes, i am root. i also ran the init script trying to restart, it throws error the user ejabberd doesnt exist
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15:43<Catwiesel81>so i create one. adduser --system ejabberd
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15:43<daviid>is there a more apropriate chanel where i can ask for help about my grub/MBR problems?
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15:43<weasel>(this getting highlighted all the time is getting tiring though. I wished we could block all *wiesel* nicks)
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15:43<KodiakX>I installed the image with defaults and decided I don't want Gnome3. I tried the instructions @ but when I try to uninstall gnome it doesnt find any of the packages. What do?
15:43<mtn>daviid: this is a good channel, as long as you are running debian
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15:44<furryanimal>your welcome
15:44<daviid>mtn: ok tx
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15:45<avtobiff>Catwiesel81, the init script have a USER variable defined, that should correspond to what you created. (default is probably ejabberd)
15:45<furryanimal>yes, the script is looking for ejabberd and i created that user now
15:45<furryanimal>and i just did chown -R ejabberd:root ejabberd-14.07
15:46<furryanimal>which is bad too but now the user can do whatever it wants with those files
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15:47<KodiakX>Do I need to stop the gnome process first?
15:47<furryanimal>still no dice...
15:48<furryanimal>is there a special way to give a system user root privileges to start a daemon? put him in a special group or something
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15:48<furryanimal>it looks like the way the init script works is broken with debian
15:48<furryanimal>or i am not doing it right
15:48<mtn>daviid: did you ever ask your question
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15:49<daviid>mnt i did, i wrote quite a lot, didin't you see it, above?
15:50<avtobiff>furryanimal, yeah. i would not run ejabberd so it can modify its own source.
15:50<mtn>daviid: nope, been here over 20 minutes and don't see it up above. you ask again.
15:51<mtn>daviid: you should ask again, is what I mean :)
15:51<avtobiff>furryanimal, anyway. you should chmod databases/ and what the other dirs were as you mentioned from the ejabberd docs.
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15:52<furryanimal>it doesnt change anything... the init script just calls su - $USER -c "$CTL start"
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15:53<KodiakX>Can anyone give me some insight on my question? ^^
15:53<furryanimal> which translates to su - ejabberd -c /opt/bin/ejabberd-14.07/bin/ejabberdctl start
15:53<daviid>mtn: ok, wiil ask again in a short, have to go afk for a little [have to jump to another task]
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15:53<furryanimal>and it doesnt work because apparently it needs root to run
15:53<daviid>but what i wrote surely is in a log...
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15:53<daviid>started to write at 15:59 local time [brasil]
15:53<mtn>KodiakX: it depends on how gnome was installed. why do you wan to remove it?
15:53<daviid>bbl, tx
15:54<KodiakX>Prefer Xfce. It was installed however the defaults are set on the 7.6 iso
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15:54<avtobiff>furryanimal, did you change permissions for the required directories?
15:55<mtn>KodiakX: you can have both installed. it shouldn't cause any problems
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15:55<furryanimal>user ejabberd has full 7
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15:55<furryanimal>could it be something with suid bits?
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15:56<avtobiff>furryanimal, can you please paste the long listing (ls -l) of the directories in question
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15:57<avtobiff>total 0
15:57<KodiakX>mtn: so should I just carry on with the XFCE install instructions?
15:57<mtn>KodiakX: no reason not to that I know of
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15:59<furryanimal>su - ejabberd -c "/opt/ejabberd-14.07/bin/ejabberdctl start"
15:59<furryanimal>This command can only be run by root or the user root
16:01<furryanimal>thats the reason the init script doesnt work, i know that much
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16:01<furryanimal>now i can play around give ejabberd different home dirs, different shells
16:01<avtobiff>but do you need to start it with ejabberdctl?
16:01<furryanimal>wont change anything
16:02<avtobiff>wy don't you just kick of the daemon?
16:02<avtobiff>or install it properly?
16:02<avtobiff>if you make install and create a ejabberd user and run ejabberdctl as root no problems
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16:02<avtobiff>given chmoding databases and logs
16:03<furryanimal>you lost me there
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16:03<furryanimal>do you mean get the source and compile it?
16:03<furryanimal>why whould that change anything?
16:03<electro>im having a hard time getting fglrx drivers to work on testing
16:03<avtobiff>furryanimal, because then ejabberdctl will work properly
16:04<avtobiff>furryanimal, are you running ejabberdctl.template now?
16:04<furryanimal>i dont see any template stuff?!
16:04<KodiakX>mtn: How do I change the display manager to start xfce? the install guide doesnt seem to explain how to start it
16:04<avtobiff>furryanimal, ok you downloaded the tarball
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16:05<furryanimal>no, i downloaded the installer (.run binary)
16:05<avtobiff>oh, ok
16:05<furryanimal>looking at the install.log
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16:05<mtn>KodiakX: you can choose whichever desktop you wish to start in the login window
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16:07<supaman>electro: please go to #debian-next for jessie/testing support
16:07<furryanimal>the installer is just unpacking files (in the right dirs), creating two links (pasting...) and running ejabberd to set up admin user and closing it again
16:07<furryanimal>Creating link /opt/ejabberd-14.07/lib/kernel
16:07<furryanimal>Creating link /opt/ejabberd-14.07/lib/stdlib
16:08<avtobiff>i have never used the run file. only source and packages for ejabberd.
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16:09<avtobiff>furryanimal, does it create databases and logs directories?
16:09<avtobiff>and does it have the right permissions?
16:09<furryanimal>i think it does:
16:11<avtobiff>what is the output when you run ejabberdctl?
16:12<furryanimal>as root or as ejabberd?
16:12<avtobiff>paste it plesae
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16:13<furryanimal>no output but it works, i am tailing the logfile in 2nd ssh
16:13<avtobiff>so what's the problem?
16:14<avtobiff>ejabberdctl should be able to run either as root or ejabberd
16:14<furryanimal>as ejabberd it does not
16:14<avtobiff>at least that is what the source code says
16:14<furryanimal>su - ejabberd -c "/opt/ejabberd-14.07/bin/ejabberdctl"
16:14<furryanimal>This command can only be run by root or the user root
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16:15<furryanimal>so i should just let it run as root
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16:15<avtobiff>furryanimal, what comes out if you grep ^INSTALLUSER path/to/ejabberdctl
16:15<avtobiff>furryanimal, so your installuser is root
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16:15<furryanimal>grep what?
16:15<avtobiff>you can change it in ejabberdctl but there might be implications
16:15<avtobiff>furryanimal, execute this: grep ^INSTALLUSER correct/path/to/ejabberdctl
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16:16<avtobiff>it should say INSTALLUSER=root
16:16<douglass>so, I successfully dist-upgraded to testing, I think, but when I tried to install gnome I got "Errors were encountered while processing: minissdpd"
16:16<avtobiff>instead of this ejabberd system user we have been talking about, you have used "root" for that user
16:16<douglass>E: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
16:16<avtobiff>i have no idea how that happened or how to fix it.
16:17<avtobiff>furryanimal, so you can only run it as root. not root and something else.
16:17<furryanimal>i see
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16:18<avtobiff>furryanimal, you need to consult the documentation for further details. or better, ask in ejabberd chat room (check or on their mailing list.
16:18<avtobiff>anyway, got to go now. bye.
16:19<furryanimal>avtobiff thank you very much
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16:22<retrospectacus>douglass: go to #debian-next for jessie support
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17:14<daviid>I updated a testing debian on a computer that has not been updated in a while and that computer was [still?] using efi... as recommended during the oinstallation, I then installed grub-pc and also did run update-grub manually after the updates that all went well, to verify that update-grub did work and that I did not miss any error mesg during the aptitude updates..., everything fine, but at reboot it failed and landed in grub-rescue
17:14<daviid>then I tried the commands I found here I did find that in my case (hd0,gpt2)/ is the root ... noticed /boot has an efi directory still [i thought it be removed]. I did: 'set root=(hd0,gpt2)', then 'set prefix=(hd0,gpt2)/boot/grub', then 'insmod normal' -> file not found
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17:15<daviid>so now i started the install CD in advanced - rescue mode
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17:15<daviid>got a shell on /dev/sda2 and tried: grub-install /dev/sda but goe the error that say
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17:16<daviid>grub-bios-setup: warning this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot partition
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17:18<daviid>i wonder what I could do? i was hoping a CD rescue - reinstall a master boot record option instead
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17:18<daviid>this is on a raid 10 by the way [but it worked fine till now]
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17:20<helloill>network manager says no connection, ifconfig returns only lo with no eth0.
17:21<daviid>is it possible to ask to reinstall the MBR from the shell I am in ?
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17:21<helloill>I honestly dont know what I did. damn.
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17:22<daviid>is jessie testing?
17:22<daviid>or unstable
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17:23<helloill>daviid:what no 14.04 ubuntu.
17:23<daviid>jessie is not ubuntu
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17:30<retrospectacus>!ubuntuirc helloill
17:30<dpkg>helloill: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
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17:38<valvalion>there is a way to use windows USB driver in debian
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17:39<daviid>I'm on debian-next as well now, but no answer yet. I am in the rescue shell on /dev/sda2, can I reinstall an MBR from the command line? or can I run aptitude delete grub-pc, make sure grub-efi is (re)installed and grup-update; reboot ?
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17:40<valvalion>I have a Asus ROG G75VW, USB3 is shit (dismount randomly HDD plugged in USB) this is a well known issue, in the Windows world a proper driver exists
17:40<centrx>daviid, you can just run grub-update or grub-install or whatever it is
17:40<centrx>daviid, though you should make sure you have the grub package you want installed
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17:41<daviid>grub-install did not work, with the msg: this GTPpartition has no BIOS Boot partition ... it won't work
17:41<towo`>valvalion, linux can't do anything with win drivers
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17:42<centrx>daviid, Okay, so the idea is install grub-efi and try again?
17:42<daviid>grub-bios-setup : warning: this GPT ... Embegginf is not spossible ...
17:42<daviid>can I run aptitude in this rescue shell mode?
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17:43<centrx>yes presumably
17:43<daviid>ok, let me try.tx
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17:43<daviid>hope the grub-efi is cached, no network of course
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17:44<valvalion>towo`, yep ... that was my guess, windows driver apart, so sad that linux can't do anything with my computer ...
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17:46<centrx>valvalion, Your computer is made out of Windows USB drivers?
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17:47<valvalion>USB isn't harddrived by the MB (sorry for maybe bad vocabulary)
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17:48<centrx>valvalion, regular USB devices work seamlessly for me, mouse, keyboard, external HD
17:49<centrx>valvalion, USB is for external connections to your computer
17:49<valvalion>all I know is before debian update a few weeks ago HDD UBS3 works well, and now not, I try to find a solution
17:49<furryanimal>maybe he means an external hdd drive connected to usb3
17:49<centrx>valvalion, are you running testing/unstable?
17:49<valvalion>other USB devices (key board, mouse DAC works well)
17:50<valvalion>wheezy = stable ?
17:50<valvalion>yes stable
17:51<valvalion>I cross checked with other HDD x other computers and so on
17:51<furryanimal>valvalion, i am not saying debian/linux is without fail but external hdds drives do fail... a LOT - if your other usb devices are not affected, i dont think usb driver is broken. and if it is only a usb issue, then your mainboard/chipset is almost not at fault as well
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17:52<valvalion>furryanimal, yes, that's why I crosschecked several HDD vs diferent computers
17:52<furryanimal>its probably a intel chipset (75 chipset?) so intel usb3 drivers would apply which would mean a lot of people would have trouble if debian somehow broke intel usb3 support
17:53<furryanimal>and how does your proplem manifest itself?
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17:55<valvalion>external HDD (only HDD) randomly dismount when plugged, I've also tested with HDD + power supply (tought that was maybe not enough currant that cause fail, but no)
17:55<furryanimal>did you try switching your usb ports around?
17:56<valvalion>even the internal 2 HDD slot, wich is basically also USB3, and no native SATA
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17:57<furryanimal>internal 2hh slot wich is basically also usb no native sata?!
17:57<furryanimal>either i dont understand or you did something really wrong ;)
17:58<valvalion>yes ... I think that is cheaper that way
18:00<furryanimal>i still dont understand...
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18:00<furryanimal>you have an external hdd and tried to use an internal hdd slot which is also usb and not sata?
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18:01<centrx>plugging a USB HD into a motherboard HD slot might be a problem
18:02<furryanimal>yeah but i am not sure he did that
18:03<valvalion>I have confused everyone with the internal stuff, sorry, let get over it
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18:03<valvalion>any way, I keep investigating
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18:04<furryanimal>if your hdd works perfectly on other computers and your computer is having trouble with the hdd (and others) but not with keyboard/mouse
18:05<furryanimal>could be the hdd is drawing too much power from usb port (or your psu is not supplying enough but i doubt that)
18:05<furryanimal>a lot of hdds overpower usb, especially those without external power
18:06<furryanimal>that does not always end well
18:06<valvalion>I qlso tried with big HDD wich have is own PSU, same problem
18:06<valvalion>yep, I m a little bit lost
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18:07<furryanimal>do you know why the hdd is dismounting?
18:07<furryanimal>i mean
18:07<furryanimal>is the filesystem dismounted but the device stays
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18:07<furryanimal>or does your pc think you pulled the plug?
18:08<valvalion>hmm I don't know
18:08<furryanimal>i still doubt usb3 driver is "crashing" or being unloaded bc you would lose the other usb devices as well
18:08<valvalion>ok I see
18:08<furryanimal>(unless you have them on usb2)
18:09<furryanimal>they are technically seperate, although i dont know if linux seperates them as well or if they have the same driver
18:09<valvalion>I know that is dismounting because I dont see it in Gparted (correct ?)
18:09<valvalion>no USB2 on my laptop
18:09<furryanimal>more or less
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18:10<valvalion>have I to try with lsusb maybe ?
18:10<furryanimal>yeah cant hurt
18:10<furryanimal>it will tell you about the "hubs"
18:10<furryanimal>you should be able to see if they appear and disappear
18:11<furryanimal>im afraid i cant do much more
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18:11<valvalion>ok, i will try that
18:11<daviid>reinstalled grub-efi, update-grub. it lists all kernels, but always fails in gurb-rescue mode after reboot
18:11<valvalion>thank you anyway
18:11<furryanimal>on the one hand it sounds like its breaking, on the other it sounds like some part is crashing and restarting
18:11<valvalion>I have also updated the bios ...
18:11<daviid>it seams update-grub does not install the MBR and the rescue CD does not offer that option,
18:12<daviid>it let me run a script on /dev/sda2
18:12<valvalion>but now I have to sleep, I wake up in 4 hours ...
18:12<valvalion>thanks again
18:13<furryanimal>davii what are you trying to do?
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18:17<centrx>daviid, I believe grub-install is the command to actually install an MBR
18:18<furryanimal>it is
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18:24<daviid>centrx: hum let me try again now that i have reinstalled grub-efi
18:24<daviid>should it be grub-install /dev/sda or /dev/sda2 ?
18:25<Speed2u>evening folks
18:25<centrx>daviid, /dev/sda
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18:26<centrx>daviid, /dev/sda is the drive, /dev/sda2 is a partition on it
18:26<centrx>daviid, ^^
18:26<furryanimal>staying away from that one!
18:26<Speed2u>fit for fight with the server again after some pizza and tobacco :)
18:26<centrx>That would taste horrible
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18:26<Speed2u>taste excellent
18:27<daviid>furryanimal: having installed grub-pc, has recommended by debian updates leaded to these problems, but again i don't know
18:27<daviid>centrx: ok
18:27<daviid>all i want is to boot
18:27<Speed2u>a really tasty meet pizza and a big ettan loose under the lip :)
18:27<centrx>Speed2u, do you roll the tobacco in the pizza, and then smoke the pizza?
18:27<daviid>i feel sad we don't have a boot repair in debian
18:27<Speed2u>maybe thats an option too, something to think about :)
18:28<centrx>It worked on Tau Ceti
18:29<Speed2u>now time to figure out why i get permission denied when trying to make a self signed certificate to use with apache2. Took me all day to fix a missing file in openssl lib :D
18:29<furryanimal>daviid: oh, i am no grub specialist myself and the best i could do myself yet was to repartition the hdd which made me lose the mbr/grub and reinstalling it without losing my installation
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18:29<furryanimal>but efi/secureboot is something i dont touch, its evil
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18:29<daviid>i just don't unerstand, i do what the debia ninstaller told me to do, then updates, it crashes
18:30<daviid>but the disk is there, the data ... i don't understand we do'nbt have a command to install what ever it nedds to boot
18:30*centrx disabled UEFI as evil spawn
18:30<centrx>that is an optoin
18:31<daviid>again i don t know neiterh understands how to do that
18:31<daviid>i just did what aptitude told me to do
18:32<daviid>i'd go for grub2 and that's all
18:32<daviid>anyway, rescue time now
18:32<centrx>daviid, Disabling UEFI would be a BIOS setting, change it to "Legacy" or whatever your BIOS calls it
18:32<daviid>i thought grub2 grub-pc can _not_ handle raid 10 ssd ?
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18:33<furryanimal>you might need to disable secureboot first to get a "legacy" or "csm" mode available
18:33<daviid>centrx: is that ok with raid 10?
18:34<Speed2u>strange enough, now i could create the cert without problems :P i guess everything had to do with too little pizza
18:35<centrx>daviid, I don't know, certainly in theory it's okay
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18:36<daviid>now i see that grub-efi is installed, but /boot/efi is empty
18:36<daviid>i'd prefer to stay away from efi as well
18:36<daviid>so install grub-pc [grub2] and try to find out the UEFI flag in the bios is that right?
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18:42<Speed2u>strange.. trying to upload modified versions of my virtual hosts through sftp, but have no permission to do so, even if i ran chown myuser /etc/apache2/sites-available.. 9is it some flag for directories?
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18:43*daviid wants computer without bios
18:44<daviid>no more shit
18:44<daviid>it is terrible
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18:45<Speed2u>hmm syrange that i have no permission to upload files to a dir i'm owner of
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19:59<daviid>ouaw, wierd: i did change to boot legacy no bios, reinstalled grub-pc and it did reboot fine once. now it does not reboot any more, it does land in rescue, it just show the cursor blinking after the bios tests
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20:06<daviid>i did try the CD, rescue mode, and dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc ... and it liste errors: this GPT partition label contains no BIOS Boot partitioning won't be possible
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20:08<daviid>grub-bios-setup warning: embedding ..
20:08<daviid>but then twice installation finished, no error reported
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20:08<daviid>then i reboot and nothing, no rescue and no debian splash ...
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