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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-09-24

---Logopened Wed Sep 24 00:00:23 2014
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02:00<fr33domlover>Does network-manager have known problems on servers?
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02:00<fr33domlover>Once in a few days my connection stops working until I restart it once or twice
02:01<fr33domlover>It usually happens at night when I'm not there to fix it XD
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02:04<grummund>Hi, how can ipv6 be disabled in exim mailserver? (and will it hurt)
02:05<grummund>?
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02:07<grummund>problem is that rDNS is not set up on the host's ipv6 addresses and so relayed mail may be rejected by the recipient server.
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02:11<_spOOn_>grummund: i dont use exim, but manual says to look for line "hostlist loopback" in exim.conf
02:11<_spOOn_>grummund: and remove the ipv6 bits on that line
02:11<_spOOn_>grummund: again, i dont use exim, so test :)
02:12<grummund>_spOOn_: out of interest which mail server do you use?
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02:13<_spOOn_>grummund: postfix ;)
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02:17<grummund>i believe there is a disable_ipv6 option but i am not sure how to set it in debian
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02:20<grummund>cat /etc/exim4/conf.d/main/00_local-config_macros
02:20<grummund>disable_ipv6 = true
02:21<grummund>seems to be the trick
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02:48<helmut_>hi
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04:25<fattaneh>i have installed jap, and then i exported proxies to terminal, but i stiil see this error after apt-get update: Err http://ceph.com precise/main i386 Packages 403  Forbidden
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04:26<jm_>what is jap?
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04:27<fattaneh>jm_: it's sth like tor
04:27<jm_>fattaneh: is it a debian package?
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04:28<fattaneh>jm_: it's jap.jar
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04:28<fattaneh>jm_: it works well with firefox
04:28<jm_>fattaneh: in that case it's not something that's supported in #debian
04:29<mczlatan>fattaneh
04:29<fattaneh>jm_: it works in ubuntu
04:29<jm_>fattaneh: that's irrelevant
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04:30<mczlatan>fattaneh: 403 forbidden. i think you dont have access to whatever you are looking for. Permission issues
04:30<fattaneh>mczlatan: yes, but i wanna download it
04:31<jm_>does it work without proxy env vars set?
04:31<fattaneh>jm_: it doesn't work because i dont have permission
04:32<jm_>fattaneh: permission for what?
04:32<mczlatan>is there not like a web page or something so you really get to see what's happening
04:33<jm_>and why are you asking about error accessing precise/main in #debian?
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04:33<fattaneh>jm_: your right i thought that it's similar to debian
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04:34<SmitySmiter>hello guys, anyone here uses Play On Linux?
04:34<jm_>fattaneh: if you are using ubuntu you should ask here:
04:34<jm_>!ubuntuirc fattaneh
04:34<dpkg>fattaneh: This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
04:34<SmitySmiter>if so, how do I enable "tests" like it's said here http://www.playonlinux.com/en/issue-3196.html
04:34<SmitySmiter>I'm on Debian 7.6, Play On Linux 4.1.1
04:34<fattaneh>jm_: thanks
04:34<jm_>fattaneh: no problem
04:35<jm_>SmitySmiter: that looks to be PoL specific, isn't it?
04:35<SmitySmiter>indeed
04:35<SmitySmiter>couldn't find much by googling, hence asked here :)
04:36<jm_>isn't this explanatory enough Open PlayOnLinux -> Graphic -> Enable 'Tests' ?
04:36<jm_>if not try asking here http://www.playonlinux.com/en/forum-72-PlayOnLinux.html
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04:37<SmitySmiter>jm_, yea but my version doesn't look like that :) .. Though, I just found it! thanks for the help
04:37<jm_>SmitySmiter: in general this policy applies here -- if it's not packaged by debian, don't bother asking here ;)
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04:38<SmitySmiter>ai ai cap :D But this seemed like next best option
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06:53<manimay>hallo :)
06:54<mczlatan>hallo
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09:52<Maulkin>!ask
09:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:52<alex_>nadie abla español noooooooooooo
09:53<Apollo>!es
09:53<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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09:59<peter1138>hmm, building ovirt for wheezy instructions seem horrible :(
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10:02<alex_>esto como se pones enpañol
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10:07<Apollo>alex_: don't PM random people. Either speak english or join the spanish channel that we linked you earlier
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11:19<yangyu01>ssadddddddddd
11:19<yangyu01>asda
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11:19<yangyu01>SadBoyNeo
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11:33<duce>hi
11:33<duce>yo
11:33<duce>what does wheezy 7.6 use by default as init?
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11:33<duce>is it systemv (the thing you fuck with)
11:34<duce>or is it systemd (the thing that fucks you)
11:34<mtn>how very droll
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11:34<retrospectacus>the old one
11:34<duce>and since wheezy is stable, will it always be systemv?
11:34<retrospectacus>wheezy will.
11:34<duce>ok so I'll stick with wheezy forever then
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11:35<retrospectacus>k
11:35<duce>and if I get new hardware, custom install cd with New linux kernel, plus wheezey
11:35<duce>forever
11:35<Apollo>k
11:35<duce>no hipster debian for me
11:35<Apollo>duce: hint: we don't care, this is a help channel
11:35<Apollo>if you need no help, shush
11:35<duce>I don't like dicks being shoved down my air tube
11:36<duce>no systemD for me
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11:36<duce>I like thing that doesn't do much and sometimes I casually fuck with
11:36<duce>systemV
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11:36<duce>which is like a bitch or a girl
11:36<Apollo>duce: again, shut up
11:36<duce>can only do one or 2 thing
11:36<Apollo>we do not care
11:36<duce>have kids
11:36<duce>give pleasure
11:36<duce>but it does them well enough
11:36<Apollo>either help, or ask for help, but we don't need another systemd rant
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11:38<duce>systemd is a phallus destroying windpipes
11:38<duce>does alot of things (kinda like men)
11:38<duce>an engineer of sorts
11:38<duce>but also is a dick fucking asshole
11:38<duce>system(((((((((((((((((D))))))))))))))))))
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11:41<LocutusOfBorg1>duce is how "mussolini" was called in Italy.
11:42<LocutusOfBorg1>so just a troll
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11:42<petn-randall>!next
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11:51<dark-jedi>lol
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11:56<omixam>Debian sometimes recognizes touchpad and sometimes not.... any help?
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12:01<ravori>hi all, are there any "get started" guides available?
12:01<ravori>I find it really hard to get started,,, for example how do you use sudo ?
12:02<ravori>... how to know if there are a IRC client available ?
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12:03<ravori>..what do all the pre installed programs do? Do I need to google every program installed to be able to figure out the usage ?
12:04<omixam>You can check the documentation of installed programs here.... file:///usr/share/doc/
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12:05<petn-randall>ravori: If you have zero background, you can start reading here: https://www.debian.org/doc/. Maybe a local Linux User Group can give you a helping hand, too.
12:05<mtn>ravori: debian does not use sudo by default. are you using debian or something else?
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12:11<omixam>I´m getting this error: # syndaemon -d
12:11<omixam>Unable to find a synaptics device....
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12:11<omixam>and xinput --list PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad id=12 [slave pointer (2)]
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12:14<mixxx>cough cough
12:14<mixxx>I'm choking
12:15<mixxx>I can't handle this big "D" down my throaght
12:15<mixxx>debian why
12:15<petn-randall>!ops mixxx
12:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: mixxx
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12:15<mixxx>why System"MotherFucking"D
12:15<mixxx>DDDDD
12:15-!-mode/#debian [+o mentor] by ChanServ
12:15<mixxx>why are you shoving this cock down my throught
12:15-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@ool-457cb62f.dyn.optonline.net] by mentor
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12:15<petn-randall>mentor: Thanks.
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12:35<ravori>do anybody know if there are any GUI client available for connecting using VPN ?
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12:36<ravori>..searched for hours,, this driving me mad !
12:36<mczlatan>ravori: GUI like click click and you are connected???
12:36<omixam>openVPN...
12:37<ravori>omixam, yes, I have a user name and password to a server
12:38<ravori>mczlatan, yes.. or instructions about how to do it in other case
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12:39<mczlatan>ravori: set up your network manager to use OpenVPN
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12:39<ravori>mczlatan, yes that is what I want to do, but how ?
12:40<mczlatan>ravori: you said you have searched google right?
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12:40<ravori>mczlatan, yes
12:40<omixam>Read the Debian docs... https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN
12:40<ravori>omixam, I done that but there are no screenshots or nothing
12:42<ravori>..I can start a server but there are no options given in the Network window.
12:42<blast007>mtn: if you don't specify a root password during install, Debian will give sudo rights to the other user you create during the install (and it even mentions such on the root password screen, iirc)
12:42<ravori>I apt-get everything but there is no more instructions how to do this
12:42<mtn>blast007: so I have heard
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12:45<mczlatan>ravori: not sure if i'm allowed to post links here but http://askubuntu.com/questions/147300/help-connecting-openvpn-in-ubuntu-12-04 try thst out.its less complicated
12:45<omixam>You can read the local docs for openvpn.... /usr/share/doc/openvpn.... there are some examples...
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12:47<ravori>mczlatan, ok , I will try one more time, thanks
12:47<ravori>omixam, thanks
12:47<ravori>have to leave
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12:47<omixam>your welcome...
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12:51<mczlatan>ravori: yezzir
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13:05<mikegrb>X (5.20.1-1) breaks Y (<< 1:0.9909) and is installed.\nVersion of Y to be configured is 0.9909-1.
13:06<mikegrb>does << mean something otherthan mathematical less than here?
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13:08<mikegrb>ahh, finally found it in 7.1, << means strictly earlier so this should be okay, right? I'm unsore about the 1: on the start though
13:08<mczlatan>mikegrb: what are you trying to do?
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13:09<mikegrb>x is perl-modules, y is libversion-perl built on latest CPAN release, 0.9909
13:10<mikegrb>ahh epoch for the 1
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13:10<mikegrb>so I guess I need to convince cpan2deb to add an epoch to the output package
13:10<mikegrb>sorry, I'm weak at this stuff
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13:12<Diziet>So I'm running squeeze-lts. Am I looking in the wrong place for the fix to the bash bug (CVE-2014-6271) ?
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13:13<centrx>Diziet, squeeze-lts should have the fix
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13:14<somiaj>Diziet: it is a different team that is supplying the seucrity fixes to squeeze-lts, It won't be annouced over teh DSA eitehr I belive, not sure if you need to get on a different mailing list or not for that.
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13:15<centrx>Diziet, It has been added to squeeze-lts, but maybe it has to work its way through and your mirror doesn't have it yet
13:15<centrx>https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bash/news/20140924T151907Z.html
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13:20<Diziet>centrx: Ah, thanks. That's very useful to know.
13:20<Diziet>Should I subscribe to d-lts-changes perhaps ? I guess I should if there's no announcement list.
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13:21<somiaj>Diziet: I would if you are running squeeze-lts
13:21<Diziet>(sorry abouit lag btw, I'm on a train)
13:24<centrx>Sounds like a great time to play Goat Simulator
13:24<Diziet>Really it would be a good time for some quality offline hacking but bash is on fire, so...
13:26<petn-randall>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-6271
13:26<petn-randall>I guess a fix for squeeze-lts is on its way.
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13:34<gagan>Hello there, what is the status of gnome 3.14 in debian ?
13:35<FlowRiser>gagan, i think it is in sid already
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13:37<petn-randall>gagan: 3.8 is packaged in sid.
13:37<gagan>FlowRiser, beta or released ?
13:38<gagan>I mean beta version of 3.14 or released ?
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13:38<gagan>petn-randall, I am using 3.12 at the moment in sid
13:38<petn-randall>gagan: https://packages.debian.org gives you a way to search for packages in the different suites.
13:38<gagan>AFAIK 3.8 is in wheezy
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13:39<FlowRiser>gagan, you can take a looksie here https://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.14-status.html
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13:40<gagan>thanks for the link FlowRiser
13:40<FlowRiser>I actually use the icons in kde xD
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14:47<mapreri>Hi! does some of you have an idea of what's wrong with http://paste.debian.net/122864/ ? (with python 3.4 in sid is ok)
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14:49<peter1138>mapreri, i don't see anyuthing wrong with it
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14:50<peter1138>mapreri, use == to test equality
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14:53<mapreri>peter1138: well, if I use != instead of "is not" works as expected. maybe I miss something...
14:54<peter1138>"is not" tests if the object is the same object
14:55<peter1138>"!=" tests if the objects have the same value
14:55<peter1138>roughly. i'm not into python.
14:55<mapreri>peter1138: and why does the test pass with python 3.4?
14:56<peter1138>no idea, never used it
14:56<mapreri>umh
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14:59<blast007>mapreri: searching for "python string comparison" on your favorite search engine should yield some useful information
14:59<furryanimal>anyone have an idea how i enable proxypass for apache to get roundcube with converse to connect to the xmpp server running on the same host?
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15:18<Ginger1>hi all
15:18<Wollie88>Hi ginger1
15:19<Ginger1>enjoying my first time ircing on linux
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15:31<Brigo>Ginger1, this is a support channel, if you want only to chat, consider to join #debian-offtopic.
15:32<Ginger1>brigo: thank you. didn't realise.
15:32<Brigo>Ginger1, np :)
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16:49<Zyro>whats a good c++ debugger program for deb7?
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16:49<knoppix__>dccc
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18:19<paul>hello
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18:20<Guest767>looking for a mint room any help
18:21<blast007>!mint
18:21<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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18:28<ohnoe>would it be possible to add an fuck-off button to kde? it would be very helpful in cases like: kde network manager asking me for kde wallet pasword 100 times (1 time per second) without option to say "f* off, let me just enter wifi pass by hand"
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18:29<ohnoe>or to quiet the apt updates that keep popping over my mplayer fullscreen movies (on debian testing)
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18:29<ohnoe>especially seeing as debian next is in state very far from being polished to use, is there an option to kill programs that do such annoying things
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18:31<somiaj>ohnoe: you will have to manually change/disable what ever auto tool you are using. You do not have to use a network-manager to configure your network, you don't have to have automatic updates notifications, etc. Many old timers like myself use a minimilistic wm with out all these fancy features for just that reason.
18:31<kenyon>ohnoe: 1) look for existing bug reports on those annoyances, 2) file bugs if none found, 3) stop using and uninstall such annoying software
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18:31<somiaj>ohnoe: but if you like the kde world you may have to configure/remove the parts you don't like. Rember kde in debian is not only a large collection of software it is also a set of defaults which can be changed.
18:32<Kjetil>looks like your problems are related to using a GUI, try using CLI :P </mr. helpful>
18:33<ohnoe>somiaj: any idea which software does the updates popups crap? and what was his author and/or dbus(?) autho smoking that lead them to making the popup cover obviously more interesting things like mplayer with game of thrones?
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18:34<somiaj>ohnoe: I don't use the desktops so unsure what program is doing that. You can look at the processes 'ps fax' try to isolate it, or look at the packages you have installed 'dpkg -l' or ask google. But I'm failry sure you can turn off the notifications altogether.
18:35<somiaj>ohnoe: this means of course you will have to rember to upgrade on your own
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18:37<kenyon>ohnoe: looks like the component is called knotify, but it's part of the kde-runtime package so you can't uninstall it if you want to use any part of KDE
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18:38<themill>not true, but it already ragequit
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18:39<kenyon>good
18:39<ohnoe>didn't read past lines (net problem). I was trying to ask: can I make the report about these popups against package fuckingpopupsd since I do not know the name of package and that is best guess of what the name could be?
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18:41<ohnoe>or kfuckingpopupsd
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19:00<Zyro>kenyon, just saw the reply, thx
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19:03<Zyro>how can i set the default number of spaces for the tab button in gedit?
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19:21<somiaj>Zyro: have you asked google? specifc software questions like that are somethimes best asked in places that use such software (many here will use a varity of editors)
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19:22<somiaj>Zyro: I got lots of hits, seems there is a config file you can configure
19:22<Zyro>somiaj, can you pass me the url? i googled quite a bit and couldnt find anything useful
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19:24<somiaj>Zyro: I don't want to find the decent one, seems you might be able to find it in the preferences, but search around I'm sure you'll figure it out. (:
19:24<somiaj>I see lots of hits the one that works for you I don't want to dig though until I find a good one
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19:25<Zyro>k, thx
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20:11<Guest770>im try'n to install windows xp (i know xp is not supported but thats what he has and isnt using it for online work) on this guys pc, he has no cd drive and i need to take the disk make it an iso(which is on my labtop now) and put it on usb to boot into so i can install it for him. how do i do this? i have searched a lot on google with no avail.
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20:13<MrFrood>Guest770: ##windows on irc.freenode.net
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20:14<Guest770>ok
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20:23<Guest770>windows says it a linux question, lol
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20:26<Brigo>Guest196, how to put a windows in an usb is a linux question?
20:27<Guest770>yeah, no one can seem to help me, windows dont know
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20:28<kenyon>using a USB CD drive is probably easiest
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20:28<Guest770>i just need to install win xp from usb i used a couple programs but cant get it to work
20:29<Guest770>so how do i get this iso on usb to boot?
20:31<kenyon>dd if=file.iso of=/dev/whatevertheUSBdriveis
20:32<Guest770>@kenyon https://pastee.org/779uq
20:33<kenyon>Guest770: you have to quote the filename if it has a space
20:33<kenyon>are those the commands you actually entered?
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20:34<Guest770>but i used dir check with tab, and thats what came out. yes
20:34<kenyon>then you did it wrong
20:35<Guest770>what did i do wrong? does it need to be sdb1 not sdb?
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20:35<kenyon>Guest770: you have to quote the filename if it has a space
20:36<blumoon>kenyon: did you mark the usb flash drive partion as bootable and in fat/ntfs FS ?
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20:36<kenyon>blumoon: you mean Guest770
20:36<blumoon>kenyon: yes sorry
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20:38<omixam>I´m getting this error: # synclient -l
20:38<omixam>Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
20:38<omixam> ... Any idea?
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20:38<kenyon>!synaptics
20:38<dpkg>Synaptics is an X.org driver for laptop touchpads/trackpads. Install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options; configuration tools include synclient and gpointing-device-settings. http://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad . See also <clickpad>, <trackpoint>.
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20:39<Guest770>i marked flag as boot, so can you please show me what you meant by no space's. im kinda a noob on terminal, sorry. ive been trying my hardest to get this to work
20:40<kenyon>Guest770: just rename the iso file so it doesn't have a space, and try again
20:41<Guest770>@ kenyon ok. thank you :)
20:41<Guest770>@kenyon ok. thank you :)
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20:42<sney>if you have a windows machine handy, the utility "rufus" is excellent for turning isos into usb installers
20:45<Guest770>yeah i seen that program i only have crunchbang, im try'n to help this old guy out.
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20:48<sney>you have crunchbang, and you're helping someone with windows, and you asked in #debian... it's like some big merry-go-round of stuff that don't match
20:49<Guest770>@kenyon i did the commands again, but the usb in the pc and still hangs at boot and the os is not booting.
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20:49<Guest770>yeah #crunchbang is dead for help. so im trying everything else
20:50<kenyon>Guest770: no idea, I hate windows
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20:51<Guest770>it seem windows hates linux or the other way around
20:52<sney>they do not tend to play nicely together
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20:52<sney>I support both at work but I've never had any reason to make a winxp installer from linux, much less one not on optical media
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20:53<omixam>I already have installed and configured xserver-xorg-input-synaptics.... But I getting this error, yet...
20:54<abrotman>Guest770: this channel doesn't support Windows or Crunchbang
20:55<Guest770>ok...
20:55<centrx>Despite rumors to the contrary, Windows is not even a Debian-derived distribution.
20:55<Guest770>crunchbang is
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20:56<abrotman>Guest770: neither are supported here, good luck
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21:00<omixam>With xinput --list
21:00<omixam> I get: PS/2 Synaptics TouchPad ... But yet the touchpad is detected...
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23:26<deaddeb>Is Jessie going to be the first "mainstream" DebianBSD?
23:30<centrx>deaddeb, https://release.debian.org/jessie/arch_qualify.html
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23:46<man_alive>I need some help with a debian vps.
23:46<man_alive>Don't have root but need to install something.
23:46<man_alive>Not sure how to proceed or even what resources I should be googling.
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23:48<centrx>man_alive, just put it in your home directory and run it from there
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23:50<man_alive>centrex: that is what I thought but as a new user I need a bit more direction
23:50<man_alive>can you suggest an on-line resource
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