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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-09-25

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00:31<DVCE_>hi
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00:50<xAlCrazy>hi
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01:24<[C]hris>Anyone here know about CVE-2014-6271 bash exploit
01:24<gsimmons>[C]hris: https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-3032
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01:50<casualuse>Im choking
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01:51<casualuse>I got this SystemD stuck down my throaght
01:51<casualuse>COUGH COUGH
01:51<casualuse>GARGLE
01:51<casualuse>its spurting all it's usless security circumventing warez down my kneck
01:51<casualuse>COUCH
01:51<casualuse>I can barely breathe
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01:52<casualuse>Thank's Redhat current and Former employees for forcing this on us
01:52<casualuse>and thank's debian-women cunts for having all the real men in debian kicked out
01:52<casualuse>(ted walther etc)
01:52<casualuse>and acting as an HR department screening "new hires"
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01:57<themill>casualuse: wrong channel. Perhaps /dev/null is the place you are looking for
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01:57<casualuse>themill, how about I find and kill you
01:57<casualuse>if you won't listen to the users
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01:58<casualuse>we should kill you
01:58<@themill>how about you just go away?
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01:58-!-casualuse was kicked from #debian by themill [You should know better]
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02:06<scerosna>Current Debian "Devs" won't listen to users, They won't listen to system admins.
02:06<scerosna>They won't listen to programmers. They force systemd on us and laugh "haha soon there will be no distro you can go to!"
02:06<scerosna>They should at the very least be beaten. They have kicked from their ranks those who are "not socially acceptable" to women etc. Revenge is needed.
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02:07<ryonaloli>scerosna: stop
02:07<ryonaloli>you're making people who dislike systemd for legit reasons look bad
02:07<scerosna>stop systemd
02:07<ryonaloli>scerosna: spamming about it isn't how you go about doing that
02:07-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
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02:08<jm_>maybe tell him to contribute to uselessd then
02:08<ryonaloli>is uselessd getting big?
02:09<ryonaloli>i thought it was just some small thing that like 2 people knew about, is it going to be a valid replacement?
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02:10<jm_>if no-one contributes then it probably won't happen, even then I somehow doubt debian would switch for example
02:11<ryonaloli>debian will not switch
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02:11<ryonaloli>too political to switch to an init system whos purpose is to be anti-systemd
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02:12<tuxassesor>I didn't join this channel
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02:13<tuxassesor>what happened to the freenet channel?
02:13<ryonaloli>tuxassesor: freenet is on freenode
02:13<tuxassesor>who is ryona?
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02:52<anny>but why not contribute to openrc?
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02:52<anny>same killer-features
02:53<ryonaloli>because systemd shills complained about its parallel boot feature being unstable (which is seems not to be anymore)
02:54<themill>"shills" just labels you as someone to be *plonked*.
02:54<ryonaloli>how rude
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02:54<ncl>debian/other's init has had parallel boot for years via startpar though
02:55<ryonaloli>no one calls it plonked anymore though
02:55<themill>ncl: that's only a sort-of-parallelised init.
02:55<ryonaloli>ncl: it was never enabled by default
02:55<ncl>kinda-maybe-parallelised
02:56<ncl>ryonaloli: it was as of wheezy
02:56<ryonaloli>huh
02:56<roy>Hi all. Does anybody know why the zabbix backport packages in wheezy backports are marked obsolete?
02:56<ryonaloli>never knew that
02:56<ncl>I think even squeeze has insserv/startpar
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02:57<ncl>I wonder if it even makes a difference considering you have to figure out depends and ordering though
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02:57<ryonaloli>hm
02:58<ryonaloli>why again did debian switch away from it?
02:58<ryonaloli>because ubuntu did? or was it the other way around...
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03:01<jm_>switch away from what?
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03:02<mtj>hi all, whats the best way to patch debian 'squeeze' for CVE-2014-6271 ?
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03:02<mtj>any ideas?
03:03<weasel>enable squeeze-lts?
03:03<mtj>aaah, thanks weasel :)
03:03<mtj>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-6271
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03:05<mtj>awesome
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03:20<jm_>heh apparently that bash fix is not complete
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03:21<ryonaloli>jm_: it isn't, this still works: env X='() { (a)=>\' bash -c "echo echo vuln"; [[ "$(cat echo)" == "vuln" ]] && echo "still vulnerable :("
03:21<babilen>jm_: ash fix?
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03:22<jm_>http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/09/25/10
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03:22<jm_>ryonaloli: and that's what I just said ...
03:23<ryonaloli>jm_: i know, i mean, it's that one you're talking aboutg, right?
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03:24<jm_>ryonaloli: yes
03:24<ryonaloli>i was just told on #gentoo on freenode that a fix for it has just been released very recently
03:25<ryonaloli>dunno about debian yet
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05:53<linuss>hola
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05:55<tkhai>hi, people
05:56<tkhai>I see some gnome-3.14 packages in unstable. has anybody tried them?
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05:57<sarefo>I dual-boot debian + win7, what's the best way to ensure they both show the same time? win7 seems to set system time to my local timezone, while debian chooses the better UTC. can debian play nice with this win7 "feature"?
05:58<tkhai>debian asks about your preference during instalation, don't it?
05:59<sarefo>not sure, anyway it's too late now :)
05:59<jm_>sarefo: it's not too late
05:59<sarefo>jm_, no, I mean to set it in the installation
05:59<jm_>!utc
05:59<dpkg>Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the standard by which the world regulates clocks and time (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time). For Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems, set "UTC" or "LOCAL" in /etc/adjtime (man 8 hwclock). For Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" systems, set the UTC option in /etc/default/rcS appropriately (man rcs). For all systems, run «service hwclock.sh restart» to apply changes. See also <windows utc>.
06:00<jm_>sarefo: ^^^^^
06:00<jm_>I use "local" in debian because I also have windows there for example
06:00<sarefo>thanks a lot :)
06:01<jm_>no problem
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06:15<edhelas_>hi everyone
06:15<blackboxcoder>hi, i have a little problem. i updated my system with apt-get update and loaded 512kbyte for the bash update but my client is still "hackable"
06:16<blackboxcoder>you have any ideas how the get the latest bash update?
06:16<edhelas_>same question here :)
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06:17<blackboxcoder>i have also rebooted my system
06:18<jm_>wait for this fix: CVE-2014-7169
06:18<blackboxcoder>this mean there is no patch for debian at this moment?
06:19<jm_>or build the package yourself https://packages.debian.org/sid/bash
06:20<jm_>ahh no just wait, it's not there yet based on the changelog
06:20<jm_>so yeah no patch for the second issue yet
06:20<blackboxcoder>okay, thanks for your fast response
06:20<edhelas_>:(
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06:26<artemis>This is the debian developers channel, yeah?
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06:27<jm_>no
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06:36<stemid>is it safe to assume that patching bash will usually require a restart? I'm just trying to clarify if it's feasible to patch only the bash package or if I should assume that dependencies will require the entire system to be patched.
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06:38<jm_>restart? i hope not
06:38<artemis>stemid: No, you can relog. As long as it's removed from memory and reloaded you're fine.
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06:38<stemid>ok thanks
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06:45<edhelas_>the stable package seem to be fixed, but it's not fixed yet in testing
06:45<edhelas_>http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/b/bash/bash_4.3-9_changelog
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06:45<edhelas_>oh well http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/b/bash/bash_4.3-9.1_changelog
06:45<edhelas_>didn't saw it :D
06:46<artemis>What's the recommended way to get your keys signed by a DD?
06:46<jm_>edhelas_: that one is from yesterday and is missing the additional fix for CVE-2014-7169
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06:47<edhelas_>well my repository still gave me de 4.3-9 and not the 9.1
06:48<edhelas_>I'll wait for the jessie release
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06:50<jm_>artemis: this page says something about it https://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-step2
06:52<artemis>jm_: thanks
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06:53<jm_>4.3-9.1 is only in sid
06:53<jm_>artemis: no worries
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07:00<alexey_>_> Hello All. I have debian server with installed drweb-esuite-server-604 and expired license key. And i have new serial number. How i can setup new number?
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07:02<jm_>alexey_: drweb-esuite-server-604 is not in debian
07:02<jm_>alexey_: you should talk to whoever provides that
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07:03<supaman>we can only support software that is in the debian repositories
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07:21<alexey_><supaman>, ок, thankyou
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07:31<sarefo>I broke the debian on my keyboard-less eeepc, it now displays "platform microcode: firmware: agent aborted loading intel-ucode/06-1c-02 (not found?)". then it drops me to the emergency mode. is there a way to defuse this without running the actual debian (wheezy) in question? that is, by changes on the file system.
07:32<sarefo>(b/c it doesn't recognize a usb keyboard at this point.)
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07:35<sarefo>my main motivation would be to get to a state where I can actually attach a usb keyboard, or get it to respond via a remote shell or something.
07:36<jm_>but how will you make any modification without a keyboard?
07:36<sarefo>removing the hd, editing in the debian I'm using here :)
07:37<sarefo>that's why the ideal thing would be to do it on file system level.
07:37<jm_>right, for that installing intel-microcode and updating initramfs should help with the above error, but i thought that's for CPU so not sure why it wouldn't boot without it
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07:37<sarefo>I don't know how to get a used replacement keyboard here in HK :P
07:39<supaman>hmm, would it be possible to chroot into an external hd?
07:40<sarefo>never tried that, but now that you say it, couldn't I run it as a virtual machine? :)
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07:41<jm_>no, you simply chroot and fix it as in here:
07:41<jm_>!fixmbr
07:41<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), then chroot into it (chroot /target) and run "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. Also works for EFI!
07:41<jm_>obviously grub stuff doesn't apply to you
07:42<supaman>well, writing the disk out as an img (on the working machine disk), using that as a virtual machine, fix it and write it back on the eeepc disk could work also, but chroot sounds simpler :-)
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07:43<sarefo>can't I just use the existing exthd as an image for virtualbox or so?
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07:45<supaman>dont know about that
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07:49<sarefo>ok, trying chroot :)
07:50<d-fence>Hi wall. Can someone point me on how to install wine for 32 bit applications on a Debian amd64. I tried and it removed half of the whole system.
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07:56<pujan14>d-fence: you can run multiarch system and run 32-bit wine
07:57<d-fence>pujan14: That's what I try. I 'm on multiarch. But when I apt-get install wine32:i386, it fails.
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07:59<pujan14>d-fence: what's output of "dpkg --print-foreign-architectures"? If it gives i386 what's error with apt-get?
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08:00<pujan14>ok and were does "apt-get install wine:i386" fails?
08:00<jm_>have you tried http://www.binarytides.com/install-wine-debian-wheezy/ ?
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08:01<d-fence>pujan14: wait, it's in french. I change lang and paste on pastie
08:01<jm_>alternatively use a chroot
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08:01<pujan14>jm_: nice guide...
08:02<d-fence>pujan14: http://paste.debian.net/123005/
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08:02<d-fence>If I apt-get install the whole required packages, it remove gnome ... and other usefull packages
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08:03<pujan14>d-fence: do "apt-get update && apt-get install -f" looks like you have broken packages
08:04<pujan14>I have faced similar issue with skype. don't remember how I solved it
08:05<d-fence>pujan14: no, ended with no errors and did not install broken packages or so.
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08:06<pujan14>d-fence: can you install libwine:i386?
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08:07<d-fence>http://paste.debian.net/123006/
08:07<d-fence>No, if I try ton install unmet dependencies, that's what breaks the whole system
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08:09<peter1138>you're not using wheezy are you?
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08:10<d-fence>peter1138: testing
08:11<pujan14>d-fence: sorry I have no idea how to resolve this
08:11<peter1138>try #debian-next
08:12<d-fence>pujan14: ok thanks anyway
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08:18<d-fence>I did it with synaptic. I choosed wine-development (1.7) and uninstalled the older wine (1.6).
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08:20<peter1138>try #debian-next as here is wheezy support
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08:22<miles>hi all
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08:25<miles>how can I fix cve-2014-6271 on a jessie (raspi)
08:27<themill>You'd want to ask #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for raspbian support.
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08:27<miles>ok thx
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09:08<dsheets>http://ftp.uk.debian.org down?
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09:10<themill>dsheets: it's off sulking, yes. http.debian.net can make a more robust choice
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09:11<dsheets>themill, cool, thanks!
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09:35<EmleyMoor>Anyone know how I stop gam_server? (temporarily)
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09:36<Brigo>EmleyMoor, service gam_server stop?
09:36<EmleyMoor>Brigo: No
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09:36<EmleyMoor>unrecognized service
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09:37<Brigo>EmleyMoor, yes it is not a service, i think it should be.
09:38<valdyn>EmleyMoor: just kill it
09:38<EmleyMoor>valdyn: It restarts straight away. I need to have it stay dead
09:38<valdyn>EmleyMoor: why?
09:38<valdyn>EmleyMoor: why does it need to stay dead?
09:39<EmleyMoor>Because it's preventing me adjusting the size of a filesystem
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09:39<valdyn>EmleyMoor: log out of gnome
09:40<valdyn>EmleyMoor: gamin is a common component of several gnome applications
09:40<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... was just coming to that conclusion
09:40<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you can also use umount -l
09:41<valdyn>EmleyMoor: (if you know what you are doing...)
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09:52<Maulkin>!ask
09:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:59<kjetilho>I risk asking a FAQ: will there be an updated bash package for Squeeze?
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10:01<Yoda-BZH>yes, but in squeeze-lts only
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10:02<kjetilho>oh! wow. I didn't know about the need for that change. thanks!
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10:16<Technocafter>hi
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10:25<babilen>Technocafter: Please go and play elsewhere. ta.
10:26<Technocafter>whatß
10:26<Technocafter>why?
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10:27<GrMarx>hi
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10:30<maxb>Does anyone know of a *good* option for a local caching APT proxy? I've tried both approx and apt-cacher-ng, and both seem to have a tendency to break when used by more than one client
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10:31<koollman>maxb: I use a 'regular' http caching proxy for that. polipo.
10:32<koollman>couldn't find a decent apt proxy
10:33<themill>I've never seen acng break when it's not talking to a broken mirror
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10:34<maxb>acng at least wins out over approx by not serving up bad data to clients, but it's being trivially overloaded by ~10 clients
10:34<Technocafter>muschy
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10:53<Guest828>hello
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10:54<dpkg>hello, centrx
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11:03<frlttrwrd>is there an easy way to express "rm everything but this, this and this" in bash?
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11:04<kjetilho>frlttrwrd: I usually resort to generating the list of files with find(1)
11:04<kjetilho>I use the advanced globbing to seldom to remember how
11:05<frlttrwrd>I finally have to read man find then, thanks
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11:08<nkennedy_>same here. something like: rm $(find .|grep -v -f excludedfiles.list)
11:09<nkennedy_>is squeeze not under maintenance any more? I'm not seeing updates on a squeeze box.
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11:09<kjetilho>if you're sure there are no spaces or other "strange" characters in your filenames
11:09<kjetilho>nkennedy_: you need to change codename to "squeeze-lts" for main
11:09<centrx>dpkg, tell nkennedy_ about squeeze-lts
11:09<nkennedy_>thanks!
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11:16<nkennedy_>Wow, I've been tuned out of debian lately, seeing as I missed the memo on LTS.
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11:16<centrx>nkennedy, yes squeeze is EOL except for "volunteer" security support for AMD64 and i386
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11:17<centrx>which is supposed to be even more "volunteer" than regular Debian "volunteer"
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11:25<eleve>bonjour
11:26<eleve>hey repondez là
11:26<kjetilho>am I supposed to remove debian-security when I'm using squeeze-lts?
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11:26<eleve>hi
11:26<eleve>can you help me?
11:26<kjetilho>remember the old IRC saying: don't ask to ask
11:26<eleve>i have a problem
11:26<eleve>pls
11:27<eleve>goobie
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11:27<eleve>hey counard
11:27<nkennedy>https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Using seems relevant
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11:28<nkennedy>suggesting that the answer is "no"
11:28<kjetilho>aaah. how did I miss that
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11:28<kjetilho>so my error was to replace squeeze
11:28<nkennedy>don't feel bad, I missed the LTS announcement three months ago.
11:30<nkennedy>I should upgrade to wheezy
11:30<centrx>yes
11:31<centrx>!ask
11:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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11:31<wompa>eleve already left
11:31<kjetilho>centrx: a bit late, eleve left already
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11:31<centrx>yeah...well it's good advice for everyone!
11:32<kjetilho>:-)
11:32<wompa>yeah, thanks!
11:32<centrx>np
11:32<nkennedy>he was very polite though
11:34<nkennedy>or maybe squeeze will end up being the first immortal debian release through endless life extension, a la Aubrey du Grey
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11:34<kjetilho>not Dorian?
11:35<centrx>portrait of the artist as a young man?
11:35<centrx>nah wrong character
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11:36<centrx>however ironic
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11:43<lenja>hi
11:43<zwe_wathone>hi
11:43<lenja>seit ihr neu hier?
11:44<lenja>?????
11:44<zwe_wathone>what you say?
11:44<zwe_wathone>can you speed english?
11:44<lenja>oh you spreek english!
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11:45<zwe_wathone>where are you from?
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11:46<wompa>lenja, English is the official language of this channel, but there is one with German: #debian-de
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11:47<zwe_wathone>right
11:47<wompa>However, both are strictly for technical help regarding Debian
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12:15<Kureyslii>EUZUBILLAHIMINEÞÞEYTANIRRACIM BISMILLAHIRRAHMANIRRAHIM
12:15<Kureyslii>ALLAHU EKBERRRRR! LA ÝLAHE ÝLLALLAH MUHAMMEDEN RESULULLAH!
12:15<Kureyslii>END TIMES hadith
12:15<Kureyslii>There comes a time, then the Muslims do today if I did that one-tenth of worship, is freed from the punishment of the Hereafter. Prophet Muhammad s.a.v.
12:15<Kureyslii>A time it commanded you that you are leaving one-tenth of the world would be destroyed. Then it will come a time when he commanded the self gets rid of that one-tenth of Muhammad pbuh
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12:20<kjetilho>it would be ironic if the nick was "Noah" ;)
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12:21<T0rch>bash --version
12:21<T0rch>GNU bash, version 4.3.24(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
12:21<T0rch>how i ca update?
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12:24<T0rch>it appear that my system is still vulnerable...
12:24<centrx>!security
12:24<dpkg>Put "deb http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in <stable>. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude full-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <dsa>, <security backports>, <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>, <browser security>.
12:24<centrx>T0rch, Look at: dpkg -l bash
12:24<T0rch>ok
12:24<centrx>T0rch, That is the important version, Debian backports security fixes to the stable version, without changing the base version of the software
12:25<T0rch>Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
12:25<T0rch>| Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
12:25<T0rch>|/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
12:25<T0rch>||/ Name Version Architecture Description
12:25<T0rch>+++-==============-============-============-=================================
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12:25<T0rch>Sorry! :(
12:26<centrx>T0rch, Use paste.debian.net, though in this case all that is needed is the last line
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12:26<T0rch>ok i will form now on
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12:28<kjetilho>we didn't get the last line
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12:40<T0rch>im on jessie here, apititude update/upgrade after adding this source did not solved my problem...
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12:42<centrx>T0rch, testing does not get security updates as promptly as stable or unstable
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12:42<centrx>T0rch, It should be in today or tomorrow
12:43<centrx>T0rch, You can also grab the package from unstable, that is a good solution for security issues with testing
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12:43<centrx>T0rch, Also the original fix for the whole bash bug was apparently incomplete, so there may be another package coming out soon
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12:47<T0rch>ok so i better wait...
12:47<T0rch>no problem !
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13:11<torch>anyone know a channel I can get help for pbuilder and mini-dinstall ?
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13:50<maxy>torch: I guess that #debian-mentors
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14:07<ZeMaster>Okay, seeing as I don't know where to ask about this, I'll ask here.
14:08<ZeMaster>I have a laptop with what looks like a faulty embedded intel graphics card
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14:08<ZeMaster>Is there a way to use X without a grapihcs card? And if so, how do I disable/remove it.
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14:08<ZeMaster>I can't even use the damn console because it's full of random scanlines and portions of the screen are missing.
14:09<valdyn>ZeMaster: why X ?
14:09<retrospectacus>you'll probably have to replace the motherboard
14:10<valdyn>ZeMaster: what is it you want to do with a laptop that has no working display?
14:10<ZeMaster>That's the thing.
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14:10<ZeMaster>The display works fine
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14:10<ZeMaster>But for some reason if it uses the intel hd drivers it's messy and all over the place
14:10<ZeMaster>The problem is not limited to linux with this antique.
14:10<ZeMaster>Inspiron 6400
14:11<valdyn>ZeMaster: so dont use those drivers
14:11<ZeMaster>Well, how do I not use the drivers, that is my question then, I guess.
14:11<ZeMaster>Sorry, never went so in depth
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14:11<blast007>ZeMaster: tried swapping out the RAM?
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14:11<blast007>(or at least doing memory tests?)
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14:11<daenney>Does anyone know why https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-3033 (the NSS security thingy) is 404'ing?
14:11<ZeMaster>Just as a fair question: how would the ram be related?
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14:12<blast007>ZeMaster: because Intel graphics uses your system RAM
14:12<ansgar>daenney: That URL works for me[tm].
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14:12<ZeMaster>I see.
14:12<daenney>ansgar: Well, not on the SFO wifi apparently, wtf :)
14:12<ZeMaster>Though, wouldn't the entire thing fail horribly due to bad ram?
14:12<ansgar>daenney: But there are multiple mirrors, maybe not all are up-to-date.
14:12<valdyn>ZeMaster: what do you get when hitting ctrl-alt-f1 ?
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14:13<daenney>ansgar: Oh good point, that would explain it indeed
14:13<ZeMaster>A choppy looking terminal.
14:13<blast007>ZeMaster: I've seem faulty RAM cause weird graphical artifacts without completely failing
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14:13<valdyn>ZeMaster: so thats what you get without a gfx driver
14:13<valdyn>ZeMaster: what else do you want?
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14:16<ZeMaster>Sec.
14:17-!-mode/#debian [+l 701] by debhelper
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14:18<ZeMaster>http://puu.sh/bNyi9/27f4ec5b5f.png
14:19<ZeMaster>That would explain it a tad better, I guess.
14:19<ZeMaster>Sorry about the low quality.
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14:26<ZeMaster>valdyn, not good enough?
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14:59<ZeMaster>blast007, accordng to memtest, the RAM is fne?
14:59<ZeMaster>fine*
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15:02<ZeMaster>Also, the issue looks like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/aFzrV.jpg
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15:05<blast007>ZeMaster: generally you'd run a memory test for more like a day or two straight as a single pass isn't a sufficient test, and that message is saying it's a memory error
15:05<ZeMaster>I see.
15:05<ZeMaster>Well that's somewhat of a lost cause in this case.
15:06<blast007>I'd recommend shutting down and removing all power (A/C and battery), take the ram out and put it back in and see if it works then. Or if there is two sticks of RAM, try one at a time.
15:06<dtcrshr>hello everyone! im using debian on some servers, and on my desktop. Im worried about the but on shell, but no updates were released, is there any workarround I should make?
15:06<dtcrshr>http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/09/bash-bug-as-big-as-heartbleed.html#.VCMlbhbjO4w
15:07<ZeMaster>Exactly what I'm attempting right now
15:07<blast007>dtcrshr: which version of Debian?
15:07<ZeMaster>blast007, does that image I just linked look like it is indeed RAM related?
15:07<dtcrshr>blast007: mostly 6
15:07<dtcrshr>my desktop is on 7 and a ftp server
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15:08<blast007>ZeMaster: it very well could be
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15:13<ZeMaster>Alright blast007, it still persists.
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15:13<ZeMaster>So either both sticks are toast, or there's another underlying cause.
15:13<blast007>ZeMaster: might be deeper in the system..
15:13<blast007>yeah..
15:13<ZeMaster>I can't even use the goddamn console if debian loads the desktop environment
15:13<ZeMaster>So the same issue applies to recovery console.
15:14<ZeMaster>If there was a way to kill dependancy on the driver or whatever, I'd do it.
15:14<ZeMaster>I just don't know of such a way.
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15:21<ZeMaster>Alright, so how do I disable/remove the intel graphics driver?
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15:27<ompaul>ZeMaster: t
15:27<ZeMaster>I'm sorry, what?
15:28<ompaul>ZeMaster: memory parity error on that png ...
15:28<ompaul>ZeMaster: get new ram
15:28<ZeMaster>I see.
15:28<ompaul>error on screen ...
15:28<ZeMaster>And in the mean time, how do I disable the graphics card?
15:28<ompaul>in bios and when you do ... the box will if it is able to be attached to by ssh available that way
15:29<ompaul>but ... note this
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15:29<ompaul>that is a memory parity error I guess ram not video at all
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15:29<ompaul>try removing one stick if you have more than one
15:29<ompaul>that would be a better fix
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15:36<ZeMaster>ompaul, I tried that
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15:36<ZeMaster>Neither sticks resolved the issue.
15:37<ompaul>what do you think a parity error is?
15:38<ompaul>it's not going to be a video card thing -go into the bios and when you disable it how are you going to reenable it
15:38<ompaul>not something Ive ever done
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15:38<ompaul>unless I stuck and different card into the box
15:38<ompaul>you could search blacklist driver and reboot I suppose
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15:39<ompaul>ZeMaster: how old is the box?
15:39<ZeMaster>Alright ompaul, let me ask you this then
15:39<ompaul>ZeMaster: how old is the box?
15:39<ZeMaster>A memory parity error is related to one or both sticks?
15:39<ZeMaster>It's an inspiron 6400, so god knows.
15:39<ompaul>or a bus
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15:39<ZeMaster>Hmm, then it's most likely the bus.
15:40<ZeMaster>It most likely got some physical damage that caused this.
15:40<ompaul>and given the box is about 8 years old
15:40<ompaul>I'd say old age got to it
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15:41<ZeMaster>Hmm, that too could be quite probable.
15:41<ZeMaster>The weird thing is, and this was with a windows machine
15:41<ZeMaster>When I got rid of the graphics driver, the next session worked fine in terms of showing the desktop without any graphical issues.
15:41<ZeMaster>That is why I asked about disabling the damned thing.
15:42<ompaul>you can blacklist the driver
15:42<ompaul>!blacklist
15:42<dpkg>To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting
15:42<ompaul>but it will KILL your screen output 100%
15:42<ompaul>so kind of pointless for your use case
15:43<towo`>since when?
15:43<ZeMaster>Isn't there some sort of a default driver to use in it's stead?
15:43<ompaul>vga but it;s going to be talking to the same chip set
15:43<towo`>blacklisting intel would the system let use vesa
15:43<peter1138>dtcrshr, if you have wheezy, then security repo contains the fix. if you have squeeze, then you need squeeze-lts adding, and probably don't use squeeze
15:43<ompaul>that's going to be interesting with a modern X
15:44<ompaul>towo`: please go get my brain a new ethernet cable
15:44*ompaul sheehssss himself
15:44<ompaul>I blame the fact I was up before 5am and it is about 9pm local
15:45<ompaul>bed nn
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15:45<ompaul>ZeMaster: he's right and my brain is shutting down nn
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15:45<ZeMaster>Thanks, have fun.
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15:46<dtcrshr>thanks peter1138
15:46<ompaul>I'll have some zs :)
15:46<dtcrshr>im tryint go dist-update some of the boxes
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15:53<dutchfish>hi, anyone tested patch for #762760 already? can i safely roll it out?
15:54<dutchfish>(debian/stable x64)
15:55<centrx>,bug #762760
15:55<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/762760 in bash (open, security): «bash: still vulnerable to environment exploits»; severity: grave; opened: 2014-09-24; last modified: 2014-09-25.
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15:55<dutchfish>centrx, this is the patch for thta one https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=16;filename=eol-pushback.patch;att=1;bug=762760
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16:13<eightyeight>what is a simple dpkg(8) command for testing if the dpkg(8) database is in a clean state?
16:14<eightyeight>i just need a simple one-liner "healthy" "not healthy" response (the text doesn't matter)
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16:17<eightyeight>"dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." is what i'm trying to fix, but i have them on a number of servers behind salt/puppet
16:18<eightyeight>so, it's difficult to get just the hosts that have the issue, when i get a flood of output from aptitude(*)
16:18<eightyeight>s/*/8/
16:18<eightyeight>heh
16:19<dutchfish>eightyeight, there are several ways, but not as an installable script | use debsums to check each and every file of your system (that is how i do it) | or | just run the sequence aptitude update && aptitude -s safe-upgrade , scrutinize its respons
16:20<dutchfish>eightyeight, i use puppet as well
16:20<eightyeight>yeah. i'm not really interested in checking package file content integrity. just of the db itself, so i can see "oh, these hosts need "dpkg --configure -a""
16:20<eightyeight>maybe i just run that globally anyway
16:20<peter1138>yes, it won't do anything if everything is fine
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16:21<dutchfish>eightyeight, well, i only use dry runs, i don't like surpises by automated updates/upgrades
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16:21<eightyeight>i just want a list of hosts
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16:21<eightyeight>but the flood of output from aptitude(8) is immense, even when using '-q'
16:21<peter1138>i'll figure puppet out on of these days :S
16:21<eightyeight>with hundreds of systems, it makes it unbearable, and scrollback is lost
16:21<dutchfish>eightyeight, well, my scripts just report for each and every host, at least i have some info along what went wrong, and simple yes or no won't cut it
16:21<eightyeight>i guess i could run it with script(1)
16:22<eightyeight>i'll figure out what is run
16:22<eightyeight>i want: "server1: healthy|unhealthy"
16:22<eightyeight>basically
16:22*eightyeight keeps hacking
16:22*dutchfish rest his case
16:24<dutchfish>also, debsums saved my xxx (bad word) on many occasions, i run that in offtime
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16:30<rsmith>Could someone verify a weird error in iceweasel (latest in Jessie)?
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16:30<rsmith>I get a segfault whenever I do a Google search for "shill" (without quotes)
16:30<dutchfish>rsmith, have asked #debian-next ?
16:31<rsmith>Other search terms work fine.
16:31<rsmith>OK, thanks, I'll ask there.
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16:36<grummund>Hi, sorry this must have been asked a gazillion times already... will squeeze be patched for the current bash vulnerability?
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16:37<centrx>!squeeze-lts
16:37<dpkg>Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
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16:37<mono>hello there, when I want to install latest apt updates and the bash update for debian 7.6, apt tells me that none of the packages can be authenticated, is that OK?
16:37<centrx>mono, what does your sources.list look like?
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16:40<mono>centrx: http://pastebin.com/LCt1H5jf
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16:54<mono>centrix, the sources.list look okay, doesn't it?
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16:54<viskee>did you run apt-get update first mono
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16:55<valdyn>mono: having line 20 already you can remove line 24
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17:03<mono>viskee: ok, thanks, apt-update had stalled an so I just tried apt-get install apt .... right now apt-get update works without stalling, that will probably fix it, thanks for your help!
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17:21<mono>now it works fine, byby
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17:40<babilen>fyi: a new bash package just hit security, get it while its hot
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17:55<centrx>https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2014/msg00223.html
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19:02<grummund>Does "update-rc.d ssh disable" remain effective after if the package containing sshd is upgraded?
19:02<lokigr>is there any way to take a list of packages that are included in a base bone system instalation?
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19:09<FakeBoost>Hello , how do I update bash packages?
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19:09<Brigo>FakeBoost, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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19:10<FakeBoost>mm, I just found how to only update bash
19:10<FakeBoost>thank you
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19:13<porkoff>grummund: it should
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19:25<FakeBoost>I hope all of you know of the bash security issue...
19:26<centrx>THE WHAT!?
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19:29<FakeBoost>the security issue in BASH very very dangerous
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19:30<Brigo>FakeBoost, already patched :)
19:30<FakeBoost>sure? have you ran the test?
19:31<FakeBoost>env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test"
19:31<FakeBoost>People, run that in your console, if it outputs vulnerable, ...patch it fast
19:32<viskee>is that heartbleed
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19:34<Brigo>FakeBoost, yes i did it, and this was patched yesterday. There is another more,today not fixed by the yesteday's patch.
19:34<FakeBoost>which one??
19:35<Brigo>you was talking about CVE-2014-6271, we about CVE-2014-7169
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19:35<FakeBoost>oh ok
19:35<Brigo>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/bash
19:35<FakeBoost>thanks
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19:36<Brigo>FakeBoost, you are wellcome :)
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19:37<FakeBoost>Do you know how to test if I'm vulnerable to it?
19:37<Brigo>FakeBoost, may be this: cd /tmp; env X='() { (a)=>\' bash -c "echo date"; cat echo; rm echo
19:38<FakeBoost>And what is supposed to be the output?
19:38<Brigo>if it prints the date you are vulnerable. But if you use wheezy and have upgraded today.
19:38<Brigo>you should have not be vulnerable.
19:39<FakeBoost>but you said there wasn't any patch for it
19:39<Brigo>no, i said it is not the same patch.
19:40<grummund>squeeze isn't patched yet
19:40<Brigo>the patch is from today
19:40<FakeBoost>so, how do i patch it?
19:40<Brigo>grummund, yes, only wheezy at this time.
19:40<Brigo>FakeBoost, are you with wheezy?
19:40<FakeBoost>yes
19:40<Brigo>apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
19:40<FakeBoost>ok
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19:42<grummund>on which mailing list are squeeze security updates announced - debian-security-announce? or another?
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19:45<themill>!squeeze-lts
19:45<dpkg>Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
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19:57<Aldebaran>I shall have some additional services when registering on facebook if I use an email account Microsoft?
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19:57<themill>Wrong channel by a long way?
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21:10<dmbaturin>Hi! When I 'apt-get source' a package, it lacks changes available in its binary counterpart from updates. How do I obtain the most recent source package?
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21:11<sney>make sure you have a deb-src line for security.debian.org maybe?
21:12<dmbaturin>I think I do have it, but let me check carefully.
21:12<dmbaturin>deb-src http://security.debian.org/ squeeze/updates main
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21:14<dualbus>dmbaturin: if you're refering to the bash package, it does have all the patches
21:15<dmbaturin>dualbus: 4.1.3+deb6u1 ?
21:16<dualbus>dmbaturin: ah, you're not using stable?
21:16<dualbus>stable: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3
21:16<dmbaturin>No, system in question is squeeze.
21:16<dvs>isn't security updates over for squeeze?
21:17<dmbaturin>Well, a bash update for the original shellshock was releases yesterday.
21:17<centrx>!squeeze-lts
21:17<dpkg>Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
21:17<dvs>ah
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21:25<dmbaturin>centrx: Do you know why updated bash is not yet in squeeze-lts? No one did it yet, or there are reasons?
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21:27<dmbaturin>I've successfully applied the patch to 4.1 source and tested it, works fine. Perhaps there's something I can do help get it in squeeze?
21:27<Cpuroast>dmbaturin: it did get updated in lts
21:27<Cpuroast>there was a bash update to lts
21:28<dmbaturin>Hhm, let me see.
21:28<themill>these things take a while to propagate around the mirror network
21:28<dmbaturin>I haven't seen it there when I checked a couple of hours ago.
21:28<dmbaturin>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-7169
21:29<dmbaturin>6u2, let me check.
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21:30<centrx>dmbaturin, https://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bash.html
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21:31<centrx>dmbaturin, So the first fix is in squeeze-lts since yesterday
21:31<centrx>dmbaturin, The second fix may still be propagating to mirrors
21:31<dmbaturin>Yeah, I mean the second one.
21:31<centrx>dmbaturin, Is your sources.list pointed to http.debian.net for squeeze-lts ?
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21:33<dmbaturin>centrx: Yep, only 6u1 there now.
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21:49<dark-jedi>dmbaturin: I just downloaded 7u3 from squeeze-lts. Check again.
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21:52<Cpuroast>dark-jedi: 6u2 from lts
21:53<Cpuroast>7u3 from stable
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21:54<mig5>anyone know why bash 4.1-3+deb6u2 is not yet in the squeeze-lts repositories despite the DLA? just not synced out or something?
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21:54<mig5>still seeing deb6u1
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21:54<Cpuroast>yah same here
21:54<Cpuroast>also 4.3-9.2 hasn't landed on unstable yet
21:54<Cpuroast>:)
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21:55<dmbaturin>dark-jedi: Which mirror?
22:00<Cpuroast>6u2 and 9.2 have been accepted
22:00<Cpuroast>https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/bash
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22:00<Cpuroast>I assume it's simply propagation at this point
22:01<mig5>presumably no other way to manually fetch the .deb I guess.. will have to be patient :)
22:03<dark-jedi>dmbaturin: One sec, let me pull up my sources list
22:04<Cpuroast>considering I use
22:04<Cpuroast>deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
22:04<Cpuroast>for lts
22:04<dark-jedi>dmbaturin: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian squeeze-lts main contrib non-free
22:04<Cpuroast>I would have assume the package would have shown up 1st there
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22:05<dark-jedi>Cpuroast: Ironically, http://http.debian.net/debian/ seems to have 7u1 available, but not 7u3.
22:05<Cpuroast>lol
22:06<dmbaturin>dark-jedi: 7u3? 7, not 6?
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22:06<dmbaturin>Anyway, there's no 7u3 either. :)
22:06<sney>,v bash
22:06<judd>Package: bash on i386 -- squeeze: 4.1-3; squeeze-security-lts: 4.1-3+deb6u1; wheezy: 4.2+dfsg-0.1; wheezy-proposed-updates: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3; jessie: 4.3-9.1; sid: 4.3-9.1
22:07<dmbaturin>dark-jedi: Out of curiosity, could you apt-get source it from there?
22:07<sney>6u1 is what you've got for now
22:07<dark-jedi>4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3 (/var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_wheezy_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages)
22:07<sney>wheezy
22:07<dark-jedi>Nope
22:07<dmbaturin>Wheezy!
22:08<Cpuroast>dark-jedi: I just altered my source list to ftp.us
22:08<Cpuroast>no 6u2
22:08<Cpuroast>:(
22:09<dark-jedi>4.3 in sid? Hmm, maybe I'll compile that one later.
22:09<sney>since the judd bot only sees 6u1, that's as new as the repos have currently. if you know 6u2 is imminent then it'll be in the archive soon, probably <24 hours
22:09<Cpuroast>4.3-9.2 is the fixed one in sid
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22:10<Cpuroast>dark-jedi: as seen here: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-7169
22:12<dark-jedi>4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3 is fixed, and 4.3 is vulnerable. LOL! Guess I won't compile that after all.
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22:12<Cpuroast>indeed
22:13<Cpuroast>surprised critical fixes like these take this long
22:13<Cpuroast>to replicate
22:13<Cpuroast>I mean it was quick for stable
22:13<Cpuroast>but for lts and sid
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22:21<shortspider>Cpuroast: stable is kind of the important one no? Hopefully no one is running a production server on testing or sid
22:21<Cpuroast>it is
22:22<Cpuroast>I know some do
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22:22<Cpuroast>and yah u3 was released from security.debian.org
22:22<Cpuroast>which explain it's speed
22:22<Cpuroast>of release
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22:23<centrx>ah that does explain it
22:23<Cpuroast>all the mirrors still have u1
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22:25<Cpuroast>well, good think all my servers are on stable except 1 centos 6
22:25<Cpuroast>which hasn't patched the 2nd vuln
22:25<centrx>Is CentOS any good?
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22:25<Cpuroast>I don't like it
22:25<Cpuroast>compared to deb
22:25<centrx>of course, of course!
22:25<Cpuroast>I'm eventually going to migrate it to dev
22:25<Cpuroast>deb
22:26<Cpuroast>I had 2 others which I've already migrated
22:26<Cpuroast>so I'm down to 1
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22:28<dmbaturin>centrx: I'm not sure if I should say it here, but yes, it's good. ;)
22:29<Cpuroast>it's ok
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22:29<Cpuroast>but I don't like how different it is from our nearly debian only fleet
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22:31<centrx>Agreed, Captain
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22:38<shortspider>what's better about CentOS?
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22:41<Cpuroast>shortspider: as far as I'm concerned, nothing
22:41<Cpuroast>other would disagree
22:42<shortspider>Cpuroast: what didn't you like about it?
22:42<godfrey>It seems dash also have the bash bug, isn't it?
22:42<Cpuroast>don't get me wrong, I can deal with it
22:42<centrx>godfrey, nope?
22:42<Cpuroast>shortspider: it's just "strange"
22:43*Cpuroast hugs apt
22:43<Cpuroast>yum is just odd
22:43<Cpuroast>and having a gazillion kernel versions to deal with
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22:43<centrx>RPM has always been a few steps behind apt
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22:43<Cpuroast>yah
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22:46<godfrey>run --> env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable' bash -c "echo this is a test" <-- under dash, just get vulnerable
22:46<godfrey>or get bash warning if bash updated
22:48<centrx>godfrey, It doesn't say "vulnerable", it only says "this is a test"
22:48<godfrey>I miss-understand , sorry...
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22:49<centrx>godfrey, yeah Debian uses dash for system shell so that is good
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