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---Logopened Fri Sep 26 00:00:26 2014
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00:27<douglass>dumb noob question, but how bad an idea is it to comment out the entries for stable in sources.list when upgrading to testing?
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00:31<sney>douglass: it's a required step
00:31<sney>rather, the stable entries are usually deleted or renamed
00:32<douglass>hmm
00:32<douglass>OK
00:32<douglass>so that is probably not where things went dreadfully wrong then
00:32<douglass>that is good to know
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00:34<sney>this is a support channel, so if something went dreadfully wrong and you don't know what it was, this is the place to ask
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00:37<douglass>so, I did that and then I ran sudo apt-get install chromedriver
00:37<douglass>and it installed a loooot of things and also uninstalled some things including gnome
00:38<douglass>and then i tried to reinstall gnome but it said dependencies including gnome-core wouldn't be installed, and similarly for gnome-core and gnome-calculator
00:38<jm_>so you are not using debian stable?
00:38<douglass>so i installed gnome-calculator and then it let me install gnome-core and then gnome
00:38<douglass>I think I am not anymore
00:38<douglass>I am not totally sure
00:39<douglass>and anyway now I can't mount USB devices and gnome crashes within a minute of starting
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00:39<douglass>and I can reinstall and that would be fine but I want to know what I
00:39<douglass>'m doing wrong
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00:40<jm_>don't mix testing/unstable with stable would be my guess
00:42<douglass>hmm
00:42<douglass>when I read about how to install testing the advice I saw was to use a stable iso and then upgrade
00:42<douglass>is this not recommended anymore?
00:42<douglass>or is there a specific procedure for doing this?
00:43<douglass>or possibly the package chromedriver is just evil?
00:43<jm_>yes, that would be fine
00:43<jm_>!stable->testing
00:43<jm_>dpkg, stable->testing
00:43<jm_>bleh
00:43<jm_>dpkg, stable->testing
00:43<dpkg>First, understand that testing is a pre-release distribution without timely security support and that you will have a bumpy ride; ask me about <moving target> <testing> <testing security>. From /etc/apt/sources.list, remove stable-specific lines like wheezy-updates and backports, and change wheezy to jessie. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. Consider running <tum> at this point in the release cycle.
00:44<jm_>also, support for testing/unstable is in #debian-next
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00:45<douglass>I am thinking I should just switch to a Mac for this :( :(
00:46<sney>testing, as the name suggests, is not ready for release yet
00:46<sney>so sometimes things are broken
00:46<sney>this is normal, but you should also report bugs you find
00:46<douglass>yes
00:46<douglass>if I get a better idea what went wrong I will do so
00:47<douglass>anyway
00:47<douglass>thanks
00:48<jm_>were you using testing already before installing chromedriver?
00:48<douglass>no
00:49<jm_>right so that was it
00:49<douglass>I changed sources.list and then tried to install chromedriver
00:49<jm_>don't mix stable with it like that
00:49<douglass>ok
00:49<rjsalts>douglass: after changing sources.list, and then running apt-get update you should run apt-get dist-upgrade
00:50<rjsalts>douglass: which will move all packages to the version in testing, and hopefully have a solution that all/most of your packages can be coinstalled
00:50<douglass>for some reason i thought the order shouldn't matter and if i dist-upgraded later it would be fine
00:50<douglass>but i am not going to do that again!
00:50<rjsalts>douglass: sometimes it is fine, depends on what solution apt comes up with to install your package
00:50<jm_>douglass: ask dpkg about the various "mixing" factoids it has -- /msg dpkg listkeys mixing
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00:51<rjsalts>douglass: but it's risky and sometimes you end up uninstalling great swathes of your OS, as happened with you
00:53<douglass>for the short term: is there a small number of packages I could install that would let it auto-mount usb devices as before?
00:54<rjsalts>douglass: finish the apt-get dist-upgrade if you haven't already
00:54<rjsalts>douglass: then rerun tasksel and reselect your gnome desktop, or whatever you selected in your wheezy install
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00:56<rjsalts>I figured out what I was doing wrong with openbsd-inetd. I needed to add the -l option for it to use /etc/hosts.(allow|deny)
00:56<douglass>will do! g2g then, only have one network cable
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01:39<Celelibi>In which man is hidden the semantics of the access permission on directories?
01:40<Celelibi>Once upon a time, it was in the man chmod.
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01:43<jm_>Celelibi: what exactly are you looking for?
01:44<Celelibi>The semantics of rwxs on directories.
01:44<jm_>info coreutils -> File permissions
01:46<Celelibi>Thanks.
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01:47<jm_>no problem
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04:13<albertoo>hi, I have problem with bash upgrade on squeeze version, after upgrade i get this trying to overwrite '/bin/sh', which is also in package dash 0.5.5.1-7.4, can anybody help?
04:15<maxb>albertoo: What does 'dpkg-divert --list /bin/sh' display?
04:16<albertoo>maxb: nothing
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04:19<maxb>albertoo: I think your system is in a bit of a weird state. Run 'dpkg-reconfigure dash' and answer the question (leaving the answer on the one which is preselected, probably), and I think that will put back the missing diversion metadata
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04:24<albertoo>maxb: nothing changed
04:24<jm_>they fixed this properly in wheezy :)
04:25<albertoo>jm_: i know, but i try do this on squeeze
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04:25<jm_>albertoo: if it was my i'd just use --force to install new bash
04:25<jm_>me even
04:25<maxb>albertoo: Hmm. I guess we need to investigate more closely how your system is set up
04:25<maxb>jm_: Your way is messy and just defers more pain for later :-/
04:26<maxb>albertoo: When you did the dpkg-reconfigure, is Yes or No selected?
04:26<maxb>Is /bin/sh a file or a symlink?
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04:26<albertoo>maxb: i tried both
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04:27<maxb>And, what is the md5sum of /bin/sh ?
04:27<maxb>And does 'dpkg-divert --list /bin/sh' still not show anything
04:28<albertoo>maxb: /bin/sh is symlink
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04:28<maxb>to?
04:28<albertoo>bash
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04:29<absynth__>g'day everyone. can someone confirm that bash 4.1-3+deb6u2 under wheezy amd64 does _not_ fix shellshock (addendum by taviso)?
04:30<jm_>absynth__: why do you think u3 was released?
04:30<absynth__>mh, my mirror doesn't seem to have it yet, checking
04:30<jm_>it's on security mirrors, see https://www.debian.org/security/2014/dsa-3035
04:30<absynth__>OK, refining my question
04:30<absynth__>4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3
04:30<absynth__>this is the latest version in wheezy, correct?
04:31<jm_>yes
04:31<absynth__>~$ env var='() {(a)=>\' bash -c "echo date"; cat echo
04:31<absynth__>date
04:31<absynth__>Fr 26. Sep 09:54:32 CEST 2014
04:32<absynth__>i also tried with an absolute path to prevent any weird precedence issues, but same result
04:32<absynth__>this is a wheezy amd64 box
04:33<absynth__>i have no idea why it still works, and it doesn't for some other boxes of mine
04:34<jm_>what does dpkg -s bash show?
04:34<jm_>for version
04:34<maxb>albertoo: Hmm... I think 'dpkg-divert --package bash --divert /bin/sh.distrib --add /bin/sh; dpkg-divert --package bash --divert /usr/share/man/man1/sh.distrib.1.gz --add /usr/share/man/man1/sh.1.gz' should manually put things back in a normal state
04:34<absynth__>Version: 4.2+dfsg-0.1+deb7u3
04:35<jm_>no idea, maybe it's related to shell settings?
04:35<jm_>for me it doesn't work, but then again, i don't use bash
04:36<jm_>and you are sure this is a new copy of bash running?
04:36<albertoo>maxb: great, it works
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04:37<albertoo>max: thank You
04:37<absynth__>jm_: logged out and in, what more can one do?
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04:38<maxb>albertoo: I wrote the command that way because you said /bin/sh was currently pointing to bash, but it's more usual for /bin/sh on a Debian box to be dash these days. You might like to try to the 'dpkg-reconfigure dash' again and switch it back to Yes
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04:38<jm_>absynth__: hmm maybe compare shopt output or somesuch
04:39<maxb>albertoo: (In case you don't know the background, dash = small stripped down optimized for running scripts; bash = fully featured shell with lots of interactive-focussed features)
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04:41<jm_>hmm i tried this on an outdated lenny system and i get the same result there too
04:42<jm_>uhm squeeze, not lenny
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04:43<jm_>ok it works there if bash is a login shell as opposed to me starting it from my login shell
04:43<absynth__>yeah
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04:43<absynth__>if i su - and try it as root, it doesn't work
04:43<jm_>so definitely env influence it seems
04:43<absynth__>if i try after sshing in, it reliably works
04:44<absynth__>well, shouldn't it work in neither case?
04:44<absynth__>argh, tied myself up in negations
04:45<jm_>yeah it behaves properly for me on wheezy box, this is just testing it on squeeze to see what it would do
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04:46<jm_>and you are sure /proc/<PID>/cwd points to /bin/bash?
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04:47<absynth__>yep
04:47<absynth__>lrwxrwxrwx 1 absynth absynth 0 Sep 26 10:47 exe -> /bin/bash
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04:49<absynth__>do you have an amd64 box, jm_?
04:49<absynth__>(wheezy)
04:50<jm_>absynth__: yeah, it's wheezy amd64
04:50<absynth__>can you please paste md5 /bin/bash ?
04:51<jm_>absynth__: it's the same as in /var/lib/dpkg/info/bash.md5sums, 144968564a6b1159ed82059920cea76f
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04:51<terminator>babilen: is there any live image for booting from cd?
04:51<absynth__>i have the same md5
04:52<terminator>I couldnt find one
04:52<absynth__>ah. i found the problem
04:52<absynth__>it's really easy, but misleading
04:52<absynth__>of course the file "echo" is never deleted by the usual one-line test
04:52<jm_>terminator: debian live images are bootable from a cd
04:53<terminator>No kbsd version
04:54<jm_>yeah no such thing for debian kbsd
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04:54<peter1138>absynth__, heh, yeah, it's not obvious that a file is written
04:55<jm_>but u3 doesn't write a file for me, so this is a problem only if one tested the same command previously with u2 or what?
04:56<terminator>www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/
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04:56<jm_>terminator: yeah I meant there's no live image for kbsd
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04:57<terminator>So is there any live image boot option?
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04:57<babilen>no
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04:58<terminator>So i have to install it?
04:58*babilen won't force you
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05:02<terminator>Ok so no option for live cd alright.
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07:31<eclectist>Mornin' folks - has shellshock CVE 7169 been patched in jessie yet?
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07:32<peter1138>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2014-7169
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07:32<eclectist>ah - thanks.
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07:49<AnpuIzgubioPass>hi, is there some kind of API on https://security-tracker.debian.org that can be used to query status of CVE for Debian version (oldstable, stable..)?
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08:44<ravori>hi all, I been struggling to set up a OpenVPN connection for days, Now I think I have a connection but my modem do not use the connection
08:45<ravori>do I need to point the modem to the VPN somehow ?
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09:12<bremner>so, I'm upgrading a squeeze system to wheezy (yes, I'm a bad person). The thing is running in a xen vps and I can't quite figure out what's going with the kernel. There seems to be no normal kernel package installed. Should just install one?
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09:18<Cpuroast>bremner: if I recall, squeeze on xen required a special xen-aware kernel
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09:18<Cpuroast>bremner: wheezy should not
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09:18<bremner>yeah, that's what it says on the wiki.
09:18<Cpuroast>as xen has been in mainline kernel
09:18<Cpuroast>for some time now
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09:18<Cpuroast>so when the upgrade to wheezy happens and kernel 3.2 is installed
09:19<Cpuroast>xen's paravirt will be supported
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09:19<bremner>but that's the point, the upgrade to wheezy doesn't install a kernel
09:19<Cpuroast>it does
09:19<musca>!lts
09:19<dpkg>Volunteer-provided security support for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" will continue until 2016-02-06 for a limited set of packages for i386 and amd64. An appropriate line for your sources.list is «deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ squeeze-lts main». See also the «check-support-status» command from the debian-security-support package and https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information. #debian-lts on irc.oftc.net.
09:19<Cpuroast>squeeze is on 2.6
09:19<Cpuroast>wheezy is on 3.2
09:19<bremner>Cpuroast: I just did the upgrade. In my case, it did not install a kernel.
09:20<Cpuroast>did you do, ap-get upgrade and then apt-get dist-upgrade
09:20<Cpuroast>>
09:20<Cpuroast>?
09:20<bremner>yes.
09:20<Cpuroast>it does install a kernel
09:20<Cpuroast>I've done it before
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09:20<Cpuroast>look in /boot
09:20<bremner>have you done it on a xen host?
09:20<Cpuroast>you'll see 2.6 and 3.2
09:20<bremner>no
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09:21<Cpuroast>bremner: regardless of xen
09:21<Cpuroast>it could be a VM or a physical machine
09:21<Cpuroast>wheezy brings over the 3.2 kernel
09:21<bremner>Cpuroast: do you have a concrete suggestion?
09:22<Cpuroast>I assume you followed: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html
09:22<Cpuroast>you changed your apt sources
09:22<Cpuroast>then apt-get update
09:22<Cpuroast>then apt-get upgrade
09:23<bremner>well, actually that is usefull. I was about to do 4.6, and now that I read it, I see it's the right thing to do.
09:23<Cpuroast>then apt-get dist-upgrade
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09:23<Cpuroast>This package may be installed automatically by the dist-upgrade process.
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09:24<Cpuroast>it's possible in your case it wasn't
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09:31<bremner>well, that was pretty unhelpful. The new kernel isn't used because of something special about the xen boot process.
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09:32<bremner>time to talk to VPS provider, methinks.
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09:34<ansgar>bremner: Xen often takes a kernel from outside your VM.
09:35<bremner>ansgar: yeah. There is a copy in /boot, fwiw.
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09:41<Admin>hola alguine por aqui
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09:41<Admin>¿
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09:43<bremner>!es
09:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
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11:18<Beeblebrox-BSD>Hi. I have a netwok Q re deb-jessie. I want eth0 to get IP from DHCP, but I need to hard-code gateway info to /etc/network/interfaces. Why does this not worK: {auto eth0 \ iface eth0 inet dhcp \ gateway 192.168.56.1}
11:18<Beeblebrox-BSD>The result is there is no connectivity. IP gets assigned, but traffic is unable to leave the 255.255.255.240 sub-net.
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11:21<Uss>hi
11:22<Uss>my partition is 90% full of uncompressed images, is there a way to compress with a command and delete the compressed image in the same time ?
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11:26<duclicsic>Uss: do you want to compress them all and leave them as individual compressed files? or bundle them all up into one?
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11:27<duclicsic>also if they're in a lossy format you may find compressing them dosn't gain you much space, if any at all
11:28<Uss>duclicsic, all in one 7z file
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11:32<duclicsic>Uss: then you'll have to script it I'd guess. something like: for IMAGE in *.jpg; do 7z a archive.7z $IMAGE; rm $IMAGE; done
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11:32<duclicsic>assuming they are all in one directory and are all .jpog
11:32<duclicsic>jpg*
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11:33<duclicsic>don't just paste that in verbatim of course, test first
11:33<Uss>i see
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11:34<Uss>i'll try this, thanks duclicsic
11:34<duclicsic>that does absolutely no checking though, so if for whatever reason it fails to add the image to the archive it will still delete it
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11:34<duclicsic>in other words, be careful :)
11:35<Beeblebrox-BSD>"netstat -rn" shows 2 entries with Dest / Gateway / Genmask as: (169.254.0.0 / 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0) \ (192.168.56.0. / 0.0.0.0 / 255.255.255.240). It's only when I run "route add default gw 192.168.56.1" that gateway even shows up (0.0.0.0 / 192.168.56.1 / 0.0.0.0) - even then, there's no outbound route.
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11:38<Beeblebrox-BSD>OK - I seemed to have corrected the non-outbound traffic problem somehow. So the question is, why is gateway in network/interfaces not persistent across boots?
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11:54<wompa>Beeblebrox-BSD, gateway doesn't appear under dhcp-option in the interfaces man page. So I don't think it works? You can add commands that should be used with the interface: pre-up, up and post-up (and respective for down).
11:56<Beeblebrox-BSD>wompa: I'll look through the man page. I got gateway from https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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11:59<wompa>Only the static examples there have a gateway option.
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12:00<wompa>Beeblebrox-BSD, if you are admin of the dhcp server you can statically allocate an ip and ip for gateway for that host
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12:02<Beeblebrox-BSD>wompa: gateway also is in the man page, but does not specify static/dhcp. So, asuminng that gateway does not work with dhcp-assigned, can you give an idea re pre-up, up, etc?
12:02<Beeblebrox-BSD>wompa: dhcp-server does not have gw/dns server assign ability
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12:04<wompa>Beeblebrox-BSD, it's divided in sections, like static method and dhcp method and as you can see the option metric is under both, but gateway is only in the static section.
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12:06<wompa>I guess up or post-up could be your example, like this: up route add default gw 192.168.56.1
12:06<Beeblebrox-BSD>wompa: I was just about to write "so what do I do with dhcp-assigned? Can you give a simple example please?"
12:06<wompa>and then maybe have a down del ...
12:06<Beeblebrox-BSD>That's perfect - thank ypo
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12:07<Beeblebrox-BSD>wompa: that' added in network/interfaces, right?
12:07<wompa>yes
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12:08<Beeblebrox-BSD>Thanks man, you've been a lot of help... Bye.
12:08<wompa>I hope it works ;)
12:08<ecenk>hi :)
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12:09<ecenk>please tech me :)
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12:28<tracphil>anyone here running selinux on Debian?
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12:29<jim>identify
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12:34<mvd>tracphil: I'm not, but have been thinking about it lately; the wiki has pretty good documentation on it: https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux
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12:38<wompa>tracphil, if you have a problem with selinux why not just ask about it?
12:38<tracphil>wompa: I don't have a problem with selinux. I use it on RHEL platforms, but was curious how well my knowledge of it on RHEL would transfer to Debian.
12:39<tracphil>Thus my reason for asking if anyone here used it.
12:40<mvd>from what I can tell the main difference is setup
12:40<mvd>at least, if RHEL is like fedora and enables it by default
12:41<tracphil>mvd: yeah, reading through the link you sent me. I use xfs so I thought that might be a killer off the bat, but that seems to not be an issue any longer.
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13:39<Marco_>hey guys, I downloaded the live version of Debain wheezy, but when I try to install it, during the Disk Search section it only identified the USB stick, and not the main hard drive
13:40<Marco_>any specific reason?
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13:54<d3nny>Marco_: is your harddrive available?
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13:55<d3nny>Marco_: you can check this for example with "fdisk /dev/sda" or "fdisk /dev/sdb"
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13:59<teward>how long does it typically take from upload to published for a new package version
13:59<teward>(in the repositories)
14:00<d3nny>teward: depends on who uploaded it ;)
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14:08<TobiX>teward: One mirror pulse in unstable, as fast as possible in security... (IIRC)
14:08<TobiX>teward: Which package are you waiting for?
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14:09<teward>TobiX: nginx 1.6.2-2 which got uploaded to unstable today. I wasn't aware there's a delay in the packaging publishing for non-security...
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14:12<plugwash>anyone else getting messages from cron with subject Cron <root@P10Link> [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean /var/lib/php5 $(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) and content find: invalid argument `-delete' to `-cmin' after a recent update?
14:12<TobiX>dpkg: tell teward about dinstall
14:13<TobiX>teward: In ye olde days we got new packages in unstable only once a day!
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14:15<TobiX>plugwash: That looks like a misconfiguration on your end...
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14:16<TobiX>plugwash: Does running /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime yield a value?
14:17<plugwash>no
14:17*plugwash has found a bug report about it which he is reading now
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14:18<TobiX>Seems like a bug, that script does serious black magic. Installing php5-cli will probably fix it...
14:18<plugwash>php5-cli is already installed
14:19<plugwash>looks like there is already a bug report which i'm reading now
14:22<plugwash>It seems the immediate soloution is to remove a deprecated directive from php.ini but security updates really shouldn't be breaking shit like this
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14:57<wibble>man xset
14:57<wibble>:>
14:58<wibble>ignore that
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15:29<SnShines>http://suryatejacheedella.wordpress.com/
15:30<SnShines>http://suryatejacheedella.wordpress.com/
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15:48<dtcrshr>hello everyone! after a forced reboot, one debian box wont boot anymore, lvm keeps asking the password. If I type anything it claims the password is wrong, but even with the right one it drops up to initramfs
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15:51<bremner>dtcrshr: are you sure that's lvm? sounds more like cryptsetup
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15:52<dtcrshr>bremner: yes, the failyre shows cryptsetup - failed password or options
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15:55<bremner>dtcrshr: so you understand it's asking for a passphrase to decrypt the volume, not the root password or something like that?
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16:06<brapolde11100>Hi
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16:07<brapolde11100>hi
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16:19<antonio>Hi
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16:43<rn>hi
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16:43<rn>i m trying to install my analog tv tuner
16:43<rn>but i didn't configure correctly
16:43<rn>how do i fix?
16:44<rn>Liveview Flytv Prime Spo
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17:20<basheba>whatever happened to debian/ubuntu?
17:20<basheba>just debian now?
17:21<operator9>8====D icks
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18:13<integfred>Hi. does anyone know if icedove adds some usenet newsservers automatically?
18:14<integfred>Because I have a few, and can't think where they came from. I didn't add them myself.
18:15<integfred>Maybe they appeared when I updated?
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20:24<Triton_>will the http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ debian windows installer work with windows7 64 bit?
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20:26<sney>Triton_: should
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20:28<Triton_>cuase it just reboots my computer
20:28<Triton_>should i try it with fat32 and not ntfs?
20:28<Triton_>i mean it installs
20:28<sney>it's supposed to add an entry to the windows bootloader, which is basically the same in windows 7 as it has been for the last bunch of windows versions
20:29<Triton_>but when i go to the install section in the bottloader it just reboots
20:29<sney>I don't know offhand if it's secure boot or efi compatible though
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20:46<Triton_>wheen i boot with the windows loader from http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ , i reboot select install debian or something and it gives me this error no g2ldr, any suggestions?
20:47<Triton_>oh yeah and it reboots
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20:55<Triton_>did anyone awnser my question?
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21:00<antonio>could you repeat your question Triton_ ??
21:01<Triton_>sure
21:02<Triton_>i used the windows installer for debian at http://goodbye-microsoft.com/, and a rebooted selected to install debian and the machine just reboots. i can still load windows 7 though.
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21:05<Triton_>any ideas?
21:05<Triton_>im runnung win 7 64bit
21:07<antonio>humm... I didn't know this debian installer existed... but according to de docs, it runs the debian installer on windows and i understand that you installed debian from windows using that installer, am I right??
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21:08<antonio>you should have been promped to the debian installer... did you??
21:08<Triton_>it has the option when i reboot to load the installer
21:09<Triton_>yes
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21:09<Triton_>but when i select the debian isntaller upon reboot it just reboots
21:10<antonio>humm.... did you run again the installer from windows??
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21:11<Triton_>yes
21:11<Triton_>many times
21:12<antonio>and why don't you use the netinstall available from debian's home page??
21:12<Triton_>i dont have cd's
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21:12<antonio>Sorry I cannot help you with that, but may be I can help you using the iso from debian
21:13<Triton_>i can use the iso's
21:13<antonio>do you have an USB pen drive??
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21:13<Triton_>what if i extact the netinstall iso to windows and run the setup?
21:13<Triton_>no i dont , sorry
21:13<antonio>you can load debian from a usb memory
21:13<Triton_>?
21:14<Triton_>what do u mean?
21:14<antonio>wait a second pleas
21:15<Triton_>ok thanxs
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21:18<antonio>I'm back
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21:18<Triton_>k
21:18<antonio>so, if you have an USB memory stick you can install debian.
21:19<Triton_>i donthave a usb stick :(
21:19<Triton_>you talking create a usb in memory?
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21:21<antonio>well, back to the windows installer, is there an option to run the installer on windows, or just the option to run it at reboot??
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21:21<antonio>hahaha I don't know if you can do that of creating a usb in memory,.....
21:22<Triton_>you run the installer from windows to create a boot menu to slect and install debian
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21:26<Triton_>what if i creat a bootable parition on my second hardrive thats empty and put the netinstalll on it and go to my bios and slect that drive as the b ootup?
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21:28<antonio>ok, I think I cannot help you, if I where in your situation I also would ask. I'm new at the irc channel as well.....
21:29<Triton_>ok thanxs bro
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21:31<antonio>your wellcome man
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21:33<Triton_>can any one else awnser that question?
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21:50<Triton_>can i configure debian to use my intell 64bit proccesor instead of using amd64?
21:51<Triton_>i mean i install with amd64 but can i select a kernel later that is for intel64 or recompile the kernel with intel 64 bit suppot?
21:51<Triton_>i mean i = i mean can i
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21:52<ncl>Triton_: amd64 is 64bit
21:52<Triton_>yeah but wont it perform better if the kernels running in intel 64bit?
21:53<Triton_>or not?
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21:53<ncl>no, that's just the name, they're both x86_64 the same that i386 (or i686) is x86_32
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21:57<Triton_>ok
21:58<Triton_>thanxs
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22:16<antonio>which is the editor of choice of the debian developer??
22:16<ncl>ed is the standard editor
22:17<martingale>not a debian developer but vim
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22:30<Triton_>anybody familer with the windows debian installler at
22:30<Triton_>http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ that puts a installl debian selection for you to select when your computer boots up?
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22:34<awal>Triton_, you dont need to go to that website. just download a debian image you want and debian installer/grub will do the job
22:35<Triton_>??
22:35<Triton_>weres the debian installer in the iso?
22:36<Triton_>cuase i got debian kde
22:36<Triton_>iso
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22:38<Triton_>cuase i get the error win32 loader ini not found when i do that
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22:39<Triton_>win32-loader.ininot found
22:39<Triton_>win32-loader.ini not found
22:39<awal>have u burned ur debian iso image yet?
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22:40<awal>w7 or w8?
22:41<Triton_>i dont have any cd's
22:41<Triton_>win7
22:42<awal>try to explain your problem from A to Z and people may help you
22:42<awal>...
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22:43<Triton_>i tried the goodbye microsoft way of in stalling debiam, i slected debian installer via the boot menu it just reboots
22:45<Triton_>and i extarcted the contents of debian.kde iso and when i run the installer i get a can not find win32-loader.ini
22:45<Triton_>and i dont have any cd's or dvd's to burn the iso too
22:45<Triton_>can any one help?
22:46<Nemoder>you might verify that the iso is correct or try just the basic net installer image
22:46<Nemoder>but it's a headache to install debian without any other media
22:46<Triton_>can i run the net installl image with out a cd to burn it too?
22:47<Nemoder>if that win32 loader is able to boot it then sure
22:47<Nemoder>there is also unetbootin and win32diskimager but I'm not sure how reliable those are
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22:48<Triton_>ok
22:49<Nemoder>are you trying onto another disk or partition?
22:49<Nemoder>trying to install*
22:49<Triton_>yes
22:49<Triton_>i got to harddrives
22:49<Nemoder>might try this then http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager/
22:49<Triton_>one with windows7 on it and the other i want to install debian
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22:51<Triton_>what do i do with that program ??
22:52<Nemoder>i thought perhaps it could write an image to the other drive but maybe it really only works with flash drives
22:53<retrospectacus>!ig
22:53<dpkg>The Installation Guide for Debian 7 "Wheezy" can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/installmanual . See also <errata>, <release notes>.
22:53<Triton_>k
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23:01<Zyro>does shellshock need to be patched in deb7?
23:02<themill>it has been, yes
23:02<Zyro>so then i just need to run an update?
23:02<Triton_>i just need the file win32-loader.ini
23:03<Triton_>debhelper win32-loader.ini
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23:33<awal>Hi! I just downloaded the unofficial debian image firmware-7.6.0-i386-netinst from debian website but I dont find the md5sum for compare. Anyone can help me for find the md5sum of that image please?
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23:39<plugwash>awal, probablly best asking in #debian-cd
23:39<plugwash>though now is probablly not the best time of day :/
23:40<awal>plugwash, ok. thanks. i'll ask there
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