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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-10-04

---Logopened Sat Oct 04 00:00:27 2014
---Daychanged Sat Oct 04 2014
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00:02<cabbie>patched bash from repository squeeze-lts (bash 4.1-3+deb6u2) seems to fix vulnerability
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00:06<somiaj>correct, it was fixed there, which is what squeeze-lts is for, such things
00:08<cabbie>But can this bug really allow access to one's machine just by being online (i.e. the culprit does not have to access a port and log in remotely)?
00:09<cabbie>via CGI scripts operating behind a webpage for example?
00:10<cabbie>boggles the mind
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00:12<somiaj>More and more systen side stuff is running in dash and not bash on debian, but yes having access to a program running in bash and able to inject a script to modify envvars could be a problem. Might be easy if you can upload a php script to a shared server or what not.
00:13<somiaj>But I guess even if the shell running isn't bash, if bash was on the system and they could run things from that shell they could run bash and then exploit it
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00:16<somiaj>but exploitable bugs sometimes remain hidden for years before they are found or become public. I think more often than not they are found by security audits and not hackers, but I'm sure there have been some exploits hackers have kept seceret until the security audit found them
00:17<cabbie>hmm, just launched dash from bash; then launched bash from that dash, all in the same terminal so yeah...
00:19<cabbie>So now linux too becomes a target for the hackers, was a matter of time?
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00:19<somiaj>it has been for some time, email spammers, porn sites, and the likes love to find vuln servers not being watched on the net
00:20<somiaj>I think email spammers seem to love to get access to clean ip's and servers to help get into inboxes
00:21<cabbie>Still, I'm very impressed by the performance of PortSentry. It has logged and successfully blocked hundreds of probe attacks on my laptop.
00:22<cabbie>And you get to see where they come from.
00:24<somiaj>I just try not to run anything listening on ports on my laptop
00:27<cabbie>I don't know what that would exclude
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00:32<cabbie>I have been getting numerous attempts on TCP port 635, which does not show up in /etc/services
00:33<deadweight>hi, can anyone please help me with an apt-get issue?
00:33<cabbie>Please state the nature of the digital emergency
00:34<deadweight>i'm currently unable to install packages via apt-get because five-or-more is always marked for installation but keeps failing
00:34<deadweight>haha thx
00:35<cabbie>What are the error messages during fail?
00:35<deadweight>dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/five-or-more_1%3a3.14.0-1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
00:35<dpkg>deadweight: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
00:35<deadweight> trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/HighContrast/48x48/apps/five-or-more.png', which is also in package gnome-accessibility-themes 3.12.0-1
00:36<deadweight>pastebin.com/x0RNc7qT
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00:37<Tam5>I wonder how pastebin makes money
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00:40<deadweight>sorry for the link, thought it would be best not to spam the channel
00:41<Tam5>if you are talking to me, I dont care about the link
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00:41<Tam5>I was just wondering how pastebin makes money, how do they get paid
00:42<deadweight>ads?
00:42<Tam5>I did not see any, do you see ads when you go there?
00:43<Tam5>BTW I cant help you with your question sorry. Not sure where dpkg went
00:43<deadweight>no, but i run adblock
00:43<deadweight>so wouldn't know
00:43<deadweight>thanks anyway :)
00:44<Tam5>np...can you reinstall debian?
00:44<deadweight>i would really like to avoid that
00:44<deadweight>i had a very similar problem in a different computer
00:45<deadweight>this happened after i switched from wheezy to jessie
00:45<ectospasm>yeah, ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
00:45<Tam5>I am a beginner so...how about apt-get dist-upgrade?
00:45<deadweight>(change sources.list, replace wheezy w/ debian)
00:45<ectospasm>Just so you know, jessie (and sid) could be horribly broken at any given time
00:45<deadweight>oh ok
00:46<Tam5>What is the version of debian we should be using?
00:46<deadweight>(i needed glibc >2.14, so that is why i had to move to testing/wheezy)
00:46<ectospasm>Unless you're willing to actively file bug reports and help get them ready for release, you should use wheezy (stable)
00:46<cabbie>The answer to that seems to depend partly on your hardware.
00:47<Tam5>Sorry I would be of no help there, although I would I had that ability. I will use wheezy
00:47<deadweight>argh
00:48<Tam5>Do the updates that are failing have anything in common?
00:48<ectospasm>Yeah, I used to run sid, but was constantly fighting packages I needed being broken for months on end. Like XMonad due to the Debian team reworking how GHC and friends worked.
00:48<deadweight>so there are no guarantees that jessie/testing won't have problems at any given time? isn't testing supposed to be stable-ish?
00:48<cabbie>I have just reverted to Squeeze (6.0.2) after trying Wheezy, since my ATI Radeon graphics drivers won't compile under Wheezy's kernel as it no longer supports the older chip in my machine.
00:49<deadweight>(what i don't understand is that i have another machine running jessie as well and it has no problems with apt-get and packages)
00:49<ectospasm>!sns
00:49<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
00:49<ectospasm>If you want to ask dpkg, the bot, type "/msg dpkg <query>"
00:49<ectospasm>Don't spam the channel.
00:49<cabbie>\lol SNS
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00:50<Tam5>dpkg is a bot?
00:50<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, Tam5
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00:50<Tam5>Oh, its a joke ha
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00:51<Tam5>Does most of the code for these linux distros get written by like graduate students, researchers?
00:52<ectospasm>Tam5: not always. They are all volunteers, except for the proprietary distros
00:52<ectospasm>Depends on the distro, really
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00:52<Tam5>How about debian?
00:53<Tam5>debian has a reputation for being very solid and well built
00:53<ectospasm>Volunteers who might also be graduate students, or researchers (or both)
00:53<ectospasm>There may also be folk who get paid to develop Debian, but I don't know of any
00:54<Tam5>I am sure there must be some
00:54<Tam5>that are paid
00:54<cabbie>I've decided to burn a full DVD set for Squeeze, in anticipation of the day they stop supporting it.
00:55<ectospasm>!ot
00:55<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
00:55<Tam5>Fine
00:56<cabbie>my apologies dpkg
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03:04<b14ck>hello
03:04<b14ck>is this a help channel?
03:05<planetmaker>yes
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03:07<b14ck>ok then does anybody know why i keep constantly getting disconnected from my wireless network? this happens in ubuntu and also in mint but not in w7
03:08<b14ck>is there any special setting to my router i need to do?
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03:15<kenyon>!ubuntu
03:15<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
03:15<kenyon>!mint
03:16<kenyon>!mint
03:16<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available, based on <testing>. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
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06:15<xeon>Hey guys can anyone help i cant join a channel
06:16<Ryccardo>what does it say?
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06:16<Ryccardo>. . .
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06:22<xeon> ChanServ removes channel operator status from xeon
06:22<xeon>-ChanServ- Deopped you on channel #openstack-101 because it is registered with channel services
06:22<xeon>-ChanServ- and you are not a CHANOP on its access list.
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06:34<s7r>who can help me understnad something. i have 2 hard disks in debian. sda and sdb. i have created the folder /backup on the first hdd (sda) where the OS is installed. now i formatted sdb as ext4 and mounted it to /backup. when I save a file in /backup on which HDD will it be stored?
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06:35<Ryccardo>on the second one, when it's mounted
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06:42<DNS>somebody knows the distrowatch guys?
06:42<DNS>their page about debian is not up to date
06:42<DNS>the page says theres no mariadb for testing and sid
06:42<DNS>http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian
06:43<DNS>but the pages says its updated today so hm
06:43<DNS>*page
06:45<Snacksicles>hey, a sound-related bug has recently come up on my debian-unstable install (current DE = xfce): sound doesn't appear to work with my headphones (headphones work fine on other systems though), and for some reason when they're plugged in, sound is automatically muted (although even when unmuted, the sound still doesn't work). someone on #debian-bugs said it "sounds very much like pulse-audio vs ALSA(mixer)", before telling me to come he
06:45<Snacksicles>re because I'm a user and #debian-bugs is for developers.
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06:46<Ryccardo>DNS: maybe it just scans the package list for something titled "mariadb"
06:46<s7r>Ryccardo: thank you. so it does not matter the /backup folder was created on the first hdd, when the second one is mounted it will store everything on it
06:46<s7r>correct?
06:47<s7r>can I mount multiple HDD's to the same folder ? e.g. /backup ?
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06:47<Snacksicles>I'm not entirely sure what a "pulse-audio vs ALSA" problem is, although I know what pulse-audio and ALSA are, and I guess it's something about them clashing.
06:48<Brigo>s7r, you can, but not all at the same time.
06:48<Snacksicles>so, what should I do to narrow down what the actual problem is?
06:49<Ryccardo>s7r: for the first -- no problem, in fact it's impossible to do DOS-like mounts where mounted partitions don't appear as subfolders of another drive
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06:49<DNS>Ryccardo: i mailed them
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06:50<s7r>thank you. so 2 hdd cannot be mounted at the same folder simultaneously right ?
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06:50<Brigo>s7r, it has no sense, if you think about.
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07:00<s7r>and when the hdd is listed as sdb it means all the space is in onen partition. unlike sdb1,sdb2 where those are separate partitions?
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07:02<Ryccardo>it means the entire block device
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07:02<Brigo>s7r, not exactly. sdb is the whole disk, yes, but you can not write files to it. If you try it you will erase the partition table an then all the disk.
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07:05<Ryccardo>New stable in the works? (from procps changelog)
07:06<Ganneff>no. we never plan to release, ever.
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07:07<s7r>Brigo: i have done mk.fs /dev/sdb ext4 and mount /dev/sdb /backup - this created a single partition on the hdd i assume?
07:07<Brigo>yes, the sdb1 partition
07:07<Brigo>i guess
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07:07<Ryccardo>s7r: no, you used the entire disk (there's no partition table on it anymore now)
07:08<Brigo>ah, yes.
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07:08<Brigo>i have never done it. I did not know it could be.
07:09<Ryccardo>it's not inherently wrong, but... uncommon (mkfs should have given a warning and you risk overwriting things if you use a partition editor)
07:09<Brigo>and now i undestand some message errors about mounting usb sticks with only one partition ...
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08:19<DNS>the distrowatch guys fixed the mariadb entries for debian :)
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09:01<olspookishmagus>is paste.debian.net or debian.net officialy affiliated with the debian project? should I use it for accompanying a bug report?
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09:02<ompaul>no you should put stuff in the bug report
09:02<Ryccardo>there's no problem with just putting long text in the bug report itself, AFAIK
09:02<ompaul>yes it is part of the project but its not a bug reporting too
09:02<ompaul>tool
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09:06<orglee>hi everyone Im having troubles understanding some bash scripting
09:06<orglee>http://pastebin.com/jFD8R2gK
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09:07<orglee>Im guessing its to parse some incoming arguments
09:07<orglee>but that as far as my guessing goes
09:07<orglee>please direct me to some bash scripting tutorial where something like that could be explained
09:07<petn-randall>orglee: #bash might be able to help.
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09:08<orglee>oh ok thanks
09:08<SynrG>olspookishmagus: as much as possible, bug reports should be self-contained. you don't know if the reader of the report is looking at it offline, or if links in it are expired, etc.
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09:08<SynrG>supplemental info might be linked to (if they have "stable" links, likely to endure over the lifespan of the bug) but the report itself should stand on its own without such linked material.
09:09<olspookishmagus>SynrG: agreed
09:09<olspookishmagus>so the recommended diff format is... ?
09:09<SynrG>and "belonging to the project" has nothing to do with that rule of thumb
09:10<SynrG>unified
09:10<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: 'diff -urN', as an attachment.
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09:11<olspookishmagus>petn-randall, SynrG: perfect thanks
09:12<olspookishmagus>so it's: $ diff -uN OK_file BUGGY_file > foo
09:12<olspookishmagus>and attach that foo?
09:14<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: I'd do it the other way around, but it depends on what you're trying to show. What is the diff for?
09:15<olspookishmagus>it's a gtk accels file that gets broken for some reason, i'm trying to show that with the OK_accels_file things work, but with the BUGGY_file don'to
09:16<olspookishmagus>the other way you mean: diff -uN buggy_file OK_file > foo
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09:18<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: In the end it doesn't matter, as long as you explain from what to what you're diffing.
09:19<olspookishmagus>petn-randall: explain your preference, I'm interested in your POV
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09:21<petn-randall>olspookishmagus: I'd always go from "broken" to "fixed", since that's how you'd send in patches fixing code bugs. In that case it would be buggy_file → OK_file. But then again you're showing that something was ok before, then broke. So there are also arguments for the other way around.
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09:36<steve_>Same java problem
09:40<steve_>Can someone read this and tell me where I'm messing things up ... and how I can fix this?
09:40<steve_>http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/8492868/
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09:41<towo`>stevenm_, E: Malformed line 61 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
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09:41<SynrG>towo`: gone
09:41<Ryccardo>(61 lines of sources?)
09:42<petn-randall>Ryccardo: Probably because Ubuntu has every component with a separate line in the sources.list
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09:42<towo`>SynrG, i should reenable join/quit messages :(
09:42<Ryccardo>petn-randall: Ubuntu was adamant about splitting config in sources.list.d AFAIK
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10:13<wsirc_5081>Hey guys, how do i use the dvd image with an usb?
10:13<wsirc_5081>It just tells me to find the cd-rom driveö
10:13<wsirc_5081>And im using a usb.
10:13<wsirc_5081>What do?
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10:15<wsirc_5081>Uhh, is anyone here?
10:16<Oebele>wsirc_5081: don't expect fast responses on IRC - we're not all staring at our IRC clients all day ;-)
10:16<wsirc_5081>Ok.
10:16<viskee>are you trying to boot to usb? or are you putting the image on the usb?
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10:16<wsirc_5081>The image is already booted, but it goes like
10:16<wsirc_5081>"Hey where is ur cd-rom drive"
10:16<Oebele>just wait until someone (like viskee apparently) who can help you checks his/her client
10:17<ompaul>wsirc_5081: ahh that is usually you should try another usb port
10:17<wsirc_5081>And i dont know what to do as im using a usb. I tried pressing enter but nothing happent.
10:17<wsirc_5081>Should i send a image?
10:17<ompaul>even up to the point of swapping position with other devices (mice etc)
10:17<Oebele>you should try waht ompaul says
10:17<wsirc_5081>Ok
10:17<ompaul>wsirc_5081: ^^^^
10:17<wsirc_5081>Ill do it then
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10:19<wsirc_5081>Nope, same problem. It says, to be exact "No common CD-ROM drive was detected"
10:20<wsirc_5081>Im using a usb so i dont get it!
10:20<ompaul>wsirc_5081: you did all the usb ports?
10:20<wsirc_5081>Yes, only 2 :P
10:20<ompaul>front back side top and bottom
10:20<ompaul>wsirc_5081: what kind of machine is it
10:20<wsirc_5081>*Back and side.
10:20<wsirc_5081>Some shitty laptop.
10:20<wsirc_5081>Image?
10:21<ompaul>no, I have questions
10:21<wsirc_5081>Ok
10:21<ompaul>you went to the bios and told the machine to boot from the usb
10:21<wsirc_5081>Yes
10:21<wsirc_5081>Btw the image im using is debian-7.6.0-i386-DVD-1.iso
10:22<ompaul>that doesn't matter
10:22<wsirc_5081>K
10:22<ompaul>it is useful but not required
10:22<wsirc_5081>I did go to bios
10:22<wsirc_5081>And i set it
10:22<ompaul>the machine you have, in the bios does it have multiple usb types?
10:22<ompaul>also I figure it is a laptop am I right
10:22<wsirc_5081>No, the usb gets recognised as a Harddrive
10:22<wsirc_5081>yes its a laptop
10:22<ompaul>the machine you have, in the bios does it have multiple usb types?
10:23<wsirc_5081>Above
10:23<ompaul>please read the question carefully
10:23<wsirc_5081>No it does not, it takes a usb as a harddrive
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10:23<ompaul>ok I'll find a different way to ask you
10:24<viskee>is the debian installer asking for a CD drive? or the bios? if it's the installer do you think it's asking for the next dvd in the set?
10:24<ompaul>viskee: its the installer
10:25<wsirc_5081>Its at the Detect and mount CD-ROM part
10:25<viskee>i've always used netinst instead of the dvd/cd sets
10:25<ompaul>Only looking at the bios and when you select the booting device
10:25<wsirc_5081>Should i go into bios?
10:25<ompaul>yes
10:25<wsirc_5081>Ok 1 sec
10:25<ompaul>I'm asking about it
10:26<wsirc_5081>K im in
10:26<ompaul>look at the boot order
10:26<viskee>if it's the installer, why does he need to check boot order
10:26<wsirc_5081>On the Boot part there is +hdd (the drive and usb), cd/dvd, fdd and lan.
10:26<ompaul>viskee: because the installer can't find the disk
10:26<ompaul>so this is while it is still depending on the bios
10:26<wsirc_5081>Oh wait, the usb is before the disk
10:26<wsirc_5081>:)
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10:26<ompaul>wsirc_5081: when you look at the usb does it offer different types:?
10:27<wsirc_5081>Uhh, just a headsup, you know im using a usb to install right?
10:27<wsirc_5081>Well i click the hdd thing
10:27<ompaul>wsirc_5081: yes, that is very obvious
10:27<wsirc_5081>and it says "generic flash disk (usb 1.1)" and some hdd
10:27<ompaul>and the flash is higher priority
10:27<ompaul>yes?
10:27<wsirc_5081>Yes.
10:28<ompaul>ok
10:28<ompaul>so the state of the machine should be good but you never know
10:28<wsirc_5081>Boot into installer?
10:28<ompaul>next - when you start to boot
10:28<ompaul>NO wait
10:28<wsirc_5081>Well, it should be a ok as i just installed a diffrent os a little before this
10:28<ompaul>next - when you start to boot, your screen may offer you an order of devices
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10:28<viskee>he's already able to see the installer, which means he's already able to boot to usb
10:28<wsirc_5081>You mean the multiboot menu?
10:29<wsirc_5081>Yeah booting the installer is no problem
10:29<ompaul>viskee: not always true
10:29<viskee>he already said that
10:29<ompaul>wsirc_5081: yes
10:29<ompaul>make sure on multiboot you have that set up
10:29<ompaul>to choose the usb
10:29<wsirc_5081>Ya ok
10:29<wsirc_5081>I did
10:29<wsirc_5081>Should i boot into installer now?
10:30<ompaul>I'd try it and make sure I was on the one the machine thought was first, basically the start of the process runs with the first thing it can find
10:30<ompaul>however
10:30<ompaul>when linux starts up it has to be fooled (a bad word for it, but the only one that comes to mind) into thinking that the USB is an atapi drive
10:31<wsirc_5081>How?
10:31<wsirc_5081>Do i do that in grub?
10:31<ompaul>you don't
10:31<wsirc_5081>Ok phew
10:31<ompaul>it has to be done by having the disk
10:31<ompaul>in a suitable usb port
10:31<wsirc_5081>Suitable?
10:31<ompaul>you said you have done this with both
10:31<ompaul>usb ports
10:31<wsirc_5081>Ya i tried swapping the usb same result
10:31<ompaul>and there are no other ports on the machine
10:31<wsirc_5081>Yes
10:32<ompaul>with the bios choose boot device in both cases
10:32<wsirc_5081>Yes
10:32<ompaul>what model of laptop is that
10:32<wsirc_5081>Let me check
10:32<ompaul>model number
10:32<wsirc_5081>Toshiba satellite some thing
10:32<viskee>i'd switch try the netinst iso.
10:32<wsirc_5081>Does it support wifi?
10:33<ompaul>it might be more productive
10:33<viskee>yeah it does
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10:33<ompaul>to wire up the box and use netinst
10:33<ompaul>it only supports some wifi
10:33<wsirc_5081>Ok good. Dl ing it now. Will stay here if furture problems.
10:33<viskee>itd be so much easier hehe
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10:33<ompaul>wsirc_5081: get a cable and plug into the route
10:33<ompaul>router much more sane
10:33<wsirc_5081>Cant
10:33<viskee>i guessi should say it supports some wifi but it would be clicker to wire in
10:33<viskee>quicker*
10:33<wsirc_5081>Too long away and it will be annoying for my parents
10:34<ompaul>!firmware install
10:34<ompaul>!firmware
10:34<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
10:34<wsirc_5081>Ok lets do this
10:34<wsirc_5081>*starts writing to usb*
10:34<ompaul>!installer firmware
10:34<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
10:35<ompaul>wsirc_5081: do /msg dpkg firmware images first
10:35<ompaul>and follow that
10:35<wsirc_5081>And booting the computer! That was fast.
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10:36<wsirc_5081>Cmon load installer already T_t
10:36<wsirc_5081>there
10:36<ompaul>wsirc_5081: did you see what I pointed at for firmware images?
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10:36<ompaul>I guess not - well if your wifi doesn't work that is how you make it work
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10:37<wsirc_5081>Yay its startinng to install! ...I think
10:38<wsirc_5081>Hey cool! I think i made it work :)
10:39<viskee>sweet
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10:40<wsirc_5081>HMM SHOULD I FORMAT THE DISK OR THE USB CONTAINING THE INSTALLER... (jk)
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11:40<wsirc_5081>What do i do what do i do it failed at installing software!!!1
11:41<supaman>wsirc_5081: what failed, apt-get, dpkg .. be a bit more specific
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11:41<wsirc_5081>It just says That "The failing step is: Select and install software"
11:42<supaman>ah, are you installing debian?
11:42<wsirc_5081>Yeah.
11:42<wsirc_5081>it got like almost 50 procent
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11:44<supaman>what is the installer doing at the moment?
11:44<wsirc_5081>Telling me it f***ked up!
11:44<supaman>ok, so its idle?
11:44<wsirc_5081>Yeah.
11:45<supaman>not sure this will work, but try pressing ctrl-f2 (get another terminal), and try apt-get -f install
11:45<petrol> Hi, ive got some problem with polkit on kde/kdm because I'm not able to perform operations as suspenig using graphical sesion. TTY sesions works well. Sesions seems to be active. Do you know what could case this problem or how to figure it out?
11:45<wsirc_5081>ill try it, got nothing to lose.
11:46<wsirc_5081>apt-get: not found. *tries apt - get* apt: not founnd
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11:46<wsirc_5081>nope, didnt work.
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11:46<supaman>ok, apt-get not installed then
11:46<wsirc_5081>wat do?
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11:49<wsirc_5081>?
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11:51<wsirc_5081>???
11:51<babilen>wsirc_5081: Change console with ALT-4 and check for error messages
11:51<wsirc_5081>oh god so much stuff
11:51<wsirc_5081>what to look for?
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11:52<babilen>an error
11:52<wsirc_5081>well i see warnings
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11:52<wsirc_5081>uhh, ir says pkgsel failed with error code 1
11:53<wsirc_5081>wat do?
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11:55<wsirc_5081>is every1 gone?
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11:56<sney>the weekend is usually quiet here
11:56<wsirc_5081>oh ok. i still need help :/
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11:56<wsirc_5081>took so long to even get the install started
11:56<sney>wsirc_5081: it sounds like your installer iso was probably corrupt
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11:57<wsirc_5081>cant
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11:57<wsirc_5081>it worked in vboxzz
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11:57<wsirc_5081>w/o the zz
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11:57<sney>then it didn't write to the media correctly
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11:57<wsirc_5081>nope, brand new usb.
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11:58<_rsc`>hi
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11:58<wsirc_5081>f*** it i give up ill make a nas instead
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12:08<enyc>Humm... wheres the right place to get adimintator for lists.alioth.debian.org ?? havnig a big problem with spam-backscatter from 89.238.151.235 being relayed through e.g. pkg-mozilla-maintainers list (at least)
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12:09<NRoach44>damn that's a lot of nicks
12:10<Marillion>enyc: https://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/admin
12:10<NRoach44>Is there someone on this irc that's involed with the nvidia-driver packaging?
12:10<NRoach44>or is mailing list the best option?
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12:13<enyc>Marillion: i see... in this case the problem is ... Who Runs the underlying machine accepting the SMTP, rather than who administers the list
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12:14<Marillion>enyc: i don't know, it doesn't matter for me
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12:18<enyc>moszumanska.debian.org seems to be the relevant machine
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12:21<babilen>enyc: Sorry, it's just #alioth (and learn how to search for channels -- /msg chanserv list *alioth* -- /msg alis list *alioth* -- for oftc and freenode respectively
12:21<enyc>babilen: ooooooooooh chanserv never seen such a think
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12:22<enyc>babilen: oh wow thats useful =) thankyou
12:23<babilen>yw
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12:44<tranjeeshan>Hi. This is my "lspci -k | grep -iA5 vga" output
12:45<tranjeeshan>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 06)
12:45<tranjeeshan> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 1942
12:45<tranjeeshan> Kernel driver in use: i915
12:45<tranjeeshan>00:03.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller (rev 06)
12:45<tranjeeshan> Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 1942
12:45-!-tranjeeshan was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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12:48<tranjeeshan>http://paste.debian.net/124479/
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12:49<tranjeeshan>I could not install AMD graphics driver and WiFi driver in Debian
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12:50<tranjeeshan>The output for "lspci -k | grep -iA5 vga" is here http://paste.debian.net/124479/
12:50<enyc>I see intel rather than amd graphics mentioned...
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12:51<Ryccardo>tranjeeshan: did you install appropriate firmware?
12:51<tranjeeshan>@enyc, see the 8th line
12:52<tranjeeshan>It isn't availbale in Wheezy repo
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12:52<tranjeeshan>@Ryccardo, Jessie has it
12:53<Ryccardo>if it's just a firmware package (with no other depends) it's OK to install
12:53<tranjeeshan>but when I upgraded to Jessie, newer kernel didn't work
12:53<tranjeeshan>I'm not sure
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12:53<tranjeeshan>Do I need to show any other output?
12:53<Ryccardo>ah, looks like AMD hybrid graphics require the proprietary driver https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=184565
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12:54<tranjeeshan>I'm currently in Ubuntu GNOME 14.04
12:54<tranjeeshan>My laptop works perfectly out-of-the-box in Ubuntu
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12:54<tranjeeshan>but in Debian it creates problem
12:55<Ryccardo>well, it has hardware that didn't exist when stable was made (which due to how it's made from testing means it's about a month old on launch day)
12:56<tranjeeshan>SO what do I do?
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12:58<Ryccardo>if you want to try jessie again, you can usually choose between 2-3 kernel versions
12:59<Ryccardo>(right now there's only 3.16-2)
13:00<chealer>!iwl3160
13:00<dpkg>The Intel Dual Band Wireless AC (802.11ac, a/b/g/n compatible) 7000 series (e.g. 7260: PCI ID 8086:08b1, 3160: PCI ID 8086:08b3) is supported by <iwlwifi> since Linux 3.10. Firmware is required and packaged for Debian since firmware-iwlwifi 0.39. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: ask me about <bdo kernel> and install firmware-iwlwifi from <wheezy-backports>. See also <btusb>.
13:00<chealer>Ryccardo: uh? several versions of Linux?
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13:01<Ryccardo>chealer: ...well, regular and realtime
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13:09<ShuTD0wn>9owwadtiiiha
13:09<ShuTD0wn>fb.com/wso.phtml
13:09<ShuTD0wn>Shadows Team Hackers
13:09<ShuTD0wn>www.fb.com/Sh4d0ws.T
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13:29<dzan>hmm, installed this on on Sid: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/128860/minimal-x-org-xserver-installation-on-debian-wheezy but on startx I get "... /usr/bin/X: not found"
13:29<dzan>any idea?
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13:36<Ryccardo>dzan: it comes from xserver-xorg
13:38<dzan>hmm
13:38<dzan>so I missed that
13:38<dzan>sorry I thought I checked them all
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13:48<Xylon>Hi, have a problem
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13:48<sleser>does any1 know if i can make freetuxtv app to use alsa instead of pulse audio
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13:48<sleser>pulseaudio is cracling sounds
13:48<Sammy123>hey there
13:49<Sammy123>I've got trouble with unattended-updates on a server
13:49<Xylon>I wanted a fresh apache2 config so I uninstalled it, rm /etc/apache2 and re-installed it, but /etc/apache2 did not come back...
13:49<Xylon>then I tried purge and re-install and it still did not come back
13:49<Xylon>so now I have no config
13:49<Sammy123>I installed it and thought it will install security updates (after dpkg-reconfigure) automatically, but today I noticed rsyslog was not installed
13:49<Xylon>I mean, where in the heck did it come from in the first place?
13:50<Sammy123>and it was clearly marked as an urgent security update, so I must have missed something
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13:51<Sammy123>is there a default way to basically execute "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" on a daily basis?
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13:52<Ryccardo>Sammy123: as for the original question, the frequency is configured through apt.conf IIRC
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13:54<Ryccardo>for the second one, (ana)cron
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13:56<Sammy123>Ryccardo: I'm not sure, but I think some updates were applied, just not all
13:57<Sammy123>I'm not satisfied with the selection of packages, the timing appears to be right
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13:58<Sammy123>hm
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13:58<Sammy123>I didn't actually check whether rsyslog was delivered as "security-update"
13:59<Sammy123>I'm not fetching stable-updates yet (according to configuration), so it might have been just a different category ...
14:00<Sammy123>oh - https://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rsyslog.html
14:01<Sammy123>title in "news"-section is "accepted ... in wheezy-security"
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14:01<Sammy123>and the linked mail says "proposed-updates"
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14:02<Sammy123>that is somewhat confusing, but explains why it wasn't installed
14:02<Ryccardo>well, even the body of the mail clearly says wheezy-security
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14:03<Sammy123>dang, missed that
14:03<Sammy123>so back to square one ...
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14:06<Sammy123>http://paste.debian.net/124483/
14:07<Sammy123>plus APT::Periodic::Update-Package-Lists "1"; and APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "1";
14:07<Sammy123>that should be it, shouldn't it?
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14:26<Xylon>this is rediculous, there is now way to get back my apache config
14:26<Xylon>even uninstalling and re-installing does not work
14:26<Xylon>I guess I will have to install apache on another debian machine and copy over /etc/apache
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14:26<Xylon>ludicrous
14:27<Ryccardo>so, you changed a systemwide configuration and it persists across package reinstalls?
14:28<Ryccardo>aptitude purge {whatever} && aptitude install {whatever}
14:28<Xylon>I wanted an new apache config, so I aptitude remove apache2
14:28<Xylon>then noticed the config was still there and used rm
14:28<Xylon>then reinstalled and config did not come back
14:28<Xylon>the apt-get purge apache2
14:28<Ryccardo>this is exactly the difference between remove and purge
14:29<Xylon>then re-installed again, still did not come back
14:29<Sammy123>Isn't it possible to purge a removed program?
14:29<Ryccardo>rm works separately of the package manager, which believes the config is still there
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14:29<Xylon>but I have now purged it... so why does it still not come back after re-install
14:29<Ryccardo>Sammy123: sure, in fact `aptitude purge \~c` removes configuration of all uninstalled things
14:30<Sammy123>oh that's so neat to know! thanks!
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14:30<Ryccardo>maybe it has default config supplied in another package (like exim4 does)
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14:33<Xylon>computers can be a pina sometimes
14:35<Sammy123>Xylon: I have a possible solution
14:35<Sammy123>Xylon: with 'dpkg -l | grep apache' you see all apache packages
14:36<Sammy123>with 'dpkg -L <package-name>' you see which files this package is responsible for
14:36<Sammy123>*all installed apache packages
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14:36<Ryccardo>Xylon: try purging apache2-data, seems to be the one providing configuration
14:37<Sammy123>for me its apache2.2-common ...
14:37<Ryccardo>ah, using stable?
14:37<Sammy123>right, in stable
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14:38<Sammy123>might be that everything is different in 2.4
14:38<Sammy123>but Xylon does not react anymore
14:38<Xylon>sorry I was away for a minute
14:38<Xylon>I'm using wheezy
14:38<Sammy123>so stable
14:38<towo`>mc
14:39<Xylon>ah, apache2.2-common was it :)
14:39<Sammy123>so it's probably apache2.2-common, you can verify that on your system using the steps I listed above
14:39<Xylon>thanks so much guys
14:39<Sammy123>today I learned something :)
14:40<Sammy123>as for my own problems with the unattended-updates, I'm going to have an eye on it for the next few days
14:40<Sammy123>maybe I get behind how it works
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14:42<imperia>Hello. I am trying to verify if DVD is written correctly with cmp -print-bytes /dev/dvd image.iso but the responce is cmp: EOF on debian-jessie-DI-b1-i386-netinst.iso. Does this mean the DVD is usable. I have to know that before I format my router. Thanks
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14:45<oldlaptop>imperia: I would use md5/shafoo rather than cmp, myself
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14:47<oldlaptop>that message means it's running out of bytes to compare in the ISO image before it runs out of bytes in the DVD
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14:47<imperia>so dvd is ok. how to use md5 shafoo?
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14:48<oldlaptop>read manpages for md5sum, sha256sum, etc
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14:48<oldlaptop>There should be various checksums for the ISO image you downloaded on the mirrors
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14:49<oldlaptop>you see if they match to check for corrupted downloads, and you can also try hashing the disc
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14:49<Sammy123>I'm not sure, but is it necessary to restrict the amount of bytes on the DVD when calculating the hashsum since it's probably bigger than the image itself?
14:50<oldlaptop>I would wonder that, yes
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14:50<oldlaptop>cmp *would* exit with an error if it found any differences before it hit the end of the ISO image
14:50<oldlaptop>it's probably all fine
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14:52<imperia>md5 of .iso is ok.. but how do i see dvd's md5
14:52<orglee>Problem: chmod: changing permissions of `blabla.sh': Operation not permitted
14:52<orglee>after I have cloned git repository as "nonroot" user I cant change its permisions
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14:54<orglee>even though Im its author and member of its group
14:55<Sammy123>so if you have the ISO-file you might get lucky with
14:56<Sammy123>dd if=/dev/dvd bs=1 count=$(wc -c /path/to/iso/file | cut -d' ' -f1) | md5sum
14:57-!-mode/#debian [+l 664] by debhelper
14:57<imperia>Sammy123: thanks. i will try this now
14:57<Sammy123>is probably slow as heck
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14:57<Sammy123>and in general, you should check commands you run on your commandline if you get them from others by checking what they do via man-pages etc
14:57<Sammy123>just in case you don't do that
14:58<oldlaptop>for all you know Sammy123 is an evil cracker who wants to steal your bank passwords and set fire to your cat
14:58<imperia>oldlaptop: I know I know :D
14:58<oldlaptop>never trust scary internet people!
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14:58<Sammy123>well, not the bank passwords, but lighting the cat definitely!
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15:12<imperia>Sammy123: with bs=1 its going to take a day i guess :)
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15:13<Sammy123>the other way is to calculate for a bigger block size :)
15:13<Sammy123>or try it directly like 'md5sum /dev/dvd'
15:13<Sammy123>but then it might get the zero bytes after the end of the iso
15:15<imperia>yeah. md5sum /dev/dvd probably wont give correct results
15:15<valdyn>imperia: if you have the iso then you can just "cmp /dev/dvd file.iso"
15:15<Sammy123>lol
15:16<imperia>;) i tried.. it said EOF of file.iso
15:16<valdyn>imperia: thats expected
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15:16<valdyn>imperia: your cdrom is good then
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15:16<Sammy123>sorry, valdyn, that command was how the whole discussion started, that's why I laughed ;)
15:17<valdyn>I see
15:17<imperia>ok thanks. that was my guess. but still wanted to check to be sure before i wipe my router :)
15:17<Sammy123>but it's good to have the behaviour confirmed, thanks
15:17<Sammy123>we were not quite sure
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15:19<Sammy123>apparently you can get the 2048 byte block count using 'isoinfo -i /dev/dvd -d' - mentioning this for the sake of completeness
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15:22<imperia>I can do that on .iso itself too?
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15:24<imperia>and what for i use sector size? for bs=2048?
15:24<Sammy123>I'm not sure, I don't know isoinfo that well
15:25<Sammy123>but I guess yes, you would use bs=2048
15:25<imperia>yeah i can.. tried
15:25<imperia>what program do you use for dvd writting?
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15:30<Sammy123>that happens about once in 1.5 years, so everytime I have forgotten what I used and everytime I <searchengine> again what to use :)
15:30<oldlaptop>whatever k3b frontends for here (never felt like bothering with the actual tools)
15:30<Sammy123>oh, well, I'm using commandline tools
15:31<imperia>i dont have gui
15:32<sleser>is there a way to connect to a internet stb box with debian
15:32<sleser>i want to upload a new m3u list in there
15:33<Sammy123>stb?
15:33<imperia>set top box?
15:33<sleser>internet tv box
15:33<Brigo>imperia, what is that?
15:34<imperia>device for watching satellite or other tv
15:34<imperia>good ones are linux
15:34<imperia>mine stb is linux too :)
15:34<Brigo>imperia, ask the device
15:34<Sammy123>that is a highly unspecific request ...
15:34<sleser>device that going to read a m3u files and show me the chanels
15:35<sleser>my old box has the old m3u list and isnt showing
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15:36<sleser>i have the old box i bout froma provider my time ran out . now i see all thise chanels with vlc m3u they want to rob the costomer
15:36<sleser>box is mine its payed for . if only i can pute the m3u i use for vlc in to t hat stb its all good to go
15:36<imperia>you want to put m3u into your new stb?
15:36<sleser>yeh
15:37<imperia>what is it ?
15:37<sleser>there no name on the box just says internet tv stb
15:37<sleser>has a cat5 plug i was wondering if samba will do it
15:38<Sammy123>where did you get it, how do you know it's cat5?
15:38<imperia>there should be some sticker or something to identify it
15:38<sleser>it needs a cat5 cable to run internet tv with
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15:39<sleser>there no sticker no nothing that says the name
15:39<imperia>telnet or ssh to it
15:39<sleser>companys that sell iptv for a year they wipe the name on the box
15:40<sleser>so the costomer dosnt get wise to watch free
15:40<imperia>does it have usb on front?
15:40<sleser>thats why i think t heir theifs
15:40<sleser>no usb
15:40<sleser>its an old fation box
15:40<imperia>ok.. try to telnet to it
15:40<sleser>u probably have the tiny box like a sigarete pack . a wifi with it ... mine no wifi
15:41<sleser>brb
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15:43<sleser>i dont know the name or port of the box
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15:43<sleser>ip and port i mean
15:43<Sammy123>scan your network
15:44<Sammy123>do a portscan on devices you don't recognize
15:44<Sammy123>and then you can start to guess username and password
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15:46<imperia>if your router is debian. check what ip and hostname is requesting your device :)
15:47<Sammy123>arp is a tool with which you can look at the devices in your network
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15:49<sleser>apt-get install arp ? or arp-scan
15:51<imperia>just try arp?
15:52<sleser>its arp-scan i think arp didnt work
15:53<Sammy123>it needs super user rights for execution
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15:54<sleser>arpscan shows no suitable device found
15:55<Sammy123>'sudo arp' gives me all devices in my network
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15:56<sleser>http://paste.debian.net/124506/
15:56<sleser>isnt listing the stb box whitch conected to the router
15:57<imperia>nmap then?
15:57<imperia>Sammy123: sudo arp, but executed on router?
15:58<Sammy123>sudo arp on my local machine
15:58<Sammy123>not on the router
15:58<Sammy123>but apparently the tv box doesn't give dns information
15:58<Sammy123>so nmap it is
15:59<sleser>what is the command to run nmap
15:59<sleser>like if to epecting to see what i need to see
16:00<Sammy123>man nmap
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16:00<imperia>how much devices you have connected to your router?
16:00<sleser>just one
16:00<Sammy123>which is unlikely
16:00<imperia>try telnet 192.168.1.100
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16:01<imperia>also do nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24
16:01<Sammy123>how do you expect to find anything if you have only one device plugged into the router?
16:01<sleser>on my router . is the computer and that stb box
16:02<sleser>well i dont even see the stb . on the router
16:02<Sammy123>oh, right, sorry
16:03<Sammy123>you could try to use a fixed ip address on your computer and hook the box directly to your computer
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16:03<imperia>i guess stb takes ip by dhcp.. so its should get usually 192.168.1.100
16:04<sleser>imperia will samba do it ?
16:04<imperia>probably not
16:04<imperia>lets first try to find it on network
16:04<Sammy123>I'm out, I cannot contribute any further
16:04<sleser>thanks samy
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16:07<sleser>imperia http://paste.debian.net/124507/
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16:07<imperia>try nmap 192.168.1.125 and then nmap 192.168.1.126
16:07<sergio>Hello
16:07<sleser>....there definately a way if i know the ip to that box . is how th e compay conects to it . to fix my login password if i forgoten it
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16:08<sleser>and upload new flash to it
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16:09<Guest521>Hi
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16:10<sleser>imperia http://paste.debian.net/124509/
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16:11<imperia>sleser: your pc is also connected to router?
16:11<sleser>yes
16:11<imperia>what is his ip.. 125?
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16:12<sleser>126
16:13<imperia>telnet 192.168.1.125
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16:13<sleser>worked lemy go find my paper work to see login password
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16:27<sleser>cant get the loging password
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16:27<imperia>normal
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16:28<imperia>what do you see when you do telnet
16:28<imperia>only login?
16:28<imperia>do you see some text
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16:30<dratini0>I am trying to set up a dns server in my local network. I am trying to use unbound, but requests are insanely slow, often above 120 secs. Did I do anything wrong, or is it normal?
16:30<dratini0>here is my config: http://paste.debian.net/124511/
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16:32<dratini0>under normal I mean excepted (smtp servers reject dynamic IP-s, do dns servers do something like this?)
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16:33<kenyon>dratini0: are you sure it's actually your server taking a long time, and not your client timing out or something like that?
16:33<dratini0>I am looking at unbound-control dump_requestlist
16:33<dratini0>So yes
16:34<kenyon>dunno, I've never run unbound, all my BIND instances work great though
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16:35<dratini0>Well, then. I will try installing bind and see what happens. Thanks anyway.
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16:55<valdyn>top
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16:58<dratini0>valdyn: if you mean that I should check my cpu usage, it is very low during the entire resolution process.
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16:59<valdyn>dratini0: no, I entered into the wrong window
16:59<dratini0>happens, no problem
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17:10<ledoux>hello
17:11<ledoux>can someone please tell me how I can show the current line in my terminal?
17:11<shifrigu>hello
17:11<ledoux>what should I write in the bashrc ?
17:11<shifrigu>do you speak spanish?
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17:12<ledoux>no sorry
17:12<devil>!es
17:12<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte tecnico en Ingles para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en espanol, por favor ingrese a #debian-es con /join #debian-es tecleado en la linea de chat.
17:13<babilen>ledoux: Line numbers in the terminal?
17:13<babilen>Are you sure that's a thing?
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17:14<Marillion>babilen: crossposting with debian.de
17:14<babilen>Yeah, just realised
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17:16<ledoux>babilen: yes
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17:45<ledoux>hi
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19:14<Supaplex_>any suggestions on a package to track goals? I'd like to limit certian categories of time traps too. eg, online games etc.
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19:28<Brigo>Supaplex_, afaik, you cannot track goals, only ports and ips, if you are thinking about networks.
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21:15<bbigras__>For an L2TP/IPSec VPN with Android, Windows and IOS clients, should I use ipsec-tools, openswan or strongswan? I'm only testing with Android right now and I'm having problems. With ipsec-tools it works locally on wifi but not on 3G. It seems ipsec-tools' latest version is from 2011 so I wonder if I shouldn't use this anymore.
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22:31-!-Cylus is "cyl.us" on #tor #php #oftc #guardianproject #debian-offtopic #debian @#
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22:37<Cylus>Does anyone know any good free plugins for syncing my Icedove contacts with my cardDAV server? The only plugin that seems to turn up in Web searches is the SOGo one, but I can't find any license information on that one.
22:38<shawn>Hello
22:38<shawn>They changed the tasksel screen
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22:38<shawn>No explaination
22:39<shawn>It's a lot different than before I'm not quite sure what to do
22:39<shawn>https://www.dropbox.com/s/jscinnd6ogln18i/IMG_20141004_191940.jpg?dl=0
22:39<shawn>I want KDE but.. Debian desktop is redundant to that right? I'm afriad it will install gnome
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22:42<Cylus>shawn: I would try it without the "Debian desktop" one. I agree that that sounds like another GNOME option.
22:42<shawn>Crap too late
22:42<shawn>Well I will tell you what I find
22:42<Cylus>Oops. Well, it's a good time to find out then.
22:42<Cylus>Yes, please do. I'd love to hear what that is for when I next install.
22:43<shawn>Nice that mate is there now
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22:43<Cylus>I'm an Xfce user myself, so I'm not really wanting to install the GNOME desktop alongside it.
22:43<shawn>Ah
22:44<Cylus>I should give MATE another try. Though last time I used it, a tiny menu bug was getting on my nerves. I'm a bit picky like that sometimes.
22:44<shawn>Youean the menu won't refresh the icons soon enough or cache them properly?
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22:44<shawn>That's what I noticed
22:45<shawn>Only real complaint I had about the menus
22:46<Cylus>The issue I saw had to do with menu integration. Some standard (I forget which) provides a way to add categories to the menu. MATE (last I checked) ignored these added categories and did not display them.
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22:47<Cylus>GNOME and Xfce (and I would guess KDE and LXDE) support the standard and to it right.
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23:13<shawn>Cylus: no gnome or xfce on this install
23:14<shawn>But iceweasel is really ugly for some reason
23:14<shawn>May have to recompile it with better compile options
23:15<shawn>Normally Firefox fits right in with QT apps
23:16<shawn>This one doesn't even have a QT scroll bar
23:16<Cylus>shawn: Huh. I wonder what it would install that would break Iceweasel ....
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23:24<shawn>I needed oxygen gtk themes
23:24<shawn>Looks good now
23:24<shawn>Now to fix my sound D:
23:24<shawn>I just came from kubuntu because the sound wasn't working
23:24<shawn>Well not working here either
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