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00:08<tweakism>yeah, looks like it's correct to not define that; also good.
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00:09<tweakism>I guess I didn't screw up after all, just should have documented it better.
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01:23<transistor2014>what up
01:23<transistor2014>i just installed debian
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01:25<transistor2014>lol konversation crashed
01:25<vortek>cool
01:25<vortek>i mean cool that u got debian installed
01:25<transistor2014>yeah
01:25<vortek>is this your first time running it?
01:25<transistor2014>i installed flgrx for amd hd 7950
01:26<transistor2014>yeah
01:26<vortek>cool
01:26<vortek>how you like it?
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01:26<transistor2014>it nice better than fedora i guess left windows long ago
01:26<vortek>hehe
01:27<vortek>you can change the defualt window manager if your not happy with the one debian supplied
01:27<transistor2014>i be learning a lot just messing with the terminal
01:27<transistor2014>and reaing online
01:27<transistor2014>reading
01:27<vortek>sweet
01:28<vrkalak>I started my linux journey (about 8 yrs ago) with fedora, sabayon, and finally debian
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01:28<transistor2014>but my gnome 3 only works if i alt f2 run gnome-shell --replace
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01:29<transistor2014>kool
01:29<sleser>what did u read
01:29<transistor2014>or it is on fallback
01:29<sleser>and what did you learn
01:29<transistor2014>i instaled fglrx amd driver
01:29<transistor2014>and
01:29<sleser>because i find if reading then reading every day . learning it by heart. other then if fixing a problem ones its acures then spending munths watching videos games , then when problem acure already forgoten how to fix it
01:30<transistor2014>trying to get gnome 3 up not gnome fallback
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01:30<sleser>i read too i just forget . until the problem returns again
01:30<transistor2014>lol
01:30<vortek>lol
01:30<transistor2014> fall back is kool
01:30<vortek>sweet
01:30<transistor2014>but it is basic no graphics
01:31<transistor2014>just looks like classic gnome
01:31<vortek>i like xfce or kde
01:31<transistor2014> might install kde desktop
01:31<vortek>kde is nice
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01:31<vortek>its bloated but i like it
01:31<transistor2014>login screen
01:31<transistor2014>lets me choose
01:32<transistor2014>im actually on Kali
01:32<transistor2014>which is debain
01:32<transistor2014>i really like Kali
01:33<transistor2014>Kali is basic Debian so i have to add stuff
01:33<transistor2014>manualy
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01:33<sleser>i havent tried kali
01:33<sleser>what is it like ?
01:34<transistor2014>it loaded with tools and kool packages
01:34<sleser>like internet tools no ?
01:34<transistor2014>yeah
01:34<sleser>i tryed linux mint but i still think debian is way cool only if i knew the pakage names for t he tools im looking for
01:35<sleser>unline windows google serch fixes problems and tool names i find linux a litle hard for the tool name i look for sins they dont add in google sites
01:35<sleser>as easy as windows
01:35<transistor2014>you have to really learn i had to add a few things it not already built like ubuntu
01:35<sleser>that would be cool if google started making life easy . on finding tools for linux
01:35<sleser>and not windows
01:35<transistor2014>true
01:36<sleser>the most problem for me is tools name
01:36<sleser>like for instance if u go to google u type in for instance mp3 converter winxp
01:36<sleser>now for linux its very hard to find
01:36<sleser>unles i come to distro name and ask
01:36<sleser>sometimes it iritates helpers
01:36<transistor2014>this has top 10 secruity tools
01:36<sleser>for easy stuf like that
01:36<transistor2014>and
01:36<sleser>bsides security its way beter then windows
01:36<sleser>it does all my windows work android u name it
01:37<transistor2014>when i shared my home folder on a p2p it said that was not good
01:37<sleser>i dont know why they invetned windows at all . it keeps people new to computers and keeps them stupid
01:37<transistor2014>yeah
01:37<sleser>like for instance my self im still stupid considering . only 2 years linux still stupid
01:37<transistor2014>windows is a dumb down system ment to controll people
01:38<sleser>windows is good for factory manufacturers because windows likes strong machine
01:38<sleser>when linux can squize the juice out of a machine
01:38<transistor2014>tell them what they can and can't do
01:38<sleser>make your money worth it
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01:38<sleser>i were going to trow my computer out 2 years ago if i didnt try linux
01:38<sleser>i had to . no choise
01:38<transistor2014>yeah
01:38<sleser>windows no longer wanted to work because of their suport updates and crap
01:38<transistor2014>yeah
01:38<transistor2014> they have driver issues
01:39<transistor2014>drivers are a pain
01:39<transistor2014>still have to work out a few like the one i just did here to get graphics
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01:39<transistor2014>cause amd likes windows not like nvidia
01:40<sleser>im using the nonfree from debian for my nvidia
01:40<sleser>no problem
01:40<sleser>it what i was recomended by suport
01:40<transistor2014>yeah nvidia works great on linux but amd is a pain
01:40<transistor2014>my amd hd 7950
01:40<transistor2014>will lock out black
01:41<sleser>... i always found that if one uses a pc for video game he should go get him self like a ps3 or 4 and pc is realy not for games . well it can play games only if u keep buying new grafic card
01:41<transistor2014>if drivers are not perfect
01:41<sleser>so i find like a ps34 or xbox new one is bet way for game grafix
01:41<transistor2014>yup
01:41<transistor2014>i got a arcade machine
01:41<vortek>but the pc has better graphics then a ps4 or xbox1
01:41<transistor2014>and put a pc in it
01:41<transistor2014> mame cab
01:42<transistor2014>also got a xbox360 to joystick panel kit
01:42<sleser>px definately has but look again new grafic card comes out and a game u want to play it costs u around 3 4 maby 600 bucks to play one game
01:42<sleser>and ps 3 just plays it
01:42<transistor2014>xbox sucks
01:42<transistor2014>you have to pay for everything
01:42<transistor2014>ps3 better
01:43<transistor2014>i still have a ps3
01:43<sleser>ps is fine if you buy the game and play i havent realy signed up for online games
01:43<sleser>dont need that
01:43<transistor2014>yeah
01:43<sleser>ones i beat the game i dont play itne more
01:43<transistor2014>makes perfect sense
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01:43<sleser> how fast is kali in your machine ?
01:43<transistor2014>really blasing
01:43<sleser>kde ?
01:44<transistor2014>blazing
01:44<transistor2014>yeah both
01:44<transistor2014> gpu is 3 gb
01:44<transistor2014>and got a 6 core amd
01:44<transistor2014>fx6300
01:44<transistor2014> with 36 gb mem
01:44<sleser> pute debian kde on your vm box chek it out also
01:45<sleser>its good stuf
01:45<transistor2014>ok yeah i love vm's
01:45<sleser>i gona try kali on vm . bbl
01:45<transistor2014>i run android x86
01:45<sleser>see what its like
01:45<transistor2014>ok awsome
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01:46<transistor2014>you can run android on a vm
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01:48<sleser>i have droid runing on vm ware
01:48<sleser>dosnt works rite
01:49<sleser>i was trying to install apps for watching tv. my fone works and apps and aondroid virsion on my vm . they dont
01:49<sleser>mising something . i dont even know what its missing because its not teling me what is missing just says it dosnt works...
01:49<sleser>gave up on fixing it . dont need android in my vm
01:50<sleser>the app closes on me with error
01:50<sleser>only if i had a log to read why
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01:52<afsal>i accendently removed apache2 from /etc/init.d directory, how to get back that?
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01:52<afsal>using 'rm'
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01:53<transistor2014>android on vm is
01:53<transistor2014>not perfect
01:54<transistor2014>they need better images of android dumps
01:54<transistor2014>all android is is linux
01:54<transistor2014>has same terminal and root system
01:55<wompa>!offtopic
01:55<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
01:55<transistor2014>ok
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01:57<transistor2014>debian is great ...
02:00<sleser>do you know anything about portable computers similar like rasbary pi stronger then pi whitch xmbc works perfect on it ?
02:00<transistor2014>well anyway the distro i am using is debian based so thats why im here ...
02:00<sleser>debian crew sorry i just have no where els to ask . for the best advice
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02:02<sleser>a linux based one
02:04<transistor2014>i sent you private message ,...
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02:06<vrkalak>* please do not PM anybody except for personal issues - everything else should be discussed in the chats.
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02:07<mikael>Debian its great with openbox only use like 500 mb memory of ram
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02:27<WAR10CK>test
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02:34<wompa>test failed
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02:43<vortek>how do i know wich kernel debian installed , what command do i run?
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02:47<wompa>vortek, "dpkg --list | grep linux-image" to see which ones are installed, "uname -r" to see which you run currently
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03:00<tweakism>is there an easy way to use the debian installer, but do lvm+mdadm+cryptsetup from the command line ?
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03:00<tweakism>or maybe I should just debootstrap
03:00<dondelelcaro>tweakism: the installer does all of that
03:00<tweakism>I'm aware.
03:01<tweakism>it doesn't expose options I need.
03:01<dondelelcaro>which options do you need?
03:01<tweakism>is that relevant to my question
03:02<dondelelcaro>but in any event, the answer is yes.
03:02<dondelelcaro>you can use the console in the installer to do whatever you need, and manually mount the target, and then continue
03:02<tweakism>and chroot into it, I imagine?
03:02<dondelelcaro>no
03:02<dondelelcaro>it just gets mounted on /target
03:03<vortek>were can i find the kubuntu support channel? i have a user that needs it
03:03<vortek>any ideas?
03:03<dondelelcaro>!kubuntu
03:03<dpkg>kubuntu is probably yet another Debian derivative. It is <Ubuntu> with KDE instead of GNOME. As such, it is not Debian and is not supported on #debian (see <based on debian caveats>). For kubuntu support, please join #kubuntu on chat.freenode.net.
03:03<tweakism>I'm pretty sure the only side-effects are /etc/crypttab and /etc/mdadm.conf, but I'm not certain and am looking for a sanctioned method
03:03<vortek>thanxs
03:03<dondelelcaro>vortek: no problem
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03:15<tweakism>I guess obviously it doesn't make sense to chroot to a target that doesn't exist yet. But debian installer does stuff after setting up partitions+raid+crypt+lvm: at least /etc/crypttab and /etc/mdadm.conf. Those are easy enough to do manually, but does it do anything else?
03:16<dondelelcaro>it does quite a few other things, like create users, set up hostnames, etc.
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03:16<tweakism>yes, I know that
03:16<tweakism>and it would definitely do those things anyway
03:17<tweakism>I meant disk-related
03:17<dondelelcaro>it would be helpful if you actually told us specifically what you're trying to do
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03:19<tweakism>I thought I did; I want to run the following manually: mdadm, cryptsetup, pvcreate/vgcreate/lvcreate, mkfs.ext4
03:20<tweakism>but otherwise use the debian installer
03:20<dondelelcaro>the question is why you want to run them manually... but yes, you can run them manually, have the installer detect them, and then continue on.
03:20<tweakism>why do you feel the need to question that
03:21<dondelelcaro>because you may not actually need to, or there may be a better way to do what you're trying to do.
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03:22<dondelelcaro>anyway, best of luck.
03:22<tweakism>*sigh*
03:24<crunch>that showed iside the channel didn't it. sorry
03:24<tweakism>crunch: nah, I didn't see anything
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03:25<crunch>well that means I have a question. how do I undo automaitc window control?
03:26<crunch>I'll find it in the guide
03:26<tweakism>off-topic for here. I will help you in privmsg if you want, or you can go to the irssi channel.
03:26<tweakism>it's extremely flexible though, you'll almost have to read about it.
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03:45<research>how to install rdp
03:45<tweakism>client?
03:46<research>yes
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03:46<tweakism>there are multiple to choose from
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03:47<tweakism>gnome-rdp is nice, but if you want smaller/less dependencies there's xrdp, and I also see "freerdp" but I've never used it.
03:47<abijeet>I'd recommend XRDP, I've been using it to connect to work.
03:48<abijeet>You can then use Remmina - http://remmina.sourceforge.net/
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03:49<research>when install rdp by ubuntu center show massege Failed to download repository information
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04:00<research>im download remmina but i cant installed
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04:10<research>how install remmina
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04:27<research>rdp deleted my system but icnat install again
04:27<wompa>research, using Debian's package manager
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04:29<wompa>research, are you using Debian?
04:30<research>no
04:30<wompa>research, what then?
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04:33<wompa>research, this channel helps with Debian. So if you are using Ubuntu for instance I could point you to Ubuntu's help channel.
04:34<research>ok
04:34<research>thanks
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05:19<matteo>IDENTIFY
05:20<matteo>\IDENTIFY
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05:25<pmatteo1998>hello
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05:43<ra0>hey
05:43<ra0>apt-get update
05:43<ra0>Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 _Kali_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20141002-11:29] kali Release.gpg
05:43<ra0>Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 _Kali_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20141002-11:29] kali Release
05:43<ra0>Err cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 _Kali_ - Official Snapshot amd64 LIVE/INSTALL Binary 20141002-11:29] kali/contrib amd64 Packages
05:43-!-ra0 was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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05:44<helmut_>hi
05:46<ra0o>hi
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05:46<ra0o>any one help me
05:46<musca>no
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05:47<musca>!kali
05:47<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
05:47<ra0o>ok thx man
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07:04<dutchfish>hi, i have finally the opensource of GPIB bus running on my Debian machine. However i have some LXI devices that i also want to hookup. Does anybody know if there is an efford going on of an opensource LXI implementation? The standard route installing VISA drivers on Debian/Jessie or wheezy doesnt seam to work anymore, nor am i intrested in this because i would like to have an opensource solution for a school project.
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07:05<dutchfish>any info or hints, welcome
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07:06<dutchfish>since more and more hardware seams to have this bus
07:07<dutchfish>i use GNU octave as the main software
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07:26<supaman>dutchfish: don't know the lxi standard but reading http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5989-6717EN.pdf seems to indicate that using the native ethernet driver is enough
07:26<supaman>they also mention vxi
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07:28<supaman>vxi explained here: http://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/5989-6716EN.pdf
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07:36<dutchfish>supaman, thanks, i will delve into it
07:37<dutchfish>supaman, most of the devices using GPIB over LXI anyway
07:38<dutchfish>supaman, thanks again, appreciated
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07:51<patsy>hello
07:51<patsy>here's a question for the Lazy Admin Day
07:52<patsy>say I need to install a deb package which is up there on Debian ftp
07:52<patsy>but it's not yet listed in the Packages file
07:53<patsy>i.e. it's quite fresh
07:53<patsy>is there any way to check its signature?
07:55<themill>Packages aren't available on the mirrors if they're not in the Packages file
07:56<patsy>well this one clearly is:
07:56<patsy>http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bash/bash_4.3-10_amd64.deb
07:56<patsy>i mean is not there
07:57<themill>,v bash --release jessie
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07:57<judd>Package: bash on i386 -- jessie: 4.3-10
07:58<patsy>ok my bad ;)
07:58<patsy>was looking in wheezy section
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07:59<patsy>kudos to you for that ;)
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09:18<nooryani84>Is it possible to create a Debian USB-drive for EFI installation ?
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09:24<Brigo>!tell nooryani84 about efi
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09:25<nooryani84>so it supports uefi, but not secure boot?
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09:25<nooryani84>I thought it did :/
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09:28<nooryani84>thanks Brigo
09:28<Brigo>nooryani84, http://www.irill.org/videos/debconf13/Secure_Boot_for_Debian_Linux.webm
09:29<nooryani84>yea i saw that, though that's just a discussion i believe
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09:29<Brigo>nooryani84, np :)
09:31<nooryani84>i found this for apparently creating secure boot keys http://burtness.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/secure-boot-with-debian-testing/
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09:31<nooryani84>I question the benefit of secure boot in Linux though
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10:00<Ryccardo|zzz>[15:19:00] <nooryani84> Is it possible to create a Debian USB-drive for EFI installation ? -- just dd the iso
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10:02<nooryani84>Ryccardo, any point in keeping Secure Boot enabled in linux? I won't be using it as a server, just a workstation.
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10:03<Ryccardo>I see no point in secure boot whatsoever, at least given the current implementations
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10:03<Ryccardo>like the inherently neutral TPM chip, it'll likely end up being used as a DRM enforcement tool
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10:04<nooryani84>Seems like secure boot is here to stay, I don't see any real world benefits for end-users.
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10:05<nooryani84>The only thing I can think of is MS preventing users from installing pirated copies of Windows. I don't buy this pre-boot malware argument quite yet
10:06<nooryani84>If anything it's just a locked bootloader
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10:11<Ryccardo>nooryani84: at least you can disable it, unlike on the Surface ;)
10:11<nooryani84>hehe
10:12<nooryani84>The EU wouldn't allow MS to lock PCs down
10:13<nooryani84>If the Surface wasn't a Microsoft product, then I doubt they would have been allowed to omit the option to disable secure boot.
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10:15<Ryccardo>I still have a dream computer: 4+ hours battery at ~half brightness, 13 inches, Intel video, Intel or Atheros wifi, backlit keyboard, preferably under 800 €...
10:15<nooryani84>Sounds like my Asus ux32ln
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10:16<nooryani84>not sure if you can get it under 800 eur, though I believe you can. No glossy screen either
10:17<nooryani84>With Intel Core M you'll definitely be getting more battery life.. they're saying 10-15 hours
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10:19<nooryani84>All the other manufacturers rip you off IMO.. Dell/Lenovo would be my other choices, though they cost a lot more.
10:19<nooryani84>Linux support is pretty good on Asus/dell in my experience
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10:21<nooryani84>Ryccardo, what computer are you currently using?
10:22<Ryccardo>Macbook Pro 2011 (a Broadcom on a 1100 € computer, yes)
10:23<nooryani84>ah
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10:23<cesar>hi
10:23<nooryani84>I had a 2007/8 MBP... Fans were always running at full speed back then :P
10:24<cesar>i'm just testing irc
10:24<cesar>how are u guys?
10:27<nooryani84>plus you couldnt easily upgrade it
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11:15<dpkg>qmi <~ubuntu@ec2-54-72-164-43.eu-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 179d 19h 33m 29s ago, saying: ' '.
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11:55<Champers>hmz, I can't find the page regarding upcoming releases anymore :/
11:55<Champers>is there a date for 7.7 yet .
11:55<Champers>?
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11:57<Ryccardo>I got an update in jessie a week ago mentioning an upcoming freeze in the changelog, if it means anything
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11:57<Champers>found it : 18-10-2014
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12:02<Champers>Jessie to be frozen 5th of november
12:02<Champers>looking good
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12:23<onryo>Normally deal with git. Using cvs atm. What is the difference between "get" and "checkout"
12:23<onryo>cvs -d$CVSROOT get -rOPENBSD_5_5 -P src
12:23<onryo>cvs -d$CVSROOT checkout -rOPENBSD_5_5 -P src
12:23<onryo>seem to do the same thing?
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12:31<onryo>found it in man. checkout - Synonyms: co, get
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12:43<smj>Is wheezy going to move on to Firefox ESR 31.x once 24.x is discontinued?
12:44<onryo>firefox?
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12:44<smj>...Iceweasel.
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12:48<onryo>smj https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=jessie&searchon=names&keywords=iceweasel
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12:48<smj>but wheezy
12:49<somiaj>smj: that has been how the security team has been working with browsers. They will most likely continue with that and use the esr release over backporting fixes to the version now in debian-security.
12:49<somiaj>smj: if you want a newer version than wheezy has (security does provide the current esr and as I said I think they will contiue this policy) you can use mozilla.debian.net
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12:49<somiaj>but it may not be until the current esr has a sever enough security bug for the switch to happen
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12:58<smj>https://mozorg.cdn.mozilla.net/media/img/firefox/organizations/release-overview.png?201406 Do you mean the browser won't be updated anymore?
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13:05<olasd>smj: no, it means that iceweasel will probably hop on the 31 branch once the 24 one is discontinued
13:05<olasd>(in stable)
13:05<smj>ok.
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13:06<somiaj>smj: security will keep the iceweasle brower in wheezy secure. If that means upgrading to the 31 branch somtime after 24 is discontouned then they will. This is my best guess as to what they will do at the time a security issue needs fixed in the wheezy version
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13:39<ceibal>positivo bgh
13:41<faheem__>debuild binary is just echoing
13:41<faheem__>dh binary
13:41<faheem__>i think i maybe need an additional target in my rules file. i currently have
13:41<faheem__>https://gist.github.com/e68f6f95b41da48c45fe
13:42<faheem__>i tried adding -> override_dh_binary:
13:42<faheem__> dh_auto_build:
13:43<faheem__>but it made no difference.
13:43<faheem__>any tips?
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14:03<fr33domlover>Where do executable shell scripts go?
14:04<fr33domlover>should I install to /usr/bin or to /usr/share with a symlink from /usr/bin?
14:04<Ryccardo>anywhere, but /usr/local/bin is already in your path
14:04<Ryccardo>by convention, use /usr/local/* for stuff that's not from packages
14:05<fr33domlover>and if I make a package?
14:05<Ryccardo>/usr/bin (or /usr/sbin) if not essential to booting, /bin or /sbin if it is :)
14:06<fr33domlover>Ryccardo, thanks. I see a package which has a python script in /usr/share and a symlink from /usr/bin - is there any reason to do that?
14:07<Ryccardo>it's a little weird, but then again the hole
14:07<Ryccardo>it's a little weird, but then again the whole purpose of folders for executables is a practical convention, not a technical requirement
14:08<dondelelcaro>fr33domlover: some packages expect certain scripts to be in /usr/share/foo; in some cases, the maintainer has decided that the script might actually be called by humans, and shouldn't be there
14:08<dondelelcaro>fr33domlover: or, alternatively, the script in /usr/share/foo has a common name (like cp), but in /usr/sbin/ it's foo-cp or similar.
14:08<dondelelcaro>fr33domlover: some of the mailman commands are an example of this
14:09<fr33domlover>dondelelcaro, thanks
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14:10<dondelelcaro>no problem
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14:12<WAR10CK>apa ada orang indo di sini
14:16<Maulkin>!id
14:16<dpkg>[id] 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360, or #debian-id
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14:16<Maulkin>WAR10CK: /j #debian-id
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14:23<martingale>i just installed wheezy on one of my laptops and i can't figure out how to stop it from suspending when i close the lid
14:23<martingale>it has gnome
14:23<Ryccardo>gnome... checked the power settings?
14:23<martingale>i changed the setting using gnome-tweak-tool, but even after a reboot they don't apply
14:23<martingale>power settings doesn't have any lid close options
14:23<martingale>only gnome-tweak tool
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14:24<Ryccardo>(they dumbed down even this?) you might also have to deal with acpid then
14:27<fr33domlover>martingale, Ryccardo, I run wheezy and I managed to prevent suspension once
14:27<fr33domlover>but it also may be due to bad support in the kernel for the specific laptop or something
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14:28<fr33domlover>(not saying it wasn't removed from GNOME, but at least in 3.4 it seems to exist)
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14:31<somiaj>on my laptop it appears the event is in /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn and it runs the script /etc/acpi/lid.sh when that button is pressed
14:32<somiaj>you could change /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn and change the action to nothing or what ever you want
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14:35<martingale>when i wasnt using gnome i never had this problem
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14:42<martingale>i changed lid.sh to just exit 0 but it still suspends on lid close
14:43<dondelelcaro>martingale: are you using systemd?
14:43<martingale>i'm whatever the default that came with wheezy net install uses
14:44<martingale>(i don't think that is systemd)
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14:45<martingale>i suppose i can just install a different desktop environment....
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14:46<dondelelcaro>ah; yeah, it's not
14:46<fr33domlover>martingale, maybe ask on GNOME channels and/or see bugs in bugzilla
14:47<fr33domlover>(maybe you can just install XFCE's power manager in parallel)
14:47<refdoc>Hi, I am trying to set up an encrypted home directory with ecryptfs and fail miserably with an error message, which I can not find out anything useful from google
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14:48<refdoc>chown: cannot access ‘/dev/shm/.ecryptfs-dummy’: No such file or directory
14:48<refdoc>mount: No such file or directory
14:48<refdoc>ERROR: Could not mount
14:49<refdoc>I used "sudo ecryptfs-migrate-home -u dummy" for my dummy user which I wanted to encrypt.
14:49<martingale>okay i just installed i3 (my usual wm) and that fixed the problem
14:50<refdoc>this is the tutorial i used https://wiki.debian.org/TransparentEncryptionForHomeFolder
14:50<refdoc>does anyone have any clever idea to help me?
14:50<martingale>honestly i would have hoped that making a webserver wouldn't be so difficult in the default install
14:51<martingale>oh well, i like i3 better anyway
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15:00<antoniodmora>is still Simple-CDD supported?
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15:49<txomon|home>anyone has figured out a *permanent* solution for debian crashing?
15:49<txomon|home>chromium*
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15:49<txomon|home>the pepperflash plugin part one
15:49<txomon|home>in stable
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15:58<dutchfish>txomon|home, first, you are barking at the wrong tree. There is no definitive solution from the makers of that software. Apperently, they are focused on debian-like systems. However the workaround of patching 2 bytes still works
16:00<dutchfish>txomon|home, the only thing left to do is, report it at the makers.
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16:01<dutchfish>txomon|home, and left and not least, don't downgrade pepperflash; either disable it at all or patch it. Older versions are unsafe.
16:02<dutchfish>(just my 2 cents)
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16:04<dutchfish>txomon|home, you can disable it in chrome://plugins
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16:25<mangas>hi, is it possible to get a runlevel similar to red hat runlevel 3 where you get all the network services etc without starting X ?
16:26<Ryccardo>you could disable/uninstall graphical login, not sure about being able to choose on demand
16:26<Ryccardo>(well, if you use sysvinit you can define runlevels, of course)
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16:27<mangas>Ryccardo, sorry I meant out-of-the-box
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16:28<Ryccardo>..."don't select debian desktop in the installer" is the closest premade thing you can get
16:28<mangas>Ryccardo, ok I understand, thanks
16:29<mrjiggles>I'm having trouble getting my epson stylus nx420 printer/scanner to work with sane ... I have my user in the scanner group and I have saned/cups running ... the printer itself works fine, it's just that simplescan and xsane don't recognize the printers
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16:30<mrjiggles>I have epson driver uncommented in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf (I also tried epson2)
16:31<Ryccardo>mangas: but if you can reasonably understand the expert installer without help, disabling a service isn't hard :)
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16:33<mangas>Ryccardo, yeah I have the system already installed and I'm doing a dist-upgrade that wasn't giving me a lot of trouble and I was wandering if there was an option to shutdown all the graphic parts just to make sure that I wasn't doing something wrong
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16:34<Ryccardo>mangas: ahhhh, just until you reboot? `service {lightdm|whatever} stop`
16:34<mangas>and since I'm new to Debian and very used to Fedora / CentOS I was searching the traditional runlevel 3 which I found non-existent in debian
16:35<mangas>Ryccardo, yeah, in rpms you can just do init 3
16:35<mangas>to do that
16:35<mangas>the runlevel is pre-configured
16:35<Ryccardo>according to a live cd I was given in 2003, Debian used to have "correct" runlevels like you want
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16:36<mrjiggles>What could be causing the printer to be working fine, but the scanner not to be recognized?
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16:38<mangas>Ryccardo, I have to go, thanks for your help :)
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16:45<mrjiggles>I have a USB stick (formatted FAT32) that nautilus is automounting read-only ... I have removed the lines from /etc/fstab that look like --> /dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0
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16:46<mrjiggles>how can I make it read/write
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17:01<avtobiff>mrjiggles, does it have a button for enabling/disabling it writeable?
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17:08<tweakism>Is there a difference between / Does the order have any effect, between: "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main contrib non-free" "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates main non-free contrib" (sources.list) ?
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17:09<Ryccardo>nope (actual install order goes by pinning priority -- the number you see in `apt-cache policy something` -- and version)
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17:14<mrjiggles>avtobiff, If you're talking about a switch on the device itself, no
17:15<avtobiff>mrjiggles, what happens if you unmount it and then mount it in a terminal with "mount" ?
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17:16<avtobiff>mrjiggles, regarding printer/scanner. drivers. packages. try installing xsane and drivers for your scanner/printer.
17:16<avtobiff>i have to go to bed now. bye.
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17:36<canaima>caracteristicas del globo terraqueo
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17:51<wind0>hi all, running Debian 7.6 LXDE and am having problems finding info on this issue: when trying to reboot from the GUI logout menu, I am prompted for root password - I have about 1 - 2 seconds to type it in before the prompt disappears. where is this configured and/or how can i remove the password requirement? i'm surprised I haven't found anything discussing this with google yet
17:51<Ryccardo>sounds like another policykit problem
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17:56<wind0>I see policykit authentication agent unchecked in desktop session settings
17:56<wind0>no difference when checking it
17:56<Ryccardo>do you use graphical login?
17:57<wind0>i guess for now i'll either type in the password super-fast or use shutdown on a tty
17:57<wind0>yes, graphical
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17:57<Ryccardo>hmmm, it should allegedly make sure your session is active
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18:12<wind0>Ryccardo, your policykit assumption seems to be accurate ... adding "<allow_active>yes</allow_active>" in two places in my /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.consolekit.policy file has removed the password requirement for reboot - (i found this site: http://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/929) ... now I see an error stating that an authentication agent already exists for the given subject when I login... I'm going to try to
18:12<wind0> remove one of the "yes" lines and see what happens
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18:29<fr33domlover>Is there a mailing list on which I can offer a new package based on initial work I did?
18:29<PovAddict>file an ITP bug?
18:30<PovAddict>(Itent To Package)
18:30<PovAddict>intent*
18:30<fr33domlover>I don't think I can make the package myself right now
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18:30<fr33domlover>But I'd like to suggest it
18:30<fr33domlover>(it requires a bit of work for Debian standard etc.)
18:31<devil>fr33domlover: #debian-mentors might be the place to go
18:32<fr33domlover>devil, thanks
18:32<sysvalve>fr33domlover: maybe an RFP?
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18:33<fr33domlover>sysvalve, it's simply a cron-job script for mail servers that loops through the Linux users and aggregates mail from their various external accounts into the local server inbox
18:33<fr33domlover>Maybe it already exists...
18:34<fr33domlover>I just run mpop and msmtp from a shell script XD
18:34<sysvalve>fr33domlover: in that case, it seems like "i want to make a package for my internal tools"
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18:35<sysvalve>I think that you can follow how to do that using tutorials and reading some docs :)
18:35<sysvalve>if you don't want official-debian-quality, it's quite easy
18:35<fr33domlover>sysvalve, any mail server, especialy a small one, can enjoy this script. So I do want it official (I already have it non-official)
18:36<fr33domlover>I'll just read a bit, ask for help if I need
18:36<fr33domlover>But I'd also like to suggest is so someone more experienced and interested can get it done faster than I can
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18:39<sysvalve>fr33domlover: then, #debian-mentors :)
18:40<sysvalve>as devil suggested before
18:40<fr33domlover>indeed
18:40<fr33domlover>:-)
18:42<Marillion>pop3 is deprecated, you want imap :)
18:44<PovAddict>pop3 is for the era when the mail metaphor was followed more closely
18:44<PovAddict>such as server-side mailboxes that could fit as much email as physical mailboxes :P
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18:45<Marillion>imap supported offline reading too :P
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18:58<fr33domlover>Marillion, I use mpop to fetch mail from many accounts and push into a single one, from which I read with IMAP
18:58<fr33domlover>the fetching can use POP. In case IMAP is needed instead, there's getmail
18:58<fr33domlover>I chose mpop as default because it's small
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19:00<fr33domlover>PovAddict, ^
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19:00<fr33domlover>to be honest I've been using only POP for long time: download all the mail and delete from the server to save their space
19:01<fr33domlover>(so I had a problem with reading mail when not at home... until I installed a mail server at home)
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19:12<Marillion>fr33domlover: anyway, is your decision, anyone like red another one like green :)
19:13<fr33domlover>Marillion, sure. When using just POP features, it's not a big different. Maybe POP is even better then, since the server doesn't need to prepare for more than one simultaneous client => more simple protocol
19:14<fr33domlover>But for the human end-user, no doubt IMAP is more powerful
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19:21<wind0>my $0.02: IMAP: awesome to see sent items from all devices/machines. POP3: nice because email is not marked as read until read on that particular device/machine
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19:33<fr33domlover>wind0, a smart mail client can solve the mark-as-read problem
19:34<fr33domlover>by intentionally not sending info to the server
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19:36<fr33domlover>hmmm but I can't find such an option in my client :)
19:36<wind0>fr33domlover, unfortunately I use several that don't
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19:36<fr33domlover>It can be a nice feature to suggest
19:36<wind0>touchdown for android has it.
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19:37<wind0>i still find blackberry better for email overall - however it does not support it.
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20:53<sqpp>Hey Guys
20:53<sqpp>Anybody could help me with cron error?
20:55<sqpp>./cron.php: line 1: ?: No such file or directory
20:55<sqpp>./cron.php: line 2: [SERVER_NAME]: command not found
20:55<sqpp>./cron.php: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `"config.php"
20:55<sqpp>./cron.php: line 3: `require_once("config.php");'
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21:14<k-man>i have gone from having mediawiki set up as a debian package to installing it manually myself. but somehomw i stuffed up and debian still thinks its installed, so whenever I do an apt-get install, it tries to run some configure script for mediawiki
21:14<k-man>any idea how i might safely tell the apt system to stop trying to do anything with mediawiki?
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21:17<somiaj>k-man: you can remove the packages completly with apt-get remove. If you must have mediawiki installed for other dependencies you can look into equivs which will make dpkg think you have it installed but use the local version instead
21:17<somiaj>!equivs
21:17<dpkg>equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
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21:19<k-man>thanks somiaj
21:19<k-man>ah - remove doesn't delete any config files does it? I was forgetting that
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21:21<somiaj>rmove doesn't purge does
21:21<k-man>yes, thanks for confirming
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21:53<husein>Hello everybody ?
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22:48<electro01>hola
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22:55<Ayee>Holitas a todos
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22:57<Ayee>:c
22:57<Ayee>no me saludan ok.
22:57<Ayee>jsjs
22:57<Ayee>ksd
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