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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-10-16

---Logopened Thu Oct 16 00:00:00 2014
---Daychanged Thu Oct 16 2014
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00:02<somiaj>twb: http://www.linux-usb.org/usb-ids.html is what google gave me
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00:05<twb>thanks
00:05<somiaj>looks like you may have to write a quick script to manually parse the text file they give you though, I didn't see a lookup tool
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00:06<twb>mattcen also said 15:01 <mattcen> https://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/USB 15:01 <mattcen> update-usbids 15:05 <mattcen> http://www.linux-usb.org/usb.ids
00:06<twb>(in secret work channel)
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00:13<Dant>xaxa
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00:14<Dant>thank for this
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00:15<himi>good night everyone ^^
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00:21<asd>hello
00:22<asd>im getting trouble in the select and install software in wheezy 7.6
00:22<asd>can someone helpme
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01:52<espadas>hola
01:52<espadas>alguien por aca
01:52<twb>!es
01:52<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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02:04<alfa>ports that must be opened for remote mitm?
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04:05<rahul>drupal 7 i am creating a custom block for that i need to write description for custom block
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04:11<jalalsfs>"Access denied to /media/usb0/New Folder."
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04:13<jalalsfs>Okay, I comment the line in /etc/fstab and now it's okay.
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05:13<berto>can anyone say an example of an arch: all package that should NOT be multi-arch: foreign?
05:13<berto>https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation#Multi-Arch:_foreign_support_packages
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05:31<diego>salve
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05:42<babylon>goodmorning debian gurus :) i need some advice from a hdd encryption specialist!
05:42<babylon>i have just re-installed my netbook with luks+lvm encryption and all works fine but i have some meaningless warnings during boot which i would like to avoid
05:43<babylon>http://tinypic.com/r/2nqbgwk/8 this pic shows it, it seems like my grub setup and boot parameters are first looking for a non-encrypted LVM instead of directly looking for the encrypted LVM and asking the passphrase
05:43<babylon>any idea how to solve this? thanks in advance
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05:44<babylon>i want to have the kernel booting and asking directly the passphrase for the encrypted volume group. i am sure it's doable but i don't know how
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06:12<davls82>Hi all
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06:33<mads>Hi there. First time debain user. i have installed debian with Gnome (3?) but lots of stuff are missing or don't work. and i somehow got the language wrong. can i reinstall gnome desktop env.
06:33<jm_>you can change default locale
06:34<jm_>see https://wiki.debian.org/Locale
06:34<mads>jm_ It is one of the things that don't work
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06:35<jm_>mads: dpkg-reconfigure doesn't work? how so?
06:35<mads>i cannot install new languages, and if i try to change it just goea right back to default
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06:35<jm_>change it where?
06:35<mads>jm_ have not ried dpkg-reconfigure. will asap
06:36<jm_>mads: better read the wiki page first
06:36<mads>jm_ what package to reconfigure?
06:36<mads>jm_ gnome?
06:36<jm_>mads: no, the wiki page tells you
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06:40<mads>jm_ Was hoping not to read lots. ;-) reintall is easier then.
06:40<mads>jm_ thanks for the help.
06:41<jm_>mads: ugh it's very little text to read
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06:42<mads>jm_ i already skimmed the wiki. before asking here. but thanks.
06:43<jm_>mads: so did you configure locales you want to use and set the default?
06:43<Slydder>hey all. I am looking for a daemon util that will alert me to changes made to certain files only. has to be able to monitor recursively and only certain extension (ie. .php, .pl etc). I am currently looking at auditd, fileschanged, iwatch and incron. anyone have any others?
06:44<mads>jm_ everything language related seems to be broken. i think that i might do a reinstallation.
06:44<jm_>mads: broken how? well it's your choice, either fix it or reinstall if you think you won't break it again
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06:45<mads>I cannot add or change language.
06:45<mads>jm_ have to log out now. thanks.
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06:46<peter1138>What's the magic bot command to see if a package can be backported simply?
06:47<jm_>it's ",check-backports"
06:48<peter1138>Hmm, to a specific bot or does it have to be on channel?
06:48<jm_>, is to trigger the specific bot :), or /msg judd
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06:49<peter1138>Ok, thanks, although it's check-backport :)
06:50<jm_>you're right, sorry
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07:10<rpetre>babylon: this looks ok
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07:11<rpetre>it's trying to open the device, and if it's not present, tries to decrypt luks volumes and reattempt
07:11<rpetre>do you need to do anything else other than entering the passphrase?
07:12<babylon>no, but it should be possible to ask directly for the passphrase without trying to open it first
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07:12<babylon>it seems to be related with your grub.cfg setup but I cannot figure it out apparently
07:12<babylon>arch linux has info on its forum and wiki
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08:21<magikalex>Hi, i'm currently stucked with a preseed problem, while using the 'debian-7.6.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso' for install.. whereas the 'debian-7.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso' just run like a charm... Please see http://paste.debian.net/127157
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09:07<babylon>is a swap partition still required these days?
09:07<muep>I do recall it ever having been absolutely required
09:08<slavab>it required for hibernation
09:08<muep>sure, some specific things have required it
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09:14<babylon>can i have swap inside my root partition?
09:15<babylon>basically no separate partition for swap
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09:18<ratcheer>babylon: Yes, you can have a swap file in a normal partition
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09:20<petn-randall>babylon: I don't recommend that, though, since it causes problems with hibernation, which is the single best argument to have swap in the first place.
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09:21<ratcheer>I think a swap partition is easier to manage, anyway
09:22<petn-randall>LVM and swap on top.
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09:31<babylon>petn-randall, i am looking for an easy manageable way to encrypt my hdd
09:31<babylon>i do not like the LVM thing
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09:32<babylon>so i am looking in manually encrypting my home partition but it seems i need to encrypt swap too
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09:33<petn-randall>babylon: LVM is great because you can resize partitions, and snapshot them. It's a greate supporting feature for backup purposes.
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09:35<petn-randall>babylon: My recommended setup is: LUKS > LVM > partitions. You will need a small /boot partition to boot the kernel from. The rest goes into a LUKS container, and you can freely arrange the partitions via LVM.
09:35<petn-randall>babylon: For my personal laptop I have / and /home on separate partitions.
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09:40<babylon>petn-randall, do you have similar message when booting your laptop? http://tinypic.com/r/2nqbgwk/8
09:41<babylon>when I use Luks+LVM it first try to load is as unencrypted volume group
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09:45<petn-randall>babylon: I think I fixed it on mine, but that's nothing to worry about. I just doesn't find the VG to use as root yet.
09:45<MissFloss>is this oficial debian irc?
09:46<babylon>petn-randall, well it annoys me :) do you know how you fixed it? can you post your /boot/grub/grub.cfg in http://paste.debian.net/ ?
09:46<babylon>i think it is my grub menu entry which is not correctly updated
09:46<MissFloss>were do i ote for Miss opensource contest?
09:46<petn-randall>babylon: I'll check it later, still at work.
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09:46<babylon>thanks petn-randall
09:46<MissFloss>vote*
09:47<petn-randall>MissFloss: This is the Debian support channel, yes. Where did hear from a contest?
09:47<petn-randall>+you
09:47<MissFloss>http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/791759-women-in-open-source-award-open-for-nominations
09:48<MissFloss>will the prse be an oscarina?
09:49<MissFloss>prize*
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09:49<babylon>MissFloss, you should ask the Linux Foundation
09:50<petn-randall>MissFloss: It's a Redhat thing, see http://www.redhat.com/en/about/women-in-open-source
09:50<MissFloss>OF Topic Chat
09:51<MissFloss>thats what OFTC stands for?
09:51<MissFloss>women look nice under a red hat
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09:52<OdyX>MissFloss: OFTC is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFTC but you could've found that by yourself, I'm sure.
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09:55<helmut_>hi
09:55<MissFloss>is red hat better distro then debian? since redhat asks for money.
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09:56<MissFloss>i recon they ask you for money so they can fix your boxes remotelly?
09:56<OdyX>MissFloss: That depends on your definition of "better".
09:56<MissFloss>there usually a comon denominator for better
09:57<OdyX>MissFloss: they offer services around RedHat instances. But that's offtopic for here; Debian has a disorganized network of consultants.
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09:59<MissFloss>is this irc network safe from port knocking hack?
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10:01<babylon>no idea what the port knocking hack impliesn, but all is safe until it is hacked.
10:02<Kanteran>Hi
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10:04<blast007>MissFloss: nothing is 100% safe
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10:09<Kanteran>can I run debian on a MacBook ?
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10:10<alfa>OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server hello A: sslv3 alert handshake failure helpme
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10:11<Kanteran>???
10:11<alfa>in armitage scan
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10:12<Apollo>Kanteran: yes
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10:12<alfa>i scan 132blabla and result OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server hello A: sslv3 alert handshake failure helpme
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10:13<Kanteran>LoL
10:13<Apollo>alfa: you really need to give more context
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10:14<Kanteran>Apollo: are there any known errors ?
10:14<Apollo>https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook
10:16<Kanteran>Apollo: can I ask you about your private meaning ?
10:16<alfa>imed out while executing 'use scanner/http/http_version' last read = {data=, busy=false, prompt=msf auxiliary(http_version) > }; current prompt = 'msf auxiliary(http_version) > '
10:16-!-alfa was kicked from #debian by debhelper [flood. Please use http://paste.debian.net instead.]
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10:16<Apollo>Kanteran: what?
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10:17<Kanteran>Apollo: Do you like Macs ?
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10:19<Kanteran>I like to buy a new Laptop and I have a really good offer for a MacBook
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10:19<Kanteran>My English isn`t really good sorry
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10:21<alfa>lol
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10:21<Kanteran>Apollo: At the moment I have only a weak Netbook
10:21<alfa>my error Timed out while executing 'use scanner/http/http_version' last read =
10:21<Apollo>I really don't care, and don't have the time to get into it
10:21<Apollo>alfa: use paste.debian.net
10:22<alfa>ok
10:22<Kanteran>Apollo: Thanks for the link
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10:24<alfa>ok i have send
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10:25<Kanteran>alfa: what do you check ?
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10:26<alfa>scan of armitage http does not work
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10:27<Kanteran>alfa: Ok I don`t know this check
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10:28<alfa>ok
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10:30<Kanteran>alfa: armitage is a hack right ?
10:30<alfa>yes
10:30<Kanteran>alfa: what does it ?
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11:40<Ryccardo>is putting contrib and non-free in security.debian.org useful?
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11:41<dondelelcaro>Ryccardo: yes
11:42<dondelelcaro>Ryccardo: though sometimes not very useful; we don't necessarily get security updates for things in contrib and non-free, but it could potentially happen.
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11:42<Ryccardo>that line from the faq (that I don't remember being there last year) was indeed why I asked
11:43<dondelelcaro>Ryccardo: which line?
11:43<dondelelcaro>(or at least, which faq?)
11:43<Ryccardo>Q: How is security handled for contrib and non-free?
11:43<Ryccardo>A: The short answer is: it's not. Contrib and non-free aren't official parts of the Debian Distribution and are not released, and thus not supported by the security team.
11:43<Ryccardo>https://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing
11:44<dondelelcaro>Ryccardo: right; the last sentence in that bit is why you probably want to include them
11:44<dondelelcaro>Ryccardo: but you shouldn't expect contrib and non-free packages to have security updates
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12:43<Yatekii>hey guys
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12:45<Yatekii>hmm guys some mates told me to use debian sid ... what obtions do I have?
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12:46<babylon>debian stable (wheezy)
12:46<babylon>debian testing (jessie)
12:46<Ryccardo>if you're sure you want to do that (main downside: you might not be able to install it -or some package- at a given time due to unpackaged dependencies)...
12:46<babylon>debian experimental (sid)
12:46<babylon>use debian wheezy if you have to question why
12:47<Maulkin>babylon: nope, debian unstable is sid.
12:47<Maulkin>Experimental is really not something you should use.
12:47<babylon>ok
12:47<Maulkin>(And probably not unstable either...)
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12:47<Ryccardo>...do an "expert install" with the installer for stable, at the "select and install software" only choose "standard system utilities", after installing edit /etc/apt/sources.list, `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade`
12:50<Yatekii>well
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12:51<Yatekii>I don't want a distro that's too far behind, I would apreciate rolling release and I don't mind one or another bug ...
12:51<Ryccardo>jessie is it, then
12:52<Yatekii>debian has no RR aight? like from time to time I have to upgrade?
12:52<Ryccardo>same instructions as above (there is a testing installer but it has its own bugs)
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13:28<babylon>petn-randall: hi, are you home already? just a friendly reminder for a copy of your menuentry in /boot/grub/grub.cfg :)
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13:41<mlh85386>Hello,
13:41<mlh85386>is there somebody online who is familiar with the textbrowser w3m? I'm about to translate the english documentation into german. I would need an explanation to a setting "Treat argument without scheme as URL" connected to a parameter argv_is_url=<bool> . In the tests I made so far, I saw no differendes between
13:41<mlh85386>w3m -o argv_is_url=0 URI and w3m -o argv_is_url=1 URI
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13:42<dualbus>mlh85386: try with URI = www.google.com
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13:42<dualbus>scheme is the http(s):// part of the URI, so, if you're using that, of course you won't see differences
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13:44<Yatekii>hmm Ryccardo kk I just don't like to setup my whole OS from new again :) QuestioN: there is Debian install cd 1 2 and 3 ... each approx. 4gb of size ... do I need all 3 (12gb? oO) or just one ... whcih one is right?
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13:45<mlh85386>dualbus:
13:45<mlh85386>result was negative:
13:45<mlh85386>$ w3m -o argv_is_url=1 www.google.com
13:45<mlh85386>w3m: Can't load www.google.com.
13:45<mlh85386>$ w3m -o argv_is_url=0 www.google.com
13:45<mlh85386>w3m: Can't load www.google.com.
13:45<mtn>Yatekii: disk 1 is enough, or get a netinstall
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13:46<Yatekii>mtn so di I get disk 1 2 or 3?
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13:46<mtn>Yatekii: don't need them if you have an internet connection. they just have extra software
13:46<Yatekii>kk
13:47<Yatekii>hmm can I select jessie uppon install or do I have to select the right image?
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13:47<Yatekii>and does debian bring kde with it or would you do a non graphical install and then install it through apt?
13:49<mtn>!tell Yatekii about testing
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13:49<nagios>hey
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13:55<nagios>I'm having a problem, I need to redirect a port on my server so that requests that come to a specific IP get redirected the other IP
13:57<nagios>both IPs are on the same machine
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14:20<mlh85386>Hello,
14:20<mlh85386>I found out what the mentioned w3m option is good for. It must be set to TRUE in a case where the name of a local file and a special position within this file is the target by using the caret. E.g.
14:20<mlh85386>$ w3m -o argv_is_url=0 140128.html#_a1
14:20<mlh85386>w3m: Can't load 140128.html#_a1.
14:20<mlh85386>$ w3m -o argv_is_url=1 140128.html#_a1
14:20<mlh85386>[File is shown by w3m]
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14:25<viccuad>guys, is that last GR goind to the system? this one? https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2014/10/msg00001.html
14:29<dualbus>mlh85386: in my case it did load in when 1, with www.google.com
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14:34<mlh85386>dualbus: simple addresses like www.google.com are no problem. w3m has a setting which transforms the string to http://www.google.com. The problem arises if you want to see a local file in w3m at some anchor point. There you have the caret-sign and a the name of to anchor point appended. Without argv_is_url=1, you'll get "Can't load"
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14:40<dualbus>mlh85386: you said that the result was negative, that's not what I see here (i.e. you couldn't load www.google.com with the setting in 1, according to what you pasted)
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14:50<mlh85386>dualbus: result was negative in the sense that there was no difference whether the option argv_is_url was set to 0 or to 1:
14:50<mlh85386> $ w3m -o argv_is_url=1 www.google.com
14:50<mlh85386> w3m: Can't load www.google.com.
14:50<mlh85386> $ w3m -o argv_is_url=0 www.google.com
14:50<mlh85386> w3m: Can't load www.google.com.
14:50<mlh85386>w3m allows to omit the http:// of http://www.google.com. Your w3m is configurated in this way, but I had another, quite special problem, Thanks
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14:52<dualbus>dualbus@hp ~ % w3m -dump -o argv_is_url=1 www.google.com|wc -l
14:52<dualbus>20
14:52<dualbus>mlh85386: that's with 1
14:52<dualbus>dualbus@hp ~ % w3m -dump -o argv_is_url=0 www.google.com|wc -l
14:52<dualbus>w3m: Can't load www.google.com.
14:52<dualbus>0
14:52<dualbus>with 0
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15:04<Virginia21> Watch Me Suck Real Big Dick On My Site http://tinyurl.com/oh6t4o2
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15:07<mlh85386>dualbus: would you repeat the last test with a blank space between www.google.com and the pipe sign | ?
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15:10<hugh>Hi
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15:10<hugh>I've just installed Debian, and my speakers aren't working!
15:11<dualbus>mlh85386: uh, you don't know shell syntax right? the pipe is a syntactical character, the shell breaks the command at that point
15:11<dualbus>spaces are not important
15:11<hugh>can anyone help me? I'm not sure where to begin..
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15:12<dualbus>hugh: I'd run 'sudo alsamixer' and check that the Master channel isn't muted (it has to show an OO, not an MM)
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15:12<mtn>dualbus: usuall troubleshooting for sound: alsamixer, sound settings in menu, pavucontrol
15:13<hugh>it shows '00'
15:13<mtn>dualbus: sorry, was meant for hugh
15:13<mtn>hugh: usual troubleshooting for sound: alsamixer, sound settings in menu, pavucontrol
15:13<hugh>in the sound settings menu, the speakers don't appear. They're USB so should register as their own device
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15:15<mlh85386>dualbus: You are right. Thank you.
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15:16<mtn>hugh: https://wiki.debian.org/SoundFAQ
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15:18<hugh>my speakers should appear as 'MM-1' in alsamixer (I've had them working on a previous installation)
15:18<hugh>the only devices visible are built in audio and HDMI.
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15:29<Ryccardo>previous installation... of Debian?
15:30<ompaul>woody?
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15:44<Yatekii>hmm guys, I installed Debian and strangely enough it told me there is no efi partition found even tho the flag was set as "EFI partition" and after finishing the installation it told to restart and remove the bootmedium. I rebooted and selected "Debian (finish installation)" or sth similar but it tells me that the file: /g2ldr.mbr is missing :S what am I doing wrong? :S
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15:44<Yatekii>I guess I fckd up with MBR and GPT
15:44<Ryccardo>"the flag"? using parted?
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15:50<hugh>@ryccardo - I had them working on Debian, on my laptop. That partition has since been wiped.
15:52<Ryccardo>well, that's the 2nd stage GRUB-pc (MBR) bootloader, so it was trying to install the non-EFI version (and failing because it'd normally be wedged in the sector 513-2047 gap -used by GPT- or in a nonexisting "BIOS boot partition")
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15:58<Yatekii>Ryccardo: how can I make it use efi and GPT
15:59<Yatekii>I just used the debian graphical install
15:59<Yatekii>couldn't choose between efi and grub :S
15:59<Yatekii>should I go advanced install
15:59<Yatekii>with console gui?
15:59<Yatekii>np for me, I just thought graphical was easier
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15:59<Ryccardo>Yatekii: that's automatically chosen depending on whether the installer boots in classic or efi mode
16:00<Ryccardo>if at the partitioning stage you can go to the efi partition and set "EFI" as the filesystem, it's in efi mode
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16:03<Yatekii>Ryccardo: ther is no way it wouldn't use efi
16:03<Yatekii>I have UEFI on my mobo
16:04<Yatekii>and I used it's ui to select my bootstick
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16:59<bonjurkes>I have started to get this warning on my raspbian recently WARNING: could not determine runlevel - doing soft reboot
16:59<bonjurkes>actually I havent changed anything, and proc is mounted inside /etc/fstab , so I don't know what can be the reason of this warning
17:00<mtn>!raspbian
17:00<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
17:00<bonjurkes>meh
17:00<bonjurkes>thanks mtn
17:00<mtn>bonjurkes: welcome
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17:27<Yatekii>hmm I now started debian which worked but then after the boot log screen turned and stayed black with an underscore blinking
17:27<Yatekii>I then rebooted and started in recovery mode which brought me to the console
17:28<Yatekii>dunno why there is no desktop environment :(
17:28<Yatekii>(I instlled through expert mode)
17:28<Yatekii>because it failed to install for efi on normal mode
17:28<Yatekii>I want kde ... gotta find out how
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17:35<rryoumaa>Yatekii: iirc there was a top level option for choosing desktop, then you select the desktop task (or don't deselect it) in the dselect thingie. dunno why you have to select desktop at top level.
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17:36<Yatekii>rryoumaa: I didn't
17:36<Ryccardo>rryoumaa: because for some reason selecting which desktop wasn't in the tasksel interactive configuration (it's there in jessie beta 2 installer)
17:36<rryoumaa>tasksel*
17:36<Yatekii>it tried to get that desktop running on boot
17:36<Yatekii>but then failed I guess
17:37<Yatekii>and anyways, I couldn't even choose that desktop I want :S
17:37<Yatekii>and I don't want gnome or anything
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17:38<Yatekii>well I dl jessie 2 now
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17:39<Yatekii>gotta find out how to do a bootstick with win tho
17:39<Ryccardo>that installer has other things broken though
17:39<Ryccardo>dd, of course
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17:39<Ryccardo>http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
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17:41<Ryccardo>Yatekii: with that installer beta, you'll get a "no kernels available" error and you'll have to `chroot /target apt-get install linux-image-[version]` before the install grub step, fyi
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17:42<Yatekii>Ryccardo: how do I get a shell there? :S
17:42<Ryccardo>alt+(f2 or f3)
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17:43<Yatekii>ahhh I am dumb
17:43<Yatekii>sure
17:43<Yatekii>tks
17:44<Yatekii>do I really need to chroot into /target or the correspondant sda?
17:44<Yatekii>and what linux version would you advise?
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17:45<Ryccardo>after partitioning and before "finish the installation", the future OS's root and everything else is mounted on /target
17:45<Yatekii>kk
17:46<Ryccardo>for the other question, the likely only one that's included in the installer image
17:46<Yatekii>in gentoo it was /mnt/gentoo :D
17:46<Yatekii>Ryccardo: can I find out which one it is if it tells me no kernel available?
17:47<Ryccardo>you could search files in the iso beforehand or just use the metapackage linux-image
17:48<Yatekii>ohwell lemme se if I can open that with win base install :D
17:48<Yatekii>tks a lot
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17:52<Yatekii>Ryccardo: one question more :S when can I choose what desktop I want to use? because as I said, last time, I wasnt given that option ...
17:53<Ryccardo>in the beta 2 installer, after "select and install software"; in the regular ones, there's just a "Debian desktop environment" that installs Gnome...
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17:54<Ryccardo>...unless you select "desktop environment menu" when you can choose classic/gui/expert installer
17:54<Ryccardo>(only on DVD version)
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17:55<Yatekii>Ryccardo: ahhh
17:55<Yatekii>no I don't want gnome
17:55<Yatekii>no way I want that :S
17:56<Ryccardo>;)
17:56<Yatekii>so I gotta do normal non gui install and then install kde
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17:56<Ryccardo>depends on whether you're using the cd or the dvd iso
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17:56<Ryccardo>but yes, that's an universal option too
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17:58<Yatekii>the cd
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17:58<Yatekii>haven't got a stick sized big enough :)
17:58<Yatekii>ok brb installing deb
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18:42<cbang>Does anyone happen to know if the most recent version of Chrome that addresses the Flash issue (38.0.2125.104-1) is out for Chromium?
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18:45<devil_>cbang: works fine here
18:45<devil_>cbang: oh, chromium, don't know then
18:46<devil_>fed up with their games, using plain chrome here
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18:49<cbang>Screw it, me too haha
18:49<cbang>Thanks devil_
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19:42<imperia>is there a way to mount cifs shares without the need to install the whole samba and its 56mb of dependancies?
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19:43<somiaj>imperia: I belive so, you just need the client, while samba is the server. one second
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19:43<somiaj>imperia: look at teh package cifs-utils
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19:45<imperia>cifs-utils is 56mb.. it installs samba and all.. i think there was some module before ?!
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19:47<somiaj>imperia: are you sure, cifs-utils only depends on samba-common and will probabaly bring in samba-common-bin via recomends but still doesn't look like each package is more than a mb
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19:50<somiaj>looks like it is the winbind dependency that is the large one
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19:51<imperia>yes. at least that is for jessie.. should i ask in #debian-next? if you can confirm for stable
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19:52<somiaj>I'm in a wheezy chroot right now, but yea it appears that winbind is used for authentication/lookup/etc is the depend that takes up the space.
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19:53<somiaj>winbind is just a recomends though, apt-get --no-install-recommends install cifs-utils -- 408 kB. Usually you need recomends so not sure if you can authenticate with the share without winbind
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19:58<imperia>1,185 kB
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19:59<somiaj>I'm just saying what it needed to install a wheezy_chroot I have laying around to compile stuff
19:59<imperia>i know. i mean.. i wonder if it will work without winbind
19:59<somiaj>but you'll have to test it out. Policy says you most likely want recomended packages and you may need it for authentication. Though sometimes I find matainers make a package a recomended when it should be a suggested.
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20:00<awal>twb, do you solved your issue with backlight after upgrading to the kernel in backports?
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20:02<imperia>somiaj: it works. thanks.
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20:29<bjb>a openssl update has just been published, 1.0.1e-2+deb7u13, the debian security email says "This update adds support for Fallback SCSV to mitigate this issue." and this site shows "not vulnerable" for this version: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openssl. Does that mean I can turn on SSLv3 on my web site again?
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20:31<bjb>If yes ... does that mean the protocol is not fully standard any more?
20:31<bjb>I mean, the implementation of the protocol. I understood the protocol itself was vulnerable
20:32<centrx>bjb, It fixes the known exploits, but SSLv3 is known to be weak and should be eliminated
20:34<somiaj>https://scotthelme.co.uk/sslv3-goes-to-the-dogs-poodle-kills-off-protocol/ -- I thought the is there another way description on the end was nice
20:35<somiaj>but if you don't think you have any clients usng sslv3 I would keep it turned off
20:35<bjb>thanks centrx, somiaj
20:35<somiaj>". Even then, it doesn't actually resolve the POODLE vulnerability, it just means that clients and servers can continue to support SSLv3 where absolutely needed without exposing everyone to the same risk."
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20:39<bjb>my friend analyzed his logs, he had 1.4% using SSLv3 and .05 % using SSLv2 (!) .3 % using "unknown", whatever that means.
20:42<somiaj>wonder if you could detect sslv3 and redirect them to instructions to using a better browser
20:43<rjsalts>somiaj: you can do a mod_rewrite condition in apache for that
20:46<rjsalts>RewriteCond %{ENV:SSL_PROTOCOL} SSLv3 ...
20:47<rjsalts>or %{SSL:SSL_PROTOCOL}
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20:48<rjsalts>but that still won't prevent someone stealing session cookies
20:49<rjsalts>in poodle attack
20:51<rjsalts>correct fix is definitely setting the minimum tls version in browser to TLS 1.0
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