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---Logopened Thu Oct 30 00:00:11 2014
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00:00<selenia>unetbootin did work for Debian but I remember you had to be careful with some options. The unfortunate part is this was years ago, so I forget which options
00:01<sleser>unetbootin only wants rootpassword
00:02<somiaj>sleser: as I said, jsut copy the image to the device (not to the file system) debian isos are designed to do this. if your usb device is /dev/sdc then 'cp debian.iso /dev/sdc' wait till that is done, plugit in the machine and it will boot
00:02<Zeus_>I'm not sure if I should just follow your advice and fix it from a live boot
00:02<Zeus_>or just delete it and re-install it from a jessie install by default
00:02<Zeus_>as that IS my issue after all
00:03<somiaj>unetbootin can mess up debian iso because it tries to make the device bootable, well debian .isos are already designed to be bootable so just copy them to the usb device and it is done
00:03<sleser>somiaj ill try this
00:03<somiaj>Zeus_: please keep the discussion in #debian-next I'm in both places for a reason (:
00:03<Zeus_>wrong channel
00:03<Zeus_>I miss-clicked
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00:04<selenia>well if it's a repair install some good live distros unetbootin will download and install to the usb for you. If all you need is a live distro as repair utility
00:04<selenia>and don't care if it is Debian
00:04<sleser>its all good it worked
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00:05<birch>taking over the world pinky? i mean, selenia?
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00:05<somiaj>selenia: again this is a place for debian support and giving good support for debian users is important here. Suggesting unetbootin for debian iso is not good support as it is known to break the iso's
00:05<sleser>i need live cd to carry around with and use in any computer
00:05<selenia>lol you got me
00:06<somiaj>sleser: has some you can download, and just like all debian .iso you can just cp them right to the flash drive, no special tools needed
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00:07<selenia>As the disclaimer said, it worked years ago I forget with which options and is the only famous utility I really could think of
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00:10<somiaj>I like debian iso don't need no special tool, just copy the iso to the device and you are done. (:
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00:11<selenia>but as an aside to the repair topic. I use a live cd called systemrescuecd. It is a tiny Linux distro that comes stock with repair tools for all OS and can run on the most feeble x86 machines. The UI is pretty ugly looking but does the job. I never leave home to a non-bootable Windows or Linux PC without it
00:12<somiaj>have you seen the various images has, they have one that is just that, a systemrescue, that is nothing but a cli and any cli tool you may need to fix a system.
00:13<vrkalak>selenia, I have a Rescatux-0.32 .. gets for job done
00:14<selenia>lol when I fix a friend's Windows machine, I always let them know Linux saved them
00:15<selenia>sort of like pulling out a Chevy from the mud with a Ford
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00:26<selenia>hrmmm rescatux looks good for Linux machines but I mostly end up working on unbootable Windows machines where the one I mentioned has you covered. It can write NTFS out of the box
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00:43<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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00:50<gordon24186>Does anyone know how to get packages "held back" to install? I have 2 bash (Which has been there forever now) And today google-talkplugin just showed up. I keep seeing that apt-get dist-upgrade would solve it, but no it didn't for me.
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00:51<selenia>The thing to do then is see why it's held back unless you held a dependency itself
00:52<selenia>You can tell by doing apt-get install the package name and see if what it wants to do is in your best interest or see if it errors out
00:52<gordon24186>I don't know how to hold em back and how do you check to see hwy?
00:52<selenia>if it wants to remove something relevent, say no
00:53<gordon24186>google-talkplugin : Depends: libc6 (>= 2.14) but 2.13-38+deb7u6 is to be installed
00:53<gordon24186>E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
00:53<selenia>does libc6 show as held back on dist-upgrade?
00:54<gordon24186>Just bash and google-talkplugin
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00:55<selenia>yup you are right. It seems it is broken right now
00:55<selenia>wheezy (stable) (libs): Embedded GNU C Library: Shared libraries
00:55<selenia>2.13-38+deb7u6: amd64 armel armhf i386 mips mipsel powerpc s390 s390x sparc
00:55<selenia>also provided by: libc6-udeb
00:55<gordon24186>That libc6 is whats holding
00:55<gordon24186>so what do I do, remove libc6 and reinstall it?
00:55<selenia>so your version is current and the required version has not passed to wheezy yet
00:56<selenia>if you have it installed, just wait awhile on the old version
00:57<selenia>if you need to install initially, all I can say is find an older version of it to use for now
00:57<gordon24186>That's what I'm guessing cause I ran apt-get install bash and google-talkplugin respectively and that libc6 is the reason
00:58<selenia>nothing wrong on your end
00:59<jmcnaught>libc is one of the most important libraries in a Linux system. Wheezy will always have version 2.13 (version numbers generally don't increase for a Debian Stable release). Messing around with trying to replace libc6 with a newer version is not a good idea.
00:59<selenia>libc6 is one of those things that upgrading out of sync with your distro can break your system and I don't see this one thing worth using testing over
01:00<selenia>especially since finding an old deb kicking around should let you install it until the package isn't broken. If you have it installed, just wait and it will resolve itself
01:00<jmcnaught>one alternative that might work is running software that requires a newer libc6 inside a chroot running jessie
01:01<selenia>True jmc but it seems much work for 1 plugin that an older version would work
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01:02<jmcnaught>i suppose it might take some work to learn how to do it, but it's not that difficult really. this link is enough to get started
01:03<selenia>Really isn't for somebody with decent Linux knowledge. On an aside note, the one Wheezy install I use at home is a chroot install on an Android :p
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01:04<selenia>pretty fun actually
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01:06<selenia>tricky part was getting the touch screen to emulate a mouse smoothly but I got it working and it has been in service for a year now :)
01:07<gordon24186>Well, I have 2 things waiting for 2.15 of it. what ever bash is
01:07<gordon24186>An google talk plugin
01:07<selenia>bash=bourne again shell
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01:08<selenia>main user space shell
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01:08<selenia>it had some important security updates but that was awhile ago
01:08<selenia>I assume this one is recent
01:09<gordon24186>Because of libc6, that's held back
01:09<jmcnaught>gordon24186: the version of bash that comes with wheezy shouldn't require libc6 2.15. Maybe you could put the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy bash" on ?
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01:10<selenia>hrmmm good catch. I forget libc rarely updates on Wheezy :p
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01:10<gordon24186>jm when I run the apt-get install it wants libc6 2.15
01:10<selenia>just open a shell and type those 2 things
01:10<selenia>then paste the output
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01:11<jmcnaught>gordon24186: yeah that's not right. have you added any repositories to /etc/apt/sources.list? Those commands I asked you to run above will tell us where it's trying to get bash from
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01:13<selenia>it is trying to pull it from linux mint
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01:13<selenia>any reason you added that repo?
01:13<jmcnaught>gordon24186: there's the problem. If you look at the output for "apt-cache policy bash" it's trying to install it from a Linux Mint repository (not from Debian).
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01:14<selenia>also I see another headache for you too. You have some repos under stable and some under wheezy
01:14<limitless>hey guys.. I need some advice. My computer kind of just hung so I forced shutdown. Then it asked me to repair via fsck. It found a lot of stuff wrong and I just said yes to everything. After that, I couldn't log in and I got an error screen on startup. I fixed that via apt-get-install x-window-system. but now my sound isn't working.. anyone have a clue on how to fix this?
01:14<selenia>that can speel disastor when next release comes
01:15<jmcnaught>gordon24186: you should remove the ubuntu and mint repositories, and think twice about any of the other third party repos you're using. Take a look at (the gist is, adding repos for other distros or other releases of debian can mess up your system, and 3rd party repos can also break upgrades)
01:16<selenia>if you must add them for a particular package, always pin them lower so you only pull that package from Ubuntu, etc. You should never do this with system libs though
01:16<selenia>only third party apps and usually just a ppa for that
01:17<jmcnaught>i don't think pinning is that great an idea unless you really know what you're doing. The Debian Reference manual recommends against it. Using PPAs is an easy way to break Debian too, the software is usually compiled for Ubuntu (and the two are similar but not compatible)
01:18<limitless>is this the proper support channel for debian?
01:19<selenia>true but in my case, it's things like retroarch which is just an emulator, in that case the important thing is that Debian has the libs to run it, which it does. But something like bash, heck no
01:19<selenia>yes it is limitless
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01:21<selenia>seems like you have some bad data loss there limitless. Were you a good boy and separated your home partition?
01:21<selenia>in this case I would reinstall because many other things could be corrupted easily
01:22<selenia>in fact, I would dd=0 that partition and remake it to be 100% sure it is not corrupt itself
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01:23<limitless>I don't believe I separated the home partition.. afaik it was all on 1 partition.
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01:23<selenia>ahhh live CD and external usb if you have files you want to save
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01:23<selenia>but I would fully zero the drive, repartition, then reinstall
01:24<selenia>because corruption bad enough that fsck can't recover is an unpredictable beast
01:24<selenia>hard to see what other ramifications you might have
01:25<limitless>well I'm about to transfer my files to a fresh install on another laptop anyway.. but that might take a few days and that's out of my hands. is there any way to just repair the sound in the meantime though?
01:26<selenia>depends which part of you sound subsystem is broken. Do you have any volume adjuster available at all? Any device listed there?
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01:28<limitless>I have the system and application volume adjusters, but as for devices for output, there aren't any listed. How may I go about remedying this?
01:28<selenia>what does lsmod | grep snd output?
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01:32<selenia>hrmmm your driver is loading ok. Any errors in dmesg | grep sound ?
01:35<limitless>there are 3 entries, but i don't see anything looking explicitly like an error
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01:35<selenia>question for the room, is wheezy still on alsa or using pulse?
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01:37<selenia>actually dpkg --get-selections | grep pulseaudio should get us an answer faster
01:37<selenia>I am running from a Sid system so that is why I am a bit sketchy on that detail
01:38<limitless>pulseaudio.. 4 packages
01:39<selenia>ok best thing I can think of atm to hope to fix it is to purge them and their config and reinstall see if it clears up
01:39<selenia>since we can only guess the damage your filesystem problem did
01:39<limitless>so purge all 4 packages, and reinstall?
01:40<selenia>so apt-get purge alsa-base alsa-utils pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils
01:40<selenia>then apt-get autoremove
01:40<selenia>then apt-get install alsa-vase alsa-utils pulseaudio pulseaudio-utils
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01:40<selenia>which should reinstall all dependencies too
01:41<selenia>to try and cover bases
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01:41<selenia>oops typos
01:41<limitless>ok. I will try that
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01:42<limitless>what about gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio:i386 and pulseaudio-module-x11? purge and reinstall those too?
01:43<selenia>then should get hit by the autoremove
01:43<selenia>since you are taking the main packages
01:44<selenia>brb screaming kid while you do that
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01:44<selenia>just gotta see whats up
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01:47<selenia>reboot after done to reload everything and cross fingers it works
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02:10<selenia>everything working now limitless?
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02:11<selenia>oops he pinged out :p This server gives me a good ping and I just discovered I am connected via IPv6 too
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02:35<gordon24186>Sorry for a long away had a loonngg excitement... so basicly I have to many repos and one from ubuntu that I can't remember why I have... Would I be better off installing a fresh copy of Debian and start from there?
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02:37<gordon24186>I looked and it was so I could use Java for firefox.. And I haven't needed to use Java because the site I used java on shut down (Yahoo)
02:38<jm_>this is for debian support, for ubuntu go here:
02:38<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://
02:38<gordon24186>I don't want ubuntu
02:38<gordon24186>I'm asking about debian
02:38<selenia>if it is not too much trouble, possibly if you have done upgrades that pulled from Ubutu as you might have UbuDeb instead by now
02:38<selenia>if you had not upgraded since adding them, then no
02:38<jm_>!which repo
02:38<dpkg>To see what repository a package may have come from, try , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
02:39<jm_>see if the above helps you find out if you have any ubuntu packages, if you can cleanly remove them, fine, else it'll be some manual work to clean the mess up
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02:39<weasel>dpkg: which repo =~;a=blob_plain;f=#
02:39<dpkg>that doesn't contain '', weasel
02:39<weasel>yes it does
02:40<selenia>hey he made a new distro by accident: it is called UbuDeb
02:40<selenia>jk lol
02:40<weasel>dpkg: no, which repo is <reply>To see what repository a package may have come from, try;a=blob_plain;f=apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or
02:40<weasel>ntory, or <bdo list>, or <dmm list>
02:40<dpkg>weasel: okay
02:41<selenia>actually DebUbu has a nicer ring
02:41<selenia>or Debuntu
02:41<selenia>sorry gotta have fun sometimes
02:41<jm_>weasel: maybe it's added as a cmd
02:42<weasel>already fxied.
02:42<weasel>(took it elsewhere)
02:43<selenia>but nah, it is all about how big the mess is and hunting it down vs the trouble reinstalling will cause you
02:43<selenia>gotta weigh those 2 sides out then proceed
02:43<gordon24186>Well, I will find time and reinstall Debian.
02:43<weasel>gordon24186: so the answer is a clear "it depends"
02:43<gordon24186>I see.
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02:45<gordon24186>Well, with me, the only trouble I would have is getting the right ATI drivers installed.. When I first installed Debian, I some how managed to use Gallium 0.4 instead of using AMD RS880 Drivers...
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02:46<gordon24186>But I also installed xorg I think and it took off to.
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02:50<somiaj>gordon24186: the free radeon driver works quite well for most things and it works by default with the debian kernel/xorg. You may want to install the package firmware-linux-nonfree from non-free to get 3d support with the radeon driver.
02:50<somiaj>gordon24186: using the ati drivers can be a pain (fglrx) depending on generation of card you have and I would suggest the radeon free for most things.
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02:52<gordon24186>Ok, and what command should i use to install the radeon free?
02:53<selenia>it is installed by default. If you have mesa-utils installed glxinfo should spit out a lot of info about your renderer
02:54<gordon24186>It didn't install by default altho I was using a earlyer version of wheezy at the time.
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02:55<selenia>I am sure it installed maybe didn't initialize properly which glxinfo would tell you. Although if you installed fglrx you have to reset all diversions back to mesa after removing it
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02:56<gordon24186>Ok, can you explain that, I'm like taking notes here :P LOL
02:57<selenia>well that part you need not worry if fglrx wasn't installed then removed, which would be proprietary ATI binary driver
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02:58<selenia>otherwise make sure mesa-utils is installed and type glxinfo
02:58<jm_>it's installed by default if you install xorg
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02:58<gordon24186>Ah. Cause I went to the ATI Proprietary site and did what it said but it didn't give me any positive result. just blank but when i used the install xorg 7.7 and then the ati site it worked.
02:59<gordon24186>kk will do.
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03:00<selenia>what card do you have? ATI has been killing support for older cards like crazy
03:00<selenia>but open source supports most of them
03:01<gordon24186>I'm Radeon 4000 Series
03:01<gordon24186>AMD RS880
03:02<selenia>yeah that is legacy only on ATI side and Wheezy is about the last Debian distro to support it as ATI has not been updating it
03:03<selenia>Same as my laptop, unfortunately, gaming performance sucks with Wheezy and open source because of Mesa 9
03:03<gordon24186>Ah. I mainly use it so I can get online cause windows has been sucking and not been happy with em.
03:03<selenia>if you stay with Wheezy the fglrx legacy is your only hope really for games
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03:04<selenia>but it won't be supported later with current unstable/testing
03:04<selenia>which will be stable next
03:06<gordon24186>I was wondering bout that. when I look for a laptop in a couple months, I'll look for Nvidia n such. Cause Nvidia was a good graphics card.
03:06<selenia>but good news is when you upgrade, going back to open source driver will be better. Jessie has mesa 10.2 and Sid 10.3 which are vast improvements
03:06<selenia>me being not the purist am running 10.4
03:07<gordon24186>so, install fglrx when I reinstall debian and it should work and go? Along with Xorg?
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03:08<selenia>yeah xorg will be install and wheezy has a package for fglrx legacy
03:08<selenia>install the package. Less headaches long as you keep Debian pure
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03:09<selenia>but make sure you choose legacy
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03:09<selenia>regular fglrx won't work
03:09<jm_>gordon24186: nvidia does the same shit with legacy etc.
03:09<selenia>yes but nvidia updates theirs for newer Xorg and kernels
03:09<selenia>ATI has left everyone behind
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03:10<selenia>Wheezy is one of the few distros legacy works with
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03:10<gordon24186>kk. got it and I will give this a whirl. Keep everyone posted if you like :)
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03:12<selenia>ATI is not the worst villian though in principle. They did distribute firmware and code for the open source driver developers and being on the newest, I can say it has improved in leaps over recent times
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03:12<selenia>the FOSS driver will be excellent soon. It's decent now
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03:17<selenia>time for me to rest now. Wanted to make sure he got what he needed. Night all
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03:33<twb>I'm playing with script (i.e. writing system) support in a PDF generator, by telling it to try using fonts that task-<culture>-desktop recommend. But since I don't know those writing systems, I want to inspect the fonts directly.
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03:33<twb>Is there a tool to say "show me this TTF", and have it be at least smart enough to skip straight to the bits that font defines? e.g. if I open a Mincho font, it should show me kana, not a bunch of ?'s for latin codepoints
03:34<twb>Also something like "gm identify foo.png" for the font would be handy, to see its metadata
03:36<ixi>twb there is fontforge
03:36<ixi>idk if it's smart enough for your task
03:36<twb>mm -- tho note I only want to look at the fonts, not edit them.
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03:37<ixi>well, the preview is one function
03:37<twb>there's probably some obscure package name like "gnome-font-preview" ;-)
03:37*twb tries gnome-font-viewer
03:39<twb>I'll have to ask upstream why /usr/lib/prince/style/fonts.css has e.g. Lohit Kannada enabled by default but not Lohit Malayalam.
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03:40<twb>Ugh, it won't start. (gnome-font-viewer:11183): Gdk-ERROR **: error: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set in the environment.
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03:40<twb>I have no idea what that variable is for
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03:42<twb>Derp -- xauth wasn't installed on the app server.
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03:43<twb>Good grief, GTK3 is slow over remote X
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03:45<twb>It's smart enough to skip latin for about two fonts of the four dozen I got via task-*-desktop recommendations.
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06:21<foomanns>I need to install debian on a system with risc cpu, should I use the multiarch image or which?
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06:22<zumbi>foomanns: which manufacturer builds that risc cpu?
06:23<zumbi>foomanns: iotw, which CPU architecture are you targetting?
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06:34<foomanns>Its a ReadyNas from Netgear, don't know who is the manufacturer ...
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06:34<foomanns>RISC Network Storage Processor (NSP)
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06:37<quitte>foomanns: can you look inside?
06:37*quitte guesses powerpc
06:37*zumbi guesses sparc
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06:39<quitte>foomanns: you will probably want to give yourself serial access:
06:42<quitte>someone might want to put his money on x86
06:42<foomanns>I already have serial access
06:42<quitte>foomanns: great! cat /proc/cpuinfo
06:43<foomanns>*g* ok one moment
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06:53<quitte>foomanns: ?
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07:02<Luka>VB: Cosic 8471MP 4 - In log staat dat klant gratis devolo's zou krijgen van XS4ALL zou krijgen, klopt dat?
07:03<Luka>van XS4ALL zou krijgen** sorry
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07:25<foomanns>cpu             : Infrant Technologics, Inc. - neon version: 0
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07:33<Luka>VB: Cosic, 8471MP 4 - In log staat dat de klant gratis devolo's zou krijgen van XS, klopt dit?
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07:34<foomanns1>cpu             : Infrant Technologics, Inc. - neon version: 0
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07:38<foomanns>sorry i think my client is drunk
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07:39<Apollo>Luka: this channel is english only
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07:41<jm_>foomanns: use a pastebin to paste it all
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07:41<quitte>zumbi wins?
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07:42<quitte>foomanns: are you a puppeteer to a drunk and you think you can make him install debian?
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07:49<foomanns>I meant my im client :), still one moment I will paste it all
07:50<Luka>Ah good, I will translate the message
07:51<Luka>Just a moment while I finish talking to a client
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07:56<Luka>I have a question on behalf of a XS4ALL client regadering television. Client name is Cosic, postal code is 8471MP with house number 4. Our log says this client will receive free devolo adapters for television, is this truely the case?
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07:59<jm_>Luka: you must be asking in completely wrong channel, this is for debian support, see
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08:12<foomanns>possible for asics?
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08:15<quitte_>what is a hbg4e partition?
08:16<quitte_>foomanns: is this a debian system already? dpkg --architecture
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08:24<foomanns>@quitte "sparc" :)
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08:29<quitte_>foomanns: cat /etc/debian_version ?
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08:30<foomanns>not so easy, no release files in etc
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08:31<treaki>hi, am using debian testing (downgraded from sid) and have a problem using virtualbox
08:31<quitte_>okay. do you know what it boots the system from? do you know how to boot from external media?
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08:32<foomanns>@quitte. there is usb device with the os on
08:32<treaki>ive got used to /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup to build the kernel module but that isnt working anymore
08:32<foomanns>bootloader is mini-boot
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08:34<treaki>ive got this error:
08:35<treaki>what can i do to get virtualbox running again?
08:36<jm_>treaki: head over to #debian-next
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08:38<treaki>looks like my server just crashed, here again at debians paste:
08:39<jm_>like I said, ask in #debian-next, this channel is for debian stable
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08:40<jm_>to rebuild vbox modules use dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms
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08:44<treaki>jm_, thanks for the advice, i am still getting help in #debian at freenode, i will try that if the problem still consists...
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08:51<foomanns>@quitte what now?
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11:03<bahax>Hi, I'm new to Debian, I'm coming from ubuntu, in ubuntu when I type a command that is not installed in my system, apt suggests packages that contain the command for me to install but in Debian it doesn't!
11:03<bahax>how can I add this functionality, I've found nothing on the web
11:04<jordanm>bahax: install the command-not-found package and restart your shell
11:05<bahax>cool, thanks I'll try it
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11:08<FAbiana>Buenos días!
11:09<FAbiana>Necesito saber qué contraseña debo poner para que la netbook realice las actualizaciones necesarias!
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11:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:13<bahax>jordanm, thanks a lot it worked :D
11:13<jordanm>bahax: np
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11:28<JohnBobSmith>Hello all
11:28<JohnBobSmith>I installed debian wheezy stable yestreday.
11:28<JohnBobSmith>I got the network working, but I'm having trouble setting up the root account for access via the sudo command.
11:29<mtn>JohnBobSmith: did you follow the debian wiki on sudo?
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11:29<JohnBobSmith>mtn: No. I will do that now and post back if I still have issues.
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11:30<mtn>JohnBobSmith: the wiki can be very helpful ;)
11:32<JohnBobSmith>Im not new to Linux in general (been using Mint, a derivative of Ubuntu for some time now), but I am complete noob to debian. I want to learn more about linux, so I thought debian is the next step. :)
11:32<mtn>JohnBobSmith: a good choice
11:32<JohnBobSmith>I have my desktop thats from ~06 dedicated to this purpose.
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11:33<JohnBobSmith>So yeah. Will read wiki now. brb phone.
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11:37<JohnBobSmith>So here is my to-do list, that I will probably need help with. Now that I have networking, I need to do the following...
11:37<JohnBobSmith>1) Get sudo working
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11:37<JohnBobSmith>2) Install whisker menu for XFCE. I figured out how to pimp that menu in Mint, so I want to do the same to debian.
11:38<JohnBobSmith>and thats about it.
11:38<JohnBobSmith>wiki time
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11:38<JohnBobSmith>Oh, now that I am on the wiki page, that is what I followed
11:39<JohnBobSmith>I'm getting a sudo: command not found error when trying to run sudo.
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11:39<JohnBobSmith>heres the output of groups command (one moment)
11:40<blast007>you'll probably have to install sudo. 'apt-get install sudo' as root.
11:40<JohnBobSmith>I think I tried that too, and it gave me an error.
11:40<JohnBobSmith>Let me try again and pastebin the error
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11:41<JohnBobSmith>im on the IRC on a separate PC right now. So 3) on the to-do list is install hexchat.
11:41<JohnBobSmith>anyhow, the output of groups is as follows:
11:41<JohnBobSmith>let me know if that doesnt work, as I typed it in manually.
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11:42<JohnBobSmith>and now to install sudo as root and pastebin that error. One moment
11:43<JohnBobSmith>output of apt-get install sudo as root:
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11:43<JohnBobSmith>no installation candidate
11:45<JohnBobSmith>I did edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and commented out one line to fix an error with it asking me for CD-ROM (which I dont have nor need) so that *might* be causing issues, not sure.
11:45<somiaj>!tell JohnBobSmith about wheezy sources.list
11:46<somiaj>JohnBobSmith: compare your sources.list ot that, that should give you a decent set of defaults you should have to get debian's package installed from the internet using apt
11:46<JohnBobSmith>oh neat, you have the tell command
11:46<JohnBobSmith>that seems useful.
11:46<JohnBobSmith>right, mine has none of those in it.
11:46<somiaj>It is a bot, no need to have to repeate standard info over and over. (:
11:46<JohnBobSmith>yup, figured as much.
11:47<blast007>and then make sure to run 'apt-get update' after your sources.list is all set, and then try installing sudo again
11:47<JohnBobSmith>okay let me add those lines in using nano (vi just confused the living daylights out of me).
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11:47<JohnBobSmith>oh yes, 4) on the to-do list is install a GUI text editor. Not required, but very nice to have.
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11:48<JohnBobSmith>brb while I add those lines in.
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11:55<JohnBobSmith>pastebin of sources.list...
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11:56<JohnBobSmith>is that correct?
11:56<retrospectacus>please use and include http:// so we can click on it
11:57<retrospectacus>!tell JohnBobSmith about
11:58<JohnBobSmith>uhm, the debian paste site doesnt have the http:// in i
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11:58<JohnBobSmith>it just gets truncated (I think thats the right word) if I include it in the URL of Firefox. I'm on hexchat on a different computer than the debian install.
11:59<JohnBobSmith>but heres the link:
11:59<retrospectacus>it should still come across in copy/paste, or type it yourself
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11:59<JohnBobSmith>yup, copy/paste added it back in.
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12:00<retrospectacus>that's goot. now update and sudo should have a candidate (apt-cache policy sudo will tell you)
12:00<retrospectacus>very goot
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12:01<somiaj>JohnBobSmith: but if you copy/paste the url, it comes with the http:// or https:// etc
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12:04<JohnBobSmith>yup somiaj. It did.
12:04<JohnBobSmith>and now sudo works
12:04<JohnBobSmith>why is the command lshw not found?
12:04<JohnBobSmith>"list hardware"
12:04<somiaj>It just isn't installed by default
12:05<somiaj>apt-get install lshw
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12:05<somiaj>lspci and lsusb are some basic default tools you can use
12:05<JohnBobSmith>lots of things arent here by default. Which is not bad. It lets the user tailor the system to there exact needs.
12:05<JohnBobSmith>So I dont mind installing a few things.
12:06<somiaj>yea, unless you install some meta package to install a lot of things, debian tries to keep the base system minimial enough that it is small, but include enough stuff like an admin wouldn't be why isn't this here (with grey area of course)
12:06<somiaj>vi isn't even isntalled by default, I think nano is the default text editor
12:06<JohnBobSmith>vi is there
12:07<JohnBobSmith>so is nano
12:07<Froolad>vi is broken
12:07<babilen>The vi installation should be pretty basic then
12:07<JohnBobSmith>but I need a GUI editor. Well, I dont *need* one, its more for convenience's sake.
12:07<babilen>Froolad: Could you elaborate on that?
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12:08<JohnBobSmith>okay, now to install whisker menu.
12:08<somiaj>JohnBobSmith: well you can get to that point, now that you have your sources configure, install what you like. (:
12:08<Froolad>cursor keys insert garbage lines..... colors that can't be read.... etc
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12:08<JohnBobSmith>I'm gonna get the deb file from the whisker menu site
12:08<JohnBobSmith>and voila.
12:08<babilen>Froolad: You mean your personal vi configuration is broken?
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12:08<Froolad>the default install is broken.
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12:09<babilen>Froolad: Well, it installs a *very* basic vi. You probably want to install a more featuresome vim package.
12:09<somiaj>JohnBobSmith: be careful where you get .deb's from. If they aren't build specifically agaisnt the wheezy libaries(many ubuntu .debs do this) you can have lots of problems
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12:10<Froolad>you mean customize the broken default? I'm not that smart
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12:10<Coke>how do i put cc in my path
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12:10<Coke>i'm trying to install the nvidia drivers
12:10<somiaj>or maybe you are use to vim and are expecting nvi or what ever the default basic install is.
12:10<Coke>also my sound isn't working
12:11<babilen>Froolad: No, I mean "apt-get install vim-nox" or "apt-get install vim-gnome" or ...
12:11<somiaj>Coke: are you trying to install them from, if so that is a bad idea.
12:11<Ryccardo>Coke: do you actually have it installed? it's automatically in the path by default
12:11<somiaj>Coke: and lets work with one problem at a time, lets deal with the nvidia drivers or the sound.
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12:11<Froolad>I don't use gnome and no idea what nox is and no information leading to that path.
12:12<Coke>nvidia drivers first
12:12<Coke>how do i add the non free repos
12:12<somiaj>!tell Coke about nvidia dkms
12:12<Coke>i just installed gcc-4.8
12:12<Coke>cause i remembered it needed it
12:12<somiaj>Coke: you modify your /etc/apt/sources.list file with a text editor, and then replace 'main' with 'main contrib non-free'
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12:13<Coke>ok thanks
12:13<Coke>by the way that pm i don't understand it
12:14<somiaj>Froolad: nox = no-x, it is a compile time option to not be dependent on the more complicated xlibs like gtk, motiff or what widget sets gvim can use.
12:14<somiaj>Froolad: so debian sometimes provides various packges of software with differnt compile time options. vim-nox is one such thing for people who don't want gvim
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12:15<JohnBobSmith>well. I could probably do without the whisker menu.
12:15<JohnBobSmith>While it is nice, its not required. My current XFCE menu probably runs faster anyways.
12:16<JohnBobSmith>the classic XFCE menu
12:16<Coke>ok i did it somiaj
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12:16<somiaj>Coke: now run apt-get update -- and now you have access to non-free packages and the nvidia drivers
12:16<JohnBobSmith>is code blocks in the repositories?
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12:16<retrospectacus>Coke: you do not need gcc. Follow the wiki:
12:17<Coke>yep i did that
12:17<Coke>i'm on debian jessie
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12:17<Coke>so i run this now?
12:17<Coke>aptitude -r install linux-headers-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'` nvidia-kernel-dkms && mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
12:17<JohnBobSmith>I'm an enthusiast C++ programmer who is kind of bad at it, but learning. The whole point of debian was to learn, and I want to continue programming on a dedicated box.
12:17<retrospectacus>Coke: then find the jessie section of that page, and go to #debian-next channel
12:18<Coke>somiaj was helping me
12:18*JohnBobSmith searches for code blocks in the repos *
12:18<retrospectacus>Coke: he's there too
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12:18<Ryccardo>JohnBobSmith: yup
12:18<Ryccardo>10.05-2.1 stable, 13.12-1 backports
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12:19<EAA>eh vieja
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12:20<somiaj>Coke: correct
12:21<somiaj>Coke: and yes contiue this conversation in #debian-next, didn't realize you weren't on wheezy
12:21<JohnBobSmith>installing code blocks from synaptic now.
12:21<Coke>ok man
12:21<JohnBobSmith>whats the difference between mingw and gcc?
12:21<somiaj>JohnBobSmith: add a deb-src line to your sources.list and you can download any code of any software in debian main. Software in debian contrib or non-free may not be as freely readable.
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12:23<sleser>id like to give a nvidia driver install one more time i have spare laptop today in case it ends u pin bash
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12:24<rootbeer>What do I have to do in Sid in order to upgrade sysvinit package to the last release without having systemd automatically installed? Install sysvinit-core, correct?
12:25<somiaj>!tell sleser about nvidia-dkms
12:25<somiaj>!tell sleser about nvidia dkms
12:25<somiaj>sleser: again you may have to be careful if you have a really new or older card
12:25<Brigo>sleser, are you using jessie or wheezy?
12:26<Ryccardo>rootbeer: better to fully dist-upgrade it first then install your choice of init, the metapackages' names and relationships changed relatively often in these months
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12:27<Brigo>are you using backports, sleser ?
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12:28<somiaj>sleser: what nvidia card is this before we start telling you what we suggest
12:29<sleser>nvidia gt 630
12:29<Brigo>then install nvidia-dkms will be your best bet to get nvidia drivers running
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12:29<rootbeer>Ryccardo: I think that, having sysvinit 2.88dsf-41+deb7u1 now installed, if I type dist-upgrade it'll automatically install systemd, since the simulation sudo apt-get install -s sysvinit tellm me that systemd would be installed
12:29<peter1138>+1 to nvidia-dkms
12:29<sleser>apper shows nvidia-kernel-dkms already install is what apper shows
12:30<somiaj>sleser: lsmod | grep nvidia (is the nvidia module loaded)
12:30<somiaj>sleser: allso apper? I don't reconize that command
12:30<sleser>lsmod | grep nvidia wont show anything
12:31<sleser>apper the tool like synaptic
12:31<retrospectacus>apper is KDE packagekit frontend
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12:31<Ryccardo>rootbeer: basically, "sysvinit" was a metapackage for the 3 inits, now it's renamed (through a predepends) to "init" -- you could dist-upgrade with aptitude, when it asks "ok to continue y/n" type "-systemd-sysv +sysvinit-core" and see its reaction (or just do it in interactive UI mode)
12:32<somiaj>sleser: okay load the module 'modprobe nvidia'
12:32<sleser>module nvidia not found
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12:33<somiaj>sleser: okay check if you have the package linux-headers-foo installed where foo is your current kernel version
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12:35<sleser>there is something installed linux-headers-3.16-0.bpoo2-686-pae
12:35<sleser>and few others
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12:38<somiaj>sleser: do those headers match your current running kernel version, 'uname -r'?
12:38<somiaj>sleser: i.e. are you running the 3.16 kernel right now?
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12:38<sleser>Linux debian 3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.3-2~bpo70+1 (2014-09-21) i686 GNU/Linux
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12:39<peter1138>nvidia drivers are broken in backport
12:39<sleser>i know
12:39<JohnBobSmith>code blocks and build-essential installed..
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12:39<JohnBobSmith>Success! my console program runs.
12:39<sleser>i took backports out of source list , is there one in nonfree non backport ?
12:40<JohnBobSmith>I'm gonna go walk the dog now.
12:40<somiaj>sleser: run this command, 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms' and see the output, you should see it properly build the module for that kernel
12:40<JohnBobSmith>talk to you guys later.
12:40<JohnBobSmith>thanks for the help though!
12:40<peter1138>You need a non-backport kernel as well.
12:40<somiaj>sleser: oh wait I know the issue, the version of the binary might not compile against that kernel version. Not sure if you need to downgrade to an older 3.14 kernel version for that
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12:40<sleser>ill do what ever
12:40<sleser>i want to have my previus working driver
12:41<sleser>noveu isnt doing it as good as the other sins opengl stuck isnt functioning
12:41<peter1138>The bug affects 3.14 as well. You either work around the bug or use the non-backport kernel.
12:41<sleser>lets do this
12:41<peter1138>I can't remember the bug number :(
12:41<sleser>the all thing
12:42<somiaj>sleser: is there any reason you need the backported 3.16 kernel, would the 3.2 kernel support your hardware?
12:42<sleser>i needed an app . it was only lcoated in backport. i left the link in source list some one said to leave it there . in future apps that i need if its located there so i left it . then what hapend is new updates came
12:42<somiaj>sleser: I don't know about this bug workaround, I'd have to look it up. But if the 3.2 kernel supports your hardware, you should be able to get the nvidia driver in wheezy to compile against that which should support your card.
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12:43<sleser>after that update i got messed up without screen , so then some 1 helped me to rollback to noveu
12:43<sleser>to get the screen at least then to fix from kde
12:43<awal>sleser, your kernel 3.16 were installed from backports repo; you shouldn't remove that repo so
12:43<somiaj>sleser: the wheezy-backports source is specificlly designed not to do that, you had to actually request it to install the 3.16 kernel. But you can install the 3.2 kernel and boot off of it or remove the 3.16 kernel if you want.
12:44<sleser>i canot remoove the backport link ?
12:44<sleser>i see what you are saying . oh well i didnt know what it is . i just updated what ever it had to offer
12:45<sleser>i have a spare laptop id like to roll back i dont need backport app that i got and backports if it has isues with video
12:45<somiaj>sleser: yea you don't need to do that, but either way. dpkg -l | grep linux-image (do you have the 3.2 version installed still)?
12:46<sleser>lemy see
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12:46<awal>if you want use the 3.16+ kernel v installed from backports, so not (updates). if you are planing to remove it and use the 3.2+ one (wheezy) so remove that repo
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12:47<sleser>i don tnkow if its installed but i see it there here ,
12:48<sleser>awal yeh i removed the repo link . now i need to remove the or switch from 316 to 302
12:48<somiaj>sleser: se that third column, it is version numbers you have the kernel image 3.2.63-2 installed. What you need to do is reboot, and when grub loads select the non default option and find the option to boot from the 3.2 kernel not the 3.6 kernel.
12:48<somiaj>sleser: you are in a fine place, just reboot and select the 3.2 kernel. Once we get it to work we'll remove the 3.16 kernel so it will do it automatically
12:49<sleser>ok so ill b back with 302 brb
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12:49<sleser>do i press special key on grub or its there infront of me when it loads ??
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12:50<Ryccardo>on stable, just scroll down in grub, it's dead easy to see
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12:50<awal>sleser, yes. if you remove the 3.16+ kernel remove backports or disable it. Just for let you know: packages installed from backports repo are updated from backports repo
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12:51<sleser>im geting to learn more things day by day now i know the purpose for things
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12:55<sleser>ok its on 3.2 now
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12:58<sleser>somiaj still around ?
12:59<somiaj>sleser: alrighty lets go though the checks, 'modprove nvidia' -- does it load?
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12:59<somiaj>sleser: arg, modprobe nvidia
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12:59<JohnBobSmith>hello all, I'm back. The dog needs to eat first yet this morning too before her walk.
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13:00<sleser>command not found
13:00<JohnBobSmith>what IRC clients are available in debian?
13:00<JohnBobSmith>Is hexchat a good choice, or should I use something else?
13:00<JohnBobSmith>didnt find hexchat in the repositories.
13:01<sleser>oh wait module nvidia not found
13:01<somiaj>JohnBobSmith: I use irssi, but gui users like xchat.
13:01<Ryccardo>JohnBobSmith: it's in backports
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13:01<sleser>xchat is good
13:01<somiaj>sleser: I have to go, but can help you in a few hours
13:01<darthanubis>JohnBobSmith, hexchat is great
13:01<darthanubis>better than xchat if you love xchat
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13:01<sleser>np somiaj
13:01<JohnBobSmith>Ryccardo: Backports? Complete debian n00b here.
13:01<JohnBobSmith>darthanubis: Using hexchat on a diff PC currently.
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13:02<darthanubis>I would not go back to xchat with hexchat available
13:02<somiaj>sleser: Anyways, dpkg -l | grep linux-headers (do you have the 3.2 linux headers installed) if not install them, if so give us the ouput of 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms' (we may have to install the non backports version)
13:02<Ryccardo>JohnBobSmith: basically, a "software not in stable but recompiled for stable" extra repo
13:02<darthanubis>and I'm running it on Jessie
13:02<somiaj>!tell JohnBobSmith about wheezy-backports
13:02<Ryccardo>100% same here, darthanubis
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13:03<awal>JohnBobSmith, hexchat is 100% xchat but with more feature. xchat is not longuer develloped, just maintained i think so. hexchat is very good
13:03<darthanubis>there you go
13:04<JohnBobSmith>yup, I saw the tell command coming xD
13:04<JohnBobSmith>so is the source modified at all if its recompiled for stable??
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13:04<JohnBobSmith>probably is I'm guessing.
13:04<Ryccardo>it also has more options in the GUI (most notably the "autocomplete limit", I was the idol of the Linux Mint channel for a day when I told them about this)
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13:05<JohnBobSmith>Speaking of mint, Ryccardo, thats where I come from. :)
13:05<darthanubis>"autocomplete limit"?
13:05<Ryccardo>JohnBobSmith: generally not, in fact you often can add a *sources* repo for Sid and recompile them yourself
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13:05<JohnBobSmith>Ryccardo: Why do they need to be re-compiled in the first place??
13:05<blast007>JohnBobSmith: the difference is the resulting binaries generally, as they need to link to versions of the libraries on stable instead of testing/unstable
13:05<JohnBobSmith>and I'm going to add the backport to my sources.list and then try installing hexchat
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13:06<Ryccardo>darthanubis: /set completion_limit {number} -- if you have let's say 14 users named "Guest*" and nobody else starting with G, and it's above 14, you can just type G and tab until it's right
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13:07<JohnBobSmith>oh yes, of course. Silly me, that makes sense now. As an enthusiast C++ programmer, I use SDL for my graphics game WIP's, so that makes sense to me that it needs to link diff libraries.
13:07<sleser>somiaj its building
13:07<Ryccardo>darthanubis: otherwise if there are more users that match what you typed it will just dump the list of names in the output
13:07<JohnBobSmith>okay, adding backport now, then I will be talking on hexchat from my debian desktop.
13:08*JohnBobSmith is currently on the laptop *
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13:11<JohnBobSmith>4B/s download speed???
13:12<JohnBobSmith>now its 17.1Kb/s
13:12<Ryccardo>Broadcom card? :P
13:12<JohnBobSmith>yeah I think so, Ryccardo.
13:12<JohnBobSmith>ralink for sure
13:12<JohnBobSmith>it has the correct drivers
13:12<JohnBobSmith>so it works
13:12<JohnBobSmith>but b/c its ralink it sucks.
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13:12<JohnBobSmith>Is realtek and ralink the same thing or no?
13:13<Ryccardo>it was the best chipset for wifime (nintendo DS network boot), back in 2005
13:13<Ryccardo>doubt it
13:13<JohnBobSmith>how to find out chip of current wifi card??
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13:13<Ryccardo>just intentionally similiar names, like d-link and tp-link
13:14<Ryccardo>most likely lspci or lsusb, depending on interface
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13:14<JohnBobSmith>ah, okay
13:14<JohnBobSmith>there is a model name
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13:14<JohnBobSmith>but whats the chip?
13:14<JohnBobSmith>let me paste it real quick.
13:14<JohnBobSmith>actually, crap.
13:14<JohnBobSmith>Time to go walk the dog.
13:14<JohnBobSmith>timer just went.
13:15<JohnBobSmith>Dog needs love and attention too, so I will brb in about 15 minutes give or take, going for a speed-walk/run.
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13:15<JohnBobSmith>bye for now.
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13:17<awal>JohnBobSmith, try "lspci | egrep -i --color 'network|ethernet'"
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13:36<johnbobsmith>hello all
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13:36<johnbobsmith>im back on my debian desktop
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13:40<haidora>friends i need a kali pro to ask him about something please
13:40<dpkg>Kali Linux ( is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on or . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:41<Apollo>jesus, it's time I get the fuck to bed
13:41<johnbobsmith>you do that.
13:41<haidora>ok thanks man
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13:49<treaki>i am still trying to install debian on an IBM Thinkpad R32, i now was able to dive around the floppydrive issue by blacklisting its module but now it cant find its main harddisk
13:49<treaki> i was still able to access the hdd using a grml live disc without problems
13:49<ovan>How do I mount an external drive?
13:50<Ryccardo>easy way: install pmount, `mount /dev/whatever`
13:51<treaki>its an normal ide hdd installed, i have looked up the pci id and found out that the module ata_piix is made for that purpose
13:51<treaki>i have userd modprobe to instert it and got this error:
13:51<treaki>[ 960.613966] ata_piix: Unknown symbol dmi_check_system_2 (err 0)
13:51<treaki>[ 960.614168] ata_piix: Unknown symbol dmi_first_match_2 (err 0)
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13:53<qxt>Any good dlna media servers that are in main. Have a new samsung TV and want to stream some movies I have. On Wheezy btw.
13:53<mtl>I use mediatomb
13:54<qxt>Ill look into that. Thx mtl
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13:55<qxt>aptitude show mediatomb
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13:57<treaki>sorry, i though it is ok until i post less then 3 lines
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13:58<blast007>might have been some lag because all four of your messages showed up at the same timestamp, but generally more than one line of output should go to a pastebin
13:59<qxt>thx mtl was exactly what I was looking for.
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14:01<treaki>blast007, ok, i will try to remember this for next time.
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14:01<treaki>but anyway, how can i find out what the mentioned error message mean and how to fix it
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14:06<blast007>does 'fdisk -l' as root show anything?
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14:08<treaki>no output from fdisk -l
14:09<treaki>no /dev/hdx or /dev/sdx dose exist
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14:12<ovan>Ryccardo: Thanks for the info but it seems that when I was running "fdisk -l" as a normal user I wasn't getting the output that I wanted but when running it as a root users as blast007 suggested I was able to get the correct output and mount using the normal "mount" command. Thanks.
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14:17<treaki>ok, thanks for your help, have a nice day, i have to go now :(
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15:15<nils_>quik question im making a bash file am i rhite, i can make this with a simpel text editor?
15:16<nils_>sorry btw for prob being in the wrong room
15:16<sysvalve>what does rhite mean?
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15:16<blast007>it has to be plain text
15:16<Kjetil>Are you asking "Can I make a BASH script with a simple editor" ?
15:16<nils_>yes :)
15:16<Kjetil>Answer: Yes
15:17<nils_>ty :)
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15:19<lg188>I'm having an issue with the program pcsx2 requireing a i386 version of the libwxbase2.8-0 on testing
15:19<lg188>but it seens to be non-existing
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15:20<jmlongo>you may get help on that at #debian-next room ...
15:21<jmlongo>that's for debian testing support ;)
15:21<Kjetil>testing has libwxbase3.0-0
15:21<lg188>Kjetil: I noticed but it's built with 2.8
15:22<lg188>and thanks jmlongo
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15:22<jmlongo>no prob .. :)
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15:54<Guest304>Can anyone
15:54<Guest304>hear me
15:55<Ryccardo>Guest304: I'm not using a screen reader, sorry :P
15:57<Guest304>what do u do here?
15:57<Guest304>and how to create a private chat
15:57<Guest304>and, can I talk to people using windows¿?
15:57<Guest304>no more questions for the moment xD
15:57<Brigo>Guest2711, /join #<name>
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15:58<Brigo>Guest304, /join #<name>
15:58<Brigo>Guest304, you only need a irc client.
15:58<Guest304>ahhh oki
15:58<Guest304>thank you
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16:01<qxt>Jessie will be shipping with Linux 3.16 I suppose?
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16:02<Brigo>qxt, or 17, not sure.
16:02<qxt>Good to know. Makes life easer with kvm in passthough using VFIO.
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16:05<Guest304>have u ever set up an AP?
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16:06<qxt>Only rouge AP with sslstrip
16:06<qxt>Guest304 what are you trying to do?
16:06<Enraged>I just used dd to burn an iso directly onto a usb stick and I noticed there was 2 partitions created by this method with the latter one containing a 'efi' and that was all. The first partition also appeared to have 2 sub partitions and complained of having used GUID rather then GNU partition
16:07<Enraged>^ Is this all normal?
16:07<Guest304>A lab for wifi audit
16:07<qxt>I would use kali for that
16:07<Guest304>I did it too with airbase
16:07<Ryccardo>Enraged: crazy hack to get it working in both MBR and GPT scheme, while also fitting on a regular optical disk
16:07<Guest304>with the aircrack suit
16:07<Guest304>but now
16:07<Guest304>in other computer
16:07<Guest304>in a debian
16:08<Enraged>ryccardo: Was that to me?
16:08<Guest304>cannot do it
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16:08<Ryccardo>Enraged: yup
16:08<qxt>if you are out to brake wpa use reaver
16:08<Enraged>Ryccardo: Can you give me any insight into the 2 sub partitions present on the primary partition because I couldn't load either of them.
16:08<Guest304>but u need a diccionary
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16:08<qxt>nope not with reaver
16:08<qxt>side attack
16:09<Enraged>Ryccardo: I was unable to find any good documentation on the matter that a simpleton could understand
16:09<Guest304>what u do after u capture the handshake
16:09<Ryccardo>Enraged: if you want to add a 3rd partition, let's say to put firmware or other things on that usb, use fdisk and start the partition a bit after the first one (which is physically after the other...)
16:09<Ryccardo>Enraged: first chance of problems -- are you using a Mac made before 2010?
16:09<Enraged>No, Laptop from 2012
16:10<Ryccardo>do you know if it boots in efi or bios mode?
16:10<Enraged>So theoretically I could just destroy that main second partition
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16:10<Ryccardo>good, so the efi partition is useless but shouldn't be a cause of problems
16:11<qxt>Guest304 if you google onryo sslstrip you might find some tuts I wrote
16:11<Enraged>Ryccardo: Thanks, I'm still curious about the 2 sub partitions on partition 1.
16:11<Ryccardo>did you try the firmware's boot picker (often F12, Esc or Tab)?
16:11<Guest304>yeah I used it
16:11<Guest304>successfully with kali
16:11<Guest304>but on a normal debian
16:11<Enraged>Ryccardo: I'm not having technical problems, I'm just trying to learn more about how the filesystem for the installer has been designed
16:12<Guest304>cannot set my wifi interface on AP mode (master mode)
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16:12<Enraged>Ryccardo: Basically a scrub who's trying to learn
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16:12<Guest304>and when I run hostapd (which is similar than what u did with airbase) cannot bring the interface up
16:13<Ryccardo>Enraged: basically, a BIOS just loads and runs the first sector of the disk, everything else is implemented by the software there (in this case likely Syslinux, which can read the main iso9660-format partition)
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16:15<Ryccardo>Enraged: an EFI computer looks for an EFI partition (fat32 with a different type ID), loads a bootloader from a fixed path (or from a path preprogrammed in the firmware, but this is almost never the case for removable drives and especially lives/installers) and runs it, again the role of the main bootrom is over (but in both BIOS and EFI library functions also from the firmware are still used for quite a bit)
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16:18<Enraged>Ryccardo: Again, that's not what I'm trying to understand
16:18<Enraged>Ryccardo: Specifically, under partition 1
16:18<Enraged>Ryccardo: I'm seeing 2 sub partitions
16:18<Enraged>Ryccardo: EFI is not in that sub partition, it's on partition 2 on the top table
16:19<Ryccardo>what do you mean exactly by "sub partitions"? it's most likely an extended partition contaning logical ones, but that's not how my 7.6 installer was arranged
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16:20<onryo>Guest304 what wifi device you using. The scripts I wrote are for wlan0 and mon0 using an Alfa 500mW AWUS036H
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16:20<Enraged>Ryccardo: It's coming up as sd*p*
16:20<Enraged>Ryccardo: So, sd1p1 and sd1p2
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16:21<Enraged>Ryccardo: And then seperately there is sd2 where EFI is located
16:21<Ryccardo>never seen that notation in Linux, to be honest
16:21<Enraged>Ryccardo: Neither have I, which is why I'm sitting here going ':S'
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16:22<onryo>sd0i is often something like a USB device in Unix (OpenBSD)
16:22<Ryccardo>since the first partition is most likely iso9660, they might be representing a multisession CD, but it's a wild guess and I don't know if this can actually be done
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17:31<sleser>somiaj you around ?
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17:37<martingale>The page at '' was loaded over HTTPS, but is submitting data to an insecure location at '': this content should also be submitted over HTTPS.
17:38<martingale>Who can I nag to fix this?
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17:40<fklutiero>martingale: "Web pages editors"
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17:43<clearsky7>does anyone know if debian-live can be updated/upgraded using apt-get? when i try, the update always ends with an unexplained dpkg error msessage.
17:45<cassidyslivers>yes it can.
17:45<cassidyslivers>pointless without persistence of course.
17:45<cassidyslivers>but yeah.
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17:49<clearsky7>cassidyslivers: well, that's the point - to not have persistence. just load into and run totally from memory, and upgrade in memory. no viruses, trojans, worms, NSA, chinese or russian hackers allowed. just reboot and flush them all away.
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17:50<retrospectacus>yes, so you should explain your "unexplained" error. Probably on
17:50<retrospectacus>if you think it's a -live specific issue, there is also #debian-live
17:51<cassidyslivers>Clearsky7, I apologize for my misunderstanding, however, I think a clean debian-live, would not really help in regards to a lot of exploits you're mentioning.
17:51<clearsky7>#debian-live is dead (no pun intended). no one there.
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17:52<retrospectacus>there are 68 people there.
17:53<clearsky7>well, maybe it's like chicken soup - it can't hurt!
17:53<retrospectacus>but you can go ahead and as here too
17:54<clearsky7>i did try #debian-live earlier, no reply before i had to leave.
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17:56<somiaj>sleser: just got back, did you get the nvidia drivers to work?
17:56<retrospectacus>clearsky7: they were probably waiting for a clear and specific question or problem description, like we are
17:56<sleser>not yet but i switched to 3.2 kernek
17:56<clearsky7>and i have seen things online lately that would curl your hair. it's just not safe out there any more - they really are out to get you.
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17:57<devil>clearsky7: will you bore us to death or do you have a question about debian?
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17:57<somiaj>clearsky7: have you looked at snapshots under persistance (this is a vauge term)
17:57<somiaj>sleser: okay, I think were at the step where I wanted you to run 'dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms' and paste me the output, I want to see the errors as to why it isn't building the modules.
17:58<clearsky7>okay, i will have to write down the error message the noxt time i am running debian live.
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17:58<retrospectacus>clearsky7: you can come here then too
17:58<somiaj>clearsky7: another option for an more updated live system is use the tools form and ubild your own live system, and then just rebuild your images everytime a DSA is released that effects it.
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18:00<clearsky7>building my own live system is beyond my capability at this point, but thanks for the suggestion.
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18:01<sleser>clearsky by the time you install debian and youse it slowlyslowly you building it day by day anyhow
18:01<somiaj>clearsky7: it really isn't that hard if you say take a debian live system as a model
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18:02<somiaj>clearsky7: so if all you wanted was say the debian-live-xfce image with security fixes, I belive it is fairly straight forward to take that live system and build it with the newer sources
18:03<somiaj>sleser: looks like it was sucessful, do you see any output from 'lsmod | grep nvidia'
18:03<somiaj>sleser: and 'modprobe nvidia' fails with module not found?
18:04<sleser>ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia': No such device
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18:04<somiaj>sleser: okay can I see the output of 'dmesg | tail'
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18:04<clearsky7>well, maybe i will give it a try sometime. i just have bad memories of trying to do Linux from Scratch - never could get it to work.
18:05<somiaj>clearsky7: yea debian live is a system to take a list of packages and turn it into a live system (very simplistic view) but all the tools are avialbe at
18:05<Brigo>sleser, what kernel are you using?
18:05<somiaj>clearsky7: from what I read (I have not done this) you can take any of the current live images and get that package list from their downlaod pages and use the tools to build that live image with nothing more than running the right commands since you are building one that is known to work
18:06<somiaj>sleser: okay 'lsmod | grep nvidiafb' is that module being loaded?
18:06<Brigo>sleser, it looks like nouveau driver is loaded, try modprobe -r nouveau
18:07<sleser>lsmod | grep nvidiafb no outpute
18:07<somiaj>sleser: aka are y ou using nouveau right now, as Bringo said we need to unload nouveau (which means if you are in xorg you may want to quit xorg and goto a console)
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18:07<clearsky7>does that mean building from binaries or from source code?
18:07<sleser>so i should go to my laptop ?
18:07<somiaj>clearsky7: from binaries, you build the .iso from the binary packages
18:07<somiaj>sleser: that could help, since you'll probably need some more help
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18:08<sleser>ok lemy grab my l aptop
18:08<clearsky7>about how long should that take (i know, ymmv).
18:08<somiaj>clearsky7: I have never took the time to do this, but from reading the documentation it sounds (at least in the case of building a already designed live system) just a matter of using the tools
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18:09<somiaj>clearsky7: I don't have any idea on time it takes, as I have only read the documentation and haven't used the tools
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18:09<somiaj>clearsky7: let me look up what I was reading
18:10<clearsky7>okay, as soon as i get some free time, i will give it a try.
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18:11<somiaj>clearsky7: -- looks like that may give you some tools, this is new to me, still looking for documentation
18:11<sleser>somiaj newuser its me , ok how do i get out of xorg and continue
18:12<somiaj>sleser: do you know what graphical display manager you use?
18:12<sleser>what is that ?
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18:12<somiaj>sleser: it is the name of the graphical program you use to login, are you using gnome?
18:13<somiaj>sleser: okay, so what you want to do is 1) log out of kde, 2) hit ctrl-alt-f1 and you will see a text console to log into, log into that and run '/etc/init.d/kdm stop'
18:13<somiaj>sleser: that should log you out of X and then stop the display manager or graphical login interface
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18:15<somiaj>clearsky7: is the full manual
18:16<somiaj>clearsky7: -- as you see if you have the config file/paramters for th elive system (my suggestion is use a default debian one to start with) it is a matter of running a few commands to build the live image
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18:18<clearsky7>okay, thanks for the info, guys. i'll start reading.
18:18<newuser>stoped kde
18:18<somiaj>newuser: now run 'modprobe -r nouveau'
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18:19<newuser>no outpute
18:19<somiaj>newuser: that is usually good. 'modprobe nvidia'
18:20<newuser>no outpute
18:20<somiaj>newuser: again good, lets double check 'dmesg | tail' you should see some info about nvidia module loaded and it tains the kernel
18:21<somiaj>newuser: you don't need to paste it or type it, just look at it for your own knowledge to see it loaded
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18:22<newuser>dosnt says nothing about nvidia
18:23<somiaj>newuser: 'lsmod | grep nvidia'
18:23<newuser>pastebinit dmesg |tail also isnt doing
18:23<somiaj>newuser: just want to make sure the module is loaded, that last command should check that
18:23<soixanteo>Hi. is there a big difference between the debian kernel in 7.7 (3.2) and the current stable linux kernel 3.17 ?
18:24<soixanteo>(debian 7.7 = wheezy)
18:24<somiaj>soixanteo: a few years of developement. So this means new features (which you may not need or use) and new hardware support -- this is sometimes important on newer hardware
18:24<newuser>lsmod | grep nvidia shows nvidia
18:24<somiaj>soixanteo: but you can get 3.16 from wheezy-backports
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18:24<newuser>what is the command to pastebinit something here
18:25<somiaj>newuser: it is laoded, we are almsot done. ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
18:25<somiaj>newuser: do you have either one of those files and or directories (And is there any files in the /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ directory)
18:26<somiaj>soixanteo: and 3.17 will make it into wheezy-backports one day, so debian already provides you methods to run newer kernels on the frozen wheezy version 7.7
18:27<soixanteo>somiaj: thanks. i’m running the latest intel graphics chipset (4th generation HD4600) , and I’ve been informed by intel that debian kernel 3.2 is too old to support this chipset
18:27<newuser>xorg.conf.d is in the x11 dir
18:28<somiaj>newuser: but no files, good. can you use nano to edit files just fine?
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18:28<somiaj>newuser: nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
18:28<soixanteo>somiaj: that’s despite them supported ubuntu 14.04, which apparently uses linux kernel 3.13 (apparently even older than debian’s 3.20)
18:28<newuser>inside xorg.conf.d there is something called typescript
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18:28<Brigo>soixanteo, you need the kernel from backports
18:29<somiaj>soixanteo: you have one major issue with the newer intel chipsets, is it also requires an xorg driver and as far as I know even though you can get a newer kernel in wheezy, xorg is not backported so you can't get the newer intell xorg driver to detect the newer cards (I ended up upgrading my haswell laptop to jessie because I coudln't find an easy solution in wheezy)
18:29<somiaj>soixanteo: 3.2 (not it is read 2 not 20) is older than 3.13
18:30<Brigo>nvidia driver wast backported too.
18:30<somiaj>but he has an intel card
18:31<somiaj>and right now the nvida driver is bugy against the backported kernel, ask newuser
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18:31<newuser>somiaj /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ has a file in there called typescript
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18:31<newuser>backport driver for nvidia gt 630 is no good
18:32<somiaj>newuser: so modify the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf and make it look like this
18:32<somiaj>newuser: after that we can load x and be running with the nvidia driver
18:33<somiaj>soixanteo: actually looks liek I was incorrect, is in backports
18:33<somiaj>soixanteo: so it should work with the backported kernel and that video driver. I must have over looked it when I installed. Oh well..:/
18:34<somiaj>,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
18:34<judd>Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on i386 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; sid: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; experimental: 2:2.99.916-1~exp1
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18:35<somiaj>newuser: once you do that just run 'startx' as your normal user, not as root. This will let ya know it is working.
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18:37<newuser>startx started , inside nvidia.conf.d created a new file 20-nvidia
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18:38<somiaj>newuser: you should be using the nvidia driver now
18:38<somiaj>newuser: you can double check by opening up a terminal and running 'glxinfo | less'
18:38<somiaj>you should see something about running the nvidia version of glx
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18:39<soixanteo>somiaj: thank you! this answer ``3.2 (not it is read 2 not 20) is older than 3.13`` really clears up alot of confusion for me. now it kinda makes sense. i’ll take a look at the backports initially and maybe jessie. thanks again. incredibly helpful (i guess you have been in the same situation lol)
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18:39<somiaj>soixanteo: and if I were to do it again I would use the backported drivers and not upgrade to jessie
18:40<somiaj>soixanteo: so that would be my suggestion to you.
18:40<sleser>do i need to sudo for glxinfo | less ?
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18:40<somiaj>sleser: no
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18:41<soixanteo>somiaj: acknowledged
18:42<sleser>glxinfo | less shows alot of things
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18:42<somiaj>sleser: yea near the top you should read some info about what version of glx it is running and it should say Nvidia corp somewhere
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18:44<sleser>somiaj this is just the part of it , here
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18:52<sleser>somiaj you here ?
18:52<somiaj>sleser: see line 4, I was just saying that you could see it wa loaded.
18:53<sleser>yeh i see it so its working ?
18:53<somiaj>sleser: correct
18:53<sleser>is nouveu black listen auto ?
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18:53<somiaj>sleser: you will want to blacklist nouveau, and probabaly remove the 3.16 kernel so you can boot automatically into this drivr
18:53<sleser>yeh id like to how ?
18:54<somiaj>sleser: in the file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf put the single line 'blacklist nouveau'
18:56<sleser>modprobe.d dosnt have a file blacklist-nouveau.conf
18:56<somiaj>sleser: so make it
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18:58<sleser>what was the make file command ? mkfile ?
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19:00<somiaj>sleser: just use your faviorte editor. 'sudo kedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf
19:00<somiaj>when it saves the file it will create it
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19:02<sleser>am i puting 'blacklist nouveau' or blacklist nouveau , in the text ?
19:03<Brigo>sleser, the second
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19:04<sleser>ok its done created a blacklist-nouveau.conf
19:06<sleser>am i set ?
19:06<Brigo>sleser, try it :)
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19:08<martinnaughton>hey guy , i am testing jessie at the moment. i upgrade just there. i am wondering how do i know i am on the latest release of jessie
19:08<sleser>let me reboot and see
19:08<martinnaughton>just did apt-get upgrade
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19:08<martinnaughton>instead of apt-get dist-upgrade
19:09<martinnaughton>lsb_release -a just says it is jessie, thought there was be a number under that for the internal release
19:10<Ryccardo>it doesn't work that way
19:10<Ryccardo>jessie is rolling unless (until) said otherwise
19:10<awal>martinnaughton, you did 'apt-get upgrade' being in wheezy?
19:10<mtn>martinnaughton: always use dist-upgrade for jessie
19:11<martinnaughton>no i was using jessie all the time. just did a apt-get upgrade on jessie to get the latest patches
19:11<Ryccardo>then some time later 8.0 is born, 8.0.x and 8.x are built upon that and not the current state of jessie
19:11<martinnaughton>ok so it is after official release that it start numbering like that
19:12<martinnaughton>just finding it hard to track where i am with jessie
19:12<awal>apt-get dist-upgrade is recommended in testing (jessie) /sid, but be carefull and you sould have the pack apt-listbugs installed, martinnaughton
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19:12<sleser>tryed it what was supose to hapen ?
19:13<mtn>martinnaughton: there are two options, either you are up to date or not ;)
19:13<Ryccardo>if update and dist-upgrade do nothing, you're on current jessie :)
19:13<awal>sleser, you should see jesus in your screen now :)
19:13<Ryccardo>there's no defined "not current" state apart from "current at last list update"
19:13<sleser>i saw it
19:13<martinnaughton>ok will try a dist-upgrade instead of just upgrade
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19:13<martinnaughton>mtn: i like the options
19:14<mtn>martinnaughton: what options?
19:14<awal>sleser, you saw it thanks to somiaj :)
19:14<martinnaughton>martinnaughton: there are two options, either you are up to date or not ;)
19:14<sleser>how do i remove the kernal 316
19:14<mtn>martinnaughton: ok, I get it :)
19:15<Ryccardo>sleser: from any package manager... I assume you already have another kernel installed, right?
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19:15<sleser>termal was more better sometimes pakage mananger wont show errors
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19:16<martinnaughton>thanks guys. will do a dist-upgrade and see how it turns out. I will on the cutting edge of testing :)
19:17<somiaj>sleser: you can just remove the packages from your package manager, or apt-get remove linux-image-(the full version name)
19:17<somiaj>sleser: agin use the name that would be in your package manager you like
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19:18<sleser>i cant find that virsion . so i need to add backport to source to find it
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19:18<sleser>i mean do i ?
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19:18<somiaj>no it is in your packages you have installed
19:18<Ryccardo>nope, if it's installed apt will know even if you redownloaded lists without that source
19:18<somiaj>sleser: dpkg -l | grep linux-image
19:19<Ryccardo>in aptitude it shows nicely in the "local / obsolete" category
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19:21<somiaj>sleser: apt-get remove linux-image-3.16-0.bpo.2-486 linux-image-3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae linux-headers-3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae linux-headers -3.16-0.bpo.2-486
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19:23<Gabriel_7>Is there any CLI invocation to install all -dbg packages for a given binary (or should I write one) ?
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19:26<sleser>let me reboot and see brb
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19:42<sleser>looks like its removed half way
19:43<sleser>do i need thouse files in the dir at all ? and how to completely wipe it if not
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19:46<somiaj>sleser: you look fine, you probabaly don't need both the 486 and 686-pae kernel, but it doesn't hurt to have them both installed
19:47<sleser>i have no use for them
19:47<somiaj>sleser: you may want to reinstall the meta packages. 'apt-get -t wheezy install linux-image-686-pae linux-headers-686-pae
19:47<somiaj>sleser: well you need at least one of those kernesl to run, (:
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19:48<sleser>but i have the 3.2.0-4 i still need to apt-get -t wheezy install linux-image-686-pae linux-headers-686-pae ?
19:49<somiaj>those are the meta packages, they really aren't that important, they are just meta packages
19:49<somiaj>they would effect you the time you wanted to dist-upgrade to jessie if and when you ever do that
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19:50<sleser>got your advice ok i done , apt-get -t wheezy install linux-image-686-pae linux-headers-686-pae
19:50<sleser>am i set ?
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19:51<awal>run apt-get -f install if any
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19:55<gerardo>hello every body? I want ask you if I can install gnome-shell 3.14 in testing debian or it's only for SID?
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19:55<somiaj>sleser: should be, is it working the way you want it now?
19:55<somiaj>gerardo: I thought wheezy had gnome-shell
19:56<somiaj>gerardo: so all three
19:56<somiaj>,v gnome
19:56<judd>Package: gnome on i386 -- squeeze: 1:2.30+7; wheezy: 1:3.4+7+deb7u1; sid: 1:3.8+8; jessie: 1:3.8+8
19:56<sleser>video works
19:56<sleser>how do i chek if metal pakages u recomended got instaled or there now
19:56<somiaj>gerardo: so it is version 3.4 in wheezy, 3.8 in jessie/sid
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19:56<somiaj>if the output of everything worked they are installed
19:56<somiaj>sleser: I think you are fine, (:
19:56<somiaj>sleser: you will slowly learn how to manage your own packages
19:57<awal>jessie/sid 3.14
19:57<sleser>yeh looks like its installed
19:57<sleser>thanks somiaj
19:57<sleser>thanks aval and rest of the folks who helped
19:58<sleser>umm i cant learn unles i find a book whitch shows like a dictionary for exemple the line dpkg -l | grep and dfiinition to it
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19:58<gerardo>somaij thanks
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20:02<awal>sleser, you cans tart from here a very good job
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20:05<A7MED>hai guys
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20:11<peter1138>"On an Intel Mac, currently the best stable (lenny) configuration is: "
20:11<peter1138>Glad this info is so up to date ;(
20:12<sney>can also be a sign that with newer releases, little to no device-specific configuration is needed
20:14<sleser>guys the peperback book file name English Mobipocket is that for devices like android ?
20:15<sney>I think fbreader can open mobi files
20:16<sleser>cheking the appstore in my android whats the name to the book ?
20:16<peter1138>I wish. I have installed it, grub is in the EFI partition, but I can get that to boot :S
20:16<sleser>there are lots of books on debian
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20:33<clarence>what if debian is unable to find device TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint?
20:33<clarence> xinput list-props "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint"
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20:33<clarence>was the command which showed on the ThinkWiki
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21:04<Argyle>hi i'm trying to install libnss3.17 using debian stable is the best way to do this to enable a jessie-backports repo?
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21:04<Argyle>in the sources list
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21:06<Argyle>i tried using dpkg on the .deb file but it's dependencies are also outdated in the stable
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21:29<selenia>Argyle, I am afraid you would have to update to Jessie to use libnss3.17. It depends on newer core components like a newer libc Any reason you need it before we talk going that far?
21:29<selenia>wheezy backports only has 3.14
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21:36<Argyle>to get netflix to work in chrome
21:36<Argyle>i need >3.16
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21:38<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 3.17-1-686-pae (3.17-1~exp1); sid: 3.16-3-686-pae (3.16.5-1); jessie: 3.16-3-686-pae (3.16.5-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16-0.bpo.2-686-pae (3.16.3-2~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.63-2); squeeze-backports: 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.2.57-3+deb7u2~bpo60+1); squeeze: 2.6.32-5-686 (2.6.32-48squeeze6)
21:38<selenia>I have not used Wheezy in awhile or Chrome because of its full PPAPI conversion and other issues, but I do run it in Iceweasel using pipelight. Uses WINE to run Silverlight plugin within browser
21:38<Argyle>could i just add jessie-backports and get the dependencies from there or would it trash wheezy?
21:39<selenia>will not work in Chrome though because it depends on NPAPI plugin architecture
21:39<dvs>Argure_: Why jessie backports when its in wheezy-backports?
21:39<Argyle>yh thats a pain in the ass when netflix officially support linux now
21:39<selenia>I would not do Jessie backports as it depends on Jessie packages
21:39<Argyle>dvs its not that's 3.14 not 3.17
21:40<selenia>wheezy backports can be used but only has 3.14
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21:40<Argyle>so do i have to reformat to update to jessie?
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21:40<selenia>nope but you better be aware it is a different game than stable
21:42<Argyle>how so?
21:42<selenia>less stable, can have broken packages which you have to use your package management wisely
21:42<selenia>kind of like Sid but less extreme
21:43<blast007>!tell Argyle about testing
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21:43<selenia>wow you guys got a bot for everything lol :)
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21:43<selenia>I am not new to Debian but pretty new to this IRC
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21:45<selenia>I mean you can pretty well prevent breakage if you are experienced with managing Linux. But security updates are slowest in Jessie if you run servers, etc
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21:45<selenia>I been running Sid for a long time but I hover here because I like helping new people and most new people use stable
21:46<Argyle>i run stable on most my machines
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21:47<selenia>I run 1 stable machine still. a chroot on an Android that I run as a power efficient server with its own built in UPS(the battery) :)
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21:50<selenia>for personal services at home like my own email and squid server so it not need a ton of CPU cycles. I love it
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21:52<selenia>Anyways, I checked pipelight which I use on the latest Iceweasel on Sid(you should be able to install a new Firefox for this if needed) and it is available on Wheezy
21:52<selenia>but it is not in the Debian repos. They use their own
21:52<Argyle>im just going to enable a jessie-backports and grab the dependencies from there if i get it working i'll let you know.
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21:53<selenia>but I can confirm it works with Netflix if you use the Silverlight5.0 plugin part
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21:53<Argyle>ive done the pipelight thing before but i use chrome to send stuff to my chromecast
21:54<selenia>All I can say is be careful not to break anything. I think it would be less likely with a full Jessie upgrade
21:54<selenia>if you go this far as at least you are not mixing core dependencies
21:54<abrotman>you do'nt need silverlight anymore
21:55<selenia>I know, he is trying the Chrome thing but he is on Wheezy and needs libnss3.17 for that
21:55<selenia>I was trying for a less extreme alternative
21:55*abrotman wouldn't call silverlight less extreme
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21:56<selenia>alternative, as I told him, is a Jessie upgrade
21:56<selenia>I checked and it needs things like a newer libc
21:57<Argyle>im just dd-ing my install incase i fuck shit up
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21:58<selenia>lol that is good. I would be interested if you can make it work. But maybe the middle ground is a chroot of Jessie
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22:03<Argyle>hmm i've a choice between using a jessie backports or sid
22:03<Argyle>i can set preferences for the repos so its not too much of a pain
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22:04<selenia>I do think you'll have real dependency issues with core libraries. Have you looked into chroot if you need to use Chrome for this?
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22:05<Argyle>im just gonna wing it ive made a backup
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22:06<selenia>Complete guide I found of doing a Jessie chroot on Wheezy
22:06<somiaj>Argyle: what are you trying to do, I missed it
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22:07<selenia>He is trying to use Netflix in Chrome for his Chromecast and he said he needs libnss3.17 for that
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22:07<selenia>which needs a newer libc and other core libraries
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22:07<somiaj>ahh yea I forgot about the libnss requirement
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22:09<somiaj>might be able to backport just that libary with ssb
22:10<selenia>I didn't know of the Chromecast at first so I suggested pipelight in Firefox to do the Silverlight streams but now I am suggesting a chroot. I don't want to push a newer user to Jessie even though I had good stability on it and now run Sid
22:10<selenia>but I am also careful with upgrade procedures
22:10<somiaj>yea google-chrome supports nextflix in linux now, but I forgot about the libnss3.17 requirement
22:11<somiaj>but I think if you backported just that libary you could get it to work
22:11<selenia>yeah because of the DRM. But they now use HTML5 besides Silverlight, which allows this
22:12<selenia>Look at the dependencies in Jessie, which is the lowest Debian branch to use libnss3.17 and you'll see what I am worried about
22:13<somiaj>,check-backport libnss3
22:13<judd>Backporting package libnss3 in sid→wheezy/i386: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libnspr4-dev (>= 2:4.9.4).
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22:13<somiaj>selenia: you would want to look at the build dependencies, but yea looks like you'd need that too
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22:13<somiaj>,check-backport libnspr4
22:13<judd>Backporting package libnspr4 in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
22:13<somiaj>so you would need to backport both libaries
22:13<selenia>what about libc6 or can you build it with lower than the Jessie package?
22:13<selenia>that was the one that concerned me
22:14<somiaj>the requirement is just there because it was byuilt on a jessie ssytem, but it isn't a build requiremen
22:14<somiaj>but you have to compile your own package, /msg dpkg ssb for more info on that
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22:15<selenia>ahh ok hopefully he is listening because he wanted to try jessie-backports much as I said he is going to have issues with that
22:16<Argyle>im listening
22:16<selenia>ok lemme see if apt-src is available which may be an idea
22:16<selenia>I know it is in Jessie and Sid
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22:16<selenia>if so you could fetch the source from Jessie and have apt-src build it
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22:18<selenia>yes it is so try this: apt-get install apt-src. Add the Jessie main repo temporarily
22:18<selenia>then apt-get update. apt-src install libnspr4
22:18<selenia>apt-src install libnss(name of 3.17 package)
22:18<somiaj>or just add a deb-src line to apt.sources.list apt-get -b source libnspr4
22:19<selenia>then remove the jessie repo and do an apt-get update
22:19<somiaj>again this is all mentioned in the factiod, /msg dpkg ssb
22:19<selenia>If apt-src shows no compile errors, you should be golden.
22:20<Argyle>yh im just adding jessie main
22:20<somiaj>Argyle: are you adding a deb line or a deb-src line. You do not want to add a deb line, you want a deb-src and to compile your own custom package
22:21<somiaj>okay just double checking, (:
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22:30<selenia>I so hate my current ISP. Many websites keep stopping loading and can't even update my system due to several repos getting 503 error. TWC sucks
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22:30<selenia>even my lag here spiked
22:30<Argyle>so in my sources list i have 2 deb-src lines 1 for wheezy one for jessie. how do i tell apt-src to use jessie?
22:31<selenia>same as apt-get
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22:31<selenia>-t testing before install
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22:35<selenia>Glad I can still connect here and slowly to a few sites but I am about to curse out TWC I swear!
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22:40<selenia>Sorry dropped by crappy ISP. But now at least I can suddenly reach my repositories again
22:40<selenia>and I use squid-deb-proxy so if that PC can grab my Debian updates, the rest can get it from there
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22:43<selenia>If I do these I am gonna have to logout a min to restart my xserver. I see x updates
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22:49<Argyle>selenia, after i run apt-src install libnss3 after libnspr4
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22:49<selenia>yes because libnss depends on it as our chat mate was saying
22:50<selenia>he looked up the actual build deps
22:51<Argyle>yh but after i run that it says build deps aren't met because libnspr4-dev cant satisfy version req
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22:51<selenia>did you do -t testing? Sounds like you have wheezy version
22:52<Argyle>oh wait let me explain im confused a lil
22:53<Argyle>i ran apt-src install libnspr4, in my working directory it shows files with a version higher than required
22:53<selenia>yeah apt-src would auto pull dependencies from jessie. So you need to compile jessie version. Putting -t jessie(if you used that in your lines) or -t testing instructs it to pull the source from jessie
22:54<selenia>would not auto pull
22:55<selenia>so it seems you need to build libnspr4 from Jessie with apt-src, not forgetting the -t directive
22:55<Argyle>it pulled from jessie. its saying libnspr4 >= 4.9* is required i have nspr 4.10
22:55<selenia>likely the dev package too as those usually get required when building
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22:56<selenia>maybe you need to build the dev package. Not sure on that but it might fix it
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22:59<selenia>reminds me of games in the old days when you had to compile most of them. Most would complain about not having X package if you didn't have the dev packages
22:59<selenia>which include headers and such to compile from
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23:18<abreni>644 in room and no talking?
23:19<blast007>abreni: it's a support channel, so there is talking when people are getting helped
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23:26<Theb>I'm trying to get wifi working on my brother's laptop, but having no luck. During the installation, the installer said that "b43/ucode5.fw" and "b43-open/ucode5.fw" are missing. I put the hard drive into my machine, which has working wifi, and used it to install firmware-b43-installer, and put the hard drive back into my brother's laptop. However, wifi still isn't working on his machine. Any idea what package he really needs?
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23:33<somiaj>Theb: debian doesn't distrubite that firmware, does that machine have a wired interface you can use to get the wifi drivers?
23:34<somiaj>Theb: all you have is the scripts which download the firmware from the internet, but you have to be on the net to use them
23:35<Theb>somiaj: It does not. Are you saying the firmware cannot be gotten when the wireless card that needs them isn't present? If possible, we want to use the working wireless card to retrieve the firmware.
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23:35<somiaj>Theb: that is a little bit harder, you have to either manuall extract the firmware with the fwcutter program or find someone who has done that.
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23:37<Theb>Well that's a pain. Alright, we'll find a way to connect it somehow then. Out of curiosity, why does the wifi card have to be in place to get the firmware?
23:37<somiaj>Theb: did you install the b43-fwcutter packge?
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23:37<Theb>somiaj: Yeah, it was a dependency of the one we intentionally installed.
23:37<somiaj>okay, now you just need a copy of the windows driver to cut the firwmare from
23:38<Theb>Okay, so how do I get that?
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23:39<somiaj>Theb: there are the instructions, you have fwcutter so skip down to the one that says 'after install download, there are 4 lines, starting with export FIRMWARE_INSTALL_DIR
23:39<somiaj>Theb: so you just need to copy over that one more firmware package
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23:42<Theb>somiaj: Thank you so much!
23:43<vd>help me to understand RAID volumes
23:43<selenia>Just to cover all bases, you did install the firmware-linux-nonfree to see if the open source kernel driver works with that?
23:43<Theb>I think we'll have to do this a bit later, the machine overheated and shut down, but we have the instructions bookmarked.
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23:47<selenia>sorry all for my slow response to PMs or otherwise. I am custom compiling my X
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