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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-11-13

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00:39<sleser>guys is there an onscreen russian keyboard
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00:56<anonymous>gdg
00:56<anonymous>hi
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02:12<worker123>hi
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02:15<beagleburt>worker123, G'day from New Zealand ! What's up?
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02:16<worker123>i have an application that is not receiving all the packets sent to it, but ifconfig shows no packets being dropped
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02:16<worker123>increasing tcp memory seems to solve the problem
02:16<worker123>but it bothers me that i cant measure the dropped packets
02:17<worker123>or see any warning or error in dmesg
02:17<worker123>or /var/log/messages
02:17<worker123>or /var/log/kern.log
02:17<worker123>this is debian wheezy btw
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02:17<beagleburt>worker123, ?beyond me sorry - maybe someone else can help you?
02:17<worker123>thanks
02:18<beagleburt>worker123, What is the application?
02:19<worker123>its a java application my company wrote
02:19<worker123>smaller packets like echo messages seem to work fine
02:20<worker123>but under load
02:20<worker123>larger messages are not received
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02:41<beagleburt>worker123, Wow! I am totally overwhelmed by this TCP stuff! I tried googling:" low tcp memory causing packets to be dropped? " & amidst the plethora of - to me - confusing information, I saw something about "MTU" - this was a problem earlier today for someone else...have you checked the MTU - IF it is relevant? I am only guessing...sorry but I have reached my braincell's limit!
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02:43<beagleburt>worker123, Wow! I am totally overwhelmed by this TCP stuff! I tried googling:" low tcp memory causing packets to be dropped? " & amidst the plethora of - to me - confusing information, I saw something about "MTU" - this was a problem earlier today for someone else...have you checked the MTU - IF it is relevant? I am only guessing...sorry but I have reached my braincell's limit!
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03:19<LesF>My gnome background image gets replaced after going into sleep mode, possibly in combination with switching away to another PC on my KVM switch. Anybody heard of this issue before? It gets set to nasty looking zig-zag lines
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03:43<shadow>interesting
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03:43<shadow>I'm experiencing corruption with gnome as well
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03:48<babilen>Yeah, it's been reported a couple of times in here, but I haven't checked for a bug report. Did you?
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06:36<rao>hi
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06:39<rao>hey
06:40<rao>any one help me ??
06:40<mongrol>ask your question
06:40<Apollo>!ask
06:40<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:41<rao>want to uninstall conkey ..how can i remove it ??
06:41<rao>em using kali linux
06:42<mongrol>you mean conky?
06:42<rao>yup
06:42<mongrol>aptitude remove conky
06:42<rao>let me check
06:43<Apollo>!kali
06:43<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
06:43*mongrol gets his coat
06:44<rao>what is aptitude .. aptitude like apt-get ??
06:44<Apollo>rao: we do not support kali linux here
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06:44<Apollo>see the message dpkg said
06:44*mongrol thanks Apollo for his rabbit hole escape plan
06:45<rao>thx mnogrol its work
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06:48<Hipster>rao can you connecto to freenode? cause i can't
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06:58<Hipster>am i the only one who can't access freenode?
06:59<planetmaker>yes
06:59<Hipster>okey dokey
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07:09<Affenmaster>can someone tell me if it is normal that my chrome is creating multiple audiostreams and only close them if i close chrome ?
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07:10<Affenmaster>hi
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09:12<peter1138>"If using Ubuntu, download ..."
09:12<peter1138>I know it's a wiki, but... :S
09:14<petn-randall>peter1138: Context?
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09:14<peter1138>https://wiki.debian.org/SELinux/Setup
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09:37<peter1138>Hmm, how can I forced a fsck of / on next reboot?
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09:54<tilt>peter1138: did you try "~# touch /forcefsck" ?
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10:18<AR45>How do I install Firefox on Debian Jessie?
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10:19<petn-randall>AR45: Is there a reason you don't want to use iceweasel?
10:20<AR45>The bugs.
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10:20<AR45>I had to play around with it so much to enable H.264
10:20<AR45>Media Source Extensions
10:21<AR45>MSE & WebM VP9
10:21<AR45>MSE & H.264
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10:21<AR45>& even after getting all of those codecs installed and being able to pass www.youtube.com/html5
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10:22<AR45>YouTube video's load fully but the buffer icon keeps popping up and stopping the video constantly.
10:22<AR45>So after I did all that work.. I litterally gave up on iceweasel.
10:22<petn-randall>AR45: iceweasel is just a rebranded Firefox. I can run HTML5 youtube without problems with my installation.
10:22<AR45>I would love to use it but it's too bork man.
10:23<AR45>I'm guessing you're on stable?
10:24<AR45>Looks like I have to compile firefox myself
10:24<blast007>AR45: what makes you think normal firefox would be any better than iceweasel? I've not had good luck getting even Firefox Nightly on Windows to run 1080p youtube videos in HTML5 mode.
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10:25<petn-randall>AR45: Google has recently broken support for MSE, it only works flawlessly with Google Chrome at the moment.
10:25<AR45>Eh... The last time I tried firefox was on Ubuntu... and it seemed to work great out of the box.
10:25<AR45>petn-randall: Currently I'm running Chromium.
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10:26<AR45>& it works quite well actually.
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10:27<tuxcrafter>when is the next stable release of debian planned?
10:27<blast007>tuxcrafter: when it is ready ;)
10:27<AR45>Last quarter of 2015.
10:27<tuxcrafter>AR45: thanks
10:27<tuxcrafter>so still a year
10:27<petn-randall>AR45: There's no such release date.
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10:27<AR45>tuxcrafter: yes
10:28<petn-randall>!wwjr
10:28<dpkg>I have no idea when Debian 8.0 "Jessie" will release -- when it's ready, I guess, but I do know about the <jessie freeze>. For user contributed guesses on when it will release, ask me about <jessie pool 1>. See also <release goals>, <wir>.
10:29<tuxcrafter>I didnt needed a specfic date just a time frame with four months or so off was not a problem
10:29<blast007>tuxcrafter: but there isn't even that
10:30<tuxcrafter>but it isnt expected to be released early 2015 at least right
10:30<tuxcrafter>we are not anywhere near that
10:30<blast007>there isn't an "expected". It all depends on when it is ready.
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10:31<petn-randall>It gets released when the RC bug count reaches zero. But since nobody knows how long the current RC bugs take to get fixed, and which ones show up in the meantime, there is no schedule on that.
10:31<petn-randall>There is a betting pool of Debian longtimers though, just FYI.
10:32<tuxcrafter>petn-randall: are there any bets for early 2015?
10:32<AR45>No
10:32<petn-randall>!jessie pool 1
10:32<tuxcrafter>perfect :D
10:32<dpkg>! jellÿ=2016-01-01 gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babīlen=2015-05-23 themíll=2015-06-23 abrötman=2015-07-23
10:32<blast007>AR45: keep an eye on these: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=778617 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=881512 (the first being a tracking bug for a lot of other related bugs, and the second one that talks about youtube MSE support which mentions it currently only supports MSE+WebM)
10:33<tuxcrafter>i didnt want to stir anything up btw, im all fine with the release when ready policy, just needed a bit of indication
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10:35<peter1138>tilt, nope, will do.
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11:21<peter1138>tilt, thanks
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11:27<peter1138>Hmm, what are the rules for comparing package versions? I'm doing this in C, so I'd rather avoid calling out to an external program.
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11:37<alumno_>que
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12:17<retrospectacus>peter1138: you could use the C function in dpkg source
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12:20<retrospectacus>libdpkg-dev that is
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12:24<somiaj>peter1138: this is in the debian policy under new matainers guide
12:24<somiaj>peter1138: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#namever
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12:26<somiaj>peter1138: https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
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12:28<retrospectacus>using the external command is by far the easiest. Why reinvent the wheel
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13:23<f-a>argh, small midi problem:
13:24<f-a>I managed to get a midi file playing with aplaymidi.
13:24<f-a>and with aplaymidi -l I can see the input port of my MIDI instrument
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13:25<f-a>how do I... tell aplaymidi to play the notes I am playing?
13:25<f-a>apparently aplaymidi is only for playing MIDI files, I would like to play the instrument
13:25<f-a>I guess there is another command but I don't know it :s
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13:26<mullein>f-a, i wonder if aconnect is what you need?
13:26<f-a>let's see mullein
13:27<peter1138>aplaymidi is indeed only for playing a midi file...
13:27<mullein>f-a, i thought about aconnect from reading http://tedfelix.com/linux/linux-midi.html and how it uses aconnect to connect virtual midi kbd to fluidsynth
13:29<mullein>it looks like that doc uses aconnect for hardware midi too
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13:31<f-a>awesome mullein :)
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14:32<camp>were the females at
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14:33<camp>bitchs get at me raw bitchs only
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14:35<ansgar>!ops camp
14:35<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: ansgar complains about: camp
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14:35<babilen>ansgar: ta!
14:35<darthanubis>sweet
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15:15<sirwadafuq>um
15:15<sirwadafuq>anyone know of a decent text editor for debian? I mean one that actualy opens large text files immediately, without scrolling the damn file for 20 minutes like gEdit does
15:16<sirwadafuq>I mean I have opened a text file, made edits, and cannot save the file because gEdit sucks and is still sitting there reading the file
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15:16<sirwadafuq>if I save, it will save the txt file incompletely
15:16<B4dC0der>emacs?
15:16<sirwadafuq>no man I dont want some terminal shit,
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15:16<oingodoingo>sirwadafuq, have you tried pluma? It is the text editor that mate uses. It's a fork of gedit
15:16<sirwadafuq>I want a decent gui text editor like notepad++
15:16<sirwadafuq>oh thanks oingodoingo
15:17<B4dC0der>u know, emacs has a ui
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15:17<oingodoingo>sirwadafuq, I don't think it's in Debian Wheezy though, mate is currently only in testing and sid
15:17<oingodoingo>You can also try Kate but that is for KDE
15:17<sirwadafuq>Wel I wont touch wheezy, its a steaming pile of dog doo, Im using squeeze until something better comes along
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15:18<oingodoingo>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_text_editors
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15:18<sirwadafuq>hopefully they wont ship debian 8 with another queered up GUI
15:19<oingodoingo>sirwadafuq, I actually like GNOME 3 haha :s
15:19<oingodoingo>sirwadafuq, but Mate is a fork of gnome 2, it's very much like the original gnome 2 except with improvements
15:19<sirwadafuq>Sorry, that crap wont even install on half the machines I have attempted
15:19<sirwadafuq>dont get past partman
15:19<oingodoingo>And you can install it through the Debian installer once Jessie is released
15:19<sirwadafuq>and the ones that actually do install, yeah I am hit with instant errors, reboots and x server crashes because some idiot enabled that retarded acceleration shit by default
15:19<sirwadafuq>assuming that it would be just dandy on all chipsets
15:19<sirwadafuq>FAIL
15:20<oingodoingo>sirwadafuq, what chipset are you using? Is it intel?
15:20<oingodoingo>Could it be that it's using SNA by default and causing issues...
15:20<sirwadafuq>Unfortunately, it doesnt seem to matter, intel or nvidia
15:20<sirwadafuq>I have had the same experience on both
15:21<sirwadafuq>I mean I really just gave up on wheezy
15:21<oingodoingo>Ah that sucks, but no issues with squeeze?
15:21<sirwadafuq>I mean it would be one thing if the errors were just one system or two
15:21<sirwadafuq>no issues in squeeze
15:21<sirwadafuq>but
15:21<sirwadafuq>I mean
15:21<sirwadafuq>If I cant even get past partman on half the god damn machines I try to install wheezy on whats the fucking point pof trying
15:22<sirwadafuq>it just locks up at "detecting partitions"
15:22<sirwadafuq>or loading partman or w/e
15:22<sirwadafuq>I would think that would have been fixed by now
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15:23<oingodoingo>sirwadafuq, I suppose just wait for Jessie :/ it'll be out soon
15:24<oingodoingo>What do you use Debian for? I'm just curious
15:24<B4dC0der>he left the channel a minute ago
15:25<oingodoingo>oh....
15:25<oingodoingo>He seems a little upset :/ too bad I couldn't help
15:25<B4dC0der>u think? :)
15:25<B4dC0der>he seemed quite upset
15:26<oingodoingo>:s
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15:27<B4dC0der>linux distros today have come a very log way in terms of installation and stability
15:27<B4dC0der>i can't remember having any install issues with debian or any other for the past couple of years
15:27<oingodoingo>B4dC0der, yeah it seems to me that it's a lot better now than it was a couple years ago
15:27<B4dC0der>its a bit surprising hearing people still have trouble with the install
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15:34<oingodoingo>B4dC0der, I know this is for Debian Stable but I have a question regarding nouveau if you have any idea
15:34<oingodoingo>For some reason 3D acceleration doesn't work properly with Debian Testing with nouveau but is fine on Arch
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15:34<oingodoingo>well nevermind lol
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15:49<zathras>hi, mtp integration (to connect (android) devices as drives) is a bit flaky in Wheezy. A newer version of gvfs-backends is required according to the wiki. However there seems to be no official backport. What is the recommended way (without upgrading to sid) to tackle this please?
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16:11<bb2>hello, wheezy startup Help message:[fail]starting acpi-fakekey daemon...failed (modprobe uinput failed, please use dmseg to find out why). Thanks
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16:12<venturi>bb2: use dmesg as it says :)
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16:14<bb2>venturi: there is a lot of info, i dont understand at all ¿what to look for?
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16:18<retrospectacus>something about uinput or fakekey
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16:21<bb2>nothing about uinput or fakekey only ACPI _OSC request failed (AE ERROR) returne control mask:0x1d
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16:22<bb2>ACPI _OSC control for PCIe not granted, disabling ASPM
16:22<venturi>uhmmm let me check bb2
16:23<bb2>there is a similar bug #717398 but theres no how to solve
16:23<venturi>which kernel are you running, bb2?
16:24<venturi>i found that you got to update the kernel, but if you are running stable... uhmmm
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16:25<venturi>i think i got the very same error message with my old laptop when i run 2.32 branch, but i'm not sure bb2
16:25<bb2>uname -r = 3.2.0-4-686-pae
16:26<venturi>ok so that's odd, in theory it was a bug with the older version of the kernel, not with 3.2.*
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16:26<bb2>wheezy was running ok until last software update now it freezes like
16:26<venturi>or maybe im not well informed xD
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16:27<bb2>if the disply isnt set up properly
16:27<venturi>bb2 sorry im at phone brb!
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16:27<bb2>ok
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16:28<bb2>venturi: u are right informed
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16:33<ah>hi
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16:38<venturi>sorry bb2 im back! my girlfriend xD
16:38<venturi>well, so it must be something else, the error i mean
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16:39<bb2>venturi: thanks
16:39<venturi>and did you notice what packages were updated?
16:39<venturi>which*
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16:40<bb2>venturi: no, i usually just click to update
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16:42<venturi>perhaps if you pick testing branch for only updating the kernel and then fallback to your sources.list, it fixes the issue
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16:42<venturi>but may generate some new issues xD
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16:43<venturi>i'm actually running 3.16.0-4-amd64 and everything's fine
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16:44<bb2>venturi: perhaps ..
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16:45<venturi>let me check a bit more
16:45<bb2>but i dont kwow how to
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16:48<bb2>the laptop freezes and keyboar does not respond. nor mouse
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16:48<venturi>may you tell me your laptop specs, please?
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16:48<venturi>in private please, so we don't spam here, everyone is silent xD
16:49<bb2>venturi: ok
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16:51<venturi>bb2: can you read my private?
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18:03<henry_>Hello
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18:05<venturi>gnite from Spain, henry_
18:06<henry_>gnite
18:06<henry_>losfrutis
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18:07<henry_>is there anyone here
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18:14<monk>how should I re-partition an encrypted wheezy install, to install windows 7?
18:14<monk>without losing data
18:16<venturi>monk: create a virtual machine with virtualbox and don't install windows 7 :D
18:16<monk>not a sufficient option.
18:16<venturi>or you can shrink it with gparted or any software like that using a debian live cd, for instance
18:16<monk>it is the same for an encrypted partition?
18:16<monk>same process
18:17<monk>I mean for a regular partition
18:17<monk>it is the same process?
18:17<venturi>it should be, but never tested it
18:17<venturi>so dont test it :) ill get some info, brb
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19:19<awal>monk usually it's preferred to install windows first then debian if u want a dual boot or you may get inyo trouble when booting windows
19:19<awal>into
19:19<awal>^
19:20<retrospectacus>it's preferred, but easy enough to fix the MBR using a liveCD or so after Windows wiped it out without asking
19:21<retrospectacus>better than the alternative :)
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19:24<awal>monk, for a standard dualboot this may help you https://wiki.debian.org/WindowsDualBoot
19:24<awal>suerte :)
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19:52<magyar>hi, what are these kernel messages mean: "kernel:[31533.574177] do_IRQ: 1.83 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)" ?
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21:46<hdb2>hi - I'm trying to compile something that cannot find sys/stdtypes.h. is there a way to search what package has this file? my google searching hasn't come up with anything useful...if someone could point me in the right direction I would really appreciate it.
21:47<Rcart>hdb2: use apt-file
21:48<hdb2>Rcart: thank you! much appreciated.
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21:48<Rcart>hdb2: you're welcome =)
21:49<somiaj>hdb2: you can also use packages.debian.org. usually .h files are in the developer version of a libary, so libfoo-dev
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21:49<behemoth_>is this the correct server for downloading packages: ftp.us.debian.org
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21:51<hdb2>somiaj: thank you as well, appreciated.
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21:52<Rcart>behemoth_: yes, it is. But to choose your nearest mirror you should try using netselect (or better netselect-apt) in case that your're looking for your faster (maybe not the best) sources.list file
21:54<somiaj>behemoth_: it is suggest you use http.debian.net instead. Both http.debian.net and ftp.<country code>.debian.org are redirectors to a 'reasonable' mirror with http.debian.net being a bit better at finding a good mirror
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22:30<Cylus>Does anyone know a package that would allow me to map gamepad buttons so they are interpreted by an application as keyboard key presses?
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23:12<rjsalts>Cylus: xmodmap?
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