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02:06<gdog>Does anyone here know how I can download the ENTIRE debian repository? (thousands and thousands of packages)
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02:11<dondelelcaro>!mirror
02:11<dpkg>Debian mirror sites are listed at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt and http://deb.li/map ; ask me about <apt-spy>, <netselect-apt>, <http.debian.net>, <debian mirror checker>. To make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ ; see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <ftpsync>, <mirror size>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
02:11<dondelelcaro>gdog: see above.
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02:16<gdog>dondelelcaro: I take it there are not DVDs #6, #7, #8, etc?
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02:17<dondelelcaro>gdog: they exist, but they're not on the main mirrors.
02:17<dondelelcaro>gdog: package mirrors are separate from the cdimage mirrors
02:19<gdog>dondelelcaro: where can I find more DVD images? I have wheezy #1, #2, #3, and Updates #1 & #2 -- where are the rest of the images? I searched google and can't find anything.
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02:19<gdog>dondelelcaro: do the CD images mirrors have *more* DVDs?
02:19<gdog>dondelelcaro: More than just the standard #1, #2, #3
02:20<gdog>dondelelcaro: I'm trying to find a set of DVD ISO images that cover all of the packages in the entire repository (e.g. xbill)
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02:25<dondelelcaro>gdog: the cd image mirrors have quite a few, but if you want the full set, you might have to build some of them from jigdo files
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02:26<gdog>Has Debian considered how much of their userbase they might lose by going with systemd as the default?
02:26<gdog>Debian was my last resort.
02:27<dondelelcaro>gdog: yes, and the converse is true, too.
02:28<gdog>dondelelcaro: If debian goes full-on systemd, I won't have any other distributions to turn to.
02:28<gdog>dondelelcaro: what do you mean by converse is true?
02:28<gdog>dondelelcaro: oh wait
02:28<dondelelcaro>gdog: we also considered how many people we would have lost if we didn't switch
02:28<Apollo>systemd rants should be done in /dev/null thank you
02:28<gdog>dondelelcaro: you mean how many they will lose if they don't switch
02:28<gdog>Apollo: I know better than to bring a systemd rant in here. I've been away from Debian for a number of years and didn't know it had changed so much.
02:29<gdog>Apollo: I'm sure it's been heard to death
02:29<gdog>I sure wish I knew where I could go in the forums and read the debates.
02:30<dondelelcaro>gdog: you can start by reading the systemd bug
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02:31<gdog>dondelelcaro: where is it?
02:31<dondelelcaro>gdog: I'd start with the position statements, and go on from there. https://bugs.debian.org/727708
02:31<gdog>systemd-bugs mailing list?
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02:35<gdog>Are there conspiracy theories regarding systemd? (I am serious)
02:36<dondelelcaro>yes. there are always conspiracy theories.
02:36<gdog>Are there talks about what to call the new fork?
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02:37<dondelelcaro>there are always loads of forks of Debian, and AFAICT, no actual named developers are working on the debianfork or forkdebian or whatever it was one.
02:37<shadow>for..k
02:37<dondelelcaro>but forks or derivatives aren't really on topic here.
02:37<bartm>dondelelcaro: true :-)
02:38<shadow>I'm nary 30 years old male hacker have been at it since age 6, you know all, I don't see what is the problem with systemd, it's another broken piece of software like any other so make a patch and go fix it
02:39<shadow>same was true before Debian, there were lots of crazy init systems here or there. why all the attention?
02:40<gdog>shadow: I'm going to study systemd in detail
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02:41<gdog>shadow: if my conclusion is that it's an evil mess, I will create a website dedicated to spreading those thoughts. If it's wonderful, I might get behind the bandwagon. I took a look at in in CentOS 7 and it was very alien to me, mostly because it didn't feel like unix.
02:41*shadow sigh
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02:42<gdog>shadow: I think it's going to be very interesting to see how things play out with systemd with Linux distros in the future. Who knows, maybe some adopt it now, but drop it later.
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02:43<shadow>it's up to you how you want to think about it, I see that, know that I see it like a joy that we can modify and improve the code we're working with
02:43<shadow>if the code isn't what we want, why complain?
02:44<shadow>that I don't and still have trouble imagining why so many people make a big deal about one software or another
02:44<gdog>As long as I can do an init style install and not have issues due to less support, I might not mind.
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02:45<gdog>shadow: As long as they keep *both* options
02:45<gdog>shadow: and support them both fully
02:45<shadow>it might be time to learn new things?
02:45<shadow>I had to learn about "journalctl" so I can see X11 logs
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02:46<gdog>shadow: I brought unit into my life because I wanted something that is somewhat timeless
02:46<shadow>ah
02:46<gdog>shadow: an OS that I wouldn't have to re-learn during each release -- like what microsoft does.
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02:47<shadow>you uninstall bash and re-write all scripts to use ksh? ha
02:47<gdog>shadow: as far as I can tell, everything was working fine. systemd seems like a very bold experiment to me.
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02:47<shadow>or... compile all kernels without any module support
02:47<gdog>shadow: I'll keep using debian as long as they keep the init option
02:47<shadow>yeah
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02:48<shadow>I hope Debian works for your needs, and if it doesn't, there's a lot of options maybe one of those other options is better for your task
02:48<gdog>shadow: I honestly couldn't take CentOS 7 seriously after what I saw. All the systemd commands is *A LOT* to learn.
02:48<gdog>shadow: I've been using Linux heavily since 1998 and have evaluated many different distributions. Debian is my only option now.
02:48<stemid>do you still use ifconfig too?
02:48<gdog>stemid: of course
02:48<stemid>:D
02:49<gdog>stemid: everyone uses that
02:49<stemid>I was being ironic, ifconfig started getting phased out 10 years ago
02:49<gdog>stemid: systemd seems like more typing to me
02:49<shadow>ha yeah
02:49<shadow>it's all "iputils" now no?
02:49<stemid>yes
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02:49<stemid>shadow: this discussion is pretty lame. feels like there's a sale on soapboxes rather than an actual problem. and it's sad that it will lead to even more fragmentation.
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02:50<gdog>shadow: the distro maintainers can change whatever they want, but it's the market that will decide.
02:50<gdog>stemid: what do you propose?
02:50<shadow>yeah to be clear it's not the literal discussion we're having, fyi gdog, we're just part of the bigger discussion, I think
02:51<gdog>shadow: not sure what you mean
02:51<shadow>the one on twitter and "internets" sigh
02:51<stemid>I'm not involved with debian development. I'm only a long time linux user that actually recently switched to fedora 20 on my personal laptop. but I propose we listen to the body that dictates what direction debian takes.
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02:51<stemid>and if we want to get involved with that body of decision making, then do it.
02:51<stemid>but I don't have the time for that, so I follow them.
02:52<shadow>sorry not "iputils" it is iproute2
02:52<gdog>stemid: I'm considering registering as an official debian member so I can vote on the matter.
02:52<stemid>that's a good idea
02:52<gdog>stemid: Quite honestly, I think Debian is the last remaining awesome distro.
02:52<stemid>but I've heard that the matter is already settled because you can choose which init system to use.
02:53<stemid>I guess now work remains to make that choice available in debian-installer too but that's only speculation. I assume the choice is through apt.
02:54<gdog>stemid: I didn't remember CentOS giving me an option during install. :)
02:54<gdog>stemid: never asked, maybe it was some checkmark box hidden away
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02:57*gdog installs systemd
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03:00<gdog>has ian murdock commented on systemd?
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03:04<berto>gdog: do you realistically think distros will drop systemd in the future?
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03:05<gdog>berto: I've been using Linux harcore for 15+ years and I predict there will be a backlash.
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03:05<gdog>berto: I predict that if systemd dominates the distros, there will be a bunch of people that will create a distro that doesn't use it
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03:05<berto>I've also been 15+ years here and I bet it won't happen
03:05<berto>sure, there might be niche distros
03:06<gdog>berto: what percentage of debian users are running systemd?
03:06<berto>I don't have that data
03:06<shadow>well, all of them on Jessie, the next release... I think
03:06<OdyX>gdog: popcon says "most testing hosts".
03:06<gdog>berto: it's the default install, doesn't mean everyone selects that option
03:06<berto>what's your point exactly
03:07<gdog>berto: well, at my job we won't use a distro in house if it has systemd
03:07<gdog>berto: requires too much retraining
03:07<berto>you don't need to use systemd
03:07<gdog>berto: exactly
03:07<berto>so what's the problem?
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03:08<gdog>berto: the problem is that I like unix
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03:08<gdog>berto: I use linux because I like unix
03:08<berto>so?
03:09<gdog>berto: I'm starting to wonder about upcoming competitors to systemd, too
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03:09<berto>such as...'¡
03:09<berto>?
03:09<gdog>berto: maybe I'll make one
03:10<berto>why? you didn't like sysvinit?
03:11<gdog>berto: I got used to it.
03:11<berto>so why do you need to make a new one?
03:11<gdog>berto: I think systemd's architecture isn't very elegant
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03:11<berto>why don't you just keep using sysvinit then?
03:12<gdog>berto: and the systemd command style is irritating
03:12<gdog>berto: I want debian to stay like Unix
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03:12<gdog>berto: I plan to use sysvinit
03:12<berto>you mean you want debian to be without systemd, right?
03:13<medicalwei>You can, but just remember that you should get rid of gnome 3 dependency.
03:13<gdog>berto: that dependency is pretty messed up
03:13<shadow>eh
03:13<gdog>berto: what happens when systemd crashes?
03:13<berto>but what's stopping you from using sysvinit exactly?
03:13<shadow>doesn't bother me at the moment, gnome 3 won't run anyways on my -testing computer :)
03:14<shadow>debugging that at the moment is tonight's project
03:14<gdog>berto: well, if systemd is heavily deployed it will hurt support for sysvinit
03:14<gdog>berto: developers will have to cater to both
03:14<berto>and if that's the case, what is your plan to prevent that from happening?
03:15<gdog>berto: I'm still thinking
03:15*shadow bets on hiring the Expendables
03:16<gdog>berto: I prefer scripts and elegance, maybe we can refine sysvinit
03:16<berto>gdog: sure, will you contribute to the maintenance of sysvinit ?
03:16<gdog>berto: but I don't think the benefits outweigh the cons
03:17<gdog>berto: who knows, I might consider that. I want to become a member.
03:17<gdog>berto: I wanted to become a package owner many years back.
03:17<berto>gdog: good luck then, I'm sure the sysvinit maintainers will appreciate all the help they can get
03:17<gdog>berto: but was too lazy to fax my drivers license
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03:19<berto>my point is: no one is forcing you to use systemd. if you don't want to install software that depends on systemd, don't do it.
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03:20<berto>but if you think developers are doing something wrong and should do what you suggest instead, then read the results of the latest vote
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03:21<gdog>berto: I don't want systemd's presence to infringe on me. As the default install option, that diminishes the amount of the support that the init system receives.
03:21<gdog>berto: I get the feeling that debian wants to be like a contemporary operating system
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03:22<arunjoseph>Hi. I want to edit the gurb to make windows 7 the first boot.
03:22<shadow>arunjoseph: couple of ways to do this
03:23<shadow>arunjoseph: you could actually change the order in the menu, or an easier way I think is to enable "savedefault" feature which remembers what menu selection you make
03:23<gdog>berto: Maybe another way to look at this is that systemd is something that linux can call its own. That Debian GNU/Linux/init is just as good as Debian GNU/Linux/systemd
03:23<berto>gdog: hey, you don't like systemd, I got it. Really, I got it. We all got it
03:24<shadow>dead horse is dead. er.
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03:24<gdog>berto: I'm still charting out my strategy on how I'm going to try to deal with it all.
03:24<shadow>arunjoseph: hang on looking up what I did for savedefault to get it working
03:24<arunjoseph>how to change the order in menu?
03:25<arunjoseph>ok
03:25<gdog>berto: I think Debian should leave the init system as an open slot in the distro, and anything you want could be dropped in.
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03:26<gdog>be it sysvinit or systemd
03:26<shadow>arunjoseph: edit (as root) the file /etc/default/grub
03:27<shadow>you will need "GRUB_DEFAULT=saved" changed, and also add "GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true"
03:27<shadow>finally (as root) trigger an update of grub config files to be recreated with "update-grub" command
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03:27<shadow>arunjoseph: I think that should work but it is a guess
03:28<peter1138>If he wants Win7 to boot, can't he just put the index for Win7 in GRUB_DEFAULT? Although if extra kernels are added it would mess up :S
03:28<shadow>yeah peter1138 I'm thinking you're right about possibly it gets messed up when kernels are updated
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03:32<arunjoseph>thks i have now made the changed to grub file
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05:02<ArtooDetoo>how can I set that rsyslog is logging into auth.log and not auth.log.1?
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05:07<theocrite>How can we know why a specific package is in contrib instead of main?
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05:14<SynrGy>theocrite: what's the package?
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05:14<theocrite>SynrGy: virtualbox.
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05:15<SynrGy>while it is dfsg free itself, it has non-free dependencies
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05:17<SynrGy>specifically non-free *build* dependencies
05:18<SynrGy>the non-free compiler Open Watcom is required to build the BIOS since virtualbox 4.2
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05:18<SynrGy>upstream is apparently deaf to our concerns :p
05:18<peter1138>Is it still Oracle?
05:18<SynrGy>yes
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05:19<planetmaker>boah, haven't heard of that compiler for ages... :)
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05:20<planetmaker>but oracle being oracle things won't change any time soon. If at all. Unless it's successfully forked
05:21<mongrol>tsk oracle
05:21<theocrite>But when I check https://packages.debian.org/jessie/virtualbox, I see only standard dependances. I don't see anything non-free.
05:21<mongrol>it astounds me how they actually make money
05:21<theocrite>Maybe it's not a package dependance then? The package itselfs downlads it or something?
05:21<SynrGy>theocrite: probably the bios is embedded in upstream's source tarball
05:22<peter1138>As SynrGy already said, it's a build dependency.
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05:22<peter1138>Hmm
05:22<SynrGy>since in main all source must be provided ...
05:22<peter1138>Open Watcom claims to be open source.
05:22<SynrGy>this goes into contrib
05:22<SynrGy>yes, it claims to be, but fails the DFSG
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05:23<SynrGy>the OSI approves it but the FSF doesn't and neither does debian
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05:24<SynrGy>http://bugs.debian.org/674650
05:24<SynrGy>argh, mispaste
05:24<SynrGy>https://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/07/msg00011.html
05:24<SynrGy>^^ this
05:24<theocrite>pamaury_: so by build dependency I assume you don't mean a deb package.
05:24<SynrGy>you can google further yourself and/or follow the thread linked within
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05:26<theocrite>SynrGy: I see thanks for the pointer.
05:27<SynrGy>np
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05:28<theocrite>So if I understand correctly, Open Watcom is downloaded from Internet by virualbox itself right? It does not depend from a non-free deb package providing Open Watcom?
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05:28<peter1138>No.
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05:41<SynrGy>theocrite: read the copyright file for virtualbox. it explains
05:41<SynrGy>(and confirms my earlier conjecture)
05:42<SynrGy>and in general, that should answer "why is this in contrib" in future for other packages
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05:43<SynrGy>theocrite: This package is not part of the Debian operating system.
05:43<SynrGy>It is in the "contrib" area of the Debian archive because it requires a
05:43<SynrGy>non-free compiler (Open Watcom) to build the BIOS.
05:43<SynrGy>Upstream provides pre-built BIOS images which is used instead.
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05:43<SynrGy>crap. another case of wrong paste buffer
05:43<SynrGy>i had the link to the copyright file ...
05:44*SynrGy blames parcellite
05:44<theocrite>:)
05:44<theocrite>ty SynrGy
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05:44<SynrGy>http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//contrib/v/virtualbox/virtualbox_4.3.18-dfsg-1_copyright
05:44<SynrGy>i.e. go to packages.debian.org, click down through to the version for the release you want to examine. see the sidebar for "Copyright file"
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05:48<Ernst>hello, anyone here who knows Raspeberry Pi?
05:49<SynrGy>Ernst: it's OT for this channel
05:49<Ernst>ok, can you help me to find help on this topic, please?
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05:50<SynrGy>if you have general questions about raspberry pi, there is:
05:50<SynrGy>!raspberry pi
05:50<dpkg>The Raspberry Pi is an open hardware design based on a Broadcom system-on-a-chip, requiring <non-free> <firmware>. Debian's <armel> port works fine, but does not use the Pi's hardware floating point unit. Debian's <armhf> port targets a newer revision of the ARM chip than is in the Pi, so armhf will not work on it. http://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi http://www.raspberrypi.org/ #raspberrypi on irc.freenode.net.
05:50<Ernst>because i use debian wheezy on my Pi and want to set it up for internet access
05:50<theocrite>nice http://hackaday.com/2014/11/18/running-debian-on-a-graphing-calculator/
05:51<SynrGy>oh ... debian on it. hmm
05:51<theocrite>SynrGy: great hint! Thanks.
05:51<SynrGy>Ernst: if it's raspbian, you would see #raspbian on freenode. if debian, though, we could try ...
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05:51<SynrGy>but we need details. no, i don't know rpi
05:52<SynrGy>there may be others here that know
05:52<Brigo>as far as i know debian does not support Raspeberry Pi very well.
05:52<SynrGy>exactly
05:52<SynrGy>but it is technically possible
05:52<Brigo>yet -i hope- :)
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05:52<Ernst>debian is on rpis website the recommendet OS to use
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05:52<SynrGy>well, fsvo "debian"
05:53<SynrGy>they may consider raspbian "a kind of debian"
05:53<SynrGy>but we don't support derivs here
05:53<Ernst>ok, i see
05:53<SynrGy>so most people with rpi opt for raspbian, which is supported at #raspbian on freenode
05:53<Ernst>i dont want to trouble anybody
05:54<Ernst>please ignore me till i found the way out
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05:54<SynrGy>ok. (though if you wanted to ask anyway, it's no trouble ...)
05:55<Ernst>i feel bad having asked OT and seeing ppl that push me away. sorry
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05:55<Brigo>that's why, in their download home page they say Raspbian (Debian Wheezy)
05:55<Ernst>how can i leave?
05:55<Ernst>i am pretty new
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05:56<Ernst>ok, found it. see you
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06:09<peter1138>Hmm, Wheezy's PHP gets another update.
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06:20<petn-randall>peter1138: I hope it does.
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06:31<deepblue>http://paste.debian.net/132482/ ,how to fix this?
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06:34<TobiX>deepblue: Didn't you mean /dev/sdd1 or something? Is the filesystem directly on the disk?
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06:34<theocrite>deepblue: you should check the output of fdisk -l /dev/sdd
06:36<deepblue>TobiX, oh,thanx.now started
06:38<deepblue>now i got this, http://paste.debian.net/132484/
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07:14<AckRite>Hello, new user here. Can anyone help me out?
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07:15<ixi>!ask
07:15<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:17<AckRite>I get different ssh timestamps after booting my machine
07:17<AckRite>I check status of ssh and it gives me my time +3h
07:17<AckRite>After service ssh restart its OK, but should it be like that?
07:18<AckRite>Active: active (exited) since Wed, 19 Nov 2014 17:01:40 +0200
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07:19<AckRite> Active: active (running) since Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:06:49 +0200; 1s ago
07:19<AckRite>two consecutive statuses
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07:45<wieczorek1990>init is back?
07:46<devil_>wieczorek1990: what?
07:47<wieczorek1990>ah i thought that systemd totally replaced init and now I noticed init update. It was never dropped right?
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07:47<devil_>wieczorek1990: right, just not default anymore for jessie
07:47<wieczorek1990>thanks devil_
07:48<wieczorek1990>I have some held back packages: cpp-4.9 g++-4.9 gcc-4.9 gcc-4.9-base libasan1 libatomic1 libcilkrts5 libgcc-4.9-dev libgcc1 libgfortran3 libgomp1 libitm1 liblsan0 libobjc4 libquadmath0 libstdc++-4.9-dev libstdc++6 libtsan0 libubsan0. What do do? dist-upgrade doesn't help
07:49<wieczorek1990>to do*
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07:50<devil_>wieczorek1990: ŵait until resolved
07:50<devil_>wieczorek1990: gcc is available in 64, but not on 32-bit.
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07:51<devil_>wieczorek1990: that happens on multiarch systems from time to time
07:51<devil_>and on every gcc update :)
07:51<wieczorek1990>If not that stupid Skype I wouldn't be using 32 bit :p
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07:51<devil_>wieczorek1990: I switched to google hangouts
07:52<wieczorek1990>I will probably need to use both in work
07:52<devil_>wieczorek1990: the problem should be resolved with the next mirror sync
07:52<devil_>wieczorek1990: the problem should be resolved with the next mirror sync
07:52<devil_>ups
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07:54<wieczorek1990>I did try 64bit talk plugin but there was no sound, it works with 32bit. How is it on your machine devil_?
07:55<devil_>wieczorek1990: ŝkype stopped working reliably, google hangoutrs works flawless (debian unstable)
07:55<devil_>I use it every day with video and chat
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07:55<wieczorek1990>devil_: I'm asking which deb do you have 32/64? https://www.google.com/tools/dlpage/hangoutplugin/download.html?hl=pl
07:56<wieczorek1990>I'm on sid too
07:56<ashish>anybody have an idea
07:56<peter1138>I have many ideas.
07:56<ashish>about phpversion 5.6.2
07:56<ashish>and httpd 2.4
07:56<devil_>wieczorek1990: i have the 64-bit version of google-talkplugin
07:57<ashish>come on man
07:57<peter1138>ashish, that doesn't sound like Debian.
07:57<ashish>dont want any plugin
07:57<ashish>oopsy
07:57<ashish>wrong window
07:57<peter1138>:-)
07:57<ashish>well by the way
07:57<ashish>if you have something that can help me
07:57<ashish>:/
07:57<ashish>will be thankful to you
07:57<wieczorek1990>devil_ did you have to install anything more besides the google-talkplugin? Did you install from repo or from google site?
07:58<devil_>ashish: if you would ask a question, then maybe....
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07:58<ashish>okay alright
07:58<devil_>wieczorek1990: from repo, and no, nothing else
07:58<devil_>need to run
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07:58<ashish>i want to know if we can install php5.6.2 with httpd2.4
07:58<ashish>or not
07:59<ashish>there is php extension that communicates between apache and php
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07:59<ashish>commonly known as
07:59<ashish>php in centos/rhel
08:00<ashish>and libapachemod in ubuntu/debian
08:00<ashish>so i am kinda stucked with these things i want to install php 5.6.2 with apache2.4
08:01<ashish>in debian repos all we have php5.5.9 with apache 2.4
08:02<ashish>checked all centos / rhel repo they have php5.6.2 with httpd2.4
08:02<planetmaker>and the probem now is?
08:02<ashish>problem is
08:02<ashish>php-extension
08:03<peter1138>Yeah, I don't think we can help here.
08:03<planetmaker>that's a package. Not a problem per se. Though one can argue it's php, thus a problem
08:04<ashish>i know thats a package
08:04<ashish>umm
08:04<ashish>when i try to install that package it throws error
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08:04<ashish>it says u need to install apache 2.2
08:05<ashish>instead of apache2.4
08:05<ashish>i.e
08:05<ashish>php5.6.2 goes only with apache2.2
08:05<ashish>?
08:05<ashish>that is my question
08:05<ashish>if we talk in the case of a lamp set up
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08:06<ashish>anyone
08:06<ashish>?
08:09<planetmaker>I'm pretty sure you can run that also together. Just possibly not the the pre-made packages
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08:09<ashish>hmm u mean to say i should install via source packages
08:09<ashish>?
08:10<planetmaker>i.e. jessi has php 5.6 and apache 2.4
08:10<ashish>yeah
08:10<ashish>we can install
08:11<ashish>but the issue is with the php extension for apache
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08:12<ashish>okay alright
08:12<ashish>thanks for your time
08:12<ashish>later
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08:21<billydaz>hello
08:22<billydaz>anyone know how to install mate on kali
08:22<ansgar>!kali
08:22<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>.
08:22<billydaz>thanks ansgar
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08:23<billydaz>thanks dpkg
08:23<billydaz>but thats freenode
08:23<billydaz>?
08:24<ansgar>billydaz: Yes, #kali-linux is on freenode.
08:24<billydaz>ok
08:24<billydaz>thanks
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08:35<Yatekii>guys anyone with realtek audio here?
08:35<blast007>Yatekii: if you have a specific question, you should just ask it
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08:39<Yatekii>well I have realtek audio on my mobo but sound is really strange. and by strange I mean I gues sthat only digital works, but analog not ...
08:40<Yatekii>I have 2 plugs, one works one not (on my front panel ... more on the back of my pc, but wont use them since too far away)
08:40<Yatekii>and the one that works sounds real strange
08:40<Yatekii>tried to compile the drivers from realtek but there occurs some errors
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08:41<Yatekii>tried to google but all users that wanted help on that topic were told like checking stupid shit instead of actually getting any help
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08:44<Sammy123>hey there
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08:44<Sammy123>I've got a server that takes ages for small apt-get tasks to complete
08:44<Sammy123>other programs behave strange as well
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08:44<Sammy123>copying large files however works as fast as ever
08:45<Sammy123>ps -aux says it's in Ds+ state
08:45<Sammy123>iotop says no IO operations ongoing
08:45<Sammy123>htop says no CPU usage
08:45<Sammy123>ages means half an hour or longer
08:46<Sammy123>it took an hour to install iotop ...
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08:46<Sammy123>what can I do to determine the cause of this?
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08:49<blast007>Yatekii: are you using pulseaudio?
08:49<Yatekii>blast007: no I guess alsa
08:50<Yatekii>atm I cannot even hear anything anymore
08:50<Yatekii>I dont get those settings ...
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08:50<blast007>!alsa checklist
08:50<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
08:52<wieczorek1990>Hey, was there ever guest account support in GNOME?
08:53<Sammy123>btw, sendmail is also in D state
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08:54<Yatekii>blast007: well I am in the audio group ... in alsa mixer I cannot select the right card tho because f6 key is used diferently on my sytsem dmn :D
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08:57<mtn>Yatekii: are you using a desktop? which one if so?
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08:59<Yatekii>mtn: kde
09:00<Yatekii>I am in the alsamixer konsole gui now
09:00<Yatekii>I hear something now, but voice is nearly inexistant ...
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09:00<Yatekii>I know the whole text but if I didnt I woulkdn t know hwt em is tellin bout ...
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09:02<mtn>Yatekii: have you looked through the multimedia section in system settings?
09:02<mtn>Yatekii: perhaps you can choose a different device there.
09:03<Yatekii>mtn: yeah I did and it's - sorry - retarded ... no matter what I aply, the settins stay the same
09:03<Yatekii>and the output doesnt change too
09:03<mtn>Yatekii: if none of the settings stay changed when you change them and then hit apply, you have even worse problems ;)
09:04<Yatekii>dunno it refuses to show an analog device
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09:04<Yatekii>in alsamixer
09:04<Yatekii>mtn: yeah dunno
09:04<Yatekii>as I said, reatrded ...
09:04<Yatekii>like I really love linux
09:04<Yatekii>but it's so time consumpting
09:04<mtn>Yatekii: no, not retarded. it sounds like it is broken or not installed correctly.
09:04<Yatekii>like not even the basics work out of the box
09:05<Yatekii>and when I google tehre is always WHY are trying to do that as an answer ... its my fucking decision WHY I try to do it i just want it.
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09:07<blast007>Yatekii: run alsamixer from a virtual terminal then (Ctrl+Alt+F1, iirc, with Alt+F7 or so to get back to X)
09:07<petn-randall>Sammy123: Does anything show up red in 'atop'? Are the disks healthy, are they full?
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09:09<Yatekii1>blast007: I can slect a card now :)
09:09<Yatekii1>ich changed my shortcuts!
09:09<Yatekii1>thanks!
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09:10<Yatekii1>blast007: my problem now is that there is like different channels (is that right?) in /proc/asound/pcm but i cannot selct any of them ;S
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09:11<blast007>maybe pulseaudio would work better for you
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09:12<Yatekii1>blast007: drivers from realtek are for alsa too :S
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09:17<Sammy123>petn-randall: It's a virtual server, so I'm not sure how much I can look into details of disk health. Currently 2GB out of 200GB are used (everything is on one partition).
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09:18<Sammy123>petn-randall: I currently do not have atop installed and am waiting for the php5-downgrade to finish which I started 45minutes ago ;)
09:18<Sammy123>right now, the first package appears to be done, 7 or so to go
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09:39<LordBrain>i am on wheezy, and for some reason totem just up and broke, probably in the last upgrade or something
09:40<petn-randall>,v totem
09:40<judd>Package: totem on i386 -- squeeze: 2.30.2-6; wheezy: 3.0.1-8; sid: 3.14.0-2; jessie: 3.14.0-2
09:40<LordBrain>Anyone have any ideas about this? A security update or something?
09:40<LordBrain>it doesn't even run now, it crashes on launch
09:41<petn-randall>LordBrain: Totem hasn't changed in 2 years. Are you sure you are running Debian wheezy?
09:41<LordBrain>positive
09:41<LordBrain>i have 3.0..1-8 totem
09:41<LordBrain>i do have backports mixed in
09:41<LordBrain>but the totem isn't coming from backports or anything
09:42<LordBrain>i have used totem in the past many times without issue
09:42<LordBrain>but i do not know if i have used it since my last upgrade
09:43<Brigo>LordBrain, do you get some output if you run it from console?
09:43<LordBrain>YES
09:43<berto>LordBrain: what happens exactly?
09:43<LordBrain>yes i do
09:43<LordBrain>ok, let me post the console output
09:43<berto>ah, wheezy, sorry, I thought you meant jessie
09:43<Brigo>LordBrain, not here, see topic
09:43<LordBrain>what do you use for pastebin?
09:44<Brigo>paste.debian.net
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09:44<LordBrain>http://paste.debian.net/132516/
09:45<LordBrain>To be honest tho, i think i've always had the gtk-warnings related to the theme, so i don't think those are causing the crash
09:45<LordBrain>maybe
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09:45<LordBrain>i am running mate, and i think mate was upgraded
09:45<billydaz>how do i tell my desktop version without loggin out
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09:47<Brigo>LordBrain, if you are running mate -like me- why do you need totem?
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09:47<Brigo>LordBrain, i am not soure about the paste, this las line looks like the problem.
09:47<LordBrain>yes, the last line about the timeout
09:48<LordBrain>but that's not much info
09:48<LordBrain>what's mate's version?
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09:56<Greatman>Chatzone
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10:00<awal>A general question not specific to debian: I read somewhere in the web , and also in some debian website, that rebooting/suspending/shutigdown frequently damages the hardware components in laptop or desk machine. So it's not recommended to reboot and shutdown too much. Is that true?
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10:02<LordBrain>if i understand gdb, it seems to be getting stuck in a call to poll()
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10:13<petn-randall>awal: I highly doubt that. Desktops are built and tested just for that.
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10:14<awal>petn-randall, ok. I agree so. thanks
10:14<trees>A few days ago I was having issues using WPS push button connect.
10:15<peter1138>Well, there's harddrives spinning down and up.
10:15<berto>awal: I'd say, just use your computer normally and don't worry too much
10:15<trees>WPS push button is highly insecure so the work that went into getting it running is well worth it imo.
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10:17<trees>I used wpa_gui a QT frontend for wpa_supplicant. I created a 'fake' wireless in my /etc/network/interfaces and used 'ifup --force wlan0' to get wpa_supplicant to recognize wlan0
10:17<awal>berto, ok :)
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10:17<trees>love you all
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10:22<petn-randall>peter1138: Well, and then the drives are on 3 times as long a day if you don't turn them off at the end of the work day.
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10:34<somebody>Concerning the recent resignations, all I want to say is:
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10:36<centrx>systemd wins again
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10:37<Brigo>LEL, new for me.
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10:38<centrx>juj
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10:46<Elvano>I'm using Debian wheezy with LightDM and I would love it to show the user list at the login screen. I already changed greeter-hide-users to false in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, but it doesn't seem to make any difference
10:46<Elvano>Am I forgetting something?
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10:54<brentaarnold>Hello, I'm trying to install VMWare WS 10.0.3 in Debian Jessie (testing.) The currently installed headers package is 3.16-4 but I need 3.16-2. What's the best solution for installing a secondary set of headers?
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10:55<berto>vmware needs specifically 3.16-2 ??
10:55<brentaarnold>berto: That's what it's asking for
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10:55<berto>is it a vmware debian package?
10:56<brentaarnold>Yes
10:56<brentaarnold>.deb
10:56<brentaarnold>berto: As a matter of fact I already have the program installed, I just need to point it to the right headers package. Only problem is the one stated above.
10:57<berto>there's no problem installing two set of headers, what happens here is that it's asking from a different version of the same headers
10:57<berto>that doesn't sound normal
10:57<berto>I have to go, though
10:57<berto>sorry
10:57<berto>bye1
10:57<brentaarnold>Bye
10:58<brentaarnold>Continuing the problem: I've tried adding the wheezy/wheezy-backports repositories and installing the correct package but it cannot be found.
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10:58<berto>brentaarnold: go to snapshot.debian.net
10:59<berto>but I still there's something wrong
10:59<brentaarnold>berto: It asks me for this every time I install VMWare on Linux. I just can't install the package needed.
11:00<berto>(now I'm really away, bye!)
11:00<brentaarnold>In this specific instance, that is (since this is my home workstaiton and I'm using Jessie instead of Wheezy)
11:00<brentaarnold>See ya
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11:07<mju>brentaarnold: What is the precise error message?
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11:08<mju>It seems the package you want is http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/3.16.2-2/#linux-headers-3.16-1-amd64_3.16.2-2, but I do not know about the versioning scheme of the kernel packages.
11:08<mju>It looks like the packages have slightly different versions than the kernel.
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11:16<brentaarnold>mju: Sorry, was on a support call.
11:16<mju>no problem
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11:19<brentaarnold>mju: Depends on common, downloading common to dpkg
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11:24<brentaarnold>mju: Unfortunately I believe it sees this package as linux-headers-3.16-1 and not 2... maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I dpkg -i both the specified package as well as the dependency package (common) prior to it and they both show up in my headers directory as 3.16-1
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11:26<mju>brentaarnold: I was looking at http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/
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11:27<mju>As said, I do not know about the kernel package versions.
11:28<brentaarnold>mju: Thanks for your help, I know that you've got me on the right track. After my last statement I started to think to myself 'That sounds like you want him to go out on the net and find the package for you.'
11:28<mju>Randomly trying http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/3.16.3-2/, it seems the binary packages got a 3.16-2, but are actually the 3.16.3 kernel.
11:28<brentaarnold>Which I don't expect, but I appreciate the hell out of it.
11:29<mju>Well, I do this because I am curious. :-)
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11:30<mju>Report back if you solved your problem, please. :-)
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11:36<brentaarnold>mju: http://paste.debian.net/132544/
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11:41<mju>brentaarnold: I am not sure what you are trying to say. Installing the older snapshot with apt-get only works if you add the right lines to sources.list.
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11:41<mju>See the snapshot homepage for instructions.
11:42<brentaarnold>mju: Oh yeah, that's right.
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11:42<brentaarnold>I should've pasted the entire terminal session that way you could see the non-apt commands lol
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11:44<brentaarnold>mju: I'm trying to install the package but it's telling me that I need to first install a dependency (but the dependency is the same package?) http://paste.debian.net/132546/
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11:48<retrospectacus>it looks like you need to acquire the file linux-headers-3.16-2-all-amd64_3.16.3-2_amd64.deb
11:49<zathras>the dependency is not the same package. The names look alike, but there is a difference
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11:51<mju>brentaarnold: There is a slight difference in the package name, I think. I guess in the end you need http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/3.16.3-2/#linux-headers-3.16-2-amd64_3.16.3-2
11:51<mju>(And probably the corresponding -common packages, as before)
11:52<brentaarnold>How do you people get rewarded for all of the great help you give the community?
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11:53<centrx>brentaarnold, Fame and fortune
11:53<retrospectacus>free virtual beer
11:53<pmarty>alioth.debian.org is down. it means everything hosted on anonscm.debian.org is down too?
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11:53<mju>Distractions for a few moments.
11:57<brentaarnold>mju: and others: Problem fixed! I can't tell you how much I appreciate the help. What a load off of my shoulders!
11:58<mju>you are welcome
11:58<retrospectacus>pmarty: they are the same server, yes
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12:00<pmarty>what happened? did it blow up?
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12:00<brentaarnold>People who monitor IRC and help people... God bless you good people.
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12:02<marioxcc_>Hello. I want to customize the color of my Bash prompt.
12:02<marioxcc_>How can I do so without relying on escape sequences for specific terminals?
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12:03<awal>Any utility for check bios parameters whithout having to go to the bios manually?
12:03<awal>or a console command
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12:04<mullein>dmidecode might help
12:04<mullein>^ for awal
12:04<mullein>i don't know how detailed that command goes, though
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12:05<awal>mullein, ok. thanks :) I'll check man pages.
12:05<awal>I know the dmidecode utility but I tought that there is something more
12:06<mullein>maybe flashrom
12:06<awal>ok
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12:11<retrospectacus>marioxcc_: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/037
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12:14<marioxcc_>thanks retrospectacus
12:15<retrospectacus>sure thing
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12:23<mofino>hi, just to clarify, systemd will be installed if i upgrade a sysvinit system, correct?
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12:23<peter1138>mofino, no.
12:24<mofino>ok, i noticed the sysvinit package states it's systemd, perhaps i misread
12:24<peter1138>mofino, unless you are talking about something other than Wheezy, in which case this is the wrong channel.
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12:24<mofino>(sysvinit in jessie that is)
12:24<peter1138>#debian-next for Jessie support.
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12:25<mofino>haha really?
12:25<peter1138>See /topic
12:26<mofino>it's frozen though, i can see this if jessie was a year off...
12:26<mofino>anyway, thanks
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12:48<AlexMax>Question. I just installed wheezy on a VM and did a full-upgrade to jessie. After rebooting, I'm getting several error messages about "Failed to connect to system bus: No such file or directory". What is this talking about?
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12:55<valdyn>AlexMax: its talking about the dbus socket, probably
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12:56<AlexMax>valdyn: well, i did install debian with the minimum possible package set (no task selected)
12:56<AlexMax>so I may well be missing something
12:57<valdyn>AlexMax: no, debian is supposed to work even then
12:57<mofino>probably missing sysvinit-core :)
12:57<AlexMax>ignoring: Unit dbus.socket failed to load: No such file or directory.
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12:57<AlexMax>shouldn't a full-upgrade from stable install all necessary packages in theory?
12:57<valdyn>AlexMax: dpkg -l dbus
12:57<valdyn>AlexMax: of course it should
12:58<marioxcc_>I have installed a VM in a qcow2 file, from it I forked into 2 diverging independent files. How can I arrange so as to put those diverging states in a single qcow2 image so that they will share the common blocks?.
12:58<AlexMax>Well, before i upgraded to jessie, i uninstalled virtualbox packages because they were causing dependency issues.
12:58<AlexMax>and that orphaned a bunch of packages that i also uninstalled.
12:59<valdyn>marioxcc_: one way to do that would be using btrfs as the underlying storage
12:59<valdyn>marioxcc_: i dont know if theres a higher level way, there probably is
12:59<valdyn>AlexMax: thats not the problem
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12:59<valdyn>AlexMax: show the outputs for "apt-get -f install" and also "dpkg -l dbus"
13:00<AlexMax>valdyn: I already aptitude install dbus and that fixed things
13:00<marioxcc_>valdyn: I'm looking to do it at the qcow2 level
13:00<AlexMax>I can recreate the conditions of the error, however, if the problem has your curiosity
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13:01<valdyn>AlexMax: well, some package is obviously missing the dbus dependency where it should have it
13:01<AlexMax>dpkg -l dbus showed it was uninstalled
13:01<dpkg>ii dbus showed it was uninstalled 1.2-11 alexmax's private stamp collection
13:01<AlexMax>huh
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13:02<valdyn>AlexMax: alternatively you had 3rd party software that just needed dbus
13:02<valdyn>AlexMax: (and that would be out of scope for debian package management)
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13:03<AlexMax>I do notice that `aptitude install` with no packages listed has a bunch of stuff it wants to install on its own accord
13:03<valdyn>AlexMax: thats expected if you used apt-get before and used aptitude before that
13:04<AlexMax>the only time i ever invoked apt-get was to do the apt-get -f install thing you suggested
13:04<AlexMax>and i said 'no' to the prompt
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13:04<valdyn>AlexMax: uh
13:04<valdyn>AlexMax: you should not say no there
13:05<Obi>hello everibody
13:05<valdyn>AlexMax: and it means that you had an error earlier that you ignored
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13:05<AlexMax>Well, i wanted to try just plain 'apt-get install' and then 'aptitude install'
13:05<Obi>i need your help
13:05<AlexMax>just to see what happened.
13:05<AlexMax>this is a junk vm that i can reinstall at any time
13:05<centrx>Please help me Obi-Wan, you're my only hope
13:06<AlexMax>i merely wanted to see how jessie was so close to the freeze.
13:07<centrx>Sounds like an issue with the upgrade process
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13:08<valdyn>AlexMax: you ignored an error earlier.. so its pointless to try to find the issue. Just fix it (apt-get -f install) or dont, as you want.
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13:09<AlexMax>I wouldn't be surprised if an error was ignored earlier, so I'm going to start from square 1 and see if I can replicate the issue.
13:09<Obi>centrx ^^
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13:10<AlexMax>i bet i probably made a mistake by beginning from a not completely up-to-date wheezy first
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13:17*gdog feels like debian has been taken over by aliens
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13:18<origami>hello
13:19<marioxcc_>hi
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13:19<origami>where are you from? greetings from moscowe!
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13:19<ixi>!ru
13:19<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
13:20<origami>im not russian
13:20<ixi>ok
13:20<Kjetil>You are from a moss covered cow ?
13:20<origami>moo
13:20<Kjetil>:)
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13:21<marioxcc_>Where is PS1 set for bash in Debian?
13:21<marioxcc_>I found /etc/profile, but then appanently it calls /etc/bash.bashrc for bash
13:21<marioxcc_>which doesn't sell the # prompt
13:22<gdog>marioxcc_: did you check /etc/default?
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13:22<Kjetil>did you check ~/.bashrc ?
13:22<gdog>marioxcc_: er, /etc/bash.bashrc
13:22<marioxcc_>gdog: it's a directory, and there doesn't seem to be anything regarding bash configuration
13:22<gdog>marioxcc_: and ~/.bashrc
13:22<marioxcc_>yes, I checkec .bashrc, it has: PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ '
13:23<marioxcc_>~root/.bashrc is only comments
13:23<marioxcc_>yet I get the normal prompt with #, where is it set?
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13:24<gdog>marioxcc_: you could grep your entire /etc: 'find /etc -exec grep -niH "debian_chroot" {} \;'
13:24<marioxcc_>ok
13:24<AlexMax>weird - going from stable to testing requires TWO invocations of `aptitude full-upgrade`
13:25<gdog>marioxcc_: I just ran it. you can check /etc/skel/.bashrc
13:25<marioxcc_>hmm, by the way, the line above uses ' ', why does it has escaped characters?
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13:28<marioxcc_>I think that /etc/skel are just the files coped
13:28<marioxcc_>*copied when a new usere is added
13:29<AlexMax>valdyn: `aptitude install` after two invocations of `aptitude full-upgrade` does indeed install dbus.
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13:32<gdog>marioxcc_: run that find command on all the hidden files in your home directory? find ~ -iname ".*" -exec grep -niH "debian_chroot" {} \;
13:34<gdog>marioxcc_: debian_chroot=$(cat /etc/debian_chroot)
13:34<marioxcc_>gdog: I'm checking the bash documentation
13:34<gdog>marioxcc_: on my system, /etc/debian_chroot doesn't exist
13:34<marioxcc_>not here either
13:35<gdog>marioxcc_: did you notice there are two places that debian_chroot is referenced in your ~/.bashrc?
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13:36<marioxcc_>gdog: in my system is all commented out
13:36<marioxcc_>but nevermind, I found that "\$" in PS1 has a special meaning
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13:36<marioxcc_>that's why there's no explicit mention of
13:36<marioxcc_>#
13:36<marioxcc_>in the startup scripts
13:36<marioxcc_>thanks very much for your help :).
13:37<blast007>gdog: you do know that grep can search multiple files all on its own (even recursively), right? Using find -exec is a bit overkill and likely slower.
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13:37<gdog>blast007: how?
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13:37<gdog>blast007: how recursively?
13:37<gdog>marioxcc_: There are multiple references to PS1 in ~/.bashrc. I edited all three of them and now my prompt changed. That's what you need to modify.
13:37<marioxcc_>now that you mention it, with -R it's recursive
13:38<marioxcc_>gdog: right, thanks you :)
13:38<gdog>marioxcc_: I removed the "debian_chroot" reference and mine works fine.
13:38<blast007>grep 'thing' .* for stuff in the current directory or grep -r 'thing' /etc for recursive in /etc
13:39<marioxcc_>gdog: I suppose that that's set when you make a Debian system chroot jail with debootstrap, or similar
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14:05<gdog>Anyone else disappointed by the number of debian developers that remained on the fence in the systemd polls
14:05<gdog>?
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14:06<centrx>Could be construed as votes for "Does not warrant a GR" or "Needs further discussion"
14:07<gdog>centrx: good insight
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14:08<marioxcc_>gdog: what does it mean to remain on the fence?
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14:10<gdog>marioxcc_: people who don't take sides, they stay neutral
14:10<marioxcc_>ok
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14:11<gdog>marioxcc_: For example, it's not the evil people in our world that we need to fear, but rather the people who will stand aside and not take action against evil people
14:12<marioxcc_>I agree in that indolent people is a problem, yes.
14:12<gdog>marioxcc_: so when things like systemd creep up...
14:12<gdog>marioxcc_: it's the neutral people that are critical
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14:12<Maulkin>Can you take this to #debian-offtopic please?
14:12<mofino>no room for debate here huh?
14:13<marioxcc_>Maulkin: we're talking about something debian specific
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14:13<gdog>Maulkin: It's a very important topic and you know it
14:13<mofino>there is a very interesting change in thinking going on
14:13<Maulkin>This is for debian user support, #debian-offtopic is for more general discussion.
14:13<Maulkin>You're likely to find more interested people over there.
14:13<gdog>Maulkin: ok fine
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14:13<Maulkin>Thanks!
14:13<marioxcc_> /msg dpkg dsa3035
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14:15<edu>hello
14:15<Maulkin>edu: Hi there, how can we help?
14:15<edu>i have some troubles with javascript and flashplayer
14:15<mofino>hmm sounds like that's offtopic
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14:16<marioxcc_>edu: the best solution is to stop using Flash player, its proprietary software and not supported by Debian.
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14:16<marioxcc_>You're not allowed to see what you're running when you run Flash, let alone modify it to your needs or rely on the community to do so, among several other problems.
14:16<marioxcc_>If you want to see Youtube videos. Enable HTML 5.
14:17<Maulkin>marioxcc_: edu could be using gnash...
14:17<edu>how can i do that
14:17<edu>html 5
14:17<mofino>stil pretty offtopic
14:17<marioxcc_>Maulkin: he said "flashplayer", not "gnash". I take that to be a name of Adobe Flash.
14:17<mofino>nobody is asking him to move to offtopic...
14:17<marioxcc_>edu: go to http://www.youtube.com/html5 and the rest is self-documented.
14:17<edu>im just a 2 days old user of devian,,
14:18<mofino>i guess that only applies to certain discuessions
14:18<mofino>edu, sorry, not you
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14:18<Maulkin>mofino: That's enough.
14:18<mofino>Maulkin, i'm not wrong
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14:19<Maulkin>mofino: I'm not discussing this with you, try #debian-ops if you have an issue with channel policy or my application of it.
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14:19<mofino>don't worry, not looking to debate anyone, just pointing out what is
14:19<marioxcc_>Duh, moderators. They selve their own purposes before anything else.
14:19<marioxcc_>*serve
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14:20<mofino>sent you into a bit of rage, did he?
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14:27<edu>im back,,, i need help, when i start any email page, the page ask me to install javascript to continue
14:27<edu>what can i do
14:27<centrx>edu, What web browser are you using? Did you disable Javascript in your web browser?
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14:32<pentaheadron>how would you use netcat to send an http request if you have the raw text you want to resend?
14:34<edu>icewheasel
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14:36<_Gaffen_>Has anyone encountered the "missing files list file" error when installing a package with aptitude?
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16:47<bugtraq>dai blz galera
16:47<bugtraq>tem alguem na area ai
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16:48<bugtraq>ola3
16:48<devil_>!pt
16:48<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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16:50<subzero>!help
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16:51<somiaj>!ask
16:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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17:15<mattdotdeb>Im running up-to-date debian jessie and I am reading that I can tell if I am using systemd by what PID 1 is. Mine is init, but startup looks like systemd. im a it confused. Systemd is installed and I tried temp booting in systemd through grub
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17:21<subzero>when I run qemu, it consumes a lot. is there any more efficient alternative ? (not vbox)
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17:23<ixi>qemu-kvm
17:23<Maulkin>mattdotdeb: ls -l /sbin/init and cat /proc/cmdline - can you pastebin that?
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17:23<mattdotdeb>oh I see. my PID 1 being init is justa symlink to systemd. cool
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17:24<Maulkin>mattdotdeb: yeah - do you want advice on how to change it, or are you happy?
17:24<mattdotdeb>im happy, I was just curious.
17:24<Maulkin>Ok, cool :)
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17:25<mattdotdeb>One mote quick question: is it common for login screen to load and still have to wait ~10 seconds before the keyboard is usable? using SSD for boot drive on thinkpad T420
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17:26<Maulkin>mattdotdeb: Hrm... not sure - you may want to try #debian-next for jessie support, they have more experience.
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17:27<mattdotdeb>thanks
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17:29<lastplac3>im still having a hell of a time getting debian installed alongside windows 8.1
17:29<subzero>ixi : I like it, it's better ^^ 
17:29<Maulkin>lastplac3: What issues are you having?
17:30<zathras>hi. I am currently apt-get dist-upgrade -ing wheezy->jessie but it seems to hang on "processing triggers for libc-bin"
17:30<zathras>what can I do?
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17:30<Maulkin>zathras: Try #debian-next :)
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17:30<Maulkin>zathras: they have more experience in there and may have seen that issue
17:31<lastplac3>Maulkin, It didn't seem to install the bootloader, or something correctly. Windows boots and acts like it's not even there.
17:31<lastplac3>I tried to use EasyBCD like in the past but that didn't work. It would boot to a blank grub prompt
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17:31<zathras>thanks Maulkin
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17:32<lastplac3>I thought maybe it was something with UEFI because this laptop is newer, but after looking my BIOS isn't even in UEFI mode, it's in Legacy
17:32<Maulkin>lastplac3: Could you try going into the bios, and changing UEFI boot to BIOS boot?
17:32<subzero>I see .... some systems can't work under Qemu like openbsd cd
17:32<Maulkin>Oh, damn.
17:32<lastplac3>So I guess I don't even need to worry about UEFI
17:32<lastplac3>It asks me during the installer that it didn't detect a EFI parition, do I want to add one?
17:33<lastplac3>I don't want to add one... I'm assuming because I'm not using an EFI partition with Windows.
17:34<Maulkin>Hrm...
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17:34<Maulkin>lastplac3: try booting the installer again but in recovery mode (it's an option in the menu) and installign grub again.
17:34<Maulkin>lastplac3: If you're sure grub got installed, you could try #debian-boot.
17:35<lastplac3>Maulkin, have you ever used EasyBCD on Windows?
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17:36<Maulkin>Or if you can get logs from /var/log/installer/ that may help
17:36<lastplac3>I deleted my partitions earlier to reinstall and see if EFI partition was what I needed but it wasn't and I'm not trying to lock myself out of my Windows partition and be stuck.
17:36<lastplac3>I mean, do I need to create a partition infront of Windows?
17:36<Maulkin>lastplac3: Nope, afraid not. Also, your MBR isn't a partition as such.
17:37<Maulkin>It's the first bytes of the disk, before the partition table.
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17:38<lastplac3>My scheme right now is 4 partitions, Windows system, windows swap, debian, and debian swap
17:39<lastplac3>The bootloader is inside the Windows partition
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17:39<Brigo>lastplac3, windows and linux can share swap.
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17:40<lastplac3>Interesting. I'd have no idea how to set that up. I just follow the installer.
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17:40<lastplac3>After installing it the first time, it rebooted and didn't even show anything, just booted staight to Windows like Debian wasn't installed.
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17:41<lastplac3>I downloaded EasyBCD on Windows, and pointed it at the partition for Debian, and it would boot into a grub prompt, and wouldn't boot the OS.
17:42<lastplac3>Before 8.1, it just worked. And now something is different.
17:43<Maulkin>Hrm... I'm not entirely sure.
17:44<Maulkin>So, what's generally recommended is that you use grub to boot between the two.
17:45<lastplac3>OK
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17:45<lastplac3>The installer by default installed the main partition and the swap partition. Should it installed a boot partition? How does that work
17:46<lastplac3>I should have paid more attention to when I had it working awhile back
17:46<subzero>qemu-kvm & qemu are compatible ?
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18:05<Linnak>Hi, is it any difference if I install a package from here : http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/cairo-dock-plug-ins/cairo-dock-plug-ins_3.4.0-1_i386.deb
18:06<Linnak>or get a repsitory and install from there
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18:06<Linnak>repository
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18:09<centrx>Linnak, That looks like a version for testing/unstable, so it will not work if you are running stable/wheezy
18:10<centrx>Linnak, Also, apt automatically gets dependencies. If you install from a .deb file, you have to manage the dependencies yourself
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18:10<Linnak>centrx: Thank you very much
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18:12<Linnak>centrx: Do you think This (http://glx-dock.org/mr_article.php?b=5&a=74) will work and when I add unstable reos and install from there that won't work?
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18:12<Linnak>*reos=repos
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18:13<Linnak>I'm asking on a wrong place I think
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18:14<retrospectacus>!dontbreakdebian
18:14<dpkg>it has been said that dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
18:16<Linnak>Yeah I should ask on #ubuntu
18:17<retrospectacus>ubuntu?
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18:23<Linnak>retrospectacus: I read this page. So I won't use Debian because I can't even watch my series on a TV channels website because it is not recommended installing pipelight.
18:24<somiaj>you just have to be careful how you install thigns not in debian. You don't just go add some random repos and install a binary package. If the software is not made specificlly for debian wheezy you need to compile your own binary.
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18:25<Linnak>What do you think can Debian be used as an all round desktop for an average user?
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18:26<retrospectacus>from experience, yes
18:27<Linnak>But should wait everithing from it, yes?
18:27<somiaj>Linnak: I have been using debian as a desktop for 10+ years now. This includes running games and lots of other software on it. If something works in linux, it works in debian. The trick is to learn how to manage thrid party stuff correctly on a debian box.
18:27<Linnak>Like watching video on a website
18:27<markd>does anyone know how to ignore an architecture for a given entry in sources.list? I needed to run "/usr/bin/dpkg --add-architecture i386" but now I get "Failed to fetch http://archive.zfsonlinux.org/debian/dists/wheezy/Release Unable to find expected entry 'main/binary-i386/Packages' in Release file" as zfs is a amd64 only repo
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18:28<somiaj>markd: why not use a mirror that has both
18:28<Linnak>So what do you do after you read the dontbreakdebian and you need something that it isn't in the official repo
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18:28<somiaj>markd: you can use [arch] in your sources.list too, so maybe use zfs for amd64 and something else for i386.
18:28<retrospectacus>I suppose it depends on the website. I have no problem with video sites, but maybe the site designer used some technology whose client was not produced for debian
18:28<somiaj>markd: deb [amd64] http://archive.zfsonlinux.org/debian wheezy main
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18:29<somiaj>Linnak: agian the warning was if you need to watch some third party site that requires pipelight (or what ever the name of that hacisk silverlight on linux tool is), you need to correctly install it on debian, and most likley just getting a .deb from a ppa or some other random source will break your system, so you'll have to build your own package or install it locally.
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18:30<El_Presidente>hi folks
18:30<El_Presidente>whats a good web builder for debian (HTML)
18:30<El_Presidente>I come from a dreamweaver background
18:30<retrospectacus>vim
18:30<Linnak>on dontbreakdebian it is written: Don't 'make install'
18:30<markd>somiaj: "deb [amd64] http://archive.zfsonlinux.org/debian wheezy main" doesn't work
18:30<Linnak>That means to me don't install from source
18:30<El_Presidente>thinking WYSIWYG type of builder..
18:31<markd>somiaj: I get " apt-get update
18:31<markd>E: Malformed line 3 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/zfsonlinux.list ([amd64] is not an assignment)"
18:31<retrospectacus>El_Presidente: libreoffice writer -> save as html
18:31<somiaj>markd: it still tries to get the i386 sources? I did know you could specifiy additional sources that way, not sure if you can limit sources that way)
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18:31<somiaj>markd: oh it is giving you an error, maybe I rember the syntax wrong, I do recall you could put the arch in the sources.list like that
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18:31<somiaj>markd: sorry my bad, it is [arch=amd64]
18:31<somiaj>markd: that should work
18:32<retrospectacus>El_Presidente: wordpress
18:32<El_Presidente>retrospectacus: thanks for the tip, I tried libreoffice writer.. doesnt seem built for web authoring.. how about running dreamweaver using WINE or so.. anyone did something similar (ie run a heavy program using WINE.. is it feasble?)
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18:32<markd>somiaj: awesome... that worked
18:33<markd>somiaj: thank you
18:33<somiaj>El_Presidente: there are no really good dreamweave clones for the linux world that I have heard of. I know mozilla use to have a crappy one, but really most people either write their own code or use some CMS system like wordpress or drupal
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18:34<El_Presidente>somiaj: I see..
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19:15<TobiX>El_Presidente: Well, there is Nvu, basically the old Netscape Composer, but it's not in Debian AFAICS...
19:16<somiaj>TobiX: it is or was part of iceape
19:16<somiaj>but it hasn't been developed since netscape as far as I can tell and is pure crap
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19:17<El_Presidente>oh
19:17<El_Presidente>WINE+dreamweaver then?
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19:17<El_Presidente>what do you guys think? @ TobiX somiaj
19:17<El_Presidente>or any other simulation config that is solid?
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19:18<egregius>hi
19:18<child>whats the substitute for iceowl-dbg ?
19:18<egregius>anyone know where to find cp?
19:19<child>an standalone calendar
19:19<somiaj>El_Presidente: unsure, never tired to run dreamweave in wine, as I think dreamweave writes horrid html and I prefer to write my own.
19:19<child>what do you guys use?
19:19<egregius>i wanna play ride the horsey with daddy
19:19<egregius>and uncle nasty fingers
19:19<somiaj>child: xcalc is a simple calc
19:19-!-mode/#debian [+o somiaj] by ChanServ
19:19-!-egregius was kicked from #debian by somiaj [you should know better]
19:19-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*@2606:a000:a3c6:3400:98da:de6c:82ae:8548] by somiaj
19:19-!-mode/#debian [-o somiaj] by somiaj
19:20<TobiX>child: I like qalculate
19:20<somiaj>child: I use that or if I need something more complicated comand line maple (which is not in debian)
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19:21<child>but Im talking about calendar guys
19:21<TobiX>El_Presidente: Never wrote websites with WYSIWYG editors, sorry...
19:21<child>not calculator
19:21<El_Presidente>thanks guys
19:22<TobiX>child: Well, in my defense, I just read somiaj's message and added my own.
19:22<child>haha
19:22<somiaj>child: sorry I can't read, don't know a good one as I let google collect all my data
19:22<child>but thank you for ur advice
19:22<TobiX>child: I use the KDE pim suite for calendar/address book
19:23<child>I use xcalc to for calculating
19:24<child>you mean you use google calendar somiaj ?
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19:24<TobiX>El_Presidente: BlueGriffon seems to be a modern WYSIWYG-HTML-Editor...
19:25<somiaj>child: yea but my work has google apps so we just all use it
19:25<El_Presidente>TobiX: ok gonna check it out now
19:25<at0m>g'day ..big crowd
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19:26<somiaj>child: my suggestion is 'apt-cache search calendar' find one that looks nice, apt-cache show packagname if you want a longer description of the features.
19:26<child>Im a little paranoid with google.. I preffer something local.. as well as a text editor, but I need the days and months to organize better... some graph environment
19:28<child>yeah I did, I was used to use iceowl standalone at squeeze... now I found nothing yet similar
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19:29<at0m>Anyone have an idea when the next nVidia non-free package update will happen?
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19:30<somiaj>at0m: this is stable support here, stable is frozen so never!! There is a slightly enwer one in wheezy-backports but they are kinda at the whim of when the developer has time
19:30<somiaj>s/developer/matainer/
19:31<mullein>child: does the iceowl-extension package not suffice?
19:31<child>no because it needs mozila or icedove
19:31<child>I just want the calendar
19:31<El_Presidente>TobiX: it seems bluegriffon is not in the main/wheezy-backports repos
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19:33<mullein>child: gcalcli provides a command-line interface to google's calendar, not sure if that helps. though 2 days ago they deprecated the api version used in wheezy so it may take some wrangling
19:33<child>by the way Im having a issue here trying to install nvidia drivers by apt, I did install linux-headers but when I try the kernel module package it crash in the time to remove the old driver installed by the .run method
19:33<El_Presidente>and the official website only has builds for win+ubuntu
19:34<somiaj>El_Presidente: you can build your own wine package, it is what I do
19:34<El_Presidente>somiaj: will see. thanks
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19:35<El_Presidente>child: I had issues with my amd gfx as well.. sorted by installing driver from backports, this will be the case if yours is a relatively new model
19:35<child>mine is gtx 560ti
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19:36<child>so Im stuck now... at this point
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19:36<El_Presidente>child: matter of fact, my laptop has new hardware that I had to install the driver from jessie! (ie not even backports driver supports it), jessie did tho
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19:37<El_Presidente>child: are you trying to install proprietary driver or open source?
19:38<child>is there a open source way? I thought it was all non free...
19:38<child>Im following this https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers
19:39<El_Presidente>child: yea thats the prop driver
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19:39<El_Presidente>child: not exactly "open" but not using the binary builds from the manufacturer, instead, using open drivers with non-open "firmware"
19:40<El_Presidente>let me see if I can look up the link for nvidia one sec
19:40<child>I see
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19:43<El_Presidente>child: google: nouveau
19:43<El_Presidente>child: rather nouveau debian, the keyword alone will bring other stuff
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19:45<child>ooh I see
19:45<child>it come with the distro as standart isnot?
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19:45<child>I remember to have disabled before install the .run setup
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19:48<at0m>ok thanks somiaj - I have the backports but my new card has a driver from nVidia which hasn't made it onto the list as yet and I'm reluctant to do a manual install
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19:49<El_Presidente>child: I dont think it comes pre-installed, you have to install it to get hardware acceleration
19:50<El_Presidente>child: generally for graphics drivers I install from backports to get the latest ones.. unless your gfx card is old then it will probably won't make a difference..
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19:54<somiaj>at0m: yea unforntally that is a good way to really break things on debian. You have checked experimental?
19:54<somiaj>,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
19:54<judd>Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on i386 -- squeeze/non-free: 195.36.31-6squeeze2; squeeze-backports/non-free: 295.59-1~bpo60+2; wheezy/non-free: 304.117-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 319.82-1~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 340.46-3; sid/non-free: 340.46-4; experimental/non-free: 343.22-2
19:54<somiaj>at0m: i.e. would version 340.46 or 343.22 work for you
19:54<somiaj>now you don't want to install the experimental package in wheezy (due to dependencies) but you may be able to (/msg dpkg ssb) and make your own backport
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19:56<at0m>judd and somiaj yes I'll check it out - 343.22 is the one I need - thanks a lot!
19:56<child>El_Presidente, I wanted do that way too, but its crashing
19:57<child>actually didnt crash... but keep there forever if I dont kill ... and it dont use any ram or processor.. while working
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19:59<El_Presidente>child: remove the old stuff and purge all config
19:59<at0m>somiaj: 'may be able to roll my own backport' LOL - sounds dangerous but I'll have a crack
19:59<somiaj>at0m: that experiemental package will install in sid just fine, it will also most likley install in jessie (though this could be an issue). If you need it in wheezy you'll have to make your own backport
19:59<somiaj>!tell at0m about ssb
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19:59<El_Presidente>try apt-get remove --purge <name_of_nvidia_stuff_u_installed_before>
19:59<somiaj>at0m: the simple case is easy, once those instructions error out your life goes from slightly domplicated to really complicatedd
20:00<at0m>wheezy is what I have
20:00<child>El_Presidente, I donno how to remove the .run driver
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20:01<at0m>El_Presidente - did that and it unpacks (./) but still detects some nVidia residue somewhere and aborts
20:02<child>dpkg -l | grep nvidia returns nothing El_Presidente
20:02<dpkg>No packages found matching | grep nvidia returns nothing El_Presidente
20:02<El_Presidente>child: try: sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-current
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20:02<El_Presidente>ohh
20:02<child>isnot installed
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20:04<El_Presidente>child: lspci -v
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20:04<El_Presidente>see what driver is used for ur nvidia now
20:04<El_Presidente>lsmod |grep nvidia
20:05<El_Presidente>or just lsmod and see if you can spot anything related to nvidia
20:05<at0m>$ sudo apt-get --autoremove nvidia-current
20:05<at0m>did the trick
20:05<child>nothing
20:06<El_Presidente>so when you attempt to install the open driver what error does it give?
20:06<child>El_Presidente, it would probably show something in the other kernel ? because in the other Ive installed using .run method
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20:06<child>?
20:06<at0m>ok thanks for all the help - I'm off to kill X
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20:08<El_Presidente>child: I'm not expert unfortunately, but see my steps for how I get good graphics performance:
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20:08<El_Presidente>1. install kernel from wheezy-backports: apt-get install -t wheezy-backports linux-image-amd64
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20:09<El_Presidente>2. install open driver (in ur case nouvoue <- wrong spelling)
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20:10<child>El_Presidente, thank you
20:10<El_Presidente>try installing the open driver, if it confilcts with proprietary we can blacklist the prop driver
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20:11<child>I will try again
20:11<El_Presidente>child: or perhaps even try reinstall the prop driver and try do a clean uninstall
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22:22<a1>I would like to chat with people crosscompiling gcc on the bootstrap
22:22<a1>ah, for arm, perhaps raspberry b or b+ ?
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22:27<a1>A patch for any kind of a usable version of gcc will work. Atm i like gcc-2.3.2 ... its rather robusty :)
22:28<a1>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roU2ltbDKfg
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22:33<a1>I want patches for gcc for a target of raspberry b or b+.
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22:37<a1>675 total count... none awake.
22:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 690] by debhelper
22:39<a1>About 350 people here should have used my software by now. What all from like Germany and sheeping :)
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22:40<a1>^liarliar :)
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22:46<a1>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY84MRnxVzo
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22:47<a1>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5AqJww06bw
22:48<a1>Maybe if youre atall good ;)
22:49<a1>For this sake we make coding contests applicable for coders around the worlds.
22:54<dondelelcaro>a1: this is #debian, and that's not really on topic here.
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22:55<a1>dondelelcaro: I like to code for the worlds whomever they may be at any given point. Isagood car no ?
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22:58<a1>Ok, so lets run a commercial :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnaC5kr8ttc
22:59<dondelelcaro>a1: it's not on topic here. Please stop.
23:00<a1>Done - atm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUMro4oIp_M
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23:13<qaz>Hi my pc don't shutdown correctly , what file I need to check? (I'm new on systemd)
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23:39<qaz>hehe I figured out ...RIP halt ...welcome poweroff
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23:55<galvao>Hi guys. Been unable to hit wheezy/contrib for a couple of days now (both amd64 and i386). Does anyone knows what's happening?
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