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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-11-22

---Logopened Sat Nov 22 00:00:08 2014
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00:02<mullein>cylus, if i were you i'd search for thunar collation in the past year or two on google to look for ideas
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00:03<Cylus>Okay, I'll search again. Though I've been searching for this on and off for over a year.
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00:04<Cylus>It used to be worse, such searches lead me to the LC_COLLATE variable, and told me to set it to "C". That fixed the fact that non-alphanumeric characters were being ignored.
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00:23<Cylus>Web searching is not pulling up anything helpful. Also, I just tried installing LXDE, and it's sorting files incorrectly as well. I really don't think this is Thunar/Xfce-specific.
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00:45<root_771>help
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02:22<knoppix_>giorno
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02:23<Guest496>leeel
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02:24<xrabon>New here. Is this the channel to ask something about how to make Debian live?
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02:25<xrabon>I am on Knoppix. Want to make a custom Debain live with Supertux 2 for my small little boy.
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02:27<xrabon>He's finished all levels and bonus levels in its previous version. Now he's repeating the entire game and he's bored enough :-)
02:27<xrabon>Please help somebody.
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02:30<babilen>xrabon: No, this channel is specifically for discussing technical problems related to Debian. You might want to ask in #debian-live or write to their mailing list. Please also note that Knoppix have their own channel on Freenode and that we don't support it at all.
02:31<xrabon> babilen thank you very much.
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02:45<me_>xrabon - the easiest way i've found to do debian live is via a chroot
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03:40<LLRQZ>Bonjour.
03:41<LLRQZ>Or hello.
03:42-!-mlh85386 [~chatzilla@p508DE29D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
03:44<LLRQZ>Hello. I tried to install Debian on a usb key with a DVD. I click on the "setup" icon but it begin to install Debian in my hard disk.
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03:47<LLRQZ>There was a message : " Il est indispensable de redemarer pour effectuer l'intstallation. Au prochian démmarage, vous pourrez choisir de poursuivre l'intstallation. Pendant l'installation, il vous sera proposé de réduire la taille de la partition windows ou bien de la remplacer entierement. Dans les deux cas, il vous sera, il vous sera fortement recommandé de sauvegarder pralablement vos données".
03:48<LLRQZ>How can I cancel the installation please ?
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03:51<sleser>just reboot and pull the usb flash stick o ut
03:51<sleser>im stupid
03:51<sleser>but thats what i would do
03:51<sleser>just so it dosnt continue proses
03:52<sleser>give u answer sins no1 so far . but id do the same thing and return tomaro and when some one who expert is goiing t to help u if you think its odd on what it is doing so far and ur arent happy with what it is doing
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03:56<LLRQZ>I have not been clear. It is installated o my hard disk and will begin for the next restart if I want it.
03:56<sleser>ive never experienced your problem before
03:56<sleser>i downloaded a kde debian from debian site
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03:57<sleser>pluged it in tryeed live cd
03:57<sleser>it alowed me to do live cd then only i installed it
03:57<sleser>are you trying wheezy
03:57<LLRQZ>yes the 7 version
03:57<LLRQZ>of wheezy
03:58<sleser>ask this wuation in about few hours . thise hours i rarely get help my self its new yor k sity 4 in the mornting
03:58<sleser>morning
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03:58<sleser>im s ure somwhere in about 6 hours you will have alot helpers to help you
03:58<sleser>dont give up so easy on debian .
03:59<sleser>or anywher ealyer then 6 .
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03:59<sleser>i cant help yuo any ferrther im beginer i like it alot
04:00<sleser>with debian help i like it .
04:00<sleser>bbl
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04:01<LLRQZ>sleser Why should I choose to come back ?
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04:06<sleser>i never tought of your idia i like it so far
04:07<sleser>its between co mparing privacy and addvirtising or m ontizyin g you
04:07<sleser>or on you or user
04:07<sleser>there something linux mint works out of box when ubunty didnt on me
04:07<sleser>i was user on linux mint i liked it it was oub of box woring . too much internet activity when u work whthing your hd .
04:08<sleser>no privacy basicaly
04:08<sleser>iftop will show you.
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04:09<sleser>alot of experts tell me its services i have on . no it isnt services i dont want to see amazon or connonical in iftop if i write text files save or do other things whthin hd . internet on . and ifto pactivety active to any links it shows
04:09<sleser>totaly odd
04:09<sleser>experience it your self
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04:09<sleser>i instaled ebian i didnt have to worry about . services on . and doing things other distro do
04:10<sleser>try . linux is free
04:10<sleser>try every distro
04:10<sleser>one has to be happy linux its about what a user likes
04:10<utente>hello debian user here (both stable and testing). I need to manipulate a video .mov: convert for web publishing, add subtitle, do some effects (speed up x2 or x4 some part of video tio make it short). I wist to use some video editor present in debian. what do you suggest me to use? i am newvie in video editing.
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04:18<sleser>id like to know what stale and testing
04:18<sleser>just a curiasity
04:19<sleser>and if i can have both with one user name and login
04:19<sleser>to avoice alot of instalations and formating and other cr-p
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06:36<haruspex>hi
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06:44<Maulkin>!ask
06:44<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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07:14*TeslasMHD smokes a good hand rolled PL88 virginia blend.
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07:18<ZDLYO8>bonjour.
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07:21<ZDLYO8>Suite a une mauvaise manoeuvre, j'en suis venu a commencer l'installation de Debian sur mon disque dur. Le message suivant : "Note importante : Il est indispensable de redemmarer pour effectuer une installation. Au prochain démmarage, vous pourrez choisir de démmarer windows ou de poursuivre l'installation."
07:21<ZDLYO8>Peut-on encore l'annuler ? Reintialisre le systeme peut-il être la solution ?
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07:23<ZDLYO8>s'il vous plait ?
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07:28<musca>!fr
07:28<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
07:29<ZDLYO8>comment éviter de remplacer windows par ce Debian ?
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07:29<musca>ZDLYO8: this channel uses the english language.
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07:30<ZDLYO8>sorry I belived we were
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07:59<dutchfish>hi, how to use rtkit or find documentation on elevating a user proces to realtime sheduling?
07:59<dutchfish>in debian wheezy/jessie
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08:07<dutchfish>i specially want to now how to intercept --canaru-cheep-msec in my mutxes and semaphores with rtkit
08:07<dutchfish>s/now/know
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08:09<dutchfish>and strategies to prevent monopolizing the system
08:10<dutchfish>i could not find any examples on the net. nor any doc
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08:57<Slydder>I am currently using stat to get the file system status of a remote mount on a client system to check whether or not the mount point has gone stale or not. is there a better (more reliable) way to check this?
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09:11<deepblue> i got this error:I/O error,dev sdb,sector xxxxxxxxx.gsmartcntrol says disk is healthy.i ran self-test,no bad sectors.now what?
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09:16<zdc>hello. Please where is the french Debian channel ?
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09:17<olspookishmagus>hello, can anyone come up with a hypothesis onto why a font will not get included in the font cache (via running fc-cache) when the same font in another system does?
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09:17<olspookishmagus>please note the font has the same checksum and the permissions are the same
09:17<olspookishmagus>of the font itself and of the directory containing that font
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09:19<olspookishmagus>FYI, the font in question: https://github.com/hbin/top-programming-fonts/blob/master/Menlo-Regular.ttf
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09:20<anonymous>urself to services with
09:20<anonymous>urself to services with
09:20<anonymous>urself to services with
09:20<anonymous>urself to services with
09:20<anonymous>urself to services with
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09:21<zdc>Dawn !
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09:21<zdc>He looks using the echo flaw for a DdOS attack !
09:21<zdc>anonymous what do you want ?
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09:23<zdc_>dawn !
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09:25<dutchfish>!tell zdc about fr
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09:42<olspookishmagus>I've redownloaded the font and it worked, I had backed up the troublesome font file but still...
09:42<olspookishmagus>$ cmp Menlo-Regular.ttf TROUBLESOME_Menlo-Regular.ttf/Menlo-Regular.ttf
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09:42<olspookishmagus>$
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09:51<mohamed>hello guys
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11:50<ph0b0s>sdb in my raid5 array seems to have taken a crap, the system right now is resyncing reeaaally slow and i can't seem to be to be able to "idle" it. next steps please. can i just "fail" sdb and start taking a newer backup ?
11:52<weasel>you should be able to fail it and replace it. just be sure it's the (only) disk that's bad.
11:53<ph0b0s>i'm viewing the logfiles through webmin filtering for all 3 drives, sda and sdc are good, sdb throughs kernel errors all over the place
11:54<ph0b0s>from the same errors i see read error corrections on sdb3 . too many of them
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12:01<tech>hi
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12:01<tech>hi haruspex
12:01<tech>hi riksteri
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12:08<riksteri>hello tech
12:09<tech>hi
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13:33<Endoril>Hi all, is someone able to tell me how to know in which pkg i can find a specified command line tool (this tool is not installed on the system) ? i have RTFM, but even if am sure the information is there i cant find it...
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13:37<centrx>Endoril, try apt-cache search <name of tool>
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13:38<somiaj>Endoril: if you have the exact binary name you would need an additional tool called apt-file or you can use packages.debian.org to search for packages by the filenames they include.
13:39<somiaj>though sometimes apt-cache search will get it as that name will be in the name, short or long description of the package
13:39<Endoril>thanks, i know this one, but im not searching a string in pkg description, im searching in which pkg is a particular binary
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13:39<Endoril>ok ill will try apt-file =)
13:40<Endoril>thanks somiaj
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15:26*likevinyl is away: aprendé Castellano: TIRO FEDERAL ARGENTINO, cursos de verano
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15:40<El_Presidente>evening gents
15:41<El_Presidente>wine requires "foreign i386 architecture" on amd64 boxes right?
15:41<El_Presidente>dont want to bloat my wheezy box if not required
15:41<peter1138>Yes
15:41<sney>amd64 native wine can only run 64-bit windows applications
15:42<El_Presidente>I see. that makes sense..
15:42<sney>most stuff people want to run is 32-bit (e.g. games)
15:42<El_Presidente>target app: dreamweaver 8.0, which is a 32bit app
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15:52<El_Presidente>oh dear!
15:52<El_Presidente>sney peter1138 : check out what it wants to pull: http://pastebin.com/0jfj5dgH
15:52<sney>that's not a lot. most of those libs are small.
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15:53<El_Presidente>I see
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15:53<El_Presidente>I was only surprised to see stuff like X11 32bit,.. seems to me the whole system in 32bit :)
15:54<sney>hardly. the whole system would be significantly more
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15:54<El_Presidente>I pulled it from backports to get the 1.6 wine instead of 1.4
15:54<El_Presidente>sney: I see.
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15:55<d34d1>could I get some help with some network manager applet errors I'm getting
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15:56<El_Presidente>d34d1: just ask here buddy, dont ask to ask :)
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15:57<d34d1>here's the errors http://pastebin.com/29Lew6NQ
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15:57<d34d1>I'm actually on a debian derivative
15:58<d34d1>crunchbang
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15:58<sney>!crunchbang
15:58<dpkg>CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. http://www.crunchbang.org/ #crunchbang on irc.freenode.net. See <based on debian>.
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16:20<El_Presidente>sney: it works! but fonts inside the app look like gibberish/unknown symbols.. I think I need to install windows fonts?
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16:21<sney>yeah, fonts-liberation or something like that
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16:28<El_Presidente>sney: thanks for your help. I did install that and ran fc-cache -fv .. but still gibberish inside app.. any ideas?
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16:29<El_Presidente>perhaps i need this? https://packages.debian.org/eo/squeeze/ttf-mscorefonts-installer
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16:46<carapicumente>hello people i am a desktop user with debian jessie 64 xfce and i would like to automount my other physical disks with their ntfs partitions automatcly without having to give a password. i see the partitions on desktop when i turn on but the icons are shadowed until i click on them and give the password.
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16:51<prahal>sssd get the fqdn from gethostname (that is uname nodename ie /etc/hostname on debian ... which from the debian doc is shortname and from glibc doc is to be the fqdn) ... which is at fault ?
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16:51<prahal>this also breaks realmd (which calls sssd under the hood)
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16:52<El_Presidente>carapicumente: edit /etc/fstab
16:52<prahal>this happened to not affect a few of my old boxes as they had a cache of the fqdn - probably from earlier sssd manual setups)
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16:54<prahal>also I saw a few fellows tells that fqdn in /etc/hostname|uname would ends up in the logs . It does not (not audited the code but tested only) . The fqdn only ends up un hostname -s if shortname is before fqdn in /etc/hosts line)
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16:56<prahal>glibc definition of hostname|uname|gethostname > http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/Host-Identification.html
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17:06<cachencho_olivera>join #huayragnulinux
17:07<cachencho_olivera>sorry
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19:35<root_591>hi people
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20:02<El_Presidente>morning gents
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20:03<El_Presidente>if one installs packageXYZ from wheezy (say v1.4), then one uses wheezy-backports to install same package (v1.6 in backports).. does the old package (1.4) get overwritten with the new v1.6 ?
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20:07<maurom>it's very likely, yes, don presidente
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20:07<maurom>try doing aptitude versions packageXYZ
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20:08<maurom>the one starting with "i" will be the currently installed version
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20:24<El_Presidente>thanks maurom
20:24<El_Presidente>maurom: is there a "versions" equivelant for apt-get ? I thought the two tools were redundant..
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20:29<maurom>El_Presidente: don't think so
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20:35<El_Presidente>maurom: something that is not always consistent for me: I do apt-get update, and some packages dont show up althought they are listed in the online website under my branch (ie I added wheezy-backports and did apt-get update) but it will only show after I reboot or so..
20:35<El_Presidente>maurom: is there a command to force "refresh cache" or something?
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20:45<Marillion>El_Presidente: stable has more priority as instead wheezy-backports
20:45<El_Presidente>Marillion: say packageXYZ is available in wheezy-backports, and I do:
20:45<El_Presidente>apt-get install -t wheezy-backports install packageXYZ
20:45<El_Presidente>that should explicitly pull it from backports right?
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20:46<Marillion>El_Presidente: yes, but you need -t for install those packages
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20:47<El_Presidente>sorry I put that wrong, I meant: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install packageXYZ
20:48<Marillion>at that is a priority reason why
20:48<Marillion>what i mean it
20:49<El_Presidente>Marillion: I'm not sure I follow.. thanks for your help though
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20:51<Marillion>El_Presidente: no problem, but if you like more information for that, like apt-cache policy packageXYZ
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20:57<El_Presidente>Marillion: fantastic tip! thanks
20:57<El_Presidente>with this exact command I can see the following:
20:58<El_Presidente>please note the package in question is wine (for running win programs under debian without virtual machine)
20:58<El_Presidente>Marillion: if I do: sudo apt-cache policy wine
20:58<El_Presidente>I dont see the wheezy-backports build (which is 1.6)
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20:58<El_Presidente>I only see 1.4 (which is from stable branch)
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20:59<El_Presidente>do note, that when I try the same command with other packages (for example irssi), I can see the newer build for jessie (backports)
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20:59<El_Presidente>only wine its not there..
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21:05<Marillion>El_Presidente: that caught be a bug, not really sure
21:06<Marillion>or the replace line is the reason why
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21:09<maurom>sorry, I was afk
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21:09<maurom>I don't seem to find wine in wheezy-backports
21:13<El_Presidente>indeed
21:13<El_Presidente>I saw it in jessie and thought it was backports..
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21:13<El_Presidente>maurom: Marillion many thanks for your help guys
21:14<El_Presidente>I think installing it from jessie repos is not an option as it will pull many dependencies and mess up my wheezy box
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21:14<El_Presidente>this is probably why the maintainer didn't put it in backports in the first place
21:15<Marillion>El_Presidente: you're welcome, but maurom are right, wine is NOT on wheezy-backports and it is bad choice to install directly from jessie if you use stable
21:16<El_Presidente>Marillion: agreed. thanks for your time :)
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21:17<Marillion>it is a maintainer decision if his packages on wheezy-backports
21:18<Marillion>unless a NMU by the others
21:19<maurom>no problem. Marillion gave a wise advise: do not mix stable and testing
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21:21<El_Presidente>agreed guys. will keep my desktop clean. I only installed a package from jessie once, to my laptop.. I installed the broadcom-dkms driver to enable my wireless adapter.. it worked! too bad I can't do the same with wine as it will pull a ton of dependencies
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21:27<Marillion>for once ot twice it is ok if you know what you're doing, but it is NOT a good way when the dependencies are to long of the packages
21:27<Marillion>s/ot/or
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22:04<IndoDebian>I don't get login screen after updating Wheezy
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23:25<somebody>Reminder, in regards to all the resignations:
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