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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-11-23

---Logopened Sun Nov 23 00:00:09 2014
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00:39<catern>the toppest, somebody
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01:04<Virginia21> Watch Me Suck Real Big Dick On My Site http://snipurl.com/29g7kz1
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01:29*TeslasMHD enjoys a tasty cup of coffee.
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01:52<IndoDebian>I can't get login screen
01:52<IndoDebian>after update wheezy
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08:00<Deuchnord>hi, I have some trouble with my Debian Wheezy on my netbook (Asus EeePC 1015CX), I would like to use an external screen but this is not even detected (black screen, no new screen on the diplay configuration), does somebody has an idea of my problem?
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08:04<jalalsfs>I'm try to compile a package but in finally it says http://paste.debian.net/133128/
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09:38<max>IDENTIFY
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09:39<Jobbe>Hi
09:39<tone>Can you see this?
09:39<Jobbe>yes
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09:40<max>ho jobbe
09:41<Jobbe>:)
09:42<marx>K
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10:28<vincenzo>!list
10:28<dpkg>vincenzo: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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10:35<frankfurt>test
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10:35<centrx>frankfurt, test failed
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10:36<juicer>Can someone point me to a guide for how to properly mix packages from stable and testing without breaking things. I need a package from testing and its dependencies on my stable install. thank you
10:37<blumoon>juicer: did you check backports ?
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10:38<juicer>blumoon, yeah no such luck
10:38<centrx>juicer, Options are: 1) Use the package from wheezy-backports, if available. 2) Do a simple source backport using the Debian source package, 3) upgrade the entire system to testing
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10:38<centrx>dpkg, tell juicer about ssb
10:38<darichar>hi
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10:40<juicer>Thank you centrx
10:41<El_Presidente>juicer: or you can install from testing directly and hope you dont pull a ton of dependencies..
10:41<El_Presidente>juicer: I did that with my wireless driver..
10:41<juicer>El_Presidente, Would that risk breaking things somehow?
10:41<El_Presidente>yes, if the package has many dependencies, and they are newer then the ones in your system, it will pull those so it might get ugly
10:42<centrx>juicer, If it looks like it is going to pull in many dependencies, cancel it
10:42<centrx>juicer, but depending on the package, it's unlikely to work especially this late in the development cycle
10:42<juicer>maybe I should just upgrade to testing then
10:42<El_Presidente>juicer: I did that successfully with my laptop, as I needed a newer version of the wireless driver which was not available in backports.. so I just installed it from testing but it barely had dependencies so it was good..
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10:43<El_Presidente>juicer: so its very package specific, check your package too see its deps
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10:43<El_Presidente>to*
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10:45<juicer>Thanks
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11:01<jedi_>ist jemand deutschsprachig hier ?
11:02<ixi>!de
11:02<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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11:45<Deuchnord>salut
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11:46<Deuchnord>oh, sorry, I went to the false channel :s
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13:06<twanny796>just net-installed debian, how do I know which version I have?
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13:08<twanny796>Maulkin, ok it's 7.7, I think it's the last one ;)
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13:14<El_Presidente>if one wanted to upgrade from wheezy to jessie, would opening /etc/apt/sources.list then changing all words wheezy to jessie, then apt-get update, apt-get upgrade.. does that upgrade the system to jessie? anything else needed?
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13:14<mtn>El_Presidente: you need to use dist-upgrade, not upgrade
13:14<El_Presidente>ohh yes :)
13:14<El_Presidente>yes, dist-upgrade
13:14<El_Presidente>mtn: anything else needed?
13:14<mtn>El_Presidente: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting
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13:17<El_Presidente>mtn: say one recently installed the system.. so its not much hassle to do a fresh installation. Will it make a difference to install from scratch or upgrade existing? (ie cleaner install?)
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13:18<mtn>El_Presidente: upgrading from stable is the recommended way to install testing. whether it is "new" or not shouldn't matter.
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13:18<El_Presidente>mtn: many thanks.
13:18<mtn>El_Presidente: welcome
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13:53<Benthepen>Has anyone gotten a Fake RAID setup going on Jessie? I'm also booting Win7 and Ubuntu and both of them detect the RAID perfectly. I can see both members and the RAID array in gnome-disk-utility but the array shows up as unallocated space. blkid and fdisk show the members but not the array. Trying to mount the array(/dev/md126) gives a "wrong fs type" error.
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14:42<El_Presidente>I'm upgrading to jessie as I'm typing this..
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14:42<El_Presidente>after I reboot, will my system switch to systemd or remain with sysvinit until I explicitly change it?
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14:45<olasd>it should switch to systemd. if you want to remain with sysvinit, you need to install the sysvinit-core package
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14:47<El_Presidente>olasd: thanks. sicne systemd will be default in the end might as well get used to it now.. I'm indifferent as I'm using debian as a desktop, not a dev.
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14:48<olasd>sure
14:49<El_Presidente>doing dist-upgrade now :D .. one more questions please, I put "jessie" in sources.list, not testing.. so how often do I need to do "apt-get update / upgrade" ? weekly? in the end my system will be upgraded to stable right (ie jessie in its final form as it matures)
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14:51<olasd>yes, your system should end up just like the stable jessie, with the exception of packages that will have been removed from the release after you installed them
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14:52<olasd>as for the upgrade frequency... well, doing small incremental upgrades often is less error-prone than doing big upgrades. so I suppose weekly would be fine
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14:52<El_Presidente>I see. Since I just upgraded from wheezy, say I installed packages in wheezy, and said packages have been removed from jessie.. when doing dist-upgrade, those packages (which no longer exist in jessie) will be kept in my system right?
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14:53<olasd>yes
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14:54<El_Presidente>what if said packages depend on libraryXYZv1.5.1, in jessie libraryXYZ is not v1.5.2 (ie breaks compatibilty), therefore the package is not usable anymore.. will apt-get inform me of such?
14:54<El_Presidente>or will commands like apt-get autoremove detect it?
14:55<El_Presidente>sorry for questions bombardment :)
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14:57<olasd>apt will tell you if it can't upgrade a package (you'll get something like "2 packages not updated" in the dist-upgrade output).
14:58<olasd>to look for the packages that have been removed from one release to the other, I usually use aptitude in interactive mode: there's a section for "local or outdated packages" where they end up
14:58<El_Presidente>I see
14:58<olasd>and there, you can review whether you want to clean them up or not
14:58<El_Presidente>olasd: many thanks!
14:59<olasd>glad to help. if you have any more questions, you might get sent to #debian-next as this is the place where testing/unstable is supported
15:00<olasd>(when it's busy, we try to keep #debian for support for the current stable release)
15:00<El_Presidente>olasd: noted with many thanks. will go there after reboot (ie after officially changing to jessie) :D
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15:17<the-legend>ciao a tutti
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15:57<brentaarnold>Can someone please tell me why I can run the command sudo ./executable but this desktop file will not work? http://paste.debian.net/133177/
15:57<brentaarnold>I have also chmod +x the file in question
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16:27<brentaarnold>Can someone please tell me why I can run the command sudo ./executable but this desktop file will not work? http://paste.debian.net/133177/
16:27<brentaarnold>I have also chmod +x the file in question
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16:40<ovanau>brentaarnold: chmod a+x ?
16:41<ovanau>or chown the file? What is the current owner?
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16:55<jnpast>married gay
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16:56<igorhaf_>good night everyone
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16:56<igorhaf_>some one can help me?
16:57<igorhaf_>I reinstalled my debian, but now, I dont can mount my usb devices by KDE, because sudo privilegies
16:58<igorhaf_>just for command line =(
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17:00<dancus>igorhaf_:have you install fuse ?
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17:02<igorhaf_>dancus: I will see, one minute
17:03<igorhaf_>dancus: fuse is already the newest version.
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17:16<claw__>hey there
17:16<igorhaf_>dancus: some idea?
17:16<claw__>on gnome ( wheezy ) i was able to add a dsl connection using network-manager . now with gnome ( jessie ) there is no such option
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17:17<claw__>igorhaf_, did you use an usb stick to install ?
17:17<claw__>check your /etc/fstab for unused drives. if you just have one drive there will be /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2
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17:18<claw__>remove them
17:19<dancus>igorhaf_: check fstab and permission
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17:22<igorhaf_>claw__: I had previously installed, operated normally, I put the stick in the usb and clicked to mount the kde systray, now appears in the systray but I see a privilege error when I try to mount, so I can mount from the command line using root
17:22<igorhaf_>dancus: sorry, but, how I do this? =P
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17:38<Stemby>hi
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17:40<Stemby>I'd like to make a small donation to Debian in bitcoin
17:40<Stemby>I found this discussion: https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/08/msg00099.html
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17:41<Stemby>after 3 months, are there any news?
17:41<Stemby>I can't find a Bitcoin address here... https://www.debian.org/donations
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17:43<schoppenhauer>hello. what is the supposed way of installing external (non-packaged) mediawiki-extensions in debian? because the default directory is /usr/share/mediawiki/extensions (and /usr/share/mediawiki-extensions, not quite sure what the difference is). Can I install it into /usr/local/share/mediawiki? I am currently targetting jessie (testing), because the project I configure will probably be finished
17:43<schoppenhauer>when jessie is already stable.
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17:43<sney>Stemby: doesn't look like it, but maybe contact SPI directly and ask them?
17:44<Stemby>sney: why SPI?
17:45<Stemby>sney: Debian could directly provide a bitcoin address
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17:46<sney>SPI has almost always been the primary way to donate to debian. I don't see debian going around that just for cryptocurrency.
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17:46<Stemby>sney: cryptocurrencies don't need a bank to be stocked
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17:49<sney>Stemby: that is irrelevant. if you were a nonprofit that had been around since 1993, and you set up a logical way for people to donate and it was working fine for decades, why would you change that just because someone invented a new kind of money?
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17:50<sney>SPI is not some separate contracting agency, it's essentially part of the debian family. donate to SPI, for debian, and the donation goes to debian.
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17:50<jasondt__>ok so i accidently removed auth sufficient pam_unix.so from pam.d common-auth, now i have no root access...how to fix
17:50<Stemby>sney: because this new kind of money doesn't need a bank to be stocked and accepted :)
17:50<schoppenhauer>ah, found something, thx.
17:52<sney>Stemby: it still needs to be accounted for and distributed properly to whatever part of the project is currently in need of funds, in whatever local currency is or isn't necessary, etc. SPI is the body that performs those tasks for Debian.
17:52<Stemby>sney: ok, thanks
17:53<ixi>http://www.spi-inc.org/donations/
17:53<ixi>Stemby ^
17:53<ixi>get in touch with them
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17:54<piotr_>how can i merge free space between partitions on a disc (like defrag on win os's does..) ?
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17:54<Stemby>ixi: there is nothing related to bitcoin...
17:54<ixi>Stemby there is an email of a person that you can contact
17:54<ixi>and discuss that
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17:54<ixi>piotr_ which filesystem do you use
17:55<Stemby>ixi: ok, thans
17:55<Stemby>*thanks
17:55<piotr_>all partitions ext4
17:55<ixi>Stemby they also have #spi channel
17:55<ixi>right here
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17:56<ixi>so might start with /join #spi and ask around
17:56<Stemby>ixi: oh, great
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17:56<devil_>piotr_: defrag is not needed with linux
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17:57<ixi>piotr_ http://events.linuxfoundation.org/slides/2010/linuxcon_japan/linuxcon_jp2010_fujita.pdf
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17:58<piotr_>devil_ : I first thought the filesystem would take care of defraging, but why isn't the free space merged hence ?
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17:59<piotr_>ty ixi
17:59<piotr_>i'll have a look @ it
17:59<devil_>piotr_: sry, need to walk the dog
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18:01<piotr_>np
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18:03<Stemby>sney, ixi: https://bitpay.com/875153/donate
18:03<Stemby>\o/
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18:04<ixi>good
18:04<Stemby>you should update this page: https://www.debian.org/donations
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18:04<ixi>piotr_ I think you also might have a big misconception about what defragmentation does
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18:05<ixi>judging from < piotr_> how can i merge free space between partitions on a disc (like defrag on win os's does..) ?
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18:08<piotr_>i'll come in l8r again; indeed there is something written about free space fragmentation.. ;)
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18:10<sney>within a filesystem though, not between partitions. fragmentation is something that happens to file systems
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18:15<piotr_>do i rly have to move each partition step by step to merge free space in between ?
18:15<retrospectacus>yes, but it's not hard.
18:16<retrospectacus>it takes a long time though
18:16<sney>gparted is pretty painless, iirc
18:16<sney>not sure why you would have a bunch of partitions in this day and age but (shrug)
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18:17<piotr_>retrospect: could u give me a short description on how to accomplish this ?
18:18<piotr_>I'm pretty new to linux at all
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18:19<sney>how did you wind up with a multi partition disk layout, then?
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18:21<retrospectacus>easiest way: download and burn a gparte or partedmagic CD. boot it and click your way through moving all the partitions to the left
18:21<retrospectacus>gparted*
18:21<piotr_>hm, parted told me to unmount partitions before moving them. but i wasn't able to umount them
18:22<abrotman>because you're using them
18:22<piotr_>that's the point
18:22<retrospectacus>that's why you have to boot a OS that is not on your hard drive (a parted CD)
18:22<retrospectacus>any live CD that has gparted would do
18:22<piotr_>k, some kind of DSL with parted
18:23<piotr_>?
18:23<sney>GRML is often recommended, I think
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18:24<piotr_>waste of a CD/DVD, but seems the only way :(
18:24<abrotman>There's a gparted liveCD with a GUI
18:24<retrospectacus>you could wrangle it to use a USB instead of a CD if you want to try
18:24<sney>there are often usb images for these things, yeah
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18:26<piotr_>Pendrive a.s.o. I know. Unfortunately i dont even have a usbstick here.
18:27<piotr_>ain't it possible to switch runlevels i.o. to walk around the mounts?
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18:28<sney>you would still need a running OS somewhere. moving a partition would deny even read-only access like you get in single-user
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18:29<retrospectacus>you could reconsider the importance of this mission
18:29<piotr_>yeah, hm
18:30<piotr_>2 much effort
18:30<fcrs>trying to understand the difference between launching the desktop (fvwm) from a display manager (lightdm) versus setting fvwm as the default x-window-manager and running startx. for example a background gets set in the first case but not the second. are there any other differences i should be aware of?
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18:31<sney>lightdm runs as a daemon, so would occupy some (probably minimal) amount of ram or swap
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18:33<fcrs>since the background is the same as the display manager background, i suppose this just stays unless the window manager replaces it, and that what's happening
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18:34<El_Presidente2>morning gents
18:34<fcrs>i guess i was wondering if lightdm might be providing some other services that i would loose if using startx/.xsession
18:34<El_Presidente2>I have two network interface wlan0 and eth0, how do I tell debian to always use wlan0 as primary?
18:35<El_Presidente2>I need to send files via tftp to a network device, but once I bring eth0 up internet goes down (I'm guessing debian forward all traffic to wired instead of wireless)
18:35<sney>iproute2 has some failover functions, I think. you'd have to look in their docs
18:36<fcrs>you can use the route command to control which interface traffic gets sent on
18:36<sney>right, but if you set the default route to an interface, then it'll just fail if that interface stops forwarding packets
18:37<retrospectacus>prevent eth0 from getting a gateway
18:37<El_Presidente2>say wireless is 10.x.x.x and wired is 192.x.x.x, will the system automatically recognize which interface I need to use depending on destination IP ?
18:38<retrospectacus>for those networks, yes
18:38<retrospectacus>after that it just looks in the routing table for the gateway and device for "0.0.0.0"
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18:38<retrospectacus>(see "route -n" or "ip r")
18:39<retrospectacus>you can of course configure it with much more detail
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18:41<El_Presidente2>will try it now. thanks guys
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18:46<coffeeboss>n
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18:50<skribblezatcha>El_Presidente2 :)
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18:53<El_Presidente2>skribblezatcha: :D
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20:05<snakeeater> /connect 208.53.163.194
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20:11<sleser>guys is there a tool that unpaks alot of tar.gz /tar in to directory and subfolders ?
20:12<sleser>or a terminal command for ark to do this
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20:24<ggonga>hi@all. im testing my sasl setup. but sasl-sample-(server|client) doesnt work. both of them are starting w/o err msg. thats it. both r just waitin for mechanism of each other.
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20:27<ggonga>i''ve tried some variations. i turned off the firewall. i gave them an unused port ... it doesn't work
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20:30<lsbit>do you need a way to extract many archived files?
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20:34<lsbit>try something like tar -x *.tar
20:34<lsbit>but first cd to folders where are those .tar archives
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21:23<Guest649>Where can I find the list of release objectives for each Debian version? Like making python 3 default, or using such and such version of gnome, etc. I remember I saw a webpage like this sometime ago, but I cannot remember how to google it.
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21:24<gsimmons>dpkg: release goals
21:24<dpkg>Release goals are the list of things the Debian project wants to achieve prior to the next release. See http://release.debian.org/testing/goals.txt for current goals and candidates, see http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals for proposals.
21:26<Guest649>Thanks gsimmons.
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23:22<Guest659>i am trying ti install a replacement for facebook.
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23:22<Guest659>any help
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23:23<somiaj>what do you mean by replacement for facebook? Are you talking about the webbrowser?
23:24<Guest659>no im and chat kind
23:24<somiaj>so you want an instant messanger, maybe like pigdin which supports various formats (not sure if it supportfs facebook messages or not htough)
23:25<TSK>It does. And Google Talk (Hangouts)
23:25<TSK>Both are based on XMPP (Jabber)
23:25<Guest659>like this but i can enter their e-mail into
23:26<TSK>Pidgin and Telepathy both support Facebook Chat and Google Hangouts chat.
23:26<TSK>Mozilla ThunderBird (email proggy) also does.
23:26<Guest659>how do i install on pepermint
23:28<TSK>System package manager prolly? (I think that's the usual on most every Linux based distro)
23:28<sleser>tar -x *.tar isnt doing anything it just froze there
23:29<Guest659>i use ThunderBird ok will try but mine seems broken.
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23:30<TSK>I only recently discovered that ThunderBird had instant messaging support added at some point in the past. It's new to me, but I did see Facebook Chat and Google Talk support when I looked at it last.
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23:30<Guest659>package manager will not install anything just goes back to where it says install.
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23:32<Guest659>has any one else had this problem.
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23:35<Guest659>by TSK and thank you.
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23:59<sgp667>hey guys I know that this may be a little bit off topic but does anyone know how I can find out the cause of a "Hard Block" on an interface?
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