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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-11-25

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01:19<awal>Any recommended graphical lightweight package for take screenshots and for use under fluxbox/openbox?
01:19<jm_>I use import from imagemagick
01:19<retrospectacus>I use scrot. It's not graphical
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01:21<awal>retrospectacus, jm_, I have and use them yet :)
01:22<awal>looking for something like xfce4-screenshooter
01:23<jm_>then maybe look at what "apt-cache search screenshot" returns
01:24<awal>looked at apt-cache yet. and there is no really choice
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01:58<laj>So like, aptitude when autocompleted for the first time generates the function _aptitude seemingly which does not exist before that point, not sure what's up with that, but is there a way to make this function always exist
01:58<laj>or at least point me to where the autocomplete function of aptitude is located because I can't find it
01:59<jm_>autocomplete where?
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01:59<laj>jm_ bash completion
02:00<laj>you know, if you type `aptitude install xcha[TAB]` it fills in the last letter
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02:03<jm_>awal: /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/aptitude
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02:03<jm_>uhh no idea where that nick came from, it was for laj
02:04<jm_>awal: sorry, wrong nick
02:04<awal>:)
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02:20<laj>jm_ , ah yes, thank you, I was searching in /etc/bash_completion.d
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02:54<p4f>witam witam!
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03:48<htprof>hi there. is anyone familiar with html forms (perl cgi)? I want a form to upload a file and submit a text. however, with enctype multipart/form-data, only the file but not the text is transmitted. how can I submit both?
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03:53<EmleyMoor>Since the recent php upgrades, I'm getting an error mail to root every half hour - content at http://paste.debian.net/133378/ - what can I do about it?
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03:58<jm_>!bug 770105
03:58<jm_>,bug 770105
03:58<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/770105 in php5-common (closed, security): «php5-common: sed call in cron script fails with "invalid opdtion -- 'z'"»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-11-18; last modified: 2014-11-21.
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04:58<bonito>help
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05:03<pingvin>Hello wrld
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07:02<pujan14>Hi is it advisable to install firmware-realtek on machine with no realtek hardware? I mean does it get me into any issues?
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07:12<Jay_>Hi all. I had a fine debian 7 lxde laptop running. Then i tryed to restart x with alt-sysrg-k. But all that happened was a frozen system that now stops boot with black screen. How do i trouble shoot this? i can boot into rescue mode as root
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07:13<jm_>try booting without "quiet"
07:13<Jay_>trying
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07:17<Jay_>hmm... halts at ADDRCONF (NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready
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07:17<Jay_>hmm no wait
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07:20<Jay_>strange... it for some reason waits a long time for wlan0. then: "Calling RCRDA for country : DK" my countr code.
07:20<Jay_>After that it lists some frequences and halts/hangs
07:20<Jay_>i tryed plugging in eth0 but nothing happens
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07:21<jm_>you don't get login prompt?
07:21<Jay_>nope
07:21<Jay_>i can boot in resque mode though
07:22<Jay_>and there i get promted to enter root pass...
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07:23<jm_>does sysrq-t show anything?
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07:26<Jay_>hmm....
07:27<Jay_>this sysrq operation is disabled
07:28<Jay_>but that is in recovery boot mode
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07:29<Jay_>nope same output in regular boot mode
07:29<jm_>maybe debian's kernel config disables it
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07:30<Jay_>hmm... i think this is to advanced to me :)
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07:30<Jay_>I mean I dont know what kernel config is
07:31<Jay_>would you think it is crazy to just reinstall the system?
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07:32<Jay_>sysRq-y gave me some options
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07:33<jm_>so kernel is alive I guess
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07:34<jm_>looks like debian's kernel has some patch applied for sysrq since I can't find this in vanilla kernel
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07:34<Jay_>i can change loglevel
07:35<jm_>that's up to you - it suggests your login sequence doesn't fully complete or somesuch
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07:36<Jay_>hmm
07:36<jm_>what is used to configure wlan0?
07:36<Jay_>alt-ctrl-f1 gave me a terminal with login
07:36<jm_>uhh not login sequence obviously but init sequence
07:36<Jay_>network-manager
07:37<jm_>did it start a DM previously?
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07:37<Jay_>i am not sure
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07:38<jm_>try cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager
07:39<Jay_>it gives me /usr/bin/lightdm
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07:39<jm_>check if you have anything in /var/log/lightdm/* and try starting it manually
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07:40<Jay_>ahh
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07:42<Jay_>think it is my "graphic card" stupid plymouth
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07:46<Jay_>wow!!!
07:46<Jay_>i followed the log trail
07:47<Jay_>found that the 50-synaptics config file was causing some problem and quitting xorg!
07:47<Jay_>now it works! :)
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07:47<Jay_>thanks so much for guiding me jm_!
07:47<jm_>no problem
07:48<Jay_>how did you know to look in for display manager faults?
07:48<jm_>because you said you get a normal login prompt
07:48<Jay_>:)
07:48<Jay_>thanks
07:49<Jay_>saved my system :)
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10:15<child>someone know a step by step to do a small mail server ?
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10:19<namur_>quir
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10:24<kaan>hi
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11:01<Guest828>Hello
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11:03<Guest828>how enable "actions" for file and folder in thunar?
11:03<Guest828>how enable "actions" for file and folder in thunar?
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11:05<Maulkin>Guest828: Hi there.
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11:06<Maulkin>Guest828: I'm not really sure what you mean by actions.
11:06<Maulkin>Guest828: You mean in the contextual menu?
11:07<Maulkin>Guest828: If so, http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/thunar/custom-actions may be able to help you
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11:07<Guest828>configure custom actions in menu thunar
11:07<Maulkin>Guest828: See that page I sent you
11:07<Guest828>Edit > "configure custom actions" in menu thunar
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11:13<Guest828>Thanks of Maulkin
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12:12<ovan>How do I show what updates are available without actually updating my packages?
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12:13<fr33domlover>Hello, server qustion: I have a gitolite server where a single 'git' user is the access point for all git access. I'd like to support SFTP access too, for files that aren't in git. It looks like an equivalent would be to make a single system user 'sftp' or 'ftp' and all users will ssh/sftp to that user, just like with git@localhost. Is this a reasonable setup?
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12:13<fr33domlover>In tutorials I see people suggest to make a group and add regular users to it, but my usage is different
12:14<retrospectacus>ovan: "apt-get upgrade" and press N, or somehow using aptitued
12:14<retrospectacus>or update-notifier
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12:15<somiaj>ovan: after you run apt-get update you can run apt-get --dry-run upgrade
12:16<somiaj>ovan: though if you have more than one package, apt-get upgrade will always ask if you want to upgrade unless you use the --yes flag, you could also use the --no flag to say no I don't want to upgrade
12:16<somiaj>sorry it is --assume-no
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12:17<dandersson>With the terminal user interface for aptitude: press g to go to the upgrade screen, and then cancel.
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12:17<dandersson>ovan: Which method do you prefer to use to upgrade your system? apt-get, aptitude, other tools?
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12:19<ovan>dandersson: The --dry-run option seems closest to what I was looking for. I usually use apt-get or aptitude to manage packages.
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12:50<countley>hello everyone
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13:21<manikanta>Are there any good resources which explain about open source licenses? ....Like MIT , GPL etc..
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13:24<centrx>manio, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_license
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14:01<child>how to add a mx to email server google in the bind?
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14:02<imperium>hello, pardon my english. i have 4 nic on my gateway, 3 for wan and 1 for lan. i assign each wan iface to iproute rt_tables. my question is, where i should put my custom ip rule scripts in debian way? scripts run from /etc/network/interfaces pre-down/post-up
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14:11<oskie>imperium: /etc/network/iptables.rules seems common, but it is up to you
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14:16<imperium>oskie: thx
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14:27<fr33domlover>child, use a web search to find examples of MX records
14:27<fr33domlover>but I have no idea what the g00gle part means
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14:33<henker>hey guys, how can i apt-get distupgrade but ignore one package that I know causes trouble when I upgrade?
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14:35<retrospectacus>henker: pinning
14:35<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell henker about pinning
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14:37<henker>@retrospectacus but isn't pinning for using different releases? I'm in the same release, I just don't want package "A" from going from version 1.0.1 to 1.0.2
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14:40<oskie>marking a package for hold means that it will not be upgraded, regardless of what the new version is
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14:41<Brigo>oskie, yes
14:41<henker>oksie, i read about hold somewhere, but I'm scared to forget to unhold it later and mess my system. Does it tell me while dist-upgrading that "X" package is on hold?
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14:43<oskie>henker: yes, if there are pending upgrades
14:43<oskie>you can of course also do dpkg -l | grep ^h
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14:50<cesurasean>hey guys. i upgrade my entire system, and after dovecot restarts, it just stays at a black screen. how can i continue the upgrade or cancel it?
14:50<cesurasean>using apt-get.
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14:55<cesurasean>anyone??
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15:00<retrospectacus>henker: pin or hold will both work
15:00<henker>retrospectacus I used hold, thanks! :)
15:00<henker>apt-mark hold packagename did the trick
15:01<retrospectacus>great :)
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15:04<abbas>ا
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15:21<cesurasean>hello?
15:21<cesurasean>anyone?
15:21<cesurasean>my system is fubar??
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15:24<ovan>!tell cesurasean about smart questions
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15:42<sam123>hello
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15:51<lord_rob>Hi! How do I update flashplugin-nonfree?
15:52<Nemoder>try dpkg-reconfigure
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15:54<lord_rob>the command is normally update-flashplugin-nonfree (which displays that the upstream version is more recent than mine) but I cannot upgrade correctly
15:54<jordanm>lord_rob: update-flashplugin-nonfree is correct
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15:59<lord_rob>ok, but update-flashplugin-nonfree doesn't work correctly (checked in verbose mode)
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16:03<blast007>lord_rob: can you elaborate? is there some output you can post to http://paste.debian.net ?
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16:09<lord_rob>blast007: I came here because I had forgotten the command but I'm using SID so pasting the output is not appropriate I think
16:09<retrospectacus>it needs --update or something, and should be run as root iirc
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16:10<retrospectacus>showing us output using http://paste.debian.net is always appropriate
16:10<retrospectacus>but sid problems should be handled in #debian-next
16:11<lord_rob>right
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17:30<El_Presidente>morning gents
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17:30<El_Presidente>whats a good tool to monitor temps udner debian?
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17:30<El_Presidente>minimal tool preferred
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17:38<abrotman>dpkg: tell El_Presidente about search
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17:40<El_Presidente>thanks abrotman, an apt-cache seach shows walls of text.. I was wondering if someone could tell a specific package name. Thanks anyways
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17:59<ioann-sys>Hello! Who help me with VPN?
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18:01<ovan>!tell ioann-sys about smart questions
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18:02<ioann-sys>After connect to my office over VPN, I have not access to Internet, but i see offices resources. How to VPN + Internet?
18:02<Alex>Can someone help me fix my Debian system? I have never used IRC Chat before, so bear with me.
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18:03<ioann-sys>Alex: what is your problem?
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18:05<Alex>I used GParted to "clone" my Debian partition to a larger hard drive. But the Debian system was still using the old swap, so I deleted that swap off the old drive and put it on the new drive. Now Debian wont boot.
18:06<retrospectacus>fix fstab
18:07<Alex>I have already tried. I commented out the hole area that was saying where the swap was, but it just hangs after GRUB and the kernel finishes loading.
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18:17<Alex>Anyone?
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18:19<devil>Alex: check the UUID
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18:20<devil>blkid shows you the real ones, check the one for swap against fstab
18:20<fr33domlover>for system users, which login shell is preferred - /usr/bin/false or /usr/sbin/nologin?
18:21<fr33domlover>tutorials use both randomly, I'm not sure what's the different or whether it mattes
18:21<fr33domlover>e.g. over ssh
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18:22<Alex>For new swap: UUID=8d3bc234-e782-45bd-89b4-dad230eb215c | For old swap: be31ec52-627f-4b86-b3bc-945563581873
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19:03<rjsalts>In preseed I want the default partman-auto-lvm/new_vg_name, which will be the hostname, but I don't want to be prompted, how do I achieve that?
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20:33<f-a_>I am using wpa_supplicant to connect to a wifi router
20:34<f-a_>how can I query wpa_supplicant (or another program) which hotspot I am connecting to?
20:34<somiaj>f-a_: look at the actual wifi card, 'iwconfig wlan0' for isntance lists lots of info
20:34<El_Presidente>sudo iwconfig
20:34<El_Presidente>too late :)
20:35<f-a_>ohh pretty awesome, thanks
20:36<rfreeman>any progress in any forking of debian to avoid systemd?
20:36<Brigo>you do not need fork debian to avoid systemd.
20:36<f-a_>I guess you shouldn't ask here
20:36<rfreeman>did I got that right, that deb8 will not fully support non-systemd instalations? btw then how are we going anyway to support freebsd/hurd that do not have systemd at all
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20:37<Brigo>afaik jessie will fully suppport systemvinit at least. May be upstart and openrc too.
20:38<somiaj>they will all be installable unless one has rc bugs that dont get fixed (which I doubt)
20:38<somiaj>though it coudl be possible upstart or openrc may need special configuration for some services.
20:40<rfreeman>but the latest vote decided that it is ok to have packages that will demand systemd to work, right?
20:40<Brigo>afaik nobody talks about fully supporting openrc and upstart, but it will be great could testing all them with jessie.
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20:41<Brigo>rfreeman, no the las vote does not talk about systemd at all, but init systems.
20:41<rfreeman>Brigo, well yes, systemd is init system...
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20:42<Brigo>rfreeman, the vote talk about one package depeding on one init system not systemd.
20:42<Brigo>not especifically systemd i mean.
20:43<Brigo>rfreeman, but yes, if you are asking the vote allow gnome3 to depend only of systemd
20:44<Brigo>like gnome developers want to.
20:44<El_Presidente>rfreeman: yes, with further releases I doubt you could run both like butter, gnome surely seems to be systemd only in the forseeable future. there is also the question of debian with non-linux kernels.. its barely technical anymore, mostly philosophical I'd say
20:44<rfreeman>well so in result a package could say "I need systemd". (it also could say "I need openrc" that does not make it better) I want them to say "I need any init" or at least "I want the good old decentralized (in leadership) initd that we all know for decade+"
20:44<Brigo>non amd64 or i386 system will use xfce as defauld de.
20:45<rfreeman>El_Presidente, debian is full of bugs and does not "run as butter" even now
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20:45<abrotman>rfreeman: Do you actually need help with Debian?
20:45<El_Presidente>rfreeman: I have to say it does on my laptop (running jessie!) Like butter!
20:45<Brigo>rfreeman, initd is not decentralized it conflicts with upstart and systemd at least.
20:46<rfreeman>abrotman, yes I need to figure out way to run debian 7 and in future 8 without systemd and working well
20:46<abrotman>rfreeman: there are a few blog posts about this on planet.debian.org
20:46<rfreeman>errr I mean about debian8.
20:46<abrotman>rfreeman: Please go read these, come back with further questions
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22:21<Pixionus>Anyone have any idea why nomater what keyboard config I switch to, all my modifier keys show up as L-Shift? (wheezy with gnome)
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22:23<Pixionus>I've tried a number of things, but just can't figure it out. Keyboard works fine on Windows computer and modifiers work fine on my Debian if piped in from elsewhere (like with Synergy)
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