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---Logopened Wed Nov 26 00:00:14 2014
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00:07<El_Presidente>if I wanted to make a backup of my system, can I do a dd on a live system (ie backup to an image file the disk from which the system is running/root partition) ?
00:07<El_Presidente>what is the best way to backup debian?
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00:18<Fakeboost>Hello, my usb wifi module isnt recognized.It is a tp-link unit.There s no linux driver at all in the official homepage.What can i do?
00:19<sleser>google debian virsion driver u looking for see if it shows anything wiki infos
00:21<sleser>chek if the computer sees the module
00:21<Fakeboost>ok
00:23<sleser>on clean install of debian usb dosnt works out of the box you need to set so when you plug the usb anything it plug and plays
00:23<sleser>thats the first thing good to chek
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00:25<retrospectacus>Fakeboost: unplug and re-plug the device. Then run "dmesg|tail -50 " and put the output on http://paste.debian.net/ and give us the link
00:25<Fakeboost>lsusb outputs realtek semiconductor, but i dont know if thats the tp links chip
00:25<Fakeboost>ok
00:26<Fakeboost>but i dont have connection on that computer, retrospectacus
00:27<retrospectacus>well... it sounds like you need one of these
00:28<retrospectacus>!rtl819x
00:28<dpkg>For support of Realtek 802.11n PCIe devices, ask me about <rtl8192ce>, <rtl8192de>, <rtl8192e>, <rtl8192se>, <rtl8723ae>, <rtl8188ee>. For support of Realtek 802.11n USB devices, ask me about <rtl8192cu>, <r8712u>, <rtl8192u>, <rtl8723au>, <rtl8188eu>. See also <what's my wireless>.
00:28<Fakeboost>i can read you: it says usb 1-5 firmware agent aborted loading rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin not found
00:28<retrospectacus>ok
00:28<retrospectacus>,file rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
00:28<judd>Search for rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin in wheezy/i386: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin
00:28<Fakeboost>also, cant init_sw_vars
00:28<Fakeboost>searching...
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00:29<retrospectacus>so you have rtl8192cu and need to install firmware-realtek which is in non-free
00:29<Fakeboost>aha
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00:30<retrospectacus>!rtl8192cu
00:30<dpkg>The Realtek RTL8188CUS and RTL8192CU are USB 802.11n wireless LAN chipsets. mac80211 vendor driver (rtl8192cu) is in mainline since Linux 2.6.39. Firmware is required (rtlwifi/rtl8192cufw.bin), ask me about <realtek firmware> to provide. Not to be confused with the <rtl8192su> driver. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x
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00:32<retrospectacus>you can probably just grab it from packages.debian.org and transfer it by usb or so, then install with "dpkg -i firmware-realtek-whatever.deb"
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00:33<Fakeboost>ok
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00:37<Fakeboost>found the package, now i need a pen drive to transport it, thanks, retrospectacus
00:37<retrospectacus>np
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00:42<retrospectacus>let us know how it goes
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01:44<hasan>what does backports mean ?
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01:45<sleser>guys a laptop came from store with win 7 , is that 64 bit or 32?
01:45<sleser>or how to make sure before downloading a linux virsion to it
01:45<sleser>in bits
01:46<retrospectacus>google it
01:46<jm_>!backports
01:46<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
01:47<sleser>thanks
01:47<jm_>sleser: start -> control panel -> system and security -> system
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01:48<sleser>i dont have the laptop yet . friend throwing it out . i was already going to download and prepare the usb stick for it piking it up this week
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01:49<jm_>if it's relatively recent then it's most likely a 64bit cpu
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01:49<sleser>dont know yet what it is . he said came from store with win 7 not sure now if windows 7 has 32 bit
01:50<jm_>it sure is available in both 32bit and 64bit version
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01:50<sleser>but im guesing if something that runs heavy something like win 7 . linux will run smooth
01:50<sleser>no ?
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01:52<sleser>....i shel return with this perhaps ones i get the unit
01:53<sleser>to be more spesific on the specs and what link to dl from
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01:54<retrospectacus>just grab the amd64 netinst for 180 mb - it will most likely be fine
01:55<retrospectacus>or whatever number of mb
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01:57<sleser>im not woried about mb he said its 300 gig laptop
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01:58<sleser>planing to run kde on it
01:58<sleser>i gona chek it out
01:58<sleser>lemy ones get it . ill ask then
01:58<Out`Of`Control>hi, how to see if i run 64bit system?
01:58<Out`Of`Control>from terminal
01:59<Out`Of`Control>lsb_release -a does not show me
01:59<sleser>uname -a
01:59<jm_>64bit kernel or release?
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01:59<Out`Of`Control>ah thanks!
01:59<sleser>it shows like mine shows i 686
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01:59<Out`Of`Control>jm_: to see its 64 or 32 bit system running
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02:00<Out`Of`Control>x86_64 GNU/Linux
02:00<jm_>Out`Of`Control: you can have 32bit release with 64bit kernel - dpkg --print-architecture for the release, uname for the kernel
02:01<Out`Of`Control>jm_: shows me amd64
02:01<jm_>so it's 64bit release then
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02:01<Out`Of`Control>thank you
02:02<jm_>no problem
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03:44<f-a>http://www.amazon.it/gp/product/B000815CF4 <-- I just bought this, doesn't work out of the box (my pc = thinkpad x60s). I noticed there is, mh, only one black part on the jack (mono?). Am I screwed or is there something I can do to make this work?
03:46<jm_>how did you test?
03:47<f-a>jm_: I plugged the mic in the reddish socket. Opened audacity, pressed record, sang a song.
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03:48<f-a>the internal microphone works (when the external is unplugged, of course)
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03:49<jm_>f-a: did you check if line-in is unmuted in the mixer?
03:49<f-a>from alsamixer, jm_ ?
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03:50<jm_>f-a: yeah or other tools like amixer
03:52<peter1138>Yes, that won't work in a PC's microphone socket.
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03:53<f-a>peter1138: ouch... is there any way around this (software or adapter?)
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03:54<jm_>what's the reason for it not working?
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04:01<f-a>www.ariis.it/link/t/am.txt jm_ seems it is open, yes
04:01<peter1138>jm_, the wiring is different from the PC microphone.
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04:02<peter1138>It's an electret condenser, so it needs a power supply. A PC microphone port provides power on the ring of a TRS jack, which isn't present on that microphone.
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04:05<jm_>ahh so that's what 2nd ring is for? thanks for the explanation
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04:08<peter1138>f-a, you'll need a hardware adapter, but it's probably that one doesn't exist.
04:08<peter1138>*probable
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04:08<f-a>peter1138: yeah, and given it's 20 euros, I better just give it back.
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04:39<cantaloupe>hai there ..
04:39<f-a>hello
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04:50<theocrite>Can anybody tell me why id (as a user) and "id user" have a different output?
04:51<f-a>same output here
04:51<theocrite>http://paste.debian.net/133590/
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04:51<f-a>f-a@x60s:~/downloads$ id f-a; id
04:51<f-a>uid=1000(f-a) gid=1000(f-a) groups=1000(f-a),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev)
04:51<f-a>uid=1000(f-a) gid=1000(f-a) groups=1000(f-a),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev)
04:51<theocrite>I don't get it.
04:51<f-a>bumblebee :s
04:52<theocrite>Yeah, is it because I just added my user to that group? Do I need to restart something? (I Always thought I only needed to restart the shell).
04:52<peter1138>theocrite, have you logged out and back in since it was added?
04:52<peter1138>You need to log out, but not restart.
04:52<theocrite>peter1138: It depends. I didn't kill my X session, but not my term+shell.
04:52<theocrite>Hm I see.
04:53<theocrite>You're right. It was stupid.
04:53<theocrite>Sorry for the noise. :)
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05:03<jm_>or you can use newgrp/sg
05:04<jm_>for one new shell
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06:15<theocrite>reportbug failed with the following message "send/write operation failed, bug report saved to /tmp/reportbug-bumblebee-20141126-10165-zP2DsB". Is there a way to run reportbug with this file as argument?
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07:11<cardiel>i mount some filesystems with nfs on my client , and rpcbind is started when i do that, so i wonder how i can disable the start of rpcbind?
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07:17<weasel>you need it do do nfs.
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07:35<cardiel>weasel, when i stopped the service i could mount wit nfs anyway
07:36<cardiel>are you sure its needed for a nfs client?
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07:41<peter1138>It's needed by rpc.statd and rpc.idmapd
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07:41<peter1138>If you don't need them, you don't need rpcbind.
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07:42<peter1138>Whether they are required for normal NFS operation, I couldn't tell you :)
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09:24<yossarianuk>hi - I am trying to use alien to convert an RPM -> .DEB
09:24<yossarianuk>it works fine *except* the post/pre install scripts.
09:25<yossarianuk>in the RPM they all start off with 'if [ $1 -eq 1 ]; then'
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09:25<yossarianuk>This causes debian to error with - '.postinst: line 2: [: configure: integer expression expected'
09:26<yossarianuk>Is there a way to convert 'if [ $1 -eq 1 ]; then' -> a postinst script ?
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09:35<yossarianuk>Essentially all I want the script to do is check if the package that is being installed is a new package or an upgrade to existing one .
09:35<yossarianuk>which is what 'if [ $1 -eq 1 ]; then' does in the RPM scriptlet.
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09:40<abrotman>yossarianuk: is the top of the script /bin/bash or /bin/sh or /bin/dash ?
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10:28<ahmad>hi
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10:51<awal>Any open source software that supports skype?
10:51<abrotman>Skype is a closed protocol AFAIK
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10:53<awal>yeah
10:54<AnonWarlord>op is a gay nigger from outerspace
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10:54<yossarianuk>abrotman: /bin/bash
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10:55<yossarianuk>'if [ $1 -eq 0 ]; then' in debian/postinst just gives 'integer expression expected' error
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10:57<zathras>yossarianuk, so $1 is troublesome
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11:00<zathras>you are probably comparing an integer (0/1) with a string or NULL
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11:05<awal>Trying to have a minimal debian system. After a minimal install I installed fluxbox and xorg but when I logout from fluxbox I get a black screen instead of getting a tty; that happen because there is not a session manager?
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11:07<petn-randall>awal: How are you starting fluxbox then?
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11:10<vrkalak>petn-randall, try /freenode #fluxbox,#fluxbox-dev ... paultag is the debian-maintainer for fluxbox
11:11<awal>petn-randall, sorry confused. With update-alternatives I set fluxbox as default x-session-manager. And I start fluxbox with 'start x'. I mean that happen because there os not a login manager?
11:14<petn-randall>vrkalak: I don't need support with fluxbox.
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11:15<awal>fluxbox is the default x-window-manager too. with lightdm or slim as a desktop manager I dont have that issue
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11:23<yossarianuk>zathras: thanks - its a copy of the rpm post/pre install scriptlet
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11:24<yossarianuk>zathras: what i need is a way for the debian/postinst script to identify if the package is a new install or update
11:24<yossarianuk>does such a thing exist in debian ?
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11:42<babilen>yossarianuk: #debian-mentors please
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11:44<yossarianuk>babilen: i.e I should ask there/
11:44<Guest933>sdf
11:45<babilen>yossarianuk: indeed
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11:45<yossarianuk>cheers
11:45<yossarianuk>will do
11:46<yossarianuk>thanks
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12:48<FURQAN>hi
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13:20<mus1c>;-)
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13:21<mus1c>anyone use xubuntu on older desktop?
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13:22<jmlongo>I think you'll have more luck in this channel if you ask about debian + some light weight Desktop Environment ;)
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13:27<cesurasean>hey guys.
13:27<cesurasean>for some reason i cannot upgrade my system with apt-get. it gets stuck on dovecot restarting.
13:27<cesurasean>what do i do?
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13:29<OasisRST>.
13:30<OasisRST>Bonjour, Je cherche un control panel lite et open source pour mon VPS qui a une idée ?
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13:31<OdyX>!tell OasisRST about fr
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13:33<petn-randall>cesurasean: Upgrade from where to where? Can you show us the output?
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13:38<cesurasean>i rebooted the server few times, did dpkg -configure -a, and it finally kicked over dovecot.
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13:38<cesurasean>lol
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13:43<cardiel>peter1138, thaks for the information , a late thank to you :)
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13:44<f-a>I installed virtualbox and put debian/sid
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13:45<f-a>is there any risk running software there?
13:46<f-a>I mean, let's say I install a malicious thing in the virtualbox, can it 'see' the non virtualbox files/things?
13:46<jmlongo>risk for your host machine? ... I doubt it
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13:47<rryoumaa>anybody know whether the virtualbox guest is behind the host firewall?
13:47<f-a>yes, host machine is the word I was searching
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14:20<dmitry>Hi
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14:25<valdyn>rryoumaa: it depends
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14:26<valdyn>rryoumaa: not necessarily
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14:28<Eyegor>hey all....question: I installed hexchat via apt-get install hexchat, and all seemed to go well....it shows up as being installed, but I cant find it anywhere to run it. I'm a noob at debian, so any ideas are welcome
14:29<valdyn>Eyegor: dpkg -L <packagename> | grep bin
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14:29<Eyegor>ok thanks, I'll try that
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14:35<Eyegor>ok, weird.....now it says hexchat not installed. When I go to the add software app and search for it, it shows up...when I check it and click the "apply" button, nothing happens
14:35<valdyn>Eyegor: everyone uses apt-get
14:36<valdyn>Eyegor: at least you'll defenitely have alot more support here for that tool
14:36<hasan>what does backport means ?
14:36<valdyn>hasan: technically or practically?
14:36<hasan>technically. :P - I am coming from redhat environment. new to debian, started using debian some time ago... trying to understand the basics.
14:37<valdyn>hasan: a backport is a testing or unstable package recompiled for stable, usually.
14:37<valdyn>hasan: s/recompiled/rebuilt/
14:38<Eyegor>thanks valdyn....like I said, I'm a noob and still feeling my way around this....but now when I go back and try the apt-get command I get this message:
14:38<Eyegor>Package hexchat is not available, but is referred to by another package.
14:38<Eyegor>This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
14:38<Eyegor>is only available from another source
14:38<Eyegor>E: Package 'hexchat' has no installation candidate
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14:38<valdyn>judd: versions hexchat
14:38<judd>Package: hexchat on i386 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1; sid: 2.10.1-2
14:38<hasan>valdyn : many thanks,
14:38<valdyn>EmleyMoor: you can see at what judd said that hexchat is not available in wheezy, which is probably what you are running
14:39<valdyn>oops
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14:39<somiaj>maybe they'll be back once they realize they were kicked. (:
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14:57<awal>How to prevent black screen when in tty1,2...?
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14:59<awal>"setterm blank" ?
14:59<awal>setterm -blank
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15:06<awal>I type "setterm -blank" but screen is dark again after some minutes.
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15:11<awal>Ok. 'setterm -blank 0' is what I must type :)
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15:13<El_Presidente>judd: versions transmission-daemon
15:13<judd>Package: transmission-daemon on i386 -- squeeze: 2.03-2; wheezy: 2.52-3+nmu2; wheezy-security: 2.52-3+nmu2; jessie: 2.84-0.1+b1; sid: 2.84-0.1+b1
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15:25<Aletheia>What would be the best way to download a huge file on a live system (if i'm just able to write via sudo on several partitions)?
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15:26<weasel>sudo wget?
15:26<weasel>make the external partition writeable by the unprivileged user?
15:26<weasel>wget/curl to stdout, pipe into sudo sh -c 'cat > foo'?
15:27<weasel>download to tmpfs (depending on how huge), copy over as root.
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15:27<Aletheia>haha..^^..nice.., thanks, very much..
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15:29<Aletheia>how would i do the second one, weasel..? thanks again for multiple solutions..
15:29<Kamilion>Aletheia: I utilize the last one (tmpfs) most of the time.
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15:29<weasel>depends on what the filesystem is.
15:29<Kamilion>Aletheia: what type of partition is it? msdos/vfat or a full unix filesystem?
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15:30<Kamilion>in the former, you can adjust the mount options, in the latter you may use chown or chmod depending on your needs.
15:30<Aletheia>it's ext4, Kamilion..where do i find more informations about the tmpfs method..?
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15:31<Kamilion>Aletheia: Personally, I cd to /tmp, wget the file, and then move it to the place I want.
15:31<Kamilion>in my case, I am downloading a replacement .iso file of approximately 700MB and copying it to a vfat partition.
15:32<Kamilion>followed by executing 'sync' and waiting for it to return.
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15:34<Kamilion>since your partition is ext4, you can use standard unix permissions to assign who may read and write. Either change the mount point's ownership to the user in question, or change the permissions on the mount point to allow either group write, if the users share a unix group, or 'world', however I would be very careful with the 'world' read/write bits, it's easy to shoot yourself in the foot.
15:35<Kamilion>with the proper setting of permissions, it's even possible to deny directory listings to unpriviliged users.
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15:36<Kamilion>but it's important to know that even if you deny directory listings, if an attacker is aware of the filenames from some other means, they may still be able to access them depending on the descendant file permissions.
15:36<wieczorek1990>Hi guys. How can I login as root from standard user account with the use of other admin account? I need something like: su -; sudo su
15:37<Kamilion>sudo -s ?
15:37<wieczorek1990>no the standard user is not is sudoers
15:37<Kamilion>I'm not sure then, honestly.
15:37<wieczorek1990>sorry should be su admin; sudo su
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15:38<wieczorek1990>I could just "su -" but thats root with password
15:38<Kamilion>not sure, sorry. I don't have my security set up in a way that would allow that.
15:39<wieczorek1990>So you don't allow su?
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15:39<Kamilion>correct
15:39<Kamilion>i only allow sudo
15:39<Kamilion>root does not have a password.
15:40<Kamilion>it can only be accessed via SSH private key, or with a valid user account with sudoers permissions.
15:41<wieczorek1990>Why does Debian come with root password then? :)
15:41<ompaul>Kamilion: na don't let someone ssh to root
15:41<Kamilion>Because debian is not me :)
15:41<Kamilion>ompaul: 'someone' is solely myself.
15:41<ompaul>only ssh to an unpriviliged user and then sudo -i or su -
15:41<ompaul>Kamilion: you think that :)
15:42<wieczorek1990>Other question: How do I make a script run with root priviliges?
15:42<ompaul>preventing extrenal access by root is a great thing
15:42<Kamilion>ompaul: sorry, with my system you must SSH into the xen domU for anything :)
15:42<Kamilion>dom0 is only accessable by serial console \o/
15:43<ompaul>Kamilion: somewhat opaque is the use case
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15:44<Kamilion>ompaul: I have hardened my configuration where I need to for my use cases. I do not expect Debian to carry the overly-paranoid configuration settings I prefer.
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15:45*Kamilion double checks sshd_config to make sure password authentication is still disabled
15:45<wieczorek1990>:)
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15:46<Aletheia>wow, okay, thank you very much.. well, before i began to ask i started to download that 4 GB file until everything went very slow, Kamilion
15:46<Aletheia>that's why i was suddenly away..
15:47<Aletheia>what a lovely, lovely shell..
15:47<Kamilion>Aletheia: should note that if you do not have enough physical memory to store the file in /tmp, it will attempt to use your swap and things can get rather annoyingly slow.
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15:48<Kamilion>most of my systems are above 16GB of memory though, so I don't really think about that often.
15:48<Aletheia>well, i assumed such. that was the reason i asked.. ..i just thought it will stop before freezing the desktop..
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15:49<Aletheia>ha ha.. well, 16 GB is a lot more.. ;)
15:50<Kamilion>sadly, not with the default configuration. the oom-killer might even get invoked if you're unlucky
15:50*Kamilion has opinions! o/
15:50<Aletheia>oom(out of memory?)-killer will kill everything..?
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15:51<Kamilion>well, I've had it attack firefox or chromium at times.
15:51<valdyn>Aletheia: it tries to guess which process to kill
15:51<Kamilion>they're usually the biggest target, and normally a pretty acceptable one to kill off due to the session restoration features
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15:52<Kamilion>I have, uh, a problem with my tabbed browsing. In the sense that I often have between one and two hundred tabs loaded... and chromium is generally the process tree that utilizes all of my physical memory on my workstation.
15:52<Aletheia>hmm..well.. it would have tried then to kill cloop0?
15:53<Kamilion>possibly! *chuckles* Check dmesg for more information if the oom-killer did run.
15:53<Aletheia>will check that..
15:53<Kamilion>or /var/log/messages (I think? It's been a while since I've used a system without journald)
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15:55<Aletheia>well, it seems i was fast enough to find and remove the tempory file and shutdown the process myself..
15:56<Kamilion>I'm going to step away from the computer for up to a half hour; anything I can answer beforehand?
15:56<Aletheia>what delicious systems.. and stable shoulders i stand on..
15:57<Aletheia>a good and worthy life, my friend.. thanks :)
15:57<Kamilion>Debian: It's for people. :D
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16:00<Aletheia>i would like to add..: it's for people and such who want to become users..
16:01<Kamilion>Welcome to IRC. Ask your questions, idle a while, and if someone knows, perhaps they'll have the time to answer. :)
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18:16<AR45>Does anyone know if the intel core duo 2 cpu in a very first mac book air is a amd64 processor?
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18:23<zoredache>I believe it is.
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18:25<El_Presidente>yes AR45 , get the amd64 build
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18:31<AR45>ah alright
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18:32<AR45>im wondering does anyone know if the wireless hardware in this machine would be supported with the net installer
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18:32<AR45>there is no ethernet port nor cd drive on the machine
18:32<AR45>net installer for debian wheezy
18:32<El_Presidente>unless your system is el oldo with little ram, perhaps the i386 build will be wiser (makes running emulation stuff easier)
18:32<AR45>emulation such as virtualization?
18:33<El_Presidente>yes, like running windows applications (using WINE)..
18:33<AR45>ah no no windows apps here lol
18:33<Kamilion>AR45: perhaps a 100mbit USB ethernet adapter would be a good addition to your toolbag.
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18:33<El_Presidente>AR45: PXE boot is very doable
18:33<El_Presidente>AR45: do you have anything related to "boot rom" network boot in your BIOS ?
18:34<Kamilion>AR45: I believe that iPXE has support for a bunch of wireless adapters these days.
18:35<AR45>Kamilion: iPXE not quite sure what that is
18:35<AR45>El_Presidente: actually I just booted into gparted live usb and now have access to the terminal
18:35<AR45>did a cat /proc/cpuinfo
18:35<AR45>but no wifi here to sprunge the information
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18:36<Kamilion>http://ipxe.org/start iPXE is a network boot rom that comes in several flavors, including an ISO image, USB images, network card firmware files, and I believe some kind of link with grub2
18:36<Kamilion>I prefer it over bare NIC card PXE boot roms as it can access boot scripts and files over the HTTP protocol instead of TFTP.
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18:37<AR45>ahh no idea wht you're talking about
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18:37<AR45>I wish my linux wisdom was on par
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18:38<El_Presidente>AR45: he's saying he prefers iPXE as it provides more functionality.
18:38<El_Presidente>AR45: so your goal is to do what now with your mac?
18:38<El_Presidente>install wheezy over network ?
18:39<AR45>It's a broadcom bcm4321..
18:39<AR45>crap...
18:40<Kamilion>"You can start your computer up from a network where a standard HTTP webserver is available to get files"
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18:40<Kamilion>ahh, that sucks. Broadcom wifi often needs firmware which is painful to deal with.
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18:41<El_Presidente>AR45: I have a broadcom on my laptop. There are many drivers available.. I got best performance with "broadcom-sta-dkms", do note this is a module to be loaded so it will pull more than the other drivers.. but end result is worth it
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18:42<El_Presidente>the other driver being firmware-brcm80211
18:42<El_Presidente>there is a bcm43 also? dont recall
18:42<El_Presidente>anyways the first one I mentioned gave me best performance (on my particular wifi card)
18:42<AR45>El_Presidente: okay there is an option to boot voer wifi
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18:43<AR45>dpkg network boot
18:43<dpkg>bugger all, i dunno, AR45
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18:43<AR45>dpkg network install
18:43<dpkg>methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <various cd1>, <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <installer>.
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18:44<AR45>dpkg how to install over a network
18:44<dpkg>AR45: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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18:45<El_Presidente>AR45: where did you find the option to boot over wifi?
18:46<AR45>El_Presidente: I held option key on boot
18:46<AR45>and there's a little wifi icon there so I clicked it and it asked me to enter my wifi password
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18:46<AR45>so I'm guessed that was the wifi install option
18:46<El_Presidente>mm
18:46<El_Presidente>AR45: not sure about those macs buddy..
18:47<El_Presidente>AR45: however if it is indeed capable of booting an image that would be neat
18:47<AR45>El_Presidente: I have installed debian on my macbook pro
18:47<AR45>El_Presidente: but it has a ethernet port
18:48<El_Presidente>AR45: try configuring the wifi and proceed, do you see it asking for info such as bootfile and such?
18:48<AR45>El_Presidente: no it doesn't
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18:48<AR45>I can just install it and get the drivers for the wifi on a usb drive and install it once the install is complete
18:50<El_Presidente>yes that would be simpler, install from USB minimal, then once wifi is up pull the rest off the net
18:50<AR45>dpkg minimal
18:50<dpkg>AR45: i haven't a clue
18:50<AR45>dpkg minimal install
18:50<dpkg>See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04 for required/recommended disk space. Debian keeps the base install relatively small for both hardware requirements and flexibility. As a consequence half the people are surprised that basic tools (like bzip2) are not "default" and half think that the existing base install contains too much (cron, python, ...). Also see <emdebian> <base install> <standard task>.
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18:51<El_Presidente>thats what I also do.. network installs and such are cool if in large deployments.. for a single machine installations,, setting up server and such.. USB is faster
18:51<El_Presidente>AR45: get the netinst cd
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18:51<AR45>https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
18:51<AR45>?
18:51<AR45>Si?
18:51<El_Presidente>note broadcom drivers are not included there, as they are non-free
18:51<AR45>I know
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18:52<El_Presidente>are you sticking with wheezy (stable) ? or plan to upgrade to jessie?
18:52<AR45>well I have jessie on this machine currently
18:52<AR45>and I have never had a problem
18:52<AR45>I went with stable for the macbook air because it's an older machine
18:53<AR45>I'm by no means an expert I'm slowly learning
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18:55<AR45>El_Presidente: what do I want to do with my machine.. hm install i3, firefox and play with more open source web frameworks that's about it
18:56<El_Presidente>I'm running jessie on my machines too.. more current software but wheezy is very nice too.. depends on your priorities I guess
18:56<AR45>El_Presidente: not many gui applications
18:57<AR45>El_Presidente: just vim and node&npm, bower, grunt and yeoman that's all I tend to install
18:57<El_Presidente>I think wheezy for older hardware is a wise choice indeed
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18:58<AR45>sf
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19:16<AR45>Apple has no intent to support older hardware
19:17<luminous>hello! I'm trying to installing libnfc on debian wheezy. I've found the libnfc package on tracker.debian.org, but I can't figure out to install this package into my system. apt-get doesn't see it, so it's not directly available in my repos. I tried installing devtools to use a link from the package tracker with dget, but that didn't work. any ideas on next steps?
19:18<Brigo>,v libnfc
19:18<AR45>dpkg tell luminous about libnfc
19:18<judd>No package named 'libnfc' was found in i386.
19:18<Brigo>luminous, there is not such package in debian.
19:19<AR45>luminous perhaps explain to us what you're trying to do?
19:20<Brigo>,v libnfc-bin
19:20<judd>Package: libnfc-bin on i386 -- sid: 1.7.1-2; jessie: 1.7.1-2
19:20<AR45>luminous: here http://nfc-tools.org/index.php?title=Libnfc#Debian_.2F_Ubuntu
19:21<Brigo>luminous, it looks like the package is to new for wheezy. You can try to backpor it.
19:21<Brigo>read the debian wiki.
19:22<AR45>luminous, you can build it yourself
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19:35<IR5782>Buenas gente
19:35-!-IR5782 is now known as FranKit0
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19:35<retrospectacus>hello, FranKit0
19:36<FranKit0>Tengo un problema, estoy en el canal de ayuda?
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19:39<FranKit0>this is a channel suport?
19:40<Brigo>FranKit0, yes, the debian english language channel support
19:40<Brigo>there is a debian-es too.
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19:41<FranKit0>Ohh
19:42<FranKit0>Please,
19:42<FranKit0>what's the support channel in spanish?
19:42<Brigo>FranKit0, as i said, debian-es :)
19:42<AR45>FranKit0: I sent you an invite to #debian-es
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19:42<MrFrood>!es
19:42<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
19:42<FranKit0>Ohhh :D, thanks guys
19:43<FranKit0>Thanks, thanks !!!
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19:57<El_Presidente>FranKit0: welcome!
19:57<luminous>AR45 / Brigo thanks for confirmations. I will dig into the debian wiki on building a backported package
19:58<Brigo>luminous, good luck :)
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19:59<AR45>luminous: no need to build backports
19:59<AR45>luminous: it's a repository of recompiled software to run on the libaries included in wheezy
20:00<Brigo>AR45, there is not backport for that packagae
20:00<Brigo>package*
20:01<AR45>ah well better yet
20:01<AR45>build it
20:01<AR45>o_o
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20:20<cesurasean>hey guys. i can restart dovecot by /etc/init.d/dovecot restart, but when i try to upgrade the package, it fails in jessie.
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20:20<cesurasean>can this be fixed soon?
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20:21<cesurasean>spits out a message about mtab, then stops upgrading.
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20:22<cesurasean>ok i forced reboots, did dpkg -configure -a, and somehow it got past that problem.
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20:24<cesurasean>forced a dist upgrade on jessie. that's a good sign. seems everyone is making good progress. :)
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21:18<AR45>Having some trouble trying to get the native bootloader to recognize a wheezy image.
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22:57<alumno_>Hola !
22:58<alumno_>como hago para borrar los archivos que ocupan espacio en el disco?
23:01<El_Presidente>!es
23:02<El_Presidente>dpkg: es
23:02<El_Presidente>alumno_: #debian-es
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