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01:33<grok>hi. are repos being updated or maintained or something? i'm having trouble with apt-get update. tried multiple mirrors. or is it something at my end?
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01:36<El_Presidente>work fine here!
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01:47<sleser>guys what file system must a flash stick be to pute a live cd on it
01:48<jm_>live cd is an image that already is formated with the right fs
01:48<sleser>a fat32 stick will work ?
01:49<sleser>or should i turn it in to a ext 4 or something other
01:49<jm_>you don't understand, you dump the image on the USB drive, it overwrites what's there (you don't copy it to the drive)
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01:50<sleser>i see
01:50<sleser>thats what i want to do dump it in there. the stick is a fat32 is that ok ?
01:50<El_Presidente>sleser: use this:
01:51<El_Presidente>http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
01:51<jm_>like I said, it doesn't matter what it is since it will be overwritten
01:51<jm_>please don't use unetbootin
01:51<El_Presidente>so after you get the iso image, use the tool above to put it in CD
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01:51<El_Presidente>yes its bloated
01:51<El_Presidente>but user friendly
01:52<jm_>it also causes problems
01:52<El_Presidente>another alternative is: http://rufus.akeo.ie/
01:52<sleser>rufus is virus
01:52<El_Presidente>what
01:52<sleser>terminal can do it
01:52<sleser>without no tool
01:52<jm_>if you need a windows tool use win32diskimager
01:53<jm_>in linux use cp, cat, dd ...
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01:53<El_Presidente>so if you are in linux just use dd
01:53<El_Presidente>you kept asking fat32 I thought u were in windowz
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01:53<sleser>.........the stick i bout from store has windows things inside like sandisk some crap stuf . gparted shows the stick fat file system
01:54<sleser>is why i asked
01:54<sleser>if it matered or not.
01:55<sleser>its all good now thanks for advice&S
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03:40<EmleyMoor>Is there a guide to using encrypted external drives? I am thinking of the security of my backups...
03:41<MasterPiece>EmleyMoor, You can use of GPG and PGP for manual encrypting
03:41<MasterPiece>but I suggest you to use Backula instead of backUp manually
03:41<MasterPiece>backula supports encrypted backups
03:41<EmleyMoor>MasterPiece: bacula is too much of a PITA to set up
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03:42<MasterPiece>Not really, EmleyMoor
03:42<MasterPiece>Its a few larger and have an agent for itself
03:42<EmleyMoor>Really, MasterPiece. When I realised flexbackup had been killed off, I looked at it.
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03:43<MasterPiece>HHmmmm, I prefer bacula for myself,
03:43<MasterPiece>if you don't want to use a tool
03:44<MasterPiece>you have to create it
03:44<EmleyMoor>A tool is fine, but it must be better than using lots of tiny hammers to crack a nut
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03:45<EmleyMoor>I have a script that handles my backups at present - based on one I found "in the wild"
03:46<EmleyMoor>Whatever I set up, it needs to cope with a "cycle" of removable drives as destination.
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03:48<MasterPiece>you can push your script in the NFS, then mount the NFS in all of machines, and set the right permission for the backUp SSH Key to run your specific backup script,
03:48<MasterPiece>and for the encryption
03:48<MasterPiece>you can use of GPG
03:48<MasterPiece>which supports symmetric and asymmetric encryption
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03:48<angel>Hello, I'm Angel. I'm ca
03:49<angel>javi
03:49<MasterPiece>Hello angel :)
03:49<angel>atack m+
03:50<angel>y spani¡sh?
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03:50<EmleyMoor>!es
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03:55<EmleyMoor>I'd certainly consider bacula if there were an example based on my kind of expected usage
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03:57<EmleyMoor>As it is, I'll just have to look towards adding an "encrypt" step to my existing script, I think...
03:57<EmleyMoor>(though it is taking around 14 hours on this machine without that step, on the full backup)
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04:04<EmleyMoor>I have found something potentially useful on the bacula wiki but it will take me some time to deal with it...
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04:06<MasterPiece>EmleyMoor, try to deal with it :D
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04:39<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: What is the setup you'd like to achieve, and what's your threat model?
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06:01<binarym_>hi all, is there an image of "hd-media" installer for Debian 8.2 available somewhere ?
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06:01<binarym_>i tried to generate an usb boot dist, but there's a mismatch with installer's kernel and iso one
06:02<Brigo>binarym_, there is no debian 8.2. There is not debian 8.0. The las one was debian 7.7
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06:02<Brigo>s/las/last
06:03<binarym_>Brigo: testing is 8 beta 2, isn't it ?
06:03<znalo>the installer is beta2
06:03<znalo>not debian
06:03<binarym_>ok ...
06:04<binarym_>btw, i need to generate a usb boot disk with debian testing
06:04<binarym_>if you prefer :)
06:05<peter1138>the usual way to install testing is to install stable and upgrade.
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06:05<binarym_>i know ... unfortunately, i can't use this way today
06:06<binarym_>i used to dl files from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
06:06<binarym_>for kernel and modules for the installer
06:06<znalo>http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/jessie_di_beta_2/
06:07<binarym_>i ever want there
06:07<binarym_>s/want/went/
06:07<binarym_>the problem is i can't burn disk
06:08<znalo>i think the cd images can be put on a usb stick and boot
06:08<binarym_>if i just dd if=<my iso> of=<my usb key>, won't work because installer search for file in a cdrom ... that doesn't exist
06:08<binarym_>znalo: my previous attempt were failure
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06:08<binarym_>but maybe it has changed
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06:10<binarym_>if i take the vmlinuz from my iso, but keep the initrd that i ever had, maybe it'll work
06:10<binarym_>gonna try this
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06:10<babilen>binarym_: Sounds as if the image/installer might be broken. You would, essentially, just write the image directly to your usb stick (e.g. "cp /path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdb ; sync" if your usb stick is /dev/sdb)
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06:12<binarym_>babilen: ok, i'm gonna try this too
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06:15<babilen>Which image did you use btw?
06:16<binarym_>babilen: i use debian-jessie-DI-b2-amd64-netinst.iso
06:16<binarym_>with kernel + initrd from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/
06:16<binarym_>just replacing the vmlinux was a big fail :)
06:17<binarym_>oh
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06:17<binarym_>i just s/stable/testing/ in the previous url and seems the files are up
06:17<binarym_>so it's ok
06:17<binarym_>sorry for the mess :)
06:17<babilen>binarym_: Why are you using kernel and initrd? You can write the iso directly to your stick.
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06:17<binarym_>babilen: to preseed it
06:18<binarym_>preseed will be on usb stick
06:18<babilen>Well, you wouldn't use the image and hd-media at the same time
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06:19<binarym_>babilen: yep, why not ?
06:19<babilen>I mean you wouldn't just copy it alongside .. See https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en → 4.3.3. Manually copying files to the USB stick — the flexible way for further details
06:20<binarym_>yeah i know
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06:20<binarym_>setting up syslinux, etc...
06:20<binarym_>i'm aware of that :)
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08:04<adema__>hi veryone
08:04<adema__>everyone*
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08:08<planetmaker>adema__, if you have a question, just ask :)
08:09<adema__>i know, but was just being polite :)
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08:10<adema__>actually i don't really know where to ask my question ... i'm trying to access ipv6 internet through ssh socks proxy (-D ssh option)
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08:11<ig10993>envoie moi le ficheir
08:11<adema__>the socks proxy works fine for ipv4, but as soon as i try to access an ipv6 address, for example, let's say in firefox, i have the following error from ssh : channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed
08:11<ig10993>que jtai envoyer
08:12<jm_>!fr
08:12<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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09:03<EmleyMoor>Anyone good with LibreOffice? I'm having problems using "Hidden Paragraph"
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09:04<vrkalak>EmleyMoor, try: /freenode #libreoffice
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09:04<EmleyMoor>OK
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09:17<Argure>o/
09:17<Argure>any way to get a list of all locally installed packages with dpkg?
09:17<Argure>e.g. apache2: *** 2.4.10-6 0
09:17<Argure> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
09:18<kwork>dpkg --get-selections
09:18<dpkg>kwork: i haven't a clue
09:20<Argure>kwork: what pattern?
09:20<kwork>pattern ?
09:20<Argure>to pass to the --get-selections param
09:20<kwork>no params eneeded
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09:21<Argure>raw --get-selections just shows a list of all packages regardless of if they are considered locally installed or not
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09:21<abrotman>kwork: that won't get what he's after
09:21<kwork>ah okey sorry misunderstood you
09:21<Argure>where I'm specifically looking for packages that think they live locally and won't look at the repo for new upstream versions anymore.
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09:22<abrotman>Argure: that's not really how that works.
09:22<abrotman>Argure: you could take your list of packages and compare it to what is available .. though I vaguely recall there's a script somewhere that does this
09:23<Argure>abrotman: what I did was throw in jessie on a wheezy system and gave it a Pin-Priority of -1 for some random things
09:23<Argure>which I now kind or regret :p
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09:23<abrotman>duh
09:23<Argure>on multiple machines too
09:24<Argure>:(
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09:27<cbtis>hi
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09:28<cbtis>pasense la imagen iso de windows 8
09:28<abrotman>cbtis: Debian
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09:30<cbtis>Olito bonito
09:30<cbtis>olis crayolis
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09:30<abrotman>cbtis: This channel is for Debian support only.
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10:06<rfreeman>I have config_grsec.sh script that sets proper /proc/ settings, without them most of programs will not run correctly (will be insecure or too restricted)
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10:06<rfreeman>what is the most debian way to run it at start: location to which copy the script (/usr/bin/ ?) how to connect it to init and at what level? it has "start" and "stop" command
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10:12<rfreeman>in init.d I just set proper dependencies in the script and it automatically sets proper sequence number right?
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10:17<abrotman>rfreeman: that's a good start
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10:20<rfreeman>ok so I will put the actual program in /sbin/ , and then the script that understands "stat" "stop" goes to /etc/init.d/ , then execute update-rc.d right?
10:21<rfreeman>then when making a debian package with above tool (that should make it auto-start) I just simply put these 2 file in src/ in "upstream source orig.tgz", then Makefile install will copy them to proper place, and debian rules postinstall will run update-rc.d ?
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10:28<eleve>allo
10:29<eleve>i have a problem
10:29<eleve>can u help me ?
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10:30<pujan14>describe your problem, someone might be able to help you
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10:32<petn-randall>!tell eleve -about ask
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11:30<attila>hello, can anybody help me? audacity and inkscape doesn't appear xfce menu, but there are .desktop files in .local/share/applications
11:30<rfreeman>attila, hm?
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11:30<attila>hello rfreeman
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11:30<rfreeman>attila, in debian 7, on xfce4, I do have inkscape, in "applications menu" > graphics
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11:32<rfreeman>attila, what exactly do you want to do?
11:32<attila>inkscape is in menu/graphics and audacity is in menu/multimedia
11:33<attila>i want, they appear in menu/graphics and menu/multimedia
11:34<rfreeman>attila, I thought you said they are there?
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11:35<rfreeman>attila, maybe you want to edit the menu? left click the menu, then Properties, then Menu File ... edit
11:36<attila>i have custom xfce-applications.menu file in ~/.config/menus
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11:51<jean_>everytime I log back in and do an su or sudo I cannot launch X applications as root. Once I copy the Xauthority file from a normal user directory to the root one it works. But when I log off and log back in the same thing happens again
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13:48<shopon>internet
13:48<abrotman>Do you need help with Debian?
13:48<shopon>yes
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14:17<rsmith>where do you report a stale Debian mirror, to get it removed from the list?
14:17<rsmith>193 days without updates according to apt
14:19<Brigo>rsmith, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=mirrors;dist=unstable
14:19<abrotman>eh ..
14:19<abrotman>rsmith: they probably already know
14:20<abrotman>!mirror status
14:20<dpkg>Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
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14:28<rsmith>abrotman: OK, thanks!
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14:54<awal>Which cd/dvd/usb burning command line tool you recommend?
14:54<abrotman>wodim
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15:01<awal>abrotman, thanks. Yes I use wodim, but I tought there is another one better
15:01<awal>never tried dvd+rw-tools. is it good?
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15:01<awal>k3b uses wodim, right?
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15:09<alumno_>hola
15:09<male>hola
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15:09<male>holaaaaaaa
15:10<haruspexx>hi
15:10<rfreeman>awal, aptitude show wodim says that it depends on: wodim | cdrskin so probably can use either
15:11<rfreeman>I used usually wodim, it's fone
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15:12<rfreeman>fine
15:12<azul>hola
15:12<male>holaaaaaaaa
15:12<azul>jajajajajajjajajajaj
15:12-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
15:13-!-mode/#debian [+b *!alumno@*] by abrotman
15:13<male>tanto quilombo para esto
15:13*abrotman wonders if he got that right ..
15:13-!-mode/#debian [+b *!~alumno@*] by abrotman
15:13-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
15:13<rfreeman>[ ] warn user how to behave on irc [ ] ask to speak less [x] just bun'em
15:13-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
15:13-!-mode/#debian [-b *!alumno@*] by abrotman
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15:14<ixi>awal wodim is really handy
15:14<ixi>I've written dozens of dvd with it, do recommend
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15:16<awal>ixi, yes I always use wodim; it's great software. I was just curious for try something different :)
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15:19<ixi>time genisoimage -RJ /path/to/folder-of-stuff-to-burn-on-dvd/ | wodim -vv -tao speed=8 -
15:19<ixi>nothing beats ^
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15:20<simon>hi?
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15:21<ixi>hi
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15:23<awal>rfreeman, in graphical mode, k3b is the most powerful
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15:24<awal>brasero and xfburn crashs when files have 1gb or more
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15:49<bobthebuilder>why doesn't the netinst installer download the packages in the background so they can be ready by the time the base system starts installing?
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15:50<retrospectacus>cause it wasn't built by bobthebuilder
15:50<bobthebuilder>heh
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15:50<FranKit0>Hi people
15:50<FranKit0>I have a problem, we can help me?
15:51<retrospectacus>!ask
15:51<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:51<FranKit0>I have a problem with te installer in Debian 7.6, error in grub, can't install the grub in the /target/
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15:59<FranKit0>All bots
15:59<FranKit0>:/
15:59<bobthebuilder>huh?
15:59<bobthebuilder>we're not bots, most are just idle. it's best to wait until someone here who is able to help speaks up
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16:00<FranKit0>Ok, sorry :'(
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16:03<abrotman>FranKit0: you have to ask an actual questoin
16:04<abrotman>bobthebuilder: file a wishlist?
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16:06<Argure>abrotman: re: earlier, I ended up piping `dpkg --get-selections`'s stdout to packages.txt, cleaned it up with sed, then piped that to apt-cache policy's stdin and redirected stdout to packages-policy.txt, then moar regexfu to get a list of locally installed packages
16:06<Argure>I'm starting to think there should be an easier way to do this.
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16:07<retrospectacus>!aptitude clone
16:07<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
16:08<retrospectacus>there are several established ways to do that, but that ^ is the best, I believe
16:08<Argure>retrospectacus: my problem is that I installed several packages from jessie on a wheezy system, but gave jessie a pin priority of -1
16:08<Argure>so everything from jessie is assumed to be locally installed and wont look for new upstream versions
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16:09<Argure>this is what I get for mixing stable with testing
16:10<Brigo>Argure, i think that is not a problem
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16:10<retrospectacus>I think <apt-clone> and/or <dpkg-repack> would handle that
16:10<Argure>retrospectacus: I'm in the train with 8% battery left
16:10<Argure>but I will try it when I get home
16:10<Argure>considering I did this on multiple (server) machines any easier method would be great.
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16:13<retrospectacus>FranKit0: we need more info about your hardware/ problem.
16:13<FranKit0>Yes i reading all
16:14<FranKit0>Mi hard
16:14<FranKit0>Disk SATA, Mother Asrock N68-VS3 FX, with Windows 7 Ultimate edition
16:15<FranKit0>Elementary OS and the others distros can work and install, but, debian not
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16:22<awal>Frankit0, how many primary partitions have your disk?
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16:23<FranKit0>sda1 and 2 ntfs, sda3 boot, sda5 swap and 6 /
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16:26<awal>and where you tried to install grub?
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16:27<FranKit0>in the sda
16:28<FranKit0>But, the grapic install its automatic
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16:30<awal>can you paste the output of "parted -l" in paste.debian.org ?
16:31<FranKit0>yes, i think so
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16:36<awal>?
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17:07<EmleyMoor>I have a problem with audacity - it occasionally "stops dead" - any useful way to find out why?
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17:09<El_Presidente>EmleyMoor: Settings > output plugin, what is it ?
17:10<EmleyMoor>El_Presidente: ...? -> Settings ...
17:10<El_Presidente>ops my bad. I thought you meant the media player.. sorry
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17:10*El_Presidente confused audacity with audacious
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17:28<resilient>..
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17:39<EmleyMoor>Grrr! Now it's dying every time I click "Stop"
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18:52<sleser>guys im trying to see a site. it wont let me it say s java script not enabled. does iceweasel have something to make it look like java is on ?
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18:53<abrotman>java and javascript are not the same
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18:53<bobthebuilder>sleser: no. the way those sites work is by having a useless, blocked site, and then adding javascript to make it working
18:53<bobthebuilder>the only (easy) solution is to enable javascript
18:54<bobthebuilder>is it one of those sites that keeps a pop up in front of you and won't let you close the pop up?
18:54<sleser>i dont know yet what it is it supose to be a site where i can see a live stream
18:54<sleser>without downloading nothing
18:54<sleser>like a tv sort of but live
18:55<bobthebuilder>oh, that will certainly require javascript
18:55<bobthebuilder>and possibly even flash
18:56<sleser>this is one site after using a long time . asked me this
18:56<sleser>ive using long time brouser iceweasel other sites never asked for it
18:57<bobthebuilder>websites that do complicated things like video streaming usually require javascript. a page has limited functionality without it. it may be fine for most sites, but things like this, it isn't.
18:58<sleser>linux dont use java does it ?
18:58<bobthebuilder>do you want to *view* the video? sometimes you can do that for simple video sites by right clicking on the page, selecting "view source", and then searching through the source for a video file extension, like control+f then look for "mp4", or for "flv".
18:58<bobthebuilder>java isn't the same as javascript. and iceweasel can use both i believe, even on linux
18:58<bobthebuilder>this is on debian, right?
18:58<sleser>yes easy sites like wher itll give u handshake
18:58<sleser>alot of sites today dont have that they pute their things and hide it reall complicated
18:58<bobthebuilder>not a derivative like tails?
18:59<sleser>yeh on debian
19:00<sleser>whitch addon or plugin i need for iceweasel to be hooked up with java
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19:00<bobthebuilder>are you *sure* it is java, and not javascript you need?
19:00<bobthebuilder>because they are totally different things
19:00<sleser>both for brouser ?
19:01<bobthebuilder>yeah, usually. but they have different purposes
19:02<bobthebuilder>javascript is very common and on almost every web page. without javascript websites have very little interactivity, and many websites act differently. java on the other hand is a programming language where the browser loads "java applets" for much more complicated things. sometimes video uses java (but mostly it uses flash).
19:02<sleser>im going to come back to this quastion again when an obsticle like came up before comes up again ill write it down and to be more sure and spesific on what it asked
19:02<bobthebuilder>ok
19:03<sleser>i already found the tv chanel . in diferent site i closed the one gave me obsticle
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19:03<sleser>ill come to this quastion again if i see it comes on my way more often
19:03<bobthebuilder>ok
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20:29<Anciento_Teracoverna>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQIhEMnseYk
20:29<Anciento_Teracoverna>Good morning, good morning and good evening people!
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