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02:36<Nach>So I wanted to check something in a terminal and hit Ctrl+Alt+F1, but now for some reason, I can't seem to get back to X. Ctrl+Alt+F1-F6 all work. F7-F12 don't seem to do anything at all. top still shows X and X programs running. Any idea what happened and how to get back into X without restarting it?
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02:38<jm_>perhaps check X server + your DM log
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02:38<Nach>tail of both shows nothing other than initial boot message from last week
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02:40<jm_>really? for me X server log is constantly being appended to and so is the x session errors log (haven't mentioned that above)
02:40<jm_>the x log might obviously depend on driver being used
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02:41<Nach>hmm, "chvt 7" works, just not the keyboard shortcut
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02:44<Nach>well, I guess that works too, chvt 7 && exit, wish keyboard shortcuts would work, but at least I'm not stuck
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02:47<jm_>usng loadkeys should restore the mapping if it has been lost
02:47<jm_>oh well too late
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04:26<EmleyMoor>Any way to prevent audacity's tendency to crash on "Stop"?
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05:43<aborrero>hi there
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05:43<El_Presidente>why hi
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05:44<deavid>i'm having stupid dumb problems with apt-cache... i just installed it, but i can't connect to it...
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05:44<deavid>lsof reports: apt-cache 14687 www-data 6u IPv6 92417 0t0 TCP *:3142 (LISTEN)
05:44<deavid>but nmap shows port closed!!
05:44<deavid>also, a nc 127.0.0.1 3142 says: (UNKNOWN) [127.0.0.1] 3142 (?) : Connection refused
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05:47<El_Presidente>deavid: not sure if this is right, but have a look at the conf file
05:47<El_Presidente>there should be an "allowed_hosts" parameter there
05:48<jm_>note how lsof says IPv6
05:48<El_Presidente>/etc/apt-cacher/apt-cacher.conf see allowed hosts in this file
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05:51<deavid>jm_: that is, is open for ipv6
05:51<jm_>and you're trying to connect over ipv4 ...
05:52<deavid>seems bug 612963
05:52<deavid>of course, i need ipv4 only
05:53<deavid>i changed /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf
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05:54<deavid>works.
05:54<deavid>thanks for pointing that ipv6 issue
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05:56<jm_>no problem
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06:07<jm_>how come you had that file with =1 still?
06:08<deavid>no idea, maybe a package or update rewrote it as =1; i remember setting it to zero on a Oracle Java problem years ago
06:09<deavid>this is a Debian Testing box, i'm upgrading since 2006 or so
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07:00<droopy>I am trying to install debian jessie beta 2, the non-free version because I need to load iwlwifi drivers for my Asus Zenbook
07:00<droopy>but during expert install he doesn't load the firmware
07:00<jm_>support for jessie is in #debian-next
07:00<droopy>ok
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08:04<anonnumberanon>gsimmons hey
08:04<anonnumberanon>I read your guide on the Debian Wiki.
08:05<anonnumberanon>https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure
08:05<anonnumberanon>I have an issue understanding something.'
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08:07<jm_>ask/explain your issue and someone might be able to help
08:07<anonnumberanon>There seems to be differences between these two pages as to what xorg configuration file needs to be created while using fglrx driver: https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure and https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/Configuration
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08:08<anonnumberanon>the former says /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf needs to be created while the latter says xorg.conf needs to be generated
08:09<jm_>there isn't, they are two different settings - the ATIProprietary/Configuration is for multi monitor setup
08:09<jm_>you no longer need xorg.conf so using /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is preferred
08:09<anonnumberanon>is that the one done with aticonfig --initial ?
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08:11<anonnumberanon>Are you saying this information should not be used? I should not use "sudo aticonfig --initial" ? https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/Configuration
08:11<anonnumberanon>Are you saying this information should not be used? I should not use "sudo aticonfig --initial" ? https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary/Configuration
08:11<jm_>yes, you probably don't need to use that
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08:13<anonnumberanon>so should I just do "echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "fglrx"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf"
08:14<anonnumberanon>what do I put for MyGPU, tDriver, how do I find the correct syntax for those?
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08:14<anonnumberanon>https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#configure
08:14<jm_>use those commands literally
08:15<anonnumberanon>ah without any changes?
08:15<jm_>yeah
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08:17<anonnumberanon>if i don't come back it means X broke again and I have to reinstall
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08:17<jm_>you don't have to reinstall ...
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08:18<anonnumberanon>well I copied /X11 into /home
08:18<anonnumberanon>to fix it if I can if it breaks
08:19<anonnumberanon>"bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf: Permission denied"
08:19<anonnumberanon>I did sudo...
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08:20<anonnumberanon>apparently it worked after doing "su" and inputting root password
08:21<jm_>sudo foo > /blabla means /blabla is attempted to be written under your current UID
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08:23<anonnumberanon>Okay I'll restart now.
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08:28<anonunmberanon>Neat. Two screens on, correct resolution from setting it in monitors config.
08:28<anonunmberanon>Now need to make them side by side instead of mirror mode.
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09:06<anonunmberanon>do I need to add a virtual screen in SubSection "Display" of the xorg.conf before I can do "xrandr --output DFP10 --right-of DFP9" ??
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09:06<anonunmberanon>I'm trying to put one screen at the right of the other in a non-mirrored way.
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09:07<mariok>anonunmberanon: No I don't think so.
09:08<mariok>does xrandr recognize with Outputs? I mean DFP9 and DFP10 ?
09:08<anonunmberanon>"xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1920x1920 (desired size 3840x1200)"
09:08<mariok>s/with/both/g
09:08<anonunmberanon>Heh.
09:09<anonunmberanon>yes it sees both these outputs
09:09<anonunmberanon>right now they are mirrored though
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09:09<rfreeman>anonunmberanon, I would try first setting the desired mode with other GUI tools, maybe
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09:11<anonunmberanon>rfreeman, arandr doesn't let me do so, nor does Settings Manager > Display
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09:23<anonunmberanon>rfreeman, GUI tools such as?
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09:24<rfreeman>anonunmberanon, I thought about this 2, if they do not work then dunno :| try also to reach xorg mailing list etc in case of problems
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11:44<rsmith>Is NUMA for "big iron" only? If I have a laptop, will I (or anyone else) ever find it useful to have NUMA in the kernel?
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12:12<nicolas>helllo
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12:24<anonunmberanon>I'm having a lot of trouble
12:24<anonunmberanon>with X
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12:28<retrospectacus>anonunmberanon: go on....
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12:29<anonunmberanon>Man I have the AMD catalyst GUI configuring my 2 monitors and writing a nice xorg.conf file and it's really cool and when I log out or restart. My screens always revert to cloned mode every time.
12:30<retrospectacus>same here. That's why (one of the reasons) I never log out. Suspend to ram FTW
12:30<anonunmberanon>Haha for real?
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12:31<retrospectacus>yes... bbl
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12:51<bugtraq>ola
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13:25<roberto>buonasera a tutti
13:30<roberto>posso chiedere una domand
13:30<roberto>A
13:30<roberto>c'è qualcuno in ascolto
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13:31<retrospectacus>roberto: wrong channel.
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13:38<roberto>cavoli
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13:38<Apollo>!it
13:38<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:50<weasel>LapideViridi: turn that off.
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13:54<LapideViridi>weasel, sorry. just tmi, or did I break some rules?
13:55<weasel>public auto aways are annoying and wrong.
13:56<weasel>public aways too. regardless of auto.
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13:56<weasel>nobody cares about those, just disable telling the channels. thanks.
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13:56<LapideViridi>Understandable. I thought it was etiquette having one. Not automatic by the way.
13:57<weasel>there are about 700 people in here right now. you do the maths :)
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14:00<LapideViridi>Heh, funny. Got that message on three channels simultaneously. Thought it was etiquette to have one, but I couldn't agree more.
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14:02<LapideViridi>On second notice, I think I was sat up. Such a prank...
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14:09<Argure>weasel:
14:09*Argure is away (Auto-away after 5 minutes) [BX-MsgLog-On]
14:09<Argure>( ≖‿≖)
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14:30<amilo>hi all, some day ago i've installed a debian in a system beyond proxy. Everything worked but apt-get and wget but i've fixed them. does exist a way to make everything globally working with proxy?
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14:33<ompaul>amilo: yes, in /etc/profile add this export http_proxy=http://192.168.whatever:3128
14:33<ompaul>assuming squid standard ports
14:34<ompaul>and you get your ip right
14:34<ompaul>amilo: also make the cache bigger and alter the max file size to deal with libreoffice deb files + a bit
14:34<ompaul>keep the cache around longer so apt-get updates for other boxes is good and fast
14:34<amilo>thanks so much ompaul
14:35<ompaul>increase cache size also have fun
14:35<amilo>can i save this conversation insome way being in xchat?
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14:35<ompaul>highlight and paste somewhere
14:35<ompaul>also
14:35<ompaul>turn on logging for going forward
14:36<amilo>K, at the moment i'm not at the pc location
14:37<amilo>that's why i'll save this. thanks again
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16:00<rio>anyone using crunchbang hire??
16:01<rio>silent night
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16:02<abrotman>or just not on-topic :)
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17:59<justaguy>My evil usb stick made gnome's disktool segfault o_O [ 5367.678033] gnome-disks[4198]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f828f31921f sp 00007fff555ca310 error 4 in libgio-2.0.so.0.4200.1[7f828f235000+171000]
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18:10<rfreeman>justaguy, report a bug please
18:10<justaguy>the fault: crappy usb stick, will look if i find out why it segfaults
18:10<justaguy>nn
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18:21<Rastep>hola
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18:23<micechal>I'm looking at this page: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/system-administrator/ch-sysadmin-users.html
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18:23<micechal>but can't find a way to display user's information
18:23<micechal>such as the real name and stuff
18:23<micechal>how can I do it?
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18:29<micechal>"finger" command seems to be what I needed
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18:44<dreck>hi
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18:47<awal>How to prevent the executio of 'update-alternatives' during installs? I mean: I have xterm as default x-terminal-emulator and I dont want update-alternatives change that when installing lxterminal, for example.
18:47<awal>execution
18:47<awal>^
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18:48<Brigo>awal, i think you can set it as 'manual selected' and then update-alt. will not change you selection.
18:49<awal>I know that one can run again update-alternatives for default xterm again but I want prevent
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18:49<awal>Brigo, sorry I don't really understand the mechanism
18:50<awal>I'm going to install 'terminator' now, so what I must do exactly?
18:50<Brigo>awal, just run update-alternatives --config x-terminal-emulator
18:52<awal>Brigo, yes I know that, but I want prevent automatic execution of update-alternatives during packs installations
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18:53<Brigo>awal, update alternatives will no change your selection, if you do not choose 0 (automatic)
18:54<anonnumberanon>does Catalyst driver known for making audio disappear? I just installed it this afternoon and this morning I still had audio.
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18:55<valdyn>anonnumberanon: its possible that its now the default audio device
18:56<anonnumberanon>heh i thought that way, i went into the gui but there are no sound menus
18:56<valdyn>anonnumberanon: install and run pavucontrol
18:56<anonnumberanon>k
18:57<valdyn>anonnumberanon: im assuming you *already* have pulseaudio installed
18:57<anonnumberanon>yes
18:57<anonnumberanon>whats the command to start it after install?
18:57<valdyn>anonnumberanon: "pavucontrol"
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18:58<anonnumberanon>ok i see the smplitude modulating in that gui, that's odd, not sound though
18:58<awal>Brigo, you don't understand me, sorry. I try to be more explicit I can: iceweasel is my default web browser (x-www-browser & gnome-ww-browser). I installed netsurf with apt and at the en of installation update-alternatives have set netsurf as default x-www-browser & gnome-www-browser. So I had the run again update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and update-alternatives --config x-www-browser and selected iceweasel as default. what I want is
18:58<awal>not let update-alternatives change defaults during install. I want iceweasel default and don't want update-alternatives change that when installing netsurf.
18:58<valdyn>anonnumberanon: you can see which device its playing back on too
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18:59<awal>bad english, omg
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18:59<anonnumberanon>ah it was muted
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18:59<anonnumberanon>sound is back
18:59<Brigo>awal, well we always have debian-es :)
19:00<awal>Brigo, ok. better yeah
19:00<Brigo>awal, but i undestood you.
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19:00<valdyn>awal: it doesnt change what you selected, of course a package can change the default
19:00<Brigo>just i think update-alternatives should not change your selection if this is not automatic.
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19:01<anonnumberanon>thanks valdyn
19:01<awal>valdyn so is the x package who call's update-alternatives for change defaults not update-alternatives itself?
19:02<valdyn>awal: if "automatic" is selected, then any package could install a higher priority alternative, so a new default
19:02<valdyn>awal: if you selected something else already, then no package would change that
19:02<awal>valdyn, "automatic" selected where?
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19:03<valdyn>* 0 /usr/bin/vim.basic 30 auto mode
19:03<valdyn>like ^^ for example, "auto mode"
19:03<Brigo> update-alternatives --config <alternative>
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19:05<dreck>might be a weird question but is there any alternative netinstall iso that would actually offer pre-install package management?
19:06<valdyn>!preseed
19:06<dpkg>[preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 . See also <debconf-set-selections>.
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19:06<awal>I have iceweasel only. after that I installed chromium and nothing changed, iceweasel still 0 auto mode. but after that I installed netsurf and when I cheked default x--www-browser and gnome-www-browser I see netsurf 100 automode & manual. why it's changed? netsurf requested update-alternatives for be defaulted?
19:06<valdyn>awal: because 100 is > 0
19:07<valdyn>awal: and auto mode was selected
19:07<awal>how it was selected
19:07<valdyn>awal: if you do nothing then its on auto
19:07<valdyn>awal: thats the default
19:07<awal>me I dont changed that
19:08<dreck>valdyn and does that actualy select and deselect individual things?
19:08<valdyn>dreck: what?
19:08<awal>auto mode were changed automaticaly
19:08<valdyn>its very simple, auto mode means that the highest priority is selected
19:09<valdyn>since 100 (netsurf) is > 0 (iceweasel), netsurf wins, as long as auto mode is selected
19:10<awal>ok. but how things are done automatically during installs ?
19:11<dreck>valdyn hm well put it another way (I think): I don't want it to simply end up hogging 400mb of internet which would make it no better than the poor manual gui seem to be?
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19:11<valdyn>awal: think before you ask please, theres not much at all left to explain
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19:12<valdyn>dreck: netinstall does not install much at all, im not sure how much it is
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19:12<valdyn>dreck: certainly not 400mb
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19:12<awal>valdyn, ok. sorry. forget it. I go to spanish room. english problem here. but thanks for your explanations
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19:13<dreck>valdyn..well it -indeed- is that much .. made me finally stop bothering with debian for some time ... finally thought I'll try check into it again and seem its still backward as usual :|
19:14<valdyn>dreck: feel free to post what to leave out on the appropriate forum
19:14<valdyn>dreck: b/c i cant see much at all
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19:16<dreck>what they need to leave out is the lack of packager sense ... sorry if that sound a bit blunt but thats pretty much what it seem like compared to old cds
19:16<dreck>^_^
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23:41<MasterPiece>!help
23:42<MasterPiece>how many bots are here? Can I list them?
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23:44<seeS>dpkg was a bot
23:44<dpkg>seeS: wish i knew
23:45<MasterPiece>seeS, yes, and the KGBs bots?
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23:45<MasterPiece>dpkg, bot
23:45<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
23:45<seeS>ah you want to list them all
23:45<MasterPiece>seeS, yes :D
23:46<seeS>i dont think they all have special modes
23:47<MasterPiece>Since the hostname of the bots ends up with the *.bot.oftc.net , I think we can list them
23:48<MasterPiece>in other words, list all of the users which logged in from special host
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23:48<MasterPiece>~help
23:48<MasterPiece>#help
23:48<MasterPiece> /help
23:48<MasterPiece>\help
23:48<MasterPiece>$help
23:48<MasterPiece>^help
23:48<MasterPiece>&help
23:48<MasterPiece>*help
23:48<MasterPiece>(help
23:48<MasterPiece>-help
23:48<MasterPiece>`help
23:49<MasterPiece>Not even a bot respond all types of the help command :D
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23:50<wakd>MasterPiece, /msg dpkg bots
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23:52<MasterPiece>wakd, Thanks, its a good answer :)
23:52<seeS>that is a good answer
23:52<wakd>\o/
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