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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-12-02

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01:58<Guiye-Elordenador_G>What's this?
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01:59<Guiye-Elordenador_G>Estoy buscando a un amigo
01:59<Guiye-Elordenador_G>Estoy buscando a un amigo
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02:00<vrkalak>!es
02:00<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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02:58<linuxator>"mplayer /home/Sharedusers/.xchat2/alerts/bark.ogg
02:58<linuxator>mplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libdvdnavmini.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"fix this?
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02:59<jm_>mplayer in debian depends on libdvdnav4 - are you using debian and its mplayer at all?
03:00<linuxator>jm_, it's sparkylinux based on Debian gessie
03:01<jm_>!sparky
03:01<dpkg>SparkyLinux is a Linux distribution based on <testing>. It is not supported in #debian. http://sparkylinux.org/ See also <based on debian>.
03:01<jm_>try looking there for support
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03:02<linuxator>jm_, ok,thanx
03:03<linuxator>dpkg, based on debian
03:03<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
03:04<jm_>I see it's different in jessie, it does not depend on that package there
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03:04<jm_>so maybe installing it will help, but really, look if they have an irc channel and ask there
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03:08<linuxator>jm_, uou mean installin libdvdnav4?ok,i'll try that
03:09<jm_>linuxator: well whichever package includes the missing lib
03:10<jm_>looks like it no longer exists
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03:15<linuxator>jm_, you no,i like it for being a rolling release
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04:25<lorenzo>ciao a tutti
04:28<lorenzo> xdcc list
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07:53<lapide_viridi>Why is it called ipconfig in Windows and ifconfig in Linux?
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07:55<Yatekii_>guys, can anyone help me with postgresql? I followed exactly the wiki but it fails to even perform the second command ...
07:56<El_Presidente>lapide_viridi: linux = InterFaceConfig, windows = InternetProtocolConfig. Done to confuse users.
07:57<lapide_viridi>Erm, isn't the second one the most clarifying one? InterFace?
07:59<El_Presidente>yes makes more sense on linux doesnt it? Indeed, with time, you will see this occuring more than one would expect..
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08:03<NeoID>what does this line mean? I've tried to force a modprobe, but stuck on understanding the response: Dec 2 13:00:36 GalileoSDK kernel: [ 5001.234120] g_mass_storage: version magic '' should be '3.8.7+ mod_unload 586TSC
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08:08<Xylon>why is ifconfig not on the netinstall CD?
08:08<jm_>it means the module's version doesn't match running the kernel's one
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08:08<Xylon>How the heck am I supposed to set up the network without even the most basic networking tools?
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08:09<Xylon>It's actually easier to install Archlinux
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08:09<jm_>it has ip command instead
08:10<Xylon>how do I do "ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.2 up" with ip?
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08:14<jm_>ip addr ... -- see man ip-address
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08:17<Kiranos>Hi please dont flame me or whatever, I'm reading up on what systemd does, and it seems to have its tentacles all over the place, changing syslog to binary logging, replacing cron with its own "timer", I know there as been talk about the systemd-init system replacemnet, but what about these other systemd features, will they be optinal and not default?
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08:20<zachary>Xylon: did you get my response? I am having either client issues or network issues.
08:20<Xylon>zachary, no I didn't
08:21<jm_>Kiranos: as for binary logs - it can also be used to send to syslog stlye socket AFAIK (binary logging is a no go for me)
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08:21<Kiranos>jm_: yea I was a bit worried about it as I want to ship my logs to a central server and there doesnt seem to be a good way to do that with binary logging,
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08:22<Kiranos>but will debian per default replace rsyslog and crontab with systemd implementations of it?
08:22<zachary>I'd say that ifconfig should be a minimal requirement for the install image but I think its due to the fact that the installer uses busybox as a shell
08:23<zachary>I have systemd directing log output to rsyslog as well :)
08:23<zachary>works flawlessly
08:23<jm_>not sure if the default will do that, probably not as the idea was to replace that after all
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08:24<jm_>haven't upgraded to testing yet (using upstart now)
08:25<zachary>If it is done by default, it isn't anything that can't be changed by edited a few config files. Just bust out vi and you are golden :)
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08:25<zachary>Or emacs if you worship Satan :P
08:26<Kiranos>zachary: jm_, yea it mostly out of curiosity, I've only read about systemd's init system, and I'm absolutely fine with that parallell upstart etc, but replacing crontab seems weired, it would be the first thing I would put back in if so
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08:28<zachary>Yeah systemd definitely is swallowing up functionality at a rapid place. And I am a bit worried about seeing this project lose some of its Unix ideals
08:28<zachary>s/place/pace
08:28<Kiranos>yea the more I read about it it seems like kernel+systemd = linux base system :)
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08:30<Kiranos>debian should do an article about debian and systemd relationship, what will be implemented as default, which parts will be in repo for replacement options etc, right now I feel there is a lot of missconseptions
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08:32<zachary>It does look like systems will provide more cohesion between Linux distributions. Jordan Hubbard from the FreeBSD recently expressed his desire to create something like systemd for FreeBSD. Which is i…
08:32<zachary>…nteresting considering that many Linux users that want nothing to do with systemd are migrating there.
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08:38<Kiranos>yea I also read that alot of systemds functionality will make it easer for desktop to stabilize for the different dists which is a good thing
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08:41<zachary>Kiranos: agreed, I think Linux as a whole needs to quit looking back.
08:41<Xylon>but what if someone makes a systeme?
08:42<Xylon>or systemf?
08:42<El_Presidente>who knows.. maybe in a few years people will look back and think this is the change that made linux mainstream
08:42<zachary>Xylon: haha
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08:44<zachary>El_Presidente: I think you could be right. Systemd definitely integrates the system together much more
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08:45<Kiranos>in the swtich it will create a lot of frustration however, I want to ship my logs to central logging, why have a middle ware software between kernel and rsyslog which is a potensial source for error, and crontab, what was the main issue with cron to switch that? I dont get these ideas
08:46<El_Presidente>I think oldtimers will are most passionate about regecting it.. system doesnt feel right with all those nostalgic tools that they are so used to
08:47<El_Presidente>remove are
08:47<El_Presidente>replace with be
08:47<zachary>Well Lennart is a narcissistic dick that is hell bent on replacing most of Linux core technologies and tools. That's the only part that worries me
08:47<El_Presidente>lol let me rewrite that..
08:47<koollman>El_Presidente: it would be the same change that makes it not a unix, though. So us unix admin people will go to something else :)
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08:48<koollman>zachary: It is worrying, but not the only worrying thing
08:48<El_Presidente>I think oldtimers will be most passionate about regecting it.. system won't feel right without all those nostalgic 70s/80s tools they are so used to
08:48<El_Presidente>there, now it reads right :)
08:48<koollman>El_Presidente: it's not just about old times
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08:49<El_Presidente>zachary: I wouldn't call him that. I think I get his point of view
08:49<koollman>when you manage systems, you want each part to be as simple as it can be to do the required task, and as loosely coupled as possible to avoid strange interdependant behavior
08:49<zachary>Systemd does abandon the Unix philosophy
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08:49<koollman>it is very much the unix philosophy, and it is not just old for old times' sake
08:49<El_Presidente>this is what you call "scare tissue".. remove all those bits and pieces here and there, put a central solution to all things that "should be done together" in a centralized solution: systemd
08:49<koollman>it is a very useful concept to keep compex systems manageable
08:50<zachary>honestly I think systemd should be a choice.
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08:50<koollman>it is also applied anywhere else. you want modular design, not too much centralized stuff, not too much global shared state
08:50<Kiranos>zachary: well the unix philosify is on a downhill spur with all devops wanting the latest all the time, if you cant support head/master you are hosting a too old systemem, "I want the newest and if there is bugs please why cant you just compile the lastest again from master"
08:50<Kiranos>alot have changed the last few years :D
08:50<koollman>zachary: I do not see why
08:51<koollman>Kiranos: "always the latest" is also made impossible by tightly interdependant or centralized systems :)
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08:52<koollman>(my usual rule is : if you cannot explain the inner workings of a system to a junior employee, it is probably too complex to be maintained and stay available)
08:53<zachary>koollman: I can see that being true
08:53<koollman>simplicity is a very, very important property when you are surrounded by crazy people wanting crazy things. aka customers or managers :)
08:53<El_Presidente>elegant simplicty
08:53<El_Presidente>not many call pull that off tho
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08:54<Kiranos>koollman: yes thats why docker became so popular so if they break shit they can just throw away and redo, better than looking into why it broke they feel :P
08:54<El_Presidente>can*
08:54<koollman>and that's pretty much what you get when you follow unix philosophy (or on the dev side, when you do modular code with no global shared state, and keep it unit testable)
08:54<koollman>Kiranos: it's a way to wrap the crazy complex part and isolate it in a container, which can then run in a sane and simple environment
08:55<Kiranos>yes but still the production code runs till 90% in those crazy complex containers
08:55<koollman>and that's ok
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08:56<koollman>separation of responsibility. if there's a problem, you can verify that the simple part works fine, quickly enough
08:56<zachary>modular software is important. I remember the old days of stringing Unix utils together to build a toolchain, but I think in terms of modern software development modular code is as close as you are go…
08:56<zachary>…ing to get
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08:57<Kiranos>I dont like the philosphy of it all, I'm still at I want it secure and stable, and I dont need lastest software, I can still rely on php 5.4
08:57<koollman>if the base of your production system is also very complex, it becomes quite hard to isolate and reproduce problems or to make sure it is in fact in the production code and notthe base part
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08:57<koollman>which is why you do want simplicity, and not centralized far reaching software as a base for your system
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09:03<zachary>koollman: what have you been considering as an alternative to systemd based distros
09:04<koollman>freebsd, now. I do not know many stable linux distribution. I have to test and know more of them
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09:06<ratcheer>koollman: It is fairly easy to go non-systemd with Debian
09:07<koollman>I haven't tried it yet. I expect it to get harder and harder, so I just reevaluate other options
09:07<zachary>koollman: just to let you know. Some of the FreeBSD Core Team are considering systemd like functionality
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09:16<koollman>zachary: I do not disagree with the functionality. I disagree with the way it is done currently. Makes a sysadmin work harder. Since I prefer to be lazy and work with lazy sysadmins, it is a problem :)
09:16<zachary>:)
09:17<koollman>(as everyone should know, laziness is a virtue in this kind of job)
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09:21<zachary>That's why we write scripts and automate as much as we can :)
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09:34<Kiranos>zachary: and I have to redo a bunch of them now that I cant add cron.d files anymore the same way :P
09:34<Kiranos>which cant have "." in the file name btw :P
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09:37<zachary>Yeah, a lot of projects have this problem. Whether to support legacy methods etc. Or do you just scrap it and start anew :/
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09:38<zachary>Kiranos: may I message you?
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09:57<Kiranos>sure
09:58<Kiranos>zachary:
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10:05<enyc>zachary: or mark everything as deprecated with an SEP field around them?
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10:57<kmacleod>Kiranos, I haven't heard anything about cron being removed/disabled by default. cron and systemd timers are independent of each other.
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11:02<Kiranos>kmacleod: oh ok so they can co-exist, do you know default syslog package? if its systemd journald or rsyslog?
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11:02<Brigo>Kiranos, i think both
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11:03<Kiranos>oh ok so journald will forward logs to rsyslog as default?
11:03<kmacleod>both, iirc, syslog for long term text logs and systemd logs in ram to support the status logs systemctl uses
11:03<Brigo>Kiranos, yes, it does that by default.
11:04<Kiranos>ok nice thanks!
11:04<Kiranos>so we can still export logs from rsyslog as we do today in other wods, systemctl is only for day to day usage
11:04<kmacleod>correct
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11:08<Kiranos>kmacleod: and Brigo: ok thanks for the info, now I have a little more knowledge on how its supposed to work
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11:08<Brigo>Kiranos, yw :)
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11:11<kmacleod>Kiranos, for reference, the thing that's different about timer units is that they support all the job control, security/namespacing, and logging features that other systemd units have.
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11:17<closingin>Hi all. Do someone know the kernel parameter to allow a debian installation from a live usb if the filesystem isn't at the root ?
11:18<closingin>I can boot it live, but can't start the installation
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11:58<centrx>!Hi
11:58<dpkg>hello, centrx
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12:22<la>que hacen
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12:52<Artox>good day everyone; I was hoping for some advice: I got an xorg driver that requires the kernel drm headers. but no package installs them into /usr/include/drm on wheezy, while it *does* on ubuntu
12:52<Artox>I want my package to build the same way for debian and ubuntu
12:52<Artox>have I just missed the actual package, or should I really build against the headers in /usr/src/.../include/drm?
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13:40<asus>esiste
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13:42<sami>hay
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13:47<Yatekii>hey guys, does anyone of you have experience with postgres?
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13:57<gnorf>Can i have grub installed on the same disk as one of my raid1 disks?
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14:00<gnorf>can i run grub-install /dev/sdd even tho sdd is in a raid1 arry?
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14:02<retrospectacus>Yatekii: of course tons of people do
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14:03<retrospectacus>Yatekii: ask your real question. There is also #postgresql on freenode
14:04<Yatekii>retrospectacus: well I installed it but I always get: http://pastebin.com/i4qwkSdy and there is also no /etc/postgresql/9.1/ dir ... jsut /etc/postgresql-common/
14:04<Yatekii>retrospectacus: well I am sure it's debian specific
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14:06<retrospectacus>looks like you installed the client but not the server
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14:07<Yatekii>nah I installes postgresql
14:07<Yatekii>*installed
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14:08<Yatekii>@ retrospectacus
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14:09<retrospectacus>does /usr/lib/postgresql/9.1/ exist?
14:09<retrospectacus>what makes you think /etc/postgresql/9.1 should exist?
14:10<Yatekii>retrospectacus: cause wiki and diverse different guides say so :)
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14:11<Yatekii>retrospectacus: yap it exists
14:11<Yatekii>has bin and lib in it
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14:12<retrospectacus>then postgresql-9.1 is installed. Try starting the service
14:13<retrospectacus>service postgresql start
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14:13<Rcart>Yatekii: what about $ dpkg -l | grep postgresql
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14:14<Yatekii>Rcart: http://pastebin.com/VshUgYEC :)
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14:16<Rcart>so just try to verify that the service is running
14:16<Rcart>you can do it with : # service postgresql status
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14:16<Rcart>and also doing # netstat -antp | grep postgresql
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14:17<Yatekii>Rcart: it's not running, did that yet
14:17<Yatekii>but service postgresql start didnt help either
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14:17<Yatekii>and wiki doesnt state I need to start it manually after the install :S
14:17<Rcart>any error message?
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14:18<Yatekii>no log at all
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14:20<retrospectacus>some of this might help;
14:20<retrospectacus>!postgres
14:20<dpkg>PostgreSQL is a robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of <SQL>. Supports views, stored procedures, triggers and scripting. Packaged in Debian, read /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz ("for the impatient"). http://wiki.debian.org/PostgreSql http://postgresql.org/ #postgresql on irc.freenode.net. See also <postgresql wheezy>, <phppgadmin>, <pg readline>, <postgresql backports>.
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14:20<Rcart>Yatekii: try reconfiguring postgres, #dpkg-reconfigure postgresql
14:21<Yatekii>Rcart: did that yet :)
14:21<Rcart>lol
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14:21<Rcart>Yatekii: is it an option purge it and install it again?
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14:22<Yatekii>Rcart: sure
14:22<Yatekii>with purge u mean remove or?
14:23<Yatekii>I just installed it fresh
14:23<Yatekii>and didnt work from the beginning
14:23<Yatekii>dunno
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14:23<Rcart># apt-get --purge remove postgresql
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14:25<Yatekii>Rcart: did that with no errors
14:25<Yatekii>then installed again
14:25<Yatekii>still, the client doesnt find a socket :S
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14:25<Yatekii>really weird
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14:26<Rcart>is the service running?
14:26<Yatekii>Rcart: nope :(
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14:27<Rcart>can u please paste the output of the installation?
14:28<dbernar1>Hi. What's a good way to keep track of all the different passwords I use?
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14:29<Rcart>Yatekii: after the service is installed, it automatically tries to start the service and that's what I want to see
14:30<Yatekii>Rcart sure, sec
14:30<Yatekii>http://pastebin.com/U3x0jpSA
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14:32*Rcart starts his vm
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14:36<Rcart>Yatekii: ok, do # updatedb && locate postgresql
14:36<Rcart>then post the output
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14:38<Yatekii>hmm wait lemme install locate
14:39<Rcart>np
14:39<abrotman>and then run updatedb ?
14:39<abrotman>dbernar1: there are apps for that
14:39<Rcart>yep
14:39<abrotman>Yatekii: alternately, find / -name "*postgresql*" (as root)
14:40<Rcart>that could also work too
14:41<Yatekii>Rcart: what file are u interested in?
14:41<Yatekii>there is many :D
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14:41<dbernar1>abrotman: Do you use one of them? Are they all trustable?
14:41<abrotman>dbernar1: are the local or web-based?
14:42<abrotman>dbernar1: I use Revelation, it keeps things local, not In The Cloud!
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14:42<dbernar1>abrotman: Thank you for the recommendation. Local is fine.
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14:42<abrotman>dbernar1: it's gnome-ish
14:42<abrotman>gtk-ish probably more accurately
14:42<Rcart>Yatekii: if the output is too long, you could think of using pastebinit. It's a very useful tool while pasting things
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14:43<Yatekii>kk I use wgetpaste
14:43<abrotman>Yatekii: what are you looking for ?
14:43<Rcart>Yatekii: then just paste the full output
14:43<Yatekii>abrotman: dunno, Rcart is trying to fix my postgres
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14:44<trico>my apache server is serving the manual. how do i make it stop that?
14:44<Yatekii>http://pastebin.com/UNgbTKjb
14:44<trico>what option makes it do that?
14:44<abrotman>trico: disable that part of the config
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14:45<trico>when i grep for manual theres nothing. when i grep for Directory, this one isn't listed
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14:46<Rcart>Yatekii: see the you've /var/log/postgresql
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14:49<Yatekii>Rcart: nothing in there^^
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14:49<Yatekii>ohwait
14:49<Rcart>8|
14:50<Yatekii>yeah nothing
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14:51<Rcart>Yatekii: ok, let's do this: # /etc/init.d/postgresql start
14:51<Rcart>then # netstat -antp | grep postgres
14:51<Rcart>Yatekii: please post the output
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14:53<Yatekii>Rcart: zero output from both :(
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14:55<retrospectacus>try service postgresql initdb
14:56<Rcart>Yatekii: I think that you're server is cursed :\
14:56<Rcart>Yatekii: what's the content of /var/lib/postgresql/ ?
14:56<Arizon17>anyone else getting unable to verify when trying to install certain things from the deb repos?
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14:57<Yatekii>retrospectacus: there is no such command :)
14:58<Yatekii>Rcart: I think so too :S
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14:59<Yatekii>Rcart: there is .bash_history in there :D
15:00<Rcart>you're postgresql package is not complete
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15:01<Arizon17>ya i found it, it was the gdb debugger for debian. it could not be authenticated, what's this mean?
15:01<Rcart>you should have the version of the package in that dir, but it isn't
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15:02<Rcart>Yatekii: let's purge it once more, we will install another version of postgres ;D
15:03<Yatekii>Rcart: yeah I dunno whats wrong ... I have been trying alld ay long browsing thewebz
15:03<Yatekii>*the webz
15:03<Yatekii>kk
15:03<Yatekii>kk is purged
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15:03<Yatekii>btw what does purge mor etahn remove?
15:03<Rcart>deletes all config files/dirs
15:03<Yatekii>ah kk
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15:04<Rcart>you're using wheezy right?
15:04<Yatekii>yep
15:05<Rcart>hold a sec
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15:06<Rcart>Yatekii: have you added any additional repo related to postgres to your source.lists file?
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15:08<Yatekii>nah just standard stuff
15:08<Yatekii>I dont like modding after shady tuts ...
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15:11<Rcart>and your server is already updated right?
15:12<Yatekii>u mean aptitude?
15:12<Yatekii>yep
15:12<Yatekii>everything is up2date
15:12<Rcart>k
15:12<Yatekii>btw might be interesting: service --status-all still lists postgres after the purge
15:12<Yatekii>:D
15:13<Rcart>any output of dpkg -l | grep postgres ?
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15:16<Yatekii>Rcart: lol 5 packages
15:16<Yatekii>wtf
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15:17<Yatekii>http://codepad.org/N7lqpnn6
15:17<Yatekii>I purge them too
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15:17<Rcart>omg the are installed :|
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15:17<Rcart>they*
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15:18<Yatekii>ok purged them all
15:18<Yatekii>what do you advise now, Rcart ? :)
15:19<Rcart>i'm trying to see if you can installed an older version
15:19<Rcart>dpkg now shows no postgres right?
15:19<dpkg>Rcart: no idea
15:19<Rcart>lol xD
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15:20<Yatekii>Rcart: aight
15:20<Yatekii>lol :D
15:21<Rcart>Yatekii: the issue is that when you install the package, you have a /va/lib/postgresql/ empty folder
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15:22<Rcart>that means that you don't have the full package installed
15:23<Yatekii>yep
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15:25<Rcart>Yatekii: can you do # apt-get install postgresql=9.0 ?
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15:26<Yatekii>no such version found :(
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15:29<Rcart>Yatekii: ok, you deleted all remaining packages right?
15:30<Yatekii>ya
15:30<Rcart>now try to do # apt-get autoremove
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15:31<Rcart>that should clean up all that was previously installed
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15:36<Yatekii>yep did
15:38-!-mode/#debian [+l 728] by debhelper
15:38<Rcart>what about # updatedb && locate postgres ?
15:38<Rcart>Yatekii: do you see a lot of packages still?
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15:39<Yatekii>Rcart: nah
15:39<Rcart>good
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15:40<Rcart>Yatekii: now take a bible and do # apt-get install postgresql
15:40*Yatekii takes the bible
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15:40<Rcart>and please post the full output
15:40<Yatekii>seems like it worked
15:40<Yatekii>Starting postgre sserver main ok
15:41<Rcart>awesome
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15:42<Arizon17>why does my network manager keep jumping out at me that i put in the wifi password?
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15:42<Arizon17>every 10 minutes?
15:42<Yatekii>Rcart: ur awesome with ur endurance, tks a lot!!!
15:43<Rcart>just remeber this: use apt-get autoremove to clean up your mess =)
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15:47<Yatekii>yep thanks so much!
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15:48<Rcart>Yatekii: you're welcome. I'm leaving
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15:48<Rcart>o/
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16:21<ompaul>zachary: you don't have to. The choice is yours.
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16:35<Yatekii>anyone knows how I get this running on debian: ssl_client_ca_dir ?
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16:37<abrotman>what is that?
16:37<abrotman>a command? a file? a booger?
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16:39<retrospectacus>Yatekii: try getting it to crawl first
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16:39<Yatekii>retrospectacus: how u mean that?
16:39<Yatekii>I need ssl for dovecot.
16:39<Yatekii>no compromisses
16:39<retrospectacus>why didn't you say so?
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16:41<retrospectacus>what I (and abrotman) meant is, ask a good question. We don't want to have to ask you several questions just to find out what you're doing, how it's not working, what you tried, etc. etc.
16:41<retrospectacus>!ask
16:41<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:41<Yatekii>ye
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16:41<Yatekii>well I get this error: doveconf: Fatal: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/01-mail-stack-delivery.conf line 6: Unknown setting: ssl_client_ca_dir
16:42<Yatekii>with dovecot
16:42<Yatekii>and googling states that I need a newer version but 2.1 (which I have) should support it
16:42<Yatekii>and I do not believe the debian version doesnt support ssl
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16:43<abrotman>so get rid of the setting?
16:44<valdyn>Yatekii: why do you think that 2.1 should support it?
16:45<Yatekii>valdyn: I am pretty sure I read that :S
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16:45<valdyn>Yatekii: youre "pretty sure" but your program *knows* that its not supported, who do you trust?
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16:45<Yatekii>if not, can I get it working somehow ... I think it needs access to the root certs ...
16:45<retrospectacus>according to my brief googling, you need v.2.2 to use that setting. It replaced imapc_ssl_ca_dir and
16:45<retrospectacus>pop3c_ssl_ca_dir
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16:46<valdyn>Yatekii: are you trying to use a non-default directory?
16:46<Yatekii>valdyn: nah
16:46<Yatekii>retrospectacus: hmm
16:46<Yatekii>how did u find out what it replaced? oO
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16:46<retrospectacus>eh, some webpage. I closed it
16:47<retrospectacus>something related to release notes of 2.2 I think
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16:48<valdyn>Yatekii: 01-mail-stack-delivery.conf is created by you?
16:48<Yatekii>valdyn: yep
16:49<valdyn>Yatekii: are you trying to let *clients* authenticate via cert?
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16:50<Yatekii>valdyn: I am completely honest: I follow some guide on arstechnica. I was sure this was needed so the server would know which senders are trusted and which ones not
16:50<Yatekii>but now you tell me, I guess it's a client thing
16:50<valdyn>Yatekii: dovecot does not send mail
16:50<lyrias>Servus is this the german Debian channel ?
16:50<Yatekii>I know
16:50<valdyn>Yatekii: so how can it trust senders?
16:50<Yatekii>lyrias: I guess it's not german but dunno
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16:51<Yatekii>valdyn: that is a good question :S
16:51<lyrias>oh sry, what is the german channel ?
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16:51<retrospectacus>!de
16:51<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
16:51<valdyn>Yatekii: what you are doing *may* be useful if your *clients* have their ssl certs
16:51<lyrias>thx
16:51<valdyn>Yatekii: that would be quite unusual (but I guess some corp might use that)
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16:52<Yatekii>valdyn: well I just use it for me right now, as you can clearly see I am not ready to manage a server for anyone and I wouldn't be as vane as to believe that
16:53<valdyn>Yatekii: i would guess most clients dont support this
16:53<valdyn>Yatekii: so just log in via password and use tls/ssl and just set the server side ssl_cert and ssl_key
16:54<retrospectacus>heh
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16:54<Yatekii>valdyn: tks so much!
16:55<Yatekii>so I just ommit that setting :)
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16:56<valdyn>Yatekii: maybe im totally off here, but I think dovecot supports client certs to be complete, and because its easy to implement, not because many (any?) people use it
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16:59<Yatekii>yeah valdyn I am just learning :) had an ftp and gmail up until this day
16:59<Yatekii>but that changes now
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17:17<trico>/etc/apache2/conf.d/apache2-doc < what's the correct way to disable or remove this?
17:17<Brigo>trico, is a file or a link?
17:20<trico>file
17:20<retrospectacus>uninstall apache2-doc
17:22<trico>retrospectacus: thanks, thats what im thinking. this is causing my web server to host the apache manual. not sure why
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17:22<trico>oops should have purged it
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17:26<DarkUranium>hey guys
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17:26<DarkUranium>I'm running debian-stable on my server (for rather ... obvious reasons)
17:26<DarkUranium>but I'd need two packages from testing (or maybe unstable, though I'm sure they also exist in testing)
17:26<DarkUranium>what would be the "optimal" way of doing that?
17:27<Brigo>check backports
17:28<Brigo>or backports yourself
17:28<Brigo>or backports it yourself, i meant
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17:29<DarkUranium>Brigo, yes but, adding wheezy-backports will *not* have every package installed from backports by default?
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17:30<ltl>DarkUranium: no it won't
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17:31<DarkUranium>ltl, okay, good, thanks.
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17:31<DarkUranium>FWIW, I need rsync (because I need protocol version 31) and vsftpd 3.X
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17:33<retrospectacus>backports will be ignored by upgrade, install etc. unless you specify "-t wheezy-backports" when installing something
17:33<DarkUranium>yeah, I'm getting the pkgs held back though; do I have to do a dist-upgrade to install from backports?
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17:33<Guest344>tomaw: try it here
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17:34<retrospectacus>DarkUranium: no
17:34<Guest344>comeon dont be a faggot
17:34<Guest344>it's me. half gay half faggot
17:34<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, the rsync update did absolutely nothing though ...
17:34<DarkUranium>I mean, some stuff installed, but nothing happened
17:34<Guest344>!lol
17:34<dpkg>If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
17:34<Guest344>!hah
17:34<DarkUranium>(rsync is still same version)
17:34<DarkUranium>where could I check which version it is in wheezy-backports?
17:35<Guest344>BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HAHAHAHA BWHAHAHAHAHA BWHAHAHAHA
17:35<Guest344>BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HAHAHAHA BWHAHAHAHAHA BWHAHAHAHA
17:35<Guest344>BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HAHAHAHA BWHAHAHAHAHA BWHAHAHAHA!!
17:35<Guest344>BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HA HAHAHAHA BWHAHAHAHAHA BWHAHAHAHA!!!!!
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17:35<retrospectacus>DarkUranium: "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install rsync" didn't do anything?
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17:35<retrospectacus>Guest344: go away
17:35<ltl>DarkUranium: apt-cache policy rsync
17:35<Guest344>BWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING FUNNYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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17:36<DarkUranium>retrosanus, it did install a bunch of dependencies, but rsync version remains the same -_-
17:36<retrospectacus>judd: v rsync
17:36<judd>Package: rsync on i386 -- squeeze: 3.0.7-2; wheezy: 3.0.9-4; jessie: 3.1.1-2+b1; sid: 3.1.1-2+b1
17:36<retrosanus>DarkUranium: you have you remove them
17:36<retrosanus>to
17:37<retrospectacus>DarkUranium: guess it just upgraded to the latest wheezy version. There is no backport.
17:37<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, there were 0 updates in wheezy itself.ž
17:37<DarkUranium>so it *was* from backports
17:37<DarkUranium>just ... to the same version.
17:37<retrosanus>DarkUranium: let me check a thing
17:37<DarkUranium>okay, so how could I get the jessie one?
17:37<retrosanus>mmhh, mmhhh, yes, mhhh
17:38<retrosanus>well, if my anus is correct, you're gay
17:38-!-InvadeD [~GeNocYdE_@S0106001b21a32b6d.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #debian
17:38<DarkUranium>wait, what
17:38-!-dancus [~dancus@dynamic-adsl-94-34-215-239.clienti.tiscali.it] has joined #debian
17:38<DarkUranium>judd: v vsftpd
17:38<judd>Package: vsftpd on i386 -- squeeze-security: 2.3.2-3+squeeze2; squeeze: 2.3.2-3+squeeze2; wheezy: 2.3.5-3; jessie: 3.0.2-17; sid: 3.0.2-17
17:38<retrospectacus>DarkUranium: type /ignore retrosanus
17:38<retrosanus>DarkUranium: type /ignore retrospectacus
17:38<DarkUranium>I'll also need the jessie vsftpd.
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17:39<retrosanus>well
17:39<retrosanus>somethhing is happening in my anus
17:39<retrosanus>wanna see it?
17:39<rfreeman>retrosanus, nah we're good
17:39<retrosanus>IS A REVOLUTION INSIDE MY ANUS
17:39<retrosanus>fucking mcdonalds
17:39<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, any idea how to get jessie's rsync && vsftpd to wheezy?
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17:40<retrospectacus>DarkUranium: you'll have to upgrade to jessie then, unless you can backport them yourself, which I doubt, because if it were possible they would already be in wheezy-backports, being such popular packages
17:40<retrosanus>well, there is a problem with updating the dependencies
17:40<retrospectacus>judd: checkbackport vsftpd
17:40<retrosanus>you'll get gay
17:40<judd>Backporting package vsftpd in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy-backports, wheezy, virtual.
17:40<retrospectacus>judd: checkbackport rsync
17:40<judd>Backporting package rsync in sid→wheezy/i386: all build-dependencies satisfied using wheezy.
17:40<retrosanus>!ops
17:40<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
17:40<retrosanus>!ops retrospectacus is trolling
17:40<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: retrosanus complains about: retrospectacus is trolling
17:41<retrospectacus>DarkUranium: hm, the robot says it's possible, but it could be wrong
17:41<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell DarkUranium about simple sid backport
17:41<retrosanus>yeah
17:41<retrosanus>it might
17:41<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, AFAIK, the rsync didn't have any major changes, so I'm almost certain at least *that* is doable
17:41<retrosanus>but my anus is never wrong
17:41<retrospectacus>DarkUranium: the robot sent you instructions, give it a shot
17:41<retrosanus>yeah
17:41<retrosanus>a shot
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17:42<retrospectacus>pay very close attention to "not a deb line" :)
17:42<retrosanus>!gay
17:42<dpkg>It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. There is no possible meaning of "gay" that is consistent with your usage (you weren't meaning "happy", now, were you?) that is not offensive. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced.
17:42<retrosanus>!cancer
17:42<retrosanus>!sex
17:42<dpkg>updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install diaphram; mount; fsck; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge diaphram; make clean; sleep
17:42<retrosanus>!nigger
17:42<retrosanus>!faggot
17:42<dpkg>somebody said faggot was not a nice word to use, or a bundle of sticks
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17:43<retrosanus>!dick
17:43<rfreeman>retrosanus, ok it was funny while it lasted now you're just cluttering channel with shit
17:43<retrosanus>rfreeman: my anus says: hah; but my brain says: sorry
17:43<retrosanus>so, bye you guys
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17:43<DarkUranium>my mouth says "kill the bastard with fire"
17:43<DarkUranium>now, where was I.
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17:45<Armand|IRC>Anyone here working on Dev for a BeBox port?
17:46<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, just one question
17:46<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, it's been a while since I've installed *.deb files, how do I do that again?
17:47<ltl>DarkUranium: dpkg -i
17:47<DarkUranium>yay
17:47<DarkUranium>3.1.1, protocol version 31
17:47<DarkUranium>now my backups will work again \o/
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17:48<retrospectacus>DarkUranium: that was fast. You backported them?
17:48<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, as dpkg said
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17:49<retrospectacus>nice :)
17:49<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename
17:49<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, working on vsftpd now
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17:55<DarkUranium>retrospectacus, vsftpd also installed
17:55<DarkUranium>and working.
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17:56<DarkUranium>took a bit longer, had to resolve a certain issue in the build-dep step and manually install a dependency
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17:59<retrospectacus>you can backport dependencies in the same fashion, but it can get out of hand
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18:02<EmleyMoor>Just managed to do what I need to make sshfs really useful to me - got it working through autofs
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18:03<zonzon>Bonsoir, un francais qui pourrait me renseigner ?
18:03<retrospectacus>!fr
18:03<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
18:04<zonzon>ils dorment tous :(
18:04<retrospectacus>well, you can ask here in English
18:04<zonzon>hum
18:04<zonzon>ok
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18:06<zonzon>i use google translate
18:06<zonzon>I have many line in my access.log
18:06<zonzon>for exemple [23/Nov/2014:18:33:37 +0100] "GET http://XXXXX/ HTTP/1.0" 403 389
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18:08<zonzon>For several IP, I allowed access only to my IP using htaccess
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18:09<zonzon>how to block all access except mine ?
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18:10<retrospectacus>zonzon: you will still see entries in access.log that are blocked. 403 is "forbidden"
18:11<retrospectacus>zonzon: you will still see entries in access.log for blocked requests. 403 is "forbidden"
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18:12<zonzon>ok so no security worries ?
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18:16<zonzon>ok i have client denied by server configuration in error.log
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18:18<zonzon>I can create a prison for fail2ban ban Ip?
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18:24<zonzon>i have create rules for this, thx for help
18:24<zonzon>bye
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18:42<joe>hello, how do you update debian jessie xfce
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18:45<Brigo>joe, apt-get update && apt-get upgrae
18:46<joe>o.k. thanks
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18:46<Brigo>joe, yw :)
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18:49<joe>:~$ apt apt-get update
18:49<joe>E: Invalid operation apt-get
18:49<retrospectacus>swing and a miss
18:50<joe>:~$ apt-get update
18:50<joe>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
18:50<joe>E: Unable to lock directory /var/lib/apt/lists/
18:50<joe>E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
18:50<joe>E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are y
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18:50<Brigo>XD
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18:52<retrospectacus>I guess it's 2 strikes and yer out
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18:55<pabs>I get a lot of spam with a particular URL in the body, can I use procmail to discard that?
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19:00<Brigo>pabs, i think so, but i have not used procmail since last century :)
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19:04<pabs>what do you do when you have a lot of a particular kind of spam but spamassassin/etc don't detect it?
19:05<EmleyMoor>I'd see if I could write something in the exim filter to catch it.
19:05<somiaj>how paticular? Can you identify anything common in the headers/content and tell spamassisn to filter it
19:05<somiaj>or yea even filter in your mta
19:06<pabs>this is a shared host, I don't have write access to the MTA configuration
19:07<pabs>nevermind, think I figured it out with procmail
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20:44<lancelot>Hello, how do I find if the correct driver is installed for my ethernet connection?
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20:46<retrospectacus>lancelot: run "lspci -nn" and get the PCIID of your ethernet device. It looks like ABCD:1234 (hex)
20:46<lancelot>ok
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20:49<retrospectacus>lancelot: then say in this channel: judd pciid ABCD:1234 or whatever it is
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20:49<retrospectacus>lancelot: then judd the robot will tell you what driver it needs!
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20:49<retrospectacus>I have to go. Good luck ;)
20:49<lancelot>ok
20:49<lancelot>thanks
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20:56<lancelot>judd pciid 1106:3065
20:56<judd>[1106:3065] is 'VT6102 [Rhine-II]' from 'VIA Technologies, Inc.' with kernel module 'via-rhine' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1106:3065
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22:15<topcyde>I can't figure out how to roll back a package that I installed from backports to the one from stable I tried -t wheezy but it is saying that all the packages are the latest version.
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22:28<lancelot>hello, what simple command can open port 22 on ssh?
22:29<ectospasm>lancelot: service start ssh?
22:29<ectospasm>openssh-server needs to be installed
22:29<lancelot>mmm,let's see
22:31<lancelot>ok, it's not installed, i need to transfer files via ethernet between 2 computers
22:31<lancelot>i don;t want to install anything
22:31<ectospasm>do you have netcat or nc installed?
22:31<lancelot>i'll write netcat in the terminal
22:32<lancelot>it outputs : cmd line:
22:32<lancelot>it's a live cd
22:32<lancelot>by the way
22:33<ectospasm>yeah, you'll need to google how to use netcat/nc, you'll have to run it on both ends
22:33<lancelot>ok...
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22:38<spencer>Hi
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22:38<spencer>more like help, do I need to authenticate myself?
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22:46<lancelot>authenticate in what?
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