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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-12-03

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00:35<uko>hi
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01:28<sleser>is it worth changing screen and keyboard for i7 laptop lanovu z580 ?
01:29<sleser>screen cracked , keyboard typing B it shows bt typing t it shows tb
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01:29<sleser>tryed numlock off with another keyboard and that mater dosnt fix like . google solved isues show
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01:30<sleser>keyboard definately is good with screen. not sure if i worth replacing for something like an i7
01:30<sleser>no good i meant.
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02:31<pingvin>sleser I think that is no much. May be 150$ +-50
02:31<sleser>yeh
02:31<sleser>worth rite ?
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02:41<pingvin>sleser I think, that you need exactly know haw much is it, and then decide.
02:41<sleser>i dont know the cost i got it for free
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02:41<sleser>lable shows i7 how good is it ?
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02:52<pingvin>sleser do you trolling me?
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03:28<sleser>no im serius
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03:38<nasty>what is this
03:39<nasty>where is infosec
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04:15<lancelot>Hello, what's the recommended swap size for a 64bit install?
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04:16<jaccob>I saw this "dig" command on a tutorial but I don't have it on my system and I can't find it in the repo
04:16<jaccob>oh dnsutils
04:16<OdyX>!swap
04:16<dpkg>Swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM (say, less than 2GB), you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a <swap file> and use that. See also <am i swapping>. http://wiki.debian.org/Swap http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Linux
04:17<OdyX>lancelot: ^ At least once the RAM is useful if you want to be able to suspend to disk
04:17<lancelot>I don't understand, odyx
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04:18<lancelot>First, is it necessary to do a swap partition on a 64bit install?
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04:18<lancelot>And second, what size it is yes?
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04:20<lancelot>ok
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04:55<jaccob>anyone know of nice tutorial for Email Server on Debian 7?
04:56<jaccob>I like this one but it is for dovecot 1.x, http://cnedelcu.blogspot.ca/2014/01/how-to-set-up-simple-mail-server-debian-linux.html
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04:58<jaccob>This one looks good I think: https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-and-mysql
04:59<peter1139>Presumably not many users?
05:00<peter1139>Basically all you need to do is install an MTA, and an imap/pop3 server, and that's it.
05:00<peter1139>Oh, anda configure the MTA for the domain,
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05:13<jaccob>peter1139, true, thx
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05:18<peter1139>With more users and multiple domains you will want to use virtual stuff in postfix.
05:18<peter1139>I have scripts that built static tables for postfix from a database, instead of postfix querying the database all the time.
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05:49<ixi>is there any difference between running "apt-get update" and "apt update" ?
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05:51<koollman>ixi: -bash: apt: command not found
05:52<jm_>it's in testing only
05:53<Brigo>ixi, no
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05:54<ixi>thanks
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05:55<Brigo>ixi, yw
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05:57<blackjumper>hi
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06:06<blackjumper>hi
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06:12<planetmaker>blackjumper, if you've got a question, just ask :)
06:12<planetmaker>!ask
06:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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06:39<puntano>hola
06:39<puntano>alguien x aqui?
06:40<jm_>!es
06:40<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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06:41<puntano>hi
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07:36<onryo>why the hate for systemd? Lot of DD ie leaving because of it?
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07:37<jm_>who has left because of systemd?
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07:38<onryo>Joey Hess , Russ Allbery, Ian Jackson to name a few jm
07:38<madduck>they have not left because of systemd
07:38<jm_>that's not because of systemd
07:38<OdyX>also, only Joey Left.
07:38<El_Presidente>I think there is much more to the picture than meets the eye
07:38<madduck>jm_: noone that i know, really
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07:38<onryo>Been away from for a while so I am not really up to date.
07:39<onryo>Is this about a freedom to choose init systems?
07:39*peter1139 cries due to having to administrate an oracle linux machine :(
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07:41<El_Presidente>onryo: I think its about an unclear future and forced dependencies. And of course purists who demand the adherence to Unix philosophy.. anyways this has been discussed countless times I doubt people are interested in talking it over again
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07:43<onryo>El_Presidente, wow.. Joey has been a DD since .. what 96-97-ish. Gonna pop some popcorn and read up on what I have missed. Just got back from a year of tracking around Asia.
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07:44<El_Presidente>onryo: make that two popcorns, will be a long night my friend :)
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07:44<onryo>haha kk
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08:11<eyesOpen>systemd is for convenience and homogeneity? yea sure .. but there is a catch
08:11<eyesOpen>http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm
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08:12<eyesOpen>open your eyes folks.. PLEASE
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09:04<Orthodox>having problem with updating from security repo
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09:04<Orthodox>any existing issues with it?
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09:06<rfreeman>hi Orthodox
09:07<rfreeman>Orthodox, works fine for me. Maybe try other mirror in sources.list
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09:12<rfreeman>Orthodox, try one other mirror, if that fails too, paste us your error messages in some paste, like this:
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09:12<rfreeman>!paste
09:12<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
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09:48<EmleyMoor>Got installers for both wheezy and jessie, 32 and 64, on my boot stick now. (had to take grml off for now due to problems)
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10:44<awal>How to view in console videos stored in home? Or any program that can open them in terminal?
10:44<awal>some application like fbi for pictures
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10:46<snebel>to play them?
10:47<snebel>i think you can play them with vlc from the terminal but then a window will be open to play the video, this is what you're looking for?
10:47<snebel>so you finally need a graphical interface
10:48<snebel>if not i don't understand whats your need
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10:53<newtognu>hello
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10:55<newtognu>how can i install unetbootin in debian
10:56<theocrite>apt install unetbootin
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10:56<mtn>newtognu: or use the package manager
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10:58<newtognu>not work
10:59<mtn>newtognu: what might "not work" mean?
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10:59<newtognu>i cant install unetbootin
10:59<EmleyMoor>newtognu: Why not? Does it just sit there doing nothing?
10:59<mtn>heh
10:59<nardev>hey guys, is backports repos only available for wheezy (once jessie becomes stable that the backports will be available for it too)?
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11:00<newtognu>yeah
11:00<mtn>nardev: sooner or later, yes.
11:00<EmleyMoor>nardev: backports are maintained only against stable, whichever codename it has at the time.
11:01<nardev>EmleyMoor, mtn thank you
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11:02<EmleyMoor>newtognu: Is this a case of "don't know how to do it"?
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11:02<newtognu>it’s not in synaptic
11:03<mtn>newtognu: which version of debian?
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11:04<mtn>newtognu: turn on non-free and contrib: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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11:05<newtognu>thanke you 4 good info
11:06<cato>Hi, I have a debian jessie with kde running on a lenovo yoga 2. With an almost empty desktop I have a load of 1.0. the only things that show up frequently in top are X, kwin and plasma-desktop.
11:07<cato>has anyone a hint what could be broken or where to have a look?
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11:07<mtn>cato: which video card/chip and driver?
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11:09<cato>mtn: intel driver for intel hd graphics 4400
11:09<mtn>cato: that won't be the problem then, unless you have hybrid graphics, meaning another video card as well.
11:10<cato>no, it is the only graphics card
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11:17<awal>snebel, sorry , I was in phone. I know that about vlc, but what I'm looking is play them inside the terminal itself
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11:18<snebel>never hear about a software able to do this
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11:19<awal>snebel, no problem. thanks anyway
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11:19<snebel>i guess if you want to play a video with a good quality you need some kind of graphical interfaz or to create it from terminal
11:20<snebel>but not embedded on itself
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11:24<awal>I have to reboot now my machine. but it seems that 'terminology' can do something similar. I'll check that later
11:24<awal>snebel, if curious http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about/terminology
11:24<awal>ciao
11:25<snebel>wow :-)
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11:36<ovan>How do I move a directory and all of its contents while maintining sym links and permissions as well as hidden files and directories? "cp -pr <file>" is what I would typically use however, that command doesn't preserver hidden files and directories or symbolic links.
11:36<peter1139>cp -a
11:37<peter1139>Well, to copy. Maybe just mv to move :p
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11:42<snebel>other alternative depending on what you want to do could be rsync that give more a lot of control
11:42<ovan>peter1139: It seems that mv doesn't copy the hidden files either. Unless there are some flags that I am missing to make that possible.
11:42<ovan>snebel: I'll try rsync next.
11:42<snebel>but justo to move, like perter1139 said => mv
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11:53<snebel>i just tried to create a folder with a hidden file "preceded by ."
11:53<snebel>then move it and move it perfectly with the file
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11:55<snebel>http://pastebin.com/LyYWkTGC
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12:29<notAnonymous_>hello can debian save the datas from a usb key opening
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12:29<retrospectacus>yes
12:29<notAnonymous_>like does microsoft with windows
12:30<retrospectacus>no idea. Explain what that is "like" please
12:30<notAnonymous_>sorry i mean automatically and unofficially like windows
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12:31<retrospectacus>explain without using that W word... we are not familiar with how it works
12:31<notAnonymous_>i am speaking about private life protecting
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12:32<jmlongo>you mean if the data stored in an USB drive can be hidden?
12:32<retrospectacus>encrypted?
12:32<notAnonymous_>microsoft takes our private datas by internet on windows
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12:33<notAnonymous_>yes jmlongo
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12:33<Apollo>notAnonymous_: lolwat?
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12:34<notAnonymous_>Apollo is mh private life protected by legal spywares on debian else if i go on internet ?
12:35<Apollo>whaaaaa?
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12:37<notAnonymous_>Apollo windows can read a open usb key opened and save it on the microsoft servor
12:37<ksxg>hall
12:37<ovan>If I renice a process to have a higher priority or lower nice value why isn't that process at the top? There are no other processes that have that low of a value? Are some processes more inherently important and prioritized over others.
12:38<notAnonymous_>do you mean all
12:38<Apollo>notAnonymous_: you're funny
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12:38<ovan>notAnonymous_: Yes.
12:38<ksxg>能看懂中文吗
12:38<notAnonymous_>because i look stupid or paranoiac
12:38<ovan>All of the other processes have a nice value of 0
12:39<ovan>And I set one process to -10
12:39<ksxg>有CHINA
12:39<ksxg>ME CHINA
12:39<ovan>Hooray! They invented pinyin!
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12:39<ksxg>我用的是五笔
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12:39<notAnonymous_>yes or no i have not a lot of time
12:39<ksxg>不是拼音
12:40<ksxg>呵呵
12:40<jmlongo>notAnonymous_: I think Debian does not save your data and sends it anywhere
12:40<notAnonymous_>thanks 0
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12:40<ksxg>我英文很烂
12:40<jmlongo>no problem!
12:41<ixi>!cn
12:41<dpkg>如果您想要得到中文的協助,請加入伺服器上的 #debian-zh (irc.oftc.net) 頻道,加入方法為在輸入框中輸入 "/server irc.oftc.net" 和 "/join #debian-zh" (不要加引號),謝謝您的合作!
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12:41<ksxg>谢谢你、
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12:57<cqx>hi all
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12:58<retrospectacus>hi
12:58<jmlongo>hey!
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13:01<jmatos>Is anyone aware of recent breakage in Iceweasel's h264 <video> support via GStreamer?
13:01<jmatos>In testing, GNU/Linux amd64
13:02<jmlongo>hmm... you may want to take that to #debian-next
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13:04<jmlongo>as that is the room for testing support ;)
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13:04<jmatos>jmlongo: on it; thank you :)
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13:08<jmlongo>anytime! :)
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13:25<juaniitaa>olaa
13:25<juaniitaa>kien anda por ahii
13:26<retrospectacus>!es-social
13:26<dpkg>Este canal es de ayuda con ordenadores en Ingles. Si no necesitas ayuda con tu ordenador por favor ingresa al canal social de #debian-es con /join #debian-es-cachondeo. Tus amigos probablemente ya esten ahi.
13:26<juaniitaa>hello
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13:26<juaniitaa>your namee?
13:27<juaniitaa>my name is pilar
13:27<retrospectacus>!chat
13:27<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #moocows on irc.oftc.net or #defocus on irc.freenode.net.
13:27<juaniitaa>bay bay
13:27<juaniitaa>folling
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13:33<HFSPLUS>HFSPLUS HAS ARRIVED!
13:33<HFSPLUS>hi jelly
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14:22<bensen123>hi
14:22<bensen123>got a new question
14:22<bensen123>about xubuntu kernel crash
14:22<trico>!ubuntu
14:22<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
14:23<bensen123>ok thank you
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15:31<jegor>Dziekuje Panowie :)
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15:46<lancelot>Hello, I think I messed some screen conf, for example, the system settings doesn't start, should I reinstall Gnome ? How do I do it?
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16:15<lancelot>How do I reinstall gnome?
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16:16<blast007>lancelot: are you having a specific issue with Gnome?
16:17<retrospectacus>reinstalling gnome is not usually a good solution to anything
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16:18<lancelot>yeah, I did some wiki.debian recommended tweak for enabling 3d support, as my install was in gnome-fallback, and afterwards, system-settings doens't start
16:18<lancelot>because
16:18<lancelot>when i restarted, i had no gui
16:18<lancelot>so i deleted the previous fglx file i created
16:19<awal>Fluxbox is really stable, lightweight and powerfull as openbox is. So for which technical reasons openbox is chosen by many debian based distros and other gnu/linux flavours?
16:20<lancelot>Should I reinstall Debian?
16:20<retrospectacus>awal: because "open" is a slightly better word than "flux". Do you have a Debian question?
16:20<somiaj>awal: not really a debian question, you may have to ask the other based on debian distros why they chose openbox over fluxbox, in the end I find it personal choice/experience.
16:20<retrospectacus>lancelot: so your question is actually "how do I get 3d support working?" ?
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16:20<somiaj>I think they should all be suing fvwm. (:
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16:20<lancelot>Yeah, it started all...
16:21<lancelot>To have normal gnome instead of fallback gnome
16:21<awal>retrospectacus, somiaj, Ok! gorget it :)
16:21<somiaj>lancelot: most likley a reinstall won't fix your issue, sounds like you just need to go configure things correctly (maybe figure out how to undo anything you did)
16:22<lancelot>too difficult for my knowledge...
16:22<awal>forget it ^:)
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16:23<lancelot>judd pciid 1002:9712
16:23<judd>[1002:9712] is 'RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9712 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module.
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16:23<retrospectacus>lancelot: were you following / did you follow http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary ?
16:24<lancelot>yes
16:24<lancelot>I tried this : AMD Catalyst Legacy 13.1
16:24<lancelot>config
16:24<lancelot>then, when i rebooted, no gui
16:25<lancelot>so i deleted the fglrx file
16:25<retrospectacus>!radeon
16:25<dpkg>Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). The radeon open source display driver is packaged for Debian as xserver-xorg-video-radeon, optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Also ask me about <radeon firmware>, <radeon audio>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo http://x.org/wiki/radeon #radeon on irc.freenode.net. For the proprietary driver, see <fglrx>.
16:25<lancelot>and rebooted, and i can't access system settings...
16:25<lancelot>judd pciid 1002:9712
16:25<judd>[1002:9712] is 'RS880M [Mobility Radeon HD 4225/4250]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in wheezy. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1002:9712 http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary and the out-of-tree 'fglrx', 'snd-hda-intel' module.
16:25<retrospectacus>lancelot: please type a complete sentence before pressing enter
16:26<lancelot>Is it correct for that hardware to configure it with the AMD catalyst legacy 13.1 configuration?
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16:31<trico>possibly. i believe amd now considers everything prior to the hd5000 series legacy
16:32<somiaj>that sounds about right, though the radeon free driver is actually comparable in lots of cases to fglrx and works fine on legacy cards.
16:32<lancelot>well, I tried that configuration and it didn't work...
16:33<somiaj>lancelot: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file or any files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
16:33<somiaj>lancelot: did you try to install the dirver directally from amd.com -- this could break you system and make recovery a bit harder
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16:34<lancelot>I deleted the file in xorg.conf. I didn't go to amd.com, I just followed the exact instructions in the debian wiki.
16:35<somiaj>so you have no xorg.conf file and no additional files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
16:35<somiaj>can you paste the logfile /var/log/Xorg.0.log at paste.debian.net
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16:36<lancelot>it's another computer, I can try...I know I just don't have a file in /etch/X11/xorg.conf.d, but I don't know somewhere else...
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16:38<somiaj>!pastebinit
16:38<dpkg>pastebinit is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" users, you must "pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net" or configure pastebinit to use something other than pastebin.com. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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16:39<somiaj>you can use that to paste a file from the command line so you don't have to copy the file over from that other machine
16:39<lancelot>just a moment...
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16:41<lancelot>got it
16:42<lancelot>http://paste.debian.net/134804
16:45<somiaj>okay looks like you need to install linux-firmware-nonfree from non-free sources for the firmware for 3d support
16:45<somiaj>als you may need to set nomodset kernel parameter to ensure the radeon kernel kms driver gets loaded
16:45<lancelot>wow
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16:46<lancelot>Any tutorial on that?
16:46<towo`>somiaj, nomodeset disables kms
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16:46<somiaj>towo`: well then it maybe be set and he needs to disable it, I always forget if it is needed anymore or not
16:46<towo`>no
16:46<towo`>radeon depends on KMS
16:47<towo`>and radeon nedds firmware-linux-nonfree
16:47<lancelot>Shall I just do apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree?
16:47<somiaj>either way the log file says it is failing to load the right driver
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16:47<somiaj>[ 19.012] (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] RADEONDRIGetVersion failed to open the DRM -- maybe he just needs to add himself to the right group too
16:47<towo`>that's of missing firmware
16:48<somiaj>lancelot: yes, you may need to add non-free to your sources.list if you have not already
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16:48<somiaj>lancelot: and seems towo` is a bit more familar with this than I am. The firmware whould give you 3d support. (:
16:49<lancelot>ok, where should I check for the line to be included in the sources.list?
16:49<somiaj>run that comand if it fails, then follow this
16:49<somiaj>!non-free
16:49<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
16:49<lancelot>ok
16:49<somiaj>!non-free sources
16:49<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «aptitude update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
16:49<retrospectacus>you probably have non-free if you installed fglrx already
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16:50<lancelot>I says unable to locate package linux firmware nonfree
16:50<lancelot>so I have to edit the sources.list
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16:51<lancelot>I don't know what lines to add...
16:51<retrospectacus>the package is called firmware-linux-nonfree
16:51<retrospectacus>no line; just a word. You probably already have it.
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16:52<retrospectacus>the robot explained it precisely; you shouldn't need to ask "what lines". We have robots for a reason
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16:53<lancelot>Sorry.
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17:03<lancelot>too difficult, reinstalling debian
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17:06<retrospectacus>lancelot: what's difficult? You just have to type "apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree"
17:06<lancelot>too late now
17:06<lancelot>i did that, and it said unable to locate package
17:06<lancelot>I asked for what I should add to the sources list,
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17:06<lancelot>and no one said it
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17:07<retrospectacus>the dpkg robot told you: 13:49 < dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then etc. etc.
17:08<SynrGy>*facepalm*
17:08-!-mode/#debian [+l 717] by debhelper
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17:08<retrospectacus>but I guess reading is too much work
17:08<lancelot>I am an ignorant.
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17:08<SynrGy>not a valid excuse
17:08<SynrGy>you stop being ignorant by reading things.
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17:09<lancelot>I did not understand.
17:09<lancelot>Thanks anyway.
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17:09<retrospectacus>then ask for clarification.
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17:09<lancelot>You said I should understand what the robot said.
17:10<retrospectacus>it is very well written; as good as anyone could possibly explain.
17:10<SynrGy>it's fine to not understand, but you have to be specific about what you don't understand.
17:10<retrospectacus>but if you didn't, you could ask for more help
17:10<SynrGy>"what does it mean when it says _____?"
17:11<lancelot>It's ok, you did your best.Thanks.
17:11<retrospectacus>You should also try, at least as hard as us
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17:13<retrospectacus>we can't do it for you- you need to read what we say. And we don't mind clarifying. But we don't like repeating :)
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17:13<abrotman>don't think ignorant can be a noun ...
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17:23<debconq>hi! i have backported libasound2 libasound2-dev and alsa-base from testing. now i broke the sound and i can't install the default packages. how can i install the default packages again. please help me!
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17:25<debconq>if i use "sudo apt-get install libasound2" it tells me this https://paste.debian.net/134805/
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17:26<debconq>anyone? do i have to reinstall whole system?
17:26<El_Presidente>not sure
17:26<El_Presidente>remove them first?
17:26<debconq>El_Presidente, they can't be removesd
17:26<debconq>i can't remove them either
17:27<El_Presidente>apt-get install -f
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17:27<El_Presidente>gpkg --configure -a
17:27<El_Presidente>dpkg*
17:28<debconq>El_Presidente, apt-get install -f gives me whole package list says that there is no need them anymore. (whole necessary packages)
17:28<debconq>El_Presidente, could you eleborate how can i use dpkg --configure -a?
17:29<El_Presidente>this is the command "dpkg --configure -a" , it sovles dpkg dependency errors, however given your problem I'm not sure it will make a difference
17:29<El_Presidente>so your system is running amd64 but you have i386 architecture installed right?
17:30<debconq>El_Presidente, right
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17:31<debconq>El_Presidente, dpkg --configure -a gives me this https://paste.debian.net/134811/
17:31<El_Presidente>so you need that i386 ??
17:31<debconq>please someone help me! i don't want to reinstall again!
17:32<debconq>El_Presidente, because of wine
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17:32<debconq>El_Presidente, you say removing wine would solve the issue?
17:33<El_Presidente>try removing the i386 version only
17:33<El_Presidente>then run dpkg --configure -a again
17:34<debconq>oh no!
17:34<El_Presidente>oh noes!
17:34<El_Presidente>what happend
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17:34<debconq>El_Presidente, https://paste.debian.net/134812/
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17:35<El_Presidente>sudo apt-get remove libasound2:i386
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17:36<debconq>El_Presidente, it gives me error again
17:36<debconq>libasound2 : Depends: libasound2-data (>= 1.0.28-1) but it is not installable
17:36<debconq> libwine-alsa:i386 : Depends: libasound2:i386 (>= 1.0.16)
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17:37<El_Presidente>sorry buddy out of my scope.. I'm a new user! good luck with ur issues
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17:38<debconq>anyone?
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17:39<mtn>debconq: when you say you backported it, what does that mean? who did you do it?
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17:40<debconq>mtn, all i wanted to install the new alsa-base and alsa-utils. so i succesfully backported and installed alsa-base by modifying the dependency version of kmod.
17:40<retrospectacus>why?
17:40<mtn>debconq: how did you do your "backport"?
17:42<debconq>but i alsa-utils gave me error says it reqired higher version libasound-dev to compile alsa-utils. so i downloaded libasound-dev source (alsa-lib) and compiled. it created multiple binaries along with (libasound2 libasound2-dev) and i installed them and ican get sound anymore
17:42<debconq>and i can't remove them
17:43<debconq>mtn, backported them with standard procedure
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17:43<debconq>apt-get source libasound2-dev, debuild -us -uc
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17:44<El_Presidente>standard procedure: apt-get -t wheezy-backports install <package name>
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17:45<debconq>El_Presidente, but these packages wasn't there. so i decided to backport myself
17:45<debconq>so i understand why they are not there now
17:45<debconq>and i shouldn't have done that lol
17:46<debconq>is it possible to reconfigure whole desktop without loosing any configuration on current system?
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17:48<El_Presidente>usually when I need to install on my laptop or so, I copy my home directory and a few others and my two desktops would be identical.. not the right answer to your question but this is how I do it
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17:48<El_Presidente>dpkg: what to backup
17:48<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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17:50<debconq>any debian expert here?
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17:54<jcrowgey>hi debian room, I'm having some issues with wicd and network-manager for my wifi interface. i can successfully connect using iwconfig and wpa_supplicant but not with wicd or network-manager
17:55<jcrowgey>strangely, wicd says "bad password" but I know the password is correct because it's the one I use with wpa_supplicant to connect.
17:55<jcrowgey>anyone want to talk turkey about this?
17:56<jcrowgey>[crickets] ... lol
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17:56<retrospectacus>https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse and linked pages
17:56<jcrowgey>retrospectacus: indeed I have studied those pages and I'm only here because my issue is not addressed in the docs.
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17:58<jcrowgey>another clue (perhaps) is that when I try to use wicd to connect I get a warning each time which says "Source Id XXXX was not found when attempting to remove it"
17:58<jcrowgey>retrospectacus: if you've got anything more detailed I'm all ears.
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17:59<retrospectacus>nope, sorry. I've used them all and they work fine :)
17:59<jcrowgey>retrospectacus: perhaps I should clarify that at the system level, my wifi is not broken at all, i can connect to any network I choose using wpa_supplicant and/or iwconfig as approrpiate. I even have scripts to help me do this. However, I'd like to be able to use one of these nice applets.
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18:01<jcrowgey>especially strange is the fact that wicd says dbus.String(u'bad_pass') when I can use the same pass to connect using wpa_supplicant
18:02<jcrowgey>I've tried this using both WPA passphrase and using the psk hashed version---also verified this is the same psk that I got from wpa_passphrase on the command line (which I use to connect when using wpa_supplicant)
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18:04<jcrowgey>just finding this page, my issue looks very similar to the OP here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=189215
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18:05<jcrowgey>seems that person simply abandoned trying to use wicd. maybe I should try network-manager again, but then i don't have a working applet either since i don't use gnmoe
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18:05<jcrowgey>that is, can i use the nm applet on lxde?
18:07<malcolm>yes
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18:08<jcrowgey>malcolm: I'm gonna try it then. removing wicd and adding network-manager and network-manager-gnome
18:08<jcrowgey>gonna log in and out so maybe i'll talk to you guys again soon.
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18:50<twb>Let's see if I remember how to do this
18:50<twb>dpkg: bug rm flightgear
18:50<dpkg>twb: are you smoking crack?
18:50<twb>Dammit
18:51<twb>I wrote it down last time but I accidentally lost the note when I rebased my dotfiles :-/
18:51<twb>What I want to know is "why is flightgear not in wheezy?"
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18:53<retrospectacus>I think that only works for testing
18:53<retrospectacus>dpkg, why is flightgear not in testing?
18:53<dpkg>flightgear is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=flightgear
18:55<twb>Ah that's for sid migration tho
18:55<twb>I'm talking about when something was explicitly removed from a stable release
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18:59<retrospectacus>yeah... I know you can find out why, but I can't remember how. I don't think it's a bot command though.
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19:04<twb>There was definitely an IRC command to find it
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21:50<voltagex>hi, I'm trying to preseed and getting errors - http://i.imgur.com/bF3B9MB.png config is at https://gist.github.com/voltagex/4be4e6a80b1c30149b4a
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22:01<zachary2>I see from the screenshot you're installing testing. Try #debian-next its a channel for testing/unstable
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22:04<zachary2>I believe debian-installer has a channel at #debian-boot also
22:04<centrx>I don't believe it
22:05<zachary2>what?
22:05<centrx>It's a #debian miracle!
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22:06<twb>voltagex: internode is routinely broken. Try http.debian.net
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22:08<zachary>ah, that explains a lot
22:08<twb>Looks OK atm, but IMO it's not worth trying to debug other problems until you've eliminated that possibility
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22:20<voltagex>twb: I can manually install from there, this error only happens when preseeding
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22:25<voltagex>wargh, got it
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22:26<voltagex>I wonder if "invalid proxy causes nonsensical error" is a good bug report
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22:35<Haiku>It has been a while / what happened while I was out / anything new?
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22:37<twb>Not enough references to autumn
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23:01<centrx>What the heck are you / Do you know what you do say / The iceweasels
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23:29<zachary>sorry about the network issues
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