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00:48<SavKobani>hi
00:49<SavKobani>i tried installing xdm and xfce4 , but now when i startup the box it just goes to console login and when i type startx it looks like it did before without xdm
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00:55<jm_>why xdm?
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00:58<twb>SavKobani: what investigation have you already done?
00:58<SavKobani>i removed xdm and xfce4 and it fixed the login issue
00:59<SavKobani>now i try to do apt-get install xfce4 , and that is all i need to switch to xfce instead of gnome?
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00:59<twb>It depends.
00:59<jm_>depends, I recommend you use lightdm if you want a GUI login
01:00<twb>Assuming you're using xdm or startx, your .xsession will win. If you have no .xsession, you probably want to use update-alternatives to choose the default X DE or WM.
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01:00<twb>jm_: OOC, why? Because it has consolekit integration?
01:01<tuor>hi, I try to zip some files. How can I set the directory to store the zip file? I tried so: 7z a -tzip -o/tmp/ test ./*.c
01:02<jm_>twb: yeah, apparently it's even more important for jessie so better to start now than to try and debug problems later
01:02<twb>jm_: nod; sigh. BTDT last week
01:02<tuor>But the test.zip still in my directory.. In /tmp/ is nothing.
01:02<jm_>tuor: why not specify /tmp/test.7z?
01:02<jm_>and ./*.c is the same as *.c
01:03<twb>tuor: does it have to be 7z ? I can't help with that, but I can help with Unixy stuff like .tar.xz and .cpio.xz
01:03<SavKobani>i installed xfce4 and nothing changed, it still shows what looks like gnome
01:03<twb>jm_: ./* is probably historical defensive programming against files like ./-f in path
01:03<SavKobani>i have gdm3 and i have xfce4 installed, gdm3 is picking gnome by default, how do i change that?
01:03<twb>jm_: but in GNU the better answer would be to use --, e.g. "rm -- *.c"
01:04<jm_>SavKobani: check if gdm offers which session to start and change it there
01:04<twb>SavKobani: sudo update-alternative --config x-session-manager
01:04<tuor>jm_, ah why not. Yes. ^^
01:04<twb>SavKobani: or you can choose it per-user from within GNOME if you have a mouse
01:04<twb>*from within gdm, I mean
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01:05<tuor>twb, It have to be a compression format, that a windows can open with out any special tool. (for scool)
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01:06<twb>I didn't think Windows shipped with support for .7z, but whatever, good luck :-)
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01:06<SavKobani>thanks for your hep, i appreciate it
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01:08<SavKobani>i have a problem with my xfce now, when i open a terminal it is just a blank black scree without anyway to input
01:09<twb>Probably your .profile is screwed up or something. Does the issue affect a freshly-created user account?
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01:10<SavKobani>oh i see
01:10<SavKobani>xterm works but terminal emulator doesn't
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01:12<twb>That is... interesting
01:12<twb>But I'm too lazy to help you debug it, so just use xterm ;-)
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01:13<SavKobani>oh i googled it
01:13<SavKobani>it said because the colors were both black, so i changed the colors
01:13<twb>haha
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01:14<twb>I would not have caught that for AGES
01:14<ntk>lo all, trying to set up a debian jessie install on a drive with deboostrap, with a LUKS-encrypted root partition. I think I’m mostly there, except that I did install cryptsetup, but update-initramfs -u -k all, still generates an initramfs without cryptsetup.
01:14<SavKobani>do you use kde or xfce or what twb?
01:15<twb>nope
01:15<SavKobani>what session manager do you use?
01:15<twb>emacs
01:15<SavKobani>so you don't use gui?
01:16<twb>Correct. GUIs are for WIMPs
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01:16<ntk>got fstab and crypttab set up appropriately too, if I chroot in and run the commands by hand it’s ok, but obviously it won’t find the root device booting in grub without cryptsetup in the initrd
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01:17<twb>ntk: there is code to automate cryptsetup of root fs (only!) in ramdisk, but it's pretty ugly
01:17<ntk>:(
01:17<twb>Have you updated the ramdisk since crypttab was written?
01:17<ntk>yep. I can try again to be sure.
01:18<twb>zcat /boot/initrd.img... | cpio -t | grep crypt
01:18<ntk>in fact I am positive. I just ran it again, and lsinitramfs on it shows it’s still not in there
01:18<ntk>lsinitramfs should be simpler, yes?
01:18<twb>Never heard of it :-)
01:18<ntk>yeah, it’s not in there
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01:18<twb>OK then you have to try to understand /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/cryptsetup or so
01:19<ntk>shouldn’t /sbin/cryptsetup be statically linked? because ldd shows it’s got all kinds of crud that I don’t think would reasonably be present in initrd
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01:19<twb>Doesn't matter
01:19<twb>initramfs has helper functions to find all the needed libs and copy those in, too
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01:20<ntk>do you mean hooks/cryptroot ?
01:20<twb>Probably
01:20<ntk>I have no hooks/cryptsetup, is that bad?
01:20<ntk>k
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01:20<twb>I'm going from memory from a couple weeks ago
01:20<ntk>this is freaking annoying, I’d just use the installer but this box refuses to boot from anything but hdd!
01:21<ntk>tried running the installer from the hdd but thought this would be as easy, ha.
01:21<twb>You can put the installer on the hdd
01:21<twb>Do you have wired networking?
01:21<ntk>yes
01:21<tuor>twb with 7z I can use zip. Do you know other tools, that can compress in "zip format"?
01:21<twb>If so just dd the netboot installer's .img hdd version onto the HDD
01:22<twb>tuor: sorry, no, I don't know about windows
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01:22<tuor>twb, ah ok.
01:22<ntk>once it boots, I can blow away the partitions and that’ll be ok, with the netboot installer?
01:22<tuor>It, worked now. :) for shure, normaly I use gzip..
01:22<twb>Yep because the netboot installer only is a kernel and ramdisk and bootloader for same
01:23<ntk>i thought i should be able to do that, I tried a variation but i think I used the wrong image or something and failed to boot into it.
01:23<twb>So once they're in memory you can kill their source filesystem
01:23<ntk>yay i think I’ll just scrap what I’ve got and start over. that sounds much easier
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01:24<twb>If you are REALLY lucky like me, your laptop's firmware includes a copy of that already so you can boot the Debian installer directly from firmware :-)
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01:25<ntk>so, just fdisk one partition, make it bootable, dd the netboot .img onto it, good to go? can you give me a URL to the exact image so I don’t screw up again, apologies but I’m running on three cylinders again and I don’t want to iterate any more than I have to at this point. i want ot point it to install unstable / jessie
01:25<twb>ntk: don't partition at all
01:25<ntk>sorry, testing
01:25<ntk>ok
01:26<ntk>just /dev/sda or whatever. that’s what i did wrong then
01:26<twb>Otherwise you'll need to bless the partition and install an MBR
01:26<twb>Lemme find the exact file you should use
01:26<ntk>that makes a lot more sense
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01:26<ntk>was futilely trying to convince grub to boot into the image off another drive
01:26<twb>http://cdimage.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
01:27<twb>You are booting off HDD so you want hd-media/boot.img.gz
01:27<twb>Then zcat boot.img.gz >/dev/sdz or so and reboot and hope
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01:28<ntk>great, i already grabbed that one, I just installed it the wrong place. I should be good to go at this point. if I screw it up again, I’ll relocate the drive rather than bother chat again
01:28<ntk>thanks
01:28<twb>No worries
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01:37<ntk>no dice, the damn thing doesn’t want to boot off the drive after I do that.
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01:38<ntk>:( moving backwards again. I think I’ll sleep on it.
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01:41<jm_>why can it only boot from hdd?
01:41<jm_>tuor: zip can do that obviously
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01:42<ntk>optical drive seems to be shot, and the bios is being shitty about USB
01:42<ntk>it does seem to be consistent about recognizing the SD slots in BIOS, so I suppose I could try putting it on an SD card and booting that way
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01:44<Shennia>Hello
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01:45<ntk>hi
01:48<stemid>hey how do I force a package to install its files? I have one package from a third party apt repo that lists an init.d script and a defaults file with dpkg -L but I can't get the files to be installed. I tried removing my old copies of those two files, removing the package, installing it again. I tried with --force-overwrite option too.
01:48<stemid>I don't want to purge because it might remove the packages datadir
01:48<weasel>stemid: easiest is to purge the package and re-install it.
01:48<stemid>:D
01:48<weasel>ok.
01:48<stemid>ok I'll backup the datadir
01:48<weasel>the /etc/init.d file is a conffile,
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01:48<weasel>and you probably removed it at one point.
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01:49<weasel>removal also is configuration, so dpkg tries to not change that
01:49<stemid>I had my own installed when I first installed the package, same with /etc/default file. since that first install I can't get the package to install its own copies.
01:49<jm_>ntk: it's odd that it won't boot usig boot.img.gz though
01:50<ntk>it won’t, and it won’t boot off the damn sd card either with mini.iso
01:50<weasel>you can try reinstalling the package using dpkg -i with --force-confask
01:50<ntk>only thing I’ve been able to do successfully is manually partition, debootstrap, chroot, install grub.
01:50<weasel>(or you can open the package in say mc, and copy the init script out manually)
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01:51<ntk>it skips right past it as if the drive wasn’t bootable, after I zcatted boot.img.gz onto it
01:52<ntk>anyway, I’m getting the last piece of my new build tomorrow, I’ll just stick it in there and hopefully everything will just work and I can get rid of this thing
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01:53<stemid>thanks weasel
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02:04<tuor>jm_, Ah yes. Nice. thx
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02:12<tuor>jm_, and it's a very easy tool. :)
02:12<tuor>Just installed it.
02:13<jm_>tuor: pretty much all arcivers are easy to use
02:13<jm_>archivers too
02:14<tuor>jm_, Ah ok.
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02:16<praveen>sdf
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02:21<lancelot>When I press the windows key to enable search, it only search on the internet, not for files in my home directory.What can I do?
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02:30<praveen_>hi
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02:33<praveen>hb
02:33<praveen>hvh
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03:48<xubuntu>mmm
03:48<xubuntu_>1
03:50<xubuntu_>#include <semaphore.h>
03:50<xubuntu_>#include <pthread.h>
03:50<xubuntu_>#include <stdlib.h>
03:50<xubuntu_>#include <stdio.h>
03:50<xubuntu_>#define N 5
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03:50<xubuntu_> int p = *((int *)arg);
03:50<xubuntu_> /* Samo prva nit odmah stampa svoju rec, ostale moraju da sacekaju prethodnu */
03:50<xubuntu_> if (p > 0)
03:50<xubuntu_> sem_wait(&sems[p-1]);
03:50<xubuntu_> printf("%s", reci[p]);
03:50<xubuntu_> if (p < 4)
03:51<xubuntu_> sem_post(&sems[p]);
03:51<xubuntu_> sleep(3);
03:51<xubuntu_>}
03:51<xubuntu_>int main()
03:51<xubuntu_>{
03:51<xubuntu_> int i;
03:51<xubuntu_> /* Niz ulaznih argumenata niti */
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03:51<xubuntu_> int args[N];
03:51<xubuntu_> /* Niz identifikatora niti */
03:51<xubuntu_> pthread_t niti[N];
03:51<xubuntu_> /* Inicijalizacija semafora. */
03:51<xubuntu_> for(i=0 ; i<N-1 ; i++)
03:51<xubuntu_> sem_init(&sems[i], 0, 0);
03:51<xubuntu_> /* Kreiramo niti */
03:51<xubuntu_> for(i=0 ; i<N ; i++)
03:51<xubuntu_> {
03:51<jalcine>stop
03:51<xubuntu_> args[i] = i;
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03:51<xubuntu_> pthread_create(&niti[i], NULL, (void*)stampanje, (void*)&args[i]);
03:51<xubuntu_> }
03:51<jalcine> /msg dpkg paste
03:51<xubuntu_> /* Main funkcija ceka da se sve niti zavrse */
03:51<xubuntu_> for(i=0 ; i<N ; i++)
03:51<xubuntu_> pthread_join(niti[i], NULL);
03:51<xubuntu_> return 0;
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03:51<jalcine>thanks jm_
03:51<@jm_>please stop
03:52<jalcine>my bnc was going loco
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05:09<aborrero>hi there
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05:34<tuor>Is there an option like "-x" for bash, but for python? I want to se exactly what it is doing on which file..
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05:36<tuor>For bash I do it so: "bash -x myscript" and now I want to do the similar with python.
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05:42<jm_>maybe try irc channels dpkg mentions (/msg dpkg python)
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05:59<tuor>jm_, A beginners guid, I'll start with that and then ask in there channel. thx.
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06:01<jm_>tuor: I only know how to do it for perl, but I know python has a built in debugger so that's also an option
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06:13<voltagex>hi, http://pkg-wine.alioth.debian.org/ mentions debian/maint/build which doesn't exist in the checkout and git-buildpackage results in gbp:error: upstream/1.7.29 is not a valid treeish even when I have imported a newer version
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06:17<jm_>why not build it using standard tools ,i.e. debuild or git-buildpackage?
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06:17<voltagex>because it's throwing every error under the sun and I was trying to follow the instructions
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06:34<excalibas>Hello, I just installed debian on my laptop and when it starts the screen is multipied by 6 with some glitch. I have a nvidia card. Can someone help please?
06:35<jm_>tried using nvidia driver?
06:36<excalibas>jm_, I just installed. It is very confusing to use like that. Is it easy to install the driver?
06:36<excalibas>I mean I just installed debian. no driver yet
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06:37<jm_>!nvidia
06:37<dpkg>Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia dkms>, <nvidia legacy>; installing this directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia on irc.freenode.net.
06:37<jm_>follow the wiki, it should be simple (I recommend to use versions from backports, both the nvidia driver and the kernel)
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06:38<excalibas>thanks jm_ I'll try that
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06:39<jm_>no problem
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07:02<excalibas>oh, now x doesnt start :(
07:03<jm_>!x logfile
07:03<jm_>dpkg, x logfile
07:03<jm_>bleh, look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
07:04<excalibas>I just get a black screen with a blinking dash
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07:05<excalibas>22.298] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA GPU at PCI:1:0:0. Please
07:05<excalibas>[ 22.298] (EE) NVIDIA(0): check your system's kernel log for additional error
07:05<excalibas>[ 22.298] (EE) NVIDIA(0): messages and refer to Chapter 8: Common Problems in the
07:05<excalibas>[ 22.298] (EE) NVIDIA(0): README for additional information.
07:05<excalibas>[ 22.298] (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA graphics device!
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07:06<sakax>how do I enable the new Firefox Hello feature in iceweasel 34 ??
07:06<jm_>what's a hello feature?
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07:08<excalibas>http://paste.debian.net/134879/
07:08<aborrero>is there a specific channel for lintian?
07:08<sakax>jm: found it, they seems to roll it out gradually... you can force it by setting false flag for loop.throttled in about:config and restart iceweasel
07:09<sakax>it's a chat feature without need to register accounts
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07:09<jm_>ahh webrtc, I found the page about it
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07:10<jm_>excalibas: did you reboot to ensure nouveau driver is not used? did you check what kernel driver says? dmesg command
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07:11<excalibas>jm_, I rebooted.
07:12<excalibas>jm_, dmesg - http://paste.debian.net/134881/
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07:14<BADASS>ANYONE WANT DICK PICS
07:14<theocrite>On a server I have 8G RAM (DDR2) installed. I can see the 8G in the BIOS but not in Debian : free -m or /proc/cpuinfo display 3.3k. I can see 4x2024G when I query dmidecode -t 17. I can't understand what's wrong. Any idea?
07:15<jm_>theocrite: 32bit or 64bit debian install?
07:15<BADASS>NO IDEA MATE I GOT DICK PICS THO
07:15<tuor>jm_, ah taths a good point. thx
07:15<jm_>BADASS: please stop
07:15<BADASS>YEA I AGREE
07:15<ixi>theocrite 3.3k ?
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07:15<BADASS>BUT WHY
07:15<sakax>!mods BADASS needs some help
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07:17<@jm_>excalibas: is this an optimus setup?
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07:17<theocrite>jm_: it's and amd64 install. And yeah I don't understand why it's not 4G if there is any limitation (either by using half the RAM or being limited by 32 bits)
07:17<theocrite>I mean ixi ^
07:17<theocrite>I'm very puzzled.
07:18<theocrite>Same result under system rescue cd (or Windows 7 for that matter).
07:18<ixi>theocrite pastebin some stuff for us. 1) free -m 2) cat /proc/meminfo 3) uname -a 4) cat /etc/apt/sources.list
07:18<excalibas>jm_, What is optimus? I don't think so
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07:19<jm_>excalibas: http://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
07:19<theocrite>ixi: Ok. I'll do that when I'll have access to the computer (it's shut down atm).
07:19<sakax>Ooo... Firefox Hello requires camera and microphone... pure text based messaging not possible. what a disappointment!
07:19<jm_>theocrite: probably look at dmesg output and memory mappings
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07:20<theocrite>Oh and another weird thing: If I unplug 2 DIMMS, I still have the same amount of memory. If I put the dimms back and unplug the 2 others, same again. So it's not a DIMM or a mobo slot issue.
07:20<excalibas>jm_, I dont think I have this: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: NVIDIA Corporation G86 [GeForce 8600M GS] [10de:0425] (rev a1)
07:20<theocrite>jm_: I wasn't able to find anything useful in dmesg, but maybe I'm just not seeing whant I should.
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07:21<jm_>theocrite: if you do lspci lists vga twice or somesuch
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07:22<jm_>VGA controller
07:22<jm_>excalibas: so which version of kernel and driver is this now?
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07:22<jm_>theocrite: that was not for you, sorry
07:22<theocrite>jm_: hu ?
07:23<theocrite>Oh ok :)
07:23<jm_>excalibas: if you have optimus lspci will list VGA controller twice IIRC
07:23<jm_>but you x log suggests that's not the case so it is indeed probably not that
07:24<excalibas>jm_, I dunno, I did what it said on he wiki. wheezy-backports I guess
07:24<jm_>excalibas: do not guess, verify
07:24<excalibas>jm_, Just one controller and old laptop. No optimus. How can I veryfy?
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07:25<jm_>excalibas: uname -r; lsmod; dpkg -l|grep nvidia
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07:26<excalibas>jm_, : http://paste.debian.net/134887/
07:26<jm_>excalibas: that's one out of three
07:27<excalibas>jm_, should I try another one?
07:27<jm_>excalibas: I gave you 3 commands, you ran only 1
07:28<excalibas>jm_, oh, sorry
07:28<excalibas>3.2.0-4-686-pae
07:29<excalibas>lsmod: http://paste.debian.net/134888/
07:29<jm_>8600 GS is listed as supported by this version, I would try with a newer kernel too, else trying with an older nvidia driver is also an option
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07:30<excalibas>jm_, How can I try a newer kernel?
07:31<jm_>!bpo kernel
07:31<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "wheezy-backports" repository. Ask me about <wheezy-backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t wheezy-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
07:31<jm_>excalibas: ^^^^^^
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07:33<excalibas>thanks jm_ :)
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07:34<jm_>excalibas: hopefully this will help
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07:40<tuor>how can I merge a snapshot, with out deleting the snapshot at the end? I have changed something on my logical volume and now I want to go back to the state of the snap shot. But I don't want to recreate a snapshot every time og merge the logical volume.
07:41<excalibas>jm_, X didnt start. But at least I get a graphical login :) Do I have to install the drivers again?
07:41<excalibas>I mean I get a text login
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07:43<jm_>excalibas: if you have a graphical login X server is running
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07:44<excalibas>jm_, No, X didnt start. I mean I get a text login. Before only a blinking cursor
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07:45<jm_>excalibas: try checking the same things again
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07:48<excalibas>dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/134894/
07:49<jm_>is nvidia driver built/loaded at all?
07:50<excalibas>dpkg -l|grep nvidia: http://paste.debian.net/134895/
07:50<dpkg>excalibas: I give up, what is it?
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07:50<jm_>no need for dpkg -l output, it should not change
07:51<excalibas>lsmod: http://paste.debian.net/134896/
07:51<excalibas>3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae
07:51<jm_>find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/|grep nvidia
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07:51<jm_>it probably hasn't been built
07:52<excalibas>/lib/modules/3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/nvidia
07:52<excalibas>/lib/modules/3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae/kernel/drivers/net/ethernet/nvidia/forcedeth.ko
07:53<jm_>install this package first: linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,')
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07:55<excalibas>linux-headers-686-pae is already the newest version.
07:56<jm_>do you have linux-headers-3.16-0.bpo.3... installed? dpkg -l | grpe linux-headers
07:56<jm_>grep
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07:58<excalibas>http://paste.debian.net/134899/
07:58<jm_>you don't so install it
07:59<jm_>similar command to the one you used for installing the kernel, just change the package name (/msg dpkg bpo kernel)
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08:01<excalibas>change linux-image to linux-headers?
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08:02<jm_>yeah
08:02<excalibas>rebooting
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08:04<jm_>no
08:04<excalibas>no :(
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08:05<jm_>dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-kernel-dkms
08:05<jm_>and check if nvidia module now exists
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08:07<excalibas>find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/|grep nvidia?
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08:08<jm_>yes (no need to paste it, just check for yourself)
08:08<excalibas>Its there. 3 things now (before there were 2)
08:08<excalibas>rebooting
08:08<jm_>load id: modprobe nvidia-current
08:08<jm_>then check dmesg
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08:10<excalibas>ERROR: could not insert 'nvidia_current': Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
08:11<excalibas>dmesg http://paste.debian.net/134901/
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08:12<jm_>http://scotte.github.io/2014/09/nvidia-driver-on-backported-kernel/
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08:21<excalibas>fingers crossed :)
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08:23<excalibas>too easy :( Now I am back to the black screen with the blinking cursor
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08:26<jm_>so probably the same vbios message in dmesg
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08:27<excalibas>http://paste.debian.net/134903/
08:28<jm_>yup, for that I don't know what to do - I would definitely try older nvidia driver (you could try with the one from stable, or even sid/experimental, but you'd have to backport it yourself)
08:28<jm_>however now I have to run, sorry
08:29<jm_>!ssb
08:29<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
08:29<jm_>that's how to backport it
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08:30<jm_>anyway, good luck, hopefully someone else can help you now, i'll be back tomorrow
08:30<jm_>(you could also try nouveau again with 3.16 maybe)
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08:43<mekki>Debian friends: I'm editor of a special issue of the open access journal Technology Innovation Management Review (TIMReview). The theme is open source strategy. I'd be very interested in receiving contributions from the Debian community. Details: https://opensource.com/business/14/12/interview-mekki-macaulay-guest-editor-tim-review
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08:44<nonyab>how can I use video as screen saver in the lxle distribution of linux
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08:45<excalibas>jm:
08:46<excalibas>jm_ Thanks a lot for your pacience. I give up for now. Will try later
08:46<babilen>mekki: You would want #debian-offtopic for that
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09:47<nonyab>how do i find out which UBUNTU VERSION I have
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09:49<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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11:46<Yatekii>hey guys, when I have postfix installed, there is /etc/postfix/ if I do aptitude purge remove postfix, does it delete the entire directory or just the default config files, or mine in it as well?
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12:06<dandersson>Yatekii: My understanding is that if you have put _extra_ files in the directory, the directory will not be removed (and neither your custom file), but all the files that are part of the package will, even if you have modified them.
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12:06<dandersson>So if you have modified the standard config files (as opposed to created new files with new names) and want to keep them, either do not purge, or back them up before the purge.
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12:08<Yatekii>ok, tks a lot!
12:08<Yatekii>dandersson: can u tell me: http://codepad.org/zWH6jOFy why is it trying to start dovecot instead of purging it oO
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12:11<dandersson>Yatekii: When APT tries to remove the dovecot plugins, it seems to try to reload dovecot to reflect the new configuration. However, it cannot reload, perhaps since you have already manually removed parts of the package, and thus exits with an error. You could try to first reinstall the packages to get the package system up to speed again.
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12:11<Yatekii>dandersson: i didnt remove anything
12:12<Yatekii>lolwtf
12:12<Yatekii>removing it worked
12:12<Yatekii>purging not
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12:13<dandersson>Yatekii: If you can reproduce it in some way, it might be good to report the behavior as a bug. Even if the main configuration is malformed, I would say that it should be possible to purge the packages without error.
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12:14<Yatekii>dandersson: yeah
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12:14<Yatekii>but dunno how to reproduce it ..
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12:15<Yatekii>dandersson:
12:15<dandersson>Yatekii: Then it will not do much use in a bug report :-) . You could try to reinstall the packages, changing the config files in the same way as you had done this time, and try to purge.
12:15<Yatekii>dpkg: warning: while removing dovecot-core, directory '/etc/dovecot/conf.d' not empty so not removed
12:15<Yatekii>dpkg: warning: while removing dovecot-core, directory '/etc/dovecot/private' not empty so not removed
12:15<dpkg>yatekii: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
12:15<Yatekii>weird as well
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12:18<Yatekii>since it's just the default files in it
12:18<dandersson>It sounds like the configuration has become malformed in some way. Is the dovecot service running when you try to purge it?
12:18<Yatekii>nope
12:18<dandersson>There can also be a permission problem in the directories.
12:19<Yatekii>I'm root
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12:20<dandersson>Yeah, removal could always be forced, but if the permissions are unexpected, APT might back off. Not sure how common that would be though, or what could have changed permissions/owners.
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12:21<dandersson>If you want to dig deeper, you could move the current configuration directories away from their current location so the system is "dovecot clean", then reinstall to see if there are any obvious differences.
12:21<dandersson>Is it an old dovecot installation?
12:22<blast007>Yatekii: likely why it was failing is because you were removing dovecot-sieve, yet your configuration still referenced the sieve protocol
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12:26<archpt>is apache broken in testing?
12:27<blast007>archpt: testing support is in #debian-next
12:27<archpt>thanks
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12:32<Yatekii>blast007: then it should remove dovecot-core first if not its done bad
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13:50<dotut>how do i get my debian jessie install to boot directly to busybox?
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13:58<rkc>sherrifs: Heads up. I will be landing https://codereview.chromium.org/771683004/ manually via bypass-hooks. The presubmit step is broken (should be fixed with https://codereview.chromium.org/777923002/, assuming that is the right fix), so the only way for me to land the CL is by bypassing the presubmit checks. I'll verify that all other bots are passing.
13:59<rkc>sheriffs: Heads up. I will be landing https://codereview.chromium.org/771683004/ manually via bypass-hooks. The presubmit step is broken (should be fixed with https://codereview.chromium.org/777923002/, assuming that is the right fix), so the only way for me to land the CL is by bypassing the presubmit checks. I'll verify that all other bots are passing.
13:59<rkc>(wrong spelling of sheriff)
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14:33<lord-carlos>Hi, may I ask questions about debian UEFI installation in here or is there a better channel?
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14:34<retrospectacus>here is fine, lord-carlos
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14:35<lord-carlos>Uh, it might have solved itself. Give me a sec.
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14:36*lord-carlos has used debian for years and now fails to do a simple installation /o\
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14:45<lord-carlos>ah yes. Works now. It looks like i somehoe tried to install debian in UEFI mode .. must have overlooked the question the first time
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15:00<canaima>hola
15:00<canaima>como estas
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15:21<yukini>hey, i have an issue with my fn special keys
15:22<yukini>the ones for the brightness works only after a suspend and reactivate
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15:22<yukini>the others don't work
15:22<yukini>and after a suspend-reactivate every keycode is changed
15:23<yukini>in the live cd everything is fine, but once installed debian i have the issue
15:23<yukini>(i'm talking about debian testing)
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15:23<yukini>and not only debian gives me this problem
15:23<yukini>but debian stable is fine
15:24<yukini>anyone can help me?
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15:27<roniz>Does Debian have a minetest server
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15:30<Brigo>roniz, there is that package, at least in jessie. I use it :)
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15:31<roniz>Brigo, so do I :) What I was wondering is does the Debian community host a server?
15:32<Brigo>roniz, no, afaik.
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15:32<Brigo>but roniz , i did not try to play on line. so ...
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15:34<roniz>if i had the hosting equipment I would be on it but alas, no server
15:36<Brigo>roniz, are you serious? check this: http://fnalerts.sigqu.it/fuslvz.html :D
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15:37<roniz>what is this Brigo?
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15:37<roniz>you need a multi core processor for a minetest server and at least 2 gig of RAM
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15:38<Brigo>roniz, it is in the web, just read it :)
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15:57<aiko>hype theme: i would like to look into the openstack, ganeti, ceph, clusterfs topic. do you have an advice where to start on a wheezy platform?
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15:58<acu>hello guys - what is the development channel for jessie
15:58<aiko>is there a clear path where i should start or do i have the total choice
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16:02<abrotman>acu: /topic
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16:04<SergioAD>Hello I have Neptune and I have instaled Steam Neptune; i have this error Error: You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:
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16:05<retrospectacus>what is Neptune
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16:07<SergioAD>A debian based Linux distribution featuring KDE and
16:07<SergioAD>being one of the most eye candy KDEs
16:07<retrospectacus>only Debian Wheezy is supported here. You could try: /msg dpkg steam
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16:13<SergioAD>the problem is that I have installed Steam and the libraries but it says me that the 32 bit libraries are missing
16:13<mtn_>SergioAD: your distro is not supported in this channel
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16:14<roniz_>SergioAD, I would say it is a graphics problem
16:14<roniz_>You have a nvidea card?
16:14<SergioAD>this channel comes by default on the distro's Konversation
16:14<mtn_>SergioAD: it is not our fault your distro puts the wrong info into it.
16:15<SergioAD>LOL I see
16:15<mtn_>SergioAD: only real debian is supported in the debian channels
16:15<SergioAD>Ok
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16:15<roniz_>SergioAD, he has a point
16:15<roniz_>I would go to your distros forums or email the maintainers
16:16<SergioAD>Ok
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16:16<roniz_>but you can always look at the arch wiki for a vague idea on what to do
16:16<SergioAD>Ok thank you
16:17<roniz_>but just remember that it is a different distro
16:17<roniz_>you wont be able to copy and paste solutions
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17:20<MasterPiece>How can I aware of updated package?
17:21<MasterPiece>( In order to use in debian change tracker )
17:21<Yatekii>Guys anyone here knowing what this means with postfix: " unused parameter: smtpd_use_auth_only=yes"
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19:26<luckyuser>хи
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20:09<hays>anyone getting a signing error on packages
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20:09<hays>GPG error: http://http.debian.net wheezy-backports Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy)
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20:12<ep>hello
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20:21<Brigo>hays, first: are your system clock sysced?
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20:25<hays>i believe so, but it seems to have worked after about a 15 minute wait
20:27<hays>i appear to be synced to debian ntp pools
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20:39<Brigo>hays, please check the time with date command, it use to be the problem. :)
20:40<hays>Thu Dec 4 20:40:17 EST 2014
20:41<Brigo>hays, and that is correct? 20:40 EST ??
20:41<hays>yep
20:41<Brigo>what is EST?
20:41<hays>eastern standard time
20:41<hays>new york
20:41<Brigo>ah, sorry, i thought that E was for European :D
20:42<hays>we can be international Fri Dec 5 01:42:14 UTC 2014
20:42<Brigo>ok the next think that could fail is the server, you can try another one, just for test.
20:43<hays>well the problem appears to have cleared itself up
20:43<Brigo>hays, ah, oh, then great :D
20:44<hays>thanks for the tips
20:45<Brigo>hays, yw :)
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