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00:56<sleser>guys if the computer is 64 bit . whitch is best to use 64 bit live cd or 32 bit ?
00:57<sleser>in terms so the computer runs fast and all that
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00:58<topcyde>64
00:58<rmorelli>sleser, 64bit
00:58<jm_>the speed difference mostly depends on the task in question and is usually pretty small - there are further options too: 32bit release with 64bit kernel and x32 but that's not quite ready yet -- I would recommend 32bit if you want to use flash crap
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00:58<jm_>x64_32 that is
00:59<sleser>flash dont work on 64 ?
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01:00<sleser>one cant live without flash today . its like worth watching a flash instead of downloading and unraring and saving a file
01:00<jm_>it's horrible in my experience, so much so, that I installed a 32bit chroot just for that, but since chromium also has flash i should get rid of that
01:00<sleser>how much ram will a 64 bit recodnise ?
01:00<sleser>will it recodnise 8 gig ?
01:01<jm_>normally all of it
01:01<sleser>will a 32 bit recodnise 8 gig ?
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01:02<topcyde>are you asking about an 8G file size?
01:02<sleser>i dont know what that is
01:02<sleser>8 gig of ram
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01:02<jm_>with the right kernel options it will
01:03<jm_>(build time options)
01:03<sleser>ill try the 64 bit debian on this
01:03<sleser>experience it on my own to to see your experience on a video flash
01:03<topcyde>ram size is dependent on chip architecture not its word size
01:04<sleser>im linux new so . like for exemple back in the days in my windows it would only recodnise sertein amount depending on its bits
01:04<sleser>so
01:04<sleser>for linux im only new dosnt mater how long im using linux still i feel like i dont know crap
01:05<topcyde>ram isn't about software, it's a hardware level issue
01:05<sleser>hm ok lemy ask you like this
01:05<topcyde>there are 32bit chipsets that can run 16+G of ram
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01:06<sleser>lenova z 580 has 4 gig ram runs windows 7 . now i want to buy 4 gig ram turn it in to 8 gig and wipe win and pute debian will it be a nice experience ? its a i7 2.90 mhz
01:06<sleser>and win inside is 64 bit
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01:07<sleser>i got this for free so not sure how o ld is this prosesor and how fast it is or will run linux on
01:07<sleser>worth or not not sure?
01:07<topcyde>why wipe? dual boot instead
01:07<sleser>dont need windows cant aford services
01:07<sleser>too many bugs atach to it like magnit
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01:09<sleser>id rather go linux vm windows
01:09<sleser>just for a gps
01:09<topcyde>you don't NEED the ram upgrade, but My opinion is you can never have enough. do you know what chipset itis running?
01:09<sleser>mostly i need win for gps
01:09<sleser>no clue
01:09<sleser>i think lenovo makes ibm
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01:09<jm_>for gps?
01:10<sleser>for my tomtom gps
01:10<topcyde>lenovo owns ibm
01:10<sleser>oh i didnt know
01:10<sleser>ibm use to be independent ones back years
01:10<jm_>ahh updates
01:10<sleser>jm i wish they made tomtom tools for linux
01:10<sleser>the unit is linux only software update not
01:10<jm_>they didn't buy ibm, they only bought some of their manufacturing facilities etc.
01:11<jm_>yeah same with garmin
01:11<sleser>vm win is fine
01:11<sleser>and linux for the bace
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01:11<sleser>does all my works
01:11<topcyde>jm_: correct, they bought their computer manufacturing
01:11<sleser>ibm is good
01:11<sleser>not sure about lenovo
01:12<sleser>i liked ibm back then when gateway and all others existed
01:12<sleser>ibm was what id go for
01:13<sleser>alot of manufactures today
01:13<sleser>the best ones who only sell their computers from their factory no from bestbuy
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01:13<sleser>or the deeler
01:14<sleser>thats not for me ofcaurse .. im good with what ever
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01:16<topcyde>sleser: to give a direct answer to your question, yes your desired setup will work fine.
01:16<topcyde>also if your tomtom can output NMEA 0183 you can use the gpsman package in debian
01:16<sleser>wanted to make sure before i should buy ram
01:17<sleser>so there is a way to update a tomtom 930 with debian ?
01:17<sleser>930 go
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01:21<sleser>topcyde ive read alot of google infos people post i didnt find solution to this tomtom update for linux
01:21<sleser>i got the vm idia from there
01:22<sleser>it does the job so far . i doubt itll for too long because of t he brouser . and to have brouser working good with java and all i think win has to be purchased
01:23<sleser>for now so far it works . just with brouser and dosnt needs java and others. so it works
01:25<topcyde>so are you needing to load daily updates to the tomtom or something?
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01:26<sleser>in new york trafic is crazy
01:26<sleser>update is so . it can tell me what rout is closed
01:26<sleser>and on time
01:26<sleser>whitch street closed rools . on like wrong way can go wrong way
01:26<sleser>almost everything
01:27<topcyde>is it a file format issue or a driver issue?
01:27<topcyde>the not woorking with linux I mean
01:27<sleser>i have no clue you figure . ill tell you wine wont run the tomtom software
01:28<sleser>if i were linux genius id find a way
01:28<topcyde>that's the beauty of Linux everything is open, so you can find a way
01:28<sleser>yeh so far there isnt a way
01:29<sleser>update comes only if their app is running
01:29<sleser>wine wont do it
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01:29<sleser>if your a linux very experienced and programer grab a exe for tomtom site
01:30<sleser>chek how it works
01:30<ntk>lo, anyone know a quick way to downgrade xorg in jessie to 1.15? apparently catalyst is still broken with 1.16
01:31<ntk>tried pinning it in snapshot. but it had expired
01:31<sleser>i b back later
01:31<sleser>thanks for help folks
01:32<topcyde>welcome
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01:33<jm_>for jessie ask in #debian-next
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01:35<ntk>thx i’ll try there
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01:37<jm_>it's strange that fglrx-driver would be in testing if that's the case though
01:38<ntk>I probably should have started with that
01:38<ntk>I think it’s way behind the one from AMD, and it looked like it might not have good dual graphics support
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01:39<ntk>at this point any working video with acceleration would be a huge improvement, even if I could get that from the free driver
01:39<ntk>acceleration wasn’t working in wheezy out of the box, but I didn’t poke it too much before upgrading directly to jessie
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01:43<Shennia>list
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02:00<raz>is this the place I can ask for help on a driver issue? or another channel
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02:01<jm_>which driver?
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02:03<raz>nvidia-driver, I get a mile long list of unmet dependencies that say they're uninstallable
02:03<raz>on jessie
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02:04<jm_>for jessie ask in #debian-next and put the output of this on a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste):
02:04<jm_>!bat
02:04<dpkg>In order for us to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, aptitude or dselect we need the following information: The complete output of your apt-get/aptitude/dselect run (including the command you used); the output from apt-cache policy PKG1 PKG2...; for the relevant packages and "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
02:04<raz>okay, thanks
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02:06<raz>ha, figured it out anyway, just needed to add non-free to all my sources
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03:26<lancelot>Hello, is apt-get update the same as software update? I mean, I when get the software updates are available.
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03:33<birch>lancelot, there are multiple ways to get your updates. Common ways are aptitude, apt-get, synaptic package manager, and the software updates are available notice you are referring to. why do you ask?
03:34<lancelot>I don't know if when I get the "software updates are available" message in the tray icon, it is referring to the same updates I do when I do apt-get update.
03:35<jm_>apt-get update doesn't update packages, it only downloads information about them
03:35<lancelot>Still don't understand.
03:35<birch>lancelot, they are the same updates. to use apt-get, you need to first use the command "apt-get update" and then after use the command "apt-get upgrade" upgrade installs the updates, and the update command updates the packages so you know what's the latest.
03:36<birch>so, as root, use "apt-get update" and when it's done, use "apt-get upgrade"
03:36<lancelot>They are the same updates.Thanks for the direct answer.
03:36<birch>np
03:36<lancelot>One last thing.
03:37<lancelot>I thought apt-get upgrade was only used to upgrade the OS to the latest version...
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03:37<birch>no, that is a different command
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03:37<birch>apt-get upgrade installs your regular updates
03:37<lancelot>ok, good to know
03:37<lancelot>great, thanks again
03:37<birch>apt-get update only updates your packages, it doesn't install anything.
03:37<birch>np
03:38<birch>lancelot, http://askubuntu.com/questions/94102/what-is-the-difference-between-apt-get-update-and-upgrade
03:38<lancelot>so giving, birch
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04:44<Piggie>did a 32to64 migration and everyting worked except aptitude is missing "Installed" "Not Installed" sections
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04:47<Yatekii>Guys does anyone know how to postfix? Because I get this error: fatal: open lock file pid/inet.submission: cannot create file exclusively: No such file or directory and I do not find what I'm doing wrong ...
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04:56<jm_>is that when following instructions from http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix ?
04:57<Yatekii>jm_: nope
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05:00<babilen>Yatekii: So, what have you done? What did you expect to happen and what did happen instead?
05:00<jm_>and is this with debian packages?
05:01<Yatekii>babilen: I followed some guide https://www.linode.com/docs/email/postfix/email-with-postfix-dovecot-and-mysql this one in specific ... I read all the background info what the settings do etc. But when I start postfix it outputs this fatal error :)
05:01<Yatekii>jm_: yep
05:02<Yatekii>no additional things
05:03<babilen>Well, you installed postfix on Debian and it was working. You then did $STUFF and it is no longer working so it should be evident that $STUFF is either incomplete, wrong or both.
05:03<babilen>We (or #postfix on freenode really) would have to know what you did exactly to be able to help you in this situation.
05:04<Yatekii>babilen: I just linked you the article on what I did ... I can paste you the postconf -n https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cebfd7f7cbe571186299 dunno what u want more :(
05:05<Yatekii>but I am willing to deliver of course :)
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05:08<babilen>Well, I'm not working through that entire article now nor do I think that this is a Debian issue
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05:10<Yatekii>I did not expect you to. I just wanted to know if this error seems familiar to anyone, because it doesnt say me much google doesnt know well as well
05:10<jm_>it suggests postfix is trying to create/open a file in unexisting location
05:10<rjsalts>Yatekii: chroot issues? man master?
05:11<jm_>using strace should reveal where
05:11<jm_>but yeah, if it's doing a chroot that may be it
05:12<Yatekii>I guess it doesnt do chroot
05:12<Yatekii>but lemme check
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05:12<rjsalts>iirc upstream doesn't chroot, but debian still does
05:12<Yatekii>nope, I didnt enable chroot
05:13<Yatekii>in the /etc/postfix/master.cf I didnt enable it :)
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05:14<Piggie>solved it just had to forget new packages
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05:45<MasterPiece>Who can tell me how can I merge automatically debian updates to mine patched packages? and build it again?
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05:52<floros_>Hello everyone, I have a question about the output of the lspce. I would like to ask you what this means : "Capabilities: [48] MSI: Enable- Count=1/8 Maskable+ 64bit+" , especially that Enable+ and the interrupt count 1/8. I am trying to enable 8 different interrupts on the firmware of this pcie card(fpga) and I cannot find anywhere if this mean that I have 8 enabled interrupts
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05:56<Miro>it means you are running 20 contracts and you have a nice and creepy position which endorses your benefits w/ tha basis
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05:57<Miro>the actual values for that contracts behalf your effort and banlances ur on
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05:59<Miro>(s)*
05:59<Miro>bzz... bzzz.....
06:00<Miro>stderr(1);
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06:01<jm_>MasterPiece: use the same VCS software as the debian maintainer(s) and appropriate foo-buildpackage tool?
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06:37<freddy>Hi I just installed Debian Linux with the automatic partitioning option but it gave my home dir only 30.5 GB. How can I extend it so I can use my remaining free space on my home dir?
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06:38<jm_>!parted
06:38<dpkg>GNU Parted is a partition editor, used for creation, destruction, resizing and copying, including the associated file system within. Supports Apple and sparc partition tables, can only shrink HFS/HFS+ filesystems. http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/ #parted on irc.freenode.net.
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06:39<venturi>!shadow
06:39<venturi>ok dpkg thanks ¬¬
06:41<freddy>jm_: I used the lvextend command and it extended my home dir but when I do a "df -h" it says its only 30.5 GB
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06:42<jm_>freddy: lvextend needs to be followed by fs resize command
06:44<jm_>probably fsadm command would work as a generic tool or use your fs tool directly
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06:47<freddy>will try
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09:40<FreenoodeStaffer>!ops
09:40<dpkg>Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
09:40<FreenoodeStaffer>dpkg: ops $waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
09:40<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: freenoodestaffer complains about: $waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
09:40-!-mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ
09:40-!-FreenoodeStaffer was kicked from #debian by abrotman [you should know better]
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10:41<vger_0>is this the appropriate channel for beginners to ask questions?
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10:42<ratcheer>vger_0: Sure, go ahead and ask
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10:44<vger_0>i've managed to get wheezy installed on my laptop, but when i went through the installation, it didn't find my wlan, so I only have the basic package from the image disk.
10:44<vger_0>and i don't know where to go from there.
10:46<ratcheer>vger_0: First, is your wireless detected in hardware? Is is PCI or USB?
10:46<vger_0>it's pci
10:47<ratcheer>Do you have access to the root account?
10:47<vger_0>yes
10:47<ratcheer>Ok, as root, run lspci -v. See if the wireless card is in the list and whether it has a driver loaded.
10:49<vger_0>i see the wireless card
10:49<vger_0>how do i know if the driver is loaded?
10:50<ratcheer>Near the bottom of the section for the card, there should be something like "Kernel module in use:"
10:50<vger_0>yes. r8169
10:50<ratcheer>That is an ethernet card.
10:51<vger_0>ooooh
10:51<jmatos>vger_0: How do you know it's a PCI card, and not an USB one?
10:51<jmatos>vger_0: internal cards can be USB, too.
10:52<vger_0>actually, i'm not sure.
10:53<vger_0>it says the ethernet controller is pci so i just assumed.
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11:00<enyc>jmatos, vger_0: specifically, the mini-PCI connector provides both USB2.0 pins/5v power and mini-PCI bus pairs on the same connector ... in my HP laptop only one card slot has USB data wired-up, and I have 're-purposed' this for a different internal USB device ...
11:01<enyc>vger_0: "lsusb" and "lspci" commands *both* worth knowing about =)
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12:45<ptheskil>JOIN bash:
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12:46<jmlongo>are you trying to join a specific room??
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12:47<jmlongo>you may want to try: /join #bash
12:47<jmlongo>if the room exists
12:47<ptheskil>thanks
12:47<jmlongo>no prob :)
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12:51<jmlongo>!tell jmlongo about KDE
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12:55<trico>does anyone know how to mount a samba share on windows created with these instructions? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/adding-a-user-to-a-samba-smb-share/
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12:56<trico>nvm, got it, need to use "\user" instead of "user"
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13:32<mmgc84>ping!!
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13:45<awal>Hi! Guys I wanna set different color for terminal when logged as root for avoid mistake. need help please. Dont want make mistakes. There is my /root/.bashrc file http://paste.debian.net/135100 What i dont really understand is the lines 4, 5, 6 and 7 . What I must do? Just uncomment the lines 6 and 7?
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14:06<awal>Hm, It seems that i'm editing the wrong file for what I wanna do ;)
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14:15<retrospectacus>awal: that file is OK, but there is nothing about colour there
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14:16<awal>retrospectacus, yes
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14:18<retrospectacus>for a red prompt put this: PS1='\[\e[1;31m\][\u@\h \W]\$\[\e[0m\] '
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14:20<awal>in the same file?
14:21<retrospectacus>yes
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14:22<awal>ok. thanks retrospectacus. maybe i'll do that later. have to document more first :)
14:24<retrospectacus>o....k
14:25<awal>:)
14:25<retrospectacus>here's mine: http://paste.debian.net/135113/
14:25<retrospectacus>it looks like this http://74.3.167.49/prompty.png
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14:26<awal>interesting
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15:19<nils>hi there, is there a way to have /usr/lib/xscreensaver/glmatrix -root as desktop wallpaper in gnome3.14? I cannot get it to show. All tutorials if found did not work, most were from 2012 and older.. xwinwrapper did not really work also .
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17:33<martingale>deluge question: I have a torrent with no more seeds and all the peers are stuck at 67%. If I can download the file directly, can tell deluge that I have the full file and start seeding for the people who are still waiting on the torrent?
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17:48<martingale>for anyone interested in the answer i figured it out. pause the torrent, copy the existing file on top of the partially downloaded file, "force recheck," then resume
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19:50<vger_0>hello. i would like to erase my hard drive and re-install. what's the best way to do that?
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19:52<Brigo>vger_0, make backups, then install. Installer will erase the disk for you.
19:53<vger_0>i've made backups. i can't get the installer to run.
19:54<Brigo>vger_0, what is the problem?
19:54<vger_0>i've played around with the boot menu and no matter what i do it still boots up
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19:54<vger_0>i didn't get a good install the first time. i'm doing everything from the command line, which i don't really know how to use yet.
19:55<Brigo>vger_0, did you install from netinstall installer?
19:55<vger_0>an image disc copied onto a usb
19:56<Brigo>are you using a wifi?
19:56<vger_0>i can't connect to wifi
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19:56<vger_0>i should be able to, but when i ran the installer the first time it didn't detect my wlan
19:57<Brigo>you need firmware, debian does not distribute firmware by default.
19:57<vger_0>are you sure it's firmware?
19:57<Brigo>you can get an image with firmware from http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/7.7.0/
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19:58<Brigo>vger_0, is the most common problem with wifis
19:58<vger_0>i'm using new gear; laptop, router, modem, ect.
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19:58<Brigo>most wifis needs firmware, if you tell me what wifi you have i can confirm it to you.
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20:00<retrospectacus>vger_0: the installer doesn't start, or the wifi doesn't work?
20:00<vger_0>Brigo: it's a Motorola/Arris Surfboard modem+router
20:00<vger_0>retrospectatus: both
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20:00<retrospectacus>the wifi device in your machine is the problem. Not your wireless router
20:00<Brigo>what is that?
20:01<retrospectacus>vger_0: exactly how did you write the installer ISO onto the USB stick?
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20:03<vger_0>i burned the dvd then copied it on to the usb because my laptop doesnt have an optical drive
20:03<vger_0>it worked
20:03<retrospectacus>you just said it doesn't work
20:04<vger_0>the installer worked, but didn't detect my wi-fi, so all i have is bare bones stuff.
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20:04<vger_0>i'd like to re-run the installer to see if it would pick up the wi-fi this time
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20:04<Brigo>vger_0, you will not can because the firmware.
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20:05<vger_0>Brigo: ok.
20:05<retrospectacus>vger_0: ok. You should get the firmware image brigo mentioned. Then write it to your usb using "cp" as described here https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03
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20:06<vger_0>ok. thanks. i'll get started on that.
20:06<retrospectacus>what oS is your other computer?
20:06<Brigo>vger_0, good luck :)
20:06<vger_0>i'm on a windows desktop right now.
20:07<retrospectacus>vger_0: write the firmware-installer ISO to usb using this software: http://sf.net/projects/win32diskimager
20:08<vger_0>retrospectacus: ok. thanks. and btw, is there a history of issues with debian/linux and dell hardware?
20:09<retrospectacus>well.. maybe. It is the individual components that have issues. Dell doesn't make that stuff
20:09<vger_0>ok.
20:10<Brigo>vger_0, ask google, may be someone write something in his own blog about a laptop like yours.
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20:12<vger_0>Brigo: I've tried installing debian on a new dell desktop and now a laptop, both unsuccessfully. I'm just trying to convice myself it isn't user error :)
20:13<Brigo>vger_0, if the problem was the wifi, then the problem was debian :)
20:13<vger_0>so far I've only used Debian on a vm
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20:14<retrospectacus>just be patient and don't be afraid to ask here. Eventually everything will work perfectly :D
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20:16<retrospectacus>I've installed on lots of Dells. They are pretty good. The wifi is often an issue but it can be overcome. Video driver will be next
20:18<retrospectacus>installing it on this unit was a real challenge http://74.3.167.49/wart.jpg
20:18<retrospectacus>but it works fine now
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20:19<vger_0>yeah, i'm pretty sure the video driver is why the install failed on my desktop.
20:20<vger_0>but my desktop ran the installer and it was able to detect the wi-fi.
20:20<vger_0>but the laptop didn't
20:21<real_>nn
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