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---Logopened Thu Dec 11 00:00:09 2014
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00:05<rajulocal>I have a question about smartmontools. When I run smartctl -i /dev/sda I get the following error
00:05<rajulocal>Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-version.c: 224: _dl_check_map_versions: Assertion `needed != ((void *)0)' failed!
00:05<rajulocal>I am running Jessie.
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00:06<rajulocal>I saw https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=728529 where it says the problem is fixed in binutils 2.24.90.20141201-1. This is currently only available in Sid. So I updated it to that version. But I still get the same error.
00:06<rajulocal>Can anyone help me?
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00:13<SamB_laptop>rajulocal: that presumably doesn't help unless you use it to rebuild ... something
00:13<rajulocal>does this mean smartmontools has to be rebuilt with the latest binutils?
00:15<kennylatruite>hey guys, i'm trying to get debian testing on a new machine but it hangs at "systemd-fsck" after the install. i was able to install fedora so i think the hardware is fine. how could i troubleshoot this?
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00:19<SamB_laptop>rajulocal: i'm guessing so...
00:19<rajulocal>ok. I will file a bug on smartmontools
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00:23<rajulocal>Actually, it looks like someone mentioned this in 728113
00:24<rajulocal>But since that bug is merged with 728507, I do not know what to do.
00:24<rajulocal>The issue might have been fixed from binutils perspective. But it is not fixed w.r.t smartmontools.
00:24<rajulocal>So the bugs have to be unmerged? I do not know how to do that.
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00:30<SamB_laptop>rajulocal: er, um, look up the control commands for debbugs?
00:30<kennylatruite>i can't even type the = in "systemd.fsck=skip" in grub's emacs editor :(
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00:33<SamB_laptop>kennylatruite: that's not a very good implementation ...
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00:37<kennylatruite>yeah and i can't even do unicode input with ctrl-x-8 because ctrl-x outputs x
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00:37<kennylatruite>had they put vim in there i could select, copy and paste anything
00:38<rryoumaa>grub has emacs?
00:38<kennylatruite>it says it's a minimal emacs setup
00:38<kennylatruite>don't know how recent that is
00:38<rryoumaa>that's great! but it sounds like it needs work.
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00:41<kennylatruite>i think i need a pro to set this up with me, is there a website where you can get linux support?
00:42<kennylatruite>having used os x for years this is harder than thought when using virtual machines
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00:44<SamB_laptop>.\,e\\\\
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00:44<kennylatruite>i've got to go, thanks for the help
00:44<SamB_laptop>I'd boot a live CD on the VM
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04:39<EmleyMoor>Is there a good way in a shell script to determine the reachability of an sshfs filesystem (automount working for it) so that I can set it or somewhere local as a "destination" directory automatically?
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04:43<EmleyMoor>Would a [ -d dir ] work OK in such a set of circumstances?
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04:47<weasel>EmleyMoor: might. try it?
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04:48<EmleyMoor>No - seems it fails to determine whether it's reachable.
04:50<EmleyMoor>Ah, it does work...
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04:52<follanegras>y
04:52<follanegras>.
04:53<follanegras>lllllllllllllllllllll
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04:56<EmleyMoor>That could save me some time most Wednesdays.
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07:16<zeev>Hi, I have 2 physical discs - sda and sdb. Is there a way to unite them into one "virtual" disc? Thank you.
07:16<ixi>zeev https://wiki.debian.org/LVM
07:17<zeev>thank you!
07:17<ixi>but keep in mind that if you do that, if one drive dies, you lose all data
07:17<ixi>(in general)
07:17<ixi>so keep backups.
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07:20<zeev>ixi: thank you,
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07:43<TheSnide>hi, I want to have hotplugging eth0/wlan0/usb0 working automatically
07:44<TheSnide>right now, when i'm changing connectivity i have to do a manual "ifdown previous0; ifup current0"
07:44<TheSnide>because sometimes the default route isn't setup correctly, or the dhcp-client doesn't try to get an IP.
07:45<TheSnide>... all on jessie, and with systemd. Note that i don't think systemd is at fault here <-- trying to avoid trolls :-)
07:45<ixi>TheSnide try using wicd
07:45<jm_>and #debian-next for jessie
07:46<TheSnide>ixi: ... is it a headless manager ?
07:46<ixi>probably not headless
07:47<TheSnide>jm_: ... my last sentence was going to be [ any "301" to another channel is OK ]
07:47<ixi>it might have several interfaces
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07:48<TheSnide>ixi: checking it right now, thx :)
07:49<TheSnide>ixi: hmm, it wants to install most of gnome :-(
07:50<ixi>TheSnide maybe wicd-curses will suit you
07:50<jm_>also tools like ifplugd or guessnet maybe
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07:51<TheSnide>jm_: i already installed ifplugd, but it seems i'm sturggling to configure it
07:52<jm_>TheSnide: I never used it myself, I just know it exists, all my use cases are static IP + ethernet :)
07:52<TheSnide>jm_: bah, same for my servers. But here it's my (very old) laptop :)
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08:05<Miro>may be an authorized forward
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08:16<hyperreal>Hi
08:16<Miro>hi
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08:17<TheSnide>ixi: thx, wicd-curses does suit me quite well :)
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08:38<sakax>package xul-ext-flashblock seems to be broken with latest iceweasel release v34
08:38<sakax>can someone confirm this?
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08:41<sakax>it still blocks flash but it doesnt show a button to enable the flash object if needed
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08:45<sakax>it's apparently fixed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=772635&archived=False&mbox=no
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08:45<sakax>how long does it take for a package to move from sid to wheezy?
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08:54<Shamar>hi, I'm installing wheezy on a usb stick to be used with qemu and an xserver installed on the host. The challenging question is: how can I install xclients (such as iceweasel and so on) without installing xserver-xorg (that I wont use, since X is already installed on the host)?
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08:55<dobegor>guys, i have halt when connecting modem to Debian 7.7
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08:56<dobegor>adding echo 0000:00:12.2 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ehci_hcd/unbind to my /etc/init.d/rc.local seems to fix the problem
08:56<dobegor>but that works if i connect modem only after the system boots
08:56<dobegor>and only to desired usb port
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09:03<dobegor>so what am i doing wrong?
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09:03<dobegor>the problem: upon connectin Pantech UMW190 console outputs that HC died, usb_submit_urb(ctrl irq) failed, and then it halts
09:03<dobegor>the problem: upon connectin Pantech UMW190 console outputs that HC died, usb_submit_urb(ctrl irq) failed, and then it halts
09:03<dobegor>sorry for posting it again, glitch with client
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09:04<dobegor>adding echo 0000:00:12.2 > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/ehci_hcd/unbind to my /etc/init.d/rc.local seems to fix the problem
09:04<dobegor>but only if i connect modem after the system boot
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09:40<TheSnide>ixi: and for the record, nm(cli) does _not_ work.
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10:14<ixi>TheSnide I was talking about wicd not nm cli
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10:14<ixi>I don't find nm particularly useful
10:14<ixi>in any of it's incarnations
10:15<ixi>although I'm probably just biased because of very bad experiences in the past
10:16<TheSnide>ixi: i know. some others suggested to try nmcli, cause i complained that wicd took about 35MiB :)
10:17<TheSnide>ixi: ... (i _know_ that 35MiB is small, but it seemed huge to be for a daemon that only listens to some networking events)
10:17<ixi>worth every byte
10:18<ixi>:)
10:18<TheSnide>ixi: ... and i guess that's just the "I'm still living in a era where you bought 8MiB DIMMs" :)
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10:20<TheSnide>ixi: ... if i had time, i'd probably write some scripts that wrap if(up|down) around the events
10:21<TheSnide>ixi: (but as i don't, and wicd works, i'm moving to something more useful)
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10:39<guardiandeutopia>hi
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11:04<Veronica21> High Quality photos and videos http://bit.do/sexxxvideohot
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11:10<jmlongo>are those photos about DEbian???? :)
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11:13<zathras>for a while a Debian fork called "lesbian" existed with the intend to support porn browsing to the max
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11:14<zathras>I did not botter to check "her" link, so that is probably unrelated
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11:15<zathras>*bother
11:15<jmlongo>really zathras??.. Didn't know about that fork :)
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11:16<jmlongo>and yeah ... probably totaly unrelated :)
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11:30<petn-randall>zathras: I recall it was called "Ubuntu".
11:30<zathras>lol
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11:30<jmlongo>LOL
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12:44<Castile>Hey, I was hoping the advice, if I was building stuff from source that was also available as packages from the repo, should I still use the same or different paths? for example using /etc/ for configs or would it be better to do /usr/local?
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12:45<petn-randall>Castile: If the package is meant to *replace* a package from Debian, you could use the same paths. Otherwise always use /usr/local/.
12:46<petn-randall>Castile: Or /etc/opt/, which is AFAIR the LSB folder for locally installed software.
12:46<babilen>Castile: I'd install to /usr/local (and manage that with <stow>), but it would probably make sense to keep configuration files in /etc/ -- that assumes that you do not also install the packaged version. Any particular reason why you are not using the packaged one?
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12:47<babilen>dpkg: tell Castile -about stow usage
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12:48<Castile>babilen: primarily because sometimes I need the latest for security reasons, I could add more sources, but I prefer to just keep it simple
12:48<babilen>What is the exact problem you are trying to fix here?
12:49<petn-randall>Castile: ???
12:49<Castile>no problem, just looking for general good practices to have
12:49<babilen>dpkg: security backports
12:49<dpkg>Debian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>. This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days. Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software. The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the changelog or the <tracker of doom>.
12:49<babilen>Castile: ^^
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12:49<Castile>not debian security updates, the package themselves
12:49<babilen>Please elaborate
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12:51<Castile>okay, so for example, there have been times where certain unpopular scripts on github get updated on github, but the package itself doesn't get updated
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12:51<Castile>because theres someone separately maintaining that
12:51<babilen>okay, sure
12:52<babilen>It's just that a multitude of fixes get backported into packages in stable (from later versions of the software) and you can also quite easily compile/backports packages from testing or unstable to stable.
12:52<Castile>I dont want to compile everything from source, but the stuff that isn't properly supported, I rather just build from source, I have scripts for that anyway
12:53<babilen>ack, take a look at stow. I really quite like it.
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12:53<Castile>sure
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13:17<yoahanus43>So... one user should not be able to list the content of another's home directory... right?
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13:18<Brigo>yoahanus43, no, i think he can by default.
13:19<yoahanus43>ah.. what do you know, you learn something every day :)
13:19<yoahanus43>thanks
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13:24<yoahanus43>if i didn't want that, i just need to #chmod 700 /home/lala; right?
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13:28<Mr-S>why would you want to do that ?
13:28<yoahanus43>yes is the answer to that!
13:28<yoahanus43>i don't want guest to be able to list anything in my home
13:28<yoahanus43>or for that matter www-data or anyone else.
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13:29<Mr-S>the default is that only the owner of the home dir can list, see and work there. All other are denied by default
13:29<yoahanus43>ok... then something on my system was very bad
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13:31<Mr-S>I suggest chown -R lala:lala /home/lala . That should do the trick
13:32<yoahanus43>that's already this way
13:33<yoahanus43>but permissions was read/execute for group and other
13:33<Mr-S>and for www-data, in case you are running a webserver makse sure it is not pointing to this special folder
13:33<yoahanus43>i'm on jessie... but this could easily have been my fault
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13:35<Mr-S>All I can tell is that others do not have access by default. But sometimes even I do make that mistake in the terminal ;)
13:35<yoahanus43>i'm running a local websever for development, but what do you mean by this "not pointing to this special folder"?
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13:37<Mr-S>in apache there is the option to server from root and also to serve from the www-data folder in user homes. In my case I have it pointed to htdocs in my home folder.Makes development a lot easier. but this folder can be exposed by locahost/username
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13:43<yoahanus43>you mean ~/www-data can be exposed to user, or ~ to www-data?
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13:45<Mr-S>depends on the setup. If it does not work in your browser. than even that folder cannot be seen ;)
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13:45<yoahanus43>your home directory should only be exposed to the webserver when things go very wrong...
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13:47<Mr-S>No. This is a protected folder. No one can see outside of that folder. And siince I only allow the webserver to listen to localhost and not to the network. All is fine here with me
13:48<yoahanus43>ok cool.
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13:49<Mr-S>that is the fun of linux. everyone can have its own way ;)
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13:52<yoahanus43>endless fun for all the family
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13:58<yoahanus43>anyway... thanks for the help.
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14:40<sakax>how much time does it take for a package to move from unstable to stable if all is ok
14:40<sakax>?
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14:42<retrospectacus>sakax: that does not happen, ever.
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14:43<sakax>?
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14:43<sakax>when a package is updated it first is available in unstable, right?
14:43<sakax>then it moves to stable too, not?
14:43<retrospectacus>yes; no
14:44<sakax>xul-ext-flashblock as example
14:44<sakax>there is a bug in wheezy package
14:44<retrospectacus>it moves from unstable to testing. Then when testing is "released", it is now in "stable" (the new stable)
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14:44<sakax>it's now fixed in unstable
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14:45<retrospectacus>it will never be fixed in wheezy. wheezy-backports, perhaps. wheezy-security perhaps
14:45<sakax>hmm, ok, understood
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15:51<jaccob>chromium keeps freezing my system lately
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16:05<kaminary>Hello, I run Debian 8 Jessie, I've bought a external HD but cant make it work, anyone can give an advice? What can I try?
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16:06<jaccob>Kaminary
16:06<jaccob>kaminary, gnome/kde automount these days
16:06<jaccob>even xfce automounts
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16:06<mtn>kaminary: is it usb? how did you try to "make it work"? what happened when you tried?
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16:07<retrospectacus>kaminary: 1) go to #debian-next, the Jessie channel 2) prepare info on http://paste.debian.net with your output of "dmesg|tail" and fdisk -l etc.
16:07<kaminary>Uhh, forget the question, The USB port I tryed is with problem
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16:07<kaminary>thanks anyway
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16:08<jaccob>sorry for repeat if you already read this: chromium is freezing gnome on Debian stable. Must be some new html5 thing.
16:09<retrospectacus>too much pr0n
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16:09<jaccob>ex, clicking the indicators on carousel on getbootstrap.com#javascript page
16:09<jaccob>retrospectacus, maybe, I definitely do
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16:10<jaccob>to be honest, if not for porn, who needs computers
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16:12<retrospectacus>:D
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17:19<Finetundra>what's a gui program to add user accounts?
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17:21<Finetundra>what's a gui program to add user accounts?
17:22<dondelelcaro>Finetundra: I don't know of one, but adduser is pretty trivial to use from the command line
17:22<awal>Finetundra, witch DE are you using?
17:22<Finetundra>lxde
17:23<awal>because gnome & kde manage that in system settings
17:24<mkol_ssn>say i want to try out a program that could potentially break my debian 7 wheezy distro, what's the best way to back up the entire system and restore it if i completely ruin my distro?
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17:25<Finetundra>awal, this is an older machine with a poor graphics card , thus i use lxde
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17:27<awal>Finetundra, I just know about 'kuser' but it depends in a heavy kde libs maybe
17:28<awal>try with apt-cache/aptitude search and you may find something interesant
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17:29<awal>with 'adduser' utility you will be fine
17:30<awal>for your old machine it's the best choice
17:30<mkol_ssn>anyone use mondo rescue for backups?
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17:31<mkol_ssn>i'm wondering how i would completely restore my system from an external media device in the event of complete failure to the state it was prior
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17:35<uso>mkol_ssn: e.g. with a rescue disc or a USB stick
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17:36<uso>but to backup a filesystem image you either need file system support for snapshots or have to shut down your system into rescue mode
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17:48<planet>hello all, i'm having a weird issue with my mouse where the pointer has disappeared after a dist-upgrade from wheezy to jessie
17:48<planet>has anyone else experienced this sort of issue?
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17:53<mkol_ssn>uso : would that allow me to boot into a backup image of my os with the exact same files and settings prior to failure?
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17:56<planet>mkol_ssn: what type of system are you backing up? is this a server, desktop, VM?
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17:57<uso>mkol_ssn: yes, you can save an exact copy of your disk to an external drive
17:57<uso>the disadvantage of this kind of backups is that they are large and may take a long time, there may be better alternatives
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18:09<Shamar>just a rapid pool: anybody use x2go here? looks great, but I had never heard of
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19:23<vook>I think x2go is based on NX - I use nx quite a bit
19:23<vook>oh, that's old
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22:02<twb>I was about to set up a software watchdog (softdog.ko) for my x86 kiosk farm.
22:02<twb>But it occurred to me: maybe they have watchdog hardware and I just don't know it.
22:03<twb>Will the kernel automatically load watchdog drivers for hardware it finds, like it does for SATA controllers and suchlike? I suppose so.
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22:03<twb>If so, I would already have a /dev/watchdogN created by udev. Since I don't, I must not have any watchdog hardware.
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22:10<uso>twb: it at least does that for me, not sure though if auto-detection works for all hardware watchdogs
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22:10<twb>thanks
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22:10<twb>Hm, I have *some* kiosks with hardware watchdogs
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22:10<twb>That'll probably actually make life harder because I'll have to make sure nowayout=1 on all of them
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