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03:25<wick>just had to reboot with the recovery kernel because this laptop would shut down just as x windows started (I believe..)
03:26<wick>*recovery mode grub entry* that is
03:26<wick>rebooted again without and it seems okay - maybe it's just me?
03:27<wick>no, ignore me - battery is at 10%! was the power manager going into hibernate
03:27<wick>good day to you all!
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04:31<Grobbs>hi.
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05:07<frisbee>Hi
05:07<frisbee>Is Debian jessie ext4 max size more then 16TB or still like Wheezy?
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05:08<weasel>isn't it always 16t for 4k blocks?
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05:08<frisbee>Not shure.. Sry to be a noob
05:08<weasel>(erm, that's filesize. or do you mean FS size?)
05:08<frisbee>Yes
05:09<weasel>http://e2fsprogs.sourceforge.net/e2fsprogs-release.html#1.42
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05:09<frisbee>I have 5 + 4TB drives and had to set up with ZFS. But want to run EXT4 like my other servers7
05:09<weasel>they all should work with ext4.
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05:11<frisbee>All i know is that RedHat is upgrading at last version to handel 50TB and I hoped Debian did the same
05:12<frisbee>I only feel at "home" in Debian
05:12<weasel>the way I read it this should work in stable already.
05:12<frisbee>I did not for 2 months ago when I inst it
05:12<peter1138>Also... single filesystesm across 5 drives? Do you hate your data?
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05:13*weasel would use XFS for that
05:13<frisbee>It is my backup server for 3 other servers. And then it gos to tape
05:13<frisbee>I love my data ;-)
05:13<weasel>frisbee: interesting. can you re-try with the jessie beta (or daily) installer?
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05:14<frisbee>I can, but will lose alld ata and have to run big tape restore. So wanted to ask before I tryed
05:14<peter1138>I'd still use some form of RAID on a staging backup server.
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05:14<frisbee>Ii is RAID 5
05:14<peter1138>Huh, installing the OS won't wipe your data.
05:15<frisbee>My OS is on 1 500 GB disk. This is the data at RAID 5
05:15<peter1138>Oh, but fiddling with the FS will, duh.
05:16<frisbee>That is no problem, but the data is with ZFS now. It is not stable and I want to go back to EXT4 when EXT4 supported more then 16TB
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05:17<weasel>root@lw01:/storage/snapshot-farm-1# dd if=/dev/zero of=test seek=100000000 bs=1M count=1
05:17<weasel>root@lw01:/storage/snapshot-farm-1# ls -lh test
05:17<weasel>-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 96T Dec 12 10:17 test
05:17<frisbee>I will do the test. Thx for your help
05:17<weasel>root@lw01:/storage/snapshot-farm-1# mkfs.ext4 ./test
05:18<weasel>root@lw01:/storage/snapshot-farm-1# mkdir t
05:18<weasel>root@lw01:/storage/snapshot-farm-1# mount -o loop ./test t
05:18<weasel>root@lw01:/storage/snapshot-farm-1/t# df -h .
05:18<weasel>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
05:18<weasel>/dev/loop0 95T 129M 91T 1% /storage/snapshot-farm-1/t
05:18<weasel>seems to work just fine.
05:18<weasel>and this is stable.
05:18<frisbee>Cool!!!
05:18<frisbee>Thx so mutch!
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05:18<frisbee>Helped me a lot
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05:19<sleser>hi guys sorry to disrterb peace. is there something in the flash video player world new ? that im way bhind ?
05:19<sleser>for some reason not all websites flash videos i watch works
05:19<sleser>some show picture some dosnt
05:20<sleser>amd i missing any thing ?
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05:21<grobbs>hi, echo $TERM is always showing up as 'xterm' when I ssh into the computer with PuTTY. How can I change the term to something else?
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05:22<wompa>sleser, tried in two different browsers? Adobe stopped developing the Linux version like a year or two ago. You might need to have javascript enabled for some weird domain. Maybe try https://wiki.debian.org/PepperFlashPlayer
05:22<Dink>Hello all.
05:23<sleser>how long did this happen that you known of ? i resently just had this problem hapen now
05:23<wompa>sleser, also I assume you already installed flashplugin-nonfree ?
05:23<sleser>i had a pepper
05:23<sleser>not to long ago
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05:24<sleser>not sure how l ong maby 2 munths or not more or less
05:24<Heet>Alguém br aki
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05:24<SynrGy>grobbs: what problem does that cause?
05:24<grobbs>SynrGy: I am trying to run a curses program that doesn't work properly with xterm
05:24<Heet>Algum br aqui.
05:25<sleser>can youe please try see if this works for you . and see whats is the problem exactly . site dead or old pluging . : http://indiankino.net/news/i_v_pechali_i_v_radosti/2014-07-05-383
05:25<sleser>a little confuses me on sis im not . deep in to computers ti ditermin the root of problem
05:26<sleser>site worked just b4 i finished watching one movie next i wateed wo watch was a gray screen
05:26<SynrGy>grobbs: works for me. which curses program?
05:26<sleser>but another site . but this one . shows video.....
05:27<grobbs>SynrGy: dwarf fortress
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05:27<sleser>this site works video . not sure if this flash or what .. but shows .. http://indijskie.ru/films-smotret-online/tayushhie-oblaka.html
05:27<grobbs>I've done this before but I can't remember how to switch :/
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05:28<SynrGy>grobbs: Connection>Data>Terminal-type string
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05:28<SynrGy>grobbs: it's not entirely obvious, is it? :P
05:28<SynrGy>grobbs: and the FAQ is no help. it just vaguely says it "can be configured"
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05:29<SynrGy>grobbs: if you care enough you might ask upstream to drop a hint into the FAQ at: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/faq.html#faq-term
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05:29<grobbs>SynrGy: and that option isn't available once you've connected, unlike most of the other terminal settings >_<
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05:29<SynrGy>grobbs: naturally. you need to reconfigure it before connecting
05:29<grobbs>SynrGy: I think I'll do that... this is the second time I spent an hour searching everywhere
05:30<SynrGy>if you want to change this after connecting:
05:30<SynrGy>export TERM=vt220
05:30<SynrGy>or some such
05:30<SynrGy>maybe you need to 'tset' after this
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05:30<grobbs>SynrGy: Yeah, that makes sense but I wish there were a greyed out menu entry or something so that it was more obvious
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05:32<SynrGy>humm. well, technically you *could* change it, and then save to a new profile (doesn't affect current session, but affects next one)
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05:33<grobbs>in theory
05:33<SynrGy>grobbs: if it's *just* for dwarf fortress, you might write a little wrapper script and drop it in ~/bin/
05:33<SynrGy>get it to change TERM when it launches dwarf fortress
05:34<SynrGy>sonds like a bug in dwarf fortress, if you ask me
05:34<SynrGy>sounds*
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05:35<wompa>sleser, the video at http://indiankino.net/news/i_v_pechali_i_v_radosti/2014-07-05-383 works for me in Chromium, but I'm using testing so it's a slightly newer version of Chromium and I don't even have flash installed
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05:36<grobbs>SynrGy: well, it seems to have changed but the display isn't working. Not sure what the problem is but I had it working, before
05:36<grobbs>*changed the term
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05:37<grobbs>I'm sure there was some command I put in at the shell
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05:39<SynrGy>the ones i just said?
05:40<SynrGy>just 'export TERM=vt220' (or vt100, or whatever)
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05:41<SynrGy>if you need to talk to the terminal to tell it to reinitialize using the new TERM type, you just issue 'tset' after that
05:41<grobbs>that doesn't do anything, that I can see
05:41<SynrGy>but that may not be necessary
05:42<grobbs>mm
05:42<grobbs>okay
05:42<peter1138>"This plugin is vulnerable and should be updated." Thanks flash...
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05:54<ghost__>helo
05:55<ghost__>helo
06:00<grobbs>ah the issue was a setting in PuTTY, that was accidentally changed in development
06:02<grobbs>(known issue with v0.63)
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06:10<SynrGy>grobbs: ah, fun. affecting debian putty?
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06:11<SynrGy>,v putty
06:11<judd>Package: putty on i386 -- squeeze: 0.60+2010-02-20-1+squeeze2; squeeze-security: 0.60+2010-02-20-1+squeeze2; wheezy: 0.62-9+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 0.62-9+deb7u1; jessie: 0.63-8; sid: 0.63-8
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06:11<SynrGy>that would be jessie/sid only
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06:13<Gamer1204>Hi, I tried to run netflix, but I get this error code: M7063-1913 on chrome Version 40.0.2214.38 beta (64-bit), I was told on multiple sites etc that netflix would work natively. Does anyone have a solution?
06:13<SynrGy>grobbs: if it does affect the version in debian (i don't know if you're using that, or the windows version) then it would be nice to get a bug filed (if there isn't one already)
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06:14<grobbs>SynrGy: at least the Windows PuTTY.. it's a simple setting that they've already changed back in the snapshots. Window->Colours->Indicate bolded = the Colour
06:14<SynrGy>ah. hmm.
06:14<SynrGy>could you try it with the debian version?
06:14<grobbs>wheezy is 0.62 which doesn't have the issue
06:14<SynrGy>yeah, but jessie could release with the bug if it's in 0.63
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06:15<SynrGy>oh, you're on wheezy ...
06:15<grobbs>er.. well, I have Wheezy :P
06:15<grobbs>yeah
06:15<SynrGy>i have a sid system here. steps to reproduce the issue?
06:15<T0rch>im in sid here as well ...
06:15<grobbs>look at the default settings and see if Window->Colours->Indicate bolded = the Font
06:16<SynrGy>k. sec.
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06:17<grobbs>sure
06:17<SynrGy>It's "Indicate bolded by changing: The colour"
06:18<grobbs>then that's been updated
06:18<grobbs>so, no worries
06:18<grobbs>^_^
06:18<SynrGy>yay :)
06:18<SynrGy>thanks
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06:18<grobbs>you bet
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06:18<SynrGy>now, i might've changed my defaults, so ...
06:19<SynrGy>mv ~/.putty ~/.putty-save
06:19<SynrGy>and try again ... sec :)
06:19<grobbs>it was nice of the PuTTY team to respond and let me know
06:19<grobbs>cool
06:19<SynrGy>it's "the font" by default :p
06:19<grobbs>>_<
06:19<peter1138>Wow, people use PuTTY on non-Windows...
06:20<grobbs>that must be the stable build
06:20<SynrGy>bug time. what problem does this cause, so i can describe it in the bug report? upstream bug# reference?
06:20<SynrGy>yeah, it is
06:20<SynrGy>peter1138: for maximal compatibility with:
06:20<SynrGy>- connect to OpenVMS systems
06:20<SynrGy>- use the same software as my Windows-using colleagues
06:20<grobbs>it causes text to be 'invisible' (e.g. black text on black background)
06:21<SynrGy>xterm has a high degree of compatibility with OpenVMS too, but a) is a bitch to configure b) ugly as sin
06:21<SynrGy>c) none of my colleagues use it
06:21<SynrGy>grobbs: ouch
06:22<SynrGy>grobbs: example? top? htop?
06:22<grobbs>SynrGy: yes, it's annoying..
06:23<SynrGy>hrm. not seeing an issue yet
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06:24<SynrGy>nor in aptitude ...
06:24<SynrGy>do i need a wonky color scheme for this to manifest?
06:24<grobbs>mm I'm trying to see what they are doing in the DF output
06:25*SynrGy hits BTS to see if this is reported already, first
06:25<SynrGy>newp
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06:27<grobbs>Official reply: This sounds like a known problem in PuTTY 0.63, where a setting's value was inadvertently changed. Try changing "Window->Colours->Indicate bolded text by changing" to "The colour", or upgrading to a current development snapshot.
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06:30<SynrGy>grobbs: ok, so you don't have an upstream bug# or gitref or so?
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06:31<SynrGy>grobbs: in the absence of a reproducible test case, i don't have enough to file a bug :/
06:31<SynrGy>is the application running in reverse field or so?
06:31<peter1138>Hmm, putty's a bit slow with anti-aliased fonts.
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06:32<SynrGy>peter1138: if you're curious about this problem and want to file the bug, i'm kinda out of time to pursue this to its conclusion
06:32<SynrGy>or maybe i'll remember later today once work is done
06:32<grobbs>can I send you a small text file?
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06:32<SynrGy>grobbs: absolutely. use synrg@debian.org please
06:33<grobbs>try cat'ing this in a PuTTY session and it should re-create the screen. When you highlight the text, you can see the 'hidden' parts
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06:37<SynrGy>k
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06:39<grobbs>it's been sent, so you should have it by now
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06:40<SynrGy>grobbs: yep. that reproduces it. well, i can't actually see the hidden parts by selecting
06:41<SynrGy>grobbs: i can only see the hidden parts by catting the file in a sane terminal (urxvt)
06:41<SynrGy>this is enough to file my bug. thanks
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06:41<SynrGy>though a patch would make it even better :)
06:42<grobbs>ah, hehe. Okay... well, yeah, I could only see 'blocks' but I knew text was there
06:42<grobbs>mm the dev. snapshots should have it changed back.
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06:46<SynrGy>"putty: Bolded text disappears due to accidentally changed default"
06:46<SynrGy>^^ fair characterization?
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06:48<grobbs>yes
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06:50<SynrGy>grobbs: that response you quoted above is from Simon Tatham himself?
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06:53<grobbs>ah, I think I found it
06:53<grobbs>no, it's from a different developer on the team
06:53<SynrGy>ok. i'll just say "from upstream"
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06:54<SynrGy>i want to give you acknowledgement in the bug. i can do this by: "user grobbs on #debian @ irc.oftc.net", or else by your name/email address which I have now, or just by name ... or not at all. preference?
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06:55<SynrGy>i mean, i could CC you in the bug, too
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06:56<grobbs>sure, you can put "David G." and include my e-mail for CC
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06:58<grobbs>I think I found the change in the source code
07:00<SynrGy>k. got a commit reference?
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07:04<Katerine21> Free Porn for Life!. Click Here!
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07:05<grobbs>mm I am trying to find the commit
07:05<grobbs>this is the change:
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07:05<grobbs>settings.c: i = gppi_raw(sesskey, "BoldAsColour", 0); conf_set_int(conf, CONF_bold_style, i+1);
07:05<grobbs>fixed:
07:05<grobbs>settings.c: i = gppi_raw(sesskey, "BoldAsColour", 1); conf_set_int(conf, CONF_bold_style, i+1);
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07:08<grobbs>http://tartarus.org/~simon-git/gitweb/?p=putty.git;a=commit;h=c0b6e0b9626baecab20ba6946dc26a75f187e2cf
07:08<grobbs>there is the commit
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07:08<SynrGy>yay. thanks
07:08<grobbs>and hey, the change matches my own.. yay+
07:08<grobbs>;)
07:08<grobbs>thanks for writing up a report for this
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07:10<SynrGy>no problem.
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07:12<grobbs>okay, if you've got it all then I'm off. Have fun :)
07:13<SynrGy>yep. later
07:13<grobbs>later
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08:06<samkod>I'm in a real situation here. Yesterday I was copying over some files to my external drive, and I think I may have pulled it out too soon (not 100% sure). When I went to plug it back in (to pull the files off of it) it did nothing, just sat there. So I powered off my computer, took it out of the enclosure, hooked it up via sata and again nothing. At bios it just hangs for a really long time..I have a few recovery programs that can see
08:06<samkod> the actual physical drive when its connected but it shows up as 0 bytes. The drive had 2 partitions 1 with all my critical data was an xfs, the other (where the previous files were copied to when this all went down) was a fat32. The XFS was not mounted at all when I was copying files to the fat32
08:06<Fund>Hi i got a small problem with openvpn. Its starts run from console but not over service. I get no errors but the tun doesn't get created
08:07<samkod>can anyone point me in the right direction, I'm thinking that all of my files are totally gone, I have no way of accessing them or mounting the partitions, I can't even view the partitions on the physical drive
08:07<jm_>samkod: first check if kernel detects it and if you can read from /dev/sdX directly
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08:09<samkod>how would I do that?
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08:09<jm_>which one?
08:10<samkod>seeing if the kernel detects the drive & reads from /dev/sdX
08:10<jm_>and if bios doesn't sees it it's probably dead, just make sure your cables and PSU are OK
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08:11<jm_>dmesg and check where it's dealing with ata|sd, cat /dev/sdb > /dev/null for example (find the device name via /proc/partitions)
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08:19<samkod>would I have to reboot with it plugged in for the kernel to detect it?
08:19<samkod>its usb 3.0
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08:21<jm_>no, you should see usb messages first in dmesg output
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08:29<samkod>forgive me for not knowing exactly what to dmesg but what do I do with that?
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08:29<samkod>I'm looking for /dev/sdc I believe
08:30<jm_>sorry I have to run now, no doubt someone else can help
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08:31<PEB>samkod: plug the drive out
08:31<PEB>plug it in, and run "dmesg|tail"
08:31<PEB>and paste the output in http://zero.crans.org
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08:34<samkod>https://zero.crans.org/?8307a68068c257b6#hIo87MWm5JnqUDaYWnx+rAj83zSmSkfb8XxFszoNBcc=
08:35<PEB>[ 4037.387969] Buffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block 1953525144
08:35<PEB>bad :/
08:36<samkod>how bad??
08:36<PEB>can you run a "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdc" please ?
08:36<PEB>same, output on zero.crans.org :o)
08:36<PEB>for now I can't tell
08:36<samkod>running it now
08:36<samkod>its just hanging
08:36<PEB>wait a bit
08:37<samkod>ok
08:38<PEB>still nothing?
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08:41<samkod>nothing
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08:52<peter1138>Hmm, can gdm3 work with just vnc?
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08:59<peter1138>Or... any other dm, I suppose.
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09:09<_Sayf>peter1138: ask on Freenode #debian :) It's active now ;)
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09:23<ro>hi'
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09:24<ro>hi mr
09:24<ro>any indian is here
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---Logopened Fri Dec 12 10:18:37 2014
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12:16<andril>i am back
12:16<andril>fresh 7.7 install
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12:18*mitrom is using Debian 10.0-RELEASE
12:18<retrospectacus>dpkg: congratulate andril
12:18<dpkg>Hugs & Puppies andril, you did it!
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12:18<andril>:)
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12:19<andril>now how do i get non-free
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12:20<petn-randall>!tell andril about non-free
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12:23<andril>Opera and HexChat,
12:23<retrospectacus>andril: the robot dpkg is very useful. Just say "opera" and/or "hexchat" to it in a private message
12:24<retrospectacus>anything in its responses in <these brackets> is another factoid you may ask it about
12:25<andril>dpkg: opera
12:25<dpkg>Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. As of version 8.5, Opera is freeware but NOT open source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com.
12:25<retrospectacus>if you have further problems or confusion feel free to ask here
12:25<retrospectacus>andril: in a private message
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12:25<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell andril about msgthebot
12:26<andril>wow
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13:35<ladoga>is it possible to disable i8042 kernel driver? My system has no PS/2 ports.
13:36<ladoga>dmesg shows: [ 0.562191] i8042: PNP: No PS/2 controller found. Probing ports directly.
13:36<ladoga>[ 1.593142] i8042: No controller found
13:37<SynrGy>ew
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13:37<ladoga>so it takes one second probing (1/5th of boot time)
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13:37<ladoga>for no use
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13:37<ladoga>so i'd like to disable it alltogether
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13:40<SynrGy>https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
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13:41<SynrGy>ladoga: there are a bunch of i8042.no* options
13:41<SynrGy>maybe nomux and nopnp?
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13:45<ladoga>SynrGy: yes, there are many (10) but none seemed to fit the description. I'll try those two and report back
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13:50<ladoga>SynrGy: after adding those two it now says [ 0.565740] i8042: PNP detection disabled
13:50<ladoga>[ 1.596856] i8042: No controller found
13:50<ladoga>so it still seems to be looking for one
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13:52<ladoga>brb. have to run to shop to grab some beers. anyway thanks for help...maybe i'll figure it out eventually
13:52<SynrGy>ladoga: you can try the other options as well
13:52<SynrGy>noaux, etc
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13:52<SynrGy>i would try:
13:53<SynrGy>i8042.noaux i8042.nokbd i8042.nomux i8042.nopnp
13:53<SynrGy>noloop and notimeout don't seem to be relevant
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13:57<SynrGy>though maybe i8042.noaux i8042.nokbd i8042.nomux is enough
13:57<SynrGy>the discription of nopnp is "Don't use ACPIPnP / PnPBIOS to discover KBD/AUX controllers"
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13:57<SynrGy>if you're not checking for kbd or aux, it stands to reason you don't need this option
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14:04<ladoga>yes. i also thought maybe I could disable usb legacy mode from bios
14:04<ladoga>but i try those first
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14:08<ladoga>noaux, nokbd, nomux didn't help. dmesg reports same as first one (probing ports, no controller found)
14:09<ladoga>i'll try with disabling usb legacy mode from bios
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14:12<ladoga>no effect
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14:14<ladoga>SynrGy: maybe only option is to compile the kernel without ps/2 driver
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14:19<lsbit>I need help to setup wireless
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14:21<MrFrood>!tell lsbit about wifi
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14:45<lsbit>MrFrood
14:45<lsbit>I'm listening
14:45<lsbit>I need complete help
14:45<lsbit>step by step
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14:46<mitrom>!tell mitrom about Miro
14:46<MrFrood>lsbit: have you worked through with the bot?
14:46<lsbit>no
14:47<lsbit>what bot?
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14:47<MrFrood>I suggest that you do that then pop back with specific questions about the bits you did not grasp
14:48<MrFrood>lsbit: dpkg - you should have a message from it
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14:51<MrFrood>!tell mitrom about selftell
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14:55<jaggzd>hi
14:55<jaggzd>I just installed to an SSD.. boot is the first 100mb, then the rest is root. I have 32gigs and did not create swapspace
14:55<jaggzd>the system won't boot.. brand new system, new uefi bios
14:56<abrotman>jaggzd: weren't you just asking on Freenode?
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14:56<jaggzd>install went through, configured package manager, installed grub (it said it did anyway), and said I can reboot now
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14:56<jaggzd>abrotman, yeah.. wasn't sure about the past hour of slowdown there.. figured maybe I wasn't talking in the proper channel and remembered debian's on oftc
14:56<peter1138>you need a fat partition for uefi to boot from
14:57<jaggzd>my boot partition should be fat??
14:57<towo`>no
14:57<mitrom>abrotman, no
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14:57<towo`>the efi partition has to be fat
14:57<abrotman>mitrom: Please do
14:57<mitrom>what
14:57<jaggzd>I don't get it.. so what's the layout supposed to be?
14:58<peter1138>efi fat partition, marked as for efi in the installer
14:58<jaggzd>loading up browser (running live image right now)
14:58<peter1138>the rest... as you wish i guess
14:58<jaggzd>how big should that partition be?
14:59<abrotman>mitrom: crossed lines, but yes he did
14:59<peter1138>/dev/sda1 121M 132K 120M 1% /boot/efi
14:59<peter1138>Yeah, tiny
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15:00<jaggzd>now I need to relocate partitions on an ssd.. yuck..
15:00<peter1138>there's a specific option in the installer to use it as efi
15:00<peter1138>heh
15:00<peter1138>yeah, i did that the first time, totally didn't know about the efi partition
15:00<jaggzd>this is difficult for me since I've read pages that say "NEVER write a new os to a drive with existing data on it.. do a secure erase first."
15:00<peter1138>did a reinstall though, it was easier
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15:00<peter1138>jaggzd, sounds like rubbish
15:01<awal>MrFrood, which command you run for update your flash?
15:02<peter1138>as long as it's trimmed...
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15:02<peter1138>jaggzd, why don't you move whatever's in your separate /boot to /
15:03<peter1138>jaggzd, then turn you /boot into fat and mount it at /boot/efi
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15:05<jaggzd>is the efi thing the same as boot nowadays?
15:06<jaggzd>or is efi, boot, and root required?
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15:08<jaggzd>"The partition must be big enough to hold the boot loader and any kernels or RAMdisks you may wish to boot."
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15:08<peter1138>i've not used a separate /boot for years
15:08<jaggzd>I mean.. maybe I can just convert boot to efi, and .. that's it?
15:09<peter1138>and no, the efi partition isn't the same as /boot
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15:17<MrFrood>awal: see https://wiki.debian.org/Flash
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15:20<jaggzd>peter1138, I don't have an efi option in my "Use as" list
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15:21<jaggzd>I have a "reserved bios boot area".. did they rename it maybe?
15:21<jaggzd>I'm in the graphical installer
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15:23<petn-randall>jaggzd: Do you have GPT or an MSDOS partition table?
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15:47<awal>MrFrood, sorry! Wrong nick. I confused your nick with another user in debian-next having problems updating it's flash ;)
15:47<awal>his flash ^
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16:12<MrFrood>awal: np
16:13<pinguy>test
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16:15<jaggti>ugh.. I can't get the EFI option in the install process
16:16<jaggti>I'm stuck with an ext4 boot partition and ext4 root
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16:16<devil>boot partition for efi needs to be fat, no?
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16:20<jaggti>yeah.. but everything says there's an option in the "Use as:" list specifically for EFI
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16:21<devil>no idea, never installed debian proper
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16:23<jaggti>what have you gone with?
16:23<devil>we release a derivative of debian sid
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16:26<jaggti>I'm getting bothered by debian.. which sucks..
16:26<jaggti>used it for many years
16:27<jaggti>(it sucks to get bothered by it)..
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16:29<jaggti>there's another option in Use as: called "Reserved BIOS boot area"
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16:32<maxy>jaggti: You should be able to disable the EFI from the bios configuration if that's giving you headaches
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16:32<jaggti>I turned it to Legacy only or whatever.. then my usb stick didn't show up at all
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16:32<jaggti>or maybe I got that backwards.. yeah
16:32<jaggti>I set it to legacy only, and it still didn't work (with my ext4 boot partition)
16:33<jaggti>so I set it to uefi only, and it still didn't work, AND my usb stick didn't work, so I put it to both, again
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16:33<jaggti>perhaps the usb install of debian requires legacy?
16:33<jaggti>I did have a problem with the usb not being recognized once, so it might be unrelated to that option
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16:35<jaggti>I think it's debian that's giving me trouble, maxy..
16:36<jaggti>it's its installer that's not offering the EFI option
16:36<jaggti>I believe that would imply that it doesn't recognize the UEFI .. or doesn't require it and is coded badly
16:36<maxy>jaggti: Which installer are you using?
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16:36<jaggti>gnome live
16:36<petern_>http://i.imgur.com/ARaEzeo.png < that is the correct option.
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16:37<jaggti>yeah, I have no such option
16:37<mtn>jaggti: maybe because you are in legacy mode?
16:37<maxy>jaggti: where did you get the installer from? (link please)
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16:39<jaggti>I'm in legacy + uefi mode
16:40<jaggti>maxy, ? the installer is debian's installer from the live kde distribution
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16:40<jaggti>link?
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16:42<petern_>kde or gnome? heh
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16:45<jaggti>i'm sorry.. gnome
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16:46<Andy>Sorry, in terms of stability, I've noticed Gnome3 to be a bit problematic
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16:46<Andy>Is that something known in Wheezy 7.7 ?
16:47<jaggti>I'll boot kde's and try it.. I guess..
16:47<jaggti>thanks andy
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16:47<Andy>Thanks for... what?
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16:47<Andy>I wasn't offering advice, I was asking a question.
16:47<jaggti>the idea that maybe .. no that doesn't make sense
16:48<jaggti>the debian-installer-launcher and whatnot probably is the same binary
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16:48<petern_>jaggti, personally I always use the netinst image, not some live installer.
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16:49<jaggti>k.. will try that then
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17:08<maxy>Oh, it seems to hide the uefi option if the bios doesn't support it.
17:09<mtn>bingo!
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17:32<maxy>whois mtn
17:32<mtn>iismtn
17:32<maxy>sorry, are you jaggti?
17:33<mtn>nope, I am mtn
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18:07<Andy>Is it okay if I question what exactly is the stability of debian consisting of?
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18:11<Celelibi>How long before the flash update come into sid?
18:11<amphi>!tell Andy about stable
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18:13<Andy>amphi: I am on the stable wheezy.
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18:16<Celelibi>I have a quite old installation and can't remove a package because I get some errors.
18:16<retrospectacus>Andy: the robot sent you a privte message about stability
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18:17<retrospectacus>dpkg: tell Celelibi about basic apt troubleshooting
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18:19<Celelibi>It's not about apt, it's about dpkg.
18:19<Andy>But, I'm not sure it answers my question
18:19<Celelibi>More specifically, a command in a prerm script that is invalid and make the script fail.
18:19<Andy>I've met... at least 5 or 6 reproduceable bugs in Debian over the past few days
18:20<retrospectacus>Celelibi: the instructions given are still very relevant
18:20<Andy>well, not Debian, to be specific - gnome bugs.
18:20<retrospectacus>Andy: as the robot said, "stable" is about being static, not not having bugs. What is your question?
18:21<Andy>retrospectacus: In that case, it does answer my question.
18:23<retrospectacus>then huzzahs are in order :)
18:23<Marillion>Andy: if you like more gnome2 like, then install mate they has a lot of bug fixes
18:23<Andy>It's not about what I like.
18:24<Andy>And this isn't me complaining about Debian or the job the devs do.
18:24<Andy>I'm just... surprised.
18:24<Marillion>ic
18:24<Celelibi>Here is the error: http://paste.debian.net/136281/ I don't think the apt policy is anything relevant here.
18:25<Celelibi>Here it is anyway: http://paste.debian.net/136282/
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18:27<retrospectacus>Celelibi:
18:27<retrospectacus>http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/146367/how-can-i-remove-a-bunch-of-ancient-packages-on-debian
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18:28<retrospectacus>sez to comment out that line and run update-info-dir later
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19:29<ompaul>Maulkin: you about?
19:30*ompaul wary eyes Maulkin and asks again :)
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20:16<Jen7>hi everyone i am having problem install virtual box i am using new ver of debian
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20:36<Freeuser_97>I need help with debian install, is this the right place to ask?
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20:39<ratcheer>Freeuser_97: Just ask
20:40<Freeuser_97>the install crashes at the network setup part of the install, right where it asks for the ip
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20:41<ratcheer>Freeuser_97: What was done just before that?
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20:44<Freeuser_97>my computer booted up to the dvd-r I burned the iso on, I selected the install option and it started to do its thing automatically but when it got to the network setup part the screen started flashing red and blue
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20:44<ratcheer>That's going to be hard to troubleshoot
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20:47<Freeuser_97>is it possible that i downloaded the wrong .iso for my processor architecture?
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20:49<Freeuser_97>I am going to go ahead and try again
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21:18<marcelfox>good night everyone
21:19<marcelfox>how about the end of the year huh?
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23:39<samtsga>Hey :)
23:41<sney>hi
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