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#debian IRC Logs for 2014-12-14

---Logopened Sun Dec 14 00:00:40 2014
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00:45<sleser>is there a mavis game for debian , mavis is game i rememer i used it in highschool to learn to type fast without looking on screen. its game. not sure whitch platform school use to youse
00:46<sleser>i need one for debian for a new user to learn how to type .
00:46<sleser>without looking on keboard even
00:47<catern>gnu typist
00:47<catern>apt-get install gtypist
00:48<sleser>its a game rite ?
00:48<catern>i dunno
00:48<catern>maybe
00:48<catern>it's a typing tutor
00:48<sleser>no this user needs to get out of cave and to new teknology at least learning how to type
00:48<sleser>i used mavis for not sure what platform school used.
00:48<sleser>that teach me a good lesson to type
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00:53<sleser>if anyone used mavis to learn how to type on debian and wher i can download one that is good help
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01:05<topcyde>try klavaro it's in the debian repo
01:06<topcyde>or tuxtype, but its more for kids
01:09<sleser>thats good
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01:09<sleser>for him its enough thanks man
01:09<sleser>thats very good to begin wi th
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01:41<lain>as
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02:09<desrt>hi. is it possible to instruct apt to make a choice for me about which package to install from among a list of possibilities, in the same way that it might make the decision if it found such a '|' in a Depends: line?
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02:11<desrt>for example, if i want the libjpeg headers, i don't really care if i install libjpeg8-dev or libjpeg-turbo8-dev... i'd probably rather just have apt decide for me (presumably on the basis of which non--dev version of the package the user already has)
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02:38<desrt>time to sleep, but if anyone wants to write an answer while i'm gone, i'd be very happy to read it in the morning :)
02:38<desrt>ciao
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09:49<T0rch>Hello, i'm having a hard time to install fglrx-driver on sid ... any tips and hints?
09:50<T0rch>this is the error X Error of failed request: BadRequest (invalid request code or no such operation)
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10:31<Gnomino>Hello, I upgraded to debian testing from debian wheezy on my VPS, and somehow ipv6 got broken
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10:37<ompaul>Gnomino: not cool asking in two channels
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10:48<dario`>T0rch: when does that error show? before/after/while installing fglrx-driver? are you installing the one from the debian repos or your own one? we need more information!
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11:01<haziz>Any idea if Jessie will be released before February, I know the official line is "when ready" but any guesses? For whatever those guesses are worth!
11:01<mtn>haziz: some people, not many, guess yes, most guess no.
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11:13<petn-randall>haziz: Before Christmas.
11:13<petn-randall>haziz: We're just not sure which one.
11:13<ompaul>all guesses are wrong until there is no wrong guess and we wait on version 8
11:14<ompaul>haziz: check the topic, when it changes most likely there will be useful information in it
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12:23<infinity0>ever since a few weeks ago my normal user needs "authorization" to mount usb devices, how can i bypass this?
12:23<infinity0>like, is it missing membership of a group or something?
12:23<infinity0>i believe the same thing is also making "adb" as non-root fail
12:23<infinity0>as well as mtpfs to fail :/
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12:34<mitrom>infinity0, some group probably
12:35<mitrom>mark@hoover ~ » groups
12:35<mitrom>mark adm cdrom sudo dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare docker
12:35<mitrom>Works for me
12:35<mitrom>plugdev <
12:35<infinity0>i have that :/
12:35<mitrom>hmm
12:35<infinity0>maybe i'll try adm, though it should be unnecessary
12:36<infinity0>are you using systemd?
12:36<infinity0>cos i am >:[
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12:46<juicer>youtube says I have an insecure version of flash installed. using iceweasel. debian stable and flashplugin-nonfree. Is there a security vulnerability in this version or is youtube confused?
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12:47<TobiX>juicer: The flashplugin from non-free does not autoupdate AFAICS, try "sudo update-flashplugin-nonfree --install"
12:48<juicer>or actually it says "iceweasel has prevented an outdated plugin "adobe flash" from running on youtube.com"
12:48<juicer>TobiX: Oh interesting. will try
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12:52<juicer>TobiX: Yeah that seems to have done it. Thanks. Why would flashplugin-nonfree not get updated with normal apt-get upgrade like the other packages? o_O
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12:55<TobiX>juicer: Because that would open up the discussion again on how to get updates into stable... I think there was a good amount of discussion around that already and the current solution was deemed "good enough"...
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12:56<TobiX>juicer: See https://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer for more info...
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12:58<juicer>Thank you TobiX
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13:22<Andy>I have a small issue, I've added the sid repository, only so that I can download and install one package and some of it's dependencies.
13:22<Andy>But trying to install it forces me to upgrade a lot of other packages, is there any way around it?
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13:26<valdyn>!ssb
13:26<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
13:26<valdyn>Andy: ^^
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13:28<Andy>valdyn: thanks
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14:38<Ardeshir>:)
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14:42<Rastus_Vernon>Hello. I am puzzled: I have configured apt-listchanges to display changes (both news and changelogs) in the terminal, using a pager, whenever I upgrade packages, and to also send root mail about it. However, when I use apt upgrade or apt-get upgrade, apt-listchanges doesn't display anything and no mail is sent.
14:42<Rastus_Vernon>Using the text frontend instead changes nothing, and changing manually the configuration file or using dpkg-reconfigure changes nothing either.
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14:44<Rastus_Vernon>This is the configuration file: http://hastebin.com/sefikawedi.ini
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14:48<Ardeshir>Hello :)
14:50<Ardeshir>cheghadr yobsand inhaa!
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14:56<Finetundra>what is a good alternative to synaptic?
14:56<towo`>apt
14:56<Rastus_Vernon>aptitude?
14:57<Finetundra>with a gui
14:57<Rastus_Vernon>aptitude has a GUI
14:57<Rastus_Vernon>it's just a GUI in the command line
14:57<sney>I thought there was an available gtk frontend for it as well
14:57<Rastus_Vernon>aptitude-gtk?
14:58<Rastus_Vernon>Yes, there is, but… https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=aptitude-gtk
14:58<Rastus_Vernon>It's only in oldstable.
14:58<Finetundra>anything else?
14:59<Finetundra>-*.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
14:59<Finetundra>oops
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15:00<Finetundra>no clue what happened there
15:00<juicer>blame it on the cat ;)
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15:07<Finetundra>also, is there any way to have multiple instances of iceweasel running?
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15:08<Rastus_Vernon>Yes.
15:08<Finetundra>how
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15:09<Rastus_Vernon>-no−remote, I think?
15:10<Finetundra>from command line?
15:10<Rastus_Vernon>I think, yes.
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15:11<Rastus_Vernon>But it may be better to do this with two different profiles.
15:11<Rastus_Vernon>You can create another profile with the profile manager, using -p, I think.
15:12<Finetundra>well, it just let me open it with the root command line. i guess that'll do
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15:14<Rastus_Vernon>Running Iceweasel as root isn't very wise, though.
15:14<Rastus_Vernon>-no-remote should work.
15:15<Rastus_Vernon>Ok, it is actually -P, not -p.
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15:16<Finetundra>alright, that'll do.
15:16<Rastus_Vernon>You can first start Iceweasel normally. Then, you can use iceweasel -P -no-remote; this will open the profile manager and allow you to create a new profile, and you can then use Iceweasel. The next time you want to run another instance of it, just use iceweasel -no-remote -P the_name_of_the_profile_you_created.
15:18<Finetundra>ok
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15:22<Preid>help!
15:22<Preid>i
15:22<Preid>I need help urgently: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=119442
15:22<devil_>!ask
15:22<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:27<devil_>Preid: the problem is not neccessarily associated to locales. there is bugreports (for ubuntu) and others on the net, that have nothing to do with locales
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15:27<devil_>like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/krb5/+bug/1231459
15:28<devil_>found by googling your error message
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15:29<valdyn>Preid: you can restart ssh while being logged in, did you do that yet ?
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16:04<ceibal>hola !!!!!
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16:11<santexnik>guys after installing loging themes where do the install files go the kde isnt functioning here. it wont show me a theme whitch i instaled
16:13<devil_>santexnik: try #debian-kde
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16:14<devil_>I use kde for over 10 years and never touched a theme :)
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18:38<gordon24>Has anyone had their keyboard work through boot up but something is lagging it so bad you have to push buttons repeatedly till it shows up.. Its been doing this the last few boot ups. it works fine once I can ever get my password in. I'll get to the log in screen and it does this.
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18:38<santexnik>where is the debian boot text log located ?
18:38<gordon24>idk
18:39<santexnik>i think i saw some error there its too fast to read
18:39<starlord>whould I run applications while I do a dist-upgrade from stable to unestable?
18:39<gordon24>No when I get to my login screen to get to the desktop, I either have to push the button repeatedly or Hold it down till a character shows, and I'm watching closely so I dont' add to many.
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19:33<bcnjr>If debian is running entirely within a chroot environment, (so the system has already been initialized), is it safe to remove the "init" packages?
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19:50<LeLutin>I just got an issue with latest redmine package upgrade where it undid some permission changes that were necessary to run it as the "redmine" user instead of "www-data". I've done a couple of dpkg-statoverride commands to ensure that doesn't happen again, but I wonder how to tell dpkg not to remove certain directories (the /usr/share/redmine/tmp directory was removed by the upgrade)
19:52<bcnjr>LeLutin: Try `touch <dir>/.placeholder`
19:53<bcnjr>I'm pretty sure dpkg doesn't remove directories with files in them.tt
19:53<LeLutin>bcnjr: ah. I'm pretty sure there was a subdir in there but maybe there were no files at the time of the upgrade. I'll try doing that
19:55<LeLutin>thanks. I'll see if it works during the next upgrade
19:55<bcnjr>You're welcome!
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20:28<keep>Oe
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20:29<twb>Is there an easy way to tell the kernel "use nowayout=1 for ALL watchdog drivers you load"
20:30<abrotman>disable watchdog completely?
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20:32<twb>no no, the opposite
20:32<twb>So you have a watchdog userland thing that pets the dog every ten seconds, right?
20:32<twb>But if that process closes the fd, the watchdog normally turns off
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20:33<twb>nowayout=1 means that even if the fd is closed, the watchdog can still get angry and reboot the server
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20:35<twb>The Documentation/ tree suggested, in a 2007-dated doc, that I can pass wdt.nowayout=1 on the command line -- I'm testing that now.
20:36<twb>Otherwise plan B is to write a modprobe.conf rule for *every* *single* *watchdog* and hope they don't add more without me noticing.
20:36<twb>And plan C is to do some kind of horrible udev
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20:56<hillhopper>flashplugin-nonfree generated a warning to update in iceweasel.
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20:58<hillhopper>I downloaded the tarball from Adobe for my platform and no warning. Maybe the current debian version is outdated.
21:00<abrotman>there's a script in the package to update it for ytou
21:01<hillhopper>thanks. I did, but Aptitude reinstalled the distribution version... I forgot to reset Aptitude.
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21:02<hillhopper>how do I get a version of a package?
21:04<Nemoder>i use apt-cache policy <packagename>
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21:04<hillhopper>ok thanks.
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21:11<hillhopper>I just tried it. it's ok now. Thanks all.
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21:14<desrt>hi. asked yesterday, but i'll try again today: is it possible to instruct apt to make a choice for me about which package to install from among a list of possibilities, in the same way that it might make the decision if it found such a '|' in a Depends: line?
21:14<desrt>and another question as well: is it possible to find out which debian package corresponds to a particular xml entity path?
21:15<abrotman>yes, install that package along with the originally requested package
21:15<desrt>for example, i tell the tool "http://docbook.sourceforge.net/release/xsl/current/" and it tells me "docbook-xsl"
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21:15<desrt>abrotman: how do you mean?
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21:16<abrotman>if packageA depends on "packageB | packageC" just install packageA and packageC together
21:16<desrt>but there is no packageA depending on packageB | packageC
21:17<desrt>i want to install just 'packageB | packageC' for myself
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21:17<desrt>and have apt pick one
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21:17<abrotman>Why don't you just pick one?
21:17<desrt>because i don't have an opinion on the topic
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21:17<abrotman>then why install it at all?
21:17<desrt>a simplified version of what i'm doing:
21:18<desrt>i'm writing a tool that looks up files in apt-file to find out which package provides them, then installs that package
21:18<desrt>but there are many cases that a file is provided by more than one package
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21:18<desrt>and, in fact, i'm typically looking up ~100-500 packages at the same time, so there are typically many cases where i run into multiple providers of the same file
21:19<desrt>in my test data set, the cross product of all of the possibilities ends up being 192 different combinations
21:19<desrt>i'd rather not have to pick one myself...
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21:21<desrt>(for now i wrote a script that goes through each combination and asks apt to simulate a dry-run, checking how many packages would be removed/installed, then finds the on that's "least disruptive" and selects that... but with 500 packages involved in each of 192 runs, that takes 5-10 minutes to sort through....
21:21<desrt>)
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21:46<twb>huh, that's interesting. When you don't use nowayout and your watchdog userland closes the fd, you get a printk "watchdog watchdog0: watchdog did not stop!"
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21:52<buka>alguém aí?
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21:56<twb>OK I finally tested wdt.nowayout=1 and it doesn't work :-/
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22:15<ladoga>how can i resume from suspend using usb keyboard (any key)
22:16<twb>you need to tell /proc to wake on stuff from the USB bus
22:17<ladoga>currently if I run "echo mem > /sys/power/state" it goes to sleep, but only wakes up via power button, not with USB keyboard.
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22:18<twb>just a sec
22:19<ladoga>i've looked at /proc/acpi/wakeup
22:19<ladoga>PWRB S3*enabled platform:PNP0C0C:00
22:19<ladoga>is there which explain why power button works
22:19<ladoga>for resume
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22:20<ladoga>there is plenty of other entries but nothing containing USB
22:20<ladoga>i'll put it to pastebin
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22:23<twb>ladoga: yeah that was it, sorry -- I got distracted
22:24<twb>The usb one will be caleld something like XHCI EHCI UHCI OHCI
22:24<ladoga>http://pastebin.com/cg2iK8FL
22:24<twb>those are different USB 3/2/1 buses
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22:24<ladoga>but EHC1 and EHC2 are enabled
22:24<twb>EHC2 isn't
22:25<twb>You probably want to look at /sys for those pci addresses and see if they correspond to your USB bus
22:25<ladoga>ops sorry
22:26<twb>http://sprunge.us/SSMW is mine
22:26<twb>Note that "echo foo >/proc/acpi/wakeups" toggles it, not sets it
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22:30<ladoga>ok seems like they are under XHC
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22:38<twb>That makes sense
22:38<twb>IIRC XHCI is usb3; ehci is one of the usb2's
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22:44<twb>abrotman: he's on Freenode as well if you have whack-a-mole powers there
22:46<ladoga>twb: i think here's all the relevant stuff http://pastebin.com/8YT9fCjL
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22:47<ladoga>funny thing is the computer wakes up if i unplug the keyboard usb connector
22:48<ladoga>but not when pressing any key
22:51<twb>ladoga: sorry, this is beyond my level of skill with ACPI
22:51<ladoga>does it mean that i have to map some button to send acpi event
22:51<ladoga>ok, nevermind
22:51<ladoga>i just remeber that one used to be able to resume just with any keuboard input
22:52<ladoga>*remember
22:52<twb>I think it depends on hardware
22:53<ladoga>my laptop seems to be the same only wakes up via sleep button
22:53<ladoga>not with external keyboard
22:54<twb>yeah I understand the problem, I just don't know how to help :-(
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22:54<ladoga>so i still think it might be some configuration
22:54<ladoga>np :)
22:54<twb>FWIW many (most?) laptop keyboards are connected on an internal PS/2 header
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22:56<ladoga>yes. But this intel nuc I have only has USB
22:57<ladoga>which gives me error, i8042: PNP: No PS/2 controller found. Probing ports directly.
22:57<ladoga> i8042: No controller found
22:57<ladoga>on every boot :)
22:58<ladoga>tho it works fine, just a cosmetic problem i think
22:58<twb>odd
22:58<ladoga>i looked into it and only way to disable i8042 driver is to compile a kernel without it
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22:59<twb>I do that for my prisoner kiosks :-)
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22:59<twb>If it's compiled as a .ko you can blacklist it on the boot prompt
23:00<ladoga>yes but it's builtin in default debian kernels
23:00<twb>k
23:00<ladoga>maybe they should have it as module instead
23:00<twb>Yeah CONFIG_SERIO_I8042=y in /boot/config*
23:00<ladoga>i guess less and less systems today have ps2
23:01<twb>It's =y because it's low level, to unbrick your system, and the cost is minimal
23:01<twb>It's also the serial controller
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23:03<ladoga>i wonder why uplugging keyboard wakes this :)
23:03<twb>because that counts as an event on the XHCI bus I guess
23:04<twb>Maybe you could find the keyboard in /sys/ and change it from power/control=auto to power/control=yes? I doubt that'd help tho
23:04<ladoga>i should make on/off switch to keyboard cable:)
23:04<twb>just get a long stick to push power button :P
23:04<twb>or a child
23:06<ladoga>but supporting child would blow administration costs through the roof
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23:09<ladoga>i think i'll modify my keyboard firmware to have sleep button and see if it sends an acpi event
23:09<ladoga>it has open firmware so it's doable
23:10<ladoga>i just have to map the key
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23:18<santexnik>guys how do i chek if im using the rite videocard driver on laptop
23:19<twb>santexnik: you get the right one by default, unless your definition of "right" includes proprietary drivers :-)
23:20<twb>santexnik: I would run "lspci -nn" and look for the VGA line, and look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what driver was used
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23:22<twb>santexnik: example http://sprunge.us/cfRA
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23:26<santexnik>what am i looking for in the log ?
23:28<santexnik>http://paste.debian.net/136604/
23:28<twb>OK so you have an intel GPU
23:28<twb>That should be impossible to screw up
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23:31<santexnik>is it using the rite driver ?
23:32<twb>It should be using the *correct* driver. I cannot tell without reading your Xorg.0.log. I do not know what "rite" is.
23:33<santexnik>its right
23:33<santexnik>http://paste.debian.net/136605/
23:34<twb>santexnik: OK, yes, it is using the correct driver ("intel") for your card (Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0166] (rev 09)).
23:34<santexnik>where do i find a log of , the debian booting
23:35<santexnik>i think i seen another problem there
23:35<twb>which log do you mean?
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23:35<santexnik>like when debian boots . the writings
23:35<twb>The lines like "[ ok ] starting foo: bar." ?
23:35<mkol_ssn>debian sound doesn't work, what's the command to reset the sound daemon?
23:36<twb>mkol_ssn: are you running pulseaudio? I don't know much about that... I think it might be started automatically by dbus?
23:36<santexnik>the booting proses is too quik to read . i thin i seen a firmware problem on something like a nic ..... wasnt fast to read the rest
23:36<twb>santexnik: I think you want the bootlogd package
23:36<santexnik>yeh that
23:36<mkol_ssn>twb : alsa mixer
23:36<twb>mkol_ssn: OK /etc/init.d/alsa-<something> restart
23:36<twb>alsa-utils
23:36<twb>But I think that mostly just resets the mixer levels
23:37<twb>mkol_ssn: what are your symptoms?
23:37<mkol_ssn>no sound at all
23:37<mkol_ssn>laptop speaks or headphones plugged in
23:37<twb>mkol_ssn: OK so as you already hinted, step #1 is to go into alsamixer and set all the channels to unmuted and 80%
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23:38<twb>mkol_ssn: also check /proc/asound/cards -- if it says card 0 is "HDMI" then you need to trick is
23:38<twb>*it
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23:40<mkol_ssn>twb : what do you mean trick it?
23:40<mkol_ssn>also i restarted alsa but there's no sound
23:41<mkol_ssn>it successfully shutdown and set back up
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23:44<mkol_ssn>twb : hmm nvm it works now...
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23:45<mkol_ssn>twb : it seems that it was the alsa-mixer's mute and my physical mute button were not in sync
23:45<santexnik>do i need to enable the bootlog daemon after install ?
23:48<twb>santexnik: it's enabled automatically by default
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23:49<santexnik>i rebooted where do i find the log
23:49<twb>mkol_ssn: trick it ==> http://sprunge.us/eZYh
23:49<twb>santexnik: /var/log/boot IIRC
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23:52<santexnik>there nothing like a boot iirc
23:53<santexnik>there is boot boot 0 and bootstrap.log
23:55<twb>I dunno, sorry, you'll have to read the docs
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